Whats a TMF? a PMF? - Rules of Ultimate Frisbee

[2wksinjuly]

y a TMF 4 placing the disc under a cone??

[ultiplayer1]

Nice video. I went to an observer clinic at Sectionals in 2008. Just thought I'd mention that at minute 4:32 when referencing PMF's you say "so two TMF's you get ejected, three TMF's you're done for the whole tournament." Also, I rarely spike the disc and I haven't watched much of your team footage but do you or your teammates spike the disc? Is it something your team discusses avoiding during practice?

[rootbeersato]

I feel like TMFs for swearing need to be considered carefully. Frankly, swearing is a knee-jerk reaction for a lot of people (myself totally included) when they mess up. In ANY sport. And when a team's really pumped on the sideline, they're gonna yell things like, "Fuck yeah!" to keep up the energy. In these contexts, I don't think there should be any sort of consequence. Now, If you're swearing at another player or an observer or something, that's different, and should definitely be called

[xDuressx]

Thanks for the insight. You did me a solid.

[totoro5421]

It´s actually very cool to play hard and have to think in the rules and behavior at the same time. Makes us better persons than not needing to know the rules that well and having daddy referee to rule for us.

[heartbeat0506]

Aka Too Much Fun

[chipwich27]

Brodie Smith calling out Sean Keegan on a misconduct foul. That just happened. 

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@chipwich27 dude relax...wasn't calling out anybody just saying what I saw... I have done things very similar not saying I haven't.

[hib73]

I think the concept of the TMF and PMF is a sound one. My league could use it at times. However, I do have one massive problem with it and it's a problem I have with observers in general and many of the calls they're making; where are these calls in the rules of ultimate??? We're still playing under the 11th edition rules and nowhere will you find these terms. This means games played with observers and those played without, are played under different rules are they not?

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@hib73 its in the observer manual...not in the 11th edition...you're right

[srock1226]

Good video, it really clears up the rule.

What are your views on the 2010 college championship? Obviously there has been different views brought up but I was curious about what you think about it.

[REGROSS527]

will be the team that wins. That's why observers are needed, as a check on those teams. Impartiality is impossible when a player gets into the heat of competition, so calls are going to be skewed. They'll be even more skewed when a team takes the philosophy of "Contest everything" because there's no penalty for it.

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@REGROSS527 no we never did any of that...never cheated or anything, but we def used the rules. If someone traveled we called it. We played physical and loved to play at that level.

[REGROSS527]

eventually become referees. You mention that the TMF/PMF rules were likely added at least partially in response to the 2006 Florida championship team. I don't agree with the philosophy, but was it the mindset of that team to stretch the rules to their advantage?  It can give you an obvious competitive advantage if a team sees no problem with calling travels just to slow down offensive flow or something of the like, but it is not "spirited."

In my mind, the team most willing to bend the rules

[REGROSS527]

Thanks for this video... I'm wondering if you were inspired to make it because of my USAU message board post.

I definitely agree, referees are an inevitable end point if the sport wants to be legitimized. My feelings on SOTG have always been that it is a superfluous rule... no other sport has to have a specific phrase to basically tell its players, "Hey, don't cheat and don't be unsportsmanlike."

As the sport becomes more competitive, you need the observers to have a larger role and

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@REGROSS527 nope sorry. I actually don't follow the USAU message board at all. But good points

[trossandallie]

Funny you posted this - I was going to do a video comparing this reaction to an observer call, with your reaction to an observer call in the DW / JB game. Here he doesn't like the call, spikes the disc, and, if I remember right, get's scored on immediately. You were called "not in the endzone," not sure if you agreed or not, but immediately went back to the line and threw a cross field hammer for a goal. TMP/PMF aside, his reaction gave DW and easy goal and hurt his team.

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@trossandallie haha nice!

[MrIJustWatch]

So basically Florida Ultimate is sort of like the 90's Miami Football team when they caused the NCAA to come out with all the un-sportsmen like conduct penalties. Sweetness bro.

And thanks for explaining this, but what about TMF's or PMF's when your playing in games or tournaments with out observers? Can you call them yourselves?

[lvanniek]

@MrIJustWatch Good question. Can you call them when there are no observers?

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@lvanniek nope

[stpetersbeerg]

@MrIJustWatch you're playing... you're.

[MrIJustWatch]

@stpetersbeerg Thanks grammar police.

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@MrIJustWatch If you don't have observers you can't call them. They can only be called by Observers.

[clizzaster]

The reason many people don't want refs is not just because of SOTG. I think a lot of people think refs get calls wrong more often than players do. This line call was a good example of that.

Personally, I'm all for refs, but it would drastically change the sport. Marking and throwing strategy would change in a big way. Throwers could no longer count on being bailed out by foul calls. Markers would still foul, but they would try to be discrete about it.

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@clizzaster I would disagree and say players get calls wrong more often than refs. IE pick up basketball

[tchanxx619]

great video man!

[burton710]

In my opinion I would like to have refs who wouldn't call the fouls, but would just be an extention of observers. Eg. They would have final decision on a contested foul or a dispute if the player was in bounds or out of bounds like in this video

[VitalFroogle]

What's the rule about running out of the boundaries of the field, to an extent where the player is behind people watching the game on the sideline (observers/spectators/teams) and then returns into play in the opposing end zone and receives the disc?

[BrodieSmithVlog]

@VitalFroogle As far as I know there isn't a rule about this...So you have free reign to do as you please. Although not sure how happy the other team would be if you pulled a stunt like that on purpose.