Question: Going into Penn state Engineering, is the math and everything you talk about in your paper suppose to be known BEFORE going to Penn state? Or will that be taught there?
@Reality2Void back that up with some facts other than just a random personal attack if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise go back to your Legos, kid.
These quads can't be using GPS, compass, sonar, and baro for spacial awareness to that degree of accuracy.
I'm thinking there are quite a few emitters in that lab.
These won't be flying through your windows all on their own just yet.
Mind, there are commercially available boards that could be programmed to fly a claymore to just outside your office window all by itself, and your assassin could have been back in Kabul for a week ("Mr President").
@xAntiIdiot Or better yet...two packs on board gives you redundancy and the ability to drop one pack on a charging base and pick a charged one up, so you do not have to stay docked while charging. If there is at least 3 packs on the base you could turn right back around and pick up a second fully charged pack if needed.
Honestly everything you see in this video demonstrates assassination methods. Just mount a tiny gun on that thing, fly through a window, kill the bastard, and stick to the wall so nobody suspects a thing.
@lukosrage One potential application could be to deliver explosives against human targets. If they were used for this purpose, battery life wouldn't be an issue.
@lukosrage No, and why is that a paranoid thing to suggest? These things look a great deal cheaper than the $70,000 hellfire missiles that the air force openly uses to blow up people today, and they are light enough to be carried by a soldier.
I guess it is very good that you can't stop mankind to develop and progress everything to the next level and beyond. On the other hand....frightening. Brrr.
@crcaccounts ITs the other way around bro, this only means that the military will have some absoultley filthy gagets. Probably got these things mounted with missles an shit
So if you could combine some sort of induction charger with the perching you have a completely autonomous system that is ready to rock at a moment's notice and will take itself back to recharge when done. Multiple recharge points around your facility would give flexibility for applications like security. Motion sensors could pick up points of interest then automatically send the quad to investigate. Would certainly scare the life out of an intruder if that thing popped up in front of them! :)
Yup Skynet and Terminator videos seems have shown us truth. all these aggressive machines when go autonomous won't feel safe among human and we will witness the real Terminator era. I am getting ready for it hehehe. Awesome technology though. we are not going to be safe soon in our homes. gotta keep windows close. hey what to do if a robot climbs up through my WC? LOL
@looqmann1 Most definitely! although there are some pretty awesome pilots out there! The issue for a human would be "seeing" the quad once through the window and flying from an onboard camera through gaps at that speed would be almost impossible due to video lag.
What motors, ESC and Frame are you using. Are the cameras onboard or mounted on the walls. Is the flight controle all on board or is it driven by remote. If driven by remote what is the com setup. Thanks for posting this video.
I must first begin my inquiry by acknowledging that your videos are quite amazing and inspiring. Is your technology sufficiently advance to handle the sudden failure of one engine/rotor, including recovery and safe landing?
Anybody who thinks that software cannot mimc the processes in the brain and produce intelligent-seeming behaviour is living in la la land, like the 20th century. Seriously, we're fast approaching things that were sci-fi just years ago. People like to spin all of it and spread fear. The reality is that this is no worse than many of our other inventions that can be used for good or bad. Humans will inevitably change in response to all of it. The world never stops changing.
@gukonni I agree. A knife is a useful tool until someone turns it on another person. Anything is a weapon. There is research going into using these things to deliver medicines rapidly and things like that. The only real limitations have to be flight time and the ability to sense and avoid unexpected objects.
Great job, University of Pennsylvania. Next, you should mount lasers on them so they can blind us from unlimited distances away after they burn our houses down.
The transfer from "fast" flight to station holding overshoots like crazy... I think their controller is tuned for fast flying, and whatever parameters are there to tune it are inadequate when it needs to lose momentum.
What motor/prop,esc,batt,motor spacing? Just curius, about to start ordering parts,and I somewhat know what to get, but your quads seem to have tons of power,nice
@musicResistances They're autonomous. These are piloted by computer algorithms that dynamically figure out exactly how to fly to avoid all the obstacles.
This is like something off of Terminator Salvation (better than T3, IMO). You can just picture one of these things chasing someone through some tight, winding spaces when they thought they could easily lose it.
These are very cool and phenomenally mobile, but how durable and affordable are they? If they're too mechanically complex, then they'll be more likely to break at random or under harsh conditions, and if they cost too much to make, then we'll never be able to deploy them in large numbers. Good military technology needs to be sturdy and mass-produceable. We'll see if this qualifies or not.
@frongjumping The quadrotors are quite immaterial in this exercise. What matters is that they can only be controlled when you have a $10k/camera Vicon motion tracking system looking at them. They must be inside of a fairly limited volume (maybe 1000m^3), or the costs go crazy. Until they can reproduce this with an inertial reference (IMU), it's of academic importance only as the approach is wholly impractical.
@frongjumping Bit of a late reply but, mechanically, quads are far simpler than a traditional helicopter. If it is just the quad then there are only four moving parts... the four motors. Everything else is solid state. The wizardry is in the flight controller, the programing and some impressive physics :)
Probably the most incredible UAV video I have seen, seriously you guys should be really proud. Looks like 38 Flys didn't appreciate you steeling their tricks! ;)
Oh heck you could probably emulate a mosquito or other insect's methods of perceiving humans coupled with a bit of logic and it's a human-seeking grenade. Wouldn't want to be holding an AK with a swarm of those babies out and about.
Right. If the military just combined this with the BigDog and the computers in the self-driving cars at the DARPA grand final challenge. Then all they need to do is mount munitions on its back, and we are fucked.
We should found a public trust that drowns institutions like this one in money and keeps the guys busy with projects that have no apparent military applications and cannot directly be used against society.
@atabey321445 : try flying one manually sometime--you will see that what the copters are doing in these videos is absolutely amazing. He means aggressive as in pushing the envelope of performance, not as in warlike or violent.
how can u make them do stuff this complex, do they have cameras or are they pregrogrammed? cuz if they're pre-programmed they have no purpose in real life scenarios.
Comment while you can, people! As soon as these things learn to read we're gonna have to be awfully nice to them.
TheShortStory 6 days ago
Question: Going into Penn state Engineering, is the math and everything you talk about in your paper suppose to be known BEFORE going to Penn state? Or will that be taught there?
XDPete 1 week ago
yea, so those are called "man hacks"
kantastisk 1 week ago
You fuckers ought to be ashamed for developing this. Like all technology it will be militarized and misused.
jenovaprodigal 1 week ago
@jenovaprodigal you, good sir, are an idiot.
Reality2Void 1 week ago
@Reality2Void back that up with some facts other than just a random personal attack if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise go back to your Legos, kid.
jenovaprodigal 1 week ago
These quads can't be using GPS, compass, sonar, and baro for spacial awareness to that degree of accuracy.
I'm thinking there are quite a few emitters in that lab.
These won't be flying through your windows all on their own just yet.
Mind, there are commercially available boards that could be programmed to fly a claymore to just outside your office window all by itself, and your assassin could have been back in Kabul for a week ("Mr President").
docthebiker 2 weeks ago
@docthebiker he even said there are 20 plus cameras/sensors that make it autonomous
njm1112 1 week ago
Amazing
jbl456 2 weeks ago
just add cameras... ULTIMATE SPYBOT!
3agle123 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TheDmel
manhacks
HolyZombiJesus 2 weeks ago 3
Ahh so this is how they'll terrorize citizens of the future to prevent dissent
ckaiser1985K 2 weeks ago
solution........fly swatter
AFVMasters 2 weeks ago
So, these could dock to battery chargers and patrol some area consantly. crazy!!!
xAntiIdiot 2 weeks ago 2
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@xAntiIdiot Or better yet...two packs on board gives you redundancy and the ability to drop one pack on a charging base and pick a charged one up, so you do not have to stay docked while charging. If there is at least 3 packs on the base you could turn right back around and pick up a second fully charged pack if needed.
mick7sp 2 weeks ago
I won't won
crunchybacon25 2 weeks ago
Honestly everything you see in this video demonstrates assassination methods. Just mount a tiny gun on that thing, fly through a window, kill the bastard, and stick to the wall so nobody suspects a thing.
SK3PTIX 2 weeks ago
Hunter/killer manhacks. they've been telling us in movies for years what the policestate are going to do to us, now it's a reality.
jeff2all 2 weeks ago
yea, but will it blend?
Elefantdomi 2 weeks ago
I need these
sfcgoofy1982 2 weeks ago
manhacks!
Fusurugi 2 weeks ago
Dude...
Mavev5 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TheDmel
put some weapons of some sprt on them and boom. robot apocolypse begins
theDbanz 3 weeks ago
How fast on an average speed can this thing move at a horizontal flight pattern?
ItsMeTrustly 3 weeks ago
All they need now is a camera and a silencer for the rotors annnnnd GOOD BYE PRIVACY
ColonelMcMuffin69 3 weeks ago
@ColonelMcMuffin69 Good-bye privacy, yes. And also, good-bye secrecy. ; ) Sousveillance, look it up.
CarptheFish 2 weeks ago
shut up and take my money!
iddeenyear4 3 weeks ago
Are these mac compatible?
bttb84 3 weeks ago
Mindblowing
dronespace 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TheDmel
Increíble... la tecnología en su máxima expresión...
patatu99 3 weeks ago
When can i get one?
Dextomus 3 weeks ago
We need these but 50 FEET TALL and with DEATH LASERS AND MISSILES!!!
Raysphinx7 3 weeks ago
Shut up and take my money!
GDOGFRESHYO 3 weeks ago
What kind of fly swatter should i use on these
Imozart0341I 3 weeks ago
@Imozart0341I a crowbar.
stargater94 3 weeks ago
i want one
cracksmackandjack 3 weeks ago
I think i had my first geekgasm !
extraltodeus 3 weeks ago
X-Wings and TIE Fighters coming soon! :DDDD
Redbloodedsky 3 weeks ago
Soldier: "Take the drones down! Open fire!"
UAV's: *barrel rolls and back-flips* -- "Intel scanned; returning to base, execute formation_04"
Soldiers: "Oh, my, god..."
Commander: "What just happened?"
Soldier: "Sir, we have a problem..."
Commander: *throws mug at wall* -- "FIX IT THEN"
Nicro327 3 weeks ago 3
Flies through windows, to kill us in our homes.
phantom1000A 3 weeks ago
clever girl...
wrighjac 3 weeks ago 24
Life just got hacked.
Aveiraslover 3 weeks ago
ik this might sound bad but i want to see this as a real helicopter :P
TalonV9 3 weeks ago
HACKS! THE HACKS!
merlin546 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TheDmel
I'm waiting to see quiet versions with cameras dropped by the thousands from bombers.
nliausacmmv 3 weeks ago
Did you just the the 16 autonomous swarmbots,Skynet O_O
130hc 3 weeks ago
Battery Life?
Thats a pretty hard burn to stabilize it back each time.
lukosrage 3 weeks ago
@lukosrage One potential application could be to deliver explosives against human targets. If they were used for this purpose, battery life wouldn't be an issue.
kirbyghoul 3 weeks ago
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lukosrage 3 weeks ago
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@kirbyghoul
really?
Do you have a tinfoil hat at home?
lukosrage 3 weeks ago
@lukosrage No, and why is that a paranoid thing to suggest? These things look a great deal cheaper than the $70,000 hellfire missiles that the air force openly uses to blow up people today, and they are light enough to be carried by a soldier.
kirbyghoul 2 weeks ago
I want to see these weaponized!
MucusFelidae 3 weeks ago
I guess it is very good that you can't stop mankind to develop and progress everything to the next level and beyond. On the other hand....frightening. Brrr.
Vollhirni 3 weeks ago in playlist Weitere Videos von TheDmel
That would be an amazing type of helicopter. I would love to fly in a such.
PantheraAlbus 3 weeks ago
yes, but can it un-perch itself from the velcro??
ghallorandom 3 weeks ago
The description says that they are "autonomous," meaning that they function independently of a user and from each other.
trogdorfiend 3 weeks ago
put some razors on it and you got manhacc
isobodari1 3 weeks ago
Interesante
Braveheart026 3 weeks ago
are they remote controlled or are they programmed?
D34THM45T3R 3 weeks ago
dear santa...
dancingpainter1295 3 weeks ago
how much are these affected by wind currents?
JT9531 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TheDmel 2
We're fucked...
darkwolf524 3 weeks ago 60
@darkwolf524 hahahahaha
de4ler 3 weeks ago
Military industrial complex will love this. You guys have a future working for Darpa.
crcaccounts 3 weeks ago
@crcaccounts ITs the other way around bro, this only means that the military will have some absoultley filthy gagets. Probably got these things mounted with missles an shit
towel213 3 weeks ago
this is what i want for christmas, where can i get one?
davededude 3 weeks ago
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKS!!
ThEP1r4tE 1 month ago
So if you could combine some sort of induction charger with the perching you have a completely autonomous system that is ready to rock at a moment's notice and will take itself back to recharge when done. Multiple recharge points around your facility would give flexibility for applications like security. Motion sensors could pick up points of interest then automatically send the quad to investigate. Would certainly scare the life out of an intruder if that thing popped up in front of them! :)
HexCam 1 month ago
what motors & props are used on this ?
JDALSystems 1 month ago
more bullshit from your fucked up government wasting money
mgey383 1 month ago
@mgey383 If you don't live in this country then why do you care?
SlayerExopsGamers 2 weeks ago
autonomous??? sounds like a scarry word
blkwizzard50 1 month ago
Yup Skynet and Terminator videos seems have shown us truth. all these aggressive machines when go autonomous won't feel safe among human and we will witness the real Terminator era. I am getting ready for it hehehe. Awesome technology though. we are not going to be safe soon in our homes. gotta keep windows close. hey what to do if a robot climbs up through my WC? LOL
alishanmao 1 month ago
@alishanmao who's afraid of skynet? humans r the scourge of other humans
toolbaggers 1 month ago
So now Skynet is already becoming aggressive. Those babies clearly yearn for the photon torpedoes then, already.
ssyreeni 1 month ago
yes but will it blend
MrDontpissmeoff777 1 month ago
39 fear the war against the machines.
tecnocato 1 month ago
Nice
3593893 2 months ago
Can we buy one???
TheLaurencesachs 2 months ago
@TheLaurencesachs yes you can the bitch is the programming
Guinnie 1 month ago
BETTER THAN A HUMAN PILOT
looqmann1 2 months ago
@looqmann1 Most definitely! although there are some pretty awesome pilots out there! The issue for a human would be "seeing" the quad once through the window and flying from an onboard camera through gaps at that speed would be almost impossible due to video lag.
HexCam 1 month ago
@HexCam no need to see the quad once in the window if its primary purpose was to explode
toolbaggers 1 month ago
@HexCam "The issue for a human...".... . that's why humans are expendable :)
ez2curanut 3 weeks ago 2
39 peoples are technophobes
looqmann1 2 months ago
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GoldenNimbus 2 months ago
I need you for my helicopter pilot on BF3.
DrZiggyzoo1 2 months ago
How much would it cost me?
Norvell07 2 months ago in playlist 4 rotor RC
another reason why UPenn is awesome
GoQuakers69 2 months ago
Yikes - that is stunning
Buzatesri 2 months ago
I hear the military calling
jlopez9090 2 months ago
we are so fucked
robthebuilder321 2 months ago
Really amazing. Please make open source!
mikionos 2 months ago
What motors, ESC and Frame are you using. Are the cameras onboard or mounted on the walls. Is the flight controle all on board or is it driven by remote. If driven by remote what is the com setup. Thanks for posting this video.
ccdanieldb 2 months ago
amazing maneuvering. Imagine that on a big scale.
Fahadsc81 3 months ago
Very impressive.
clanrat 3 months ago
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That is so cool. I'm building a quadrotor (though my sights are set a little lower than this)... thanks for the inspiration!
enigmaj316 3 months ago
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enigmaj316 3 months ago
Where can i buy one?
TheCompGame 3 months ago
Holy shit; Am I the only imagining that thing flying through my bedroom window with a machine gun attached?!!
mmaaaxxo 3 months ago
Now all we need is implanted control rigs for everyone who want them.
1stCainite 3 months ago
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I must first begin my inquiry by acknowledging that your videos are quite amazing and inspiring. Is your technology sufficiently advance to handle the sudden failure of one engine/rotor, including recovery and safe landing?
landen99 3 months ago
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landen99 3 months ago
Any manned projects and products available to the public?
landen99 3 months ago in playlist Quadrocopter Hexacopter Octocopter Mikrokopter Drones
Anybody who thinks that software cannot mimc the processes in the brain and produce intelligent-seeming behaviour is living in la la land, like the 20th century. Seriously, we're fast approaching things that were sci-fi just years ago. People like to spin all of it and spread fear. The reality is that this is no worse than many of our other inventions that can be used for good or bad. Humans will inevitably change in response to all of it. The world never stops changing.
gukonni 3 months ago
@gukonni I agree. A knife is a useful tool until someone turns it on another person. Anything is a weapon. There is research going into using these things to deliver medicines rapidly and things like that. The only real limitations have to be flight time and the ability to sense and avoid unexpected objects.
HexCam 1 month ago
@HexCam defending against, and killing man, is the most important tool in survival..we speak english sadly, because of the knife
toolbaggers 1 month ago
Why is the room surrounded by read lights?
B0M0A0K 4 months ago
@B0M0A0K Perhaps it uses infrared light to navigate, or something.
1stCainite 3 months ago
Great job, University of Pennsylvania. Next, you should mount lasers on them so they can blind us from unlimited distances away after they burn our houses down.
kirbyghoul 4 months ago
Fuckin' manhacks, man.
potestasofpopuli 4 months ago 29
That very cool what applications is this program/quad copter used for
4675797 4 months ago
I do not! want to see these weaponized.. :(
trisky1234 4 months ago 19
@trisky1234 oh but you will. sadly, and surely.
Matttix 4 months ago
@trisky1234 then u must blind urself, as weaponization of something like this is a natural progression
toolbaggers 1 month ago
The transfer from "fast" flight to station holding overshoots like crazy... I think their controller is tuned for fast flying, and whatever parameters are there to tune it are inadequate when it needs to lose momentum.
kubarebo 4 months ago
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It's like you don't even care about gravity.
toastgodsupreme 4 months ago
What motor/prop,esc,batt,motor spacing? Just curius, about to start ordering parts,and I somewhat know what to get, but your quads seem to have tons of power,nice
tracym427 5 months ago
dude , the guy who is driving this thing must have some crazy skills :0
musicResistances 5 months ago
@musicResistances They're autonomous. These are piloted by computer algorithms that dynamically figure out exactly how to fly to avoid all the obstacles.
TakaOkami 5 months ago
@musicResistances
dude, they're piloted by a computer program, which is WAY crazier (harder to achieve)
BobTheElder 5 months ago
Holy Cow! This Guys Rocks!
lpcavedagne 5 months ago
Half-Life 2 manhacks!
DragosLt 5 months ago
@stealthknifekiller I would have thought you'd want to encourage immigration in Australia, seeing as most of it's a desert.
valdrec 5 months ago
I guess the net prevents it from getting out and killing John Connor.
exnol 5 months ago 4
May i have a general idea of how this amazing machine works?
toadknight 5 months ago
Jeez, not very often you see like four trolls fighting at once. Why can't we just comment on the video?...
JugglingUnicycler 5 months ago
how does a quadrotor work?
formulaformula1133 5 months ago
Holy shit! Future choppers??
mocool50 6 months ago
that's bad fkin ass,, but if one flew thru my window ,, i'd grab a shotgun and shoot that biaatch
basslightning1 6 months ago
I love this quad rotor
380zeaiclies 6 months ago
but will it blend
rmulr842 6 months ago
@rmulr842 With those rotors, it's the quad that does the blending :)
HexCam 1 month ago
This is like something off of Terminator Salvation (better than T3, IMO). You can just picture one of these things chasing someone through some tight, winding spaces when they thought they could easily lose it.
hectiky 6 months ago
These are very cool and phenomenally mobile, but how durable and affordable are they? If they're too mechanically complex, then they'll be more likely to break at random or under harsh conditions, and if they cost too much to make, then we'll never be able to deploy them in large numbers. Good military technology needs to be sturdy and mass-produceable. We'll see if this qualifies or not.
frongjumping 6 months ago
@frongjumping The quadrotors are quite immaterial in this exercise. What matters is that they can only be controlled when you have a $10k/camera Vicon motion tracking system looking at them. They must be inside of a fairly limited volume (maybe 1000m^3), or the costs go crazy. Until they can reproduce this with an inertial reference (IMU), it's of academic importance only as the approach is wholly impractical.
kubarebo 4 months ago
@kubarebo Makes sense. No matter how impressive a technology is, cost will always have the final say in determining its practical value.
frongjumping 4 months ago
@frongjumping Bit of a late reply but, mechanically, quads are far simpler than a traditional helicopter. If it is just the quad then there are only four moving parts... the four motors. Everything else is solid state. The wizardry is in the flight controller, the programing and some impressive physics :)
HexCam 1 month ago
How long until someone builds this using lego?
asbojesus 6 months ago
I for one welcome our future autonomous overlords!
acooper93 6 months ago 31
and we thought Skynet could only happen in the movies
ductraep 7 months ago
respawn likes this.
NaBeHobby 7 months ago
Probably the most incredible UAV video I have seen, seriously you guys should be really proud. Looks like 38 Flys didn't appreciate you steeling their tricks! ;)
1BustedMyth 7 months ago
Boner
flyinhigher1000 7 months ago
Oh heck you could probably emulate a mosquito or other insect's methods of perceiving humans coupled with a bit of logic and it's a human-seeking grenade. Wouldn't want to be holding an AK with a swarm of those babies out and about.
It's terrifying, like that movie "birds"
multiHappyHacker 7 months ago
I want to see when they can put these out into an uncontrolled environment.
God4577 7 months ago
Terminator salvation that's what
Poopdogg24 7 months ago
I wonder what would happen if the military made real life verstions of this and put it into the forces?
DigDogStudios 7 months ago
i fucking want one u have 3 let me have one
edisonzepeda 7 months ago
That rocks and Millitary and Civilian applications are numerous.
380zeaiclies 7 months ago
Right. If the military just combined this with the BigDog and the computers in the self-driving cars at the DARPA grand final challenge. Then all they need to do is mount munitions on its back, and we are fucked.
TheNeuroticBassPlay 7 months ago
sexy
bojangolemba 7 months ago
this is incredible. thanks for showing me this stumbleupon!
chazizphat 7 months ago
Awesome! I did my undergrad at UPenn and almost worked in this lab (the GRASP lab). Brilliant minds for sure, keep up the good work.
pi3k 7 months ago
In the near future these little drones will ask you to get out of your vehicle and put your arms on the hood.. haha
orika001 7 months ago
what is that creepy noise at 0:42 ?
ib1384 7 months ago
where the fu.ck can i buy one of these!?
zpsoccerman55 7 months ago
As a software engineer, this really is cool to watch and know how hard this is. Very nicely done!!
PeteMadeAMovie 8 months ago 16
You're not kidding there. This is HARD stuff to do. Now to get the battery life up, and the cargo, and give them a mission!
kellycoinguy 7 months ago
FAKE!
FlamingManofIron 8 months ago
We should found a public trust that drowns institutions like this one in money and keeps the guys busy with projects that have no apparent military applications and cannot directly be used against society.
hboy007 8 months ago
cool, but not cool for the future of what they'll use them for..
RasAhmose 8 months ago
Crazy control, prop's to the guy on the sticks!
d240786 8 months ago
@d240786 The point is that no one is on the sticks...it's autonomous...
wissam24 7 months ago
@wissam24 Ok props to the program designer or who ever the fuck made the fucking thing fly through the little fucking hole, are you happy now?
d240786 7 months ago
@d240786 Humans are usually too slow to fly those like that :)
kubarebo 4 months ago
why it's aggresive?
atabey321445 8 months ago
@atabey321445 : try flying one manually sometime--you will see that what the copters are doing in these videos is absolutely amazing. He means aggressive as in pushing the envelope of performance, not as in warlike or violent.
FlyMRIMicroscopy 8 months ago
....I want one...
VideoVisionary77 8 months ago
make a life size one pussies
toenails129 8 months ago
Holy crap!
MANHACKS!
Urmagicalchicken 8 months ago 3
I'm gonna get one of these :D
StandingRedPanda 8 months ago
vay be yapıyo elin gavuru :D
NAYUKITRA 9 months ago
how can u make them do stuff this complex, do they have cameras or are they pregrogrammed? cuz if they're pre-programmed they have no purpose in real life scenarios.
david1991rules4life 9 months ago