Dawkins intentions are pure, athiesm is the ideal he believes in
But I can never take guys like Harris and Hitchens seriously. They are there to co-opt the athiest/leftist movement into getting on board with the war politics of the right.
The christian right has already been moulded into a brainless pro-imperialist pro-zionist pro-war machine.
Guys like Harris/Hitchens are there to preach to the choir about athiesm and then slip in some crafty Pro-War/Zionist agendas.
Embrace this life for it's own sake. Elaborate themes and dogmas do not enhance but rather hinder peace, cooperation, learning and advancement of our species. Theisms are the training wheels of life and culture. We're so much better without them. Let go. It's easy to forget that believing in gods is never our own idea. We inherit beliefs such as these from family and culture.
@thejack1452. Violence and subjugation are limiting in any context so I reject them categorically. As I said before, as long as we have religion we will have enmity, because someone will always be wrong by someone else's god. We have to step outside of it all if we are to have peace.
@gnomefro. I thought that was really well argued. @thejack1452. I think the whole issue for you is context. You see the world in the context of Islam, and Interpret it in a way favorable to itself. I see Islam in context of religion, religion in context of humanity, and humanity in context of the world. It's plain to me which view is limiting and which is empowering. When you flip the context and stand outside of Islam, you can see how the claims and details are irrelevant.
Also, where are the Latin American, South American, and South-East Asian countries or individual groups from those countries threatening the U.S in the same way Muslims are? They have been just as exploited in the past by America than any Middle Eastern country out there. Again, it all comes down to what people believe. This is the best argument for people who say they hate us because of what we did to them in the past. Latin and South America should be doing the same to the U.S as Muslims.
Harris makes an excellent point about how Muslim grievances derive from theological disputes. Why did Bin Laden want U.S troops out of Saudi Arabia? Not because he saw them as greedy capitalist opportunists, but because they were not Muslim and were residing in a holy place. The U.S had bases in other mid east countries why didn’t he mention them and only Saudi Arabia? We as Westerners can't keep doing this and thinking we are the problem when the problem are their worldview.
@44warjunkie why is it that others arent too botherd by the troops's presence ? why isnt there a mass demonstration against it ? have u asked yourself that once u do you'll get every muslim's point we are not represented by one nutjob we are as diverse as it can get
Jack, do you understand that your post has nothing whatever to do with mine? Why debate interpretations of ancient, made up nonsense? Come join us in the twenty-first century. Let's forget all that religious nonsense and past conflicts and have peace and cooperation instead. Give up "being right." There are no gods. Let's focus instead on improving the human condition and all that entails.
@beautyinbreakdowns2 thats your view not mine and what do mean nothing you quote a verse out of context i simply put the context for all the lazy bobs out there and im pretty sure Stalin tried that ended up killing 40 million or so as i see it my islam pushes me to improve the human condition my islam makes everything i face in life meaningful cuz living just for the sake of living is a concept that my mind cannot accept but we areall entitled to our opinion and respect yours and you for not ---
@beautyinbreakdowns2 being brat like the rest of the hate mongers but i do wish u had researched the context for these verse out academic integrity if nothing else.
P.S i know u see it as nonsense but should u want to know more for the sake of knowledge do send me a message as i unlike most people actually study islam and working on my thesis right now and any questions are welcomed
@acr08807, Will jihadis care about what kind of infidel I am? It seems unlikely. I don't advocate war. I know there are many Muslim sects. The particulars don't concern me because I reject all faith based religion and theism because they are based on authority rather than observation and reason. As long as we have universalizing religion, we will have enmity because someone will always be wrong by someone else's god. Theism prevents peace and cooperation on the grandest scale.
I studied islam, and my professors mentioned that jihad should be seen as a spiritual battle within the person practising islam. Still, if even muslims themselves don't seem to adhere to this definition, what is the use of trying to redefine the concept? (other than being apologetic about it)
The old fellow wants to have a dialogue with Islamic extremists, and calls those who question his moral posing as "crackpots" for comparing him to Neville Chamberlain. I think the comparison is insulting to Chamberlain. He represents what is wrong with Britain's cultural and intellectual ruling classes. As a group they could be characterized as a miserable menagerie of politically correct invertebrates, so morally gelatinous you could spread them on your toast.
The cause of this alleged; "Islamic humiliation", is Islam. Islam makes no pretense of peaceful co-existence with any other ideology. Islam is incompatible with progress and civilization. Islam is the enemy of humanity itself.
The easiest way to defeat the conservative ignorant muslims in non-violent disobedience... the Quran, it must be reminded them, is their idol scripture... and since it says that they are not allowed to kill us, then dare they enslave us, we will disobey. Then, being as they should focus on God, they should stop doing science or progress and just pray to (a non-existent)God ALWAYS, they will then have no time to Listen to Satan and hurt us. Islam myths are false, it must be reminded them kindly.
@torontoBluejays87 I pity you my friend for not even understanding the true content of Islam by not reading it and then presenting a self made thought without proper analysis. Those people who are truly evil are trying to diminish Islam by making up unreal statements like these that you see on television and newspapers. Believe in yourself to know the truth my friend, look inside your heart.
@Honeyandmilk100 There are 100's of millions of people all around the world who want Sharia law enforced across the planet. That would mean for people like myself (who thinks of organized religion as the fart of human intellect) certain death. And you want me to be a sympathizer to your religion? By the way...100's of millions of people is a conservative estimate in my mind. Medieval superstition + modern weaponry = A bad day for the human species.
@torontoBluejays87 First of all forcing people to do anything against their will even forcing them to convert to any religion id forbidden in Islam as stated in the Holy Quran itself. And second if those people who say they are Muslims and follow this practice of forcing other people to do anything, they are specifically hypocrites.
@Honeyandmilk100 The "prophet" Muhammad (fictional or not) was a warlord. A man who forced his ideology on others and dismembered those who would not convert. It is very clear in your book that those who are not believers in the muslim faith have to be either killed or forced into slavery. There are millions upon millions of people in the present day who long for that sort of global submission. Why do people get their heads cut off for the crime of peacefully leaving the faith?
@torontoBluejays87 Like I said, if you haven't read either the Holy Quran or even the Sahih Hadiths, you know nothing but conjecture. He was the most noble person ever and showed mercy to even those who tried to kill him. He punished those who spread mischief, practised murder and killing on innocent people helped reform even crminals and as I told you forcing someone to do anything is forbidden in Islam and he of all people never forced anyone to convert. It's written clearly in the Hadith.
@torontoBluejays87 The verse you are looking for is Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362 where it explains what happened to the people who fought Muhammad in the Battle of Badr. Some of them were exiled, only those people were sentenced to death who continue to spread harm and some were granted mercy and converted to Islam from their own will and they were also granted a fair share of wealth. Just read it my friend and you will know the Truth.
@Honeyandmilk100 You still didn't answer my question. Why is it, in Islamic States like Saudi Arabia, the case where public beheadings are still held daily for those who choose to leave the Muslim faith? For the simple crime of changing one's mind on something, you are executed. It is quite clear in the Koran that Allah despises people who choose not to be muslim, and demands terror and death in this life and beyond for that crime. This is the ideology that threatens the human species.
@torontoBluejays87 Another thing about those who reject Islam is Surah 18:29 And say, It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him, who will, disbelieve for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames). It is for those as I said who spread mischief and violence like the Jews did against Prophet Moses and were sentenced to death. Remember this my friend, just because you have freewill doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it.
What if Islamists discovered that God actually was gay and Satan was his buttlover and swapped Santorum (google it) and loved Satan very much, and like many gay couples had a spat of epic proportions. Think about that Godsmack.
Muslims feel humiliated for the simple reason that since kids they are brought up to believe that their religion is the perfect and best, they are God's Chosen and their culture is the greatest. When they grow up and find that this is not the case, they take out their wrath on the others on the planet.
@harishkumar09 And that's why Islamism is so popular in the Middle East. Muslims can't accept a Secular state, because as soon as they feel (even just the slightest) that they might very well be wrong - and that they don't have domination over non-Muslims - they become extremely violent. As soon as they think that possibly they've spent most of their lives worshipping a paedophile and living as if it was the 9 Century - they just can't think of what a waster their lives have been.
Rationalism or Science cannot put an end to the atrocities of Islam, for the simple reason, Reason or Humanism cannot inspire people to fight Islam or for that matter any evil, such as Nazism. Only Faith, another religion can inspire people to put an end to the tyranny of Islam. Rationalists can only say Islam and Christianity and Hinduism are all bad, but only a Hindu or a Christian or Jew can put an end to Islam and create the conducive atmosphere or Rationalists to debunk Christianity or Hind
@dummychaos Internal lectures at university are only advertised to staff, or more often, the staff of just 1 or 2 departments... and attending means taking time away from their jobs, so such lectures won't fill the hall.
The reason muslims feel so humiliated is that they are all raised to believe as muslims they are SUPERIOR to everyone else and should be on top of all the kuffars not the other way around. Muslims have no problems humiliating and subjugating non muslim societies.
Very true! If Islam were the “religion of peace” then it should follow that the more fanatically Islamic one became, the more fanatically peaceful. Yet this is not the case. Just the opposite! The more fanatically Islamic one becomes, the more violent and xenophobic. So by that comparison, Islam should be called the “religion of violence and xenophobia”.
According to prominent Jewish rabbis in Israel and the U.S., Talmudic Orthodox Judaism condones blowing a elderly man out of a wheelchair with explosives launched from helicopter warship missiles (as in the case of Israel's assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin on 3-22-04).
In which forum shall we look to find you wringing your hands over this particularly repulsive spectacle of Jewish extremism, Sam??? Ye hypocrites!
Hey Dr. Harris, when are you going to provide us with a sneering polemic against Judaism, as you have done in the case of both Christianity and Islam since, as we all know, you think that all religion is bullshit?
Oh, I forgot, Jewish fanaticism gets a free pass, being that you're a nice Jewish boy who wouldn't dream of saying anything that might call into question the prevailing myth of the Holy Chosen Pimples and the need for us all to support their blood-soaked apartheid state for Jew ONLY!
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
@wondergundy Why wonder? He apparently wasn't very important,except when westerners try to portray the man with no face. Then all hell breaks loose. How dare westerners draw he whose face is invisible.!!
Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights.
@pixelslayer247 I think of the religion as secondary to a global state. Muhammad may have seen the possibilities that come with a unified world, the ultimate empire. What else would be the point of a join or die doctrine? A unified world achieved through force seems more likely than one achieved through cooperation. Thats the only way Islam makes sense. Muhammad wanted world domination for his people.
@pixelslayer247 Yes, that's probably right. They can't see their religion in context of all religions nor history nor anything else. They have it flipped. They see everything in the context of their religion, so the world is full of infidels. Bloody brainwashing has left them immune to reason, logic and compassion. Muhammad just wanted to be a warlord.
Why Jihad means struggle or strive stop using words you don't know in the wrong way. This dude sounds racist. "we are going to keep having babies and eventually its going to be Arabia." BTW at our mosque alone this month almost 100+ converts and some of them were atheist. This guy doesn't have knowledge on Islam that's why he is saying negative things.
@BatmanbinSuperman12 On the contrary, I would bet he would have far more knowledge of Islam than most Muslims and would certainly have more knowledge of Islamic history. If you had read any of his books you would realise that, but being Muslim you would have only read one book.
@BatmanbinSuperman12 No, but there are some interesting numbers regarding literacy in Islamic theocracies that correlate to low interest in being a broadly literate culture. Numbers of texts translated into Arabic, numbers of technical, political or cultural works that are focused on religion and so on. It's not hard and fast proof, but it seems to indicate a stifling intellectual atmosphere.
just conspiracy fact. Libya tries to set up a gold backed currency for Africa and Hugo Chaves gives micro loans to his SA neighbours to bypass the IMF who would impose strict state sale of assets (conveniently to big international business). There is an awful amount of oil under the ground of so called 'rogue states'.
we can convert, be a slave or die as far as Muslims are concerned. They cannot be negotiated with since its the word of god (to them). They showed they're not playing, so we can't play either. What is ironic here in the context of atheism is that perhaps the only thing that can rally westerners in sufficient numbers is christianity. It's unlikely that modern liberalism could ever be sufficient to rally the masses in sufficient numbers. They are coming. I'm no Christian but we might need that n
@beautyinbreakdowns2 I think I want to make the distinction that we have in common with christians what we have in common with all the other non-islamic denominations, that's that we are not muslim, and are all in equal danger from a worldwide islamic state. We have a common interest with all non muslims on the planet, that's more people than the muslim bastards have and we'll need every one, we can't alienate anyone when it comes to the greatest evil Earth has known, islam.
@beautyinbreakdowns2 You really have no idea about differences in beliefs among Muslims, do you? Seriously, before you start fighting a religious war, you might want to get a more sophisticated view of the problem.
@ksym@soundgarden8497@macmarine I have to agree and I think it's important to say that I detest racists and bigots of all kinds. But this isn't racism or bigotry on our part. The verse of the sword is very clear. They can lie, cheat, trick and to anything at all against the infidels. What Sam Harris said was exactly right; we can convert, be a slave or die as far as Muslims are concerned. They cannot be negotiated with since its the word of god. They showed they're not playing, so we can't pl
@beautyinbreakdowns2 Verse of sword clear.... What is clear? Kill All Infidels?? What is lie cheat trick... I won't lie, cheat, Trick. You are upset with Quran It's clear. \
I'll tell you how to take conclusion from Quran. Gather all verses and narrations of Prophet and define the rule without neutralizing any verse or narration. Then you will find this some verses like this "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes >>>2
@beautyinbreakdowns2 >>>>>Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. Al Quran 60:8
Muslim is not allowed to kill any Infidel without he being qualify to be killed in any case like murder or attempt or plot to murder. I challenge to provide a single incident from the period of prophet or his companions.
@beautyinbreakdowns2 first the fact that you use "they" discredits you because there is over 1.5 billion muslims out there of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds so if we were out to get u we would've already done so moreover the Quranic Scholars (Muhammad Asad and Maulana Muhammad Ali) explain that the permission to fight and kill is being given regarding specific tribes already at war with the Muslims who have breached their peace agreements and have attacked the Muslims first
In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. This verse is quoted during a battle, and hence the Qur'an says, "Kill the Mushriks wherever you find them", during a battle
@TheJack1452 "first the fact that you use "they" discredits you because there is over 1.5 billion muslims out there of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds so if we were out to get u we would've already done so "
Roflmao! Welcome to reality. The vast majority of these 1.5 billion people are illiterate people in third world countries with very little ability to inflict damage on anyone. Second, there are 5.5 billion non-muslims in the world. That's why Islam was stopped.
@Gnomefro u use an argument reflecting your own blindness to islam and the world islam wasnt 'stopped' and will never be its the world fastest growing religion with half of this coming from converts from developed countries so i guess not so illiterate first u offer no proof second u ignore the first ayat of islam 'read in the name of your lord' which is a call to studing and reflecting something repeated extensively throughout the quran and that every muslim must read the quran in arabic -----
meaning again u claim out of utter ignorance u're probably some douch that cant get of the couch and into the real world and meet real muslims and live in muslim majority countries and know the real and honest truth
@TheJack1452 What you don't seem to get is that you can quote "Islamic Scholars" all day long, and the fact will remain that Mohammed and the early muslims waged Imperialistic warfare on a massive scale with the express justification that they, the muslims, had a right to rule everyone else and that it was divinely ordained that Islam should rule the world. Moreover, like Sura al Anfal states, plundering and taking of slaves are merely "Gifts from Allah".
@Gnomefro if i cant quote the earliest scholars that everyday muslim take as guides to a better understanding of islam than whats the point of discussing anything ? and where do u get your proof and anfal means bounties not slaves they are 'named what your right hand possess ' again sheer incompetence in even researching before typing abdurrahman(dot)org(slash)qurantafseer(slash)tafsir(slash)ibnkathir(slash)TIK-Surah-008 there an entire science called tafssir that is interpretation that ------
@TheJack1452 that u and ironically terrorists seem to forget and simply plaster what ever violent meaning u wish for and did u punishment for terrorism is already there it falls under 'hiraba' so why dont u google it like a good boy and understand a little before being arrogantly attached to a dumb racist view
@TheJack1452 To suggest that the early muslims expanded from Medina to encompass all of the middle east, north Africa, India and parts of Europe via defensive warfare is to be in wild denial of core realities of history. This push towards world domination was, thankfully, crushed by the Mongols and subsequently by the Europeans. That these people were willing to fight for their freedom is the only reason Islam does not dominate today.
@TheJack1452 Now, the Jihadists, they actually understand the doctrine that unleashed the muslim plague upon all these innocent people and wish to continue that project. They have an honest relationship both with the Qur'an and the Hadith and don't have to excuse any of it. You and your scholars do not. Because of this, it seems most productive for all non-muslims to dismiss you guys as not representing any honest interpretation of Islam.
@TheJack1452 I don't know what your reason for arguing the way you do is. Whether you are honestly deluded and ignorant of Islamic history and doctrine, simply want your childhood indoctrination to represent something "good" in the face of vast evidence to the contrary, or are lying on purpose, and frankly it doesn't really matter. The main point is that your credibility is zero, while that of the Jihadists is significant.
@Gnomefro what evidence all i keep hearing is : claims....claims....claims then some more with big words in between and dont start making baseless assumptions and like a great muslim companion of the prophet once said 'never have i debated an ignorant and won' i can give u any sufficient proof to convince a logical person but it wouldnt matter cuz you're a bigot but if im wrong here quranandwar google it and be enlightened and FYI minor jihad is war and major jihad is with ones self
@TheJack1452 IMO, you should disassociate you from the labels "muslim" and "Islam" if you do not want to be associated with their activities and reasonable interpretations of the Qur'an.
Much like someone claiming he's a Nazi, because he regards Hitler's industrial policy as brilliant, should disassociate himself from that label if he in fact does not hate Jews or subscribe to other problematic aspects of Nazi ideology.
@TheJack1452 The fact is that Islam is rightly regarded as a superstitious imperialistic doctrine by non-muslims and it would be wrong to solve your problems of emotional attachment to nonsense by redefining Islam as something compatible with civilization merely to fix issues with your ego. Just as it would be wrong to go "There are good Nazis and Bad Nazis". No - the problem is inherent to the the ideology and the superstition.
Sam Harris needs to realize that he will never get the credibility and the respect until he start speaking the truth like Dr. Norman Finkelstein. Sam Harris never said a word about Israel crimes against the Palestinians. Now this is something to think about. he is a lire, Muslims don’t hate the Good Jews but they hate Israel who occupied Palestine and driven 7 Millions Palestinians out of their homes and killed over one and a half million, now this is the truth.
SILENCE IS AGREEANCE. There is nothing other than the islamic religious doctrine-nothing-that caused those terrorist acts. Learn the fucking doctrine idiot before making excuses.Talking to muslims is useless.El Taqqiyya-the islamic concept of being allowed to LIE-what do you think they will tell you fuckwit?Islam is the problem ENTIRELY.Wake up moron.
@Pitttdog Learn the language please. Taqiya comes from WQF, meaning piety and translates qua Taqiya directly as 'caution'. If anything, Taqiya means pious caution, or caution in a way in which piety is promoted. Piety is not humility but the ability to maintain one's dignity and humanity in the face of difficulty. :-)
@lajunmbre reference 3.28 then look up the tafsir aljalalayn. The concept & meaning is to lie to 'guard or protect' islam. when the official islamic tafsir from ib abbas says"guard urselves against them..by speaking in a friendly way towards them with,while your hearts dislikes this'.Dehlawis definition is"To save life, honour. Or property(either one’s own or of other believers)by hiding one’s belief or religion"These ARE UR islamic scholars definitions.I speak arabic-do u?Learn the language pls
@Pitttdog You speak? Wonderful! then you have differentiated between the Fusha and what you speak right? Saying that, you know that 1. tafseers differentiate 2. tafseer is never definitive 3. that WQF means caution and not guard or protect. You KNOW that. So why do you conceal what it means? You know what the word is for Conceal? KFR. A cloud is KFR is classical Arabic poetry. A farmer is a KFR. And your words are KFR. Do not conceal but rather reveal the way to truth plz
@lajunombre Using a little taqiyya urself r u?.Lets not split hairs or talk rubbish here or divert from the subject.FACT-Your own islamic sources who OFFICIALLY interpret the verses(like it or not you must adhere)I have quoted you source & reference.ALL OFFICAL.ALL ISLAMIC.Im not here to convince U.U r muslim & likely a liar.Its for the others on the page to check my references which are SAUDI SANCTIONED OFFICIAL ISLAMIC definitions.I dont care what you say.Makes no difference.kohl khara ya ayr
@Pitttdog There is no official centralized Islamic institution, such as in the Catholic tradition. Also, I am not splitting hairs. Instead, you are making a gross oversimplification of Taqiyaa. Moreover, you are doing so in a way in which Islam become anathema to morality. In itself, that exhibits a very weak understanding of Islam. Finally, your reference to Saudi institutions are speaking on behalf of the Muslim world is incorrect, since most Muslims are Sunni not Salafi
@nayanmalig Bizarre, because in Islam KFR or Concealment is a grave misdeed. Hmm. Weird. Perhaps you should study the Quran more. If you have, bring your evidence. Translation is important as is the word-family (Arabic is big on word-family much like English is big on etymology)
@lajungesombre study. that's all you people have to say in defense.i seen the things that mullahs say on YouTube after studying. how to beat women etc. studying BS makes you mentally sick. that goes for other violent religions too. one & all.
@nayanmalig I agree with you, in that it is sick. But you generalize that sickness on everyone. Imagine if a Palestinian said that all Americans are as sick as George W Bush. You shouldnt characterize religion based on a person or even a single institution. Rather, take issue with the institution, person, law, &c
@lajungesombre I characterize violent religions by their own writings which are sicker than small pox. when people are exposed to the teachings they catch the genocidal bug. people are just violently sick patients. I do not blame them. I blame the source of sickness. The bug/ the religions. the end.
@nayanmalig Maybe. But I put the onus on you to compare and contrast Mein Kampf to the Quran. Write a serious paper showing that the Quran is as genocidal as Mein Kampf, submit it to an academic journal. I can guess that they will laugh you out of the academic community, simply because your view of the Quran is quite small-minded. Even scholars like Sam Harris has been utterly criticized by Islamic scholars. I suggest you read a little, since ignorance is the genuine bug that infects the mind
"Even scholars like Sam Harris has been utterly criticized by Islamic scholars. "
of course islamic scholars will utterly criticize ANYONE who criticizes islam.....religious text tend to be filled with hatred for people of other races/religions. that is the nature of the writers.
@sabin97 "of course islamic scholars will utterly criticize ANYONE who criticizes islam". Ok so I take it you've read Bill Aban Whitehouse's response to the End of Faith? You have....right?
christian scholars will also utterly criticize ANYONE who criticizes christianity, it's not just islam. abrahamic religions are pretty much the same....
@sabin97 You should. He comments to the book the End of Faith. My suggestion is to read philosophy and ponder. I think your view will expand. Try Heidegger's Being and Time.
And christian scholars do not criticize anyone who criticizes christianity. That is a gross oversimplification and distorted generalization
@sabin97 I too am so damn opposed to many of these religious institutions. To me, they are a genuine affront to religiosity. So many self-proclaimed religious institutions often conceal the truth, meaning they preform KUFR, so they act like KAFIR. lol ironic eh? the ultimate goal of religion is truth, and any self-proclaimed religious person must abide by that, otherwise they are simply lying. Often, these institutions and lied, killed, raped, pillaged their way to the top.
some use the blasphemous book of jew lies(a.k.a. the "holy" bible) others use the book of arab lies("holy" quran)
it's really a shame that people need to be guilted and threatened into behaving. cant people act like decent human beings just for the sake of being decent human beings? there's always the guilt of the "sacrifice" of jesus, and the threat of hell.....
@nayanmalig You are right, the onus is one me since I say they are not following it. Well, firstly, the Quran is an open-ended not closed-text. It is not a 'complete' text in the sense of an Encyclopaedia. Rather it is a 'complete' text in that it points to the world as the source of wisdom. When someone in 2011 living in say Madrid looks to the world, I don't think they will see 'beating their wife' as wife. So the mullah is not wise. But Madrid is not Afghanistan.....
@lajungesombre not following it well are they? i heard that complain million times from all theists. everybody is wrong except for himself. koran open ended? then can we edit it like software or wikipedia? what about the cutting off of hands? that open ended too? when you try to deceive somebody do it in a non laughable way.
@nayanmalig I don't think you've studied the Quran for any good amount of time. If you have, please put forward your ideas. But banal observations and trite interpretations will do you no good. I think you need to separate the phenomena of religion from the institutions, much as you separate the phenomena of politics from the institutions. There is something political, just as there is something religious, to the human experience.
@lajungesombre you study other religions & find out how they are applied. their people have a better standard of living. I don't need to study the koran as much as you don't need to study the bible or Tripitaka. your answer is asking others to study a clearly failed religion. are the mullahs wrong when they instruct how to beat wives? do you condemn it? are you sacred to condemn it? you are trying to cover one lie with another but it's an epic fail. can the koran be edited? yes or no?
@nayanmalig I just told a customer what you told me, about editing the Quran. She was an old white lady. She said you don't sound very educated. I agree. You really want to edit the Quran? Sorry, but the Quran is an ooooold text, a fantastic work of literature, written by one of the most influential people in history. How about this: YOU edit the Quran and see how many people enjoy it. :-)
@lajungesombre your lying has taken a new dimension. it's you who said koran is open ended can be edited unless you have deleted that post. your stuck in a stubborn self deceptive web of lies & deceit. bible is older than koran. age doesn't make things true or false. Oliver Twist is also a fantastic piece of literature & that does not make it true. big difference. also sarles dickens never instructed to keep human slaves either.
@nayanmalig The Quran is open ended in that it tells the reader to look to the world for wisdom. Basically, it is saying that we should engage with the world and think. Therefore it is open ended. That you want to edit it just shows that you've missed that point. I wonder, though, what you are looking for....
@lajungesombre your the person who earlier claimed it could be edited & not me. I am not looking for anything.
it's amazing the amount of lies & deception that you engage into deceiving others as well as yourself. truly revealing. your not alone. there are many christians & others who resort to same.
@nayanmalig ok so let's see.....who will edit the Quran? You? Really? You've read ONE paper. I don't understand why people would follow you......I think that you should take the Quran in stride rather than ban or edit it. If you can't handle reading the quran without going crazy, just like the mullahs, then maybe unenlightened athiests and fanatic mullahs should both put the quran down and learn sum more
i don't think 911 was done by anyone from 'over there' but organized by people over here. an inside job. and i agree with what this guy opens up saying as well...
(BTW... this is not a comment about Sam Harris at all)
i don't agree the questioners final statement questioning whether we should undermine religious structures.
Again, the fat guy says: "Nothing would happen if the Yankees just went home".
(I guess he works for the Guardian.) If the US was any where near the imperial power these comfy, left-wing windbags claim it is, we would've been selling hot dogs in Mecca 50 years ago...If the attacks were by right- wing Christians instead of Muslims, this politically correct windbag would be calling them Nazis and demanding action..what a dunce.
That old guy is an appeaser and a conformist. He just doesn't understand the simple truth that traditional islam is totally incompatible with western culture. Those muslims who follow islam to the letter cannot live comfortably in our society; they had better move elsewhere.
But if a muslim is willing to "corrupt" themselves with our culture then good, please stay, you are welcome! This corruption has happened with our traditional religious instutions like churches etc ...
@ksym LOL haha 'our' culture? Go work in a sweatshop, or in a mine in Sierra Leone, or live in a refugee camp is Palestine. You're corporate culture is a laughable excuse for culture. Don't mix up corporate culture with genuine French, British, Arab, Indian, Chinese cultures.
@ksym … you summed it up nicely! The problem, e.g. in Europe, is that islamic countries dump off the superfluous parts of their population – those that are uneducated, hardcore islamistic, often thoroughly inbred – into western societies where they breed and multiply like crazy while living off the welfare system and demanding that the indigeneous people cater to their stupid demands, e.g. they want their friggin' sharia law. Solution: let's put contraceptiva into their drinking water!
In a divided nation (western culture versus muslim culture) we DO NOT waste time on dialgue. Fuck dialogue. If a clear division has already happened, as per 9/11 etc, it is quite clear that those muslims who think our culture is SHIT should fuck off and move to middle-east. Simple.
You don't like your neighbors, neighbors are many, then move the fuck out. Don't make needless ruckus.
The fastest and most effective way to combat extremism and religion is to educate people. Especially women. There is a direct correlation between intelligence and religion adherence.
@daavq educating self-indoctrinated third generation muslims is a waste of time. If some of them think our culture is crap, they will _never_ get rid of this notion. Better they fuck off than we bribe them.
@daavq hahahahahahahhaha wow. I LOVE religion, and i oppose religious organizations. There is a direct correlation between being a shit-talking westerner and irreligious sentiment. Hmm I wonder what it is. BTW, religion and science, religion and art, religion and culture and PERFECTLY compatible. Don't confuse AlQaeda with Islam
@lajungesombre Most Muslims insist women wear cloth bags. Most Christians believe the bible is literal and the story of Genesis true, despite the mountain of scientific evidence to the contrary. AlQaeda is Islam, it's just one of it's many faces. If you told AlQaeda members they were not Muslims, they'd probably cut your head off.
@daavq LOL you are right, they probably would. But I still assert that they are not Muslim in anything but ritual and name. Their outlook is not conducive to religiosity: the search for truth. They behaviour is not conducive to religiosity: to act well towards truth. You say it is a face of Islam. Rather, Al Qaeda is a face of particular political, economic, historical grievances, development, and institutions. They may quote the Quran, but they sure as hell dont understand it
@lajungesombre How can you say they don't understand it. Any religion whose principle tenet is, "This is the true religion and all others are bunk" is bound to produce this sort of extremism. Christians are the same. There is a reason the first commandment is "You shall have no other gods before me." It's because people are easier to control and dupe when they think they are in the special group. Education combats this notion of exclusivity.
@daavq I don't think you understand the Quran either. Let's also make the clear, the principle tenet of the Quran is "AQR" meaning to learn, discover, proclaim, study, discern. This is literally the first word, first verse of the Quran. The first verse is one word "iqra". Full stop exclamation mark. The Quran exhorts us to understand how we are in Being.....Buddhists, Heidegger, Sikhism all point to the same direction.
@lajungesombre Explain to me then why there are so many Muslim suicide bombers? You don't hear of Buddhists blowing up markets. Muslims and Christians both believe theirs is the one true faith. And Muslims don't even agree amoungst themselves - Sunni on Shia violence is common. The Quran is nothing special, it is a book just like Harry Potter only written a lot earlier.
@daavq Well, firstly where do suicide bombs occur: Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, and Pakistan. This is essentially a political question. In Lebanon the first suicide bombings were against an American army barracks. In Palestine, the first suicide bombings occured in the 1980s. In Iraq, the first ones after 2003, ditto Pakistan. All four countries were either : invaded, occupied, or bombed. It doesn't justify this, but it contextualizes it.
In case some dont really get this important thread.This terrorism is quite often but not always false flag events created by either the CIA or other groups wanting to keep the policy of occupying the Middle East. The demonisation of Muslims is just a cadish racial stirring created by propoganda from a controlling elite media. Bin Laden has been dead since maybe just befor 9 11. Libya: liberated tonight for he playing hard ball for oil pricing to the Rothschild/Rochafellas.
There are a number of deluded people that spout "Coexisting". I say bullshit. I have no sympathy for Muslims, nor do I respect their religion. It would be a good thing to wipe them off the face of the earth.
@Reqrezentin Why not? If you're going to kill 2000000 anything it really should be religious zealots if anything. And if they had the ability they'd have killed 10X that many non-Muslims at least. You doubt that? I've been to the Middle East. They are friggin' insane for the most part. No education, extremist religions, and so on.....that's a recipe for disaster. I say just nuke the whole damned ME, including Israel, and rid the world of the problems.
@Reqrezentin well thank you, I feel honoured. But I am not about to turn myself in just yet as there are still more muslims roaming this planet. May I remind you that Muslims have killed more Muslims than I have but maybe some day I will catch up to them. In the meantime I smell shit so you may want to change your fucking diaper as there might be a Moham in there.
@Mrwilwak Sam Harris is a scientist, and public debator, for many well respected college universities. I seriously doubt he takes petty jokes about his appearance, as personally or serious as you do.
As Christopher Hitchens points out, radical Muslims have been wreaking havoc in India for decades for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with America. Sunnis and Shia have been killing each other for 1000 years. If Islam went through an Enlightenment similar to what happened to Christianity, then we wouldn't be having this conversation...
@johnclavis an enblightenment requieres a progressive world view. the islamic world view is regressive, phantasising about a once great and perfect past which has to be restored. until that paradigm shifts, we can hope for the islamic enlightenment until kingdom come :D
knowledge is the way to fight ignorance and stupidity I mean "religions"
Nietzschean1000 3 days ago
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Dawkins intentions are pure, athiesm is the ideal he believes in
But I can never take guys like Harris and Hitchens seriously. They are there to co-opt the athiest/leftist movement into getting on board with the war politics of the right.
The christian right has already been moulded into a brainless pro-imperialist pro-zionist pro-war machine.
Guys like Harris/Hitchens are there to preach to the choir about athiesm and then slip in some crafty Pro-War/Zionist agendas.
freeshyne1234 5 days ago
Religion is incompatable with 21st century knowledge
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Honeyandmilk100 1 week ago
Once more the Sith/Muslims will rule the Galaxy/World! And we shall have peace..
JohanTW 1 week ago
Embrace this life for it's own sake. Elaborate themes and dogmas do not enhance but rather hinder peace, cooperation, learning and advancement of our species. Theisms are the training wheels of life and culture. We're so much better without them. Let go. It's easy to forget that believing in gods is never our own idea. We inherit beliefs such as these from family and culture.
beautyinbreakdowns2 1 week ago
@thejack1452. Violence and subjugation are limiting in any context so I reject them categorically. As I said before, as long as we have religion we will have enmity, because someone will always be wrong by someone else's god. We have to step outside of it all if we are to have peace.
beautyinbreakdowns2 1 week ago
@gnomefro. I thought that was really well argued. @thejack1452. I think the whole issue for you is context. You see the world in the context of Islam, and Interpret it in a way favorable to itself. I see Islam in context of religion, religion in context of humanity, and humanity in context of the world. It's plain to me which view is limiting and which is empowering. When you flip the context and stand outside of Islam, you can see how the claims and details are irrelevant.
beautyinbreakdowns2 1 week ago
Also, where are the Latin American, South American, and South-East Asian countries or individual groups from those countries threatening the U.S in the same way Muslims are? They have been just as exploited in the past by America than any Middle Eastern country out there. Again, it all comes down to what people believe. This is the best argument for people who say they hate us because of what we did to them in the past. Latin and South America should be doing the same to the U.S as Muslims.
44warjunkie 1 week ago
Harris makes an excellent point about how Muslim grievances derive from theological disputes. Why did Bin Laden want U.S troops out of Saudi Arabia? Not because he saw them as greedy capitalist opportunists, but because they were not Muslim and were residing in a holy place. The U.S had bases in other mid east countries why didn’t he mention them and only Saudi Arabia? We as Westerners can't keep doing this and thinking we are the problem when the problem are their worldview.
44warjunkie 1 week ago
@44warjunkie why is it that others arent too botherd by the troops's presence ? why isnt there a mass demonstration against it ? have u asked yourself that once u do you'll get every muslim's point we are not represented by one nutjob we are as diverse as it can get
TheJack1452 1 week ago
Jack, do you understand that your post has nothing whatever to do with mine? Why debate interpretations of ancient, made up nonsense? Come join us in the twenty-first century. Let's forget all that religious nonsense and past conflicts and have peace and cooperation instead. Give up "being right." There are no gods. Let's focus instead on improving the human condition and all that entails.
beautyinbreakdowns2 3 weeks ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 thats your view not mine and what do mean nothing you quote a verse out of context i simply put the context for all the lazy bobs out there and im pretty sure Stalin tried that ended up killing 40 million or so as i see it my islam pushes me to improve the human condition my islam makes everything i face in life meaningful cuz living just for the sake of living is a concept that my mind cannot accept but we areall entitled to our opinion and respect yours and you for not ---
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 being brat like the rest of the hate mongers but i do wish u had researched the context for these verse out academic integrity if nothing else.
P.S i know u see it as nonsense but should u want to know more for the sake of knowledge do send me a message as i unlike most people actually study islam and working on my thesis right now and any questions are welcomed
peace (or salam alaykum )
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@thejack1452. Non sequitur.
beautyinbreakdowns2 3 weeks ago
@acr08807, Will jihadis care about what kind of infidel I am? It seems unlikely. I don't advocate war. I know there are many Muslim sects. The particulars don't concern me because I reject all faith based religion and theism because they are based on authority rather than observation and reason. As long as we have universalizing religion, we will have enmity because someone will always be wrong by someone else's god. Theism prevents peace and cooperation on the grandest scale.
beautyinbreakdowns2 3 weeks ago
4:55
I studied islam, and my professors mentioned that jihad should be seen as a spiritual battle within the person practising islam. Still, if even muslims themselves don't seem to adhere to this definition, what is the use of trying to redefine the concept? (other than being apologetic about it)
Cinqmil 3 weeks ago
I <3 Sam Harris; he speaks the truth beautifully.
GrowMoreMddleFingers 3 weeks ago
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The old fellow wants to have a dialogue with Islamic extremists, and calls those who question his moral posing as "crackpots" for comparing him to Neville Chamberlain. I think the comparison is insulting to Chamberlain. He represents what is wrong with Britain's cultural and intellectual ruling classes. As a group they could be characterized as a miserable menagerie of politically correct invertebrates, so morally gelatinous you could spread them on your toast.
abdul7591 3 weeks ago
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abdul7591 3 weeks ago
The cause of this alleged; "Islamic humiliation", is Islam. Islam makes no pretense of peaceful co-existence with any other ideology. Islam is incompatible with progress and civilization. Islam is the enemy of humanity itself.
bddc201 3 weeks ago
The easiest way to defeat the conservative ignorant muslims in non-violent disobedience... the Quran, it must be reminded them, is their idol scripture... and since it says that they are not allowed to kill us, then dare they enslave us, we will disobey. Then, being as they should focus on God, they should stop doing science or progress and just pray to (a non-existent)God ALWAYS, they will then have no time to Listen to Satan and hurt us. Islam myths are false, it must be reminded them kindly.
letsomethingshine 1 month ago
SAM HARRIS is Sionist with a agenda!!!!!
THe man still believe that the 9/11 was not an inside JOB
Djimi is = Apartheid
WOWOWOWOW the man is so smart
almao2006 1 month ago
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Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing, or a belief that is not a fact.! google faith lol
flexbrat 1 month ago
I am not one to fight in wars. But if Islam was to suddenly take a chokehold over our planet, I would die to try and stop it.
torontoBluejays87 1 month ago 12
@torontoBluejays87 I pity you my friend for not even understanding the true content of Islam by not reading it and then presenting a self made thought without proper analysis. Those people who are truly evil are trying to diminish Islam by making up unreal statements like these that you see on television and newspapers. Believe in yourself to know the truth my friend, look inside your heart.
Honeyandmilk100 1 week ago
@Honeyandmilk100 There are 100's of millions of people all around the world who want Sharia law enforced across the planet. That would mean for people like myself (who thinks of organized religion as the fart of human intellect) certain death. And you want me to be a sympathizer to your religion? By the way...100's of millions of people is a conservative estimate in my mind. Medieval superstition + modern weaponry = A bad day for the human species.
torontoBluejays87 1 week ago
@torontoBluejays87 First of all forcing people to do anything against their will even forcing them to convert to any religion id forbidden in Islam as stated in the Holy Quran itself. And second if those people who say they are Muslims and follow this practice of forcing other people to do anything, they are specifically hypocrites.
Honeyandmilk100 1 week ago
@Honeyandmilk100 The "prophet" Muhammad (fictional or not) was a warlord. A man who forced his ideology on others and dismembered those who would not convert. It is very clear in your book that those who are not believers in the muslim faith have to be either killed or forced into slavery. There are millions upon millions of people in the present day who long for that sort of global submission. Why do people get their heads cut off for the crime of peacefully leaving the faith?
torontoBluejays87 1 week ago
@torontoBluejays87 Like I said, if you haven't read either the Holy Quran or even the Sahih Hadiths, you know nothing but conjecture. He was the most noble person ever and showed mercy to even those who tried to kill him. He punished those who spread mischief, practised murder and killing on innocent people helped reform even crminals and as I told you forcing someone to do anything is forbidden in Islam and he of all people never forced anyone to convert. It's written clearly in the Hadith.
Honeyandmilk100 1 week ago
@torontoBluejays87 The verse you are looking for is Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362 where it explains what happened to the people who fought Muhammad in the Battle of Badr. Some of them were exiled, only those people were sentenced to death who continue to spread harm and some were granted mercy and converted to Islam from their own will and they were also granted a fair share of wealth. Just read it my friend and you will know the Truth.
Honeyandmilk100 1 week ago
@Honeyandmilk100 You still didn't answer my question. Why is it, in Islamic States like Saudi Arabia, the case where public beheadings are still held daily for those who choose to leave the Muslim faith? For the simple crime of changing one's mind on something, you are executed. It is quite clear in the Koran that Allah despises people who choose not to be muslim, and demands terror and death in this life and beyond for that crime. This is the ideology that threatens the human species.
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@torontoBluejays87 Another thing about those who reject Islam is Surah 18:29 And say, It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him, who will, disbelieve for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames). It is for those as I said who spread mischief and violence like the Jews did against Prophet Moses and were sentenced to death. Remember this my friend, just because you have freewill doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it.
Honeyandmilk100 1 week ago
@torontoBluejays87 Its happening right now. Join in the fight
ToadsMGodes 5 days ago
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What if Islamists discovered that God actually was gay and Satan was his buttlover and swapped Santorum (google it) and loved Satan very much, and like many gay couples had a spat of epic proportions. Think about that Godsmack.
Foreshadow44 1 month ago
Question was 4 minutes long.
BobMcCob 1 month ago 4
@BobMcCob This guy is a blow-hard
zevon1964 1 month ago
Muslims feel humiliated for the simple reason that since kids they are brought up to believe that their religion is the perfect and best, they are God's Chosen and their culture is the greatest. When they grow up and find that this is not the case, they take out their wrath on the others on the planet.
harishkumar09 1 month ago
@harishkumar09 And that's why Islamism is so popular in the Middle East. Muslims can't accept a Secular state, because as soon as they feel (even just the slightest) that they might very well be wrong - and that they don't have domination over non-Muslims - they become extremely violent. As soon as they think that possibly they've spent most of their lives worshipping a paedophile and living as if it was the 9 Century - they just can't think of what a waster their lives have been.
energylots 1 month ago
Rationalism or Science cannot put an end to the atrocities of Islam, for the simple reason, Reason or Humanism cannot inspire people to fight Islam or for that matter any evil, such as Nazism. Only Faith, another religion can inspire people to put an end to the tyranny of Islam. Rationalists can only say Islam and Christianity and Hinduism are all bad, but only a Hindu or a Christian or Jew can put an end to Islam and create the conducive atmosphere or Rationalists to debunk Christianity or Hind
harishkumar09 1 month ago
Y SO FEW PEOPLE?
dummychaos 2 months ago
@dummychaos Internal lectures at university are only advertised to staff, or more often, the staff of just 1 or 2 departments... and attending means taking time away from their jobs, so such lectures won't fill the hall.
neverfearchrisishere 1 month ago
Was that a question or a speech?
daskalaka 2 months ago
The reason muslims feel so humiliated is that they are all raised to believe as muslims they are SUPERIOR to everyone else and should be on top of all the kuffars not the other way around. Muslims have no problems humiliating and subjugating non muslim societies.
og100glesuxbadly 3 months ago
Very true! If Islam were the “religion of peace” then it should follow that the more fanatically Islamic one became, the more fanatically peaceful. Yet this is not the case. Just the opposite! The more fanatically Islamic one becomes, the more violent and xenophobic. So by that comparison, Islam should be called the “religion of violence and xenophobia”.
deah99 3 months ago
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According to prominent Jewish rabbis in Israel and the U.S., Talmudic Orthodox Judaism condones blowing a elderly man out of a wheelchair with explosives launched from helicopter warship missiles (as in the case of Israel's assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin on 3-22-04).
In which forum shall we look to find you wringing your hands over this particularly repulsive spectacle of Jewish extremism, Sam??? Ye hypocrites!
djs259 3 months ago in playlist Sam Harris
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Hey Dr. Harris, when are you going to provide us with a sneering polemic against Judaism, as you have done in the case of both Christianity and Islam since, as we all know, you think that all religion is bullshit?
Oh, I forgot, Jewish fanaticism gets a free pass, being that you're a nice Jewish boy who wouldn't dream of saying anything that might call into question the prevailing myth of the Holy Chosen Pimples and the need for us all to support their blood-soaked apartheid state for Jew ONLY!
djs259 3 months ago
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Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
Mr. Harris as he is known to the faithful has once again delivered an airtight case for the dangers of religion.
699backstab 3 months ago
@699backstab people have known about the cruel, intellect and creativity numbing effect of religion for thousands of years now...
lightbrownpoop 2 months ago
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xSilverPhinxx 3 months ago
Wow!! Sam gave such a logical well argued reply. Thank you
scipio909 3 months ago
There is no point in talking honestly to a muslim for the koran allows them to lie.Now do you understand ?
naybobdenod 4 months ago
Except that nobody knows what mohammad actually looked like.
TheDano1947 4 months ago
@TheDano1947 Gee I wonder... Did he have a beard? Did he wear a turban? I wonder. He was a man... looked pretty much like the rest of us!!
wondergundy 3 months ago
@wondergundy Why wonder? He apparently wasn't very important,except when westerners try to portray the man with no face. Then all hell breaks loose. How dare westerners draw he whose face is invisible.!!
TheDano1947 3 months ago
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Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights.
IslamISsick1 4 months ago
@pixelslayer247 I think of the religion as secondary to a global state. Muhammad may have seen the possibilities that come with a unified world, the ultimate empire. What else would be the point of a join or die doctrine? A unified world achieved through force seems more likely than one achieved through cooperation. Thats the only way Islam makes sense. Muhammad wanted world domination for his people.
beautyinbreakdowns2 4 months ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 I think you've got friend. Religion has always been about control.
TheDano1947 3 months ago
@pixelslayer247 Yes, that's probably right. They can't see their religion in context of all religions nor history nor anything else. They have it flipped. They see everything in the context of their religion, so the world is full of infidels. Bloody brainwashing has left them immune to reason, logic and compassion. Muhammad just wanted to be a warlord.
beautyinbreakdowns2 4 months ago
what he is saying:
all religions suck, but islam out-sucks them all (in the present)
unamaxify 5 months ago 3
When a person is asking a question and it takes him longer then another person answering it what does it tell us?
nilsnelson23 5 months ago
Why Jihad means struggle or strive stop using words you don't know in the wrong way. This dude sounds racist. "we are going to keep having babies and eventually its going to be Arabia." BTW at our mosque alone this month almost 100+ converts and some of them were atheist. This guy doesn't have knowledge on Islam that's why he is saying negative things.
BatmanbinSuperman12 5 months ago
@BatmanbinSuperman12 On the contrary, I would bet he would have far more knowledge of Islam than most Muslims and would certainly have more knowledge of Islamic history. If you had read any of his books you would realise that, but being Muslim you would have only read one book.
alcraig 4 months ago
@alcraig I dont read just one book i read a lot. But i havent read any of harris's books but his ideas of Islam are ignorant.
BatmanbinSuperman12 4 months ago
@alcraig btw you are saying all Muslims have only read one by by your last statement apperently Muslims "cant read"
BatmanbinSuperman12 4 months ago
@BatmanbinSuperman12 No, but there are some interesting numbers regarding literacy in Islamic theocracies that correlate to low interest in being a broadly literate culture. Numbers of texts translated into Arabic, numbers of technical, political or cultural works that are focused on religion and so on. It's not hard and fast proof, but it seems to indicate a stifling intellectual atmosphere.
ablairmekkis 4 months ago
just conspiracy fact. Libya tries to set up a gold backed currency for Africa and Hugo Chaves gives micro loans to his SA neighbours to bypass the IMF who would impose strict state sale of assets (conveniently to big international business). There is an awful amount of oil under the ground of so called 'rogue states'.
topcatoh 5 months ago
Sam Harris scores again!
AtheistWoman 5 months ago
we can convert, be a slave or die as far as Muslims are concerned. They cannot be negotiated with since its the word of god (to them). They showed they're not playing, so we can't play either. What is ironic here in the context of atheism is that perhaps the only thing that can rally westerners in sufficient numbers is christianity. It's unlikely that modern liberalism could ever be sufficient to rally the masses in sufficient numbers. They are coming. I'm no Christian but we might need that n
beautyinbreakdowns2 5 months ago 24
@beautyinbreakdowns2 I think I want to make the distinction that we have in common with christians what we have in common with all the other non-islamic denominations, that's that we are not muslim, and are all in equal danger from a worldwide islamic state. We have a common interest with all non muslims on the planet, that's more people than the muslim bastards have and we'll need every one, we can't alienate anyone when it comes to the greatest evil Earth has known, islam.
PixelSlayer247 4 months ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 Sounds a whole lot like the Go'a'Uld. Slave, Host or die :D
AxeHomeless 3 months ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 You really have no idea about differences in beliefs among Muslims, do you? Seriously, before you start fighting a religious war, you might want to get a more sophisticated view of the problem.
acr08807 3 weeks ago
@ksym @soundgarden8497 @macmarine I have to agree and I think it's important to say that I detest racists and bigots of all kinds. But this isn't racism or bigotry on our part. The verse of the sword is very clear. They can lie, cheat, trick and to anything at all against the infidels. What Sam Harris said was exactly right; we can convert, be a slave or die as far as Muslims are concerned. They cannot be negotiated with since its the word of god. They showed they're not playing, so we can't pl
beautyinbreakdowns2 5 months ago 16
@beautyinbreakdowns2 Verse of sword clear.... What is clear? Kill All Infidels?? What is lie cheat trick... I won't lie, cheat, Trick. You are upset with Quran It's clear. \
I'll tell you how to take conclusion from Quran. Gather all verses and narrations of Prophet and define the rule without neutralizing any verse or narration. Then you will find this some verses like this "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes >>>2
17678986 2 months ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 >>>>>Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. Al Quran 60:8
Muslim is not allowed to kill any Infidel without he being qualify to be killed in any case like murder or attempt or plot to murder. I challenge to provide a single incident from the period of prophet or his companions.
17678986 2 months ago
Old man questioner got the point.
17678986 2 months ago
@beautyinbreakdowns2 first the fact that you use "they" discredits you because there is over 1.5 billion muslims out there of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds so if we were out to get u we would've already done so moreover the Quranic Scholars (Muhammad Asad and Maulana Muhammad Ali) explain that the permission to fight and kill is being given regarding specific tribes already at war with the Muslims who have breached their peace agreements and have attacked the Muslims first
TheJack1452 3 weeks ago
@TheJack1452 continuation
In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. This verse is quoted during a battle, and hence the Qur'an says, "Kill the Mushriks wherever you find them", during a battle
TheJack1452 3 weeks ago
@TheJack1452 "first the fact that you use "they" discredits you because there is over 1.5 billion muslims out there of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds so if we were out to get u we would've already done so "
Roflmao! Welcome to reality. The vast majority of these 1.5 billion people are illiterate people in third world countries with very little ability to inflict damage on anyone. Second, there are 5.5 billion non-muslims in the world. That's why Islam was stopped.
Gnomefro 1 week ago
@Gnomefro u use an argument reflecting your own blindness to islam and the world islam wasnt 'stopped' and will never be its the world fastest growing religion with half of this coming from converts from developed countries so i guess not so illiterate first u offer no proof second u ignore the first ayat of islam 'read in the name of your lord' which is a call to studing and reflecting something repeated extensively throughout the quran and that every muslim must read the quran in arabic -----
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 conti
meaning again u claim out of utter ignorance u're probably some douch that cant get of the couch and into the real world and meet real muslims and live in muslim majority countries and know the real and honest truth
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 What you don't seem to get is that you can quote "Islamic Scholars" all day long, and the fact will remain that Mohammed and the early muslims waged Imperialistic warfare on a massive scale with the express justification that they, the muslims, had a right to rule everyone else and that it was divinely ordained that Islam should rule the world. Moreover, like Sura al Anfal states, plundering and taking of slaves are merely "Gifts from Allah".
Gnomefro 1 week ago
@Gnomefro if i cant quote the earliest scholars that everyday muslim take as guides to a better understanding of islam than whats the point of discussing anything ? and where do u get your proof and anfal means bounties not slaves they are 'named what your right hand possess ' again sheer incompetence in even researching before typing abdurrahman(dot)org(slash)qurantafseer(slash)tafsir(slash)ibnkathir(slash)TIK-Surah-008 there an entire science called tafssir that is interpretation that ------
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 that u and ironically terrorists seem to forget and simply plaster what ever violent meaning u wish for and did u punishment for terrorism is already there it falls under 'hiraba' so why dont u google it like a good boy and understand a little before being arrogantly attached to a dumb racist view
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 To suggest that the early muslims expanded from Medina to encompass all of the middle east, north Africa, India and parts of Europe via defensive warfare is to be in wild denial of core realities of history. This push towards world domination was, thankfully, crushed by the Mongols and subsequently by the Europeans. That these people were willing to fight for their freedom is the only reason Islam does not dominate today.
Gnomefro 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 Now, the Jihadists, they actually understand the doctrine that unleashed the muslim plague upon all these innocent people and wish to continue that project. They have an honest relationship both with the Qur'an and the Hadith and don't have to excuse any of it. You and your scholars do not. Because of this, it seems most productive for all non-muslims to dismiss you guys as not representing any honest interpretation of Islam.
Gnomefro 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 I don't know what your reason for arguing the way you do is. Whether you are honestly deluded and ignorant of Islamic history and doctrine, simply want your childhood indoctrination to represent something "good" in the face of vast evidence to the contrary, or are lying on purpose, and frankly it doesn't really matter. The main point is that your credibility is zero, while that of the Jihadists is significant.
Gnomefro 1 week ago
@Gnomefro what evidence all i keep hearing is : claims....claims....claims then some more with big words in between and dont start making baseless assumptions and like a great muslim companion of the prophet once said 'never have i debated an ignorant and won' i can give u any sufficient proof to convince a logical person but it wouldnt matter cuz you're a bigot but if im wrong here quranandwar google it and be enlightened and FYI minor jihad is war and major jihad is with ones self
TheJack1452 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 IMO, you should disassociate you from the labels "muslim" and "Islam" if you do not want to be associated with their activities and reasonable interpretations of the Qur'an.
Much like someone claiming he's a Nazi, because he regards Hitler's industrial policy as brilliant, should disassociate himself from that label if he in fact does not hate Jews or subscribe to other problematic aspects of Nazi ideology.
Gnomefro 1 week ago
@TheJack1452 The fact is that Islam is rightly regarded as a superstitious imperialistic doctrine by non-muslims and it would be wrong to solve your problems of emotional attachment to nonsense by redefining Islam as something compatible with civilization merely to fix issues with your ego. Just as it would be wrong to go "There are good Nazis and Bad Nazis". No - the problem is inherent to the the ideology and the superstition.
Gnomefro 1 week ago
Sam Harris needs to realize that he will never get the credibility and the respect until he start speaking the truth like Dr. Norman Finkelstein. Sam Harris never said a word about Israel crimes against the Palestinians. Now this is something to think about. he is a lire, Muslims don’t hate the Good Jews but they hate Israel who occupied Palestine and driven 7 Millions Palestinians out of their homes and killed over one and a half million, now this is the truth.
Munzer1977 5 months ago
Old man's question is a speech.
kaushiksays 5 months ago
That gentle man was on point. He indeed humiliated Sam. Sam generalizes too much.
DenActivist 6 months ago 2
Sam Harris is one of the biggest hypocrites around.
According to him, terrorism is bad (but if Zionist Jews do it it's OK).
OrthodoxDarwinist 6 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist lol so true. Him and Gisele Littman or Bat Yeor
lajungesombre 6 months ago
SILENCE IS AGREEANCE. There is nothing other than the islamic religious doctrine-nothing-that caused those terrorist acts. Learn the fucking doctrine idiot before making excuses.Talking to muslims is useless.El Taqqiyya-the islamic concept of being allowed to LIE-what do you think they will tell you fuckwit?Islam is the problem ENTIRELY.Wake up moron.
Pitttdog 6 months ago
@Pitttdog Learn the language please. Taqiya comes from WQF, meaning piety and translates qua Taqiya directly as 'caution'. If anything, Taqiya means pious caution, or caution in a way in which piety is promoted. Piety is not humility but the ability to maintain one's dignity and humanity in the face of difficulty. :-)
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajunmbre reference 3.28 then look up the tafsir aljalalayn. The concept & meaning is to lie to 'guard or protect' islam. when the official islamic tafsir from ib abbas says"guard urselves against them..by speaking in a friendly way towards them with,while your hearts dislikes this'.Dehlawis definition is"To save life, honour. Or property(either one’s own or of other believers)by hiding one’s belief or religion"These ARE UR islamic scholars definitions.I speak arabic-do u?Learn the language pls
Pitttdog 6 months ago
@Pitttdog You speak? Wonderful! then you have differentiated between the Fusha and what you speak right? Saying that, you know that 1. tafseers differentiate 2. tafseer is never definitive 3. that WQF means caution and not guard or protect. You KNOW that. So why do you conceal what it means? You know what the word is for Conceal? KFR. A cloud is KFR is classical Arabic poetry. A farmer is a KFR. And your words are KFR. Do not conceal but rather reveal the way to truth plz
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajunombre Using a little taqiyya urself r u?.Lets not split hairs or talk rubbish here or divert from the subject.FACT-Your own islamic sources who OFFICIALLY interpret the verses(like it or not you must adhere)I have quoted you source & reference.ALL OFFICAL.ALL ISLAMIC.Im not here to convince U.U r muslim & likely a liar.Its for the others on the page to check my references which are SAUDI SANCTIONED OFFICIAL ISLAMIC definitions.I dont care what you say.Makes no difference.kohl khara ya ayr
Pitttdog 6 months ago
@Pitttdog There is no official centralized Islamic institution, such as in the Catholic tradition. Also, I am not splitting hairs. Instead, you are making a gross oversimplification of Taqiyaa. Moreover, you are doing so in a way in which Islam become anathema to morality. In itself, that exhibits a very weak understanding of Islam. Finally, your reference to Saudi institutions are speaking on behalf of the Muslim world is incorrect, since most Muslims are Sunni not Salafi
lajungesombre 6 months ago
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No one should be allowed to ask a FOUR MINUTE QUESTION!!!!!!!
politicoochie09 6 months ago
lies & deception is the backbone of creator based religions. they will lie & deceive to extraordinary levels to defend their sick beliefs.
nayanmalig 6 months ago
@nayanmalig Bizarre, because in Islam KFR or Concealment is a grave misdeed. Hmm. Weird. Perhaps you should study the Quran more. If you have, bring your evidence. Translation is important as is the word-family (Arabic is big on word-family much like English is big on etymology)
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre study. that's all you people have to say in defense.i seen the things that mullahs say on YouTube after studying. how to beat women etc. studying BS makes you mentally sick. that goes for other violent religions too. one & all.
nayanmalig 6 months ago
@nayanmalig I agree with you, in that it is sick. But you generalize that sickness on everyone. Imagine if a Palestinian said that all Americans are as sick as George W Bush. You shouldnt characterize religion based on a person or even a single institution. Rather, take issue with the institution, person, law, &c
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre I characterize violent religions by their own writings which are sicker than small pox. when people are exposed to the teachings they catch the genocidal bug. people are just violently sick patients. I do not blame them. I blame the source of sickness. The bug/ the religions. the end.
nayanmalig 6 months ago
@nayanmalig Maybe. But I put the onus on you to compare and contrast Mein Kampf to the Quran. Write a serious paper showing that the Quran is as genocidal as Mein Kampf, submit it to an academic journal. I can guess that they will laugh you out of the academic community, simply because your view of the Quran is quite small-minded. Even scholars like Sam Harris has been utterly criticized by Islamic scholars. I suggest you read a little, since ignorance is the genuine bug that infects the mind
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre
"Even scholars like Sam Harris has been utterly criticized by Islamic scholars. "
of course islamic scholars will utterly criticize ANYONE who criticizes islam.....religious text tend to be filled with hatred for people of other races/religions. that is the nature of the writers.
sabin97 6 months ago
@sabin97 "of course islamic scholars will utterly criticize ANYONE who criticizes islam". Ok so I take it you've read Bill Aban Whitehouse's response to the End of Faith? You have....right?
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre
i have not. why?
christian scholars will also utterly criticize ANYONE who criticizes christianity, it's not just islam. abrahamic religions are pretty much the same....
sabin97 6 months ago
@sabin97 You should. He comments to the book the End of Faith. My suggestion is to read philosophy and ponder. I think your view will expand. Try Heidegger's Being and Time.
And christian scholars do not criticize anyone who criticizes christianity. That is a gross oversimplification and distorted generalization
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre
i just might read it(if i can find space in my queue)
but i must admit that i'm prejudiced against the horrors i've seen from the abrahamic religions.
sabin97 5 months ago
@sabin97 I too am so damn opposed to many of these religious institutions. To me, they are a genuine affront to religiosity. So many self-proclaimed religious institutions often conceal the truth, meaning they preform KUFR, so they act like KAFIR. lol ironic eh? the ultimate goal of religion is truth, and any self-proclaimed religious person must abide by that, otherwise they are simply lying. Often, these institutions and lied, killed, raped, pillaged their way to the top.
lajungesombre 5 months ago
@lajungesombre
some use the blasphemous book of jew lies(a.k.a. the "holy" bible) others use the book of arab lies("holy" quran)
it's really a shame that people need to be guilted and threatened into behaving. cant people act like decent human beings just for the sake of being decent human beings? there's always the guilt of the "sacrifice" of jesus, and the threat of hell.....
sabin97 5 months ago
@lajungesombre I don't have to submit anything to anybody. Just watch a mullah instructing how to beat your own wives. it's on YouTube.
The onus is on you to prove that they are anti koran. are they? YES OR NO? A clear answer without dodging please.
So, why are Muslims so powerless?
Answer: Lack of education.
All they do is blame everyone else for our multiple failures!!!!!
nayanmalig 6 months ago
@nayanmalig You are right, the onus is one me since I say they are not following it. Well, firstly, the Quran is an open-ended not closed-text. It is not a 'complete' text in the sense of an Encyclopaedia. Rather it is a 'complete' text in that it points to the world as the source of wisdom. When someone in 2011 living in say Madrid looks to the world, I don't think they will see 'beating their wife' as wife. So the mullah is not wise. But Madrid is not Afghanistan.....
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre they willnot see beating their wife as wise
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre not following it well are they? i heard that complain million times from all theists. everybody is wrong except for himself. koran open ended? then can we edit it like software or wikipedia? what about the cutting off of hands? that open ended too? when you try to deceive somebody do it in a non laughable way.
nayanmalig 6 months ago
@nayanmalig I don't think you've studied the Quran for any good amount of time. If you have, please put forward your ideas. But banal observations and trite interpretations will do you no good. I think you need to separate the phenomena of religion from the institutions, much as you separate the phenomena of politics from the institutions. There is something political, just as there is something religious, to the human experience.
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre you study other religions & find out how they are applied. their people have a better standard of living. I don't need to study the koran as much as you don't need to study the bible or Tripitaka. your answer is asking others to study a clearly failed religion. are the mullahs wrong when they instruct how to beat wives? do you condemn it? are you sacred to condemn it? you are trying to cover one lie with another but it's an epic fail. can the koran be edited? yes or no?
nayanmalig 5 months ago
@nayanmalig I just told a customer what you told me, about editing the Quran. She was an old white lady. She said you don't sound very educated. I agree. You really want to edit the Quran? Sorry, but the Quran is an ooooold text, a fantastic work of literature, written by one of the most influential people in history. How about this: YOU edit the Quran and see how many people enjoy it. :-)
lajungesombre 5 months ago
@lajungesombre your lying has taken a new dimension. it's you who said koran is open ended can be edited unless you have deleted that post. your stuck in a stubborn self deceptive web of lies & deceit. bible is older than koran. age doesn't make things true or false. Oliver Twist is also a fantastic piece of literature & that does not make it true. big difference. also sarles dickens never instructed to keep human slaves either.
nayanmalig 5 months ago
@nayanmalig The Quran is open ended in that it tells the reader to look to the world for wisdom. Basically, it is saying that we should engage with the world and think. Therefore it is open ended. That you want to edit it just shows that you've missed that point. I wonder, though, what you are looking for....
lajungesombre 5 months ago
@lajungesombre your the person who earlier claimed it could be edited & not me. I am not looking for anything.
it's amazing the amount of lies & deception that you engage into deceiving others as well as yourself. truly revealing. your not alone. there are many christians & others who resort to same.
nayanmalig 5 months ago
@nayanmalig ok so let's see.....who will edit the Quran? You? Really? You've read ONE paper. I don't understand why people would follow you......I think that you should take the Quran in stride rather than ban or edit it. If you can't handle reading the quran without going crazy, just like the mullahs, then maybe unenlightened athiests and fanatic mullahs should both put the quran down and learn sum more
lajungesombre 5 months ago
@lajungesombre well somebody should edit it. it's the mullahs who are quoting the texts & going crazy on youtube.
nayanmalig 5 months ago
@nayanmalig how about nobody edits the Quran and instead we discuss and debate different interpretations of the Quran!
lajungesombre 5 months ago
@lajungesombre shall we discuss about cutting off of limbs?
nayanmalig 5 months ago
i don't think 911 was done by anyone from 'over there' but organized by people over here. an inside job. and i agree with what this guy opens up saying as well...
(BTW... this is not a comment about Sam Harris at all)
i don't agree the questioners final statement questioning whether we should undermine religious structures.
Liteboyiam 6 months ago in playlist The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens & Dennett
Again, the fat guy says: "Nothing would happen if the Yankees just went home".
(I guess he works for the Guardian.) If the US was any where near the imperial power these comfy, left-wing windbags claim it is, we would've been selling hot dogs in Mecca 50 years ago...If the attacks were by right- wing Christians instead of Muslims, this politically correct windbag would be calling them Nazis and demanding action..what a dunce.
MikieDaC 6 months ago
What a long winded question.
dilwich123 6 months ago
That old guy is an appeaser and a conformist. He just doesn't understand the simple truth that traditional islam is totally incompatible with western culture. Those muslims who follow islam to the letter cannot live comfortably in our society; they had better move elsewhere.
But if a muslim is willing to "corrupt" themselves with our culture then good, please stay, you are welcome! This corruption has happened with our traditional religious instutions like churches etc ...
ksym 6 months ago 14
@ksym LOL haha 'our' culture? Go work in a sweatshop, or in a mine in Sierra Leone, or live in a refugee camp is Palestine. You're corporate culture is a laughable excuse for culture. Don't mix up corporate culture with genuine French, British, Arab, Indian, Chinese cultures.
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@ksym … you summed it up nicely! The problem, e.g. in Europe, is that islamic countries dump off the superfluous parts of their population – those that are uneducated, hardcore islamistic, often thoroughly inbred – into western societies where they breed and multiply like crazy while living off the welfare system and demanding that the indigeneous people cater to their stupid demands, e.g. they want their friggin' sharia law. Solution: let's put contraceptiva into their drinking water!
macmarine 5 months ago
@ksym So you are saying we cant live without terrorism ?
BatmanbinSuperman12 5 months ago
In a divided nation (western culture versus muslim culture) we DO NOT waste time on dialgue. Fuck dialogue. If a clear division has already happened, as per 9/11 etc, it is quite clear that those muslims who think our culture is SHIT should fuck off and move to middle-east. Simple.
You don't like your neighbors, neighbors are many, then move the fuck out. Don't make needless ruckus.
Fuck the conformist, their tolerance is poison.
ksym 6 months ago
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lajungesombre 6 months ago
The fastest and most effective way to combat extremism and religion is to educate people. Especially women. There is a direct correlation between intelligence and religion adherence.
daavq 6 months ago
@daavq educating self-indoctrinated third generation muslims is a waste of time. If some of them think our culture is crap, they will _never_ get rid of this notion. Better they fuck off than we bribe them.
ksym 6 months ago
@daavq hahahahahahahhaha wow. I LOVE religion, and i oppose religious organizations. There is a direct correlation between being a shit-talking westerner and irreligious sentiment. Hmm I wonder what it is. BTW, religion and science, religion and art, religion and culture and PERFECTLY compatible. Don't confuse AlQaeda with Islam
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre Most Muslims insist women wear cloth bags. Most Christians believe the bible is literal and the story of Genesis true, despite the mountain of scientific evidence to the contrary. AlQaeda is Islam, it's just one of it's many faces. If you told AlQaeda members they were not Muslims, they'd probably cut your head off.
daavq 6 months ago
@daavq LOL you are right, they probably would. But I still assert that they are not Muslim in anything but ritual and name. Their outlook is not conducive to religiosity: the search for truth. They behaviour is not conducive to religiosity: to act well towards truth. You say it is a face of Islam. Rather, Al Qaeda is a face of particular political, economic, historical grievances, development, and institutions. They may quote the Quran, but they sure as hell dont understand it
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre How can you say they don't understand it. Any religion whose principle tenet is, "This is the true religion and all others are bunk" is bound to produce this sort of extremism. Christians are the same. There is a reason the first commandment is "You shall have no other gods before me." It's because people are easier to control and dupe when they think they are in the special group. Education combats this notion of exclusivity.
daavq 6 months ago
@daavq I don't think you understand the Quran either. Let's also make the clear, the principle tenet of the Quran is "AQR" meaning to learn, discover, proclaim, study, discern. This is literally the first word, first verse of the Quran. The first verse is one word "iqra". Full stop exclamation mark. The Quran exhorts us to understand how we are in Being.....Buddhists, Heidegger, Sikhism all point to the same direction.
lajungesombre 6 months ago
@lajungesombre Explain to me then why there are so many Muslim suicide bombers? You don't hear of Buddhists blowing up markets. Muslims and Christians both believe theirs is the one true faith. And Muslims don't even agree amoungst themselves - Sunni on Shia violence is common. The Quran is nothing special, it is a book just like Harry Potter only written a lot earlier.
daavq 5 months ago
@daavq Well, firstly where do suicide bombs occur: Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, and Pakistan. This is essentially a political question. In Lebanon the first suicide bombings were against an American army barracks. In Palestine, the first suicide bombings occured in the 1980s. In Iraq, the first ones after 2003, ditto Pakistan. All four countries were either : invaded, occupied, or bombed. It doesn't justify this, but it contextualizes it.
lajungesombre 5 months ago
@lajungesombre
In case some dont really get this important thread.This terrorism is quite often but not always false flag events created by either the CIA or other groups wanting to keep the policy of occupying the Middle East. The demonisation of Muslims is just a cadish racial stirring created by propoganda from a controlling elite media. Bin Laden has been dead since maybe just befor 9 11. Libya: liberated tonight for he playing hard ball for oil pricing to the Rothschild/Rochafellas.
topcatoh 5 months ago
@topcatoh
Subscribe to conspiracy much???
JDillaDudas 5 months ago in playlist The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens & Dennett
There are a number of deluded people that spout "Coexisting". I say bullshit. I have no sympathy for Muslims, nor do I respect their religion. It would be a good thing to wipe them off the face of the earth.
ImmortalSpirit1 6 months ago
why the hell were they and are they so fucking silent and not condemning 911?
Crazy80563 6 months ago 9
@Crazy80563 islam is not compatible with western society. PERIOD.
Soundgarden8497 5 months ago 2
@Soundgarden8497 Agreed !!!
Crazy80563 5 months ago
@Crazy80563
Why the hell did you go and kill 2 million Muslims since 9/11 over 3000?
Reqrezentin 5 months ago
@Reqrezentin Why not? If you're going to kill 2000000 anything it really should be religious zealots if anything. And if they had the ability they'd have killed 10X that many non-Muslims at least. You doubt that? I've been to the Middle East. They are friggin' insane for the most part. No education, extremist religions, and so on.....that's a recipe for disaster. I say just nuke the whole damned ME, including Israel, and rid the world of the problems.
gvman3670 5 months ago
@gvman3670
You are sick.
Reqrezentin 5 months ago
@Reqrezentin Because they asked for my help.
Crazy80563 5 months ago
@Crazy80563
No, cause you are freaks that worship blood spilling. Talk about Islam all day, you got more blood on your hands than Islam will ever have.
Reqrezentin 5 months ago
@Reqrezentin well thank you, I feel honoured. But I am not about to turn myself in just yet as there are still more muslims roaming this planet. May I remind you that Muslims have killed more Muslims than I have but maybe some day I will catch up to them. In the meantime I smell shit so you may want to change your fucking diaper as there might be a Moham in there.
Crazy80563 5 months ago
@Crazy80563
Ah, the itchy hissy fit. you going crazy there eh, on the defence all of a sudden... Go off and fuck yourself.
Reqrezentin 5 months ago
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@Crazy80563
Ah, the itchy hissy fit. you going crazy there eh, on the defence all of a sudden... Go off and fuck yourself.
Reqrezentin 5 months ago
@Mrwilwak Tell it to Shakespeare mate...
JuanchoMan 6 months ago
@Mrwilwak Sam Harris is a scientist, and public debator, for many well respected college universities. I seriously doubt he takes petty jokes about his appearance, as personally or serious as you do.
jb4real14 6 months ago
As Christopher Hitchens points out, radical Muslims have been wreaking havoc in India for decades for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with America. Sunnis and Shia have been killing each other for 1000 years. If Islam went through an Enlightenment similar to what happened to Christianity, then we wouldn't be having this conversation...
johnclavis 6 months ago 2
@johnclavis an enblightenment requieres a progressive world view. the islamic world view is regressive, phantasising about a once great and perfect past which has to be restored. until that paradigm shifts, we can hope for the islamic enlightenment until kingdom come :D
robertgaudlitz 6 months ago