Hmm, when he talks about flight plans, he doesn't include fuel endurance and POB (persons on board), is that just how it's done in the us? Here in the uk, I believe that information is part of the flight plan
That's probably because its not relevant to ATC. All of that stuff is on file somewhere, including color of the aircraft, pilot's name, etc. From an ATC perspective, all we really need to know is: call sign, type of plane/equipment, airspeed, route, and altitude.
I am a retired Air Traffic Controller who had a flight plan on American 11 on 911 and who controlled that flight hundreds of times before 911. I was one of the first controllers to hear it ran into WTC. UAL93's ATC is a friend of mine. .Read my story and the ATC Strike of 1981 below.
While on You Tube search for AyXjdxtZPS0 It is about 911 and ATC. Very Informative..
Or go to air-traffic-controller and then type dot (.) org
15shelby A school I will never go to. And a Shelby shit never paid for it. As I sit I'm a trucker becuase my dad was a air traffic controler. Fuck you Shelby.
@15shelby Thanks for the info. When I worked with much "pride and joy" as a bagagehandler for K.L.M. Ground Services at Schiphol Airport almost three years ago, I never stopped wondering how working in "The Tower" would be like.
Although driving the illustrious "RampSnake" along the Bravo, Charlie, Delta and
Echo platforms was in a way quite exhilirating as well, the goings on in Air Traffic
Control kept fascinating me even more. But alas, I've got my age against me.
@Aviator14 Well you might want to assist for shift change to make sure. Be my gueste: 6A.M. to 2:P.M., 8A.M. to 4P.M., 2P.M. to 6P.M., 4P.M to 12A.M, 12:00A.M. to 8:00A.M. They are fully staffed and effeciently accomedated for your big mouth. I will be waiting for your ignorent response. Pilolt.
Can a 32 year old join the Air National Guard and learn ATC and then qualify to do ATC for DoD and FAA? I read somewhere about a veterans waiver but would that count going in after the 31 age cutoff?
Nope. To work ATC for the FAA you must begin processing (security & medical clearance) prior to your 31st birthday. About 10 years ago the FAA had some programs for retired military controllers, PATCO rehires, and those affected by the OPM hiring freeze in '91 which allowed some people to get hired after the age of 31. I don't foresee the agency doing this again any time soon. Other than that, the FAA does not allow for age waivers.
Is this anything like "Pushing Tin"? (that rather enjoyable movie with John Cusack and Billy Bob Thornton). Or was that just a hyper version of the real deal? Because after watching only a few minutes of Cusack's kinda maverick way of handling those planes, I was exhausted! As if he was playing some sort of
computergame. But to have that kind of tremendous responsibility, where every dot on the screen resembles an actual aircraft (and not a tennisball!), you literally
@OEKIE77 Pushing Tin captured the working environment and the interpersonal relationship tension that exists, but as a technical representation it struck out.
I heard you cant be a civilian air traffic controller if your older then 31. Is this true? So if you did time in the military as an ATC and your a couple years over 31 you cant come out of the military and become an ATC? or how does that work? I have been in the military for 8 years and im an ATC. and my contract is up in a few years and i will be over 31 but I wanted to be a civilian ATC. can I still apply as a civilian ATC?
I don't seem to have any interest in this job. Not to mention it don't pay enough. Oh I have all the clad training but there never was any motivation for that type of job. Not inviting enough. There is much friction I would rather take my money else where.
@CraigsRLimon In canada they pay $110,000 a year apparently, ofcourse you wouldn't start at that though, probably start around $70-80 thousand a year.
@CraigsRLimon In canada they pay $110,000 a year apparently, ofcourse you wouldn't start at that though, probably start around $70-80 thousand a year.
I hear that you have to be 30 years or younger without prior schooling to do this. I am a Navy Veteran. I just turned 29. Lets say i finish school when im 33. Will I still be elgible for employment?
I am currently 16 and in 10th grade. Not making perfect grades but i'm working on improving. Any people out there with tips on becoming an Air Traffic Controller. I would really like to do this when i grow up and i was looking it up. I was just wondering if there were any tips or pre requisite classes you would advise before college and such as well as what colleges and classes i should look into.
Nice! I enlisted in the Air Force, and I am leaving for BMT on Feb. 22. My AFSC is going to be an Air Traffic Controller! Can't wait! Do you like the job? You have any basic tips on how to survive Tech School? I heard the wash out rate is pretty high.
@jddavidso I am on a similar road, but a little older (in college). I would suggest that you take classes and complete a college major in whatever interests you (i.e. somethign else that you would enjoy doing for a living). The FAA doesn't care what your major was or what classes you took, they just want to be sure that you are capable of higher level thought. Staying away from ATC/aviation classes will give you a good fall-back career if ATC doesn't work out.
@jddavidso (part 2). For instance, I am a double major at Chapman Univ. in Business Admin and Accounting. I have always loved business and the world of finance (in addition to planes/aviation). If I ever decide to change my career or get laid off (a somewhat likely possibility), I can make money doing something else I love. If things do work out and you become an atc, it will only make you a more well-rounded person. Don't worry about the whole atc thing until you're standing in front of
Ohhh Tampa. I talk to them the time on 119.65 when flying in and out of Sarasota. Sometimes they're pissy, and sometimes they're cool, but they always do a good job of making sure us pilots don't crash into each other.
@DopeBoyMagic66 they can easily make over 100k starting. bonuses are huge, make sure you get a good program. high stress job according to most people but hey if its what you love then its good.
@SeanTagen 100k starting? Hardly....Starting wages for a developmental is 42k/yr. I'm D2 at 51k/yr, still have 2 radar positions which are $2.50 a position and get a 2-3$ raise in January from our contract. This is a level 7 up down facility. If you were to work at a level 10+ Developmental wages are still 42k/yr until you certify on a position.
no one cares if ur 13 dude thats like me saying im 16 and i live in california...no one cares.....all u have to do is join the air force and get 4 years into traffic controlling u shuld be set
I am 13 years old and my dream job is to become an air traffic controller. I live in Brisbane, Australia and I want to work at Brisbane Airport. What is the chance of a person getting employed? If I get a Bachelors degree I should be ok right?
@Celticking36 That's your opinion. I work in the Tower and wouldn't want to work in tracon in a dark room sitting in front of a radar screen for 8-10 hrs a day. I enjoy working in the Tower and being able to see the type of aircraft I am talking to. During my Air Force years I saw military aircraft from the Tower that Tracon ATC's will never see. You may think we are pussies but we see military aircraft and civilian aircraft you probably will never see.
@Celticking36 umm humm tower controls use this thing called, Radar. so in a say they are "Radar Controller" so wtf are you talking bout? Hollywood? 2:48 <--look a radar!!!! lol
Depends. Entry ATC's make $50k at smaller airports, while ATC's at larger airports may start off with over $140k. Pilots typicallyy start around $38k and varies on the industry. The most a starting pilot will make is around $80k.
Not true, that Tracon handels the flight all the way to the local controller of the destination airport. More than likely a center controller will be in control of the airplane during the cruise.
Tracon facilities don't control you the whole way to your destination though, they only control aircraft approaching and departing the airspace. ARTCC's, or en route facilities control you while you are on your way.
If you are learning to fly and have a flight instructor ask him, that's how I got to go. If not, try emailing or calling a facility and how you can take a tour.
This is what I want to do when I grow up!
MrCubeGuy 1 month ago
Hmm, when he talks about flight plans, he doesn't include fuel endurance and POB (persons on board), is that just how it's done in the us? Here in the uk, I believe that information is part of the flight plan
bigbadbenable 3 months ago
@bigbadbenable
That's probably because its not relevant to ATC. All of that stuff is on file somewhere, including color of the aircraft, pilot's name, etc. From an ATC perspective, all we really need to know is: call sign, type of plane/equipment, airspeed, route, and altitude.
sinebass808 1 month ago
I'm diggin the Bayer in the back during the data brief! lol
djroe86 4 months ago in playlist ATC
I like the cute narrator girl
ddeakpeti 5 months ago
I was looking into this career until I found out it was dominated by labor unions.
lvll138inrs 7 months ago
I am a retired Air Traffic Controller who had a flight plan on American 11 on 911 and who controlled that flight hundreds of times before 911. I was one of the first controllers to hear it ran into WTC. UAL93's ATC is a friend of mine. .Read my story and the ATC Strike of 1981 below.
While on You Tube search for AyXjdxtZPS0 It is about 911 and ATC. Very Informative..
Or go to air-traffic-controller and then type dot (.) org
1981strike 8 months ago
@1981strike damn, i could only imagine...TRACON im assuming?
bajesus666 7 months ago
15shelby A school I will never go to. And a Shelby shit never paid for it. As I sit I'm a trucker becuase my dad was a air traffic controler. Fuck you Shelby.
redviper2GAMER 9 months ago
@15shelby Thanks for the info. When I worked with much "pride and joy" as a bagagehandler for K.L.M. Ground Services at Schiphol Airport almost three years ago, I never stopped wondering how working in "The Tower" would be like.
Although driving the illustrious "RampSnake" along the Bravo, Charlie, Delta and
Echo platforms was in a way quite exhilirating as well, the goings on in Air Traffic
Control kept fascinating me even more. But alas, I've got my age against me.
"Copy that "Roger!"
OEKIE77 10 months ago
Just make sure they don't fall asleep in the tower
Aviator14 10 months ago
@Aviator14 Well you might want to assist for shift change to make sure. Be my gueste: 6A.M. to 2:P.M., 8A.M. to 4P.M., 2P.M. to 6P.M., 4P.M to 12A.M, 12:00A.M. to 8:00A.M. They are fully staffed and effeciently accomedated for your big mouth. I will be waiting for your ignorent response. Pilolt.
redviper2GAMER 10 months ago
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ok why dont they install the same alarm system button they have on trains for the engineers so they dont sleep?
DaBearscz27227348 10 months ago
Can a 32 year old join the Air National Guard and learn ATC and then qualify to do ATC for DoD and FAA? I read somewhere about a veterans waiver but would that count going in after the 31 age cutoff?
uneqstylez 10 months ago
@uneqstylez
Nope. To work ATC for the FAA you must begin processing (security & medical clearance) prior to your 31st birthday. About 10 years ago the FAA had some programs for retired military controllers, PATCO rehires, and those affected by the OPM hiring freeze in '91 which allowed some people to get hired after the age of 31. I don't foresee the agency doing this again any time soon. Other than that, the FAA does not allow for age waivers.
sinebass808 10 months ago
Is this anything like "Pushing Tin"? (that rather enjoyable movie with John Cusack and Billy Bob Thornton). Or was that just a hyper version of the real deal? Because after watching only a few minutes of Cusack's kinda maverick way of handling those planes, I was exhausted! As if he was playing some sort of
computergame. But to have that kind of tremendous responsibility, where every dot on the screen resembles an actual aircraft (and not a tennisball!), you literally
must have some NERVE!
OEKIE77 11 months ago
@OEKIE77 Pushing Tin captured the working environment and the interpersonal relationship tension that exists, but as a technical representation it struck out.
15shelby 10 months ago
I heard you cant be a civilian air traffic controller if your older then 31. Is this true? So if you did time in the military as an ATC and your a couple years over 31 you cant come out of the military and become an ATC? or how does that work? I have been in the military for 8 years and im an ATC. and my contract is up in a few years and i will be over 31 but I wanted to be a civilian ATC. can I still apply as a civilian ATC?
DannyBoy52785 1 year ago
@DannyBoy52785
you have to be certified below 31
so if your military your good
you can also get age waivers
fawas92 11 months ago
@fawas92
This is not true to work ATC for the DOD FAA.
sinebass808 10 months ago
I don't seem to have any interest in this job. Not to mention it don't pay enough. Oh I have all the clad training but there never was any motivation for that type of job. Not inviting enough. There is much friction I would rather take my money else where.
Spain is a patent and Russia is authority.
CraigsRLimon 1 year ago
@CraigsRLimon In canada they pay $110,000 a year apparently, ofcourse you wouldn't start at that though, probably start around $70-80 thousand a year.
sutton123454 1 year ago
@CraigsRLimon In canada they pay $110,000 a year apparently, ofcourse you wouldn't start at that though, probably start around $70-80 thousand a year.
sutton123454 1 year ago
MY SISTER WENT TO KPITS pittsburgh international airport ATC she said it was crazyyyyyyyyyy busy
TheKimTwister 1 year ago
I am in the process of applying to NATS in the UK to start ATC training.
dantastic15 1 year ago
@dantastic15 help help help. did you do a levels??????????
J0104J 1 year ago
@J0104J yes i have.
dantastic15 1 year ago
@dantastic15 What subjects did you choose, and which would be the best to help me do this job?????
J0104J 1 year ago
@dantastic15 help help help. did you do a levels??????????
J0104J 1 year ago
I hear that you have to be 30 years or younger without prior schooling to do this. I am a Navy Veteran. I just turned 29. Lets say i finish school when im 33. Will I still be elgible for employment?
XRAYZAKKONTATIK 1 year ago
@XRAYZAKKONTATIK nope they make dat clear b4 u start takin da class
hatindasouth 1 year ago
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I also am NOT looking into a millitary career. related to the first post.
jddavidso 1 year ago
I am currently 16 and in 10th grade. Not making perfect grades but i'm working on improving. Any people out there with tips on becoming an Air Traffic Controller. I would really like to do this when i grow up and i was looking it up. I was just wondering if there were any tips or pre requisite classes you would advise before college and such as well as what colleges and classes i should look into.
jddavidso 1 year ago
@jddavidso
I am currently an air traffic controller in the U.S Air Force, will be going into the civilian sector when my term is done, i would suggest that road
stephaniegillam20 1 year ago
@stephaniegillam20
Nice! I enlisted in the Air Force, and I am leaving for BMT on Feb. 22. My AFSC is going to be an Air Traffic Controller! Can't wait! Do you like the job? You have any basic tips on how to survive Tech School? I heard the wash out rate is pretty high.
Archertom 1 year ago
@jddavidso I am on a similar road, but a little older (in college). I would suggest that you take classes and complete a college major in whatever interests you (i.e. somethign else that you would enjoy doing for a living). The FAA doesn't care what your major was or what classes you took, they just want to be sure that you are capable of higher level thought. Staying away from ATC/aviation classes will give you a good fall-back career if ATC doesn't work out.
thatBMWkid 1 year ago
@jddavidso (part 2). For instance, I am a double major at Chapman Univ. in Business Admin and Accounting. I have always loved business and the world of finance (in addition to planes/aviation). If I ever decide to change my career or get laid off (a somewhat likely possibility), I can make money doing something else I love. If things do work out and you become an atc, it will only make you a more well-rounded person. Don't worry about the whole atc thing until you're standing in front of
thatBMWkid 1 year ago
@jddavidso of a crowd and graduating from college. I hope that helps! You've got plenty of time.
thatBMWkid 1 year ago
Ohhh Tampa. I talk to them the time on 119.65 when flying in and out of Sarasota. Sometimes they're pissy, and sometimes they're cool, but they always do a good job of making sure us pilots don't crash into each other.
WindexDJD 1 year ago
is that a BOX of BAYER!?
mjmoto72 1 year ago
As GA pilot just want to say thanks for all your hard work!
alduncine 1 year ago
Extremely Interesting!
petunia4ever 1 year ago
Would you mind saying how much you make a year?
Or how much a new worker might earn a year? Im very interested in this since im going to the Air Force
DopeBoyMagic66 1 year ago
@DopeBoyMagic66 they can easily make over 100k starting. bonuses are huge, make sure you get a good program. high stress job according to most people but hey if its what you love then its good.
SeanTagen 1 year ago
@SeanTagen 100k starting? Hardly....Starting wages for a developmental is 42k/yr. I'm D2 at 51k/yr, still have 2 radar positions which are $2.50 a position and get a 2-3$ raise in January from our contract. This is a level 7 up down facility. If you were to work at a level 10+ Developmental wages are still 42k/yr until you certify on a position.
LiquidFrost 1 year ago
no one cares if ur 13 dude thats like me saying im 16 and i live in california...no one cares.....all u have to do is join the air force and get 4 years into traffic controlling u shuld be set
Michaeldigswomen 1 year ago
I am 13 years old and my dream job is to become an air traffic controller. I live in Brisbane, Australia and I want to work at Brisbane Airport. What is the chance of a person getting employed? If I get a Bachelors degree I should be ok right?
TheSiwelf 1 year ago
@TheSiwelf You don't need a degree
StickedJJ 1 year ago
wat happens wen pilots screw up a little?
adamgamedude 1 year ago
good ATC
luis1955able 1 year ago
Tower is for pussies. Radar controllers have the real balls
Celticking36 1 year ago
@Celticking36 That's your opinion. I work in the Tower and wouldn't want to work in tracon in a dark room sitting in front of a radar screen for 8-10 hrs a day. I enjoy working in the Tower and being able to see the type of aircraft I am talking to. During my Air Force years I saw military aircraft from the Tower that Tracon ATC's will never see. You may think we are pussies but we see military aircraft and civilian aircraft you probably will never see.
CombatRadar 1 year ago
@CombatRadar
How was ur tech school?
PS3PS3PS3PS3 1 year ago
@CombatRadar Who is doubting you? And why are we calling each other "pussies"? Damn, shaddap, people, get along. Control the air.
adamania 7 months ago
@Celticking36 What type of control work do you do?
nigelmtb 1 year ago
@Celticking36 umm humm tower controls use this thing called, Radar. so in a say they are "Radar Controller" so wtf are you talking bout? Hollywood? 2:48 <--look a radar!!!! lol
Logo3801 1 year ago
@Logo3801 There are controllers on certain areas that use non-radar due to low radar coverage
fordairport 1 year ago
@Logo3801 we only use radar to identify aircraft its not used like it is in tracon
colossus3200 1 year ago
@milla - the figure for smaller airports isn't that low.
working a slow airport will net you between 60-90k/yr.
across the board ATC will generally make more than pilots, considering furloughs and layoffs that are prevalent considering the economy.
Captains.. yes, they make more. lots more. But on average you'll find the controllers bringing in more money.
IndridCold07 2 years ago
Pilots gets more money .
tiAGOgO1996 2 years ago
lolz wrong. Unless you're a 20 year veteran you aren't going to make 100k a year; What a controller can make after just a few years.
d0rkiishchris 1 year ago
atc gets more money.
gryffindorhouse122 2 years ago
@resny0
Yes, they make $50,000 an hour...
milla4da8killa 2 years ago
lmaoOoo hahahahahahhaha bets piece of sarcasm i've read al day!! lmao
GoldenChildFFt 1 year ago
@milla4da8killa LOL
adamania 7 months ago
@resny0
Depends. Entry ATC's make $50k at smaller airports, while ATC's at larger airports may start off with over $140k. Pilots typicallyy start around $38k and varies on the industry. The most a starting pilot will make is around $80k.
milla4da8killa 2 years ago
Hello from Chicago approach control!
InTheBlocks 2 years ago
in sweden it took me 5 years
alcoholicmr 2 years ago
does anybody kno how many years in the us it takes to complete everything and start working as an atc
hghskid 2 years ago
@hghskid Go to a college with an ATC major, wait for ~9 months to go to Oak. City for FAA training and go to work.
all4golf 2 years ago
@hghskid
Go into the AF, save yourself time.
milla4da8killa 2 years ago
Not true, that Tracon handels the flight all the way to the local controller of the destination airport. More than likely a center controller will be in control of the airplane during the cruise.
mimuho 2 years ago
omg i went there for a boyscout trip XD i
05ryan055 2 years ago
Tracon facilities don't control you the whole way to your destination though, they only control aircraft approaching and departing the airspace. ARTCC's, or en route facilities control you while you are on your way.
spikesonthebrain 2 years ago
I met him when I did a tour of Orlando Tower.
spikesonthebrain 2 years ago
how can you tour tower places will they let you do that cause i want to be a ATC and I have always wanted to go in and tour the tower
morganbren 2 years ago
If you are learning to fly and have a flight instructor ask him, that's how I got to go. If not, try emailing or calling a facility and how you can take a tour.
spikesonthebrain 2 years ago
Ok thanks I will try to e-mail
Hope they will let me do it
morganbren 2 years ago
How can I visit a Tower ? Is there a way (email someone, or the airport to visit the Tower?)
Zerocool003 2 years ago
very cool job to have...thanks for sharing what you guys do up there...
liquidsquid2 2 years ago
Wow, great intro to this profession. Thanks so much.
Theresa567 3 years ago
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lastly local control? PSSHH they control 5 miles :P
thebloody1 3 years ago
you dont know anything about ATC...obviously...shut your mouth
propilotcfi 3 years ago
Yep you got me, I dont know anything..... Btw moron it was a joke.
thebloody1 3 years ago
THX FOR SHARING!!!!
gokumalo 3 years ago 2