WSOP 2008 Main Event - KK over JJ Amazing Read

[bala1729]

One day I hope...

Nah...dream, of playing this good.

Unreal.

[mattgunner25]

A good fold is the move I have the most respect for in hold em

[milan777777]

"how do i drop tables with people like this

i mean there are 2 mio idiots out there

and i got to drop guys laying Jacksfull

down on me allright" Mike „The Mouth“ Matusow XD XD XD

[unleashymma]

do you think norman chad went and became the chef in the monastery :)

[awowsmatow]

I seen another amazing laydown by romanello recently.Think it was in the poker after dark 2010 series.They're on youtube if you can find it.He is an excellent reader of the game.Truly brilliant laydown.(so is his other one)

[kinc1967]

super sick laydown

[Touristmaverick]

In Omaha, this would have been a pretty sweet laydown. In hold'em, this is such an INSANE one... You know you made an incredibly good fold when the most conservative player at the table, who also heappens to be a long-time pro, tells you he has never seen nor made any like that...

[bryanmallen]

If the dude with Kings shuts his mouth and is silent, the guy would've absolutely called. He basically told him, I have a HUGE hand by all that chirping. Now, he still had to decide if the other players "big hand" would be a straight but I guess he knew the guy wouldn't value bet the river with a straight. Great fold none the less

[bryanmallen]

What an awesome video....and it ends with one of the lamest comments in WSOP history

[MrKeix]

it was Geller's talkin that gave it away...the idiot...please just dont raise me and then OK il show...tho sayin even if he told me he had Kings full id still go broke

[LisaJJMerry]

@MrKeix I totally agree. Geller saying "just don't raise me" was a big mistake.

[bullss21]

For once, Mike Matusow says exactly what everyone can agree with.

[insidejoker89]

I think everyone overlooked the fact that Geller gave his hand away by saying, "don't raise me." This is live poker, and Geller gave off a bunch of tells the whole hand. This is simply the old-fashioned kind of hand reading by Romanello, without much if any of the technical stuff involved.

[janosiadam]

I wanna see Norman Chad cooking in a monastery.

[bajskorvaren]

its a evry very very good call but not the best, if you think about it, he represented a strong hand preflop and pretty much the only thing he would raise with on the river was a full house, and JJ was the weakest full house after 10j

[jsham23]

@bajskorvaren Er, wrong. He could of raised with AK, or any other strong A. Each of which is beaten by pocket Js. J J J 10 10 > 10 10 A A A, or a two pair/straight. Romanello put Geller specifically on one of only three hands from a possible 8 that could of beaten him - that also complies with the betting, and position.

If you were so good, you'd be there playing, not on Youtube. Just admit it was a FANTASTIC fold, one like you could never make and run back to your computer, cherub ;D

[bajskorvaren]

@jsham23 He would def not reraised AK on river on that board, if u knew anything about poker

Also u unbelieveable moron i said it was a very very very good call but not the best, i never claimed to do it better u just make the world facepalm with ure stupidity

[jsham23]

@bajskorvaren Pre-flop raise buddy. You said he represented a strong hand pre-flop - i was saying it could of been with any strong Ace, in which JJ would have it beat. He specifically put him on one of the only two viable hands Geller raised pre-flop with out of a possible 8 he could of done so with, to fold.

[bajskorvaren]

@jsham23 even as strong as AK wouldnt raise that river

[BraceletAccumulatrT2]

@jsham23 Just to reiterate, according to you, someone like Phil Ivey is not allowed to go on youtube, because he'd be playing in the WSOP? Dont assume everyone who is on youtube is an idiot, who knows maybe you'll learn something, such as the fact that any competent poker player would never reraise with AK or any strong ace (not even AT).

[jsham23]

@BraceletAccumulatrT2 His first post was regarding a pre-flop bet. That is what i was suggesting. He could of raised pre-flop with any strong Ace.

So don't be condescending when you have no idea what we're talking about :)

[staceyrj13]

This is my take on the hand.G raised, and checked the flop. When the turn put 4 cards to a straight on the board, G can no longer bet his hand for value, so he checks again. R knows that if G made a straight he has to bet for value with 2 players in the hand. When the board pairs the river, and G raises, R knows that he must have a full house if he's raising for value, knowing that if G had a straight he would have bet the turn. Still is a crazy fold which I never would have been able to make.

[iFinnaRobYouu]

What other hands could Geller possibly be raising for value on the river that Romanello can beat? He never raises a pot sized river bet from Romanello with a queen once the board pairs. AA KK and 1010 are the only real value hands he can have. Hes not even raising A10 K10 or j10. Also once Geller checks the flop and turn behind, hes never really bluffing the river cuz if he had air he prolly would have just c bet flop or delayed c bet turn IMO. Still a great fold and not saying at all id make.

[2011blueman]

I think it would have gone different if Deller hadn't said "just don't raise me".

[ImperviousMason]

i've folded jj on a jqk board :)

[eman8201]

@ImperviousMason good for you bro. probably a dumb fold



[ImperviousMason]

@eman8201 i thought about it for 30 seconds and asked him to show and he showed KK, so no it was a good fold...

and even if he didn't show come on now.

[sebaxoo]

i would have call there always, never raise/never fold.

[ZikicaKikica]

Chuck Norris would of folded preflop.

[Nondo]

I wouldn't have called with jacks full.

I would have gone broke with jacks full. XD

[RustDemon79]

4th nuts, preflop raise and position float twice, large re-raise on river... I bet everyone who thinks this was an impossible fold is also "the unluckiest player" ever.

[eman8201]

@RustDemon79 ur a faggot

[mm1k3y]

all i can say is maybe preflop it was raise re raise re raise call.... so hes thinking aces or kings from the off.... n then has to fold because the ace and king hit... sooo thats the only way of justifying it. c'mon guys u dont jus fuckin fold a full house cos u 'gota feeling' fish play on 'ive got a feeling' 26 off but 'ive got a feeling so ill call'<<< bulllllll sht get to fuc.

[kemoblue4u]

i woulve called...i wouldve put him on a hand like AK or AJ but probably not AA or KK....great fold

[drbdrbrobertdrbdrb]

@kemoblue4u I would've called as well, but certainly not put him on AK or AJ, but rather AQ....Geller would never raise AK or AJ in that spot.

[kemoblue4u]

@drbdrbrobertdrbdrb yeah ur right..now that i look back on the hand...AQ does seem like the likely hand due to the play....lol i wouldve shoved...and then cried when he turned over Kings full.

[edpoker69]

@drbdrbrobertdrbdrb how do you put him on AQ that would of gave him the straight on the turn which he would have to bet for value at that point with 2 other players in the hand.

[PlayStationPoper]

couldnt have folded there too. this was really a great play

[broseph318]

at bare minimum....good players are just smooth calling....but all the rest of the world goes broke....great fold.

[melvinbennett3]

woulda been funny if he layed down jacks and dude shows queen for the straight lol

[lg123xyz]

Mike... please stfu.

[akkaragri]

Mike Matusow s reaction is just priceless lmao

[lisbon6767]

no matter what he should have at least callled that

[J3ofHearts]

the only fold that would have been better is if that guy folded quad aces against that royal flush

[SCripshow4]

So sick. The way it played out you could possibly put him on a hand like AA or KK, but there is no way with Jacks full you could get away from it. The only rational decision I guess would of been you were out of position and he did have a sizeable raise pre. Seeing the way Geller had played before that I would repsect his raise...so its possible, but I still couldn't bring myself to fold jacks full there even if I had a slight read that he possibly could have it..unreal lay down

[johnalt16]

Geller shouldn't have said anything, especially when he confidently says no, then says he'll show. Great read though.

Gotta love Matusow's reaction

[fitey43]

This is a great fold but I do not think that it is as good as everyone makes it out to be. As someone said earlier, Geller is not re-raising with the Straight, Trips or Two Pair. If you factor in the pre-flop raise then Romanello has to assume that Geller has wired Aces or Kings. When shown this for the first time my friend blocked the sound and Geller's cards. I called out his hand but in a real situation I would flat call the river if it was a deepstack, long blinds tournament.

[fitey43]

This is a great fold but I do not think that it is as good as everyone makes it out to be. As someone said earlier, Geller is not re-raising with the Straight, Trips or Two Pair. If you factor in the pre-flop raise then Romanello has to assume that Geller has wired Aces or Kings. When shown this for the first time my friend blocked the sound and Geller's cards. I called out his hand but in a real situation I would flat call the river if it was a deepstack, long blinds tournament.

[zalkin83]

I like Matusows honesty and appreciation of the game here.

[AlanDaTalon]

great laydown, but i've still seen better.

[CautionCU]

You guys are idiots do you think he is reraising a straight or top two?

[astroboy315]

"wow how do you fuckin fold that hand?!"

[IlGrinch87]

and the straight????

[nit2winit11]

What would have been even sicker is if he had pocket 10s then hit quads and he reraised the other guys raise all in and the guy with pocket kings folds and shows that would have been super sick .

[astroboy315]

@nit2winit11 lol that would be pretty epic

[oreocookiedough]

My favourite part is the Planters Peanut popping out of the guys head

[asianmonk]

call then muck IMO

[Hill568]

I think its a bad lay down imo. Yeah he did have the worse hand but most of the time your gonna be good there in that spot.

[dannyburge]

@Hill568 nah it's never a bad lay down when you're right!! i'd have probably called it tbh

[casinohustler]

mikes comment HOW DO I DRAW TABLES WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS THERES 2 MILLION IDIOTS OUT THERE AND I GOTTA DRAW GUYS LAYING DOWN JACKS FULL AND BEING RIGHT hahahaha

[Seanyboyh]

You cant rationalise what he did. Just an incredible fold by a very perceptive player. I cant think of ever seeing a better fold.

LOL at people saying they probably wouldn't fold there. 99.9999% of players at least call there.

[JeeRaph]

@Seanyboyh I get all my chips in as soon as I can.

[sandwich0990]

@Seanyboyh

not really.. many would reraise haha

[P5hngMeAwaay]

You guys are saying that cuz you can actually see the Hole Cards, try folding that hand in his position. Amazing Fold

[RHeckman00]

Great fold? In this case, yes. But I know nothing about this guy. He could just be an extremely tight player that folds monster hands to aggressive players on a regular basis (and many times, he probably has the winning hand)

[ElSpewtardo]

Yeah you obv know nothing because Roberto Romanello is a sick sick player...

[mark0nish]

it is a great fold but stil we dont have all hand here..to see how does it go..guy with KK..did REraise rpeflop so it was a big chance that he have AA...or KK...he could have and QQ...but then he would hardly chek turn...so..

[tc4101]

idiot said he will show. if he said he will show he would fold. stupid play. u want him to call. really really dumb

[LocoAurinegro]

I dont care how many times people try to break this down or figure it out, it is the greatest fold in the history of poker ENOUGH SAID

[DeconJBlues]

Agreed. I probably lose all my chips here. Folding would not have even been an option it'd be call or play the rest of my chips, most likely going with the latter. This read is simply amazing.

[johndeerishere]

@LocoAurinegro 

I agree. There's a case for laying down JJ on the turn with four to a straight anyone with a Queen has the current nuts, but after the board paired on the river, that's an unbelievable laydown. And just because the guy with the Kings reraised preflop does'nt mean he did'nt have AK or AQ suited.

[Lalilelulolila]

@LocoAurinegro True enuff, if it were me.. I would have made raise for about half my remaining stack or went all in.. i mean how many times r u gonna see fullhouse in 1 game?

[fitey43]

@Lalilelulolila In the WSOP with 30k starting chips and 2 hour blind levels? If you play properly then more than you would expect.

[MrFlogu]

@LocoAurinegro i couldnt never fold that card how could he do that god what was he thinking

[akbar232323]

@LocoAurinegro It was the most amazing fold in history, i saw it liek 2 years ago, it is pretty amazing, i told everyone about it, but 2 months ago, when i was at the Casino playing poker, I even saw a better fold, a fold u guys wont ever believe, flop comes 8, 7, 2, this guy takes an hour to think of the decision, then folds trip 7's the whole table went nuts, the other guy had trip 8's , he was like so shocked he folded, i was shocked like crazy!!!, thier was no flush draw or flush on board

[gabalaba11]

its hard to laid down set over set on ANY board...

[TheMasterChino]

one word.. COLLUSION!

[prongated]

...read OP's other comments - this guy compares Romanello to Negreanu in terms of hand reading. Hence, I'm simply saying:

1. It's the sort of (great, for sure) laydown you need to be able to make to survive in tournaments.

2. ...simply what other poker pros think of Daniel - he's overrated, TV makes him look good. For the record, Negreanu is actually my favourite poker player.

[thenutsisgood]

how do get on this table? theres a million idiots out there and i gotta get on a table with guys folding jacks full

[prongated]

...there you go, you said it. Not only is this a tournament as opposed to cash game, but this is live, not online. Online cash game, it's probably a snap call...

And btw why compare with Negreanu? Negreanu? Have you seen some of his big misreads? In any case, it seems that the pro players think he's overrated - tv (and the youtube clips) makes him look better than he actually is at reading hands...

[anro420]

Negreanu is 1st on the all time money list...

Overrated? I don't think so.

[chafe11]

@anro420, actually, Negreanu is 2nd behind Phil Ivey.

[jonnytrelll]

for once matusow actually saying something intelligent at the end there!!

[cas84utd]

Roberto Romanello is a Full Tilt pro and an excellent player. He would have to be an excellent player to lay down that hand. It is a truely remarkable play, especially seeing as Geller checked the flop and it was the first raise on the river.

[Search14]

its an amazing fold. I have no idea why he did it, that requires a high level of the thinking xD

in that case I would never fold that hand, most people wouldn't.

[spawndwalk]

supernit makes bit raise pre EP=AQ+ TT+ check flop as slowplay check turn cause of 1card straight checkraise river...what can he have? will he play queens like that? yes maybe will he play AK like that? no never will he play AA like that? yes certainly will he play KK like that? yes certainly will he play TT like that? yes certainly so we only beat like 2 handcombos plus the extra info from the strange acting (supertell in this case IMHO) still superb laydown..not easy to think about all that

[metallicrema]

He checked the turn because one guy holding a Q would beat him...

[whanxta]

Romanello, owns a fish and chip shop in Wales... and he checks...

LOL

[HomeReality]

such an amazing fold. i think that if i was in his position I would have to call. Some people would raise but you can't really earn any more money there with Jacks full.

When you really think about it, it was pretty obvious he had AA or KK, but I could not fold there. When you are the one holding the cards it's a lot harder to throw it away.

[SPIDER]

how can you say its obvious? its obvious to us, yes. you said yourself that you could not fold there, but if it is obvious.......

[Mackattack2294]

LMAO MIKE, "WOW! how do you fucking fold that hand?!'

[jpruk0]

Yeah his comments are very very funny. "How do I draw tables with people like this? I mean theres nearly 2 million idiots out there, and I gotta draw guys laying Jacks full down being right"

[OBonifacio]

I think its also important to know how big the stakes are at this moment. somebody knows?

[dmi3rus]

what about when you make moves? do you want people to call?

[larrymcg421]

Why do people agree to show their hands? It takes away incentive for the other person to call.

[jakedanx]

it can also lead them in to a false sense of security so you can bluff

[AmnezYo]

best fold of the tournament ^^

[dmi3rus]

by a mile!

[svMarek]

1:22 "Please dont raise me" .. WHAT A BLUFF ^_^

[budweiserbob]

From the way that they go on about it in the video, I'm gonna assume that the pre-flop bet was significantly high. So assuming this, plus the info that a player of his calibre (which for making that move, must be high) got from playing on the same table as that guy with KK, the move was probably a lot easier than you think.

But we could justify it in a million ways, at the end of the day it was still an awesome lay down. One I never could've made, and I consider myself better than average. :D

[1985pza]

OMG.... This guy could be rich in future

[jessie11982]

Not saying i'd have folded, i'd have been blinded by it enough to call (maybe not re-raise) but think of it like this, you cant see the cards, but would that guy honestly be re-raising with a straight with a paired board. So he is either bluffing (doubt it) or, he had a set on the flop, turn, or quads on the river. Having said that, i'd have probably just called that. Awesome fold you have to admit though.