Lippisch P13a Supersonic Ramjet Fighter footage

[sprattysy]

interesting video and very informative

[HybodusStudios]

That small hypersonic jet would defiantly KILL the bombers easily and outmaneuver the P-51 Mustang and would flame with a burst of HEAVY Rhineboring Cannons

[madxico]

That looks like an UFO today, imagine 60 years ago!

[tarazzzs]

German Engineering is BADASS!!!

[MIGUEL2005LIMA]

coal  fueled fighter<'''¿¿¿¿

[macianowa]

0:40 Lord Vader .. arrived

[YUSKHAN]

If only they had made these babies to nuke america

[tegarac]

GERMANS-SUPERHUMANS.

[TheGeorgevt]

:58 might need more jet engines :)

[handsupbud]

So what's happening on Ur Anus these days?

[davidrodgersNJ]

COAL powered?

[MrMoorkey]

@davidrodgersNJ It's highly possible. Many solids, if mixed with enough air in a powdered form of a certain consistency, become highly explosive (examples include coal dust, and even flour!), and so could theoretically lend themselves as pulse jet fuel.

[OPE08]

@jericoparazo - Kasserine is an example of the germans being good? No, it was an example of green american troops not being prepared and fighting on their own terms. If losing a single battle is that bad then the germans were terrible, as they lost everything starting the second they faced opposition.

The Soviet and German soldiers in WWII were "better" in as much as they were not hamstrung by morals and ethics, that made them more effective operationally.

[OPE08]

@jericoparazo - The Blitzkrieg was not undefeatable, it faultered everytime it met a prepared defence, and there is quite a debate about what would have happened if the French armor had continued and engaged the germans.

The germans developed WHAT first generation weapons? I mean if it is "most" of those used today the list should be long.

The British did stop the Germans, long enough to pull off Dunkirk, and so did the USSR.

And there was no nazi atomic weapons program.

[OPE08]

@jericoparazo - I'm not sure I would even agree there, looking at the subject in a vacuum you can make claims like that, but your comment was that they had " the best technology and tactics", which is simply not true. And germany did not "fail to develop the atom bomb", in truth they had no atomic weapons program whatsoever. AND saying that they "could" have developed a dirty bomb? Why not say they "could" have developed X-wing fighters? This is why I say commonly believed but incorrect.

[OPE08]

@jericoparazo - actually no. Your claim is pretty common but its not backed up by the facts. And, Germany only won until they faced a prepared defence or off3ence from an enemy. The second the Western Alliance and Russia got their shit together and started pushing back the Germans started falling back. Except for some offensive victories in Africa prior to eventual defeat.

And the only useful tech they had above everyone else was submarine technology.

[topspeed10]

I doubt it..ta.183 project waited for the engine for 3 years and it never came.

[jonndol]

Probably, someone back then could have tested the p13a design, with a turbojet engine instead of the coal powered ramjet..

[topspeed10]

@SSP

There were over 20 companies that had rocket or jet powered designs some several of them...and you still insist there were only 114 engineers that all went to USA ? Eventough USSR rolled over all these facilities ?

[topspeed10]

@SSP

There were 4 supersonic windtunnels in Germany in 1944....USA and USSR had none. And you say there were only 114 scientists ?

[topspeed10]

@SteveSpicerPortsmuth

Ok there were only 114 that went to USA via "paperclip"...rest 3000 were into forced labout into USSR. Influenced also on Mig-15 and early jet bombers in USSR. There is plenty of data on this.

[binaway]

@INSONIASXPOWER The Nazis ran their economy into the ground. Spears had trouble convincing the regional governors to obey his ideas. With twice Britain's population & economy plus the industries of France Holland & Czechoslovakia the Nazi's built less aircraft and tanks than Britain (by far the smallest of the 3 major allies). Hitler had to go to war in 1939 as all German money reserves had been spent on weapons. A special unit seized the currency reserves of the occupied nations central banks

[Renaud596]

Maybe if Hitler didn't have ADD during the war, we'd all have flying cars by now. With the brainpower of the German scientists and better funding ideals, he could've easily taken over the world

[TruckerSF]

@INSONIASXPOWER Aha. Alles klar.

[Ghola36]

Where did you get this video? (I mean the part of P.13 model/prototype flight)

[Grommo]

@Ghola36

Hi, it comes from the Lippisch archives now stored at iowa university

[Ghola36]

@Grommo Ok, and wasn´t it longer? 6 seconds is pretty short time. And can you get (and upload) the video in better quality?

[RdsG9891]

@Grommo Hi. Is the sound in the flight footage the original sound? I wonder if it was propelled?

It sounds like a TIE fighter :)

[jarmithc]

Samolot na koks ten Lippisch P13a ;]

[tehDman]

The TIE Fighter sound completed this.

[TruckerSF]

Nur eine Frage.

Haben die Amerikaner schon selbst was erfunden oder ist das meiste von denen GEKLAUT?

[TheEEStudent]

Don't make too much of high tech without low tech. it all goes combined. E.G a society who lets its astronauts use pencils thus avoiding the cost of developing the pilot pen, risks losing the craft due to some pencil graphite short cutting a circuit. Likewise, a society who puts everything into military development alone, will eventually lose everything, including war. The Nazis chose to hate everyone, put everything in the military, and -luckily for the world- lost everything.

[topspeed10]

Who is us ?

USSR took 3000 rocket scientist to USSR and only 140 of them went to USA and made moon flight possible in the USA.

[SteveSpicerPortsmuth]

@topspeed10

HAHA, 3000 (!!!) rocket scientists. 3000!!!

What reality do you live in exactly?? Not even NASA today has 3000 Rocket scientists you babbling fool.

The MASTER German rocket scientists, like Verner von Braun ended up in the USA.

Korolyev designed his rockets without any German influence, and he had them in the early 30's already but was imprisoned by Stalin.

3000 Rocket scientists. My God. You might as well have said 3 million.

[49bobbyk]

So way ahead of us were the Germans. Made us look like amateurs.

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

Damn, look at that thing. Suppose you lived 60 years ago and the Jet engine had just been put into common use and you see something like this flying...

[bluenail90]

Allies lucky the Germans couldnt get the tungsten for the jet blades after 43 or so.

[EW0Canuk]

A nice video i wouldnt mind knowing where u got it cause that is the p.13a on a glide approach which is very interesting and i wouldnt mind finding more into it

[lucasgil68]

The design features the following fixes: 1) does not have the ramjet inlet diffuser so that the most likely to be extinguished the engine near Mach 1. 2) the design of the rudder is very thick (to hold the cab) it would be a shock onde front of the rudder with the drag that would have a very high and therefore very inefficient

[Cathain78]

@engaurd

"Free" world? lol

[leokimvideo]

volker technology....cool

[digitalek7]

what is name of this music?

[Grommo]

@digitalek7 "Kraken" by Hans Zimmer from Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack

[digitalek7]

what is name of this music?

[Tazjet100]

The US Government seized and keeps classified all nazi documents on the Lippisch P.13b ramjet fighter post October 1944. The Lippisch P.13b is also reported to have flown and been stable above mach 1.2 at 18,000 feet. It's interesting to ponder why the documents of it's test flights remain secret.

The coal burning ramjet engine was developed by Prof. D. Myrha Singer at Istres in France.

[LawrenceFlash]

TIE fighter sound LOLz

[Buemmo]

Of course ramjets are extremely strong engines, but bringing them to power up speed is quite a hard task. Maybe rocket engines and catapult starting could help

[slippery396]

0:40 to 0:48 makes the hair on the back of my neck stand straight up !

[dmied1]

that footage isnt in germany, thats after america captured it using a scaled down model that was just tested by being towed for research

[Grommo]

The aircraft in the footage may not be full size but it is definitely not being towed, but is in free flight after a catapult launch.

[dmied1]

@Grommo  This is after being released from tow on its descent after aerodynamics testing

[Grommo]

No it's not. I have All the footage.

It is catapult launched from the mountainside.

[dmied1]

@Grommo  the only one ever flown was towed, if you do have footage it would be a recreation

[Grommo]

The footage is from Dr Alexander Lippisch's own archives.

Lippisch himself was present at the testing.

[dmied1]

lippisch never completed the p 13 during the war

[Grommo]

correct. This is not a full size p13 but obviously One of lippisch's large test models

[Grommo]

@dmied1 I'm interested in your comments about tow testing though. Do you have anymore info or links?

[dmied1]

@Grommo i couldnt say sorry, most of the references are in university archives.

[dmied1]

@Grommo but yeah the americans used a towed version to test aerodynamics at higher speed for their later to come delta wing jets.

[beowulf342000]

Lippische was doing this work from the 1920s on. Northrop, the Hortons, CCCP design bureaus, A. R. Weyl of the UK all were aware of each others work. The DFS 194 was no secret pre-war. Engineers thought that It was going to be the inspiration for the next gen fighter, like the Hughes H-1 was for radial engined monoplane fighters.

[bentwoodchair]

Thank you for posting the motion images! Truly rare stuff, kinda magic in fact.

[FunySkywalker]

Sounds like a TIE fighter! xD

[faron27]

Can you say UFO man what a secret we have been kept from.

[Grommo]

No secret with the Lippisch and triangular wing aircraft.

Dr Lippisch was a prolific university lecturer and acknowledged worldwide as developer of the Delta wing.

His creation led to the first operational deltawing fighters and bombers and on to further developments such as the concorde and spaceshuttle.

[FUBUXGEAR]

@Grommo the delta wing was "invented" simultaniously by several different people at the roughly the same time in the late 40s, its just a low drag high lift wing. dozens of aircraft were designed with delta wings, only a few by convair. and his original ramjet design never flew, again it is important to note that ramjet designs were also already in development by 1944 including a few from lockheed and several dozen in russia. the nazis didnt invent anything new, they just appeal to morons.

[Grommo]

Lippisch began his delta and flying wing program in the 1920s.

His powered Delta1 flew in 1931 and he successively reduced aspect ratio of his wings.

As the video notes, the Germans worked on developments of Rene Lorin's ramjet. Lorin patented his concept in 1913.

The Germans developed many technologies to an advanced state.

Some people deny the achievements of German engineers due to their loathing of the political system.

Let's deny ANY achievements of 21st C. USA because we despise Bush?

[harris3693]

So the Nazis were the real geniouses of today's military aircraft designs

[MegaPiepo]

Chek my video of a P13a with jet engine (rc model)

[Latvietis96]

Revell presents this planes 1:72 scale model!

[infernalzen]

never seen the flying delta :o

what a wierd thing

needs guns +range though

[MasterVageSha]

This plane, if it was modified correctly, could have matched the speed of modern jet aircraft, which is about 1,500 miles per hour, and would have had a stable flight.

[Moskitoable]

what song is this??

[Grommo]

"the Kraken" by Hans Zimmer

[Moskitoable]

thank you=] am the video is so good=]

[CalacticEmpire]

the footage looks fishy if you ask my

[Grommo]

It's real, from the Lippisch Archives.

Most likely a large test model.

Regardless, it is not the DM1 and shows that the P13a configuration flew just fine and was aerodynamically stable

[ProjectFlashlight612]

Forgive me if I don't get into this raging argument. I just wanna know where the hell that brief footage of a LP 13 coming in to land came from.

[Grommo]

Hi, it comes from the Lippisch archives now stored at iowa university

[ytimachev]

dude i thought Russian built the MIGS? or i may be wrong by a long shot

[Grommo]

They did, but even though the delta jet in the vid has mig 23 written on the tail it is an american convair that was used as a flying "prop" in a 1950s movie, just as they used Northrop F-5s to pretend to be Migs in "Top Gun".

[dandrums04]

kickass soundtrack. what is it?

[Grommo]

It's "The Kraken" by Hans Zimmer from the pirates of the caribbean, Dead man's Chest soundtrack.

Zimmer writes epic sounding scores for films like Gladiator etc.

Any of his music score albums are worth getting and often have little gems like this.

[DEP717]

0:46 you used th TiE fighter sound from Star Wars - It fits.

[Grommo]

Yeah. I mentioned to someone earlier that Joe Johnson and the starwars designers were fans of the lippisch and sketches of it appear in "the art of StarWars".

There is a instructional film on the Me163 that has the original sound of the Walter rocket engine which must have been awesome. A ramjet would make a spectacular roar too.

[wackokicker]

very nice concepts, it's a shame that they were funded by hitler

[MasterVageSha]

Hitler was an excellent funder. Shame on you for saying funding by der Führer is a shame.

[wackokicker]

He chewed more than he could have swallow...

[capnjonas]

Yes, he had more enthusiasm than the current batch of pursestring tightening Chancellors. They pay other countries to design for them then whine when it takes 20 years to see results.

20 years... the Nazis were inly in power for half that time. The Germans don't have rocket scientists like Lippisch or Von Braun anymore, shame. T.T

[TEbersberger]

@capnjonas ...well, actually we still do... but most of the good ones wander off to the US for higher wages ;-)...

[giga772]

Wed have colonies on Mars by now if the Germans had taken over the world.

[CloudElve]

@giga772 I don't really think so. I think if the Germans had won WW2, we'd probably not have gotten as far as we are today. Don't forget Hitler's ideal for people was a traditional family oriented farming lifestyle. That was what the idea of 'Lebensraum' was all about. The technology was a means to an end, winning the war. Had Hitler gotten that far, he would probably have cut on spending for technology dramatically, and focused on the enslavement of the conquered instead.

[SteveSpicerPortsmuth]

@giga772

Funny. Many of those brilliant German engineers ended up in the USA, where they were given way more resources and finances they could have ever dreamt of in Nazi Germany. We haven't been farther than the moon,.

Quit living in a fantasy world.

We'd also have dangerous examples of inbreeding from the nazis crazy ideas of creating some super-race. They should have taken a hint from the Blue blood royals of the past.

In a nazi world there'd be little technological progress.

[mrfrankincense]

@giga772 Unless we're jewish, gay or disabled.

[MrTrescojones]

@giga772 did you know that Werner Von Braun was sent to prison and sentenced to death as a degenerate by the nazis for his interest in space travel, can you also see that 'we' would not be welcome or around anymore in their scheme?

For over a decade THEY STOLE GERMANY and murdered many of her citizens for nothing

[giga772]

@MrTrescojones

He was not sent to prison because he was a degenerate, he was jailed because Himmler suspected him of treason to the British. These allegations were dropped and he was freed of the charges after 2 days, something that happens today in all so wonderful democracy's every time btw. Also they did not steel Germany they were elected by the people and the only ones steeling Germany are the Zionist Bankers of today.

[Zastava]

Looking up some of the German experimental aircraft is amazing. So cool, so crazy.

They usually remind me of something I would expect to see in Cowboy Bebop.

[CVKent317]

How was that design to do Mach 2.6 with such thick-ass wings?

I mean the XP-92A which was an American version of the same concept had much thinner wings (It also had a bigger ramjet duct...)

[Grommo]

The XP-92A was initiated and supervised by Lippisch. He worked for convair post war.

The design was tested up to Mach 2.6 in a supersonic wind tunnel and was stable. It doesn't mean that a production aircraft could ever get to that speed though.

Later wind tunnel tests of the full size DM1 glider revealed the need to sharpen the leading edges and thin the wings.

[gtst321]

Please! What is the music? It's your pick of music that makes this compelling.

[Grommo]

It's "The Kraken" by Hans Zimmer from the pirates of the caribbean, Dead man's Chest soundtrack.

Zimmer writes epic sounding scores for films like Gladiator etc.

He also did the music for Lion King.

[Grommo]

You might also notice a spot of StarWars Tie Fighter sound effect thrown in as the Lippisch does a fly past.

The ramjet would have made a roar as can be heard on a number of youtube model ramjet tests

[gtst321]

Thanks! I've been looking for music like that for another project of mine. It fits the bill "real nice" and I never would have been able to identify it without your help.

[dgk196]

Is there any other footage available...........

Who should I contact about accessing such data?

Thank you.......

Dennis

[Grommo]

Lippisch film archives of iowa university would be a good start. They have a website too.

[icebird1961]

No question about it - the germans had been far superior in allmost all kinds of technology at the WWII;

it's just lucky that Adolf H. wasn't smart enough to use the weapons effevtively;

remember: the basics /nuclear fision/ of the atom bomb was also invetet by the germans - by Prof. Otto Hahn - the germans had the best engineers by far, who halpe later to develop the US & Russian jet fighters & moon rockets, and the CONTAX/ LEICA Cameras been cpied all over the world and, and..

Wunderkinder!

[brendonnz1964]

Icebird, The US military tech from 1940 was basically British, US Navy designed off Royal Navy, and after 1945 US military Tech was British and German.USA got a lot of tech from Britain 1940 as they had their backs to the wall with the Germans, smartest th9ing Germans should have done is completely leave the Brits alone.Then US would not have got their Tech so easily.

[fluffy1931]

@icebird1961 bs' dude Otto Hahn is credited with identifiying nuclear fission not inventing fission- first artificial nuclear fission happened in Dec 2 1942' at the University of Chicago CP-1 first working nuclear reactor constructed under Fermi. The germans never constructed a working nuclear reactor before or ww2.

Mig 15 benefited from german research but was pure feat of design,engineering product of the USSR - the Mig 15's jet engine is a reversed engineered British nenne jet engine.

[TopGunMan]

@icebird1961 hell they still do.

[EW0Canuk]

@icebird1961 cause they got fucking help look up werner von braun designer on the v2 rocket he says himself they got help from aliens thats why the germans were so advance they werent afraid to use the technology for domination the only problem they had was putting adolf hitler is charge for some reason they gave it to the guy who does know shit about actually fighting a war. they had 2 rockets in design at wars end "New york rocket" and the "mars rocket" funny how we plan to go in 2030 ish lol

[MrTrescojones]

@icebird1961 check out straight wing vs delta supersonic shockwave research and area ruling, this aircraft would have been pretty unstable at mach 1 and would have been able to reach maybe half design speed because of things NOBODY knew then. Also look at microwave beams and the cavity magnetron, and awacs, Allan Turing and COLLOSSUS, ASDIC and low noise sonar, semiconductors, laminar flow supercritical airfoils and scientific managment ans try and spot the german origions.

[MrTrescojones]

@icebird1961 . The first step out of 7 or 8 in building a fission bomb is to control neutron emmission. As the 3rd reich's nuclear program leader, Hiesenberg and hid team couldnt even figure that out,they thought that heavy water was the key which cant work.. Only Fermi succeeded. At Gottingen university in the 1920s and early 30s(which was staffed by experts from all over the world who exchanged ideas), this was too speculative even for science fiction. They wanted to know how stars work.

[OPE08]

@icebird1961 - If the Germans were "far superior in most kinds of technology in WWII", name three?

[MrMoorkey]

@OPE08 Beer, Wurst sausages, and Lederhosen. haha They were'nt 'far superior', they just had the lead on the rest of the world, and we caught up.

[OPE08]

@MrMoorkey - A great many people believe that, in some nebulous undefined way, they "they had the lead", or they started out ahead, or what have you, but I've never found anything to back that up.

They started the war with a great deal of WWI tech, ( their infantry weaponry for the most part) just like everyone else. Their air forces were superior in a small part, in fighters, dive bombers and light bombers only. I'll give them a superior Sub fleet definitely, but what else?

[MrMoorkey]

@OPE08 Really, you have covered all I meant there. Their air force / understanding of aeronautic sciences were undoubtedly superior (DFS192, the Me163's predecessor, flew in 1940 when we were flying around in mk2 Spits) and their submarine tech was superior. Their grasp of the importance of rocketry and ballistics was also slightly ahead. They were let down by an inferior attitude, and a leader who didn't listen to his generals, and advisors, leading to the failure of the Me262 and the like.

[OPE08]

@MrMoorkey - I've heard the "if it weren't for the Madman" line of thinking before, and I don't follow it, I even think it makes it harder to truly understand the era. You could easily point out that if it "weren't for the madman" that none of that early research would have existed in the first place.

I don't think that the DFS194 is evidence of superior knowledge, just evidence of the "try everything" additude the regime had. Which diluted their results in the end

[OPE08]

@MrMoorkey - Rocketry yes, ballistics no, unless you are referring to the production of the intermediate infantry rifle round, but that study was begun prior to the Nazi regimes existence and was well known world wide. Germany was not the first to produce and use an assault rifle, and various countries were already working on them in the 20's and 30's.

And the "failure" of the 262 was inevitable, too little too late, it wasn't due to politics, but to the collapse of the infrastructure.

[Cavelson]

Those pilots have balls!

[bowman2064]

Looks like the small alien-fighter-ships from "Independence Day"

[Tuberglue]

Excellent.. :)

[BasicModelling]

Absolutely.. :)

[wardgaurd]

wow.... speechless...... O__o

[slopedarmor]

I know a lot about german advanced technology during WWII. But I've never seen this before! first reaction was very fake but such an detailed description, so I googled, now I've seen models and stuff on the net! Still not sure or everything in this vid is real, but... I'm glad I saw it very interesting prototypes!

Now what if the german ufos turn out to be real....

well now I'm off looking for more of this stuff!

[Grommo]

This Lippisch design is very famous. He invented the delta wing!

I don't think you'll find the German ufos turn out to be real as the Germans only funded legitimate aerodynamic designs and their development leaves a person as well as a paper trail. Books on Nazi UFOs fund Holocaust denialists.

I've found it easy enough in the past to speak to eyewitnesses for events in 1920s let alone 1940s.

The film here is real but may be a large glide test model of the jet configuration of the P13a

[slopedarmor]

yeah but I'm not serious about those ufos, and I'm not a holocaust denialist either ;)

It's just I didn't knew it existed, and that it has an star wars look to it which doesn't add much credibility.

Especially people who don't know what a Me 262 or 163 or horten ho is won't be convinced by a single vid. And people who have never heard of the v1 and v2 before won't even bother googling this interceptor.

I'm already dreaming of a homemade p13a with a ramjet which is powered by a pulsejet ;)

[Grommo]

Funnily enough, if you look at the original starwars spaceship design drawings by Joe Johnson you will see illustrations of the P13a which they then evolved into the imperial Star-destroyer which opens the 1st movie and the later speeder-bike of Endor. All the Starwars imperial craft were heavily influenced by WW2 designs. The Millenium Falcon has 3 Panther Tank rear decks on its rear deck.

I have an OS pulsejet put aside for making an RC P13a if I get the time to make one one day.

[slopedarmor]

yes I see the resemblance with the star destroyer, not with the speederbike though.

And very funny seeing panhter tank decks on the falcon!

PS another great idea for an homebuild rc plane: the german "triebflugel"! All you need is three ramjets and some sort of starting motor(s). talking about a challenge...

PS did you found that wind tunnel info/pic on the net? If so, could you give me that link?

[Grommo]

No I had the pic in a book on Lippisch. Do a search for Lippisch on Amazon on Historic aviation for titles.

You would need to sort an adjustable pitch system for the triebflugel, and preferably a collective setup.

Some Estes rockets could start it up or Just run it with three pulsejets. Even three ducted fans might almost work if some radio gear rotated with the rotor and separate radio for flight controls.

[Grommo]

You need the "Art of Starwars" books to see the the designs.

George Lucas himself is an aviation buff and knows all these designs backwards and can recite engine specs on Focke Wulfs and Mustangs etc etc.

[thibautthomas]

Thanks for that very very rare video Grommo !

[Colubedy]

How the hell did u get that footage?!

[Grommo]

Lippisch film archives of iowa university has lots of films of Lippisch work, Ram jet tests, wing in ground effect, aerodynes etc

[vbrandenstein]

GREAT STUFF GROMMO!

SIMPLY...WOW!!!

that rare footage of the Lippisch on Approach i believe... is simply extraordinary!

thank you

[Humbertusmarius]

Very good video.

[DesignJZ]

GREAT