hi there. Im having problems with feedback as I'm not a very loud singer but am in a rock band..!! I'm currently using a sennheiser e935 but it's picking up too much noise of drums, amps and then feedback if turned up in the monitor. I'm thinking of purchasing an audix om7 / beyerdynamic opus 89 / audio technica ae6100. any advise would be brilliant..
@quemming If ya sing very close to the mic, the Audix is going to help a lot. If you sing farther away, you will need to be more on top of wedge placement and really ring out the monitors well if the band is loud.
@www73171 thanks so much for getting back to me on this. i sing close to the mic and spit quite an amount but haven't a very loud voice. drummer is loud and therefore amps need to go up so its loud on stage..!! we also use wedge monitors so feedback can be an issue and we play on some stages that we are limited for space. would you recommend any mic in particular for this situation.
neumann in the studio is ace but the km 104 105 sound dreadful a much over-hyped kudos mic. Audix well I have tried them all they all seem to have something missing but sound better than the dreadful sm58. Condensers do not work well in noisy environments its true feedback can be an issue .That's why screamers and rock bands like 58's because they are so crap(the mic) they are deaf. perfect for rejection . MC's well they could use a toy mic seriously they are not vocalists are they?.
I wanna sing sharing the same mic with my band mate like Lennon/McCartney did. Which mic would you recommend for this? The pub will be playing is the typical small Irish pub. Could you give me 2 choices?
The audio technica AE5400 elite series is a far superior mic to those being tested here it is the true professionals choice including among others Sting , Joe longthorne Barbara Streisand Elton john and many many others these tests prove only that certain mics have certain characteristics and or more or less prone to off axis rejection . However stage setup and pa choices will almost certainly affect the quality of your sound got crap gear well what do you expect a miracle?
@singingtart Hmmm, I really try and stay away from bias and to broadly state the AT mic is far superior is questionable. Superior at feedback rejection over the Audix? Not even close. Superior durability over the dynamics? Doubtful. Open natural sound over the Neumann? I personally tailor my mic choice to the vocalist's style and voice to establish an optimum so while the AT may be a solid choice for some applications it is important to note that 'some' is the key word.
@singingtart Superior is a strange word to use. I'm sure all the singers you reference get a great result out of the AT mic, and I'm sure their very talented engineers chose them for good reason. However would this mic work well for a metal band who need 115dB coming out of their wedges? Or how about for an MC who cups the mic and throws it around?
There are dozens of different mics out there that are considered pro level, and I bet all of them have at least one application where they are best.
me and my mother will sing live in a hotel this summer season, the songs will be soft and some will require more power, so it will not be anything like rock stage with to much noise and stuff, but because i want to record some opera arias in my house, thats why i ask for the e 865 sennheiser.
hi, i am a singer, i have no idea about mics, but i am intersted for sennheiser e 865 for live vocals, can someone use it also for a home studio mic? also, i have a powerful voice and i sing pop and opera, will I be able to use it correctly? thanks to anyone who will answer this :)
@charisaob I have always had a good experience with my Sennheiser e835, which is somewhat of a different beast. I use it for lead vocals in my studio, and I can get a full and powerful yet clear sound with minimal processing. Though I've had no experience with any other Sennheiser microphones and I've only occasionally used my e835 in a live situation, I'm quite impressed with it and in my opinion it's a fantastic vocal microphone. If you'd like to hear it in use, check out my videos.
thanks 4 the info, I really like the uploads bout the micro wedges! this vid is very helpful B/C im upgrading the system at my church. The mix is KMS9, KSM105 & E965, Earthworks SR30 my top running but som1 suggested Audio Technica AE5400, AE3300, Blue encore 300, telefunken M80 i've used all but the latter & the E965. they're cheaper but is it worth it cause i need 10..LOL
i just got approval for my console choice, Midas Pro3
Thanks and while I<m at it with questions What would you suggest instead of floor monitors would an audio jumper rmx and earphones do the job I<m a singer acoustic guitar player. and if so which earphones would you suggest thank again this would save me a lot of review readings lollll
hey thanks man for the free info . how does a shure 87 do on these test ? just in case you know. the neumann 105 in said to be one of the best live mics on the market from what I can see from your test it picks up all the noise around it, I'm confused I play acoustic guitar and sing solo what would be the best mic in your opinion? Rick
@Stoneacoustic Best is relative with mics as is is with cars. Best sounding? most durable? Best on a loud stage? Best for singers that spit a lot? Each mic has assets and issues. The 105's sound great and I avoid them on loud stages with singers that throw the mic.
Hey Dave, nice vid. I'm trying to decide between the OM5 and one of the Sennheisers. I'm a singer/guitarist, which means that in playing I'm coming off the mic at times. Which do you think has better distance tolerance? You didn't show that on the e865.
I say the EV Neo line r good if you have a weak, thin voice. If you have a loud fat voice they'll be 'too much' when trying to blend with other singers through the same monitors (small band/stage setting) and this line plays horribly with other brands running through the same system.
EV N/D line is rich and powerful, but that might not be what your voice needs.
Rat is not going to tolerate 3-5 different vocal mic's on stage, where's some weekend gigger may have no choice.
@generatrix999 Well I have quite the opposite of the weak, thin voice! I have very strong and pronounced vocals especially when I scream! lol! I currently use an Audix Om2 and want to upgrade! Any suggestions for a Hardcore Vocalist who also wants to sing?
@xXMJHarvey89Xx Have not really checked them out. I have used the 867 and earlier versions. I will try and check them out. The 8xx and 7xx series I found to be pretty good general purpose mics but not stunning for any particular application. Combine that with the fact that we do not see them show up on riders means we just have not added them to the rental inventory. That said, I do like a lot of EV products and EV is sponsoring mics on Warped 2010, we will see what the response is.
Excellent demo...nicely focused on illustrating how the mics are different instead of crowning one as the "best".
It's hilarious that some people will see bias even in a balanced, pragmatic comparison like this one. In the real world, every singer and every room is different; it's all about the right mic for the situation.
@miesvanderrobot Thank you, I appreciate the comment and am glad you pointed out the true purpose of the video. Yes, I do not believe there is a "best" but rather "the proper tool for the job at hand" and knowing the traits of the various options helps us select the best choice.
You sound like an Audix Spokesperson. The Sennheiser 835 showed a waaaaay better gain structure. The rear rejection was far better than the Audix. If you're gonna test the mics, then do it in an unbiased manner. I also can't see how you fail to mention that the Shure, Neumann & Sennheiser all "OBVIOUSLY" have a better pickup pattern. Most professionals on stage don't sit there with the mic glued to their lips. This is a nice way for you to push your "AUDIX" preference. haha
You sound like an Audix Spokesperson. The Sennheiser 835 showed a waaaaay better gain structure. The rear rejection was far better than the Audix. If you're gonna test the mics, then do it in an unbiased manner. I also can't see how you fail to mention that the Shure, Neumann & Sennheiser all "OBVIOUSLY" have a better pickup pattern. Most professionals on stage don't sit there with the mic glued to their lips. This is a nice way for you to push your "AUDIX" preference. haha
@djpkboo I have been mixing front of house sound for the Red Hot Chili Peppers for 20 years and the Audix is the best choice so far for Anthony, same with Pearl Jam. But, when I was mixing Beck, the Audix's were too directional. It is all about selecting the optimum mic for the artist. This concept of 'obviously better' makes as little sense as saying a spoon is better than a fork.
A condenser mic has a metallic diaphagm between two electrically charged plates and requires a small amp usually built into the mic. A dynamic has has a voice coil immersed in a magnetic field. because of various design aspects including the lightweight condenser diapragms, condensers tend to be clearer sounding yet more susceptible to feedback.
hi there. Im having problems with feedback as I'm not a very loud singer but am in a rock band..!! I'm currently using a sennheiser e935 but it's picking up too much noise of drums, amps and then feedback if turned up in the monitor. I'm thinking of purchasing an audix om7 / beyerdynamic opus 89 / audio technica ae6100. any advise would be brilliant..
quemming 1 month ago
@quemming If ya sing very close to the mic, the Audix is going to help a lot. If you sing farther away, you will need to be more on top of wedge placement and really ring out the monitors well if the band is loud.
www73171 1 month ago
@www73171 thanks so much for getting back to me on this. i sing close to the mic and spit quite an amount but haven't a very loud voice. drummer is loud and therefore amps need to go up so its loud on stage..!! we also use wedge monitors so feedback can be an issue and we play on some stages that we are limited for space. would you recommend any mic in particular for this situation.
quemming 1 month ago
which mic would you recommend, for a guy that could sing like David Coverdale? Thks!
lost66199 3 months ago
@lost66199 It's hard to say, maybe see what David Coverdale sings into.
www73171 1 month ago
neumann in the studio is ace but the km 104 105 sound dreadful a much over-hyped kudos mic. Audix well I have tried them all they all seem to have something missing but sound better than the dreadful sm58. Condensers do not work well in noisy environments its true feedback can be an issue .That's why screamers and rock bands like 58's because they are so crap(the mic) they are deaf. perfect for rejection . MC's well they could use a toy mic seriously they are not vocalists are they?.
singingtart 5 months ago
This is really helpful
archivestereo 6 months ago
I wanna sing sharing the same mic with my band mate like Lennon/McCartney did. Which mic would you recommend for this? The pub will be playing is the typical small Irish pub. Could you give me 2 choices?
boliboy2299 7 months ago
@boliboy2299 Use a cardioid mic as it has a wider pattern. A Shure SM58, not Beta58 should do the trick.
www73171 7 months ago
The audio technica AE5400 elite series is a far superior mic to those being tested here it is the true professionals choice including among others Sting , Joe longthorne Barbara Streisand Elton john and many many others these tests prove only that certain mics have certain characteristics and or more or less prone to off axis rejection . However stage setup and pa choices will almost certainly affect the quality of your sound got crap gear well what do you expect a miracle?
singingtart 11 months ago
@singingtart Hmmm, I really try and stay away from bias and to broadly state the AT mic is far superior is questionable. Superior at feedback rejection over the Audix? Not even close. Superior durability over the dynamics? Doubtful. Open natural sound over the Neumann? I personally tailor my mic choice to the vocalist's style and voice to establish an optimum so while the AT may be a solid choice for some applications it is important to note that 'some' is the key word.
www73171 11 months ago 4
@singingtart Superior is a strange word to use. I'm sure all the singers you reference get a great result out of the AT mic, and I'm sure their very talented engineers chose them for good reason. However would this mic work well for a metal band who need 115dB coming out of their wedges? Or how about for an MC who cups the mic and throws it around?
There are dozens of different mics out there that are considered pro level, and I bet all of them have at least one application where they are best.
TheDave000 5 months ago
@singingtart The AE5400 can work well with certain singers as long as the stage volume is low as it is with the artists you mention.
www73171 1 month ago
me and my mother will sing live in a hotel this summer season, the songs will be soft and some will require more power, so it will not be anything like rock stage with to much noise and stuff, but because i want to record some opera arias in my house, thats why i ask for the e 865 sennheiser.
charisaob 11 months ago
hi, i am a singer, i have no idea about mics, but i am intersted for sennheiser e 865 for live vocals, can someone use it also for a home studio mic? also, i have a powerful voice and i sing pop and opera, will I be able to use it correctly? thanks to anyone who will answer this :)
charisaob 11 months ago
@charisaob I have always had a good experience with my Sennheiser e835, which is somewhat of a different beast. I use it for lead vocals in my studio, and I can get a full and powerful yet clear sound with minimal processing. Though I've had no experience with any other Sennheiser microphones and I've only occasionally used my e835 in a live situation, I'm quite impressed with it and in my opinion it's a fantastic vocal microphone. If you'd like to hear it in use, check out my videos.
tmfcovers 10 months ago
@tmfcovers thanks, your answer is fully apriciated. :) I check out your videos.
charisaob 10 months ago
Thanks!
alvaritooooooooo 11 months ago
nice clip man unbias testing keep up the good work ;)
mikeguitarcoleman 1 year ago
Great!! I wish there were more of the usual mics in the test. =)
-But I guess I can just go do it myself now. ;-)
zapzzapzzapz 1 year ago
thanks 4 the info, I really like the uploads bout the micro wedges! this vid is very helpful B/C im upgrading the system at my church. The mix is KMS9, KSM105 & E965, Earthworks SR30 my top running but som1 suggested Audio Technica AE5400, AE3300, Blue encore 300, telefunken M80 i've used all but the latter & the E965. they're cheaper but is it worth it cause i need 10..LOL
i just got approval for my console choice, Midas Pro3
knusence 1 year ago
@knusence Awesome!!
www73171 1 month ago
Wow man, well done! A lot of people don't have a idea about waht's the right choice for a vocal live mic. They do that just for a second hand...
You have done a very interesting and very simple test at same way!
Look at this " young" guys...;-)
hucchio 1 year ago
Thanks and while I<m at it with questions What would you suggest instead of floor monitors would an audio jumper rmx and earphones do the job I<m a singer acoustic guitar player. and if so which earphones would you suggest thank again this would save me a lot of review readings lollll
Stoneacoustic 1 year ago
@Stoneacoustic Many performers are using in-ear monitors as they are less visible but headphones will work well.
www73171 1 month ago
hey thanks man for the free info . how does a shure 87 do on these test ? just in case you know. the neumann 105 in said to be one of the best live mics on the market from what I can see from your test it picks up all the noise around it, I'm confused I play acoustic guitar and sing solo what would be the best mic in your opinion? Rick
Stoneacoustic 1 year ago
@Stoneacoustic Think of the SM87/Beta87 as a poor mans version of a KSM9. They do not sound as good and are not as stable. but a bit similar.
www73171 1 year ago
@www73171 thanks
Stoneacoustic 1 year ago
@www73171 how does a ksm9 compare to a neumann ksm105
Stoneacoustic 1 year ago
@Stoneacoustic The KSM9 is somewhere between the KSM and 865
www73171 1 year ago
@Stoneacoustic Best is relative with mics as is is with cars. Best sounding? most durable? Best on a loud stage? Best for singers that spit a lot? Each mic has assets and issues. The 105's sound great and I avoid them on loud stages with singers that throw the mic.
www73171 1 month ago
top vid that, keep em coming :)
wattdabny 1 year ago
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Fantastic video! I shall give this a go on Smaart.
akshayesinghkhanna 1 year ago
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Fantastic video! I shall give this a go on Smaart.
akshayesinghkhanna 1 year ago
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Fantastic video! I shall give this a go on Smaart.
akshayesinghkhanna 1 year ago
Fantastic video! I shall give this a go on Smaart.
akshayesinghkhanna 1 year ago
Really good tips! Will try to demo it with Smaart, in due course. Keep going!
akshayesinghkhanna 1 year ago
Nice, succinct demonstration, have you tried the e935?
More importantly, is that a TAD 4001 as the base of the mic stand on the left?
That's pretty pimp...
TallAlex1 1 year ago
@TallAlex1 That is a TAD 4002, and yes, I have tried the e935 and they respond similarly to the little brothers
www73171 1 year ago
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TallAlex1 1 year ago
Hey Dave, nice vid. I'm trying to decide between the OM5 and one of the Sennheisers. I'm a singer/guitarist, which means that in playing I'm coming off the mic at times. Which do you think has better distance tolerance? You didn't show that on the e865.
lunahart 1 year ago
@lunahart the senn has better tolerance to distance and the audix have better gain before feedback when you are close to the mic.
www73171 1 year ago
Gold, awesome video
gresticle 1 year ago
What analyzer is that?
RetroElectroville 1 year ago
@RetroElectroville an old Klark Teknic DN60
www73171 1 year ago
@www73171
Nice. Thanks for the comparison! This is one of the great things about YouTube.
RetroElectroville 1 year ago
Whats your opinion on the Electro-Voice N/D967 ? They seem to be really popular with Vocalists who scream etc...
xXMJHarvey89Xx 1 year ago
@xXMJHarvey89Xx
I say the EV Neo line r good if you have a weak, thin voice. If you have a loud fat voice they'll be 'too much' when trying to blend with other singers through the same monitors (small band/stage setting) and this line plays horribly with other brands running through the same system.
EV N/D line is rich and powerful, but that might not be what your voice needs.
Rat is not going to tolerate 3-5 different vocal mic's on stage, where's some weekend gigger may have no choice.
generatrix999 1 year ago
@generatrix999 Well I have quite the opposite of the weak, thin voice! I have very strong and pronounced vocals especially when I scream! lol! I currently use an Audix Om2 and want to upgrade! Any suggestions for a Hardcore Vocalist who also wants to sing?
xXMJHarvey89Xx 1 year ago
@xXMJHarvey89Xx Have not really checked them out. I have used the 867 and earlier versions. I will try and check them out. The 8xx and 7xx series I found to be pretty good general purpose mics but not stunning for any particular application. Combine that with the fact that we do not see them show up on riders means we just have not added them to the rental inventory. That said, I do like a lot of EV products and EV is sponsoring mics on Warped 2010, we will see what the response is.
www73171 1 year ago
awesome practical demonstration, good onya Dave!
rikvee 1 year ago
Thanks Dave... I love your videos man.
rudiebassic 1 year ago
nice info man. you kinda remind me of gene wilder btw
dahmer09 1 year ago 3
@dahmer09 Awesome, Gene Wilder is good, I usually get Jeff Spicoli, which I am fine with too. Got to keep my "business look going!"
www73171 1 year ago
Excellent demo...nicely focused on illustrating how the mics are different instead of crowning one as the "best".
It's hilarious that some people will see bias even in a balanced, pragmatic comparison like this one. In the real world, every singer and every room is different; it's all about the right mic for the situation.
Excellent video!
miesvanderrobot 1 year ago
@miesvanderrobot Thank you, I appreciate the comment and am glad you pointed out the true purpose of the video. Yes, I do not believe there is a "best" but rather "the proper tool for the job at hand" and knowing the traits of the various options helps us select the best choice.
www73171 1 year ago
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You sound like an Audix Spokesperson. The Sennheiser 835 showed a waaaaay better gain structure. The rear rejection was far better than the Audix. If you're gonna test the mics, then do it in an unbiased manner. I also can't see how you fail to mention that the Shure, Neumann & Sennheiser all "OBVIOUSLY" have a better pickup pattern. Most professionals on stage don't sit there with the mic glued to their lips. This is a nice way for you to push your "AUDIX" preference. haha
djpkboo 1 year ago
You sound like an Audix Spokesperson. The Sennheiser 835 showed a waaaaay better gain structure. The rear rejection was far better than the Audix. If you're gonna test the mics, then do it in an unbiased manner. I also can't see how you fail to mention that the Shure, Neumann & Sennheiser all "OBVIOUSLY" have a better pickup pattern. Most professionals on stage don't sit there with the mic glued to their lips. This is a nice way for you to push your "AUDIX" preference. haha
djpkboo 1 year ago
@djpkboo I have been mixing front of house sound for the Red Hot Chili Peppers for 20 years and the Audix is the best choice so far for Anthony, same with Pearl Jam. But, when I was mixing Beck, the Audix's were too directional. It is all about selecting the optimum mic for the artist. This concept of 'obviously better' makes as little sense as saying a spoon is better than a fork.
www73171 1 year ago 2
@www73171 Thank you for checking that num nut.
Xperimento56 1 year ago
i have that same mixer. UB802
MrBasementJams 2 years ago
thanks Dave! this is great for someone starting out with live sound.
m0de 2 years ago
intersting idea with the earplugs an the pink noise, thanks for this video.
highspooky 2 years ago
great demo. thanks!!!
danzefirelli 2 years ago
Good job. Thanks
Xas08 2 years ago
what's the difference between a condenser mic and a dynamic mic
Waterworks410 2 years ago
A condenser mic has a metallic diaphagm between two electrically charged plates and requires a small amp usually built into the mic. A dynamic has has a voice coil immersed in a magnetic field. because of various design aspects including the lightweight condenser diapragms, condensers tend to be clearer sounding yet more susceptible to feedback.
www73171 2 years ago
these vids are real handy....
nice one Mr. Rat
hanusanus666 2 years ago
Awesome demo. Thanks!!!
joevaq71 2 years ago
Wow..now Mics... this is going to be fun.
Good choice for this next "RATiation Lab" :)
Joelito2k9 2 years ago