LET ME TELL YOU BUDDIES...the jehovah's witnesses is a fanatical cult. This is FACT from one who was brainwashed into their fanatical dogma from birth. They are a dangerous group. This cult destroys lives, families! The only difference between them and the taliban, are the guns and bombs. The jehovah's witnesses weapons are their brainwashing skills. The watchtower, bible and track society decides what dogma to teach and the people are brainwashed into believing the SHIT is the truth. EVIL
My family has been associated with the witnesses every since my Grandfather was stationed in the navy in Philly. He was an honorary pall bearer for JPJ. I am not a witness but I am associated due to my family. What motivates a person like you to do what you do? It reminds me of a harrison ford movie. The bad guys were punking out the amish. Can you give it a fuggin rest amigo?
You raise some great points and I agree with you 100%, but I'm pretty sure a JW would still be "couseled" or disfellowshipped for celebrating their birthday.
If you look up birthdays in the encyclopedia you will come to realize that Christians did not celebrate birthdays as they viewed them as pagan. So if you lived in the first century with peter, Paul, john and so forth they would have not celebrated any birthday.
Eccleciastes 7:2-4, "Better is it to go to the HOUSE OF MOURNING than to the banquet house, because that is the end of all mankind; and the one alive should take (it) to his heart". verse 4, "The heart of the WISE ONES is in the HOUSE OF MOURNING, but the heart of the STUPID ONES IS IN THE HOUSE OF REJOICING." We do not TWIST scriptures as video claims. We simply chose to be WISE ONES, not stupid ones. We don't celebrate life every year. We Celebrate Jesus' DEATH, he told us to Luke 22:19..
CHRISTMAS IS NOT REALLY JESUS' BIRTHDAY.Read Matthew, Mark, Luke in bible about 2/3 of way through bible.They never give a date of his birth.Jesus never celebrated his birthday.HE DID TELL US TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH at Luke 22:19.We keep his Memorial-Jehovah's Witnesses follow exactly what Jesus tells us. The bible says celebrate DEATH-Eccleciastes 7:1-8, verse 4,"The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing."BIBLE IS TRUTH.
I never read anywhere in the bible where it says that God approves of any form of rings. Actually women who were well adorned with jewelry and mackup were compared to harlots and jezebels and God was very angry at the Isrealites for keeping the practices they learnt in Egypt and the jewelry they turned into a golden calf. I say, if the bible doesnt say we should do it, then y r we doing it wetha pagan or not?
Oh Before i sign off with you 4ever, ILL say one last thing. These FACTs can only be fully understood by those poor souls who were almost "SUCKED DRY" by the WTBTS and many religons Orgs similiar to it.These poor souls are still picking up the mental pieces while lower underlings, like you defend the indefensible. The Pharisees (Governing Body) doesnt need you to protect them,and sense your NOT one I have quarrel with you. Peace be with you...
1. If you had a beef with my religon, I really wouldnt mind. Your relationship with God is really between you and God.2.If you didnt get my spider story;I can not help you. 3.Unlike you, Im not so arrogant to say that story couldnt apply to me also.God chosen people fell away from God how may times? This couldnt happen to a Corp-religon that claim to be with God?4.Been nice chatting with you but I see your JW Hr meter running;Not off of me!Call me Apostate an damn me to Your Hell.Its ok..
Generally, we try to stay away from things that directly tie to pagan worship..birthday candles, cakes, gift giving, well wishes, etc..all are tied to direct spiritism. I would ask..is there anything tying wedding rings directly to pagan worship? Or, was it simply a custom..what exactly ARE the origins and the reasons?
Its all about the money.WTBTS considers celebrations and holidays competition for covetted limited resources from their followers who should be using those resources purchasing their literature.Its a very ingenious system of CORPORATE RELIGOUS EXPLOITATION. In reality all you need is the bible;but you cant make billions of TAX-EXEMPT dollars off of one book. You got to make lots of diiferent books for that. STOP "DONATING" for their lit,BUY ONE BIBLE NO MORE.
@brofun There one thing worse than "ignorance".. Its call PROPAGANDA an its half cousin TRIVIA. None of which is good for anything. Knowledge has tought me that TRUTH can hurt INNOCENT people who dont understand deception.
@sovern009 You are making grandeos statements..why not a little bit of fact along with them. Were you hurt by the truth in some way?..and if so..give me the details..and let's discuss it. Would you have that ignorance is bliss somehow? Knowledge IS your friend..ignorance is not. If truth hurts..then it's the kind of hurt that in the long run will yeild fruit that is good..but, lies, deception etc, will never bring good fruit.
@brofun 1.If you want facts I suggest you study indepth (cross-check references) and do a real investigation on your Corp-religon.2.Non of your concern3.No i said PROPAGANDA "can be" Bliss if one dosnt investigate indepth.4 Sounds alot like Hitlers "strong medicine" view. 5."but, lies, deception etc, will never bring good fruit".Your RIGHT! WBTS bears no fruit, only inner-pain an sufering,and a good propaganda campaign to deflect the REAL TRUTH about their DECEPTION.
@sovern00 You speak in generalitiies..I could say the same things about whatever religion you are. By the way..what denomination are you? As for bliss doesn't investigate?..I'm not a blissful person..I chekc out everything..and did. Now..ifyou want to converse..start conversing about the bible and truth. These poor generalizations are the words of someone who is short on facts and reasoning..give a shot..you might learn something! Or I might! But..I won't learn anything with generlization
@brofun A Spider never kills its prey. Its put is victims to Sleep and SUCKS THEM DRY.Spiders use a vast array of DECEPTION (Propaganda) to attract unsuspecting prey. I believe most prey are in a quite blissful state more so in the TRAP. When caught in its "Web" I wonder if the prey is saying "this aint so bad, this doesnt hurt"." I will follow the Spider", (WTBTS) the prey says," to PARADISE EARTH",(drug effect of the venom).Most pedaters are very sharp. They usually have a good legal dept too.
@sovern009 ok..you like illustrations..but, you gotta make the illustration fit! You give your opinion..but without any facts! You don't respond to points. STart conversing and reasoning on reasons why..and, I assume you consider yourself a christian..so, start using your bible to prove your points. You do use the bible..right?...and keep things focused..not general.
The same could be said for Christmas. Actually the same could be said for all aspects of life if. What ever you do in word od deed do all in the name of the lord.
It says in the bible not to celebrate anything but the passover. Thats why they don't celebrate birthdays. The only people who celebrated birthdays in the bible were enemies of god. :) If you had stated your argument without twisting someones words for your own ends it would have been far more beneficial. Maybe thats why the person said don't respond. anyway wb.
Not only are wedding rings of Pagan origin but also the wearing of white bridal dresses, veils, wedding cakes and giving toasts and wedding gifts, but the Watchtower Organisation allows all of these practices.
Cremating the dead is a pagan practice and forbidden in the Bible except under certain circumstances, but again, the Watchtower organisation allows this.
Let me ask you this, do you believe it offends god to make a promise to a woman, and to publicly declare that promise with a ring? The ring being a symbol of that promise?
Now, does it offend god to celebrate pagan holidays that are based on worshiping "other gods"? Easter is indeed based off worship of a fertility god.
Use of reasoning ability's is a gift, use it wisely.
The worst thing about being raised without birthdays wasn't that I couldn't have a party, but because I didn't know how to logically explain to my peers why I didn't celebrate it, or why I didn't wish them a Happy Birthday. It never made sense to me.
For me I understood why. It made sense to me then. But a child will believe anything its told, even if its told about tooth fairies and easter bunnies. Tell a kid that birthdays are evil and they will believe you. That's why the Bible says to become like little children - because it's little children who are gullible enough to swallow such nonsense.
I don't hate JWs, and I don't think I've ever expressed such. JWs, for the most part, are some of the nicest people you could hope to meet. It is a shame, however, that the Watchtower organization exerts such pressure on its members that they must cast away and shun friends and family members who have transgressed in some small way, or for expressing differing ideas or questions concerning the organization.
Often these people have no other means of social support, due to the organization's strict doctrines concerning non-association with anyone outside of the religion. In such cases, the disfellowshipped individual must suffer their loss of social isolation alone, often leading to major depression, PTSD, and other anxiety or mental disorders. Is this the way loving people should behave towards their family and peers?
They went back to how the only references to birthdays in the Bible ended in the death of people. And how Jesus didn't expect the apostles to celebrate his birth so JWs shouldn't either.
It's as if birthdays are wrong based on vague association, and I don't think I'll ever get it.
jehovahs witnesses are being fooled, it's a cult! You will live your life like shit and then you will not go to paradise.. Because it does not exist!!
@alwayscomfortable YOU're RIGHT..it doesn't exist..yet!! The paradise won't exist until after armageddon..and then, it will be a progressive paradise..it will take time to clean the planet and make it a wonderful home.
Aaaaaaand... you did exactly what I said you'd do. You went off on every vaguely related tangent you could think of, without directly approaching the entire point I made.
the wedding ring's exact origin is unclear and that it would linked to any false religious practices whats your problem with it exactly Id like to understand
To wear the wedding ring is not a Christian requirement, therefore, you may choose not to wear it for any reason. But you may choose to wear wedding ring to show that you are married. Everyone can decide under his own conscience because there is no evidence that the wedding ring has to do with any false religious practices.
There's just as much evidence that the wedding ring has to do with false religious practices as there is that birthday celebrations have to do with false religious practices. Somehow you guys comment and comment and comment, but you manage to overlook the entire point I was making.
@utukkuxul This is not true..the rites of birthday celebrations stem from spiritism..many ties to it. But the wedding ring is not known exactly where or how it became a practice..and there is no KNOWN tie to the ring and false worship of false gods..but, with birthday celebrations there are.
I feel so sorry for people growing up jehovah witness...,a weird cult...,cant celebrate christmas,cant celebrate Easter,cant celebrate Halloween,Birthday's..,dont get into an accident where you might need a blood transfusion because its against their religion and they will let you die...,Jehovah Witness should be changed to the no fun religion..
@dhlfh they are lucky ! all of these pagan celebrations are against the only one true God, Jehovah.. everyone who's celebrating these is celebrating Satan the ruler of this world and not the only one true God, our Creator Jehovah- you know it or not..
wedding ring is a question of conscience not an obligatory thing.. that's all
Jehovah witness is a cult...the only two religions that can be traced back the farthest is Catholicism and Judaism..Jehovah was only formed over a hundred years ago...
Poor kids growing up a jehovah winess..sad childhood
Cult leaders are known to use manipulative methods to control the minds of their followers.
Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. Matthew 23:10
JWs follow Jesus Christ as their Leader and as Head of the Christian congregation, and are not manipulated. Grown up children can decide to live as JW or not. Judaism did not accept Jesus Christ as their Leader thats why Jehovah God rejected them and true followers are known from His Holy Name and lifestyle.
Cult members often isolate themselves from family, friends, and even society in general JWs do not live in communes, isolating themselves from relatives and others. Jehovahs Witnesses recognize that it is their Scriptural responsibility to love and care for their families. They live and work with people of all races and religions. When disasters strike, they are quick to respond with relief supplies and other humanitarian assistance.
The Jews rejected Jesus and still waiting for the Messiah: This is the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner. Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved. Acts 4:11. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as TO MISLEAD, if possible, even the chosen ones. Matthew 24:24
Jesus foretold for our day this work: This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14; Only JWs preaching that only Jehovah Gods Kingdom will solve all problems of the humans and reigns from heaven yet and will soon on earth too people who does not not want to believe it will see it latest when Armageddon comes.
Christ did not mix in politics. He told Pilate that his kingdom was no part of the world (John 18:36) or else his followers would have fought to prevent his being delivered up. And said the disciple James: Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God. James 4:4.
But the Catholic Church has for fifteen hundred years mixed in politics; a classic example being the shrewd, cunning and crafty Cardinal Richelieu, his example being so notorious that Roman Catholic-minded Hollywood did not dare portray him as a cardinal for fear of the wrath of the Catholic Church. Could we imagine a Peter, a John, playing the role of a Cardinal Richelieu?
@dhlfh We have lots of fun..I was born and raised catholic..you gotta really blind yourself to it's false teachings if you stay..but most really don't care that much!
Very well thought and presented. This brings some really good points to the discussion table since it is JW practice to stay away from everthing pagan. I never could quite understand how it was okay to celebrate your wedding anniversary but not the day in which your were blessed to be born on this wonderful earth that God created. I was baptized as a JW at the age of 14. My dad was an elder /pioneer so I have been well saturated in the JW teaching and beliefs. Still searching for the truth.
Well a wedding anniversary is not Pagan, but the wedding ring exchange arguably is. I say "arguably," but things such as birthday celebrations are arguably Pagan too. Since both are only arguable, then it's logical that they should both be a personal "conscience" decision.
Jehovahs Witnesses believe that Jehovah is the almighty God and dont hide His Holy Name like the catholic Pope banned it! „For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Romans 10:13,14
How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things! Romans 10:15
I am also sorry you think I am purposely ignoring your questions, I could say that you are ignoring my answers as you dont refer to them, which I find strange, you only focus on the negative that you perceive and I certainly dont mean to be negative at all. There is also some misinformation.
I will if you like, attempt to answer the questions again for you, but if the answers need substantial replies with texts etc, I will say so, so that the observers you refer to can choose then, to go to the horses mouth, (ask the Witnesses who call on them or that they see or write to the Bethel, HQ in Brooklyn, New York) as mentioned earlier, ok?
Sorry for the lateness of this reply, I haven't logged in in a while. I have not ignored any of your answers - all your answers have amounted to "let us come teach you" or "you've misunderstood."
Let's make this simple and focus on one thing: you said Witnesses have evidence of God, and that the Bible is God's book. Forget everything else I asked. Give me your evidence that there is a God.
Hey - good to see that you are still about. I wondered what had happened. Well, yes if you like, I can give you conclusive evidence that there definitely is a God. Quite a biggie subject for these few lines here, but I will have a go and see how I get on - where to start is the question.. lol... anyways, you have set me a little mini project, which I am happy to do. Give me a few days and I will put some facts together for you and your readers too. Kind regards.
You know, Ive met Mormons and Scientologists and they dont come over as anything like the Witnesses in their work first off, the Scientologists are solely after your money and that I know from personal experience and the Mormons only see it fit to preach their message for 2 years and neither, adhere to the Bible sadly and there is loads more to say, but space wont allow it for all the things I could mention. Suffice it to say, a Witness work is a life long work and its done for free!
As for broadcasting a discussion had on Skype, I wouldnt mind at all being recorded but as for video, thats not for me. As you refer to outside observers, who may be affected, most will know that a full judgement can only be made after having all the facts presented and videos alone also, would not give nearly enough time to cover all the bases necessary anyway, nor will they do the subject the justice it merits.
As stated before, it can take up to 6 months or more for a person to complete a free home bible study and have all the basic questions answered with texts plus any extras and as we follow the pattern of the first cen Christians, we do that in the privacy of peoples homes if they want it or elsewhere if that is difficult. Again, let me know what you think, this could be interesting.
Hi there I am sorry I havent been clear enough. Its the first time I have responded on Youtube to someone on this subject so, it has proven difficult for me to cover every point in responses here for you in the paragraphs that only allow a certain number of characters per post.
I am here filling in the little box and then I get a message that says, I have over posted. LOL So, if you would like, I would be willing to correspond with you by email? Perhaps then I could answer your questions better or even speak to you on Skype, if you like.
That may be easier for us both - I am really sorry if I have misunderstood you and sorry to hear I sound like a sales person. I love my product I guess, but obviously I am not helpful and succinct enough or clear enough for you. I think that its the medium and perhaps, my wanting to say so much and then not saying not enough is my problem. Let me know what you would like to do. Kind regards.
I don't think it's the medium at all - you are simply ignoring my questions. I will be happy to re-type them if that would make it easier to respond to each one. I didn't have many.
I never discuss such matters in private, as I feel it is a waste of time. The discussions I have are generally for the benefit of others - I am pretty sure you will not be swayed by anything I have to say, but there are outside observers who might be swayed one way or another. (cont)
Because of this, I always have any discussion or debate(and I feel this is more of a discussion than a debate as I'm sure you'll agree) in public, either in the comment, in a video, or whatever. So, while I would have no problem talking via Skype, it would have to be done with the knowledge that I would post it as a video later for the benefit of others.
As for your sales tactics, it isn't you - this is how they teach you to recruit. As I said, Mormons, Moonies and Scientologists are the same.
As a post script - you have, it seems come to the conclusion that the Bible, is not from God. The Witnesses can prove categorically that it is. That's the challenge that any Witness would be happy to take up with you and for you. The ball will always be in your court though while there is time, you have the options. It will cost you nothing but your time and what you do with the information is then up to you to do with as you will.
"It will cost you nothing but your time and what you do with the information is then up to you to do with as you will."
Why on earth would I ask these people over to my house, when you can't even answer any of the simple questions you've been asked on here? If you can't type out a coherent answer here, there's no way in Hell I'm inviting a bunch of you into my home. So far you haven't answered a single question I've asked. Color me unimpressed and underwhelmed.
I do sales for a living, and what you're doing now is a sales pitch. A salesman who wants to ream out a lead will avoid answering questions, instead trying to close the sale, brushing away the questions as irrelevant or to be answered later. That's what you're doing. You're refusing to answer anything I've asked, instead saying you can send some salesmen to my house to help me read stuff I've already read before.
Sorry, if you can't answer my questions here then forget it.
Well, it has been an interesting interaction with you, if nothing else. Seems we can go nowhere together. You wont take up my offers, or follow any suggestions so, I think we will have to go our separate ways at this juncture. Nice to have spoken you though. Maybe just one point, Witnesses dont smoke, and it doesnt say dont smoke in the bible either.
"The Witnesses can prove categorically that it is."
No you can't or you would have already. All JWs claim this, then when asked for evidence they start waffling and avoiding the point, just like you did when I asked you what info I left out of my video.
"That's the challenge that any Witness would be happy to take up with you and for you."
That's why you're running away right now, and why all JWs run away when asked to present this evidence that you're all supposedly so happy to offer.
Its on principle that its not done. So by the same token worship / as smoking that can be harming to others, you and your relationship with God, is not carried out either. God doesnt want us to damage our bodies or those of others. Birthdays is a harmful form of idolatrous worship and even though it looks harmless to participants, it is anything but. Take good care.
"Birthdays is a harmful form of idolatrous worship"
No, it isn't. It's a celebration of being alive, something JWs hate because their only joy in life is waiting for God to take vengeance on the world and kill billions. You can claim it's "idolatrous worship" but can you prove it?
"You wont take up my offers"
What offers? To go read your literature that I've already read? I've asked you multiple questions that you've completely ignored, and I'm not going to re-read the same stuff over and over.
P.S. I think 2 things the conduct of the ones who you had bad experiences from denote immaturity or perhaps as with Nelly, maybe she is not a Witness at all. It certainly doesnt look very nice does it and I am very sorry that you have had to contend with that. The other thing is, we are running out of time I say this because if you are truly interested in truth and salvation then you must search for it while it is still available.
"not so good to read you have now become an atheist because of that?"
No, I became an atheist because I realized there was not a shred of evidence whatsoever that any such being as God, or any god, exists or ever has existed. Reading the Bible destroyed my faith in the Bible; researching various religions, sciences, and searching for evidence of God led me to be an atheist.
What matters is how Jehovah views things and that also concerns our conduct and if someone were to turn away someone because of their conduct, they will have to answer for that. But the question is will your love for God be swayed by a human who doesnt show you respect. The Witnesses get abuse and ridicule everywhere and still preach incessantly irregardless. So .. Dont let the conduct of someone turn you away from God himself as he is not responsible. Ok? Kind regards, once again.
You don't understand. I've read the entry on birthdays. I understand the WT's logic, and I find it to be nonsense. So some pagans did bad stuff on birthdays - so what? You're seriously telling me that God dictated a massive book of rules, and yet didn't bother to include a single line saying "Do not celebrate birthdays" but instead chose to imply it through listing some signicant, yet tragic events? No offense, but do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
I made a video that uses the same logic used to condemn birthdays and shows that cards and dice should not be owned by Christians. Isn't it odd that I can use the same logic that is used to excuse wedding rings to support birthday celebrations, and I can use the same logic that is used to condemn birthdays to condemn dice and cards? Since all have pagan origins and can be linked to occultism and wrongdoing, shouldn't all three either be condemned, excused, or accepted as conscience issues?
Hi there again, I looked for the people you listed on the Lovingkindnesses video here on YT and only found one, Nelly and she does not look like a witness to me, but I could be wrong. I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences. Anyhow, nice to read you have read the Bible, but not so good to read you have now become an atheist because of that?
I dont understand that at all. All the more reason to get a study arranged for yourself, so you can have someone direct you to the correct texts etc. With regard birthdays, they are not given good press in the Bible as you may know murders having been committed on those days by non worshippers etc, but it goes further than that,
There is, in addition loads of data that you need to consider with regard to the celebration of birthdays, which is accessible to you in a book Jehovahs Witnesses produce called the Reasoning from the Scriptures book. Its a helpmeet that is used in the ministry. It gives, as its title denotes, reasons for doctrines sourced in the Bible that are followed by the Witnesses.
If you can get yourself a copy hey, I just located one on Ebay (or ask a Witness next time you see one, to show you one, that would be very helpful to you, I think. I just googled once, birthdays, and came up with pages and pages and some is on the reasoning behind why Witnesses dont celebrate, but again, not all the info is there.
You really need to go to the horses mouth if you like, and get someone to come to you or arrange to have a study somewhere with a Witness, as it really is the only way you can get all your bases covered you know? I have said already that there are no worship connections that I know of, involved in wedding rings, if there are, it is extremely obscure and not carried on today.
"get someone to come to you or arrange to have a study somewhere with a Witness"
Question: why would I study a specific Christian denomination when I don't believe in religion or God at all? Shouldn't I, you know, actually believe God exists and that He wrote a book before I decide which denomination is the right one? Frankly, I don't see any point I've made here that you couldn't dispute right here, without sending someone to my house.
Whereas, for a cross there is as there is on birthdays and Christmas too. So summing up, getting the full picture I think is important for you and then you can make a correct value judgment on the whole thing its available to you and its free so, I would go for it if I were you and if you are really interested in getting the full story about this subject. Kind regards to you.
---Hi there again and you are welcome vis' the feedback --- My reply starts at this one, then I've done it backwards so you can read from the top down.
And the other thing is that any Witness would be happy to be challenged as you put it. Your very life is at stake if it is, as the Bible says, Jehovah is going to bring an end to this system of things. (Prov 2: 21,22) So, I know that if I lived close to you, I would consider it a privilege to share all that I know or it could be arranged that a male Witness come I would def ask to come along !
Another thing thats good to remember is that the Witnesses havent always held the same beliefs. For example, they used to celebrate birthdays, Christmas etc, even wore crosses, but when they were found to be not compatible, with Bible principles, they were discareded. Smoking too, incidentally.
So their understanding has been progressive, if you like, over the years. Balance is also important and a persons conscience comes into play there may be those who refuse to wear a wedding ring because of its connections what also has to weighed up is whether the item is used in a worshipful way. Each person has to make their own decision.
A cross, on the other hand, can be a phallic symbol and we all know that the phallus was worshipped in older days, so witnesses would not wear that around their necks, nor would they want to be wearing the would be torture method that the churches teach killed their leader, Jesus Christ. These are just a few things considered. There are so many others. All the pieces of the puzzle have to be in situ, so you can see the whole picture only then you can make a fair value judgment for yourself.
"A cross, on the other hand, can be a phallic symbol and we all know that the phallus was worshipped in older days"
So is the stake. Just check out the obelisks of Egypt, the asherah poles mentioned in the OT, etc. Though I know you don't wear those around your necks. I could sit and debate about the cross and its uses but it's a nonissue to me anyway.
It is a very interesting subject and the Bible is almost like a bottomless book, you learn forever from it. It has a timeless quality about it, along with its basic teachings of course. But it is of great value to those who choose to live by it and of course, as said at the outset, it tells of what Jehovah is going to do shortly, to cleanse this earth and neither you nor I can check his hand.
"the Witnesses havent always held the same beliefs....they used to celebrate birthdays, Christmas etc, even wore crosses, but when they were found to be not compatible, with Bible principles, they were discareded."
I'm well aware. Rutherford started all that as a means to exert more control over people. It's the same reason he did away with Russell's teaching of a nearly universal salvation.
Rutherford was an alcoholic who bootlegged alcohol during prohibition and had a mansion built for himself on contributions from his JWs. Trust me, I'm very educated on the history of your teachings. You're not talking to an ignorant rube.
But what we can do is find out how to be on the right side when the things promised, come to fruition I can only encourage you get yourself a Bible study and check everything out. Its free and I know any Witness would be only too happy to assist you with that. After you have done that, you make your own decision.
"There is no way that in just a few minutes of a video, you can present the subject and ALL the relevant information." Once again - if you have some input that would invalidate what I say in the video, please present it.
"And the other thing is that any Witness would be happy to be challenged as you put it."
Have you checked out my "Lovingkindness" videos? One of the last JWs I spoke to told me they could do nothing for me because "God has given up on me."
"there may be those who refuse to wear a wedding ring because of its connections what also has to weighed up is whether the item is used in a worshipful way."
My point with this video is that all the ways the WTS defends wedding rings could be used to defend birthday celebrations. Instead of dancing around the issue, could you at the very least acknowledge that my point here is valid?
"I can only encourage you get yourself a Bible study and check everything out."
I've studied the Bible, and religion in general, all my life. It is studying the Bible that led me to stop believing it; it was my study of other religions and so forth, at least in part, which led me to become an atheist. Believe me, I could debate the Bible with you till the proverbial cows come home.
Hi there again and you are welcome vis' the feedback - your reply came into my email, so I thought I would just concur with the Jehovah's Witnesses who have replied. You may not know this but to study the Bible, for just the basics, can take up to 6 months. That's looking at a lot of scriptures, hundreds, cross checking etc. So that is what I meant. There is no way that in just a few minutes of a video, you can present the subject and ALL the relevant information. That's why I suggested a study.
I will also have a number of replies. If I had WMM on this computer I'd make a video responding, since this is a very long conversation, but unfortunately I had to reinstall this system with Windows 2000 which does not have a movie maker.
No... I wont write back to you to berate you and to accuse someone I don't know, of apostasy that would be unfair. I can only see from what you write and what you want to say and the videos. In all fairness, you have not presented ALL the facts for your viewers and to them who are none the wiser, it looks to them, like you have which is a shame for them. You don't need me to tell you that. They though have the option to go to the true source. No more to say really. Thanks for your replies.
Nah, most of the JWs that come on here say I haven't given all the facts, then when I challenge them to do so they don't. I have presented all the facts, and you don't like that.
...........MOST IMPORTANTLY, it doesnt change the overall theme of the Bible or Gods purpose toward man, which is what you and all of earths inhabitants must really be urgently concerned with and know about so once again, Jehovahs blessing in your research and study.
I don't need the magical superpowers of a fictional entity from another dimension to help me understand what I read, though this helps explain why you guys seem to have so much trouble doing so.
Just another 2 quick comments May I suggest that you avail yourself to a complete Bible study with Jehovahs Witnesses, this time asking God privately in prayer, not the witness, to show you the things you need to be sure about? Be patient. Not everything is immediately understandable to a new student of the Bible, but with time, you come to understand that Jehovahs Witnesses dont have all the answers and that ..........
"Just another 2 quick comments May I suggest that you avail yourself to a complete Bible study with Jehovahs Witnesses"
Do ANY of you have ANY reading comprehension skills at all? All the evidence I have presented to you has been from your OWN publications. Why would I ask one of your fellow cultists to come "explain" it to me, while praying to his phony cult god, if I've already read the materials and thoroughly debunked them? You guys truly have a one track mind.
If you really are searching for truth then you will take my advice, but if your objective is actually to foment contention, you will ignore it. It remains to be seen how you will respond now. It will always up to you. Remember, Jehovah is patient with you, as he is with us all. The ball will always be in your court. He forces no one. Its only whats in our hearts that will condemn us. Take care and use the brain that Jehovah gave you and choose to put it to good use and may Jehovah bless you.
"If you really are searching for truth then you will take my advice, but if your objective is actually to foment contention, you will ignore it. It remains to be seen how you will respond now."
You're funny. I've already searched for truth, and found it. You're just bitter because I found your truth to be nonsense and made videos exposing your "truth" as lies. Now write back making a fuss and calling me an apostate and telling me God will kill me.
Do you think Jehovah is happy with that kind of conduct and do you think any will want to learn from you, if that is how you speak to them and others? Defeats your objectives in my opinion. Detracts from the message. Speak with knowledge, teach with authority using all the info available, and respect, then and only then can you start to hope to each others. You have questions? Do the research then make your choices, but not before, that's just silly.
And as for being disrespectful to those who in your opinion, deserve disrespect. You should know that as Christians, we dont fight, we are gentle toward all, we dont go reviling in return, but we know how to give an answer, as the text says. You dont gain anyone by being nasty to them but quite the reverse. Your swearing is a mirror of you and that is the image you wish to portray to all and its not very pretty.
"Do you think Jehovah is happy with that kind of conduct"
LMAO, no, I think Jehovah is a voice in your head.
"Do the research"
I did do the research and I've presented it in my videos. So far all any JW has been able to do is either call me names and make fun of me(that's that "gentleness" thing you claim you guys are) or completely ignore any points I've made and babble on about nothing(which is what you've chosen to do).
Hi there once again, well, I can only suggest you re-read the posts (mine) then you will find out where to find the info you need - if you choose not to go there, then go to your local Library and do research, this information is not hidden from public view and no I don't 'do as I am told', or 'regurgitate'. I act and speak with my own reasoning, forethought and as a free moral agent with knowledge otherwise I couldn't answer you. I can only encourage you to post what is true, that is all.
It also seems that you have chosen not to remember that according to the Scriptures (the Bible) and Jehovahs spirit directed earthly organization and governing body, we are all accountable to him alone for our actions. In a court of law, ALL evidence has to be weighed in the balances and you have not supplied all the facts here for your viewers and therefore your presented case is found deficient. You alone are accountable for that, in Jehovahs eyes.
With regard to the issue of birthdays, it may be helpful if you do quite a bit more research on the subject and also look into the origins of gift giving, candles, greetings etc., on that particular day, because otherwise you are just simply misleading the viewers of your video on that topic. If you used to attend meetings I am sure the Reasoning Book and WT pubs, will give you lots more info on the subject of birthdays, than the tid-bits of what you only present here. :)
Your debating the issue of the wedding ring reminds me of one of Jesus illustrations about straining out the gnat but gulping down the camel and I am sure you will remember that the Jewish leaders of that time wouldnt allow the killing a flea as it would be considered work on the Sabbath? I hope you get the illustrative comparisons made.
Thank you for taking the time to make a video on matters you find contradictory. The commentary is interesting although a little confusing and you also contradict yourself. I also note that you swear and cuss and are disrespectful in some of your written replies to folks. I am inclined to think that if you were really sincerely one who wanted to worship God in a way that had His approval, you would not allow yourself to do such, as it would be repugnant or abhorrent to you.
Where in my video did I contradict myself? Where is this info that I am supposedly "not providing?" By the WT's own logic, there is nothing wrong with birthday celebrations since all the same arguments made against those can be made against wedding rings. You're simply regurgitating the WT's teachings without thinking about it, because that's what they train you to do.
And yes, I am disrespectful to people who deserve disrespect. Sucks for them, they are free to leave my channel any time.
ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh i get it now. It took me 4 of your videos, 5 days worth of discussion with you, and hundreds of comments to see that you bag on us cuz youve observed us before:)
sorry, im kinda thick you know. thank you for your time trying to explain it to me. All the halls ive been to are very kind which one did you go too? In fact, when ever i host a party i mostly invite jw cuz i dont have to worry about them instigating anything. plz reply, im curious.
I told you that I used to attend. That should have made it clear. As I said, I "bag" on you because I was one of you. Had I been raised a Catholic, I'd "bag" on them.
The last party thrown by JWs I went to was back when I was a kid. I remember the other JW kids basically just ignored me and a few made fun of me. I spent most of the party sitting in another room by myself.
ahah no im not studying,lol i was raised in the truth... but im just not sure wht to make of my life yet,lol but yeah im not trying to be disrespectfula at all, like i defenatly share simaler oppions as u, lol how old r u?
You can ask as many questions as you want, as you are so far the only JW to have been halfway respectful towards me(though you seem to only be studying).
Your question is not as cut and dried as it seems. Am I happy? Not really, but there is more to it than that. First of all, happiness is not a gauge of truth. I would be happier knowing there weren't starving, abused children in the world, but that doesn't make it so. Secondly, I am happier than I was as a JW.
well u kinda have to be in a group becuase jesus did say to preach the word n stuff, so it wud be hard to do tht by ur self, meetings n all the association is there to help n ingourgae i guess,lol but u do bring a gud point when they point the finger at other religions thts not right.
You don't have to be in a group to preach the word. That's silly. You don't need groups and practice sessions and magazines. All you need is your mouth and a damn Bible. If God's word can't stand on it's own without multiple weekly meetings, elaborate plans, magazines, and hardcover supplemental books then I am not impressed with God's word. If I were a Christian I'd be offended at the implication.
You don't have a relationship with God when you need an organization to have one. I don't remember Jesus saying you needed to join some special club to talk to his dad.
At any rate, I don't let how they handle things get in the way of my relationship with the voices in my head, either, so I know how you feel.
So is every other religion, but they're the first to point the finger and level accusations. "Catholics do this, Lutherans do that, Presbyterians are like this, Baptists are like that, this religion used to do this, that religion used to do that," on and on. Yet as soon as someone points out something goofy they used to do or believe, or something messed up they do, it's "Well we are imperfect!" Well whoopie.
wow thts a big assumtion, cuase it doesnt make me feel better,lol:p so ur not in any other religon.... so why is it tht ur only bashin witnesses,lol like hindus have over 2 million gods, u cant find any of them to speak about? lol doesnt rlly matter im just curious.
Nonsense, it does make you feel better or you wouldn't bother. It gives you the myth of eternal life in your future which in turn gives meaning to the meaninglessness of your existence.
As for the Hindu gods, first of all I wasn't raised a Hindu. There are other people that know more about those gods and are better equipped to debunk them. Same with Catholics, Scientologists, etc. Secondly, it's not Hindus that push their religion down anyone's throats, so they are less important to me.
ahah, no lol like presently reproved i have been for almost 6 months, like im slightly undecided about wht i belive, but i just think tht if i had kids i wud want them to be in the jehovah witness inviroment becuase its friendly n loving for the most part,lol. ok fair enough... so u were raised as a jehovah witness?
This has been flagged as spam show
LET ME TELL YOU BUDDIES...the jehovah's witnesses is a fanatical cult. This is FACT from one who was brainwashed into their fanatical dogma from birth. They are a dangerous group. This cult destroys lives, families! The only difference between them and the taliban, are the guns and bombs. The jehovah's witnesses weapons are their brainwashing skills. The watchtower, bible and track society decides what dogma to teach and the people are brainwashed into believing the SHIT is the truth. EVIL
jonathonlb 1 week ago
My family has been associated with the witnesses every since my Grandfather was stationed in the navy in Philly. He was an honorary pall bearer for JPJ. I am not a witness but I am associated due to my family. What motivates a person like you to do what you do? It reminds me of a harrison ford movie. The bad guys were punking out the amish. Can you give it a fuggin rest amigo?
TheAdmiralsemmes 1 month ago
I totally agree! I'm an ex jw and I used the same logic to justify celebrating birthdays!!
52flipflop 3 months ago
excellent points
dimpless4545 5 months ago
@worldhistory2011 Wow, I was raised a JW and I never knew that. I just assumed that you'd get punished.
tubian323 7 months ago
You raise some great points and I agree with you 100%, but I'm pretty sure a JW would still be "couseled" or disfellowshipped for celebrating their birthday.
tubian323 7 months ago
If you look up birthdays in the encyclopedia you will come to realize that Christians did not celebrate birthdays as they viewed them as pagan. So if you lived in the first century with peter, Paul, john and so forth they would have not celebrated any birthday.
JUMONGI2011 7 months ago
excellently worded!
trailerfitter2 8 months ago
Eccleciastes 7:2-4, "Better is it to go to the HOUSE OF MOURNING than to the banquet house, because that is the end of all mankind; and the one alive should take (it) to his heart". verse 4, "The heart of the WISE ONES is in the HOUSE OF MOURNING, but the heart of the STUPID ONES IS IN THE HOUSE OF REJOICING." We do not TWIST scriptures as video claims. We simply chose to be WISE ONES, not stupid ones. We don't celebrate life every year. We Celebrate Jesus' DEATH, he told us to Luke 22:19..
eternityandforever 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
CHRISTMAS IS NOT REALLY JESUS' BIRTHDAY.Read Matthew, Mark, Luke in bible about 2/3 of way through bible.They never give a date of his birth.Jesus never celebrated his birthday.HE DID TELL US TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH at Luke 22:19.We keep his Memorial-Jehovah's Witnesses follow exactly what Jesus tells us. The bible says celebrate DEATH-Eccleciastes 7:1-8, verse 4,"The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing."BIBLE IS TRUTH.
eternityandforever 9 months ago
I never read anywhere in the bible where it says that God approves of any form of rings. Actually women who were well adorned with jewelry and mackup were compared to harlots and jezebels and God was very angry at the Isrealites for keeping the practices they learnt in Egypt and the jewelry they turned into a golden calf. I say, if the bible doesnt say we should do it, then y r we doing it wetha pagan or not?
TheJunkenQueen 1 year ago
Oh Before i sign off with you 4ever, ILL say one last thing. These FACTs can only be fully understood by those poor souls who were almost "SUCKED DRY" by the WTBTS and many religons Orgs similiar to it.These poor souls are still picking up the mental pieces while lower underlings, like you defend the indefensible. The Pharisees (Governing Body) doesnt need you to protect them,and sense your NOT one I have quarrel with you. Peace be with you...
sovern009 1 year ago
1. If you had a beef with my religon, I really wouldnt mind. Your relationship with God is really between you and God.2.If you didnt get my spider story;I can not help you. 3.Unlike you, Im not so arrogant to say that story couldnt apply to me also.God chosen people fell away from God how may times? This couldnt happen to a Corp-religon that claim to be with God?4.Been nice chatting with you but I see your JW Hr meter running;Not off of me!Call me Apostate an damn me to Your Hell.Its ok..
sovern009 1 year ago
Generally, we try to stay away from things that directly tie to pagan worship..birthday candles, cakes, gift giving, well wishes, etc..all are tied to direct spiritism. I would ask..is there anything tying wedding rings directly to pagan worship? Or, was it simply a custom..what exactly ARE the origins and the reasons?
brofun 1 year ago
Its all about the money.WTBTS considers celebrations and holidays competition for covetted limited resources from their followers who should be using those resources purchasing their literature.Its a very ingenious system of CORPORATE RELIGOUS EXPLOITATION. In reality all you need is the bible;but you cant make billions of TAX-EXEMPT dollars off of one book. You got to make lots of diiferent books for that. STOP "DONATING" for their lit,BUY ONE BIBLE NO MORE.
sovern009 1 year ago
@sovern009 This is ridiculous. Knowledge is not your enemy...ignorance is.
brofun 1 year ago
@brofun There one thing worse than "ignorance".. Its call PROPAGANDA an its half cousin TRIVIA. None of which is good for anything. Knowledge has tought me that TRUTH can hurt INNOCENT people who dont understand deception.
sovern009 1 year ago
@sovern009 You are making grandeos statements..why not a little bit of fact along with them. Were you hurt by the truth in some way?..and if so..give me the details..and let's discuss it. Would you have that ignorance is bliss somehow? Knowledge IS your friend..ignorance is not. If truth hurts..then it's the kind of hurt that in the long run will yeild fruit that is good..but, lies, deception etc, will never bring good fruit.
brofun 1 year ago
@brofun 1.If you want facts I suggest you study indepth (cross-check references) and do a real investigation on your Corp-religon.2.Non of your concern3.No i said PROPAGANDA "can be" Bliss if one dosnt investigate indepth.4 Sounds alot like Hitlers "strong medicine" view. 5."but, lies, deception etc, will never bring good fruit".Your RIGHT! WBTS bears no fruit, only inner-pain an sufering,and a good propaganda campaign to deflect the REAL TRUTH about their DECEPTION.
sovern009 1 year ago
@sovern00 You speak in generalitiies..I could say the same things about whatever religion you are. By the way..what denomination are you? As for bliss doesn't investigate?..I'm not a blissful person..I chekc out everything..and did. Now..ifyou want to converse..start conversing about the bible and truth. These poor generalizations are the words of someone who is short on facts and reasoning..give a shot..you might learn something! Or I might! But..I won't learn anything with generlization
brofun 1 year ago
@brofun A Spider never kills its prey. Its put is victims to Sleep and SUCKS THEM DRY.Spiders use a vast array of DECEPTION (Propaganda) to attract unsuspecting prey. I believe most prey are in a quite blissful state more so in the TRAP. When caught in its "Web" I wonder if the prey is saying "this aint so bad, this doesnt hurt"." I will follow the Spider", (WTBTS) the prey says," to PARADISE EARTH",(drug effect of the venom).Most pedaters are very sharp. They usually have a good legal dept too.
sovern009 1 year ago
@sovern009 ok..you like illustrations..but, you gotta make the illustration fit! You give your opinion..but without any facts! You don't respond to points. STart conversing and reasoning on reasons why..and, I assume you consider yourself a christian..so, start using your bible to prove your points. You do use the bible..right?...and keep things focused..not general.
brofun 1 year ago
Lipstick has not only pagan but sexual origin (Babylonian I recall) but every witnesses woman I've ever known wears lipstick. Hypocrites!
icelandlava 1 year ago
The same could be said for Christmas. Actually the same could be said for all aspects of life if. What ever you do in word od deed do all in the name of the lord.
o0lBobl0o 1 year ago
It says in the bible not to celebrate anything but the passover. Thats why they don't celebrate birthdays. The only people who celebrated birthdays in the bible were enemies of god. :) If you had stated your argument without twisting someones words for your own ends it would have been far more beneficial. Maybe thats why the person said don't respond. anyway wb.
thongdongalong 1 year ago
talking to jw is like talking to paint on the wall
2hottric 1 year ago
@2hottric Really? How many JW have you given the time to talk to without trying to insult them?
thongdongalong 1 year ago
Not only are wedding rings of Pagan origin but also the wearing of white bridal dresses, veils, wedding cakes and giving toasts and wedding gifts, but the Watchtower Organisation allows all of these practices.
Cremating the dead is a pagan practice and forbidden in the Bible except under certain circumstances, but again, the Watchtower organisation allows this.
celtusguy 1 year ago
@celtusguy What scripture forbids creamation? I'd like to read it.
brofun 1 year ago
i never wore a wedding ring in 15 years of marriage.
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
Wow the lady was an idiot and not a good representative. :D hehehe!
ricpride 1 year ago
Let me ask you this, do you believe it offends god to make a promise to a woman, and to publicly declare that promise with a ring? The ring being a symbol of that promise?
Now, does it offend god to celebrate pagan holidays that are based on worshiping "other gods"? Easter is indeed based off worship of a fertility god.
Use of reasoning ability's is a gift, use it wisely.
ArtOfDale 1 year ago
All religions have pagan roots...very good points made in this video.
inspirediam 1 year ago
excellent presentation as usual!
mrbarthoss 1 year ago
The worst thing about being raised without birthdays wasn't that I couldn't have a party, but because I didn't know how to logically explain to my peers why I didn't celebrate it, or why I didn't wish them a Happy Birthday. It never made sense to me.
cridantis 2 years ago
For me I understood why. It made sense to me then. But a child will believe anything its told, even if its told about tooth fairies and easter bunnies. Tell a kid that birthdays are evil and they will believe you. That's why the Bible says to become like little children - because it's little children who are gullible enough to swallow such nonsense.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
@cridantis
I find it amazing how much hate there is for Jehovahs' Witnesses
zenwhiley 2 months ago
@zenwhiley
I don't hate JWs, and I don't think I've ever expressed such. JWs, for the most part, are some of the nicest people you could hope to meet. It is a shame, however, that the Watchtower organization exerts such pressure on its members that they must cast away and shun friends and family members who have transgressed in some small way, or for expressing differing ideas or questions concerning the organization.
cridantis 1 month ago
@zenwhiley
Often these people have no other means of social support, due to the organization's strict doctrines concerning non-association with anyone outside of the religion. In such cases, the disfellowshipped individual must suffer their loss of social isolation alone, often leading to major depression, PTSD, and other anxiety or mental disorders. Is this the way loving people should behave towards their family and peers?
cridantis 1 month ago
Thank you for this video. I plan on showing this info to my JW parents to see what they think.
cridantis 2 years ago
Judging by the comments here, I predict they'll just fire off a couple inane excuses, but good luck.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
@utukkuxul
You were right. It was worth a shot though.
cridantis 2 years ago
haha... what were their excuses, out of curiosity? That wedding rings are a "conscience matter" so suddenly they're absolved of all their paganism?
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Comment removed
cridantis 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@utukkuxul
They went back to how the only references to birthdays in the Bible ended in the death of people. And how Jesus didn't expect the apostles to celebrate his birth so JWs shouldn't either.
It's as if birthdays are wrong based on vague association, and I don't think I'll ever get it.
cridantis 2 years ago
Comment removed
Faridishere 2 years ago
jehovahs witnesses are being fooled, it's a cult! You will live your life like shit and then you will not go to paradise.. Because it does not exist!!
alwayscomfortable 2 years ago
@alwayscomfortable YOU're RIGHT..it doesn't exist..yet!! The paradise won't exist until after armageddon..and then, it will be a progressive paradise..it will take time to clean the planet and make it a wonderful home.
brofun 1 year ago
Hey, probably Jesus would do with you the same like you wrote at 2:12 - haha - don't you think, dear ?
JWThe 2 years ago
Aaaaaaand... you did exactly what I said you'd do. You went off on every vaguely related tangent you could think of, without directly approaching the entire point I made.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
I'm not superstitious - but many people are superstitious and are shocked if you're taking off your wedding ring..
naturally if I would have a wedding ring.. but I have not got one because I'm not married hahaha -
I don't think it is important to wear a wedding ring even if it is adopted in my country..
and lots of people are shocked in my country if you are married and you do not wear it vow hahaha
what do you say ?
JWThe 2 years ago
if I would be married and my wedding ring would bother you..
..in your presence I would take it off because I don't wanna shock you
even if there is a superstition : you're taking off your wedding ring your marriage does not last long...
JWThe 2 years ago
the wedding ring's exact origin is unclear and that it would linked to any false religious practices whats your problem with it exactly Id like to understand
JWThe 2 years ago
To wear the wedding ring is not a Christian requirement, therefore, you may choose not to wear it for any reason. But you may choose to wear wedding ring to show that you are married. Everyone can decide under his own conscience because there is no evidence that the wedding ring has to do with any false religious practices.
JWThe 2 years ago
There's just as much evidence that the wedding ring has to do with false religious practices as there is that birthday celebrations have to do with false religious practices. Somehow you guys comment and comment and comment, but you manage to overlook the entire point I was making.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
@utukkuxul This is not true..the rites of birthday celebrations stem from spiritism..many ties to it. But the wedding ring is not known exactly where or how it became a practice..and there is no KNOWN tie to the ring and false worship of false gods..but, with birthday celebrations there are.
brofun 1 year ago
I feel so sorry for people growing up jehovah witness...,a weird cult...,cant celebrate christmas,cant celebrate Easter,cant celebrate Halloween,Birthday's..,dont get into an accident where you might need a blood transfusion because its against their religion and they will let you die...,Jehovah Witness should be changed to the no fun religion..
dhlfh 2 years ago
@dhlfh they are lucky ! all of these pagan celebrations are against the only one true God, Jehovah.. everyone who's celebrating these is celebrating Satan the ruler of this world and not the only one true God, our Creator Jehovah- you know it or not..
wedding ring is a question of conscience not an obligatory thing.. that's all
JWThe 2 years ago
Jehovah witness is a cult...the only two religions that can be traced back the farthest is Catholicism and Judaism..Jehovah was only formed over a hundred years ago...
Poor kids growing up a jehovah winess..sad childhood
dhlfh 2 years ago
Cult leaders are known to use manipulative methods to control the minds of their followers.
Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. Matthew 23:10
JWs follow Jesus Christ as their Leader and as Head of the Christian congregation, and are not manipulated. Grown up children can decide to live as JW or not. Judaism did not accept Jesus Christ as their Leader thats why Jehovah God rejected them and true followers are known from His Holy Name and lifestyle.
JWThe 2 years ago
Cult members often isolate themselves from family, friends, and even society in general JWs do not live in communes, isolating themselves from relatives and others. Jehovahs Witnesses recognize that it is their Scriptural responsibility to love and care for their families. They live and work with people of all races and religions. When disasters strike, they are quick to respond with relief supplies and other humanitarian assistance.
JWThe 2 years ago
The Jews rejected Jesus and still waiting for the Messiah: This is the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner. Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved. Acts 4:11. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as TO MISLEAD, if possible, even the chosen ones. Matthew 24:24
JWThe 2 years ago
Jesus foretold for our day this work: This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14; Only JWs preaching that only Jehovah Gods Kingdom will solve all problems of the humans and reigns from heaven yet and will soon on earth too people who does not not want to believe it will see it latest when Armageddon comes.
JWThe 2 years ago
Christ did not mix in politics. He told Pilate that his kingdom was no part of the world (John 18:36) or else his followers would have fought to prevent his being delivered up. And said the disciple James: Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God. James 4:4.
JWThe 2 years ago
But the Catholic Church has for fifteen hundred years mixed in politics; a classic example being the shrewd, cunning and crafty Cardinal Richelieu, his example being so notorious that Roman Catholic-minded Hollywood did not dare portray him as a cardinal for fear of the wrath of the Catholic Church. Could we imagine a Peter, a John, playing the role of a Cardinal Richelieu?
JWThe 2 years ago
@dhlfh We have lots of fun..I was born and raised catholic..you gotta really blind yourself to it's false teachings if you stay..but most really don't care that much!
brofun 1 year ago
Very well thought and presented. This brings some really good points to the discussion table since it is JW practice to stay away from everthing pagan. I never could quite understand how it was okay to celebrate your wedding anniversary but not the day in which your were blessed to be born on this wonderful earth that God created. I was baptized as a JW at the age of 14. My dad was an elder /pioneer so I have been well saturated in the JW teaching and beliefs. Still searching for the truth.
hypedigg 2 years ago
Well a wedding anniversary is not Pagan, but the wedding ring exchange arguably is. I say "arguably," but things such as birthday celebrations are arguably Pagan too. Since both are only arguable, then it's logical that they should both be a personal "conscience" decision.
Good luck on your search.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Jehovahs Witnesses believe that Jehovah is the almighty God and dont hide His Holy Name like the catholic Pope banned it! „For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Romans 10:13,14
JWThe 2 years ago
How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things! Romans 10:15
JWThe 2 years ago
I am also sorry you think I am purposely ignoring your questions, I could say that you are ignoring my answers as you dont refer to them, which I find strange, you only focus on the negative that you perceive and I certainly dont mean to be negative at all. There is also some misinformation.
lulubellla 2 years ago
I will if you like, attempt to answer the questions again for you, but if the answers need substantial replies with texts etc, I will say so, so that the observers you refer to can choose then, to go to the horses mouth, (ask the Witnesses who call on them or that they see or write to the Bethel, HQ in Brooklyn, New York) as mentioned earlier, ok?
lulubellla 2 years ago
Sorry for the lateness of this reply, I haven't logged in in a while. I have not ignored any of your answers - all your answers have amounted to "let us come teach you" or "you've misunderstood."
Let's make this simple and focus on one thing: you said Witnesses have evidence of God, and that the Bible is God's book. Forget everything else I asked. Give me your evidence that there is a God.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Hey - good to see that you are still about. I wondered what had happened. Well, yes if you like, I can give you conclusive evidence that there definitely is a God. Quite a biggie subject for these few lines here, but I will have a go and see how I get on - where to start is the question.. lol... anyways, you have set me a little mini project, which I am happy to do. Give me a few days and I will put some facts together for you and your readers too. Kind regards.
lulubellla 2 years ago
Looking forward to it, I just hope it isn't the same evidence every other Christian has presented.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
You know, Ive met Mormons and Scientologists and they dont come over as anything like the Witnesses in their work first off, the Scientologists are solely after your money and that I know from personal experience and the Mormons only see it fit to preach their message for 2 years and neither, adhere to the Bible sadly and there is loads more to say, but space wont allow it for all the things I could mention. Suffice it to say, a Witness work is a life long work and its done for free!
lulubellla 2 years ago
As for broadcasting a discussion had on Skype, I wouldnt mind at all being recorded but as for video, thats not for me. As you refer to outside observers, who may be affected, most will know that a full judgement can only be made after having all the facts presented and videos alone also, would not give nearly enough time to cover all the bases necessary anyway, nor will they do the subject the justice it merits.
lulubellla 2 years ago
As stated before, it can take up to 6 months or more for a person to complete a free home bible study and have all the basic questions answered with texts plus any extras and as we follow the pattern of the first cen Christians, we do that in the privacy of peoples homes if they want it or elsewhere if that is difficult. Again, let me know what you think, this could be interesting.
lulubellla 2 years ago
Hi there I am sorry I havent been clear enough. Its the first time I have responded on Youtube to someone on this subject so, it has proven difficult for me to cover every point in responses here for you in the paragraphs that only allow a certain number of characters per post.
lulubellla 2 years ago
I am here filling in the little box and then I get a message that says, I have over posted. LOL So, if you would like, I would be willing to correspond with you by email? Perhaps then I could answer your questions better or even speak to you on Skype, if you like.
lulubellla 2 years ago
That may be easier for us both - I am really sorry if I have misunderstood you and sorry to hear I sound like a sales person. I love my product I guess, but obviously I am not helpful and succinct enough or clear enough for you. I think that its the medium and perhaps, my wanting to say so much and then not saying not enough is my problem. Let me know what you would like to do. Kind regards.
lulubellla 2 years ago
I don't think it's the medium at all - you are simply ignoring my questions. I will be happy to re-type them if that would make it easier to respond to each one. I didn't have many.
I never discuss such matters in private, as I feel it is a waste of time. The discussions I have are generally for the benefit of others - I am pretty sure you will not be swayed by anything I have to say, but there are outside observers who might be swayed one way or another. (cont)
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Because of this, I always have any discussion or debate(and I feel this is more of a discussion than a debate as I'm sure you'll agree) in public, either in the comment, in a video, or whatever. So, while I would have no problem talking via Skype, it would have to be done with the knowledge that I would post it as a video later for the benefit of others.
As for your sales tactics, it isn't you - this is how they teach you to recruit. As I said, Mormons, Moonies and Scientologists are the same.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
As a post script - you have, it seems come to the conclusion that the Bible, is not from God. The Witnesses can prove categorically that it is. That's the challenge that any Witness would be happy to take up with you and for you. The ball will always be in your court though while there is time, you have the options. It will cost you nothing but your time and what you do with the information is then up to you to do with as you will.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"It will cost you nothing but your time and what you do with the information is then up to you to do with as you will."
Why on earth would I ask these people over to my house, when you can't even answer any of the simple questions you've been asked on here? If you can't type out a coherent answer here, there's no way in Hell I'm inviting a bunch of you into my home. So far you haven't answered a single question I've asked. Color me unimpressed and underwhelmed.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
I do sales for a living, and what you're doing now is a sales pitch. A salesman who wants to ream out a lead will avoid answering questions, instead trying to close the sale, brushing away the questions as irrelevant or to be answered later. That's what you're doing. You're refusing to answer anything I've asked, instead saying you can send some salesmen to my house to help me read stuff I've already read before.
Sorry, if you can't answer my questions here then forget it.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Well, it has been an interesting interaction with you, if nothing else. Seems we can go nowhere together. You wont take up my offers, or follow any suggestions so, I think we will have to go our separate ways at this juncture. Nice to have spoken you though. Maybe just one point, Witnesses dont smoke, and it doesnt say dont smoke in the bible either.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"Maybe just one point, Witnesses dont smoke, and it doesnt say dont smoke in the bible either."
Exactly, it's another rule you invented.
"you have, it seems come to the conclusion that the Bible, is not from God."
No, I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as God. I've stated this clearly several times already.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
"The Witnesses can prove categorically that it is."
No you can't or you would have already. All JWs claim this, then when asked for evidence they start waffling and avoiding the point, just like you did when I asked you what info I left out of my video.
"That's the challenge that any Witness would be happy to take up with you and for you."
That's why you're running away right now, and why all JWs run away when asked to present this evidence that you're all supposedly so happy to offer.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Its on principle that its not done. So by the same token worship / as smoking that can be harming to others, you and your relationship with God, is not carried out either. God doesnt want us to damage our bodies or those of others. Birthdays is a harmful form of idolatrous worship and even though it looks harmless to participants, it is anything but. Take good care.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"Birthdays is a harmful form of idolatrous worship"
No, it isn't. It's a celebration of being alive, something JWs hate because their only joy in life is waiting for God to take vengeance on the world and kill billions. You can claim it's "idolatrous worship" but can you prove it?
"You wont take up my offers"
What offers? To go read your literature that I've already read? I've asked you multiple questions that you've completely ignored, and I'm not going to re-read the same stuff over and over.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Time is running out? Have a look at the text here.
Isaiah 65: 6-11
Please do look it up.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"Isaiah 65: 6-11 Please do look it up."
I know some interesting scriptures from the Elder Edda, would you care to look them up as well? How about the Koran? Or the Vedas?
"Lovingkindnesses video here on YT"
Just to clarify, there are like five of those videos. I already had enough material saved for a sixth and decided not to bother.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
P.S. I think 2 things the conduct of the ones who you had bad experiences from denote immaturity or perhaps as with Nelly, maybe she is not a Witness at all. It certainly doesnt look very nice does it and I am very sorry that you have had to contend with that. The other thing is, we are running out of time I say this because if you are truly interested in truth and salvation then you must search for it while it is still available.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"not so good to read you have now become an atheist because of that?"
No, I became an atheist because I realized there was not a shred of evidence whatsoever that any such being as God, or any god, exists or ever has existed. Reading the Bible destroyed my faith in the Bible; researching various religions, sciences, and searching for evidence of God led me to be an atheist.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
What matters is how Jehovah views things and that also concerns our conduct and if someone were to turn away someone because of their conduct, they will have to answer for that. But the question is will your love for God be swayed by a human who doesnt show you respect. The Witnesses get abuse and ridicule everywhere and still preach incessantly irregardless. So .. Dont let the conduct of someone turn you away from God himself as he is not responsible. Ok? Kind regards, once again.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"Reasoning from the Scriptures"
You don't understand. I've read the entry on birthdays. I understand the WT's logic, and I find it to be nonsense. So some pagans did bad stuff on birthdays - so what? You're seriously telling me that God dictated a massive book of rules, and yet didn't bother to include a single line saying "Do not celebrate birthdays" but instead chose to imply it through listing some signicant, yet tragic events? No offense, but do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
utukkuxul 2 years ago
I made a video that uses the same logic used to condemn birthdays and shows that cards and dice should not be owned by Christians. Isn't it odd that I can use the same logic that is used to excuse wedding rings to support birthday celebrations, and I can use the same logic that is used to condemn birthdays to condemn dice and cards? Since all have pagan origins and can be linked to occultism and wrongdoing, shouldn't all three either be condemned, excused, or accepted as conscience issues?
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Hi there again, I looked for the people you listed on the Lovingkindnesses video here on YT and only found one, Nelly and she does not look like a witness to me, but I could be wrong. I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences. Anyhow, nice to read you have read the Bible, but not so good to read you have now become an atheist because of that?
lulubellla 2 years ago
I dont understand that at all. All the more reason to get a study arranged for yourself, so you can have someone direct you to the correct texts etc. With regard birthdays, they are not given good press in the Bible as you may know murders having been committed on those days by non worshippers etc, but it goes further than that,
lulubellla 2 years ago
There is, in addition loads of data that you need to consider with regard to the celebration of birthdays, which is accessible to you in a book Jehovahs Witnesses produce called the Reasoning from the Scriptures book. Its a helpmeet that is used in the ministry. It gives, as its title denotes, reasons for doctrines sourced in the Bible that are followed by the Witnesses.
lulubellla 2 years ago
If you can get yourself a copy hey, I just located one on Ebay (or ask a Witness next time you see one, to show you one, that would be very helpful to you, I think. I just googled once, birthdays, and came up with pages and pages and some is on the reasoning behind why Witnesses dont celebrate, but again, not all the info is there.
lulubellla 2 years ago
You really need to go to the horses mouth if you like, and get someone to come to you or arrange to have a study somewhere with a Witness, as it really is the only way you can get all your bases covered you know? I have said already that there are no worship connections that I know of, involved in wedding rings, if there are, it is extremely obscure and not carried on today.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"get someone to come to you or arrange to have a study somewhere with a Witness"
Question: why would I study a specific Christian denomination when I don't believe in religion or God at all? Shouldn't I, you know, actually believe God exists and that He wrote a book before I decide which denomination is the right one? Frankly, I don't see any point I've made here that you couldn't dispute right here, without sending someone to my house.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Scientologists and Mormons will gladly meet with you too, and I sure as hell am not interested in speaking with them. I hope you see my point.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Whereas, for a cross there is as there is on birthdays and Christmas too. So summing up, getting the full picture I think is important for you and then you can make a correct value judgment on the whole thing its available to you and its free so, I would go for it if I were you and if you are really interested in getting the full story about this subject. Kind regards to you.
lulubellla 2 years ago
---Hi there again and you are welcome vis' the feedback --- My reply starts at this one, then I've done it backwards so you can read from the top down.
lulubellla 2 years ago
And the other thing is that any Witness would be happy to be challenged as you put it. Your very life is at stake if it is, as the Bible says, Jehovah is going to bring an end to this system of things. (Prov 2: 21,22) So, I know that if I lived close to you, I would consider it a privilege to share all that I know or it could be arranged that a male Witness come I would def ask to come along !
lulubellla 2 years ago
Another thing thats good to remember is that the Witnesses havent always held the same beliefs. For example, they used to celebrate birthdays, Christmas etc, even wore crosses, but when they were found to be not compatible, with Bible principles, they were discareded. Smoking too, incidentally.
lulubellla 2 years ago
So their understanding has been progressive, if you like, over the years. Balance is also important and a persons conscience comes into play there may be those who refuse to wear a wedding ring because of its connections what also has to weighed up is whether the item is used in a worshipful way. Each person has to make their own decision.
lulubellla 2 years ago
A cross, on the other hand, can be a phallic symbol and we all know that the phallus was worshipped in older days, so witnesses would not wear that around their necks, nor would they want to be wearing the would be torture method that the churches teach killed their leader, Jesus Christ. These are just a few things considered. There are so many others. All the pieces of the puzzle have to be in situ, so you can see the whole picture only then you can make a fair value judgment for yourself.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"A cross, on the other hand, can be a phallic symbol and we all know that the phallus was worshipped in older days"
So is the stake. Just check out the obelisks of Egypt, the asherah poles mentioned in the OT, etc. Though I know you don't wear those around your necks. I could sit and debate about the cross and its uses but it's a nonissue to me anyway.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
It is a very interesting subject and the Bible is almost like a bottomless book, you learn forever from it. It has a timeless quality about it, along with its basic teachings of course. But it is of great value to those who choose to live by it and of course, as said at the outset, it tells of what Jehovah is going to do shortly, to cleanse this earth and neither you nor I can check his hand.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"the Witnesses havent always held the same beliefs....they used to celebrate birthdays, Christmas etc, even wore crosses, but when they were found to be not compatible, with Bible principles, they were discareded."
I'm well aware. Rutherford started all that as a means to exert more control over people. It's the same reason he did away with Russell's teaching of a nearly universal salvation.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Rutherford was an alcoholic who bootlegged alcohol during prohibition and had a mansion built for himself on contributions from his JWs. Trust me, I'm very educated on the history of your teachings. You're not talking to an ignorant rube.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
But what we can do is find out how to be on the right side when the things promised, come to fruition I can only encourage you get yourself a Bible study and check everything out. Its free and I know any Witness would be only too happy to assist you with that. After you have done that, you make your own decision.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"There is no way that in just a few minutes of a video, you can present the subject and ALL the relevant information." Once again - if you have some input that would invalidate what I say in the video, please present it.
"And the other thing is that any Witness would be happy to be challenged as you put it."
Have you checked out my "Lovingkindness" videos? One of the last JWs I spoke to told me they could do nothing for me because "God has given up on me."
utukkuxul 2 years ago
"there may be those who refuse to wear a wedding ring because of its connections what also has to weighed up is whether the item is used in a worshipful way."
My point with this video is that all the ways the WTS defends wedding rings could be used to defend birthday celebrations. Instead of dancing around the issue, could you at the very least acknowledge that my point here is valid?
utukkuxul 2 years ago
"I can only encourage you get yourself a Bible study and check everything out."
I've studied the Bible, and religion in general, all my life. It is studying the Bible that led me to stop believing it; it was my study of other religions and so forth, at least in part, which led me to become an atheist. Believe me, I could debate the Bible with you till the proverbial cows come home.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Comment removed
lulubellla 2 years ago
Hi there again and you are welcome vis' the feedback - your reply came into my email, so I thought I would just concur with the Jehovah's Witnesses who have replied. You may not know this but to study the Bible, for just the basics, can take up to 6 months. That's looking at a lot of scriptures, hundreds, cross checking etc. So that is what I meant. There is no way that in just a few minutes of a video, you can present the subject and ALL the relevant information. That's why I suggested a study.
lulubellla 2 years ago
I will also have a number of replies. If I had WMM on this computer I'd make a video responding, since this is a very long conversation, but unfortunately I had to reinstall this system with Windows 2000 which does not have a movie maker.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
No... I wont write back to you to berate you and to accuse someone I don't know, of apostasy that would be unfair. I can only see from what you write and what you want to say and the videos. In all fairness, you have not presented ALL the facts for your viewers and to them who are none the wiser, it looks to them, like you have which is a shame for them. You don't need me to tell you that. They though have the option to go to the true source. No more to say really. Thanks for your replies.
lulubellla 2 years ago
Nah, most of the JWs that come on here say I haven't given all the facts, then when I challenge them to do so they don't. I have presented all the facts, and you don't like that.
Thank you for the feedback.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
...........MOST IMPORTANTLY, it doesnt change the overall theme of the Bible or Gods purpose toward man, which is what you and all of earths inhabitants must really be urgently concerned with and know about so once again, Jehovahs blessing in your research and study.
lulubellla 2 years ago
I don't need the magical superpowers of a fictional entity from another dimension to help me understand what I read, though this helps explain why you guys seem to have so much trouble doing so.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Just another 2 quick comments May I suggest that you avail yourself to a complete Bible study with Jehovahs Witnesses, this time asking God privately in prayer, not the witness, to show you the things you need to be sure about? Be patient. Not everything is immediately understandable to a new student of the Bible, but with time, you come to understand that Jehovahs Witnesses dont have all the answers and that ..........
lulubellla 2 years ago
"Just another 2 quick comments May I suggest that you avail yourself to a complete Bible study with Jehovahs Witnesses"
Do ANY of you have ANY reading comprehension skills at all? All the evidence I have presented to you has been from your OWN publications. Why would I ask one of your fellow cultists to come "explain" it to me, while praying to his phony cult god, if I've already read the materials and thoroughly debunked them? You guys truly have a one track mind.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
If you really are searching for truth then you will take my advice, but if your objective is actually to foment contention, you will ignore it. It remains to be seen how you will respond now. It will always up to you. Remember, Jehovah is patient with you, as he is with us all. The ball will always be in your court. He forces no one. Its only whats in our hearts that will condemn us. Take care and use the brain that Jehovah gave you and choose to put it to good use and may Jehovah bless you.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"If you really are searching for truth then you will take my advice, but if your objective is actually to foment contention, you will ignore it. It remains to be seen how you will respond now."
You're funny. I've already searched for truth, and found it. You're just bitter because I found your truth to be nonsense and made videos exposing your "truth" as lies. Now write back making a fuss and calling me an apostate and telling me God will kill me.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Do you think Jehovah is happy with that kind of conduct and do you think any will want to learn from you, if that is how you speak to them and others? Defeats your objectives in my opinion. Detracts from the message. Speak with knowledge, teach with authority using all the info available, and respect, then and only then can you start to hope to each others. You have questions? Do the research then make your choices, but not before, that's just silly.
lulubellla 2 years ago
And as for being disrespectful to those who in your opinion, deserve disrespect. You should know that as Christians, we dont fight, we are gentle toward all, we dont go reviling in return, but we know how to give an answer, as the text says. You dont gain anyone by being nasty to them but quite the reverse. Your swearing is a mirror of you and that is the image you wish to portray to all and its not very pretty.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"Do you think Jehovah is happy with that kind of conduct"
LMAO, no, I think Jehovah is a voice in your head.
"Do the research"
I did do the research and I've presented it in my videos. So far all any JW has been able to do is either call me names and make fun of me(that's that "gentleness" thing you claim you guys are) or completely ignore any points I've made and babble on about nothing(which is what you've chosen to do).
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Hi there once again, well, I can only suggest you re-read the posts (mine) then you will find out where to find the info you need - if you choose not to go there, then go to your local Library and do research, this information is not hidden from public view and no I don't 'do as I am told', or 'regurgitate'. I act and speak with my own reasoning, forethought and as a free moral agent with knowledge otherwise I couldn't answer you. I can only encourage you to post what is true, that is all.
lulubellla 2 years ago
"as Christians, we dont fight, we are gentle toward all"
HAHAHAHA. Check out my "lovingkindness" videos for some samples of your fellow JWs being "gentle." What a laugh.
"Your swearing is a mirror of you and that is the image you wish to portray to all and its not very pretty."
Let's see, do I care? Hmm. Nope. Don't care. Leave if you don't like how I talk.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
It also seems that you have chosen not to remember that according to the Scriptures (the Bible) and Jehovahs spirit directed earthly organization and governing body, we are all accountable to him alone for our actions. In a court of law, ALL evidence has to be weighed in the balances and you have not supplied all the facts here for your viewers and therefore your presented case is found deficient. You alone are accountable for that, in Jehovahs eyes.
lulubellla 2 years ago
With regard to the issue of birthdays, it may be helpful if you do quite a bit more research on the subject and also look into the origins of gift giving, candles, greetings etc., on that particular day, because otherwise you are just simply misleading the viewers of your video on that topic. If you used to attend meetings I am sure the Reasoning Book and WT pubs, will give you lots more info on the subject of birthdays, than the tid-bits of what you only present here. :)
lulubellla 2 years ago
Your debating the issue of the wedding ring reminds me of one of Jesus illustrations about straining out the gnat but gulping down the camel and I am sure you will remember that the Jewish leaders of that time wouldnt allow the killing a flea as it would be considered work on the Sabbath? I hope you get the illustrative comparisons made.
lulubellla 2 years ago
Thank you for taking the time to make a video on matters you find contradictory. The commentary is interesting although a little confusing and you also contradict yourself. I also note that you swear and cuss and are disrespectful in some of your written replies to folks. I am inclined to think that if you were really sincerely one who wanted to worship God in a way that had His approval, you would not allow yourself to do such, as it would be repugnant or abhorrent to you.
lulubellla 2 years ago
Where in my video did I contradict myself? Where is this info that I am supposedly "not providing?" By the WT's own logic, there is nothing wrong with birthday celebrations since all the same arguments made against those can be made against wedding rings. You're simply regurgitating the WT's teachings without thinking about it, because that's what they train you to do.
And yes, I am disrespectful to people who deserve disrespect. Sucks for them, they are free to leave my channel any time.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh i get it now. It took me 4 of your videos, 5 days worth of discussion with you, and hundreds of comments to see that you bag on us cuz youve observed us before:)
sorry, im kinda thick you know. thank you for your time trying to explain it to me. All the halls ive been to are very kind which one did you go too? In fact, when ever i host a party i mostly invite jw cuz i dont have to worry about them instigating anything. plz reply, im curious.
MrCananball 2 years ago
I told you that I used to attend. That should have made it clear. As I said, I "bag" on you because I was one of you. Had I been raised a Catholic, I'd "bag" on them.
The last party thrown by JWs I went to was back when I was a kid. I remember the other JW kids basically just ignored me and a few made fun of me. I spent most of the party sitting in another room by myself.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
wow i hadf my 1 day assembly today,lol
ahah no im not studying,lol i was raised in the truth... but im just not sure wht to make of my life yet,lol but yeah im not trying to be disrespectfula at all, like i defenatly share simaler oppions as u, lol how old r u?
theusedjosh 2 years ago
28.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
i guess, but i must say it helps, last question i promise:p r u happy now?
theusedjosh 2 years ago
You can ask as many questions as you want, as you are so far the only JW to have been halfway respectful towards me(though you seem to only be studying).
Your question is not as cut and dried as it seems. Am I happy? Not really, but there is more to it than that. First of all, happiness is not a gauge of truth. I would be happier knowing there weren't starving, abused children in the world, but that doesn't make it so. Secondly, I am happier than I was as a JW.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
well u kinda have to be in a group becuase jesus did say to preach the word n stuff, so it wud be hard to do tht by ur self, meetings n all the association is there to help n ingourgae i guess,lol but u do bring a gud point when they point the finger at other religions thts not right.
theusedjosh 2 years ago
You don't have to be in a group to preach the word. That's silly. You don't need groups and practice sessions and magazines. All you need is your mouth and a damn Bible. If God's word can't stand on it's own without multiple weekly meetings, elaborate plans, magazines, and hardcover supplemental books then I am not impressed with God's word. If I were a Christian I'd be offended at the implication.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
like i think the way things r ran cud be better n handeld differently but i dont let tht get in the way of my relationship with god.
theusedjosh 2 years ago
You don't have a relationship with God when you need an organization to have one. I don't remember Jesus saying you needed to join some special club to talk to his dad.
At any rate, I don't let how they handle things get in the way of my relationship with the voices in my head, either, so I know how you feel.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
well every congragation is different right, altho its claimed to be the truth, every congratation is ran by imperfect people.
theusedjosh 2 years ago
So is every other religion, but they're the first to point the finger and level accusations. "Catholics do this, Lutherans do that, Presbyterians are like this, Baptists are like that, this religion used to do this, that religion used to do that," on and on. Yet as soon as someone points out something goofy they used to do or believe, or something messed up they do, it's "Well we are imperfect!" Well whoopie.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
ahahah, nice voice, LOL
theusedjosh 2 years ago
Thanks, as usual the JWs can't dispute their hypocrisy so they attack the messenger. I'm sure that's what Jesus taught you to do.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
jesus didnt teach me how to do anything bro
theusedjosh 2 years ago
Yeah, no kidding.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
so wht religon r u?
theusedjosh 2 years ago
I'm not any religion. God is a myth that you believe in because it makes you feel better.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
wow thts a big assumtion, cuase it doesnt make me feel better,lol:p so ur not in any other religon.... so why is it tht ur only bashin witnesses,lol like hindus have over 2 million gods, u cant find any of them to speak about? lol doesnt rlly matter im just curious.
theusedjosh 2 years ago
Nonsense, it does make you feel better or you wouldn't bother. It gives you the myth of eternal life in your future which in turn gives meaning to the meaninglessness of your existence.
As for the Hindu gods, first of all I wasn't raised a Hindu. There are other people that know more about those gods and are better equipped to debunk them. Same with Catholics, Scientologists, etc. Secondly, it's not Hindus that push their religion down anyone's throats, so they are less important to me.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
ahah, no lol like presently reproved i have been for almost 6 months, like im slightly undecided about wht i belive, but i just think tht if i had kids i wud want them to be in the jehovah witness inviroment becuase its friendly n loving for the most part,lol. ok fair enough... so u were raised as a jehovah witness?
theusedjosh 2 years ago
Yes, I was. I never found it loving at all.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
Need some help there covering your ass WTS?
RadarKat73080 2 years ago
Who in their right mind would listen to this guy rant and rave for 10 minutes ?
This video will make no difference to anything or anybody 1 star
BornAgainUmustbe 2 years ago