John Piper what you preach/teach is so wrong, its flat out wrong You sound so gentle yet you are so vile so self righteous You are not Jesus like at all, look in the mirror, what so you see?
Homosexuality is not in the Bible, it is not a sin. Yet you continue with your veiled hate, fear and crap Christianly. What would Jesus say? In the OT you would be a whore. Jesus was not into behavior modification, no God made gay people same as he made you. And ya know what Mr Piper, God loves all His kids
Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Commandments nor did Jesus say one word about it. He DID 100% condemn the leaders of organized religion & their fanatican followers!
7 verses in the entire Bible mention gay sex; references to male prostitution, concubines & wild hedonism (using men & boys as sex toys), all common in the ancient world.
Being gay is NOT a sin, nor do gay sex acts have ANY religious context of themselves
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
It's unfortunate that the current translations of Romans appears to speak of gay sex. Is the inference here - that gays are more lusty than straight persons? It must be, if Piper's reading is correct. God giving them over to their lusts. What isn't noted is that the temple rite included heterosexual sex as well. So by this perverted logic straight sex is condemned also.
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Are you an Old Testament Jew? If so follow the six hundred laws - but don't preach it to me. It was based on that Law that the Pharisees delivered up Jesus to be crucified.
@thethikboy Homosexuality is also condemned in the new testament. There is no way a person can rationally defend that sexual orientation choice from the bible.
@xCrucifyTheFleshx You assume that because you were told by homophobes posing as Christians, not proper biblical scholars. There was no concept of homosexuality in Jesus's culture. Yes there were people of the same gender who had sex because of mutual attraction, but there was no name for it as an orientation, namely homosexuality. Your reading modern biases into a culture you know nothing about and claiming it is of divine origin - very dangerous and presumptuous
@thethikboy Let's go right to what the bible has said, shall we: ''For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 54 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 55 and were inflamed in their passions 56 for one another. Men 57 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. - Romans 1:26-27.
@xCrucifyTheFleshx - you are basing your whole Christian faith on one mis-understood verse
The fact that you cling to this pretext for persecution , self-righteousness and hatred proves that you also misunderstand the rest of the New Testament
Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
@thethikboy It appears you don't even understand the scripture you just posted. Paul was talking about hypocrites passing judgement for sins which they also commit. Well, I do not live a homosexual lifestyle so... You have a chance now to repent, don't leave it until too late.
@xCrucifyTheFleshx That paul is a hypocrite....he make these verse because he knew some people will find that christianity is a fraud,so he prevent it......But it's still a fraud,a scam....
@minou356 If Christianity is a fraud like you say, than how is it the only Holy book which accurately prophesied the fall of empires, Israel's formation, and the rise of this NWO that we see today? My friend, your rage stems from the fact that in your heart you know Jesus is true, and you don't want to give up your homosexual lifestyle. If this was a scam, you wouldn't have reacted in such a hostile way. Seek truth and you will find it, and have the power to overcome your homosexual urges.......
Seek the truth of Holy Scripture, read the Bible in context. Stop listening to the crap Christians preaches, and listen to Jesus. John Piper so self righteous and so wrong; but he gets paid to preach crap. Wonder what Jesus would say about him. In the OT he would be a whore would he not?
@chicraig6421 Listen mate, it's not a sin to have homosexual attractions as it often results of environmental upbringing and it's not the persons fault. However, pursuing a homosexual lifestyle IS sin. The bible is so clear on this, I don't understand why you're arguing. I don't hate homosexuals like minou356 is claiming, I just wouldn't want to see you guys deceived by Satan on what is pleasing to God. Jesus bless you!
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Well mate no may not believe or want to believe but God made homosexuals, and he made me who I am. There is no fault unless u are faulting God. Being homosexual is no more a sin then being heterosexual (or less for that matter), sin is sin and both sin alike the only difference is who why fall in love with. Surprise. Again unless you think God made an error when he put homosexuals in His earth, you are in error. There is no satan in my life.
@thethikboy Here is another: ''Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.'' Well, this couldn't be more crystal clear. Practicing homosexuals will be cast into the lake of fire. Please people read the Bible instead of listening to liberal feel-good preachers.
God NEVER says being gay is a sin. Ever. The Bible doesn't say, either. Ever. You bet your LIFE it's hate to tell someone that the way God created them, which they did not choose and can not change is a sin. Telling people they go to "hell" for being gay is destroying lives and killing people, you CANNOT ignore the suffering it causes and pretend to give a damn about them. It IS hate. You're NOT "responsible" by threatening gay people with the vicious lie of them going to 'hell".
God NEVER says being gay is a sin. Ever. The Bible doesn't say, either. Ever. You bet your LIFE it's hate to tell someone that the way God created them, which they did not choose and can not change is a sin. Telling people they go to "hell" for being gay is destroying lives and killing people, you CANNOT ignore the suffering it causes and pretend to give a damn about them. It IS hate. You're NOT "responsible" by threatening gay people with the vicious lie of them going to 'hell".
@chicraig6421 The Bible plainly says, both in context and historically, that homosexuality is a sin. Romans 1:26, 27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 and 1 Timothy 1:10 are places to look at. We also read the Bible and this is what we see it saying, it's how others have translated the words, people I trust more with the language and understanding of it than I do you, and historically how Christianity has seen it and interpreted it.
@BethelShual Man is a Religious Animal He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion- several of them He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself & cuts his throat if his theology isnt straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness & heaven ~Mark Twain
If your doctrine of sin causes you to condemn people and discriminate against them NEEDLESSLY I suggest you change your doctrine
@chicraig6421 Was it hatred in Jesus when He tells people that, unless they repent, they will likewise perish? Men are born naturally evil, so it's wrong for God to say they are going to Hell because they are evil? Men are born evil and by their own evil nature they choose evil. Men really are evil and we really do deserve Hell. God is good; men are evil. God is just and good, so He must punish evil. If men are evil, what must God do with us, if He is indeed just?
@BethelShua What is the authentic message of Christ for us? Jesus put us here 2,000 yrs past since He died on Golgatha since He rose from the dead.Essentially I'm walking away from the complex religious interpretations of Christianity that churches teach, I will not walked away from my personal spirituality & relationship with Christ. I do not want to be associated with Churches that kicks out Homosexuals or preaches fear. Not what Jesus intended.
@chicraig6421 You say "Telling people they go to "hell" for being gay is destroying lives and killing people, you CANNOT ignore the suffering it causes and pretend to give a damn about them. It IS hate. You're NOT "responsible" by threatening gay people with the vicious lie of them going to 'hell"." Let me bring up a story to you.
@chicraig6421 Let's say a woman and her son go to the doctor. Now, when they see the doctor, the doctor discovers the woman has cancer. However, because he doesn't want to make her feel bad or scared or worried or any other negative thing, he just tells her she is okay. So, she leaves the hospital, fully assured in her false hope which has been given to her, and she and her son go out to eat. Did the doctor do anything good here? Was it right?
@BethelShualI f you were a Christian you would not have a problem with anything I write. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and the only people whom Jesus condemned to hell were people just like you - the "scribes and Pharisees" who picked out a few Bible verses to justify their prejudices and condemnation. Jesus said that you show your love for God by your love for your fellow man, Gay people are your fellow man, too. But your heart is full of hate and prejudice
@chicraig6421 The truth is what the woman needs to hear. She IS sick. She really DOES have cancer. If she is told? It may make her cry. It may ruin her day. It may ruin her week. It may tear her to pieces. I mean, she was planning to go out to eat with her son, so now her plans are all ruined. However, the truth NEEDS to be told, so she KNOWS her condition and now she can pursue treatment; now she can try to be cured.
Did I tell you I am married to my same sex partner, married in Davenport Iowa that great honey moon destination. Oh and married in a Christian (a ture Christian) Church, by a real live Christian preacher. Ya see, homosexuals are not an abomination, can't be God created us. I'v been with my partner for almost 17 years, gee longer than many marriages I know of. Ya see, we were born gay, the way God created us-really
@chicraig6421 This is exactly how it is with your lost condition: you are dead in your sin. You are on your way to Hell, for the sin you love and choose to practice. You don't want God; your god is your pleasure. This truth may hurt. You may hate it. However, now that I am telling you your condition? If you will accept it? There is a way out. There is only one method of treatment. Repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. He is your ONLY hope. The only hope to be saved from God's wrath.
@BethelShual The most important thing is that GOD clearly proves that being gay is okay, and that's all that counts. Ignorant men may flail around and stomp their feet in fury at the Lord's decision to create, love, and keep His gay children right here on His planet, as part of His divine plan, but it will never get them anywhere. Gay is okay according to the Lord. Why argue with Him?
@chicraig6421 Now, when you're told your condition, you can cup your hands over your ears and shout and yell; you can say "It's not true, it's not true! Hate, hate, hate!". However, just like someone with cancer, this will not make your condition any less real. You really do not know Jesus and because you don't believe, you are under God's wrath. You are condemned already. If only you will come to Christ, you can be SAVED from this wrath you are under.
@BethelShualWhat you really mean is that anyone who disgrees with you isn't a TRUE Christian. That's the exact line of reasoning used by the Inquisition to justify torturing & burning Protestants at the stake, and by Protestants to justify tortring & killing Catholics. That's what the "good Christians" of Carthage, IL used to justify the murder of Joseph Smith.
That's exactly what our Founders opposed when they set up the seperation of church & state
@chicraig6421 God really does love you. He loves all men. He loved the whole world so much that He sent His Son, Jesus, that whoever would believe in Him would be saved. He commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and to believe in Jesus Christ. All of the food and gladness and joy you get, the rain and sunshine you feel, every good thing in your life, even your very breath and life? These are mercies God gives to everyone. Don't reject Him here. Don't hide your sin anymore.
@BethelShual Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to.
@chicraig6421 As thirdimpact pointed out to you, God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Don't hide your sin, but confess it. He is faithful to forgive sin. If only you will admit that you are a sinner, that you have sinned against Him; if only you will repent and believe in Christ to save you from the wrath you deserve. No amount of morality or church going or religion will save you; no amount of works can save you. Only faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ.
@CaesarsDecree Tim is not Christ speaking is he? No he is not. Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuals did He. No Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuals. So why do you twist Holy Scripture. None of the 7 verses used to say homosexuality is a sin, actually say that, none of them. Yet you will twist them to say they do, why is that? Piper twists and turns, the bigot, who seems to be obsessed with this topic is he gay?
God loves all His kids including the gay kind and even Piper
@chicraig6421 Your hatred and bitterness is apparent. ("Do not hate" - Jesus). Jesus didn't say anything about bestiality, masturbation, polygamy, war crimes, or terrorism EITHER, yet all are sins. Jesus was a Jew, who followed the Jewish Law. IN THE JEWISH LAW: HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. Perhaps you should read scriptures instead of claiming others twist it. John Piper is one of the greatest pastors of our generation. You are ignorant.
@CaesarsDecree My hatred and bitterness is apparent. Really did u look at this vid. I do not hate. You twist what I say. Homosexuality is not a sin, perhaps you and Piper should read Holy Scripture in context. There is no difference between heterosexual and homosexual sin. The only difference is who they fall in love with.
The Bible clearly says homosexual acts (think prison) are sin, not homosexuality there is a difference Homosexual acts committed by heterosexuals, are sin in the Bible
@chicraig6421 No. I'm sorry. You're just flat wrong. You function on a faulty notion of what the Bible is and what it says. Homosexuality IS a sin, as much as all other sins that the Bible CLEARLY dictates.
@CaesarsDecree I totally disagree with you and Piper on homosexuality being a sin. It is not.
Homosexuality is not in the Bible. Homosexual acts are - think prison inmates - that is not homosexuality but homosexual acts. Homosexuals fall in love same as heterosexual, no difference except who they love., and both sin the same, no difference, none. Really read the Bible in context.
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
chicraig6421 is speaking lies. I'm assuming he has already been confronted with the verses and the context in the Bible. I recently had an argument with another one of these guys who twist up the Bible to justify their homosexuality, I looked into the words used, context, etc. If anyone would like to know more, just contact me or click the lower link on my profile. I compiled a few things in there to check out.
@BethelShual Since you looked into the words and context and call me a liar, let me ask u when was the first time the actual word homosexual appeared in any Bible anywhere?
Before being re and mis translated what was the translation of these 2 Greek words:
'malaokois, and 'arsenokoitali'?
Lets see who is twisting the Bible.
I can't wait to hear ur response since you have studied this all important Christian topic-homosexuality.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kind.
@chicraig6421 The character cap on here is annoying. If we're going to have a long discussion, contact me in a message or on one of my other links. Also, some things you may ask could be answered right away, if you'd only take the time to check out the link I suggested. This conversation we may have, if you're willing to, may simply add to it.
Also, God does love all men, however, not everyone is His child. 1 John 3:4-10 shows those who practice sin are not. They are children of Satan.
@chicraig6421 God loves to save sinners. There are many in heaven who have repented of the sin of homosexuality, or adultery, or pornography, or pedophilia, or murder, or blasphemy, or hatred, or pride. But God will not accept anyone who demands of God to accept their sin. God commands the whole world to repent.
@chicraig6421 A lifestyle of sin is a lifestyle inclined to repeatedly commit a sin and justify it. Thus, calling yourself married to another man, after having a wedding in a building called a church would be a lifestyle of homosexuality. And you have attacked John Piper, myself, and all the Christians who went before who understand homosexuality as a sin, to tell them their wrong, and you know better. God resists the proud.
@chicraig6421 You show here that you can't accept what the Bible says. I just gave you 1 John 3:4-10 and then you're arguing with me as if it's something I said. It's not my opinion, it's what the Bible says; it's what God says. Not everyone is a child of God. Read it. That's what it says. You're not helping your case, seeing as you ignore other plain Biblical text in favor of your own opinions, bias and worldview. If you do it here, why not with homosexuality?
Despite the fact we have medicine, transport, technology among a whole plethora of useful things science has bought us in this age, people would rather reject all that and believe in some incoherent being that allegedly surrounds us - but if we cannot sense him, as can none of our instruments then can anyone justify him being there?
I'm not going to worry about displeasing a man who does not exist. That is tantamount to an anorexic not eating because they fear fat-hips that don't exist.
@alexdoccy1 p.s. Watched the video, and if God's wrath proclaims itself in allowing sin to happen then surely he is a powerless and pointless being? "I have the power to create the universe but I can't stop something I don't like from happening in it because it is my own wrath which enables stuff I don't like to occur first place"
I am so sick of this bullshit. God hates fags, God hates this, God hates that. YOU hate everything you prescribe to God. YOU ARE THE FUCKING HATER. Face that fact and work on yourself instead of pawning everything off on God. God does not exist. Stop with these myths, grow up and be adults already. Contribute a few brain cells to solving the AIDS epidemic instead of wasting your time and mine misreading the fucking Bible. Kids these days.
@Pundit2k YES PRECISELY. "God" is the embodiment of the selfish and hateful men who created him, although I do believe in God, somewhere, out there. not the one religion created.
Mr. Piper, you may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same.
If anyone is feeling hurt or in distress because of the crap this nut is spewing, you can call the Trevor Project-866 4UTREVOR. Don't do anything rash, God loves you. Some like Piper preach hate, they need help. I know and you will someday as well they are flat out wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible. Check it out, Jesus said not 1 word about gays, not 1.
There are some Christians that think being homosexual is a sin; I do not believe that. Some will pick & choose from verses, leaving much out & ignore context. If 1 reads the Bible in context, looks at Biblical history the truth of Scripture is there-not 1 word about 'gay' not 1. Jesus said nothing about gay.Do not take my word for it, read the Bible for yourself, the key 4 yourself. Not what John M or another say. If you are hurting there is The Trevor Project 866 4UTREVOR. It will get better.
You need to repent and stop spreading false lies. Stop using the Word of God to change its original meaning into something that you would like to interpret as. Repent. This is not me who is telling you; it is God. Read Romans 1:26-28
@iTrollYouHAHA Homosexuality is seeming barred by Mosaic Law, much of which, such as divorce, was contested by Christ leaving parts of the Law He didn't mention in question. Paul seems to condemn it in 1 Cor. but it is in reference to prostitution. Neither this nor the pagan orgy he mentioned in Rom. is reflective of all homosexual relations any more than the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her tears or David and Bathsheba's affair is of all heterosexuals unions.
Look to your heart and you will find that homosexuality is not a sin. Period.
Who gave us a conscience? Was it not God? Greater self-awareness on the part of homophobes will lead to the understanding that the root of their desire to deface God's image in gays and lesbians comes from their own sin and ignorance. It is not the Bible, whatever it says about gayness, that inspires their lust to assault the human spirit.
Ya know very well Mr Piper what Paul was writing about, and it wasn't about homosexual sin was it. No it was about sex acts to pagan gods, why don't you tell the entire story? Why don't you tell about the Bible in context? Why do you just pick and choose instead of telling about Jesus. What was it Jesus God said about homosexuality - oh ya, not 1 word, not 1 correct Mr Piper?
@chrisarchi you say Im trying to excuse sin - not true - I try to correct how we read the Bible, as homosexuality is not in the BIble, its not a sin, nor did God Jesus say 1 word about it, not 1 (thats why ya cant find the answer to ur question) Yet some Christians go on and on, about sin and use 7 Bible verses out of context to twist Holy Scripture. Someday all will see the truth of the Bible. Same as we did with burning witches not to long ago, but then I ask who will be next? The left handed
@chrisarchi Yes we are of different beliefs, I do not argue about the BIble or Holy Sprit or Holy Scripture, I just correct all the mis-information, and mis-reading, and mis-teaching that goes on in the name of Christianity and Jesus - what was it Jesus said about homos? oh not 1 word, really. . Gee do ya think Pastor John was ok with burning witches as we did in the recent past. Just wonder, cuz thats not much different then what he does with homosexuals is it?
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their alust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
@chicraig6421 1Corith 6: 7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
@chicraig6421 Since you are ignoring the fact there are a lot of places about sins like homosexual, I copied for you. I hope this help you see the Bible. Thanks.
@chrisarchi Wow thanks for what you think is the truth but is not. Really, if you read the Bible in context, (and as Jesus Christ for guidance) you will see all 7 verses have to do with; sex acts to please pagan gods (included man on man and women on women((not homosexuals)), boys as toys, castration and more), orgies, prostitution, boys as toys (common back then part of temple prostitutes), you will find noting there about homosexual orientation, what did Jesus say about this subject?
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
@iTrollYouHAHA Yep I read the Bible several of them several time. I have 6, one very old. Put them side by side verse to verse and they do not say the same thing, unless you read them in context, not just cherry picked verses.
Yes the unrighteous will not inherit, however if you are referring to 'the gays' well that is not a sin, its not in the Bible, nor did Jesus say 1 word about it. Oh its not in the big 10 either.
If they do not say the same thing, then that means one is contradictory is it not? Did Jesus "say" anything about masterbation? So I guess masterbation is not a sin either. It does not matter if its in the "big 10", all sins are vile to God. The entire Word of God is JESUS. That means EVERYTHING in it is written by God. Do you not understand?
Did you not read Romans 1:26-28? You keep on saying God loves me, but honestly can you say that you love God? If you truly loved God, you would obey his decrees; but since you refuse to repent and live in the light of the truth, you do not love God at all. Instead you try to paint an image of this all loving God who embraces everyone. No sir you have it all wrong. Masterbation is indeed a sin. Repent to Christ and turn from your wicked ways.
@iTrollYouHAHA Romas, if you knew the Bible you would know Paul was not talking about homosexuals, but about pagan sex acts usually performed in pagan temples to please their 'gods' including all kinds of sex acts castrations and worse. You really need to read the Bible in context and sturdy some. Did you get this verse wrong, nothing there about homosexuality, not 1 word
There is nothing to repent for re:homosexuality its not a sin, try as you will to make it one, its not.
First of all, masterbation is a sin period. Second of all, homosexuality is a sin. If you deny the Bible word for word then you are hopeless. May God try to change your wicked ways. I can quote more verses from the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin. Yea I do read the Bible in context...ironically the question should be addressed back at you? I do not try as I will to make it one, God states it is a sin. No dear clueless friend, the only reason why God (cont)
@iTrollYouHAHA Homosexuality yes....masturbation you cannot find a word about it...period.Stop adding rules where there is NO CLEAR BIBLICAL MANDATE!!Get off your high horse,and learn how to spell while you're at it.Self righteousness,pride,and judging others in anything less than a LOVING WAY are also sins,and no less so than homosexuality.
will tell the truth to that person even if the truth hurts! If I tell them something they want to hear, what their ears want to hear, that is not love. Do not expose yourself to the world and follow the path Christ wants you to live.
loves me is because the Father has sent his Son to die for my sins, which he tells me to repent of my wicked ways (which homosexuality, masterbation is a sin) and walk in the will of my Father. God does not love everyone get that straight.
@iTrollYouHAHA you are flat out wrong, homosexuality is not a sin, nor is masturbation. You may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same. Where is the love Jesus talked about and preached about in that?
@iTrollYouHAHA I read the Bible in context, you should do the same. Then you will see Paul in Romans is not speaking about homosexuality. Really stop with the crap Christianity, its cult like.
No you are turning it into a cult. GOD will never accept you as you are unless you willing to change for GOD. Unfortunately you have ears to hear and eyes to see but even still you are blind to the truth. If you don't conform to God's ways and continue on in your flesh, YOUR WAYS, do you honestly think GOD will accept you? NO. NEVER. As long as you abide in the flesh you shall NEVER seek him, you distorter of truth.
@iTrollYouHAHA Just how do you know what God will and will not accept. Are you speaking for God?
Unfortunately you do not or will not see the truth of Holy Scripture, partly because of the crap people like John P spew.
What exactly are MY WAYS?
God created me as He did you. God created me gay, as he has many, over many years. You may not like that, sorry, but thats the truth. God does not create us not to accept us. Where you get this stuff if crazy and yes cult like.
Yes I am speaking for God for God gave me the Holy Spirit to discern what is right and what is wrong. Just look at yourself getting offended. What exactly are YOUR WAYS? I will tell you YOUR WAYS. If I were to get a camera and record everything you have done in your life from birth till death, you would not like it all all for YOU AND I KNOW you practice wickedness. Same concept when GOD comes to judge us, he will EXPOSE YOU for all that you are for you have not (cont)
@iTrollYouHAHA Wow, you think you speak for God, That is dangerous, does you pastor you speak for God? That blew me away really.I think this is the 1st time I have communicated with someone who speaks for God. Or thinks they speak for God.
I guess there is no talking to someone like you who can speak for God, since you, like God, must know all see all, hear all. wow is that driving you crazy?
I guess I will only say one thing to someone who is speaking for God:
repented of your ways. Genuine Christians don't take offense at people judging them; they have nothing to hide or fear. We live in the LIGHT of JESUS CHRIST. God has not created you gay, and unfortunately you are overlooking Romans once more. How pathetic can you be? It is both troubling and saddening. Since YOU REFUSE to repent of your HOMOSEXUALITY, GOD GAVE YOU IN TO YOUR DESIRES BECAUSE you can careless about him. No God does not love everyone. God loves his followers.
@iTrollYouHAHA Wow, you think you speak for God, That is dangerous, does you pastor you speak for God? That blew me away really.I think this is the 1st time I have communicated with someone who speaks for God. Or thinks they speak for God.
I guess there is no talking to someone like you who can speak for God, since you, like God, must know all see all, hear all. wow is that driving you crazy?
I guess I will only say one thing to someone who is speaking for God:
If Paul is not speaking about homosexuality what is he speaking about? Tell me. I see your posts and even other Christians quote the verses that clearly do speak out against homosexuality. All your ranting on about is Paul is not speaking about it? Who are you kidding? " And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another.." That is what Paul is saying. Cannot get any more clearer than that. Repent and turn from your ways.
@chicraig6421 Lol uhh God smoked Soddom and Gomorrah for their many sins including homosexuality. Does God change what incurs His wrath? Sin incurs His anger. So homosexual sex, or any recreational sex is a sin. Buuuut I'm pretty sure you won't listen haha. God bless friend :)
how is spilling your seeds for the glory of God. What does the Bible teach? Do EVERYTHING for the glory of God. And masterbation is definitely not for the glory of God. Instead it leads to recklessness, no self control over one's flesh, and it almost ALWAYS relates to pornography. God is not only LOVE but HATE. Do you not realize that? I am not judging this man in a condescending manner, but I do so out of love so that he may repent. A person who cares for another person (cont)
God will judge me for being "self-righteous". How funny for you to quickly assume I have self-righteous arrogance. People keep on accusing others of what they do not know. Only thing I was pointing out was homosexuality and masterbation is a sin. I have no pride other than pride in Christ. And masterbation is a sin. Just because the Bible does not say it does not mean masterbation is not a sin. What a wicked generation, people want o come up with excuses to sin. Look guy (cont)
@chicraig6421 1Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.~that which is written in the 1st Chp. of Romans concerning this is Jesus Christ! nice try!
@ThomasBSenior I hope you are speaking to John P, cuz he sure fit the bill you posted. 1 Cor 14:37. I sure don't talk for Christ, as a matter of fact, Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuals, nor do the 10 laws written in stone, the only law of the OT Christians are to follow. All I do is try to un-twitst what crazies like John P preach and teach; some of which is hate. I don't think that is Christ like.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kind.
@squall274 Your question, - would He be pleased if you did it in His presence? - God is everywhere all the time. Would He be pleased, I don't God thinks like we do, so pleased is not a valid question to ask a human.
God made homosexuals same as he made bi-sexulas, and heterosexuals. Why people question what God put on earth is beyond me. The only difference between homo and heterosexuals is who they fall in love with.
God loves all His kids, all, includes the homosexuals.
@thirdimpact It (the BIble) does describe same sex acts, not homosexuality Same sex acts to please pagan gods, prostitution, boys as toys (pederasty) common back in Rome they thought sperm from young men (prostitutes,toys) would keep them viral
Homosexuals fall in love the same as heterosexuals, there is no difference and no sin
If anyone would like to know the context of the only 7 verses in the Bible re:homosexuality, I'll be glad to help you out. Oh Jesus said not 1 word about 'the gay'
@chicraig6421 No. It's describing the act of homosexuality. Which is a sin. No worse than any other sin, but no less a sin. To say it's only wrong if used in a pagan ritual is to add to the text. God sanctioned sex is between a man and a woman within marriage. Anything else is outside of God's design. The reason is theological. The man is the image of Christ, and woman is the image of the Church. If confused it, confuses the image of the Trinitarian God has given. Read Ephesian 5.
@thirdimpact I guess u did not understand what I wrote, and u are not reading the Bible in context. Paul was writing about homosexual acts, not homosexuality. Until you understand that, read the Bible in context, u will continue to call homosexuality a sin when it is clearly not
God saved my life, and he made me what I am a homosexual, same as my partner-both males. FYI we were married in Iowa, in a Christian Church, by a Christian minister, in front of God. Loving is not a sin, nor in being gay
@chicraig6421 I understand exactly what you're saying. You're just wrong. You are exercising a hermeneutic that has allowed you to pursue a life of sin and reconcile it in your mind with your idolatrous image of God. Do you think that the Christians of the past were so stupid that they weren't able to understand it correctly until you were able to give the "correct", gay-affirming interpretation?
@thirdimpact Let me add something here, I was saved by Christ as was my same sex partner; he was a Pentecostal traveled the word to preach. We both turned to Christ for help, & Christ saved both of us. I understand where u are coming from. When 1 is in a relationship (we are married-Iowa), 1 has sex-the way God made us. Its human to have needs & urges, which if 1 picks & chooses would be a sin, like Piper does. I believe u r a devout Christian, as I pray I am. Teach like Jesus taught not Piper
@chicraig6421 Calling it marriage doesn't make it marriage. Holding the ceremony in a building called a church doesn't make it a marriage. Caring and affection does not justify your relationship. Marriage is between a man and a woman, because the man is the image of Christ, and the woman is the image of Christ. You say you're devoutly Christian, but that is the only faith I suspect you can have. One built on works.
@thirdimpact Sorry again, the Sate of Iowa makes it a marriage - same sex.
Oh I should tell you, there are churches that kick us out. Yep so called Christian Churches kicking people out. I think what Jesus wanted was to bring the flock in.
I will not attend a gay bashing, hate filled church, nor should any Christian.
@chicraig6421 So because the government recognizes the act as being okay, that undoes the plain reading of scripture? The Bible says Thou shalt not murder, but because the state condones abortion, that same thinking says it's okay, and we need to look at things within context.
God loves to save sinners, but you refuse to recognize what sin is. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
@thirdimpact I, as USA citizens and all USA citizens should according to the USA Constitution (14 Amendment for 1)-separte Church and State. So yes to equal marriage rights-and yes I was married same sex, in Iowa.
The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. No verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed relationships. Now look up David & Jonathan's union. The Bible does allow for polygamy, concubines, women treated as property-correct?
@thirdimpact What the Bible does say God can help us see new things where we were blind God inspires us to use the covenantal pledge of fidelity between two women, Ruth and Naomi the 2nd most-read Bible passage at weddings. The 1st is 1 Corinthians 13, the ode to love. When we know same gender couples whose marriages & whose service in our communities epitomize the qualities of love captured by the Apostle Paul, we must stand up for the revelation that God has inspired us to see
@chicraig6421 Also, it seems more than a few people have pointed out your error, but you insist everyone else is not taking the Bible in context. I submit to you that you're really not reading it in context, and if we have a discussion, I'll try to break this down for you as well. You can tell us we're not taking the Bible in context, however, we also read the Bible and we disagree with you. I believe church history also agrees with us and I believe the Bible plainly agrees with us as well.
@BethelShual Let me corrected you you said - a few people have pointed out my error - actually I have pointed out their error and will continue to try and un-twist Holy Scripture.
I agree with you we disagree, and looks like we always will. I take my Church and 'brand' of Christianity any day over crap preacher. My Church takes in all - thats all no matter, no one is turned away for any reason - kind of Christ like don't ya think?
@chicraig6421 Actually, the Bible teaches the church to practice church discipline, to put out those who are unruly and who will not listen to rebuke. We actually aren't supposed to just keep all manner of people who do not want God in our church with those who do. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. It's one example of how heresies like yours have started, honestly.
@chicraig6421 If you think it's Christ like to just accept sinners, instead of warning them of their lost condition and telling them to repent and believe? You horribly misunderstand Jesus, the Gospel and how Jesus lived as well as His own words. Check out Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-9; Matthew 12:22-45; Matthew 23:13-36; John 8 (entire chapter) as just a few places as to how Jesus really is. Yes, Jesus is merciful: to whom, though? Those who repent and believe. Few will enter Heaven (Luke 13:23, 24).
@BethelShual Show in the Gospels which is only record of Christ's teaching that Christ preached against gays. You will not find it. The Church has been preaching gay as a sin for 2,000 years and that's a total out right lie. You claim verses you don't even know what they even mean or what the original language says. The only gospel that mention gays is the Gnostic Gospel of Mark where Christ spends the night with a gay person. The text is incomplete to even try to understand what it means.
@chicraig6421 Your ideas are modern ideas. 2000 years of church history, you think they've all been wrong and somehow you've had a new revelation of God that says it's not sinful? Wisdom does not begin with our generation and it certainly won't end with it. Though the actual word homosexual is rather new, the idea that same sex relationships are sin (not simply as pagan worship but just the acts themselves) is very historical, as far as I understand.
@BethelShual I agree same sex relationships are not new, there some in the Bilbe -read it you will find them, read in context. However, the Bible never speaks of homosexuals, but homosexual sex acts-there is a difference.Homosexuals, same as heterosexuals, fall in love have relationships and all the rest, again there are some in the BIble. Im going to post some of the 2000 years of Christian history and lets see what is right / wrong.
@chicraig6421 Can you give me some examples of same sex relationships in the Bible? I have heard of Jonathan and David as well as Ruth and Naomi, both of which context will show are not homosexual relationships nor were ever claimed to be in the Bible. I point this out in my link, if you would go to it. If you can give me any other supposed relationships to look into, that would be great.
@BethelShual your argument 2000 years of church history:
Bible used to: defend bloody crusades, inquisitions, support slavery, apartheid, segregation, to persecute Jews, to support Hitler's 3rd Reich, to oppose medical science, condemn interracial marriage, execute women as witches, and I could go on.
So the Bible interpretations change, as is the idea that homosexuality is a sin.Homosexuality is not even in the Bible-homosexual acts are, not homosexuality.
@chicraig6421 The Crusades were done by Catholics, not Christians. Inquisitions not done by Christians, slavery (depending on what you mean by it) is not condemned in the Bible (in fact there are instructions given to slaves and how they should act and Christian masters aren't told not to have them), apartheid is also not Christian nor segregation. Jews should not be persecuted, any "Christians" who did this were in error or not Christian. Support for Hitler, also not Christian.
@chicraig6421 To oppose medical science, I think that depends on what you mean by "medical science" and again, depending, there is nothing that opposes medical science Biblically, therefore, true Christians shouldn't do this. Condemning interracial marriage, also a twisting of Scripture, it is not condemned. Executing women as witches, real Christians shouldn't or didn't do this: the Law says to stone, Jesus did away with this penalty.
@chicraig6421 You say the Bible interpretations change. Men may interpret them differently, SLIGHTLY, though main points? No, no they don't. Heretics differ majorly as a lifestyle, but not true Christians. Also, even with differences in interpretation, the Bible is still true and, regardless of error in interpretation, what it says is still true.
So, your point could really only be that men make mistakes, not the Bible. The Bible says the homosexual relationship is a sin. Plainly.
@chicraig6421 Also, if you feel the Bible can't be interpreted properly (interpretations change, they're not reliable, etc.) then what basis do you have to say the way you are interpreting the Bible right now is correct? The basis I have is context, other Scriptural support as well as solid Biblical Christians, Pastors and about 2,000 years of church history. What do you have to back your claim that you are correct?
@thirdimpact What is the authentic message of Christ for us? Jesus put us here 2,000 yrs past since He died on Golgatha since He rose from the dead Essentially I'm walking away from the complex religious interpretations of Christianity that churches teach, I will not walk away from my personal spirituality & relationship with Christ. I do not want to be associated with Churches that kicks out Homosexuals, or anyone in need or preaches fear. Not what Jesus intended.
@thethikboy Any sex outside of heterosexual marriage is perverted sex ("God displeasing sex"). Which is what Piper is talking about. Homosexuality is a an extreme, but heterosexual fornicating is no less wrong.
I see it more talking about cult practices, and group orgies.
as well as men that have been with or been married to a woman in the past, and then leaving that behind for pagan sexual practices. I see this verse used alot, but i personally do not see it as a anti-homosexaulity but rather speaking against cults, animal worship and sexual rituals. no mention of committed loving same gender relationships.
@wirelesspeace07 As a Christian you should know Lev died with Jesus on the Cross, He said that, not me, its in the Bible (while homosexuality is not in the Bible). Rom, Tim, Cor again as a Christian you should khnow have to do with orgies, sex to pagan gods, boys as toys (common back then as youthful sperm give one strength-history), castration (Im sure gays love that one). Really-read the Bible in contest, ask Jesus for guidance, learn. Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible.
Romans 1:26 - That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
@Ghumdul Really u need help with the Bible. Romas, if you knew the Bible you would know Paul was not talking about homosexuals, but about pagan sex acts usually performed in pagan temples to please their 'gods' including all kinds of sex acts including castrations and worse. You really need to read the Bible in context and sturdy some history. Man did you get this verse wrong, nothing there about homosexuality, not 1 word. Cor is similar not talking about homosexuals but prostitution
If the ONLY proof that homosexuality is any more harmful, or any less natural, or any less potentially good, than heterosexuality, is some chanted Doctrinal litany, some old text, or some assumed-premise prejudice (& that really IS all there is!), then this "Homosexuality-is-a-Sin" crap needs to be discarded in favour of some REAL Truth & Love!!!
@chrisarchi being a homosexual isnt a sin any more than heterosexual. its how GOD made us. being a heterosexual isnt a state of mind and neither is homosexuality. sinning isnt who we are, its what we do. and sinning is mans word, not GODs.
@dorianstark1970 -You sound like pedophiles, or people who engage in beastality. "God made me this way." Or, "I just love children/animals." Homosexuals, adulterers, and fornicators make lifestyle choices.
@ndependentwoman -Because pedophiles and people who engage in beastality all make the same claims as gays-"It's not my fault, I was born this way."Don't you get it? Just because you have an urge doesn't mean you follow through and commit the act.
@ndependentwoman yourt comment shows just how edcated you are. so , when exactly did you decide to be straight???? also, educated yourself or if you cant read, ask someone who has sense to educate you. you hAVE A long way to go.
@dorianstark1970 -CORRECTION I also added,"... adulterers and fornicators..."(heterosexuals) in the comment. Didn't they choose to be fornicators and adulterers? PEOPLE MAKE LIFESTYLE CHOICES-ACCEPT IT! Finally your poor; comprehension skills, spelling, and awful grammar are clear indications of YOUR educational level.
@chrisarchi You are flat out wrong - why - homosexuality is not in the Bible, so its not a sin. Jesus said not 1 word about it. Really get your Bible facts correct.
@chrisarchi I have not only read the Bible but studied it Im old. Also studied Greek & Hebrew for better understand. I have 6 Bibles not one when lined up verse to verse say the same thing - will the real Bible please stand up as all are the word of God-can't be. Thats why u need to read the Bible in context. If you do you will see homosexuality is not in the Bible and is not a sin. You will also see on this so so important topic for some Christians - Jesus God said not 1 word on Homosexuality
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John Piper what you preach/teach is so wrong, its flat out wrong You sound so gentle yet you are so vile so self righteous You are not Jesus like at all, look in the mirror, what so you see?
Homosexuality is not in the Bible, it is not a sin. Yet you continue with your veiled hate, fear and crap Christianly. What would Jesus say? In the OT you would be a whore. Jesus was not into behavior modification, no God made gay people same as he made you. And ya know what Mr Piper, God loves all His kids
chicraig6421 19 minutes ago
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Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Commandments nor did Jesus say one word about it. He DID 100% condemn the leaders of organized religion & their fanatican followers!
7 verses in the entire Bible mention gay sex; references to male prostitution, concubines & wild hedonism (using men & boys as sex toys), all common in the ancient world.
Being gay is NOT a sin, nor do gay sex acts have ANY religious context of themselves
chicraig6421 3 days ago
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
chicraig6421 3 days ago
It's unfortunate that the current translations of Romans appears to speak of gay sex. Is the inference here - that gays are more lusty than straight persons? It must be, if Piper's reading is correct. God giving them over to their lusts. What isn't noted is that the temple rite included heterosexual sex as well. So by this perverted logic straight sex is condemned also.
thethikboy 5 days ago
Leviticus 18:22
xCrucifyTheFleshx 1 week ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Lev died with Jesus on the cross, we are living in a period of grace.
If you believe Lev lives, when was the last time you stoned anyone. Ya know Newt Gingrich would fit into the stoning category according to Lev.
If Lev lies when was the last time you sacrificed a goat and did u do it correctly?
Really Lev, try the other 6 verses if you wish.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Are you an Old Testament Jew? If so follow the six hundred laws - but don't preach it to me. It was based on that Law that the Pharisees delivered up Jesus to be crucified.
thethikboy 4 days ago
@thethikboy Homosexuality is also condemned in the new testament. There is no way a person can rationally defend that sexual orientation choice from the bible.
xCrucifyTheFleshx 4 days ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx You assume that because you were told by homophobes posing as Christians, not proper biblical scholars. There was no concept of homosexuality in Jesus's culture. Yes there were people of the same gender who had sex because of mutual attraction, but there was no name for it as an orientation, namely homosexuality. Your reading modern biases into a culture you know nothing about and claiming it is of divine origin - very dangerous and presumptuous
thethikboy 3 days ago
@thethikboy Let's go right to what the bible has said, shall we: ''For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 54 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 55 and were inflamed in their passions 56 for one another. Men 57 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. - Romans 1:26-27.
xCrucifyTheFleshx 3 days ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx - you are basing your whole Christian faith on one mis-understood verse
The fact that you cling to this pretext for persecution , self-righteousness and hatred proves that you also misunderstand the rest of the New Testament
Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
thethikboy 2 days ago
@thethikboy It appears you don't even understand the scripture you just posted. Paul was talking about hypocrites passing judgement for sins which they also commit. Well, I do not live a homosexual lifestyle so... You have a chance now to repent, don't leave it until too late.
xCrucifyTheFleshx 2 days ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx You don't live as a homosexual because you are not homosexual,poor stupid idiot...
Fuck,christians are so stupid.....
minou356 8 hours ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx There is nothing wrong with homosexuality.It is between two consensual adult.They do nothing wrong to other people.
YOU,you love to hurt people,you love to judge and condemn them...YOU are the evil person here...
By the way,your stupid,cruel,filthy god is not real....so stop bother homosexuals with your hate,nasty christian.....
minou356 8 hours ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx That paul is a hypocrite....he make these verse because he knew some people will find that christianity is a fraud,so he prevent it......But it's still a fraud,a scam....
minou356 8 hours ago
@minou356 If Christianity is a fraud like you say, than how is it the only Holy book which accurately prophesied the fall of empires, Israel's formation, and the rise of this NWO that we see today? My friend, your rage stems from the fact that in your heart you know Jesus is true, and you don't want to give up your homosexual lifestyle. If this was a scam, you wouldn't have reacted in such a hostile way. Seek truth and you will find it, and have the power to overcome your homosexual urges.......
xCrucifyTheFleshx 6 hours ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Sin is sin; being homosexual is not a sin.
Seek the truth of Holy Scripture, read the Bible in context. Stop listening to the crap Christians preaches, and listen to Jesus. John Piper so self righteous and so wrong; but he gets paid to preach crap. Wonder what Jesus would say about him. In the OT he would be a whore would he not?
God loves all His kids, including the Gay kind.
chicraig6421 3 hours ago
@chicraig6421 Listen mate, it's not a sin to have homosexual attractions as it often results of environmental upbringing and it's not the persons fault. However, pursuing a homosexual lifestyle IS sin. The bible is so clear on this, I don't understand why you're arguing. I don't hate homosexuals like minou356 is claiming, I just wouldn't want to see you guys deceived by Satan on what is pleasing to God. Jesus bless you!
xCrucifyTheFleshx 2 hours ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Well mate no may not believe or want to believe but God made homosexuals, and he made me who I am. There is no fault unless u are faulting God. Being homosexual is no more a sin then being heterosexual (or less for that matter), sin is sin and both sin alike the only difference is who why fall in love with. Surprise. Again unless you think God made an error when he put homosexuals in His earth, you are in error. There is no satan in my life.
And thank, God bless you as well
chicraig6421 20 minutes ago
@thethikboy Here is another: ''Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.'' Well, this couldn't be more crystal clear. Practicing homosexuals will be cast into the lake of fire. Please people read the Bible instead of listening to liberal feel-good preachers.
xCrucifyTheFleshx 3 days ago
@thethikboy Btw, that last verse was Jude 1:7
xCrucifyTheFleshx 3 days ago
@xCrucifyTheFleshx Religion is a mental illness....
Take your medication,nasty christian....
minou356 8 hours ago
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God NEVER says being gay is a sin. Ever. The Bible doesn't say, either. Ever. You bet your LIFE it's hate to tell someone that the way God created them, which they did not choose and can not change is a sin. Telling people they go to "hell" for being gay is destroying lives and killing people, you CANNOT ignore the suffering it causes and pretend to give a damn about them. It IS hate. You're NOT "responsible" by threatening gay people with the vicious lie of them going to 'hell".
chicraig6421 1 week ago
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God NEVER says being gay is a sin. Ever. The Bible doesn't say, either. Ever. You bet your LIFE it's hate to tell someone that the way God created them, which they did not choose and can not change is a sin. Telling people they go to "hell" for being gay is destroying lives and killing people, you CANNOT ignore the suffering it causes and pretend to give a damn about them. It IS hate. You're NOT "responsible" by threatening gay people with the vicious lie of them going to 'hell".
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 The Bible plainly says, both in context and historically, that homosexuality is a sin. Romans 1:26, 27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 and 1 Timothy 1:10 are places to look at. We also read the Bible and this is what we see it saying, it's how others have translated the words, people I trust more with the language and understanding of it than I do you, and historically how Christianity has seen it and interpreted it.
Again, can you give me any reason to believe you?
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShual Man is a Religious Animal He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion- several of them He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself & cuts his throat if his theology isnt straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness & heaven ~Mark Twain
If your doctrine of sin causes you to condemn people and discriminate against them NEEDLESSLY I suggest you change your doctrine
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago 8
@chicraig6421 Was it hatred in Jesus when He tells people that, unless they repent, they will likewise perish? Men are born naturally evil, so it's wrong for God to say they are going to Hell because they are evil? Men are born evil and by their own evil nature they choose evil. Men really are evil and we really do deserve Hell. God is good; men are evil. God is just and good, so He must punish evil. If men are evil, what must God do with us, if He is indeed just?
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShua What is the authentic message of Christ for us? Jesus put us here 2,000 yrs past since He died on Golgatha since He rose from the dead.Essentially I'm walking away from the complex religious interpretations of Christianity that churches teach, I will not walked away from my personal spirituality & relationship with Christ. I do not want to be associated with Churches that kicks out Homosexuals or preaches fear. Not what Jesus intended.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago 2
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@chicraig6421 You say "Telling people they go to "hell" for being gay is destroying lives and killing people, you CANNOT ignore the suffering it causes and pretend to give a damn about them. It IS hate. You're NOT "responsible" by threatening gay people with the vicious lie of them going to 'hell"." Let me bring up a story to you.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Let's say a woman and her son go to the doctor. Now, when they see the doctor, the doctor discovers the woman has cancer. However, because he doesn't want to make her feel bad or scared or worried or any other negative thing, he just tells her she is okay. So, she leaves the hospital, fully assured in her false hope which has been given to her, and she and her son go out to eat. Did the doctor do anything good here? Was it right?
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShualI f you were a Christian you would not have a problem with anything I write. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and the only people whom Jesus condemned to hell were people just like you - the "scribes and Pharisees" who picked out a few Bible verses to justify their prejudices and condemnation. Jesus said that you show your love for God by your love for your fellow man, Gay people are your fellow man, too. But your heart is full of hate and prejudice
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 The truth is what the woman needs to hear. She IS sick. She really DOES have cancer. If she is told? It may make her cry. It may ruin her day. It may ruin her week. It may tear her to pieces. I mean, she was planning to go out to eat with her son, so now her plans are all ruined. However, the truth NEEDS to be told, so she KNOWS her condition and now she can pursue treatment; now she can try to be cured.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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Did I tell you I am married to my same sex partner, married in Davenport Iowa that great honey moon destination. Oh and married in a Christian (a ture Christian) Church, by a real live Christian preacher. Ya see, homosexuals are not an abomination, can't be God created us. I'v been with my partner for almost 17 years, gee longer than many marriages I know of. Ya see, we were born gay, the way God created us-really
BethelShual
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 This is exactly how it is with your lost condition: you are dead in your sin. You are on your way to Hell, for the sin you love and choose to practice. You don't want God; your god is your pleasure. This truth may hurt. You may hate it. However, now that I am telling you your condition? If you will accept it? There is a way out. There is only one method of treatment. Repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. He is your ONLY hope. The only hope to be saved from God's wrath.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShual The most important thing is that GOD clearly proves that being gay is okay, and that's all that counts. Ignorant men may flail around and stomp their feet in fury at the Lord's decision to create, love, and keep His gay children right here on His planet, as part of His divine plan, but it will never get them anywhere. Gay is okay according to the Lord. Why argue with Him?
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Now, when you're told your condition, you can cup your hands over your ears and shout and yell; you can say "It's not true, it's not true! Hate, hate, hate!". However, just like someone with cancer, this will not make your condition any less real. You really do not know Jesus and because you don't believe, you are under God's wrath. You are condemned already. If only you will come to Christ, you can be SAVED from this wrath you are under.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShualWhat you really mean is that anyone who disgrees with you isn't a TRUE Christian. That's the exact line of reasoning used by the Inquisition to justify torturing & burning Protestants at the stake, and by Protestants to justify tortring & killing Catholics. That's what the "good Christians" of Carthage, IL used to justify the murder of Joseph Smith.
That's exactly what our Founders opposed when they set up the seperation of church & state
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 God really does love you. He loves all men. He loved the whole world so much that He sent His Son, Jesus, that whoever would believe in Him would be saved. He commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and to believe in Jesus Christ. All of the food and gladness and joy you get, the rain and sunshine you feel, every good thing in your life, even your very breath and life? These are mercies God gives to everyone. Don't reject Him here. Don't hide your sin anymore.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShual Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 As thirdimpact pointed out to you, God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Don't hide your sin, but confess it. He is faithful to forgive sin. If only you will admit that you are a sinner, that you have sinned against Him; if only you will repent and believe in Christ to save you from the wrath you deserve. No amount of morality or church going or religion will save you; no amount of works can save you. Only faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@BethelShual Homosexuality is not a sin.
And I agree with you, Christ will save you, he save me.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 1 Timothy 1:9-11
CaesarsDecree 1 week ago
@CaesarsDecree Tim is not Christ speaking is he? No he is not. Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuals did He. No Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuals. So why do you twist Holy Scripture. None of the 7 verses used to say homosexuality is a sin, actually say that, none of them. Yet you will twist them to say they do, why is that? Piper twists and turns, the bigot, who seems to be obsessed with this topic is he gay?
God loves all His kids including the gay kind and even Piper
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Your hatred and bitterness is apparent. ("Do not hate" - Jesus). Jesus didn't say anything about bestiality, masturbation, polygamy, war crimes, or terrorism EITHER, yet all are sins. Jesus was a Jew, who followed the Jewish Law. IN THE JEWISH LAW: HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. Perhaps you should read scriptures instead of claiming others twist it. John Piper is one of the greatest pastors of our generation. You are ignorant.
CaesarsDecree 1 week ago
@CaesarsDecree My hatred and bitterness is apparent. Really did u look at this vid. I do not hate. You twist what I say. Homosexuality is not a sin, perhaps you and Piper should read Holy Scripture in context. There is no difference between heterosexual and homosexual sin. The only difference is who they fall in love with.
The Bible clearly says homosexual acts (think prison) are sin, not homosexuality there is a difference Homosexual acts committed by heterosexuals, are sin in the Bible
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 No. I'm sorry. You're just flat wrong. You function on a faulty notion of what the Bible is and what it says. Homosexuality IS a sin, as much as all other sins that the Bible CLEARLY dictates.
CaesarsDecree 1 week ago
@CaesarsDecree I totally disagree with you and Piper on homosexuality being a sin. It is not.
Homosexuality is not in the Bible. Homosexual acts are - think prison inmates - that is not homosexuality but homosexual acts. Homosexuals fall in love same as heterosexual, no difference except who they love., and both sin the same, no difference, none. Really read the Bible in context.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
chicraig6421 is speaking lies. I'm assuming he has already been confronted with the verses and the context in the Bible. I recently had an argument with another one of these guys who twist up the Bible to justify their homosexuality, I looked into the words used, context, etc. If anyone would like to know more, just contact me or click the lower link on my profile. I compiled a few things in there to check out.
BethelShual 3 weeks ago
@BethelShual Since you looked into the words and context and call me a liar, let me ask u when was the first time the actual word homosexual appeared in any Bible anywhere?
Before being re and mis translated what was the translation of these 2 Greek words:
'malaokois, and 'arsenokoitali'?
Lets see who is twisting the Bible.
I can't wait to hear ur response since you have studied this all important Christian topic-homosexuality.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kind.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 The character cap on here is annoying. If we're going to have a long discussion, contact me in a message or on one of my other links. Also, some things you may ask could be answered right away, if you'd only take the time to check out the link I suggested. This conversation we may have, if you're willing to, may simply add to it.
Also, God does love all men, however, not everyone is His child. 1 John 3:4-10 shows those who practice sin are not. They are children of Satan.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@BethelShual How can you have it both ways? God created all, but all are not HIs.
So God loves all His kids, except sinners, so we all sin so God loves no one - that is your logic, and its sick.
God created all, and loves all.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 God loves to save sinners. There are many in heaven who have repented of the sin of homosexuality, or adultery, or pornography, or pedophilia, or murder, or blasphemy, or hatred, or pride. But God will not accept anyone who demands of God to accept their sin. God commands the whole world to repent.
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact I would really like to know A: how you know how many are in heaven?
B: where you get the idea homosexuality is a sin, its not in the Bible, homosexual acts are but not homosexuality?
C: I agree we are all sinners, and need to repent for our sins (Homosexuality is not a sin)
None of the 7 verses you will site talk about homosexuality, homosexual acts yes, that is not homosexuality.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kind.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 A lifestyle of sin is a lifestyle inclined to repeatedly commit a sin and justify it. Thus, calling yourself married to another man, after having a wedding in a building called a church would be a lifestyle of homosexuality. And you have attacked John Piper, myself, and all the Christians who went before who understand homosexuality as a sin, to tell them their wrong, and you know better. God resists the proud.
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 You show here that you can't accept what the Bible says. I just gave you 1 John 3:4-10 and then you're arguing with me as if it's something I said. It's not my opinion, it's what the Bible says; it's what God says. Not everyone is a child of God. Read it. That's what it says. You're not helping your case, seeing as you ignore other plain Biblical text in favor of your own opinions, bias and worldview. If you do it here, why not with homosexuality?
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
Despite the fact we have medicine, transport, technology among a whole plethora of useful things science has bought us in this age, people would rather reject all that and believe in some incoherent being that allegedly surrounds us - but if we cannot sense him, as can none of our instruments then can anyone justify him being there?
I'm not going to worry about displeasing a man who does not exist. That is tantamount to an anorexic not eating because they fear fat-hips that don't exist.
alexdoccy1 3 weeks ago
@alexdoccy1 p.s. Watched the video, and if God's wrath proclaims itself in allowing sin to happen then surely he is a powerless and pointless being? "I have the power to create the universe but I can't stop something I don't like from happening in it because it is my own wrath which enables stuff I don't like to occur first place"
What a load.
alexdoccy1 3 weeks ago
I am so sick of this bullshit. God hates fags, God hates this, God hates that. YOU hate everything you prescribe to God. YOU ARE THE FUCKING HATER. Face that fact and work on yourself instead of pawning everything off on God. God does not exist. Stop with these myths, grow up and be adults already. Contribute a few brain cells to solving the AIDS epidemic instead of wasting your time and mine misreading the fucking Bible. Kids these days.
Pundit2k 1 month ago
@Pundit2k YES PRECISELY. "God" is the embodiment of the selfish and hateful men who created him, although I do believe in God, somewhere, out there. not the one religion created.
BeauG92 1 month ago
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Mr. Piper, you may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same.
If anyone is feeling hurt or in distress because of the crap this nut is spewing, you can call the Trevor Project-866 4UTREVOR. Don't do anything rash, God loves you. Some like Piper preach hate, they need help. I know and you will someday as well they are flat out wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible. Check it out, Jesus said not 1 word about gays, not 1.
God Bless
chicraig6421 1 month ago
There are some Christians that think being homosexual is a sin; I do not believe that. Some will pick & choose from verses, leaving much out & ignore context. If 1 reads the Bible in context, looks at Biblical history the truth of Scripture is there-not 1 word about 'gay' not 1. Jesus said nothing about gay.Do not take my word for it, read the Bible for yourself, the key 4 yourself. Not what John M or another say. If you are hurting there is The Trevor Project 866 4UTREVOR. It will get better.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
You need to repent and stop spreading false lies. Stop using the Word of God to change its original meaning into something that you would like to interpret as. Repent. This is not me who is telling you; it is God. Read Romans 1:26-28
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
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@iTrollYouHAHA Homosexuality is seeming barred by Mosaic Law, much of which, such as divorce, was contested by Christ leaving parts of the Law He didn't mention in question. Paul seems to condemn it in 1 Cor. but it is in reference to prostitution. Neither this nor the pagan orgy he mentioned in Rom. is reflective of all homosexual relations any more than the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her tears or David and Bathsheba's affair is of all heterosexuals unions.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
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Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and Lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
Look to your heart and you will find that homosexuality is not a sin. Period.
Who gave us a conscience? Was it not God? Greater self-awareness on the part of homophobes will lead to the understanding that the root of their desire to deface God's image in gays and lesbians comes from their own sin and ignorance. It is not the Bible, whatever it says about gayness, that inspires their lust to assault the human spirit.
roxykattx 3 months ago
Ya know very well Mr Piper what Paul was writing about, and it wasn't about homosexual sin was it. No it was about sex acts to pagan gods, why don't you tell the entire story? Why don't you tell about the Bible in context? Why do you just pick and choose instead of telling about Jesus. What was it Jesus God said about homosexuality - oh ya, not 1 word, not 1 correct Mr Piper?
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chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chrisarchi you say Im trying to excuse sin - not true - I try to correct how we read the Bible, as homosexuality is not in the BIble, its not a sin, nor did God Jesus say 1 word about it, not 1 (thats why ya cant find the answer to ur question) Yet some Christians go on and on, about sin and use 7 Bible verses out of context to twist Holy Scripture. Someday all will see the truth of the Bible. Same as we did with burning witches not to long ago, but then I ask who will be next? The left handed
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@chrisarchi Yes we are of different beliefs, I do not argue about the BIble or Holy Sprit or Holy Scripture, I just correct all the mis-information, and mis-reading, and mis-teaching that goes on in the name of Christianity and Jesus - what was it Jesus said about homos? oh not 1 word, really. . Gee do ya think Pastor John was ok with burning witches as we did in the recent past. Just wonder, cuz thats not much different then what he does with homosexuals is it?
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chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 Genesis
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 Roman
24 Wherefore God also agave them up to buncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God agave them up unto bvile caffections: for even their dwomen did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 27
Roman 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their alust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 1Corith 6: 7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 Since you are ignoring the fact there are a lot of places about sins like homosexual, I copied for you. I hope this help you see the Bible. Thanks.
chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chrisarchi Wow thanks for what you think is the truth but is not. Really, if you read the Bible in context, (and as Jesus Christ for guidance) you will see all 7 verses have to do with; sex acts to please pagan gods (included man on man and women on women((not homosexuals)), boys as toys, castration and more), orgies, prostitution, boys as toys (common back then part of temple prostitutes), you will find noting there about homosexual orientation, what did Jesus say about this subject?
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:9
I hope this helps you see the Bible. Thanks.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Yep I read the Bible several of them several time. I have 6, one very old. Put them side by side verse to verse and they do not say the same thing, unless you read them in context, not just cherry picked verses.
Yes the unrighteous will not inherit, however if you are referring to 'the gays' well that is not a sin, its not in the Bible, nor did Jesus say 1 word about it. Oh its not in the big 10 either.
God loves you and all HIs kids.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
If they do not say the same thing, then that means one is contradictory is it not? Did Jesus "say" anything about masterbation? So I guess masterbation is not a sin either. It does not matter if its in the "big 10", all sins are vile to God. The entire Word of God is JESUS. That means EVERYTHING in it is written by God. Do you not understand?
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Why do you twist my words? I agree sin is sin, but homosexuality is not a sin. Oh and masturbation, you are correct it is not a sin.
God loves you and all HIs kids, that would include homosexuals. (sorry if ya don;t like it)
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
Did you not read Romans 1:26-28? You keep on saying God loves me, but honestly can you say that you love God? If you truly loved God, you would obey his decrees; but since you refuse to repent and live in the light of the truth, you do not love God at all. Instead you try to paint an image of this all loving God who embraces everyone. No sir you have it all wrong. Masterbation is indeed a sin. Repent to Christ and turn from your wicked ways.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Romas, if you knew the Bible you would know Paul was not talking about homosexuals, but about pagan sex acts usually performed in pagan temples to please their 'gods' including all kinds of sex acts castrations and worse. You really need to read the Bible in context and sturdy some. Did you get this verse wrong, nothing there about homosexuality, not 1 word
There is nothing to repent for re:homosexuality its not a sin, try as you will to make it one, its not.
And yes God loves u
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
First of all, masterbation is a sin period. Second of all, homosexuality is a sin. If you deny the Bible word for word then you are hopeless. May God try to change your wicked ways. I can quote more verses from the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin. Yea I do read the Bible in context...ironically the question should be addressed back at you? I do not try as I will to make it one, God states it is a sin. No dear clueless friend, the only reason why God (cont)
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Homosexuality yes....masturbation you cannot find a word about it...period.Stop adding rules where there is NO CLEAR BIBLICAL MANDATE!!Get off your high horse,and learn how to spell while you're at it.Self righteousness,pride,and judging others in anything less than a LOVING WAY are also sins,and no less so than homosexuality.
orangewizard 1 month ago
@orangewizard
will tell the truth to that person even if the truth hurts! If I tell them something they want to hear, what their ears want to hear, that is not love. Do not expose yourself to the world and follow the path Christ wants you to live.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA BS...........
orangewizard 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
loves me is because the Father has sent his Son to die for my sins, which he tells me to repent of my wicked ways (which homosexuality, masterbation is a sin) and walk in the will of my Father. God does not love everyone get that straight.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA you are flat out wrong, homosexuality is not a sin, nor is masturbation. You may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same. Where is the love Jesus talked about and preached about in that?
b very careful what you say.
God loves all His kids, including 'the gay'
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
Let me ask you a question. What do you see when you read Romans 1:26-28? Or do you just skip over that particular verse and move on.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA I read the Bible in context, you should do the same. Then you will see Paul in Romans is not speaking about homosexuality. Really stop with the crap Christianity, its cult like.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
No you are turning it into a cult. GOD will never accept you as you are unless you willing to change for GOD. Unfortunately you have ears to hear and eyes to see but even still you are blind to the truth. If you don't conform to God's ways and continue on in your flesh, YOUR WAYS, do you honestly think GOD will accept you? NO. NEVER. As long as you abide in the flesh you shall NEVER seek him, you distorter of truth.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Just how do you know what God will and will not accept. Are you speaking for God?
Unfortunately you do not or will not see the truth of Holy Scripture, partly because of the crap people like John P spew.
What exactly are MY WAYS?
God created me as He did you. God created me gay, as he has many, over many years. You may not like that, sorry, but thats the truth. God does not create us not to accept us. Where you get this stuff if crazy and yes cult like.
God loves all His kids.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
Yes I am speaking for God for God gave me the Holy Spirit to discern what is right and what is wrong. Just look at yourself getting offended. What exactly are YOUR WAYS? I will tell you YOUR WAYS. If I were to get a camera and record everything you have done in your life from birth till death, you would not like it all all for YOU AND I KNOW you practice wickedness. Same concept when GOD comes to judge us, he will EXPOSE YOU for all that you are for you have not (cont)
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Wow, you think you speak for God, That is dangerous, does you pastor you speak for God? That blew me away really.I think this is the 1st time I have communicated with someone who speaks for God. Or thinks they speak for God.
I guess there is no talking to someone like you who can speak for God, since you, like God, must know all see all, hear all. wow is that driving you crazy?
I guess I will only say one thing to someone who is speaking for God:
God loves all His kids, right?
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
repented of your ways. Genuine Christians don't take offense at people judging them; they have nothing to hide or fear. We live in the LIGHT of JESUS CHRIST. God has not created you gay, and unfortunately you are overlooking Romans once more. How pathetic can you be? It is both troubling and saddening. Since YOU REFUSE to repent of your HOMOSEXUALITY, GOD GAVE YOU IN TO YOUR DESIRES BECAUSE you can careless about him. No God does not love everyone. God loves his followers.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
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@iTrollYouHAHA Wow, you think you speak for God, That is dangerous, does you pastor you speak for God? That blew me away really.I think this is the 1st time I have communicated with someone who speaks for God. Or thinks they speak for God.
I guess there is no talking to someone like you who can speak for God, since you, like God, must know all see all, hear all. wow is that driving you crazy?
I guess I will only say one thing to someone who is speaking for God:
God loves all His kids, right?
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA You may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same.
God still loves you, and all HIs kids, including homosexuals
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421
If Paul is not speaking about homosexuality what is he speaking about? Tell me. I see your posts and even other Christians quote the verses that clearly do speak out against homosexuality. All your ranting on about is Paul is not speaking about it? Who are you kidding? " And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another.." That is what Paul is saying. Cannot get any more clearer than that. Repent and turn from your ways.
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA You I am not kidding. Im trying to un twist the Bible.
No Im not kidding, homosexuality is not a sin.
No Im not kidding, Paul in Rom, or Cor and Tim for that matter do not speak about homosexuality-you should know this if you are a Christian.
No Im not kidding nothing to repent for, for being a homosexual, its not a sin.
You may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same.
God loves all His kids, including the gay ones.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421 Lol uhh God smoked Soddom and Gomorrah for their many sins including homosexuality. Does God change what incurs His wrath? Sin incurs His anger. So homosexual sex, or any recreational sex is a sin. Buuuut I'm pretty sure you won't listen haha. God bless friend :)
JogaHenryBonito 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA WRONG.........
orangewizard 1 month ago
@orangewizard
how is spilling your seeds for the glory of God. What does the Bible teach? Do EVERYTHING for the glory of God. And masterbation is definitely not for the glory of God. Instead it leads to recklessness, no self control over one's flesh, and it almost ALWAYS relates to pornography. God is not only LOVE but HATE. Do you not realize that? I am not judging this man in a condescending manner, but I do so out of love so that he may repent. A person who cares for another person (cont)
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA No,I don't understand....1)Where is masturbation written about? 2) 'All sins are vile....',yes,including self righteous arrogance!
orangewizard 1 month ago
@orangewizard
God will judge me for being "self-righteous". How funny for you to quickly assume I have self-righteous arrogance. People keep on accusing others of what they do not know. Only thing I was pointing out was homosexuality and masterbation is a sin. I have no pride other than pride in Christ. And masterbation is a sin. Just because the Bible does not say it does not mean masterbation is not a sin. What a wicked generation, people want o come up with excuses to sin. Look guy (cont)
iTrollYouHAHA 1 month ago
@iTrollYouHAHA Quote a verse that states mastUrbation is a sin,or shut up about it.....capiche??!!
orangewizard 1 month ago
@chicraig6421 1Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.~that which is written in the 1st Chp. of Romans concerning this is Jesus Christ! nice try!
ThomasBSenior 4 weeks ago
@ThomasBSenior I hope you are speaking to John P, cuz he sure fit the bill you posted. 1 Cor 14:37. I sure don't talk for Christ, as a matter of fact, Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuals, nor do the 10 laws written in stone, the only law of the OT Christians are to follow. All I do is try to un-twitst what crazies like John P preach and teach; some of which is hate. I don't think that is Christ like.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kind.
chicraig6421 4 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 so is it honoring God? And would He be pleased if you did it in His presence?
squall274 3 weeks ago
@squall274 Your question, - would He be pleased if you did it in His presence? - God is everywhere all the time. Would He be pleased, I don't God thinks like we do, so pleased is not a valid question to ask a human.
God made homosexuals same as he made bi-sexulas, and heterosexuals. Why people question what God put on earth is beyond me. The only difference between homo and heterosexuals is who they fall in love with.
God loves all His kids, all, includes the homosexuals.
chicraig6421 3 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 When it describes the act, I don't know how much clearer the Bible can make it. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact It (the BIble) does describe same sex acts, not homosexuality Same sex acts to please pagan gods, prostitution, boys as toys (pederasty) common back in Rome they thought sperm from young men (prostitutes,toys) would keep them viral
Homosexuals fall in love the same as heterosexuals, there is no difference and no sin
If anyone would like to know the context of the only 7 verses in the Bible re:homosexuality, I'll be glad to help you out. Oh Jesus said not 1 word about 'the gay'
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 No. It's describing the act of homosexuality. Which is a sin. No worse than any other sin, but no less a sin. To say it's only wrong if used in a pagan ritual is to add to the text. God sanctioned sex is between a man and a woman within marriage. Anything else is outside of God's design. The reason is theological. The man is the image of Christ, and woman is the image of the Church. If confused it, confuses the image of the Trinitarian God has given. Read Ephesian 5.
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact I guess u did not understand what I wrote, and u are not reading the Bible in context. Paul was writing about homosexual acts, not homosexuality. Until you understand that, read the Bible in context, u will continue to call homosexuality a sin when it is clearly not
God saved my life, and he made me what I am a homosexual, same as my partner-both males. FYI we were married in Iowa, in a Christian Church, by a Christian minister, in front of God. Loving is not a sin, nor in being gay
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 I understand exactly what you're saying. You're just wrong. You are exercising a hermeneutic that has allowed you to pursue a life of sin and reconcile it in your mind with your idolatrous image of God. Do you think that the Christians of the past were so stupid that they weren't able to understand it correctly until you were able to give the "correct", gay-affirming interpretation?
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact Let me add something here, I was saved by Christ as was my same sex partner; he was a Pentecostal traveled the word to preach. We both turned to Christ for help, & Christ saved both of us. I understand where u are coming from. When 1 is in a relationship (we are married-Iowa), 1 has sex-the way God made us. Its human to have needs & urges, which if 1 picks & chooses would be a sin, like Piper does. I believe u r a devout Christian, as I pray I am. Teach like Jesus taught not Piper
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Calling it marriage doesn't make it marriage. Holding the ceremony in a building called a church doesn't make it a marriage. Caring and affection does not justify your relationship. Marriage is between a man and a woman, because the man is the image of Christ, and the woman is the image of Christ. You say you're devoutly Christian, but that is the only faith I suspect you can have. One built on works.
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact Sorry again, the Sate of Iowa makes it a marriage - same sex.
Oh I should tell you, there are churches that kick us out. Yep so called Christian Churches kicking people out. I think what Jesus wanted was to bring the flock in.
I will not attend a gay bashing, hate filled church, nor should any Christian.
God loves all His kids including the gay kind
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 So because the government recognizes the act as being okay, that undoes the plain reading of scripture? The Bible says Thou shalt not murder, but because the state condones abortion, that same thinking says it's okay, and we need to look at things within context.
God loves to save sinners, but you refuse to recognize what sin is. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
thirdimpact 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact I, as USA citizens and all USA citizens should according to the USA Constitution (14 Amendment for 1)-separte Church and State. So yes to equal marriage rights-and yes I was married same sex, in Iowa.
The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. No verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed relationships. Now look up David & Jonathan's union. The Bible does allow for polygamy, concubines, women treated as property-correct?
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact What the Bible does say God can help us see new things where we were blind God inspires us to use the covenantal pledge of fidelity between two women, Ruth and Naomi the 2nd most-read Bible passage at weddings. The 1st is 1 Corinthians 13, the ode to love. When we know same gender couples whose marriages & whose service in our communities epitomize the qualities of love captured by the Apostle Paul, we must stand up for the revelation that God has inspired us to see
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Also, it seems more than a few people have pointed out your error, but you insist everyone else is not taking the Bible in context. I submit to you that you're really not reading it in context, and if we have a discussion, I'll try to break this down for you as well. You can tell us we're not taking the Bible in context, however, we also read the Bible and we disagree with you. I believe church history also agrees with us and I believe the Bible plainly agrees with us as well.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@BethelShual Let me corrected you you said - a few people have pointed out my error - actually I have pointed out their error and will continue to try and un-twist Holy Scripture.
I agree with you we disagree, and looks like we always will. I take my Church and 'brand' of Christianity any day over crap preacher. My Church takes in all - thats all no matter, no one is turned away for any reason - kind of Christ like don't ya think?
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Actually, the Bible teaches the church to practice church discipline, to put out those who are unruly and who will not listen to rebuke. We actually aren't supposed to just keep all manner of people who do not want God in our church with those who do. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. It's one example of how heresies like yours have started, honestly.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 If you think it's Christ like to just accept sinners, instead of warning them of their lost condition and telling them to repent and believe? You horribly misunderstand Jesus, the Gospel and how Jesus lived as well as His own words. Check out Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-9; Matthew 12:22-45; Matthew 23:13-36; John 8 (entire chapter) as just a few places as to how Jesus really is. Yes, Jesus is merciful: to whom, though? Those who repent and believe. Few will enter Heaven (Luke 13:23, 24).
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@BethelShual Show in the Gospels which is only record of Christ's teaching that Christ preached against gays. You will not find it. The Church has been preaching gay as a sin for 2,000 years and that's a total out right lie. You claim verses you don't even know what they even mean or what the original language says. The only gospel that mention gays is the Gnostic Gospel of Mark where Christ spends the night with a gay person. The text is incomplete to even try to understand what it means.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago 7
@chicraig6421 Your ideas are modern ideas. 2000 years of church history, you think they've all been wrong and somehow you've had a new revelation of God that says it's not sinful? Wisdom does not begin with our generation and it certainly won't end with it. Though the actual word homosexual is rather new, the idea that same sex relationships are sin (not simply as pagan worship but just the acts themselves) is very historical, as far as I understand.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@BethelShual I agree same sex relationships are not new, there some in the Bilbe -read it you will find them, read in context. However, the Bible never speaks of homosexuals, but homosexual sex acts-there is a difference.Homosexuals, same as heterosexuals, fall in love have relationships and all the rest, again there are some in the BIble. Im going to post some of the 2000 years of Christian history and lets see what is right / wrong.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Can you give me some examples of same sex relationships in the Bible? I have heard of Jonathan and David as well as Ruth and Naomi, both of which context will show are not homosexual relationships nor were ever claimed to be in the Bible. I point this out in my link, if you would go to it. If you can give me any other supposed relationships to look into, that would be great.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@BethelShual your argument 2000 years of church history:
Bible used to: defend bloody crusades, inquisitions, support slavery, apartheid, segregation, to persecute Jews, to support Hitler's 3rd Reich, to oppose medical science, condemn interracial marriage, execute women as witches, and I could go on.
So the Bible interpretations change, as is the idea that homosexuality is a sin.Homosexuality is not even in the Bible-homosexual acts are, not homosexuality.
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 The Crusades were done by Catholics, not Christians. Inquisitions not done by Christians, slavery (depending on what you mean by it) is not condemned in the Bible (in fact there are instructions given to slaves and how they should act and Christian masters aren't told not to have them), apartheid is also not Christian nor segregation. Jews should not be persecuted, any "Christians" who did this were in error or not Christian. Support for Hitler, also not Christian.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 To oppose medical science, I think that depends on what you mean by "medical science" and again, depending, there is nothing that opposes medical science Biblically, therefore, true Christians shouldn't do this. Condemning interracial marriage, also a twisting of Scripture, it is not condemned. Executing women as witches, real Christians shouldn't or didn't do this: the Law says to stone, Jesus did away with this penalty.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 You say the Bible interpretations change. Men may interpret them differently, SLIGHTLY, though main points? No, no they don't. Heretics differ majorly as a lifestyle, but not true Christians. Also, even with differences in interpretation, the Bible is still true and, regardless of error in interpretation, what it says is still true.
So, your point could really only be that men make mistakes, not the Bible. The Bible says the homosexual relationship is a sin. Plainly.
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 Also, if you feel the Bible can't be interpreted properly (interpretations change, they're not reliable, etc.) then what basis do you have to say the way you are interpreting the Bible right now is correct? The basis I have is context, other Scriptural support as well as solid Biblical Christians, Pastors and about 2,000 years of church history. What do you have to back your claim that you are correct?
BethelShual 2 weeks ago
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@thirdimpact What is the authentic message of Christ for us? Jesus put us here 2,000 yrs past since He died on Golgatha since He rose from the dead Essentially I'm walking away from the complex religious interpretations of Christianity that churches teach, I will not walk away from my personal spirituality & relationship with Christ. I do not want to be associated with Churches that kicks out Homosexuals, or anyone in need or preaches fear. Not what Jesus intended.
May God Bless you had keep u
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact it describes heterosexual 'acts' as well. Temple prostitution swung both ways. What was it that was clear?
thethikboy 5 days ago
@thethikboy Any sex outside of heterosexual marriage is perverted sex ("God displeasing sex"). Which is what Piper is talking about. Homosexuality is a an extreme, but heterosexual fornicating is no less wrong.
thirdimpact 5 days ago
wow i dislike this man...
marchinen777 4 months ago
@marchinen777 read Romans 1
Danthious 4 months ago
@Danthious i have, a few times actually.
I see it more talking about cult practices, and group orgies.
as well as men that have been with or been married to a woman in the past, and then leaving that behind for pagan sexual practices. I see this verse used alot, but i personally do not see it as a anti-homosexaulity but rather speaking against cults, animal worship and sexual rituals. no mention of committed loving same gender relationships.
thanks though.
marchinen777 4 months ago
@marchinen777 ?...it's talking about the entire human race
Danthious 4 months ago
@wirelesspeace07 As a Christian you should know Lev died with Jesus on the Cross, He said that, not me, its in the Bible (while homosexuality is not in the Bible). Rom, Tim, Cor again as a Christian you should khnow have to do with orgies, sex to pagan gods, boys as toys (common back then as youthful sperm give one strength-history), castration (Im sure gays love that one). Really-read the Bible in contest, ask Jesus for guidance, learn. Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible.
chicraig6421 5 months ago
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Ghumdul 5 months ago
@chicraig6421 Just a few... (from The Bible).
Romans 1:26 - That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
Please consider these!
Ghumdul 5 months ago
@Ghumdul Really u need help with the Bible. Romas, if you knew the Bible you would know Paul was not talking about homosexuals, but about pagan sex acts usually performed in pagan temples to please their 'gods' including all kinds of sex acts including castrations and worse. You really need to read the Bible in context and sturdy some history. Man did you get this verse wrong, nothing there about homosexuality, not 1 word. Cor is similar not talking about homosexuals but prostitution
chicraig6421 5 months ago 3
For each individual who finds themself sexually attracted to their own gender, is that God's personal judgement on that individual?
ScalarPhotonZ 5 months ago
If the ONLY proof that homosexuality is any more harmful, or any less natural, or any less potentially good, than heterosexuality, is some chanted Doctrinal litany, some old text, or some assumed-premise prejudice (& that really IS all there is!), then this "Homosexuality-is-a-Sin" crap needs to be discarded in favour of some REAL Truth & Love!!!
taofist 5 months ago 2
All sins are the same sin to God... there is nothing to compare to each other. Homosexial is the same as all other sins.
chrisarchi 5 months ago
@chrisarchi being a homosexual isnt a sin any more than heterosexual. its how GOD made us. being a heterosexual isnt a state of mind and neither is homosexuality. sinning isnt who we are, its what we do. and sinning is mans word, not GODs.
dorianstark1970 5 months ago
@dorianstark1970 -You sound like pedophiles, or people who engage in beastality. "God made me this way." Or, "I just love children/animals." Homosexuals, adulterers, and fornicators make lifestyle choices.
ndependentwoman 5 months ago
@ndependentwoman what on Gods earth does bestiality and or pedophile have to do with homosexuality?
chicraig6421 5 months ago
@ndependentwoman -Because pedophiles and people who engage in beastality all make the same claims as gays-"It's not my fault, I was born this way."Don't you get it? Just because you have an urge doesn't mean you follow through and commit the act.
ndependentwoman 5 months ago 2
@ndependentwoman yourt comment shows just how edcated you are. so , when exactly did you decide to be straight???? also, educated yourself or if you cant read, ask someone who has sense to educate you. you hAVE A long way to go.
dorianstark1970 5 months ago
@dorianstark1970 -CORRECTION I also added,"... adulterers and fornicators..."(heterosexuals) in the comment. Didn't they choose to be fornicators and adulterers? PEOPLE MAKE LIFESTYLE CHOICES-ACCEPT IT! Finally your poor; comprehension skills, spelling, and awful grammar are clear indications of YOUR educational level.
ndependentwoman 5 months ago
@ndependentwoman you clearly dont know anything beyond your little box you have built for yourself. the real world isnt so small. evolve already.
dorianstark1970 5 months ago
@chrisarchi You are flat out wrong - why - homosexuality is not in the Bible, so its not a sin. Jesus said not 1 word about it. Really get your Bible facts correct.
chicraig6421 5 months ago
@chicraig6421 Please read entire Bible..you will see.
chrisarchi 4 months ago
@chrisarchi I have not only read the Bible but studied it Im old. Also studied Greek & Hebrew for better understand. I have 6 Bibles not one when lined up verse to verse say the same thing - will the real Bible please stand up as all are the word of God-can't be. Thats why u need to read the Bible in context. If you do you will see homosexuality is not in the Bible and is not a sin. You will also see on this so so important topic for some Christians - Jesus God said not 1 word on Homosexuality
chicraig6421 4 months ago