If China doesn't recognize Tibet, We Indians will carve out a State for our Tibetan brothers & sisters :)
Hopefully the Government would consider this, India is a land of Diversity, We would proudly have Tibetans as our people, But I hope it doesn't get to that.
Let's all fight for Tibetan's rights to be recognized and them being given back their Land of Tibet which China is trying to forcefully erase out of the map. It's really sad to see Tibetan Monks kill themselves for Freedom :(
@forgottenmemories63 worry about your own ass first. 200 million of indian Dalit caste is living in the most oppresive state of fedual caste loving india. 800 million of indian dont have access to toilets and cleaning infrastructure, 50,000 indian kids die from desease like diarrhea and food poisining. 50% of indian kids are suffering from malnutrition, India is the ONLY modern sate in 2012 that is still practicing feudal caste system hows that for truth hurts
@obsidianstatue India, Chinese or Tibetan brothers are no different to me, Every person is the same to me. True, India has lots of Poverty, Beggars, Corruption & Homeless people. But at least we don't pretend to hide it like Chinese which have all the same problems. :)
In the end, Truth and Justice prevails over Foolish Pride and Arrogance. The Whole world would eventually realize the Brutality of Communist Chinese, You can't hide it forever so better give Tibetans back their Stolen land ! :)
@forgottenmemories63 sure you dont pretend to hide it because all of the higher class indians dominate the politics they set the rules to oppress the 200 million dalits. in india you have a systematic problem of brainwashing young indians into this cult of hinduism where oppression of the lower class is encouraged, its too common that in indian schools kids of the lower caste clean the toilets used by upper caste and eat left overs, this is indoctorination of the evil cult of hindu to the core
@forgottenmemories63 in india you are poor is because you are born in the wrong caste the indian government which is dominated by the higher castes use the feudal medieval caste system of hinduism to make sure they stay in power and their caste benefit from oppressing the lower caste from birth to death. the brutality of indian government is worse than that of Nazis, atleast nazis kill their oppressed but in india you lock the dalits and their children up for slavery and live a miserable life
@forgottenmemories63 when you have 800 million indians deficaating in the open yet you worry about lazy ass tibetans who contributes SHIT to your country?? feed your own children before you indians claim to be superpower, abolish the caste system before you claim tobe denocracy.
@gorubhullar What the hell you mean? Whose country? India belongs to us,and it is our country not theirs!! Tibetans out of India, we don't want them here, if they have got balls, they should go and fight for their freedom, rather than sitting in our laps and creating a drama!!Arseholes!!!!!!!!!
@MusceledVikram listen bro..they r living in india for more than 60 years understand now they deserve citizen of this country..im not supporting them for fight against china...but they have three generations born in india....i love my country but i hate some guys like u who hate other communties
@gorubhullar Look Gary, you hardly know me to hate me & as far as Tibetans are concerned, I wish they live here but I want them to take their land back from China, I don't hate them, but was angry yesterday. So, I might have gone overboard, I am from Shimla and live in Chandigarh. I know them very well but just imagine; would they have allowed us to live in Tibet, if we were in their place? And yes, they are Indian now; since, one becomes the citizen of the nation, where one is born!
@MusceledVikram Hi Vikram, Every one in India wishes Tibetans get Tibet back. But the question is how can they? By armed struggle or by peaceful ways? See as an Indian I cant ask Tibetan to fight against mighty China when I know India cant get half of Kashmir back from Pakistan which is much smaller than India. And certainly some part of Kashmir is occupied by China gifted by Pakistan. Asking Tibetans to fight China is like asking them to suicide. So what we can do for Tibetans?
@ 5 July 2011 – 98,074,938 quit the communist party since Dec. 2004.
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So that's 572,915 in 10 days or 57,291 quitting per day. There could be a party at my place when it reaches 100 million, which will be 24 days after 15 July by my calculations.
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There is NO chance of the backward CCP being able to sustain that level of loss !!!
What can India do for Tibetans is accept them if we really feel for their pain & struggle. India anyways is not a land full of ethnic Indians. Is it? We accepted Zoroastrians from Iran escaping the prosecution by Islamic tyrants. We accepted millions of Bangladeshis escaping Pakistani Brutality and we didn't throw out Mughals when we got freedom, instead we declared India as secular. So cant we accept peace loving Tibetans also as part of us & provide them a life with dignity in India?
Systematic use of torture, no freedom of religion or freedom of expression. Ethnic minorities have testified to the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
· I am often asked whether I truly believe this. The answer is not simple to give because my brain, which is not connected to my mouth, has slowed and my thoughts have become muddled. But as a 8 year old, although I am 75, when I consider my experience during this present life, and given my separatist beliefs, I have no difficulty accepting that I am spiritually, ideologically, and most probably genetically connected both to the US secret service and the US ruling clique of genocidal killers.
@EkaterinaRukovskaya God king is a Western created phrase because westerners can't comprehend the relationship between the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama. Nor can they equate his spiritual and political place to anything in western governments. Probably the closest equation would be that the Dalai Lama is equivalent to a reincarnated Jesus Christ working in the Oval Office.
For all Tibetans and Tibetan supporters in India. India wont be a paradise to you any more. You had shown your true colors. illegal money laundering, land scam, spying.. Lead by your great SPIRITUAL LEADER. Leave India voluntarily before you are kicked out.
yes Tibetans are welcomed in my country India..A great Country is not build by the amount of land but by there peoples. Chinese are living in shythole without any democracy.
There is no so-called democracy all over the world,only benefit. Harry Reid called Chinese President Hu Jintao is a "Dictator" In a televised interview, but when a journalist asked Harry how to explain"Dictator" at state dinner with Hu, what he did just pretend to hear nothing.
when Julian Assange wanted to tell people the details of U.S. military and diplomatic policy, he was arrested by police.
It is confirmed that the Tibetan monks in the name of exile are actually working for Chinese. The recent unearthing of millions of foreign currencies (including 1.4 mn Chinese Yuan) from Tibetan monastery in Himachal pradesh in India had shown the true colors of these protesters. The money was found from the Karmapa Lamas office. They are involved in Spying for Chinese,money laundering, illegal land deals,funding for north east terrorists.Tibetans should be thrown out of India immediately.
The burning man is a sample what awaits many humans after their torturing others, days are over. See carefuly because this is karmic action. Action seems bad or misleading self torture but motivation is important. His motivation was very pure and compassionate although decision very brave and courageous has small impact on the world. First get enlightenment, then teach others correct Way. No need to self torture and extreme action of violence. Open eyes and see. Open ears and hear. Then you are.
Some exiles are a bit more dangerous than CCP and Shugden practioners. They began to question and compare Dalai Lama and democracy...Dalai Lama's retirement may link to those debates. It seems the independence is not the top priority...Exiles in EU are protesting with Chinese against CCP, but Dalai Lama's representatives didn't attend.
I don't get why some of the Tibetans are so close-minded in the sense that they always find a need to preserve their own culture. It's the year 2010, for heaven's sake! It's time to embrace equality in all aspects and it's time to modernise or be left behind as savages. I think cultures are just one of the ways to separate us. China is right for modernising Tibet, with new hospitals, schools and railways and not depend on Tibetan magic to do the work for them.
@Graymoths I read my comment again and I'd like to clarify it. Pro-TIbetan protesters should understand that preserving a culture is not a reason to kill or hurt.
@Graymoths SHITED ON THE TOPIC : " China ís right for modernising Tibet, with new hospitals, schools and raiways and not depend on tibetan magic to do the work for them " ANSWER : CHINA IS NOT MODERNISING ANYTHING SUPRESSING THE TIBETAN PEOPLE IN THEYR ON COUNTRY THAT WAS INVADED AND DESTROYED BY THE SAVAGE CHINESE COMUNIST FUNDAMENTALISMT. TIBET BELONGS TO THE TIBETANS AND NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TORTURE AND KILL THEM TO STEAL THEYR LAND FOR PROFITTING WITH THEYR NATURAL RESOURCES !
@tarashiva I have one thing to say to you - Get your cap locks fixed. Honestly, I don't even want to take the effort to argue with you, seeing that you're brainwashed by the media. Go on and join the bandwagon. You'll soon realize your efforts are done in vain.
@GraymothsSHITED ON THE TOPIC : " I don't even want to take de effort to argue with you, seeing that you're brainwashed " RESP.: YOUR STATEMENT IS FOR TO GET SOME LAUGHING ? OK....I WILL LAUGH TO LET YOU HAPPY : HA, HA, HA, ...DID YOU LIKE ? BRAINWASHED IS YOUR MENTAL CONDITION, DON'T PROJECT WHO YOU ARE ON ME ! I AM NOT YOUR IMAGE ON THE MIRROR !
@Graymoths So equality for you means on country to take over another country and forcefully deny its identity which is its thousand year culture. Forcing equality is pointless. Equality can only rise from a mutual acceptance of identity and a willingness to co-exist in peace.
@johndoe2473 Then how do you define "equality"? With that definition of "equality" you're just ignorant towards the fact that many different civilizations occupy their surrounding areas. It's normal. Look at what happened to the Native Americans and the Australian Aborigines. Keep in mind that the "Chinese" in itself is actually a collection of different cultural identities, such as the Yue peoples and the Manchurians aswell. Tibetans are no exception.
For those who have not lived under opression, not suffered persecution and violence because of political or religious ideas, it is difficult to understand the wish of the people of Tibet to be free . Just remember that the U.S.was born out of the search for religious freedom. Remember also that modernization is not always a good thing. Our civilized world is guilty of countles crimes against humanity. Diversity is good because if brings values. Empires that forgot this perished.
You cowardly Tibetans. Don't expect the world to save your ass, do something about it. Look at Israel. They didn't depend on the help of the world to save themselves, they established their own state and defeated their enemies. The next fifty years will be crucial for the Tibetans, either it will achieve statehood or become absorbed into China forever.
please try to be precise rather than narrating whatever u feel is right........it gives a vague picture n even more it deviatesfrom the actual truth....giving a false impression n painting with delusionary reality
@yolsub31 n also lets start talking about the majority of the people that comprise of 90% population rather than ephasizing on those that represent less than 10%
U.N living index confirmed, Modern Tebit today is no longer slave 95% of tebetants under Lama
China invested 400 billion yuen from 2001 to 2009 period to help developping Tebit, A 5 years, US $1 billion to built heaven rail road, (4,000 meters from sea level)
New leader Panchen Lama is very smart, highest rank even than Dailai Lama
Use your basic common sense and judgement, one side story can easily fool 1000's, Think first when u heard this nonsense
@fdoca Same goes for my friend. I know what you're saying, but the Chinese vision of "improvement" doesn't necessarily have to be what the original Tibetan people need. The Chinese government is very good in concealing their true actions and intentions for the world.
To learn about slavery in 2010 learn about China and the fact that there is no minimum wage there and maximum working hours aren't enforced by the communist party.
Be aware of that when you buy goods that are made in China
Free China from Slavery in 2010
Free Tibet from being the largest PRISON in the World in 2010
Tibetans are so backwards! They're religious fanatics and fundamentalist. From what I can see tibetan buddhism is more like hinduism complete with caste and slavery! It's only fitting that the dalai lama and his exiles live in Dharamsala India!
@caonimazazhongtoushu To learn about Slavery in China and Tibet in 2010 visit Harry Wu’s laogai museum. * Harry Wu's Laogai museum in Washington DC in the US. * The Laogai Museum is open from 9am-5pm, Monday-Friday, and Saturdays by appointment. You can see pictures of it at laogaimuseum. org/aboutmuseum.htm (remove space) * Nice work Harry Wu ! * Harry Wu for a PEACE Prize !!!
The most recent video showing the BBC being taken on an escorted visit in Tibet is most revealing. Watch carefully and see how Tibetans live on a daily basis under communist party rule.
The reason the Tibetan government was so poor when the Chinese ''Liberated'' it was because the were forced into labor by Chinese communism. after the Chinese did this to them then they decided to take over their country.
@2101silverstein so everyone that escaped torture or have been torture on video are really clones? or fake humans or robots perhaps? you fucking imbecile.
Search Google and pass the top link on. BBC just given rare escort through Tibet. Their video is very revealing. Search: 14 July 2010 BBC given rare tour of Tibet
Beautiful scenes of celebration of His Holiness birthday Just go to the BBC homepage.
Tashi Delek to all brothers & sisters, Tibetans Westerners Chinese and all, in this special moment of happiness for His Holiness and surviving Tibetan people.
As an Indian I want you fucking tibetan bums to get out of my country, this is not your home....I dont care if the chinese anally electrocute you....
YOU aliens are not even Indian, why for fucks sake are YOU getting our Govt's benefits....why is it that the Srilankan Tamils WHO ARE ETHNICALLY OF INDIAN ORIGIN not even being granted a basic RESIDENCE inside India?
@vnaadhan lol the tibetans in india receive little to no benefits in india, most of the aid comes from us n europe.Tibs born in india r not given citizenship, they are classified as refugees lol benefits.india needs these tibs for future conflict against china,you heard of so called special tibetan border guards?.just cause the sinhalese buddhists fuck'd up ur tamil brothers dont pour ur hate on tib buddhists, blowing up rajiv gandhi with a sucide bomber didnt rlly help their cause either PCE.
Most NKT people make a promise and are given robes. They are not actually ordained. Hence the NKT saying they have not broken their ordination vows by the demos.
Most do not even know what their different levels of robes mean or represent. To them it is just a uniform KG gives his foot soldiers to wear.
It is just something you wear to please KG so you are under his mind control.
"If one chooses to fly in the face of all the reasoning and still get involved in this form of worship, there is nothing that anyone can do about it. Whatever form of spirit worship one wants to do, it is up to oneself. Even if one chooses to close one's eyes to the evidence, without caring about the results of one's actions, I can do nothing about it. It is like the words, "I, Kachei Palu, have disclosed my secrets here, but whether you choose to listen or not is up to you". HHDL 6 DEC 2000
There has to be something wrong from their side when they stress so much this forging of a relationship, but you can't actually meet Gyatso and talk to him! At Samye Ling, which I visited often at one time, the lamas came down to the kitchen and had a coffee quite often with the residents. Other groups I have been to their top brass is approachable at most reasonable times. KG is a recluse and the people around him are sycophants.
HH the Dalai Lama's Advice Concerning Dolgyal (Shugden)
Following long and careful investigations, HH the Dalai Lama strongly discourages Tibetan Buddhists from propitiating the fierce spirit known as Dolgyal (Shugden).
Although he once practised Dolgyal propitiation himself, His Holiness renounced the practice in 1975 after discovering the profound historical, social and religious problems associated with it.
You could be born back in to a country you dislike or become your own enemy. Just imagine you are born into your enemy's family, your father and mother are the very people you dislike now. Then what???
Everything changes and you wouldn't even remember it! How much you dislike "you" in your past. Hence I'd rather promote Dorje Shugden who can guide you to your next rebirth and spread the teachings of Lama Tsongkhapa.
Somehow I think promoting Dorje Shugden and at the same time trusting that HHDL has a "Bigger picture" for the benefit of everyone seems more positive then to protest negatively on the impermanence of samsara be it your race, country or state of being. Becuase in a blink of an eye your life could end and nothing would really matter except where and how you proceed to the next life.
@ChinaKillsTibetans Sorry but I'm not here to scream about politics. Not interested in that but more interested in Dharma.
And Dorje Shugden is a Dharma protector that has helped many. Saved some of our lives and pull us out from some of the most difficult situation. He is a Dharma protector with no biasness. If you like you can go to this site dorjeshugden(dot)com for a more objective, informative, and history on DS . It's a good one.
Ever since HH started the BAN look how much media coverage and global awareness has been created all talking about Dorje Shugden. It has even triggered for him to go to court and don't you think someone like HHDL wldn't know the consequences of His actions???
How can anything negative produce positive results? It just doesn't make any sense.
Like how can HHDL a compassionate being, Buddha of Compassion produce any negative results? HHDL is only using skillful means to produce the results which is Dorje Shugden becoming more n more famous.
I guess you'd have to believe in laws of cause and effect and the Buddha who has taught this to be able to comprehend what I am saying.
This is not a Dorje Shugden site but you mentioned that Shugden don't care about the big picture? Which I can say you are very wrong because although so many negative things have been said abt Dorje Shugden, it's amazing the opposite result is happening. DS is growing faster and stronger with more ppl standing up, monasteries flourishing and new ppl learning.
The only way we can avoid bad situations from happening to us is if we truly believe in "karma" and choose to act the opposite instead of reacting.
What good have anger and revenge ever came to anyone. All who have conquered or is conquered will past and history is all that remains. But repeating history with the same negative actions will surely cause more destruction then peace.
If you plant a lemon tree, don't expect an apple tree. If you want peace & freedom then give it to others first.
Buddhism does not belong to Tibet only. Buddha was not Tibetan. He taught Buddhism for all sentient beings. Even Mara. So Buddhist practice is for Everyone even China - a country that used to practice Je Tsonkhapa's teachings so truthfully as you can see His statue at Yong He Gong! They were once a rich Buddhist nation.
Although it has been suppressed, perhaps it's time to revive Dharma again
If I remembered clearly the history of Buddhism is from INDIA! Not China nor Tibet! Get your Facts right please! It is Lama Atisha who came from India to spread the Dharma in Tibet and Padmasambhava is also NOT TIBETAN but an Indian sage Guru. So please remember where it is originally from. Tibet was literally a "barbaric" land with No Dharma up until these Gurus appeared.
@TheMightyGuri - What is different about Tibetan or rather Vajrayana Buddhism besides the fact that it has been well preserved by Tibetan Lamas?
It all still steam from Buddha Shakyamuni?
Please do enlightened us instead of just putting people down.
Never the less Buddhism main basis in any school is love and compassion. This I some how do not see happening withing your own community, you own people.
It is only called Tibetan Buddhism because of your country have preserved the vajrayana teachings well and have produced great masters. At the end of the day the teachings all came from Shakyamuni la. And DUH he ain't Tibetan love!
Isn't it enough that the Tibetans suffers from being refugees in other country? Now the group doing Shugden practice is further ostracised. What a difficult life!
Five years since leaving the cult, and I still haven't been able to put together a modicum of daily practice. I know the NKT does not have ownership over the Dharma, but I find it a lot harder to practice without the support. I find it a lot harder to practice without the benefit of receiving teachings. There is nothing in my area for meditation centers OTHER THAN THE FREAKIN' NKT! They're everywhere, in disguise. All the websites of their local centers are like "meditationin______ dot orrg."
It should be made clear that Shugen worship itself violates religious freedom, because Shugden does not allow followers to practice other schools than the "pure Gelug school". Those who practice other schools "mix the pure doctrine" and will be killed for that "crime" by the deity Dorje Shugden, or they will at least be punished by a terrible sickness and finally die a horrible death.
YES he is. HHDL is making Dorje Shugden famous with this BAN.
BAd Publicity is still Publicity man.
Look at serpom manastery's website. Look at all the DS monasteries around the world growing and flourishing. And thanks to the Ban Dorje Shugden is on everyone's lips, even yours and they just can't shut up about it.
Yes Freedom to Falun Gong, Tibet, China EVERYONE. May Dharma be spread everywhere.
Perhaps things will start changing internally when the people apply pure Dharma in their minds, opening the path to external change. Karmapa Lama could be the fresh start for Tibetan people, not to regain the nation (at least for the beginning) but to regain their spirituality. As the minds are cleansed of the pain and suffering, positive karma will arise and this could lead to the eventual freedom of Tibet.
@leedhi It's true. The future leaders like Karmapa might just lift the ban because it doesn't make sense. Especially the part about harming Dalai Lama. How can a BUDDHIST protector practice harm Avalokiteshvara?
The loss of Tibet is very sad and it has caused great suffering to many, especially Tibetans. However, will gearing up for another war and fight end the suffering or add to it? In a worldly mind, it matters is our country is independent or not. However, in a Dharmic mind, it is happiness and end to suffering that matters. Freedom is in the mind and not limited to the sovereignty of the nation.
@leedhi Very much agree & You have good points! Freedom is all in the MIND. Without forgiveness and letting go, we cannot move on and that has been one of the greatest teachings by HHDL himself. HH has also let go of the "Independent Tibet" mantra and instead asking for spiritual autonomy. So wouldn't it be fair for Shugden practitioners to have been also requesting this from HH?
Dharma Protectors main functions are to protect Buddhadharma, clear obstacles that prevent practitioners from their spiritual realizations, and to arrange all necessary conditions for their practice.
There are many Dharma Protectors but the emphasis now is on Dorje Shugden.
@ChinaKillsTibetans I am sorry most to most I can do is to pray for them. Sorry to say but it is their karma. What they have done in their previous life is what caused them to experience what they experience in this life even though they were good people.
With accepting karma we can forgive and move on.
There is this saying that "you become what you don't forgive". Forgiveness is the only protection anyone really has.
@ChinaKillsTibetans I did not say it's everyone did I? Obviously there are some who suffered, suffering now n some may be fine with their lives. Not everyone has the same karma & experience. If ur whole nation 100% are all suffering then according to Lord Buddha, it's a group "karma" effect.
E.g. a group of ppl travel together on air & the plane crashes. Everyone in d plane died. They died together, meaning their karma all ripened at the same time for them to be in that situation.
@ChinaKillsTibetans Do you believe in previous life? If you like HH the 14th Dalai Lama...well then you must agree there was the previous Dalai Lamas as well. And this means there is a previous life. So if you have a previous life, you have previous life karma too, get it???
So do you think Tibetans have no previous life karma?
Just like any well planned marketing strategy, Dorje Shugden is only waiting for the right time to make his entrance a timing so well executed that his practice will be spread far and wide. It is going to garner more practitioners. Dorje Shugdens family will grow.
We must be grateful and not forget how Tibetan Lamas have held their vows purely that today, we have Tibetan Buddhism available to us in its pure form. There are many ways of looking at the political situation affecting Tibet. I do not wish harm on anyone and pray that sufferings will end.One of the ways, of course is to apply the Buddhist teachings into our minds. May people heal from the hurts.
Amazing thing is that we will have a new era in buddhism where what was once hidden to the west will be practiced by the west. Imagine 500years from now the stories we are reading from the past your milarepas, naropas etc. will become sanchez, embeki mugadish, or joe smith. Todays practitioners will be tomorrows attained masters.
I hope Tibetan exiles recognise this fact. What appears to be negative can turn out to be positive in the long run. Who can say whether the issue of having two Karmapas is ultimately positive or negative? Likewise, the issue surrounding the issue of the protector Shugden. Read this, it will blow your mind tinyurl [.] com [/] ybwnwvn
The main reason why Buddhism has spread all over the west is because of the fall of Tibet. No choice but for the lamas to settle in different parts of the world and do what they have returned lifetime after lifetime to do.. which is to turn the wheel of Dharma. The fall of Tibet was unfortunate for the Tibetans but for the rest of the world it is a blessing in disguise.
Just like ancient India, real Buddhist practice will disappear from Tibet and will spread all over the world. Hence, it will require a very powerful protective force. His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been instrumental so far but he too will pass. Hence, there is a saying that an up and coming protective deity, emanation of Manjushri who is very effective to aid practitioners. However there is a controversy sparked by the Dalai Lama. Do read on dorjeshugden(dot)com....
The truth is that YOU want to free the Tibetans from the Dalai Lama. You want to split the exile community and undermine his authority. But the Tibetans do not agree with you! This is POLITICS.
If Tibet is a Democratic country ... then what's the big issue in practicing Dorje Shugden??? In any free democratic country today, people are allowed to practice whatever they wish. This is the first time in any so called "democratic" country have the world heard of a religious ban and discrimination!
I like HH the Dalai Lama and respect him very deeply for making Tibetan Buddhism popular around the world! But I cannot and will not support the Ban of Dorje Shugden as it would mean throwing away a practice that's been passed down from my teacher and that would mean breaking my Guru samaya. Isnt that more important than political agendas?
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purpleaster - yes, also it doesn't make sense to say that DS is a spirit who will bring you to hell etc. How is that possible?! The high lamas who were renowned DS practitioners are all back - their unmistaken reincarnations are back and were even recognised by the dalai Lama himself!
Proclaiming Dorje Shugden an evil spirit denies more than two hundred acclaimed Tibetan Buddhist masters — not counting their tens of thousands of disciples — their religious qualifications. From Wikipedia. It is also said that how one sees Dorje Shugden is depended on ones mind ... see dorje shugden (dot) com
Notice how, the anti-Dalai Lama videos, many of the people who first "stopped by the video," their accounts are closed now. That because when the video began, YouTube was open in China but soon after it close, their acct was closed also.
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Duo Zhi Shu Den go go GO, we support you hudnreds percent! Thank you! you can protect China of the evil Daliar shit lama. Dun believe the Tibetan filth. only look at Duo Zhi Shu Den. did you know shit Dalai is violent, that's why we call "da lai" means "big scabies." please ask Duo Zhi protect you from liar Big Scab, thank you.
@ DS MILLIONS killed under chairman Mao's rule in the PRC is estimated at 65 The Black Book of Communism 70+ Mao: The Unknown Story 77 RJ Rummel FREE Tibet FREE East Turkestan FREE South Mongolia FREE Falun Gong and FREE China
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I love Dorje Shugden he has helped me and my family tremendously! He gives protection, freedom and comfort, help to those who needs it. He gives unconditionally despite your race or religion because he is Buddha Manjushri!
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regardless of what race we are, what culture we are from - underneath our skin, we are all the same - blood and flesh. Isn't it easier to live in peace and harmony than in conflict? May the Holy Dorje Shugden bring peace to every country and every home. Read more here dorjeshugden (dot) com.
we indians r proud to have tibitian in our home its not only our home its the home of tibitiens to...... n all those who belive in hh dalai lama n the concept of the god is one
india will always stand for the free tibet policy as we have done in last 50yr's
fuck u noodles chines basted
living under comunist mother fuckers where thr's no freedom to speach, to work n to have babys also.....
ass hole just too buz in fucking n producing monkey face kids...
If the Tibetan government in exile is democratic then how come the dalai lama is still the leader after 50+ years. I also don't recall there being an election to elect a dalai lama either. Democracy, no..........Democrazy, yes!!!!
HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet.
1992
HH the Dalai Lama initiated a number of additional major democratic steps, including the direct elections of Kalons (Ministers) by the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies and the establishment of a judiciary branch. Previously Kalons appointed directly by His Holiness.
2001
The first direct democratic elections were held by the Tibetan people for the post of Kalon Tripa (Senior Minister) in the history of Tibet
"HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet."...yeah with him at the top. What do you call a country with a religious figure running the country??? A THEOCRACY!!! Tibetan exiles government is a DEMOCRAZY!!!
On September 5, 2001, Samdhong Lobsang Tenzin Rinpoche, was elected Prime Minister of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile.
One of Samdhong Rinpoche's first actions after taking the oath of office was to request that the Dalai Lama not transfer all of his executive responsibilities to the new democratically elected Kashag Chairperson and the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies.
Rinpoche asked the Dalai Lama "to continue to exercise his traditional administrative responsibilities in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the Tibetans in Exile... I trust HH will consider my request with loving-kindness."
So basically the people elected a president to represent them and he then gives all his power away to a monk! What the hell do you expect from Rinpoche, he's a theocratic supporter! Tibet will always be a theocracy under the dalai lama and his hindu/buddism elites....deal with it! Fuck you asshole for supporting theocratic rule in this day and age. You're a millennium too late. Now get the fuck out of here!
HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet.
1992
HH the Dalai Lama initiated a number of additional major democratic steps, including the direct elections of Kalons (Ministers) by the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies and the establishment of a judiciary branch. Previously Kalons appointed directly by His Holiness.
Every time I see people set themself on fire...I get depressed. Couldn't they warn they would show him on fire...damn.
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If China doesn't recognize Tibet, We Indians will carve out a State for our Tibetan brothers & sisters :)
Hopefully the Government would consider this, India is a land of Diversity, We would proudly have Tibetans as our people, But I hope it doesn't get to that.
Let's all fight for Tibetan's rights to be recognized and them being given back their Land of Tibet which China is trying to forcefully erase out of the map. It's really sad to see Tibetan Monks kill themselves for Freedom :(
forgottenmemories63 2 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 haha dirty indians
obsidianstatue 3 weeks ago
@obsidianstatue I don't wish to use such Nasty language like you but I guess the Truth offends you :)
forgottenmemories63 3 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 worry about your own ass first. 200 million of indian Dalit caste is living in the most oppresive state of fedual caste loving india. 800 million of indian dont have access to toilets and cleaning infrastructure, 50,000 indian kids die from desease like diarrhea and food poisining. 50% of indian kids are suffering from malnutrition, India is the ONLY modern sate in 2012 that is still practicing feudal caste system hows that for truth hurts
obsidianstatue 3 weeks ago
@obsidianstatue India, Chinese or Tibetan brothers are no different to me, Every person is the same to me. True, India has lots of Poverty, Beggars, Corruption & Homeless people. But at least we don't pretend to hide it like Chinese which have all the same problems. :)
In the end, Truth and Justice prevails over Foolish Pride and Arrogance. The Whole world would eventually realize the Brutality of Communist Chinese, You can't hide it forever so better give Tibetans back their Stolen land ! :)
forgottenmemories63 3 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 sure you dont pretend to hide it because all of the higher class indians dominate the politics they set the rules to oppress the 200 million dalits. in india you have a systematic problem of brainwashing young indians into this cult of hinduism where oppression of the lower class is encouraged, its too common that in indian schools kids of the lower caste clean the toilets used by upper caste and eat left overs, this is indoctorination of the evil cult of hindu to the core
obsidianstatue 3 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 in india you are poor is because you are born in the wrong caste the indian government which is dominated by the higher castes use the feudal medieval caste system of hinduism to make sure they stay in power and their caste benefit from oppressing the lower caste from birth to death. the brutality of indian government is worse than that of Nazis, atleast nazis kill their oppressed but in india you lock the dalits and their children up for slavery and live a miserable life
obsidianstatue 3 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 when you have 800 million indians deficaating in the open yet you worry about lazy ass tibetans who contributes SHIT to your country?? feed your own children before you indians claim to be superpower, abolish the caste system before you claim tobe denocracy.
obsidianstatue 3 weeks ago
dont worry you are our guest you are spiritual people we give you hospititality !!!!!!
ankurhotdude1987 5 months ago
luv u guys always in india..this is also ur country..love from a sikh brother
gorubhullar 7 months ago
@gorubhullar What the hell you mean? Whose country? India belongs to us,and it is our country not theirs!! Tibetans out of India, we don't want them here, if they have got balls, they should go and fight for their freedom, rather than sitting in our laps and creating a drama!!Arseholes!!!!!!!!!
MusceledVikram 6 months ago
@MusceledVikram listen bro..they r living in india for more than 60 years understand now they deserve citizen of this country..im not supporting them for fight against china...but they have three generations born in india....i love my country but i hate some guys like u who hate other communties
gorubhullar 6 months ago
@gorubhullar Look Gary, you hardly know me to hate me & as far as Tibetans are concerned, I wish they live here but I want them to take their land back from China, I don't hate them, but was angry yesterday. So, I might have gone overboard, I am from Shimla and live in Chandigarh. I know them very well but just imagine; would they have allowed us to live in Tibet, if we were in their place? And yes, they are Indian now; since, one becomes the citizen of the nation, where one is born!
MusceledVikram 6 months ago
@MusceledVikram well said brother
gorubhullar 6 months ago
@MusceledVikram Hi Vikram, Every one in India wishes Tibetans get Tibet back. But the question is how can they? By armed struggle or by peaceful ways? See as an Indian I cant ask Tibetan to fight against mighty China when I know India cant get half of Kashmir back from Pakistan which is much smaller than India. And certainly some part of Kashmir is occupied by China gifted by Pakistan. Asking Tibetans to fight China is like asking them to suicide. So what we can do for Tibetans?
BravadoBravo1 6 months ago
@ BravadoBravo1
The communist party is crumbling EVERY hour...
from quitccp. org (remove space)
@ 15 July 2011 - 98,647,853
@ 5 July 2011 – 98,074,938 quit the communist party since Dec. 2004.
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So that's 572,915 in 10 days or 57,291 quitting per day. There could be a party at my place when it reaches 100 million, which will be 24 days after 15 July by my calculations.
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There is NO chance of the backward CCP being able to sustain that level of loss !!!
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago 6
What can India do for Tibetans is accept them if we really feel for their pain & struggle. India anyways is not a land full of ethnic Indians. Is it? We accepted Zoroastrians from Iran escaping the prosecution by Islamic tyrants. We accepted millions of Bangladeshis escaping Pakistani Brutality and we didn't throw out Mughals when we got freedom, instead we declared India as secular. So cant we accept peace loving Tibetans also as part of us & provide them a life with dignity in India?
BravadoBravo1 6 months ago
China is going backwards
because China's environment is being wrecked at a faster rate than the economic growth, so in the long run its just another CCP disaster.
HumanRightsVideosT 7 months ago
Free Tibet from CCP invaders
HumanRightsVideosT 7 months ago
CCP is very evil and the largest organised crime gang on the planet
HumanRightsVideosT 7 months ago
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CCP = Chinese Communist Party
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Free Xinjiang
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Free South Mongolia
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Free Burma
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Free the West Bank
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Free North Korea
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Free Sudan
HumanRightsVideosT 7 months ago
Tibetans outside Tibet who support Human Rights for Tibet
might
like to favourite the excellent documentary "Dispatches Undercover in Tibet" on their channels.
FreeTibetandChina 8 months ago
@ clone of dorje168
Do you really believe that rubbish you copied off a lying communist party website ??
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The evil communists wrecked 6000+ Tibetan monasteries
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FREE Tibet and China from Cultural GENOCIDE
FreeTibetandChina 8 months ago
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Systematic use of torture, no freedom of religion or freedom of expression. Ethnic minorities have testified to the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
New Zealand cannot conceal the truth.
FREE New Zealand!
DrPorkEatShit 9 months ago
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· I am often asked whether I truly believe this. The answer is not simple to give because my brain, which is not connected to my mouth, has slowed and my thoughts have become muddled. But as a 8 year old, although I am 75, when I consider my experience during this present life, and given my separatist beliefs, I have no difficulty accepting that I am spiritually, ideologically, and most probably genetically connected both to the US secret service and the US ruling clique of genocidal killers.
XIVDALAILAMA 11 months ago
G-d King? Some funny religion....lol
EkaterinaRukovskaya 11 months ago
@EkaterinaRukovskaya God king is a Western created phrase because westerners can't comprehend the relationship between the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama. Nor can they equate his spiritual and political place to anything in western governments. Probably the closest equation would be that the Dalai Lama is equivalent to a reincarnated Jesus Christ working in the Oval Office.
RKungaChodron 10 months ago
For all Tibetans and Tibetan supporters in India. India wont be a paradise to you any more. You had shown your true colors. illegal money laundering, land scam, spying.. Lead by your great SPIRITUAL LEADER. Leave India voluntarily before you are kicked out.
gratewite 11 months ago
@gratewite
Unlike in the PRC, Tibetans are FREE in India
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
power is everything.
tiger9502 1 year ago
I pray that Tibet becomes an independent nation one day. Fuck you China!!
larcm3 1 year ago
@larcm3 we can fuck you a billion times more.
tiger9502 1 year ago
please establish free tibet in India,not in China.
FLYFRUIT 1 year ago
@FLYFRUIT
yes Tibetans are welcomed in my country India..A great Country is not build by the amount of land but by there peoples. Chinese are living in shythole without any democracy.
facout 1 year ago
There is no so-called democracy all over the world,only benefit. Harry Reid called Chinese President Hu Jintao is a "Dictator" In a televised interview, but when a journalist asked Harry how to explain"Dictator" at state dinner with Hu, what he did just pretend to hear nothing.
when Julian Assange wanted to tell people the details of U.S. military and diplomatic policy, he was arrested by police.
FLYFRUIT 1 year ago
It is confirmed that the Tibetan monks in the name of exile are actually working for Chinese. The recent unearthing of millions of foreign currencies (including 1.4 mn Chinese Yuan) from Tibetan monastery in Himachal pradesh in India had shown the true colors of these protesters. The money was found from the Karmapa Lamas office. They are involved in Spying for Chinese,money laundering, illegal land deals,funding for north east terrorists.Tibetans should be thrown out of India immediately.
gratewite 1 year ago
The burning man is a sample what awaits many humans after their torturing others, days are over. See carefuly because this is karmic action. Action seems bad or misleading self torture but motivation is important. His motivation was very pure and compassionate although decision very brave and courageous has small impact on the world. First get enlightenment, then teach others correct Way. No need to self torture and extreme action of violence. Open eyes and see. Open ears and hear. Then you are.
dtseringdorje 1 year ago
Please do not think that it's because of China.
This is Tibet people's karma.
First, you have to understand that.
And then, you will know what you have to do for your self.
This is the only one way to change !!
AoEHere 1 year ago
watch?v=c-_7sBcuyqA
Some exiles are a bit more dangerous than CCP and Shugden practioners. They began to question and compare Dalai Lama and democracy...Dalai Lama's retirement may link to those debates. It seems the independence is not the top priority...Exiles in EU are protesting with Chinese against CCP, but Dalai Lama's representatives didn't attend.
deriv108 1 year ago
I don't get why some of the Tibetans are so close-minded in the sense that they always find a need to preserve their own culture. It's the year 2010, for heaven's sake! It's time to embrace equality in all aspects and it's time to modernise or be left behind as savages. I think cultures are just one of the ways to separate us. China is right for modernising Tibet, with new hospitals, schools and railways and not depend on Tibetan magic to do the work for them.
Graymoths 1 year ago
@Graymoths I read my comment again and I'd like to clarify it. Pro-TIbetan protesters should understand that preserving a culture is not a reason to kill or hurt.
Graymoths 1 year ago
tarashiva 1 year ago 5
@tarashiva I have one thing to say to you - Get your cap locks fixed. Honestly, I don't even want to take the effort to argue with you, seeing that you're brainwashed by the media. Go on and join the bandwagon. You'll soon realize your efforts are done in vain.
Graymoths 1 year ago
tarashiva 1 year ago
@Graymoths So equality for you means on country to take over another country and forcefully deny its identity which is its thousand year culture. Forcing equality is pointless. Equality can only rise from a mutual acceptance of identity and a willingness to co-exist in peace.
johndoe2473 1 year ago
@johndoe2473 Then how do you define "equality"? With that definition of "equality" you're just ignorant towards the fact that many different civilizations occupy their surrounding areas. It's normal. Look at what happened to the Native Americans and the Australian Aborigines. Keep in mind that the "Chinese" in itself is actually a collection of different cultural identities, such as the Yue peoples and the Manchurians aswell. Tibetans are no exception.
Graymoths 1 year ago
@Graymoths
For those who have not lived under opression, not suffered persecution and violence because of political or religious ideas, it is difficult to understand the wish of the people of Tibet to be free . Just remember that the U.S.was born out of the search for religious freedom. Remember also that modernization is not always a good thing. Our civilized world is guilty of countles crimes against humanity. Diversity is good because if brings values. Empires that forgot this perished.
deadpoet50 1 year ago
@deadpoet50
Just remember the U.S is built up on the bones and blood of native indians and the ruthless slavary over the africans, before you fuck off!
naaookametoola 1 year ago
could someone please translate this video.
eastern2western 1 year ago
You cowardly Tibetans. Don't expect the world to save your ass, do something about it. Look at Israel. They didn't depend on the help of the world to save themselves, they established their own state and defeated their enemies. The next fifty years will be crucial for the Tibetans, either it will achieve statehood or become absorbed into China forever.
thewhitepumpkin 1 year ago
@thewhitepumpkin They already are. Such separatists views only exists in the minds of the Western media and those exiled.
Graymoths 1 year ago
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中国人是绝对不谢罪的民族。
从那样的理由，中文「对不起」是没有必要的言词。
中文美丽。可是，中国人不美丽。
肮脏的中国人，不使用美丽的中文是最好的策略。
悲哀的中国人因为轻视日本人的英语力，最好是你们全体人员说英语。
中国人是与美国人相似，傲慢，神讨厌的人种。
请在全世界做询问调查。「你喜欢中国和中国人吗？」
必定外国人应该回答「不是。我讨厌中国。我喜欢美国」。
要是与他国的领土夺去资源，中国人创立如何的行动。
他们，捏造南京大虐杀事件，对日本旁若无人。
sayo2012 1 year ago
please try to be precise rather than narrating whatever u feel is right........it gives a vague picture n even more it deviatesfrom the actual truth....giving a false impression n painting with delusionary reality
yolsub31 1 year ago
@yolsub31 n also lets start talking about the majority of the people that comprise of 90% population rather than ephasizing on those that represent less than 10%
yolsub31 1 year ago
U.N living index confirmed, Modern Tebit today is no longer slave 95% of tebetants under Lama
China invested 400 billion yuen from 2001 to 2009 period to help developping Tebit, A 5 years, US $1 billion to built heaven rail road, (4,000 meters from sea level)
New leader Panchen Lama is very smart, highest rank even than Dailai Lama
Use your basic common sense and judgement, one side story can easily fool 1000's, Think first when u heard this nonsense
fdoca 1 year ago
@fdoca Same goes for my friend. I know what you're saying, but the Chinese vision of "improvement" doesn't necessarily have to be what the original Tibetan people need. The Chinese government is very good in concealing their true actions and intentions for the world.
Pauleman1983 1 year ago
To learn about slavery in 2010 learn about China and the fact that there is no minimum wage there and maximum working hours aren't enforced by the communist party.
Be aware of that when you buy goods that are made in China
Free China from Slavery in 2010
Free Tibet from being the largest PRISON in the World in 2010
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
Tibetans are so backwards! They're religious fanatics and fundamentalist. From what I can see tibetan buddhism is more like hinduism complete with caste and slavery! It's only fitting that the dalai lama and his exiles live in Dharamsala India!
shinikita 1 year ago
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
@caonimazazhongtoushu
Tibetans have much more FREEDOM in India than Tibet (the largest PRISON in the world). That's why many Tibetans risk their lives escaping from Tibet.
Please watch
Escape from Tibet (2:46 minutes)
watch?v=1AedSjjH3LI
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
The most recent video showing the BBC being taken on an escorted visit in Tibet is most revealing. Watch carefully and see how Tibetans live on a daily basis under communist party rule.
Go to
bbc. co.uk/news/world-asia+pacific-10639713 (remove space)
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
The reason the Tibetan government was so poor when the Chinese ''Liberated'' it was because the were forced into labor by Chinese communism. after the Chinese did this to them then they decided to take over their country.
GitanoRenegado 1 year ago
@GitanoRenegado
You're just a pathetic piece of shit. What's sad is that you may actually believe the tibet shangri la Utopian society!
2101silverstein 1 year ago
@2101silverstein so everyone that escaped torture or have been torture on video are really clones? or fake humans or robots perhaps? you fucking imbecile.
GitanoRenegado 1 year ago
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@GitanoRenegado
Shut the fuck up you stupid theocratic supporting piece of shit. Now go get me some curry beef from India Mandeep!
2101silverstein 1 year ago
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Search Google and pass the top link on. BBC just given rare escort through Tibet. Their video is very revealing. Search: 14 July 2010 BBC given rare tour of Tibet
iamlumin 1 year ago
dont lesson to vnaadhan. Support Tibet 100%
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago
india will always support tibetan peoples.....
MrGarudan 1 year ago
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Beautiful scenes of celebration of His Holiness birthday Just go to the BBC homepage.
Tashi Delek to all brothers & sisters, Tibetans Westerners Chinese and all, in this special moment of happiness for His Holiness and surviving Tibetan people.
TibetHeart 1 year ago
When the communist party is gone tibetans will go back to Tibet.
Tibetans love Tibet, but not the communist party.
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
As an Indian I want you fucking tibetan bums to get out of my country, this is not your home....I dont care if the chinese anally electrocute you....
YOU aliens are not even Indian, why for fucks sake are YOU getting our Govt's benefits....why is it that the Srilankan Tamils WHO ARE ETHNICALLY OF INDIAN ORIGIN not even being granted a basic RESIDENCE inside India?
All i have to say is
FUCK OFF
vnaadhan 1 year ago
@vnaadhan lol the tibetans in india receive little to no benefits in india, most of the aid comes from us n europe.Tibs born in india r not given citizenship, they are classified as refugees lol benefits.india needs these tibs for future conflict against china,you heard of so called special tibetan border guards?.just cause the sinhalese buddhists fuck'd up ur tamil brothers dont pour ur hate on tib buddhists, blowing up rajiv gandhi with a sucide bomber didnt rlly help their cause either PCE.
hellraiserdarkloid 1 year ago
hey what about tibet being parat of India?
radiolaugh 1 year ago
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Chinese are the least popular people in this world.
All hate the Chinese. Whether in Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, Arabian countries, Europe, USA and now recently also in Africa.
Not because of beauty but because they have bad character.
Turfan369 1 year ago
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Tibet the land of great beholders,
Lost to slime from ccp vulvers,
Never will or ever will ,
except your killing raping torchering genocidal contraception pill
DrPork4freedom 1 year ago
Most NKT people make a promise and are given robes. They are not actually ordained. Hence the NKT saying they have not broken their ordination vows by the demos.
Most do not even know what their different levels of robes mean or represent. To them it is just a uniform KG gives his foot soldiers to wear.
It is just something you wear to please KG so you are under his mind control.
KG. KGB. WSS. SS.
NKTsurvivors 1 year ago
"If one chooses to fly in the face of all the reasoning and still get involved in this form of worship, there is nothing that anyone can do about it. Whatever form of spirit worship one wants to do, it is up to oneself. Even if one chooses to close one's eyes to the evidence, without caring about the results of one's actions, I can do nothing about it. It is like the words, "I, Kachei Palu, have disclosed my secrets here, but whether you choose to listen or not is up to you". HHDL 6 DEC 2000
vinayahoIder 1 year ago
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There has to be something wrong from their side when they stress so much this forging of a relationship, but you can't actually meet Gyatso and talk to him! At Samye Ling, which I visited often at one time, the lamas came down to the kitchen and had a coffee quite often with the residents. Other groups I have been to their top brass is approachable at most reasonable times. KG is a recluse and the people around him are sycophants.
vinayahoIder 1 year ago
HH the Dalai Lama's Advice Concerning Dolgyal (Shugden)
Following long and careful investigations, HH the Dalai Lama strongly discourages Tibetan Buddhists from propitiating the fierce spirit known as Dolgyal (Shugden).
Although he once practised Dolgyal propitiation himself, His Holiness renounced the practice in 1975 after discovering the profound historical, social and religious problems associated with it.
go to
dalailama. com/messages/dolgyal-shugden (remove space)
for more information
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago 2
You could be born back in to a country you dislike or become your own enemy. Just imagine you are born into your enemy's family, your father and mother are the very people you dislike now. Then what???
Everything changes and you wouldn't even remember it! How much you dislike "you" in your past. Hence I'd rather promote Dorje Shugden who can guide you to your next rebirth and spread the teachings of Lama Tsongkhapa.
Somehow It is far more worth it!
Home is where you lay your hat.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
Somehow I think promoting Dorje Shugden and at the same time trusting that HHDL has a "Bigger picture" for the benefit of everyone seems more positive then to protest negatively on the impermanence of samsara be it your race, country or state of being. Becuase in a blink of an eye your life could end and nothing would really matter except where and how you proceed to the next life.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
People who support the evil communist party often talk about Dorje Shugden.
go to
nktworld. org/index.htm (remove space)
and learn about Shugdens undermining the JUST Tibetan cause.
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans Sorry but I'm not here to scream about politics. Not interested in that but more interested in Dharma.
And Dorje Shugden is a Dharma protector that has helped many. Saved some of our lives and pull us out from some of the most difficult situation. He is a Dharma protector with no biasness. If you like you can go to this site dorjeshugden(dot)com for a more objective, informative, and history on DS . It's a good one.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
I suggest you find a video about Dharma then.
I would rather do Falun Gong exercises than visit a shugden site.
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Ever since HH started the BAN look how much media coverage and global awareness has been created all talking about Dorje Shugden. It has even triggered for him to go to court and don't you think someone like HHDL wldn't know the consequences of His actions???
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
How can anything negative produce positive results? It just doesn't make any sense.
Like how can HHDL a compassionate being, Buddha of Compassion produce any negative results? HHDL is only using skillful means to produce the results which is Dorje Shugden becoming more n more famous.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
I guess you'd have to believe in laws of cause and effect and the Buddha who has taught this to be able to comprehend what I am saying.
This is not a Dorje Shugden site but you mentioned that Shugden don't care about the big picture? Which I can say you are very wrong because although so many negative things have been said abt Dorje Shugden, it's amazing the opposite result is happening. DS is growing faster and stronger with more ppl standing up, monasteries flourishing and new ppl learning.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
The only way we can avoid bad situations from happening to us is if we truly believe in "karma" and choose to act the opposite instead of reacting.
What good have anger and revenge ever came to anyone. All who have conquered or is conquered will past and history is all that remains. But repeating history with the same negative actions will surely cause more destruction then peace.
If you plant a lemon tree, don't expect an apple tree. If you want peace & freedom then give it to others first.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
Buddhism does not belong to Tibet only. Buddha was not Tibetan. He taught Buddhism for all sentient beings. Even Mara. So Buddhist practice is for Everyone even China - a country that used to practice Je Tsonkhapa's teachings so truthfully as you can see His statue at Yong He Gong! They were once a rich Buddhist nation.
Although it has been suppressed, perhaps it's time to revive Dharma again
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
@dragonthunder2010
buddhism in tibet is not like buddhism in china or in india
its tibetan buddhism
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
If I remembered clearly the history of Buddhism is from INDIA! Not China nor Tibet! Get your Facts right please! It is Lama Atisha who came from India to spread the Dharma in Tibet and Padmasambhava is also NOT TIBETAN but an Indian sage Guru. So please remember where it is originally from. Tibet was literally a "barbaric" land with No Dharma up until these Gurus appeared.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
@dragonthunder2010
"If I remembered clearly the history of Buddhism is from INDIA! Not China nor Tibet! Get your Facts right please!"
i DIDNT say anything else
tibetan buddhism is still DIFFERENT
-.- get YOUR facts right
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri - What is different about Tibetan or rather Vajrayana Buddhism besides the fact that it has been well preserved by Tibetan Lamas?
It all still steam from Buddha Shakyamuni?
Please do enlightened us instead of just putting people down.
Never the less Buddhism main basis in any school is love and compassion. This I some how do not see happening withing your own community, you own people.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
It is only called Tibetan Buddhism because of your country have preserved the vajrayana teachings well and have produced great masters. At the end of the day the teachings all came from Shakyamuni la. And DUH he ain't Tibetan love!
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
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Isn't it enough that the Tibetans suffers from being refugees in other country? Now the group doing Shugden practice is further ostracised. What a difficult life!
pathseeker9 1 year ago
The EVIL communist party is the largest CRIMINAL organisation in the World.
DEMOCRACY for Tibet and China
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Five years since leaving the cult, and I still haven't been able to put together a modicum of daily practice. I know the NKT does not have ownership over the Dharma, but I find it a lot harder to practice without the support. I find it a lot harder to practice without the benefit of receiving teachings. There is nothing in my area for meditation centers OTHER THAN THE FREAKIN' NKT! They're everywhere, in disguise. All the websites of their local centers are like "meditationin______ dot orrg."
NKTsurvivors 1 year ago
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It should be made clear that Shugen worship itself violates religious freedom, because Shugden does not allow followers to practice other schools than the "pure Gelug school". Those who practice other schools "mix the pure doctrine" and will be killed for that "crime" by the deity Dorje Shugden, or they will at least be punished by a terrible sickness and finally die a horrible death.
cIoserelative 1 year ago
Or perhaps instead the Panchen Lama. In all honesty I don't believe anyone but the Panchen Lama Gyancain is capable of leading Tibet.
Ieedhi 1 year ago
HHDL is a smart guy
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans
YES he is. HHDL is making Dorje Shugden famous with this BAN.
BAd Publicity is still Publicity man.
Look at serpom manastery's website. Look at all the DS monasteries around the world growing and flourishing. And thanks to the Ban Dorje Shugden is on everyone's lips, even yours and they just can't shut up about it.
Yes Freedom to Falun Gong, Tibet, China EVERYONE. May Dharma be spread everywhere.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
@dragonthunder2010
You are more concerned about promoting DS than the bigger picture.
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Perhaps things will start changing internally when the people apply pure Dharma in their minds, opening the path to external change. Karmapa Lama could be the fresh start for Tibetan people, not to regain the nation (at least for the beginning) but to regain their spirituality. As the minds are cleansed of the pain and suffering, positive karma will arise and this could lead to the eventual freedom of Tibet.
leedhi 1 year ago
@leedhi It's true. The future leaders like Karmapa might just lift the ban because it doesn't make sense. Especially the part about harming Dalai Lama. How can a BUDDHIST protector practice harm Avalokiteshvara?
pathseeker9 1 year ago
The loss of Tibet is very sad and it has caused great suffering to many, especially Tibetans. However, will gearing up for another war and fight end the suffering or add to it? In a worldly mind, it matters is our country is independent or not. However, in a Dharmic mind, it is happiness and end to suffering that matters. Freedom is in the mind and not limited to the sovereignty of the nation.
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pathseeker9 1 year ago
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dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
@leedhi Very much agree & You have good points! Freedom is all in the MIND. Without forgiveness and letting go, we cannot move on and that has been one of the greatest teachings by HHDL himself. HH has also let go of the "Independent Tibet" mantra and instead asking for spiritual autonomy. So wouldn't it be fair for Shugden practitioners to have been also requesting this from HH?
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
"Freedom is all in the mind"
Tell that to 70+ million who have been KILLED or STARVED to DEATH by the communist party
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Dharma Protectors main functions are to protect Buddhadharma, clear obstacles that prevent practitioners from their spiritual realizations, and to arrange all necessary conditions for their practice.
There are many Dharma Protectors but the emphasis now is on Dorje Shugden.
zamzam24388 1 year ago
Shugdens don't seem to care about the big picture.
FREE Tibet, East Turkestan, South Mongolia, Burma, Sudan and China for starters
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans I am sorry most to most I can do is to pray for them. Sorry to say but it is their karma. What they have done in their previous life is what caused them to experience what they experience in this life even though they were good people.
With accepting karma we can forgive and move on.
There is this saying that "you become what you don't forgive". Forgiveness is the only protection anyone really has.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
So you think everyone in Tibet, South Mongolia and East Turkestan has bad karma ???
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans I did not say it's everyone did I? Obviously there are some who suffered, suffering now n some may be fine with their lives. Not everyone has the same karma & experience. If ur whole nation 100% are all suffering then according to Lord Buddha, it's a group "karma" effect.
E.g. a group of ppl travel together on air & the plane crashes. Everyone in d plane died. They died together, meaning their karma all ripened at the same time for them to be in that situation.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
Do you think Tibetans were doing bad things in 1948 ??
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans Do you believe in previous life? If you like HH the 14th Dalai Lama...well then you must agree there was the previous Dalai Lamas as well. And this means there is a previous life. So if you have a previous life, you have previous life karma too, get it???
So do you think Tibetans have no previous life karma?
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
I have heard someone talk about their previous life.
I don't think Tibet got invaded because of Karma. Gold statues and animals where plentiful in Tibet in 1948. Unlike 2010.
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Just like any well planned marketing strategy, Dorje Shugden is only waiting for the right time to make his entrance a timing so well executed that his practice will be spread far and wide. It is going to garner more practitioners. Dorje Shugdens family will grow.
zamzam24388 1 year ago
Is this video about the Shugdens ????
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
We must be grateful and not forget how Tibetan Lamas have held their vows purely that today, we have Tibetan Buddhism available to us in its pure form. There are many ways of looking at the political situation affecting Tibet. I do not wish harm on anyone and pray that sufferings will end.One of the ways, of course is to apply the Buddhist teachings into our minds. May people heal from the hurts.
Peace
TheDharmaKnight 1 year ago
Amazing thing is that we will have a new era in buddhism where what was once hidden to the west will be practiced by the west. Imagine 500years from now the stories we are reading from the past your milarepas, naropas etc. will become sanchez, embeki mugadish, or joe smith. Todays practitioners will be tomorrows attained masters.
nostra120 1 year ago
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vinayaholder 1 year ago
The main reason why Buddhism has spread all over the west is because of the fall of Tibet. No choice but for the lamas to settle in different parts of the world and do what they have returned lifetime after lifetime to do.. which is to turn the wheel of Dharma. The fall of Tibet was unfortunate for the Tibetans but for the rest of the world it is a blessing in disguise.
vinayaholder 1 year ago
Is this video about Buddhism ?????
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Just like ancient India, real Buddhist practice will disappear from Tibet and will spread all over the world. Hence, it will require a very powerful protective force. His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been instrumental so far but he too will pass. Hence, there is a saying that an up and coming protective deity, emanation of Manjushri who is very effective to aid practitioners. However there is a controversy sparked by the Dalai Lama. Do read on dorjeshugden(dot)com....
closerelative 1 year ago
I have to correct my last words. Go back to China (if you are Chinese).
If you are a Westerner. Educate yourself.
Varavaken 1 year ago
Buddhism does not belong to Tibet.
Buddhism is not only for Tibetans.
Buddhism is for every sentient being.
Whether you are black or white, Tibetan or Chinese.
Everyone should be allowed to practice their pure lineage without obstruction or discrimination.
That is human right.
FREE DORJE SHUGDEN! STOP the PERSECUTION!
dorjeshugden(dot)com
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
dragonthunder2010
Dorje Shugden is free. It´s no longer a part of Tibetan Buddhism. So why complain?
Varavaken 1 year ago
Garbage about shugdens is about the only thing that brainwashed fools can come up with.
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
dragonthunder2010
Did you read my reply?
Who is preventing you from practicing?
NOBODY.
The truth is that YOU want to free the Tibetans from the Dalai Lama. You want to split the exile community and undermine his authority. But the Tibetans do not agree with you! This is POLITICS.
Go to China/Tibet. And stay there.
Varavaken 1 year ago
If Tibet is a Democratic country ... then what's the big issue in practicing Dorje Shugden??? In any free democratic country today, people are allowed to practice whatever they wish. This is the first time in any so called "democratic" country have the world heard of a religious ban and discrimination!
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
dragonthunder2010
If Tibet is a democratic country? What are you talking about? China invaded Tibet a long time ago (1950?), China controlls Tibet.
"The Tibetans in Exile are in a transition of changing their system from feudal (with democratic elements) to democracy." (Charles Bell)
So they are working on it.
Varavaken 1 year ago
I like HH the Dalai Lama and respect him very deeply for making Tibetan Buddhism popular around the world! But I cannot and will not support the Ban of Dorje Shugden as it would mean throwing away a practice that's been passed down from my teacher and that would mean breaking my Guru samaya. Isnt that more important than political agendas?
FREE DORJE SHUGDEN!
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
Free your brainwashed mind
Free Tibet
Free Falun Gong
Free China
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
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purpleaster - yes, also it doesn't make sense to say that DS is a spirit who will bring you to hell etc. How is that possible?! The high lamas who were renowned DS practitioners are all back - their unmistaken reincarnations are back and were even recognised by the dalai Lama himself!
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
I would guess that you are a brainwashed chinese student.
FYI
Tibet is an INVADED and OCCUPIED country.
DEMOCRACY for Tibet
DEMOCRACY for China
DEMOCRACY for South Mongolia
DEMOCRACY for East Turkestan
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
Proclaiming Dorje Shugden an evil spirit denies more than two hundred acclaimed Tibetan Buddhist masters — not counting their tens of thousands of disciples — their religious qualifications. From Wikipedia. It is also said that how one sees Dorje Shugden is depended on ones mind ... see dorje shugden (dot) com
thepurpleaster 1 year ago
@ brainwashed person
FYI
MILLIONS killed under chairman Mao's rule in the PRC is estimated at
65 The Black Book of Communism
70+ Mao: The Unknown Story
77 RJ Rummel
Shugdens killed by HHDL ZERO
FREE China and Tibet
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Notice how, the anti-Dalai Lama videos, many of the people who first "stopped by the video," their accounts are closed now. That because when the video began, YouTube was open in China but soon after it close, their acct was closed also.
TibetHeart 1 year ago
HHDL supports Chinese in their quest for FREEDOM in China
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
Tibet is the fatherland not motherland
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
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Duo Zhi Shu Den go go GO, we support you hudnreds percent! Thank you! you can protect China of the evil Daliar shit lama. Dun believe the Tibetan filth. only look at Duo Zhi Shu Den. did you know shit Dalai is violent, that's why we call "da lai" means "big scabies." please ask Duo Zhi protect you from liar Big Scab, thank you.
DogshitIama 1 year ago
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
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Did you know, Dorje Shugden have manifested in different aspects, as Indian and Tibetan Masters,
like Manjushri, Mahasiddha Biwawa, Sakya Pandita, Butön Rinchen Drub, Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsän, Panchen Sönam Dragpa, and many others.
You can chek it out yourself at dorjeshugden(dot)com/lineage.htm
thepurpleaster 1 year ago
go to
nktworld. org/index.htm (remove space)
and learn about Shugdens undermining the JUST Tibetan cause.
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
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I love Dorje Shugden he has helped me and my family tremendously! He gives protection, freedom and comfort, help to those who needs it. He gives unconditionally despite your race or religion because he is Buddha Manjushri!
Praise to you Vajradhara Dorje Shugden!
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA
thepurpleaster 1 year ago
FREE your brainwashed mind
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
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regardless of what race we are, what culture we are from - underneath our skin, we are all the same - blood and flesh. Isn't it easier to live in peace and harmony than in conflict? May the Holy Dorje Shugden bring peace to every country and every home. Read more here dorjeshugden (dot) com.
wisdombeing 1 year ago
Hopefully the evil communist party will be gone very soon.
DEMOCRACY for Tibet
DEMOCRACY for China
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
we indians r proud to have tibitian in our home its not only our home its the home of tibitiens to...... n all those who belive in hh dalai lama n the concept of the god is one
india will always stand for the free tibet policy as we have done in last 50yr's
fuck u noodles chines basted
living under comunist mother fuckers where thr's no freedom to speach, to work n to have babys also.....
ass hole just too buz in fucking n producing monkey face kids...
Me6GunLover 2 years ago
@ phoni
The Tibetan government in India is democratic.
Its time for brainwashed people who support the lying and corrupt communist party to support democracy.
ChinaKillsTibetans 2 years ago 3
@ChinaKillsTibetans
Fuck freetibet! Tibetans need the love of Jesus Christ!
666AmericanFreedom 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans
If the Tibetan government in exile is democratic then how come the dalai lama is still the leader after 50+ years. I also don't recall there being an election to elect a dalai lama either. Democracy, no..........Democrazy, yes!!!!
666AmericanFreedom 1 year ago
1963
HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet.
1992
HH the Dalai Lama initiated a number of additional major democratic steps, including the direct elections of Kalons (Ministers) by the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies and the establishment of a judiciary branch. Previously Kalons appointed directly by His Holiness.
2001
The first direct democratic elections were held by the Tibetan people for the post of Kalon Tripa (Senior Minister) in the history of Tibet
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
"HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet."...yeah with him at the top. What do you call a country with a religious figure running the country??? A THEOCRACY!!! Tibetan exiles government is a DEMOCRAZY!!!
666AmericanFreedom 1 year ago
@666AmericanFreedom
On September 5, 2001, Samdhong Lobsang Tenzin Rinpoche, was elected Prime Minister of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile.
One of Samdhong Rinpoche's first actions after taking the oath of office was to request that the Dalai Lama not transfer all of his executive responsibilities to the new democratically elected Kashag Chairperson and the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies.
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
Part 2
Rinpoche asked the Dalai Lama "to continue to exercise his traditional administrative responsibilities in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the Tibetans in Exile... I trust HH will consider my request with loving-kindness."
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
So basically the people elected a president to represent them and he then gives all his power away to a monk! What the hell do you expect from Rinpoche, he's a theocratic supporter! Tibet will always be a theocracy under the dalai lama and his hindu/buddism elites....deal with it! Fuck you asshole for supporting theocratic rule in this day and age. You're a millennium too late. Now get the fuck out of here!
666AmericanFreedom 1 year ago
@666American
If Tibetans didn't like Rinpoche appointing HHDL he'd be VOTED out pretty quickly.
.
Do you support Military Dictatorships ???
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
No I do not support a military dictatorship nor do I support a religious dictatorship! India has some good curry so go get me some curry beef bitch!
666AmericanFreedom 1 year ago
@666AmericanFreedom
FYI
in 1963
HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet.
1992
HH the Dalai Lama initiated a number of additional major democratic steps, including the direct elections of Kalons (Ministers) by the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies and the establishment of a judiciary branch. Previously Kalons appointed directly by His Holiness.
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago
2001
The first direct democratic elections were held by the Tibetan people for the post of Kalon Tripa (Senior Minister) in the history of Tibet.
HumanRightsVideosT 1 year ago