Fix The Schools: Reason Saves Cleveland With Drew Carey, Ep. 2

[felpaluche]

It all starts in school, as they say.

[studio7manga]

This episode was by far the best. Poor education is one of the biggest reasons for the city of Cleveland's decline, more than any other factor aside from manufacturing job losses. Most people I know leave to the suburbs because of education. There definitely needs to be more options for education and if charter schools can provide better results without starving the public schools of funds, so much the better.

[printo69]

As a Clevelander, I loved this series. Cleveland and cities like it i.e. Buffalo and Detroit and "progressive" cities that have slowly progessed back into the Stone Age. The governments in these cities have destroyed themselves with taxes, regulations, spending, and public sector unions. More of this will not fix them. Its a shame though. These cities drive away talent and keep those who support the status quo. They will never fix themselves unless they literally have a Renaissance.

[1buckdawg]

@robertmike57 nick gillespie is a well known libertarian you fuckin moron. get your facts straight. not to mention plenty of the problems cleveland is facing is due to lazy worthless liberal government officials

[fatpak419]

Drew Carey is not a representative of Cleveland. He is an antiquated, out of touch relic that was raised in the city's largest suburb, He subscribes to and purports an idealistic, libertarian agenda that, if implemented, could crumble an already failing education system. Unlike him, I'm keenly aware of the "giving nature" of our private sector and the facts are staggering. Stop arrogantly claiming Cleveland as your hometown and make an actual effort, you morbidly obese fraud.

[manunkind666]

Government run unionized education hurts poor people the most- since they are stuck in the worst districts. Time to open it up to a little competition and let those poor kids have a choice and a chance.

[creativepower213]

Good stuff. Whoever is working your cameras and lighting is really good. Keep up this good quality reporting. Free to Choose. I choose Reason.Tv

[Wormtail81]

Funding dollars that follow the student? Schools competing with each other to perform well? Why aren't we doing all of these things already everywhere?

[hyretech]

Ohio had adopted a policy of "evidence-based Education reform".

I'd love to see some debate and discussion on what will change, suggest to links to education forums and projects. (YouTube limits comments to 500 characters, not enough for debate here, although video responses could be used).

[FreeAgain2]

K-12 education in Cleveland (and Detroit, Milwaukee, Buffalo, etc. etc.) prepares students for welfare, unemployment, jail, and other wonderful Government benefits.

[damic]

I dropped out of cleveland public schools cause I got tired of being told that every class I wanted had enough white students. So I droppped out and got my GED and went to collage. The system is broken because of the parents.

[doughtymqan]

Read "Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman. It will help to understand the basics.

[fatpak419]

@doughtymqan Ideologues founded this country and they were socially incorrect. Misogyny was a social norm during Friedman's literary tenure. If you think that the free market can't strangle itself look at the mess we"re in now. There has to be some sort of compromise from the municipal level, where far too many citizens are government-reliant. I don't care if it's citizenry, local or federal a sweeping change has to come from somewhere, These great schools can't account for masses.

[marinegrunt0341]

@fatpak419 The mess we are in now has nothing to do with the free market. There has been no such thing as a free market in this country since the early 1900's. You are totally diluded to think the government doesn't have its hand in nearly every business in this country. The problem we are in now is a direct result of government and in particular the federal reserves manipulation of monetary policy. Artificially low interest rates set by the fed created the housing bubble.

[mike8903]

what a great series

[KaelinSaint]

Sweet, there was a Colorado State pennant on the top of all the other college school pennants. That's right, CSU is #1.

[1Guitarslayer]

too late, you should have shot the liberals running your cities years ago, we warned you.

We are warning you now not to pass this healthcare power grab or the U.S. will look like this entitlment ridden shithole we call cleveland.

[chevydriver1123]

Public service jobs should never be unionized at all and returning education back to the states would also help a huge lot.

[asphyxiafeeling]

this mini episodes are perfect! Thanks ReasonTV!

[mamagrapes]

awesome. so how do we accomplish this? there are small things happening in cleveland. we need an overarching vision and steps to accomplish it.

[ScottfromTexas]

I would like a charter school for Whites. Oh, that isn't allowed. Only other races can have their own schools...

[DaspittaNigga83922]

yes, women like being the center of attention - all the more so when we're in the bedroom haha

[drexelohio]

@robertmike57 Charter Schools as a whole in Dayton, Ohio haven't lived up to the public schools, and Dayton has more charters than about anywhere in the country, sans New Orleans.

[drexelohio]

Just a couple of problem's with charters in an urban environment (and I will admit there are some good ones, I worked at one):

- Any Jackass with some open space in a church basement opened up a charter school and got 6k for every kid they signed up. There has been some real snakes ripping off the system and doing worse than the public schools.

- The requirement that the public system provide transportation the 30 some new charters has created an even bigger transportation leviathan.

[ThePenWolf]

@drexelohio But most private schools generally do much better than public schools. Naturally you're going to have problems here and there, but it's nothing compared to a corrupt public school system that gets paid regardless of their results. It's wrong to force people to subsidize education like this, especially if they're not directly benefiting from those services. Schools need to compete for dollars just like any other enterprise.

[trayg95]

How do they exclude disability students? Have you actual proof of this? And if you mean mentally disabled students, it depends on the school district. In many districts, the mentally disabled have their own school(s). You don't seriously expect a teacher to have to teach a severely autistic child at the same time as a group of AP Calculus students? Different children have different needs.

[trayg95]

I can tell you why there are so few charter schools. The number of charter schools allowed is controlled by the state (and local school boards, depending on where you live). In Michigan, the state limits how many charter schools are available to appease the teacher's union (namely DPS). DPS uses the same old excuse that new charter schools would mean cuts in their funding and therefore hurt students.

[trayg95]

O.K. I asked for proof and you just make ad hominem attacks. Please provide proof that charter schools turn away disabled students. For the record, ALL public facilities come under the guidelines of the Americans with Disabilities Act. This means that disabled students do NOT cost charter schools extra. The only students that would be in question are the MENTALLY disabled. And I already explained that most school districts provide special schools for such students.

[trayg95]

Secondly, there are plenty of Charter High Schools both within the city of Detroit and throughout the State. For the record, my nephew attends a charter middle school which was built AFTER the high school. If you are going to state otherwise please provide statistical evidence of your claims to the supposed nonexistence of charter high schools.

[trayg95]

@robertmike57 I am not the illeriterate one here. I NEVER claimed that you said ADA. I pointed out the fact that due to ADA stipulations, charter schools CAN NOT skimp on disabled students. NO public place can. Unless you can provide proof of an actual charter school denying access to disabled students, you are making baseless ignorant charges.

[DanTheN00b]

Yeah that kid at the end knows whats up! O-H!

[fishsama999]

I-O!

Exactly my thoughts bro.

[Yourmomisnthere]

I hope Drew Carey can make one on Mass Transit. They should replace buses every 12 years, not 4!

[drexelohio]

Hmm..I like how this guy asks everyone not affiliated with the teacher's union, what the teacher's union thinks.

Not very reasonable.

Perhaps he should have asked the teacher's union.

[ThePenWolf]

@drexelohio Why should he? We already know what the teacher's unions are going to say before they even say it. They're happy, and they think they're doing a great job.

[drexelohio]

By your logic then, I should know what you think by asking your neighbors down the street.

[ThePenWolf]

@drexelohio Wrong. By simple deductive reasoning based on the behavior of unions and their metrics, you can easily determine what they're going to say. Indeed, you don't even need to talk to them, just sit in on a meeting. These people are perpetually paid, and enjoy their monopolistic power. Wouldn't you oppose anything that actually required you to achieve results that matter to customers when the alternative is to make money regardless of how you perform?

[drexelohio]

@ThePenWolf

How can one determine what a "they" are going to say when they "they" being referred to are in actuality a collection of singularities (individual unions), with individual elected spokespeople.

You're just trying to excuse shoddy "journalism". It just makes the person asking the question look stupid (see my asking your neighbor down the street example cited earlier).

Take care.

[Kapan60]

I'd disagree with that. Teachers are frustrated with horrific mandates like No Child Left Behind. It watered down teaching to "teaching to the test" and multiple choice testing.

Not to mention having to deal with constant behaviorial issues and administrative duties that have nothing at all to do with teaching,

One thing missing from this is politicians aren't control of those charter schools. The principal and teachers are. That's how it should be.

[ThePenWolf]

@Kapan60 That's why government needs to get out of education altogether. It's not their business anyway.

In the market, you're always going to get con-artists and crooks, but note how they only manage to effect just a relatively small amount of people. Eventually, word does get out on those people and they end up closing shop and moving out. But with government ran public schools, there is no such thing. They are always rewarded regardless of what they do.

[Kapan60]

@ThePenWolf Unforunately that's not what goverment is doing at all. Due to some states dumbing down their math, reading, and writing benchmarks the federal goverment is now pushing it's own curriculum standards now. It's nothing official as of yet, but it's only a matter of time.

[ThePenWolf]

@Kapan60 Due primarily to unions who pay politicians to set up such nonsense. The Unions have got to be broken. The best way to do that would be to stop subsidizing all schools anywhere, public or otherwise, with tax dollars and force these schools to compete for customer (i.e. the parents) dollars. To go even further, eliminate Dept. of Education at state and federal level. We'll see how long tenure lasts in such an environment.

[KaelinSaint]

@ Kapan

First and foremost the parents should be in control of their child's education. Where they go to school, what subjects they generally study, etc.

[Kapan60]

@KaelinSaint Oh I agree with free choice. It doesn't bother me in the least. The problem is with these charter and private schools the choice is really a false one. Many of these schools have parents enter a lottery just to have the "chance" of getting a better school. That doesn't seem like a winning alternative.

[KaelinSaint]

@Kapan

I agree but with an entrenched and powerful teachers union true reform is a difficult thing to come by. I know they had a similar program in DC that had a lottery. Sadly not all parents and students are given the choice they deserve but these schools are a start.

At the very least they demonstrate that private schools cost less and do better which helps to undermine all of the false arguments from the teachers unions.

One step at a time.

[Kapan60]

@KaelinSaint I don't feel the teachers are the problem. The teacher unions never decided No Child Left Behind was a good idea. Are there bad teachers.... I'm sure. But I'm sure there are certainly more often than not good teachers stuck in difficult situations with little help to be found.

[KaelinSaint]

@ Kapan

I beg to disagree. Tenure and the difficulty in firing teachers is a prime example of what happens when you shift incentives in the wrong direction. I'm still recall that, with a few exceptions, my best teachers were new and not tenured and my worst had received their tenure.

The education system has been declining since at least the '70's. I would contest the '50's with the formation of the Department of Education. No Child Left Behind is too new to blame for much of that decline.

[1OriginalQueen]

Key words: RESULTS BASED BUDGETING...

...what if that concept was applied to Congress?

[aallppiinnee]

the teachers' unions are an illegal labor monopoly

imagine if all doctors colluded and provided inferior service for higher prices

[robertmike57]

They do, it's called the AMA

[insightfu]

WOW!! I think i might go to Ohio State ... that's powerful!

[lenny380]

Just don't re-write the history books -please.

[nonantianarchist]

$14,000/student!? I don't think the magnet school I went to spent that much.

[tsummerlee]

Now if we could just turn kids out into the world right after fifth grade...

[yogeedogee]

I like the idea of kids wearing uniforms. It makes it much easier for the parent and the child. Fashion is such a distraction!

[sugarkang]

no way this can ever become popular. it just makes too much sense.

[ipwnallnubscuzirock]

Thanks for living up to your name. Great video!

[ZilverGalacticon]

This thing is so cool, inspiring AND encouraging.

If you don't have any card up your sleeves (political agenda or some other shit) than I whole heartedly say I love what you are doing. Seriously.

Wish you the best guys, and yes I do mean it!

[Dpaladinx]

My parents are from Taiwan, but all I could say that Taiwan have one of the most effective public schools in the world. The government put the taxpayer money into the education instead of earmarks. However, Taiwan have higher education standards than United States, and school days are longer than in the United States.

Needless to say, while I do find the United States education system to be great, it needs improvement. But I doubt Americans would understand Confucius's value in education.

[Efferts]

I still find it disturbing that more impoverished or less equipped/funded nations possess higher academic success rates than the US.

I realize one of the faults of American education is overspending.

[schmij8]

Awesome, keep 'em coming.

[XCritonX]

A sincere suggestion to Reason: Promote the FIRST LEGO League program and other FIRST Foundation programs in Cleveland schools. FIRST programs are about self responsibility, developing logic and reasoning skills, team work, free market of ideas, and building a future workforce of scientists, engineers, and entrepreneurs.

FIRST programs are already helping 150 000 kids around the world to have a better future. They also already have a Cleveland branch.

[sdfkjllshadflhadfshl]

You guys are right on.... too bad no one is listening.

[whoo689]

Teachers' unions are a bunch of greedy jackasses who don't give a fuck about the students. It's all "me me me!" Fuck the NEA and fuck the DOE.

[KingSturgill]

@whoo689 unions are people sticking together to ensure fair treatment of workers. so duck ya

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

lol free markets ensure fair treatment of workers. Unions are a tool to restrict access and artificially elevate the price - That's economic warfare against the consumer. (+they're a political tool, companies use them to support protective tariffs, cartelize the industry and get subsidies)

[KingSturgill]

@j4ck2234 The free market is a crap shoot. Did you forget the struggles of the coal miners for the past 100 years? A hand full of unions operate like large corporations... but a majority of them ensure safety in the work place and fair wages. I guess you are too young to remember the saying "I owe my soul to the company store" and because of young kids not learning a damn thing from our past were going to have a lot of bloodshed and tears to regain some rights we lost.

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

ok, let's take a look at wages. Imagine a capitalist pig opens a factory in Africa. (I know it's stupid to collectivize the people on that huge landmass but anyway) He pays each worker 1 dollar a day but actually he makes 30 dollars a day profit from the product of each of his workers. That kinda sucks right? Now what happens on a free market? Well there are several capitalist pigs. So the second capitalist pig comes to africa to open a second sweatshop there. ->

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

-> Now he offers the workers of the 1st sweatshop 2 dollars a day for work..cause obviously these guys can produce like crazy and he will still make a ton of profit. Now all the workers will move from the first sweatshop to the 2nd...unless the 1st capitalist pig pays the workers higher wages..let's say 3 dollars...now of course there are not 2 capitalist pigs in all of africa there are millions. The result will be that the wages will almost reach the profit margin of 30$.

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

That explains how wages are determined. (no it's not by stupid unions, just read some decent history books that show how wages doubled at a time in the united states when there was no such thing as unionism)

Now safe work conditions. Capitalist do not like it when there machines blow up. Capitalist do not like it when their skilled workers get blown up. It costs them money. Of course there could be a scenario in which it was theoretically cheaper to use unsafe technology.

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

Now what happens in that case....well people in general do not like to die. This means that wages for dangerous jobs would have to be higher than in safe jobs, right? (in germany we call that 'gefahrenzulage')...btw who do you think pays for 'good' working conditions? ( air conditioning, kindergarden maybe a masseuse whatever) You do. There is no magical pot of gold behind the capitalist rainbow. Workers have to pay for good working conditions.

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

You see that's the reason why not every mcdonalds employee has a masseuse, it would eat up is paycheck. Back in the 17th/18th century the productive capacity was so low that the factories looked like hellholes. It was so bad because the workers could not afford luxuries. They needed as much as possible of their productive capacity in order to care for their families. (still obviously a huge improvement from before the industrial revolution where it was misery without pay)

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

As the productive capacity increased and with that the wealth of the people they could afford better working conditions. This had NOTHING to do with unions. People just wouldn't work in hellholes anymore, they could afford the luxury of better working conditions. This means the workforce moved from unsafe factories with higher pay to safer factories with respectivly lower pay. This has not yet happened in africa. The economy has not evolved to a point where workers can afford it.

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

sry for spamming your inbox lol.

[j4ck2234]

@KingSturgill

..Unionism is ultimately a method for stealing money from the consumer. On a free market they would just earn what they would produce.

[strongbadXCP]

Reason TV is better than "real TV" by about 100 times.

[DeraJa]

You mean realnews? As a libertarian, i would agree, but they both have different intentions.

[CitizensAcademyCleve]

I'm happy to report that the Cleveland school district is now partnering with several high-performing charter schools, providing them with low/no-cost facilities. Most of these buildings are schools that the district is closing due to chronically low performance. Also, parent groups, including in Tremont/Ohio City, are working with high-quality charter schools like Citizens' Academy, E Prep and The Intergenerational School to open schools in their neighborhoods.

[navtel]

beaurocracies hate innovation and flexibility..  stick to the program is what they push.. good for the new school and its successes. i wish you all the best.. the teachers seem happier also.

[yougiberishtube]

5 stars

[truvelocity]

I am so impressed.

[martinaoe2]

great video