Archery - Technique Practice - Side view

[xcalico1]

Hey i'm new to archery. I've been shooting for about a month and i'm testing different ways to aim.. Do you look down the arrow to aim? is that your wat of shooting?

[ArcheryGuy]

@xcalico1 When I draw back to anchor, the arrow naturally comes up slightly under my eye. Then, it's easy to look down the shaft and set the arrow point in the gold. I also try to keep the point just slightly to the left of the string. The string will be blurry, but it gives me a good reference point that allows me to repeat the same shot over and over. Good luck with your shooting!

[llllXeallll]

hey i'm new to bow shooting.

can anybody tell me if thumb release is a bad habit? (where you hold the arrow with your thumb and finger instead of the string)

my friend goes bow hunting and that's how he shoots but i never see any skilled shooters shooting that way. i don't want to learn that way if later i'll have to re-teach myself the "correct" way. any answers would be appreciated

[ninsgveen]

@llllXeallll Learn to shoot recurve first with 3 fingers. If you get the form under control, then try the thumb release. I think the thumb release will only take your attiontion away from what matters more: the posture. (I assume you're talking about recurve...)

[llllXeallll]

@ninsgveen actually i haven't chosen yet, but i'm probably going to get recurve. but i've come too the decision too learn the traditional way

[ninsgveen]

@llllXeallll Traditional is fine, as long as you mind your posture. When I said recurve I meant either recurve barebow, or recurve with a sight. You can start with a regular barebow and use 3 fingers, then when you got your form, go onto the thumbring :) Good Luck and happy archery

[llllXeallll]

@ninsgveen =D  thanks, i forgot there's civil people on youtube lol

[PogoFogo]

It looks like a samick ultra

[ArcheryGuy]

@PogoFogo I agree,The Samick Ultra and the Winstar II do look somewhat similar but the bow in this vid is a KAP Winstar II

[5tonyvvvv]

@ArcheryGuy u using plastic fletchings?

[ArcheryGuy]

@5tonyvvvv IIRC the fletchings in this vid were Bohning miniblazers that I was testing at the time. I didn't like them so I switched. I'm currently using K-vanes (aka Super Flonite)

[5tonyvvvv]

@ArcheryGuy why not just say plastic or feathers????...archery has become way to complicated..i still use my tradtional howard hill bamboo bows and elm longbows..i know the new stuff is the way to go its the future..and your elbow is not too high dont listen to people ..if thats whats comfortable for u,. shoot that way..everyone in archery has an opinion.u go into an archery store today,and there assholes,they just want to buy anything,and its all compounds..people should learn old ways too.

[5tonyvvvv]

@ArcheryGuy but good vid..and tell people to go to hell..shoot how u want!!

[5tonyvvvv]

@ArcheryGuy every time i shoot plastic vanes ..i get that nasty arrow kick.to the left..and when i buy those modern carbon fiber arrows...the damn arrow nock is always to tight for the string.i gunna just atrat making my own arrows.by hand.with viburnum,, wild rose.and just buy turkey feathers..and nock them myself.with a knife.if u have to push the arrow down on the string i think its too tight...all compound guys think u need to have the arrow down tight...its just suppose to pop on snug

[atlasz01]

You keep your elbow too high...

[ArcheryGuy]

@atlasz01 You're right. This vid was done 3 years ago after less than a year of shooting. Take a look at my "Practice on the Range" vid that was done last year for an updated look at my technique

[Evyldyn]

@ArcheryGuy

Can I ask why you're holding the string like that?

I always have one finger above the arrow, and two underneath,

Even though I mostly get lazy and use 2 fingers, one above, and one underneath.

[ArcheryGuy]

@Evyldyn It's called stringwalking. Allows me to shoot at different distances simply by moving my fingers up and down the string. Quite handy for us barebow archers. Google "stringwalking" and you'll find a lot of info on it.

[Evyldyn]

@ArcheryGuy

Ah, thank you,

[5tonyvvvv]

@atlasz01 u keep your nipples too high

[loosemakertube]

Hi

I am a beginner and wondering which bow I should buy ! pls advise. my budget is not too high though. thanks

[ArcheryGuy]

@loosemakertube I can highly recommend the Winstar II by KAP. It's a good intermediate bow that is good for a beginner that you can still use as you get better. It has a pretty good price-performance ratio. That's the bow I'm using in this video

[Puppydog487]

The first arrow sounded like it hit the ground, not whatever you were aiming at, lol.

[ArcheryGuy]

@Puppydog487 Sorry to disappoint you but the arrow actually did hit the target.

[Fathergryndl]

THIS WORKS - I TRIED RIGHT AFTER i WATCHED! i SMOKED 4-5 BULLSEYES; 25 YDS!!!!!!!!!!

[ArcheryGuy]

@Fathergryndl How about posting a vid? I'm always interested to see other archers shoot and study their techniques.

[Fathergryndl]

Interesting technique - i'll try it

[Pugio]

whats your reason for the three fingers under release? ive recently noticed many people shooting with three fingers under the nock and i've never really questioned it before.

[ArcheryGuy]

This is quite normal for barebow archers. By placing the fingers under the nock, it's possible to have the fingers higher or lower on the string to compensate for different distances (called stringwalking). Olympic style archers always place the fingers split around the arrow (one over and two under).

[elpjotre2009]

Thanks for your Videos. Inspired from your shooting i joined a local archery club. I own the same bow and its pretty good to shoot it. We do field archery and they learnd me the stringwalking technique the same way you showed. Have nice time and all in the Gold like we say here :)

[BlackFoxTrot]

pounds, if your a beginner you probaly would want something low, the best thing is go to a store and ask about it, if they have no anwsers go to the internet, if they have no anwsers then go to a archery store that has a archery expert. enjoy

[ratiMCflati]

ok 

thx

[ratiMCflati]

I am 15 years old and I want a Bow. I nothing know about bows can you help me with lbs ... pls?

[ArcheryGuy]

The best suggestion I can give you is to contact a local archery club and talk to them. They will be more than willing to help you and can get you started properly. You can get help choosing the right bow for you as well as learning proper archery techniques. I'm not too familiar with clubs in Luxembourg but you can find some if you do a Google search on "Luxembourg Archery Federation"

[Dingleberry66]

@ratiMCflati start with a 25# tel

[helloshawn100]

@ratiMCflati Well i have a 26 pound pull recurve bow, and i got it when i was 15. So it would be a good begginer pull poundage.

[fusionstar916]

what spin would you recommend for 30lb at full draw

[ArcheryGuy]

What do you mean by spin?

[fusionstar916]

@ArcheryGuy sorry, i ment spine.

[ArcheryGuy]

Oh right, spine... I recommend checking out the Easton Archery site. There's an arrow selection page that will help you choose the right spine for the arrow type you want. You will need to know the draw weight and desired arrow length for the selection chart to work properly.

[hitshitthefan]

wouldn't where your knocking affect the flight or power if your aiming with the arrow like you are?

[ArcheryGuy]

Yes, that's part of tuning the bow. You have to find the optimum knocking point based on tiller, arrow type, where you hold the string,etc. Can be kinda tricky to tune when you walk the string for different distances.

[you78mas]

how fast the arrows fly?

[ArcheryGuy]

Haven't measured the speed recently. Did check it once with a chronometer and had 160 ft/sec, but that was with the limbs shown here and with X7 arrows

[huntingismylife100]

yea i do that to i put one above and one below

[curtiskid101]

I just got my recurve about a week ago and its amazing i dont use an armguard =D

[MrCheckercedi]

you arrent allowed to came from the top to the botom

you can discualificed by EM/WM or other Competitions

[ArcheryGuy]

Thanks for the comment, you bring up a good point. Actually, you are allowed to start above the target and come down as I did. FITA rules state that when *drawing back the string* the archer can't use a technique that will allow the arrow to fly past the safety zone if accidently released. As I wasn't drawing back the string here until I was in line with the target, my guess is that it would probably be allowed, and if not, a warning would be issued. This is all in the opinion of the judges

[41stHazmatTroop]

not that I insult or offend, im just fucking starting, why do u grab the string below the arrow? my teacehr taught me to place 2 fingers below the arrow and one above

[ArcheryGuy]

1 above and 2 below is common for olympic style archers. Most barebow archers that I know of hold the string below the arrow. It makes it easier to "walk" the string up and down for different distances

[CrazyDeidara]

You are shooting with sigth ( i guess) than its right. If you shot bare bow then you do like this guy.

Please dont swear in archery vid :)

[traceur946]

i use a finger sling and it annoys me bcuse they are all far far 2 loose and its so annoying and the club dont sell wrist slings :(

[ArcheryGuy]

Most finger slings I've seen have small rings on them to adjust them tighter to your fingers. If your club doesn't have/sell other types, then you might want to look around for some online archery shops. I'm not sure if there are any in Ireland but i know there are a number in England

[traceur946]

are u useing a finger sling or a wrist i cant c from the video

[ArcheryGuy]

I'm using a wrist sling

[nostatQuo13]

are you usiing a release?

[ArcheryGuy]

nope, only fingers

[goofysurfer03]

Hey, When you buy a recurve do they usually come with a bow stringer?

[ArcheryGuy]

If you buy just the bow then I would say you won't get one, but if you buy a whole kit including arrows, case, tab, etc. then you may get lucky.

[Lostfaith1980]

I did. I bought a kit which included a stringer. But it was listed in the contents of teh kit. So I would look for that when your checking out kits.

[akeloteirko]

no protection you must have becouse bow can cut or break your hand

[akeloteirko]

you don't have protection for your left arm so you are teacher for shit

[ArcheryGuy]

You need to look closer. I do have an arm guard on.

[shadows666love]

your arm guard is too small.

[03Ranger4x2]

Haha, you need to use your eyeballs.

[03Ranger4x2]

plus that wouldn't matter. Some people don't need them.

[clutchcyle]

seems like you're aiming down the shaft of the arrow instead of planting your hand under your chin.

[ArcheryGuy]

Actually I'm doing both. My thumb is anchored under my jawbone which puts the shaft almost directly under my eye. I look down the shaft of the arrow and put the point in the gold. After that I just relax my fingers and the arrow flies off and lands in the 10 (well it does happen occasionally, I promise!)

[clutchcyle]

ahhhh okay you are right. you are anchoring. i was just thrown off by the low grip on the string. very interesting. thanks! also the person who taught me to shoot said upon release to squeeze your shoulder blade back while releasing, do you think that is better than just relaxing your fingers?

[ArcheryGuy]

You should do both. Keeping tension in your back will prevent the arrow from creeping forward before the shot (which causes problems). Proper tension in the muscles between the shoulder blades will cause your draw arm to automatically be drawn back when you release. Relaxing your fingers is just a good way to cleanly release the shot, otherwise there is a chance that the release can be a bit stiff and the string will move slightly more to the left because of the finger movement.

[clutchcyle]

so if my arrows aren't landing flush at times (like over-oscillating?), i'm probably too tense with the fingers?

[ArcheryGuy]

PM sent

[shadows666love]

one thing i think would help your shots have better grouping; when you release your string keep your arm locked in-place tell your arrow hits the target, because moving your bow in the least while you're shooting will cause accuracy problems.

[ArcheryGuy]

This is a really good point. Archers need to keep their bow arm up until the shot hits the target. There is a temptation to drop the bow arm to watch the arrow in flight, but this should be resisted. Otherwise, you might move the bow too soon (i.e. during release or directly after) which can affect arrow trajectory and lead to accuracy problems as you pointed out.

[shadows666love]

yeah. i was approached by Olympics people in Finland about shooting for them, but i declined. I'd rather just keep archery for fun and relaxation.

[artardkiza]

why are u drawing the bow back so far below the arrow....? cuz i mean i think ur using a tab and not a releaser so you should be placing your fingers around the arrow..?

[ArcheryGuy]

It's called stringwalking. I do that to adjust the shot for different distances. Higher for longer distances and lower for shorter distances. The method you mention is mostly used (here anyway) for Olympic style shooting where you have a sight to compensate for different distances

[turrtle4]

WHATS UR RANGED LV?

[ArcheryGuy]

Not quite sure what you mean by "Ranged LV" but I shoot barebow and that means I shoot max 50m outdoors.

[ng416]

loooooooooool rs ftl

[turrtle4]

huh? im talkin about oblivion for xbox 360 :S

[YourFavouriteSkater]

i think its a video game joke.

[turrtle4]

i think ur right

[turrtle4]

range lvl?/exp?

[ArcheryGuy]

Errr, what?

[chonne81]

Hi im an archer from sweden who has that kind of bow to i shoot whit sight...

I have a question.. did you have huge!! problems to get the right tiller? and did your lower limb at sometime looked a littlebit kind twisted? and did your string not fall down in the limb at the right place? i adjusted the screw with the plate at the front and solved that problem but i just cant get the tiller to move at all ..where do i adjust that? starting to hating my bow soon and throw it away..

[ArcheryGuy]

PM sent

[RandomFandomLtd]

why are you holding the strong so low down from the nocking points. you get more power the closer you hold it to the arrow.

[Domrayg]

Okay. Nice, But Your Shoulder [SP] Kept Going Up [only the slightest bit]. And try using meditaranian drawing. 1 above 2 below.

[JohnTheRipper2]

what speed do you reckon the arrows fly at?

[ArcheryGuy]

I checked it with chronometer once and I think it was about 166 fps (feet per second) with these 32# limbs and my X7 aluminium arrows. Never tested it with the carbon arrows though.

[cute178]

worst archery technique i've ever seen...

[majestueusement]

is not good finger technique is technique damaged bow!!! i'm french

[ArcheryGuy]

Actually, I find this technique works quite well for me. I have been shooting like this for 3 years now with 2 different sets of limbs without any damage at all to the limbs.

[johnrocks937]

nice wat kind of bow is that and how much do they go for and wats the draw weight.i have all bears but thats a sweet bow and i like how your shooting

[ArcheryGuy]

The bow is a KAP Winstar II. The riser costs about 180 USD (lancasterarchery). The limbs I'm using in the vid are KAP Challenger with a draw weight of 32 pounds.

Thanks for the support!

[clubby1234]

i want your bow

[ArcheryGuy]

It's a KAP Winstar II. Nice bow, nice price. I recommend it!

[graiypz]

very nice bow! nice video too! :D

[ArcheryGuy]

Thanks! I like my bow. Shoots very well.

[dugesisthename123]

i have only seen this once. I shoot bare bow too and iv never done this. I will have to give that a try

[blackfeatherarchery]

That was excellent recurve shooting. And you keep the same posture like you we're surposed to.

[brandnewplunger]

I also tried this technique and like it very much, but I will continue to reasearch its effects. I will post a vid of me doing it soon.

[Onisaken]

So by pulling beneath the nock, it increases the aiming capability through line of sight? yes? I find this fascinating as this is the first time I have seen such a hand placement. I will most deffinitely have to try it!

[ArcheryGuy]

That's right. If you search the net for "barebow string walking" you'll find quite a bit of information on the technique (face walking is another technique). Good luck with your shooting!

[Prons]

This is going to be a pretty noob question, but how come you seem to hold the arrow different than the olympic shooters?

[ArcheryGuy]

I shoot barebow (i.e no sight, stabilizers, etc) and all the barebow archers I know hold the string under the arrow. The position under the arrow is adjusted up or down to adjust for different shooting distances. Olympic archers (i.e with sights,etc) however use a different type of tab and the arrow is placed between the fingers. The sight is adjusted for different distances

[Prons]

That's very interesting, thanks archery guy!

[uknowwho889]

fir barebow, have you adjusted your tiller? to compensate for the torque you're applying to either the top or bottom limb depending on where you place your fingers on the string?

[ArcheryGuy]

Actually when this vid was shot I had not adjusted my tiller at all and was shooting with a tiller of 0! But now I have a tiller of about 7mm (0.28 in.)

[sniper6636]

im more accustomed to compounds but have been thinkin about recurves im 13 so i dont want one that big but im pretty beefy so i dont want a 3 year old bow and suggestions and one more question the rest for the arrow since im a compound user i have idea what its like is it sort like a whisker brisket or wat

[madpelletgunner]

just get what ever walmart is selling... see if you like shooting a bow and if so get a better one

[nilocking17]

no no no no Bad advice trust me nobody enjoys shooting a plastic bow go to a local club or shool program with so alright bows and try that out

[ArcheryGuy]

I suggest finding an archery club (if you're not already in one) and trying out a recurve before you buy. That way you can try it out and find what you like before investing a lot of money in a bow. Also, you'll probably get some good equipment tips from more experienced recurve archers. Good luck!

[ArcheryGuy]

I close one eye. I've tried before to keep both eyes open but never quite got the hang of it. Some people say it's better with both open but I find closing one eye works best for me.

[toothpastemoose]

i tried two eyes open as well just couldnt get the hang of it apart from going cross eyes it also gave me a headache and a twitchy eye for the rest of the day i wish i could with two eyes open just to see that arrow hurtlin towards the target

[nchayfarmer]

yea I usta shoot with one eye on my compound it throwed me off quiet a bit on shots over 50 yards

[M1S1R]

Hi, even though it's barebow, why don't you use a sling? I notice that the bow is still jumping out of your hand, but that you're having to catch it almost straight away. Wouldn't this risk having a tense bow hand? Can't barebow shooters justify a sling? Cheers.

[ArcheryGuy]

Actually I did have a sling on here. If you look closely at my wrist you can see it. It's a black nylon rope going from my wrist around the bow and hooking back on the rope with a white plastic hook.

[M1S1R]

Right! I just watched in on full screen and can see it now. I thought it was a watch strap before ;-)

[relix95]

e quello lo chiami tirare? hai il gomito alle stelle

[poeticromance]

your technique seems to be more hunting style more than for target shooting.

[kuramaschrader]

good shooting friend and excellent form as well ur very calm during the process. I recentely bought a Banshee quad for 70 dollars from a local pro shop, would u recommend it for me as a beginner?

[ArcheryGuy]

Unfortunately, I can't give you too much advice about that bow. I only shoot recurve bows and don't know that much about compounds. There are quite a few archery forums out there that can help. Try one of those and I'm sure you'll get some good advice.

[muruonu]

what u call that Technique ??? :0

[XsniperXdodson]

u dont even draw the string back with the right fingers. index above arrow, middle and ring below.

[ArcheryGuy]

That's the way you shoot if you are an Olympic archer. I shoot barebow and we hold all three fingers under the arrow. That makes it easier to walk up and down the string to adjust for different distances.

[hackmattr]

you can shoot however you want

I learned the way your saying and its comfortbale for me. It depends on how comfortable it is for you.

[BigFatTonyCal]

there is a seller on ebay selling that riser new for $160. how do you like it.what sort of arrow speed do you get.

[ArcheryGuy]

I'm really pleased with the Winstar II. Have had it for 2 years now and can recommend it. Stable bow, shoots well, looks good. It's been a really long time since I measured the speed but I think it was around 160fps with my long aluminum arrows used during the indoor season.

[moltenbullet]

i'm new to archery, but wow this is really something i aint seen before.. does it work with all recurves or do i have to go set the bow up somehow or change stuff?, or do i just put my fingers lower?

[ArcheryGuy]

Yepp, that's right. I move up and down the string depending on the distance. At 50m I'm holding right up under the nocking point. In the vid here I'm shooting at about 20m IIRC. Do a Google search on "string and face walking" and you'll find quite a bit of info on the two methods. Some people don't like it at all, but it works for me.

[bowhunt1223]

its call string walking.some people say it's the only way

[bongalek00]

i also have a kap winstar2 bow... buy a hoyt its better kap isn't good--

[kylefer]

thats so rediculously cheep, he dident even have to hold the arrow... freakin rediculas... thats no way to shoot a bow, irl a REAL 6 foot longbow dosent hold the arrow for you.

[scottaylor111]

ok mate i think your ready for nick picking uk thing for working on finer things

1. take longer to aim your lead arm was just stopted or was wiggerling as you relseted take 5 to 10secs to loss.

2. your border line creaping, dwar your hand back a little faster and stop letting your finger cerver over after there off the string you wont get a proper release very time, but well done your getting there.

[ArcheryGuy]

Both comments are spot on, I realized both of these things after reviewing the video footage and am working on them. Thanks for the support!

[ppeek2]

all you guys that are bashing his tecnique its called waling the string and with a cliker is highly acurate dont nock it till you try it

[horsebackarchers]

Despite I dislike this technique I'll agree to loginloginlog.

Good luck dear Archer!

[BillysBMW]

discusting technique

[hyk94]

du är ju kent, eller hur?

[ArcheryGuy]

Jag heter Ken, ja. Känner vi varann?

[eviltman]

argh i wanna learn this so bad, be a ninja or something lol. :P

SERIOUSLY i would love to learn this but i live in the bahamas, land of do nothing :(

[Quicklyplz]

nice, good solid stance, looks like you might have too much of your fingers on the string tho. just behind the 1st knuckle with middle finger and just infront with index and ring finger, more consistant release, happy warm feeling inside etc :)

[chris3248500]

gimmish the technique used in this video is called "string walking". Gap shooting is when you sight down the shaft of the arrow and set a gap between the tip of the arrow and the target pertaining to the distance to the target.

[loginloginlog]

all archery styles are good. When you choose one you have to use it constantly to achieve precision

[gimmish]

I see your shooting the gap. I for one place my hand a 1/4 inch down from the arrow. Nice Bow you have. What is the brand name of the weight? Good form, also so are you just pulling from the arm? It doesn't look as thought your pulling with your back at all.

[ArcheryGuy]

Thanks for the comments. I was pulling with my back at the time but not nearly enough. I've been working on that along with some other aspects of my form. BTW, the weight was hand-made for me by another archer at my club (it's nice to have connections, eh?)

[nikhilmahajan888]

I everytime I tried to shoot arrows I have two major problems:

1. The arrow never stay on the string (coz i dont have the clip thing)

2. I cant keep the arrow steady and straight :D

I know I am a noob...I just dont want to use a bow with a clip and guide to keep it straight because I wanna tgry shooting arrow like they shot in ancient battles :P!

[roythearcher]

the "clip thing" you refer to is called a nock and all ancient archers used nocks made from horn or just a small slot cut into the end of a wooden arrow so you wont be cheating if you use one. As for keeping the arrow steady and straight, that's down to practice and good technique.

[raycwtam]

I am so amazed that there are so many "Olympics Style die-hard" archers trying to "force" archeryguy to change his shoot style as in Hong Kong. In fact, there are many more different type of shooting style in the world. Let's search them in U-tube, folks.

[Alansblogs]

Extra stability? my god, you should try it old-school. You may as well be firing a gun, why dont you just get a tripod and laser-dot sight? whatever works for you though

[Alansblogs]

bloody hell, you got a scope and range-finder on that thing? Thats not archery, you arent even holding the arrow

[ArcheryGuy]

I'm shooting barebow. No sights or scopes, just me, a bow and an arrow. The chrome thing on the front is a weight that provides a little extra stability. Most barebow archers hold the string under the arrow, olympic archers hold the arrow between their fingers

[CtrlAltDL337]

Which limbs are you using? Your tiller settings (if any)? Type of string? And arrow rest, finally.

[ArcheryGuy]

The limbs are KAP Challenger. They're a bit stiff compared to carbon limbs but they shoot well. The string is a FastFlite. Arrow rest is a Spigarelli magnetic. Don't remeber the tiller settings off the top of my head, but I haven't adjusted the tiller so it is still factory default.

[IamTheRedneck]

hey archery guy that was a good vid that showed me how to handle a recurve bow. There is a bow called the pse buckeye recurve bow. do you know the thing on the bows cord that holds the arrow that way you you just stick the arrow on and it stays in place and the u pull the 2 little things and let go to release. do you know if the buckeye recurve has it?

[ArcheryGuy]

Glad you liked the video. I suggest that you check with the dealer regarding the nocking points (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to)

[majdo12345]

well that a rly slow way to shot but i guss ur aime will be better

[OdinsEye8]

There is more than one way to shoot a bow.

[progen]

WORD!

[hamstrich]

Don't be obnoxious... perhaps he knows and is just experimenting with different ways of shooting barebow.

[mgsrocks5outof5]

you dumb ass thats not how you shoot the bot you held the bow string incorrectly...thats kinda sad and funny

[kwanjoo]

you do realise he's shooting without a stablizer and sight yeah? this is how you fine tune your techniques and stance, so don't judge before you understand what he's trying to do.

[ArcheryGuy]

How long have you been shooting? Ever shot barebow? Ever heard of string walking?

[wiltsu]

Hay dewd, your the dumbass here, you shouldnt even be shooting with bows or any kind of weapons because you sound like some childish kid, who probably cant shoot safely or handle weapons safely.

[sandcrab132]

wooooow you do NOT even know how many people you all just offended. Archery is a marvelous sport that is anything but childish. Walking the string is widely acceptable although illegal in some competitions. All i see here is good technique and a very nice bow. You just dissed everyone whos into shooting sports. Shame on you sir.

[wiltsu]

I didnt say Archery is childish, i said mgsrock5outof5 is childish.