Spanish Anarchists 1936

[helveteguy]

Were back.

[ForTheGraveDigger]

In capitalism, the boss puts the work force out of work.

In anarchism, the work force fires the boss, then goes back to work.

[SuperAcab666]

Respect from Denmark

(A) :-DD

[MovieMagicMaster]

Introduce a little Anarchy....

[P2VNeptuneAC]

Anarchists UNITE! Let's get organized!

[ivanillich131]

@P2VNeptuneAC organization is against anarchy.

[owingawat]

@ivanillich131 No it's not. I don't know of a single anarchist that's against organization.

[Breakbeat90s]

@ivanillich131 ANARCHY is ORDER.

[ju4nito]

Barcelona was the only big city that supported anarchism, but the moviment was very important in the rural Andalucia, Valencia and Aragon; unfortunately there're no movies recorded.

[P2VNeptuneAC]

Communism doesn't work for anyone except the elite at the top.

[jesselakerr]

@P2VNeptuneAC yep, just like capitalism only works for the capitalist

[P2VNeptuneAC]

@jesselakerr Hey, I was making a joke...Anarchists uniting isn't going to happen.

[watafreakinpain]

vivan los trabajadores!

[WVliberty]

could the weak central power they had led to thier downfall, it is one of the main reason why confederates lost the civil war in America

[greenday1978]

If you can read The Batle for Spain by Antony Beevor. He doesent seem to sugest that (after all Spain is a smallish State if compared to the Confederate States) And from the three autonomic areas of the second republic, two: Galicia and Euzkadi had been overrun or isolated by the fascists too early in the war to matter and the catalans were too aware of the danger to their autonomy to object to the central republican governenment.

[greenday1978]

Yet a very interesting point he makes is that the CNT people (numericly bigger and more important in the control of the economy and society than the communists at that time) were so averse to take power and use power that often they would pull out from contestig positions in the republican government and military allowing the communists (better organized and trained because of Moscows assitance) to take over.

[WVliberty]

i think that in order to protect a country or win a revolution you'd have to have a strong centralized army, if soldiers could come and go as they please, they would be hard to deal with in battle

[greenday1978]

The cnt soldiers were highly motivated as fighters but not as comanders, there seemed to be some reluctance to fight away from its own province but there were more important factors. Do read Beevors book and also Marc Ferro's a peoples tragedy traking the Russian revolution. they make interesting paralel readings.

[WVliberty]

im sure they would, i would be if i was one of em, could you get those at a store, or probably off the internet

[greenday1978]

They are fairly popular titles (at least here in the UK) so any good book store should have them but Amazon does have them.

In both it shows how more generous, more libertarian movements that were more popular (socialist revolutionaries and cnt anarchists) were bypassed by smaller but more forcibly organized movements whith dictatorial tendencies. Ferro's book is specially good because follows actual people thru it giving faces and hearts to people who would only be numbers and statistics.

[drash]

Viva la CNT/FAI

[Carouselant]

revolution is not dead.. (A)

[bjarczyk]

Check out the anarchist FAQ on infoshop

[AnarchoSkinhead]

we dont fear the ruins becuse we was born in a concrete jungle. li li liberta anarchy total

[comradegonzo]

Inspiring and tragic.

No gods! No masters!

[baltostella]

Anarchism is almost as evil as communism!

[PunkSkaOi]

Freedom is evil?

[globalchaos1984]

if only this defeated the fachists, if only =(...

[obligafa]

the best army in the storyy!!

the republican armyyy!!

VIVA LA 3era REPUBLICA!!!

[soulja4lyfe]

i suggest read 'Spanish Anarchism' by murray bookchin definently a good read

spainards showed such solidarity its ashame that petty bourgeois differences keep us from coming together here in the states

[ninyae]

The UK anarchist Penny Rimbaud recently said, "In 77 the revolution was guitars and microphones. The revolution is now permaculture!" The revolution begins in the backyard. The revolution is from the inside and out. Any revolution involving guns is bound to failure. Guns give the system the reason to exist. We must live simply so that the poor can simply live. Want a revolution? Then bring permaculture to war zones like Iraq.

[JimmiBaez]

wat

[ninyae]

wat? what?

[selfgovernyourself]

there is no government like no government

[jesselakerr]

@selfgovernyourself ha i love that :)

[Keinlicht]

@selfgovernyourself There's no government like self government

[darongibson]

We were so close...

[mravka9]

we are close again now.

[darongibson]

No, we need to become bigger...

[anticonservador]

I cry when listen this song.

1936 was the last oportunity for say stop to the Imperialist World War II

The last oportunity for revolution and freedom in Europe...

[sokolnitz]

spain is liberty is ANARCHIST

[CrunchyBlck73]

anarchism is the only way to utopian society. it dosent alow room for aristocracy, or any elite class. look at the folks who run every govt....they can be catogorized by their seemingly endless funds and overwhelming authority and power. that is the reason why they brainwash the public into despising the very thought of anarchy. god forbid their reign should end. anarchy is the way humans are meant to live- free yet dependent on one another. every animal lives like this but humans...how shameful

[duffers]

snipers*

[figocooldude]

Anarquia y libertad!!!

[chatnoir6]

Dopamine seems to be a naturally produced substance of the brain which contributes to feelings of euphoria. Perhaps that explains why we enjoy working with others, although we certainly don't enjoy working for or under others. I think that the connection between co-operation and the release of dopamine in the brain, is an evolutionary one. Co-operation, after all, must have been crucial to our early survival and emergence as a species.

[CrunchyBlck73]

yes you have a very good point. this can be used to plead a case for anarchy. people will be more settled and at eae if we worked together for survival rather than competed. every animal does this...monkeys, dogs, lions and so on hang in packs because nature dictates that survival is easier this way...so our brains naturally encourage this. but humans dont...which explains why their is so much strife in human society even without any natural predetors

[mikezephyr]

the connection between co-operation and the release of dopamine in the brain, is a revolutionary one!

[Staubdumm]

You have a source for this? sounds interesting!

[sheepblitzer]

very true mikezephyr! doing good deeds for others also gives a natural high. because all people are our brothers and sisters--humanity is one--so helping someone else, the brain realizes, is like helping oneself.

[chatnoir6]

One more thing. It has been proved that co-operation releases dopamine in the brain and brings on a high. Competition only contributes to stress. Which would you rather prefer?

[HEYARNOLD5]

dopamine? isnt that what snipers use to calm their nerves.

[chatnoir6]

I've no idea. I read about this in a book by the Neuroscientist, Antonio Damasio, who was citing an experiment which proved...

[duffers]

Diazepam, or Valium as it's commonly known, is the drug sniper's use.

[HEYARNOLD5]

would anarchism work? yes, in theory. In reality the Fascists took the country, this was merely a transitory phase.

[figocooldude]

it was the communist fault Cataluña fell, we won't make the same mistake twice, no more allainces with socialists!!

[HEYARNOLD5]

you wont need to make alliances- as socialism it has been proven does nothing to advance anything

[spaz3586]

Anarchists are socialists. We need to watch out for authoritarian Marxists, however anti-authoritarian Marxists like council communists can be our allay since their ideology is so close to that of anarchism.

[mikezephyr]

word son! take a look at the Paris Commune as well (however hopelessly outmatched it was (or ahead of it's time))- leninism and stalinism is hardly consistant with Marx. and the end goal of communism is what both anarchists and marxists strive for- this should matter becuase there's a clear, common enemy to be fought.

[timetochilli]

@spaz3586 real anarchism does want socialism individual cooperativism

[TheFlameoftheWest]

@spaz3586 Well said

[jacksas1]

the truth is, the Governments of the world don't care about their people. In the end it will always be up to the people to do whats best for themselves. Viva La Republica!

[Odroerir2]

I agree with your statement, but I just can't see why your conclusion is "Viva La Republica!" The government of a republic is as bad as any government. Not the republic but the people are important!

Long live Anarchism!

[Odroerir2]

They were all so afraid of the revolution and something that could really liberate the working class that they let Franco win. Germany and Italy were participating on Franco's side, and still Anarchists hold them back for years.

Now tell me that Anarchists can't defend themselves in a war? Bullshit!

The betrayal of Stalinist "Communists" during the war is such a sad thing... The so called "communists" killing their comrades and destroying the cooperatives is an unforgiveable crime.

[Odroerir2]

Libertarian Communism and Anarcho-Syndicalism are the ways of the future! Spain 36-39, the Machnowschtschina, the early movements in Russia during the revolution, there is proof that it works! Never ever again give into the repression by those fascist and stalinist criminals!

Check out "Vivir la Utopia" for a full documentary on the spanish civil war. There should at least be a german and english subbed version on here.

Greetings from Germany.

[burntherichs]

For those who say anarchy don't work... u got just got rocked :)

[alba0104]

Gracias a mis abuelos por creer en una sociedad mejor y luchar por ella.

[paulkelly64]

how many spanish have being aborted in the last 20 years???

by this so called democrats/socialist

far to many and not finish yet.

[jlc137]

No Pasaran.... but they did eventually. This was a bloody affair but you fight for what you believe in or you won't believe your life was worth living.

[MEZDYZ0]

funny how churchill was too much of a fat cunt to do anything...

Roosevelt was wallowing in self pitty due to his loss of ability to walk and please his raisin wife Elanor. Mexico was the only nation with real volunteers and Soviets ruined shit with the Stalinist takeover.

Long story short, The powers at that time feared another spread of revolution for the people

[Ninyae1]

I still burst into tears whenever I see or read anything about the Spanish revolution. The betrayal is just too much for me.

[tinydancer4u]

It always starts off utopian, but you cannot control human nature. Human nature will always win out.

[wildbillcleveland]

Yeah human nature does tend to f%ck things up, you do have a point.

[fdh2006]

Human nature to me means cooperation,peace,and happiness.

[ntheAttic]

But what really is true human nature? hmmmm? Has our true nature ever been realized? Or have we allways been coerced and controlled? Is a state of fear our true nature?

[burntherichs]

that is not true. not all societies were as competitive as european cultures.

Cooperation is also survival mechanism for animals and therefore it is in our nature to mutually aid each other.

[chatnoir6]

Human Nature is what we as a species grew up with for the first 90% of our time on this planet and that period is what is genetically crucial to us. Human Nature is paleolithic and paleolithic meant co-operating with one another to survive. During that first 90% of our time on this planet, we lived anarchism as the normal state of affairs. No reason why we cannot live it again.

[SearcherForETI]

The Communists actually did very poorly compared to the others in the 1936 elections and never achieved mass support from the people: who were mostly divided between socialists and anarcho-syndicalists. The reason the fascist military staged their uprising was because of their hatred for the people and their fear of a direct democracy being creating.

[wildbillcleveland]

yeah

[SearcherForETI]

The Spanish Civil War was quite simply a genuine class war. The rich, the church, the military, and the nationalists/fascists overall brutally waged an assault to pulverize the workers and peasants of Spain and they valiantly fought back. The Spanish working class was the greatest working class in history and while suffering from treachery from Stalinists, failure of narve from the CNT-FAI, and the fascist onslaught, was finally and tragically defeated.

[wildbillcleveland]

They were isolated too. No one came to their aid, well besides individuals like the Abraham lincoln brigade and leftists from the Uk and Ireland, well all

countries..but no nations helped France and of Course the USA stayed nuetral while Italy and Germany sent aid to Frnaco.

[Shootthebosses]

adbello, communism wan't taking over Spain. This was a government elected by the people. The problem you fascists have is in failing to see that fact. If only the British, US and French governments had realised this, Hitler and Mussolini would not have been able to march across Europe and murder millions of people. You sad Nazi scumbag!

[adbello]

Most Americans are completely wrong about the reasons for the Spanish civil war. The high ranking army officers that began the uprising did so because of their hatred for comunism, which was taking over Spain.

[sarsanch]

That is a lie!Franco's regime wanted it to be that way to justify his coup d'etat.

[foukas666]

Honore e gloria a Duruti! (A)

[delsur2009]

The power did not solve anything during human history besides the power created war and blody society conflicts, the institutions of power as: justice, education, religion, etc served and serve the power to oppress low classes : the world change is not real yet, did not arrived yet.

[elektroduende]

viva la CNT!! hijos del pueblo en pie por la libertad!

[blast2003]

This is like the people that think a State can live without Army....

SI VIS PACEM PARABELLUM (Its old like the hills)

[elchasai]

with such detailed organization is it really appropriate that they be referred to under their self-styled nomenclature of anarchist?

[Strummerkid]

Anarchists are not against organisation.

[elchasai]

right their just against the hieararchy of administration, which is just as absurd a notion. organization without hieararchy is impossible, sad but true.

[Strummerkid]

While im not sure that it is impossible, you have a valid point. i can see how it would pose many problems and i'm certainly not the person to solve them.

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

Socialism in this country, International Socialism around the world for the beginning of the end of all wars! International Socialism leads to Communism: Jobs for all, healthcare as a birth right, education as a right of passage, freedom! Anarchy ignores this important and necessary phase between capitalism and a stateless society. Anarchy does not have a plan to prevent counterrevolution!

[Xproletariatx]

Im pretty sick of Anarchists, im sorry. I know im generalizing all of them, but they are all the same. It is literally the politics of abstentionism and impatience in my opinion. Every anarchist I debate with, it comes down to the same conclusion "Just change yourself, cant change the world". They literally say this. Ridiculous

[InsurgenistCujo]

To us it is and people that want change, not you marxist

[je33k]

Freedom for Catalonia Countrys!

Spain is an opresive state!

[Mandjos]

que tiempos aquellos, lástima que ahora a los anarquistas de cabeza y corazón se nos considere locos, sin la ayuda de Buenaventura Durruti españa no ubiera aguantado ni un asalto...

FAI resurge!

[ComunismoLibertario]

The CNT and the FAI never surrendered in the 36 nor never will do it in the present, always in fight. You, yes, you, you can change it everything...

Freedom, equality, solidarity.

Anarchism.

[putojake]

viva el anarkismo

[ddtt74]

Desde luego Scatman.

Ahora los que van de anarkistas son sólo una panda de borrachos que no ven más allá de destrozar escaparates y tirar piedras a la policía.

para ser anarquista de verdad hay que ser serio y responsable, de eso va la movida: educación y cultura para hacernos libres.

Ni dios ni amo.

[durtydeeedz]

Yeh Lenin had created the Cheka but he wasn't the one controlling the Cheka. What ever the Cheka might have done, Lenin was not a part of it, you understand shithead??

[durtydeeedz]

The Cheka was created for security reasons and things got bad during Stalin's rule. Lenin wasn't responsible for what happened later because he was dead you idiot!

Poland was a communist state at one stage to dumbass!

[durtydeeedz]

Yeh during stalin's rule alot of bad shit happened before & after WWII, I dont deny that. Stalin gave communism a bad name. Lenin was even praised by Muhutma Ghandi. Communism is not like Nazism, Stalinism is like Nazism, don't get it confused.

Now you understand little boy????

[durtydeeedz]

If u cant tell the difference between communism & fascism, then you're just as stupid as Hitler!

Do u have a political agenda or are u one of those mindless consuming teeny boppers?

[durtydeeedz]

Yes indeed.

You deserve that shit

[durtydeeedz]

If the USSR was still around, I think your ass would be in the fuckin Gulag

[durtydeeedz]

hmmm hitler hated slavs... kill all fascist!

[scatman64]

Eso es anarquismo decente y no la mierda que hay ahora.

[Alcoholikus]

Anarchy the chaos saves the humanity from all capitalist flies et imperialist pigs...

So comrades believe it to be!

[PatrioticandProud]

capitalism is the only system that works, so all you commie-bugging anarchists should stop bitchin and actually cooperate and socially reform some of the downsides of capitalism

[Xproletariatx]

Listen man! Its not rocket science. Profit accumulates at the direct exploitation of the wage-laborers, which I would say makes up 90% of the human population right now. Wage-labor equals EXPLOITATION. Youre being exploited right now, and so am I. No different from slavery, or the feudal system. As long as capital exists, exploitation will go hand in hand with it. Read a book please.

[elchasai]

its a little different than slavery in that you can choose where to work, you can denounce you can protest, you can pay your debts or default in bankruptcy. You dont need to buy an expensive house you can live in an intentional community, you can tune in or tune out. You dont have a barcode on your neck, you arent chattel. Of course thats just my opinion.

[Xproletariatx]

I just meant in terms of still having the value of our labor extracted unwillingly from us with no full compensation in return. But youre right, there are differences. I just got a little carried away.

[Blobulous]

All the people saying anarchists militias were defeated because of poor organization or whatever are incorrect. How do you explain the fact that the Durruti Column saved Madrid? That the capture of Teruel (the only city captured by antifascist forces) was taken by the anarchists? That when the militias were forced to accept military discipline (around 1938) the entire catalonian front collapsed?

[Xproletariatx]

Militias can win, but up to a certain extent. Of course they can win back a city. But, centralism is whats lacking. Centralism is the key to winning on the whole front. Decentralization due to trying to establish a "non-hierarchical organization" leads only to utter isolation. The Hamburg workers learned this unmistakeably in Germany in 1923.

[ArtGarfunkelfan1]

anarchism is somewhat of a good idea and it has worked for a small amount of time, but it is not realistic and anarchists today do nothing but create violence that comepletly gose against there own purpose

[FionMacCumhail]

I find anarchism to be far more realistic then reformism.

As for anarchists today--well--in America your probably right. I have not seen anything really worthwhile but thats just me.

[Strummerkid]

Violence is relative. I'd much rather see a shop window smashed then 1000's of Iraqi's killed.

[Croccifixio90]

Yeah, I believe its from the documentary Anarchism in America.

With regards to the Anarchist generation of 1939, I think that generation was the best one of Spains history, comparing it to the rest of the countrys violent record. Its a shame the Anarchist military was too poorly organized to compete with the fear-driven fascists, or we might live in a world where Anarchy can be accepted.

[Apocolypsedude101]

Is this from some documentary? If so which one?

[denouement100]

The anarchist spirit remains strong!

[marfiuss]

VIVA DURRUTI, VIVA LA ANARKIA our times shall come !

salud

[D4ph1]

Go and read some books and stop critisizing from what you hear or see in the TV. If you were living in 36 in Spain, which side would you be on??? With fascists,with communists or with anarchists?? Its that simple!

[cowabuse]

blast you're just a result of generations of inbreeding.

[Xproletariatx]

HAHAHAH

[CouncilCommie]

"Revolutions without theory fail to make progress. We of the "Friends of Durruti" have outlined our thinking, which mya be amended as appropriate in great social upheavals but which hinges upon two essential points which cannot be avoided. A program, and rifles."

-Los Amigos De Durruti (El Amigo Del Pueblo)

Long live the social revolution

[Tahmus]

The Spanish Revolution proved the very notion of human nature false. It proved that humans can work cooperatively as one to create a better society without the control of tyrants.

[blast2003]

My point is easy, without laws and a state to ensure individual freedom it comes to chaos. Anarchy is utopia. CNT and FAI was a big failure. They executed several civilians on Madrid and Barcelona. And they were military defeated. FACT.

[Tahmus]

Our point is easy, there is still very much a "government", but no centralized governing body that uses force and coercion to maintain power and privilege. Anarchy, as examined in this clip, has worked magnificantly even in the most complex arrangements of society. CNT and FAI successfully organized over 3 million workers. They defeated fascist forces in the opening stages until the communists killed them. They executed 1,000 fascists, industrialists, and landowners. FACT.

[blast2003]

I´m spanish and be sure I know what I´m talking about. That hole generation is a shame and a failure. CIVIL WAR is CIVIL WAR in anny country no matter what paint you put on it. Study some economy too and learn a very simple principle capitalism is so successfull coz it build on human selfish. FACT of the FACTS.

[marfiuss]

well i am spanish alsow, and i can tell you that you are a blinded spanish bitch, Durruti, was a great man. IT WASNT THE ANARCHIST FAULT THAT THE CIVIL WAR STARTED.

just read more.

ah and btw CAPITALISMO SUCCESFULL?... while half the world dies of colestrol, the other half dies of hunger cuz of it sun of a bitch. fuc kyou .. ke te den joputa

[chopsalicious]

That's a dictionary definition you've got there. Where are the workers cooperatives, the collectivization of labor, the democracy, the right to well-being, anything that has to do with anarchism?

[chopsalicious]

Then tell me, where are the workers collectives and cooperatives, the libertarian schools, the right to well-being, the collectivization of labor, the attempt to form a libertarian commune of any sort whatsoever? Asshole, there's nothing anarchistic about a couple warlords scooping huge profits off of civil wars, or whatever exactly is going on down there.

[blast2003]

like Darfur, Somalia, Sierra Leonians, Liberia, Guinea... maybe they are not anarchy "de iure" (if such thing could exist) but indeed they are "de facto"

[blast2003]

like Darfur, Somalia, Sierra Leonians, Liberia, Guinea... maybe they are not anarchy "de iure" (if such thing could exist) but indeed they are "de facto"

[fraggle1jock]

But not a single one of the states you give as examples have anything to do with anarchism or socialism. Liberia, for example is run by a former world bank employee and is integrated into the western economic system. I really don't think you could buy a clue.

[Strummerkid]

You make the common mistake of confusing lawlessness and chaos with Anarchism. While the word may be used by some to describe such situations, it is certainly not what revolutionary anarchists are supporting.

[blast2003]

Anarchism is the name of a political philosophy or a group of doctrines and attitudes that are centered on rejection of any form of hierarchy (such as the state)

[fraggle1jock]

Absolutely. And the law is not a form of hierarchy, so anarchists are not opposed to law, by your own definition. Thanks for making my point for me.

[ntheAttic]

Anarchism is a doctrine advocating the abolition of government and its replacement by a social system based on voluntary co operation.

[blast2003]

OK, then try living on certain regions of Africa without law or state. Its cool too...you dont need to go back to 1936.

[fraggle1jock]

Now you're just becoming bizarre. The type of Anarchism supported by the CNT, FAI had nothing to do with having no law. Also there is no such thing as "regions of Africa without a state".

[blast2003]

All you comunism lovers please go Cuba or N. Korea and feel the magic of the happyness of living in those regimes. I prefer my brainwash rather than yours...for sure.

[fraggle1jock]

Brainwash is an entirely apt term, since you have clearly been brainwashed into believing Spanish anarchism has something to do with N. Korea and Cuba.

[FionMacCumhail]

Haha! You fail at life. Dumbass.

[blast2003]

No..nobody with common sense can say It could be cool to be a teenager in 1936...Peirod

[Blobulous]

I'm afraid your "common sense" is nothing more than lies and propaganda force fed to you in neo-pavlovian conditioning(i.e. public school, mass media, etc.).

[Tahmus]

Maybe American teenagers, who care more for material objects rather than the well-being and freedom of their fellow humans.

[kingsleynedzissou]

Wow, would have been cool to be young and idealistic in 1936. Beats the hell out of laying yourself down on the altar of Haliburton.

[soynoise]

wow!

[fuser13]

Yo soy español y en Barcelona en 1936 se demostro que el sistema de la anarquia ( o comunista ) era posible. Viva la Revolucion!

[anarchism]

VIVA LA ESPAÑA DEL 36!!

viva la revolución, let's make this shit a better world, let's all fight for anarchy

[jane0610]

La Luca Continua!!!!

[acrataluis]

viva la Anarquia!!!

[haschtrollet]

yeah, they both exist.

[Blobulous]

Do the C.N.T. and F.A.I. still exist in Spain? I really wish they had won the war and they probably would have if they hadn't been betrayed by the communists and the republican government. Long Live Anarchy!

[remember1917]

It wasn't that the 'communists betrayed the anarchists' its that the Stalinists wouldnt fight with the Trotskyist POUM and that they would only supply the republican government with arms if they took economical measures that would benefit Stalist russia. Not to mention the lack of support from the UK and France. The anarchists seemed to think they could win the war on their own and wern't exactly supportive of the united front

[Tahmus]

Yes, they still do exist. They also still yeild considerable power, being the second largest trade union in all of Spain.

[CHR87]

REVOLUtION!!!

[rufoman]

asdorer, we are waiting you, we are antifascist klan, salud!! see: sin dios-1936 un pueblo en armas

[tchock]

beautiful!

[asdorer]

I went to Spain to kill as many fascists as possible; that's all the less to kill when they get here. - Fred Baxter, Canadian International Brigade veteran.

[EgoDiversion]

Good stuff..

Big thanks

[LaughingLefty]

Awesome, I'm a big Spanish Civil war buff. I've never seen these film clips before. Got more? Please post it. Especially is you have any revolutionary songs from the Spanish Civil I'd be very interested.