No no no dude. Give it up. I dont even have to see any of your videos or this one. I already know its crap. Mr. Voris knows what he's saying and you don't, obviously. The crazy thing is, i can't believe people would actually like this.
My main complaint Michael Voris isn't so much what he says but his lack of intelligence and lack of ability to understand English. I used to watch him and when I corrected him on something he could not understand what I wrote even though I explained his error several ways. The last thin he said was that I just liked to complain (because I wouldn't agree with him) and he blocked me from commenting again.
He either didn't understand what I wrote or couldn't admit he was in error.
Ken, instead of "calling out" Michael Voris why don't you call out the men who "changed" thousands of years of Church teaching? They're the bad bishops who are contradicting themselves.
What you think multiple religions with conflicting beliefs are all correct? How do you reconcile that belief with logic? I've watched most of Michael Voris's videos and they are very good. His arguments are very logical.
Islam is a false religion, built on the blood of Jews and real christians, In Medina. Muhammad slaughtered everyone that didnt agree with him, Voris has NO clues about Islam, I bet he and his false Vatican havent even read the Koran, haddith and sunnah. Islam will be first, to be destroyed along with the Vatican, so says, the Revelation, Chapter 18/19. The Catholic / Vaticanus will be utterly destroyed by the coming of Christ. Ezekiel 38.
You are absolutely right Ken, Voris is a false teacher that knows nothing about the Abrahamic covenant, let alone the Bible, in fact, Catholicism hates Israel, The Pope called for a 2 state solution, she didnt back Israel, she is Pro Arab. She is also the False Prophet, the Little horn in Daniel, that speaks profanities about God and his people, She wants to take over the land of Israel, THAT IS HER AGENDA. she pays lip service to muslim, the Arabs in the Land......She is the beast of Rev......
@dandy74able I am a Catholic and whole Bible believer. You are correct about the Catholic Church not understanding the Bible or or believing it. It breaks my heart that the Pope has called for a 2 state solution and takes the side of pagans (The Jewish people worship the same God that we Christians do but the Muslims worship a false god.) over Israel and against what God has written in the Bible. I don't believe that the Catholic church is the beast though. I would say more but I'm out of words.
Michael Voris is a false teacher, and a dictator, He has to " approve " comments in his video. He claims the Catholic Church took over from the Jews from AD70. which is totally false, The Times of the Gentiles is to EVERY man, not to the Vatican. If the Vatican Catholic system was the truth, how is it that the Church backed Hitler during the war? and as a result, millions of Jews died. The Vatican is anti semitic, and it proves it in her history, Mr Voris is a Liar!
You cite selective statements from Lumen Gentium and selective actions of our popes without a real understanding of what message is in fact being preached. There is no "religious indifferentism". It is merely an acknowledgement of our lack of knowledge concerning God's will. We know that it is God's will that all come to the fullness of Truth. Yet, we do not know how He will accomplish this. No one can be held responsible for the sins of another. Yet you suggest just the opposite.
I also asked Michael, if he would be so kind as to explain on a Vortex episode the views on idol worship in the scriptures to all his faithful Catholic viewers. This idolator was deafening in his silence
@DelBluenose80 I was blocked and my post not allowed for posting CCC 841 and asking for an explanation. Also tried to explain the whole Peter and the rock thing, but was blocked.
1.) U have answered REALLY my questions! Where the BIBLE CAME FROM, what's about the Holy Fathers - the church - YOUR SILLY CONCLUSIONS (Fathers decepted - chosen by God for His service) IS NOT AN ANSWER FOR INTELLIGENT PEOPLE
2.) U have shown that U DAMNED YOURSELF - because u said U DO NOT KEEP EVERY PART OF THE LAW - so u are under the CURSE OF THE LAW.
3.) YOUR CALCULATION is BASED NOT ON THE BIBLE but on YOURSELF.
@adamantis4657 "3.) YOUR CALCULATION is BASED NOT ON THE BIBLE but on YOURSELF."
I have quoted Bible verses and walked you through the math for the dates. Your dates are traditions, since that is all you quote in support for them. I have answered some of your questions, now again, kindly answer some of mine with the Scriptural verses.
@believerinYHWH: U have not quoted Bible verses - TO SAY THAT IS NOT HONEST (as all your "theology")
U did not post verses from the Bible u only said: The course of Abijah was the 8th - and U ASSUMED WITH YOUR CALCULATION - WITH WEEKS - that there was a different DATE.
That is not biblical - or more biblical than mine! COME ON be honest. We came to different conclusions but yours is ONLY A CALCULATION.
We do not know exactly how the courses were done in the Temple - speculation!
@adamantis4657 Look, this is pointless. You have refused to answer my questions based on Scriptures as I requested, even though I have answered some of your personal questions about myself. You keep talking about this is the way things were done from Apostalic times, so therefore it's right. Period. I have shown you the date, as well as who Zechariah is, from Scriptures, and you have rejected both in order to cling to your traditions. You are too emotionally invested in being right and - cont.
I did not EVEN MENTION THE TRADITION OF CHURCH - AS I TOLD U MANY TIMES NOW! Because would I mention all those FACTS from Holy TRADITION - I would have to POST UNCEASINGLY FOR WEEKS here.
I was talking about HOW THE FATHERS HAVE COME THE DATE OF 25th of DECEMBER FROM THE BIBLE. But u did nto accept that - BECAUSE U HAVE ANOTHER CALCULATION FROM BIBLE.
Sorry, but u have shown nothing! U only said that the CALCULATION OF THE CHURCH can not be correct - ok. Later u tried with VERSES FROM THE OT to prove your to be true!
I have told that yours lack of BEING A FACT because EVEN HEBREW SCHOLARS say that we today do not know how EXACTLY THE COURSES OF THE SERVICES were done in the Temple.
So your calculation is not more biblical than that of the CHURCH! Why do u deny that FACT?
@adamantis4657 defending your churches traditions to have a rational discussion with. You feel you are right; so be it. I disagree, however. I have asked several questions over the last few days, and you are either unable or unwilling to answer any of them. Therefore this is pointless and a waste of time. Let us just go our separate ways. Perhaps someone else will come across our discussion and see the verses I have provided and it can help them. Take care. I will not be replying anymore to you.
@adamantis4657 You may be correct that December 25th was picked for the celebration of Christmas because of pagan dates; I don't know. But even if that was the case that is not necessarily bad. When the monasteries had to convert the pagan tribes that defeated the Roman Empire it made sense to "Christianize" the pagan Holidays by changing the meaning of the pagan symbols. The evergreen tree symbolizes eternal life, it's shape is a triangle symbolizing the Trinity.
@almagore1: U got me wrong! I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST JESUS WAS BORNE ON 25th OF DECEMBER. Because since APOSTOLIC TIMES his NATIVITY WAS CELEBRATED ON THAT DAY.
Many Fathers have spoken about that DATE and also the Apostolic Constitutions mention that day.
@adamantis4657 Thanks for correcting me and clarifying your belief. Thank you also for informing me that Jesus birthday was celebrated on December 25th from apostolic times. I didn't know that. God bless you in all things and lead you to all truth.
@adamantis4657 defending your churches traditions to have a rational discussion with. You feel you are right; so be it. I disagree, however. I have asked several questions over the last few days, and you are either unable or unwilling to answer any of them. Therefore this is pointless and a waste of time. Let us just go our separate ways. Perhaps someone else will come across our discussion and see the verses I have provided and it can help them. Take care. I will not be replying anymore to you.
U did not really answer MY QUESTIONS! I asked u if u KEEP THE LAW and if u are circumcised etc..
U said: YES - because in USA it is common and that u do not eat pork etc..
That is not an answer BECAUSE WHEN U KNOW THE BIBLE u know that the LAW consists of MUCH MORE than being circumcised because it is common and not eating pork.
I also do not eat PORK - because I don't like it - Do I keep because of that the LAW of MOSES - NO.
“And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail...” Origen, Commentary on John, 5:3 (A.D. 232).
“As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built!” Jerome, To Pope Damasus, Epistle 15 (A.D. 375).
"Peter bore the person of the church.” Augustine, Sermon 149:7 (inter A.D. 391-430).
You are false! What he is saying is the truth. All protestant church's are man made in the teachings of Luther. He decided that he did not agree with the Catholic Church on some of what the they teach, which are the words of Our LOrd and Savior, Jesus Christ. He then broke away from the church and began teaching HIS ideas, not God's word as stated in the bible. He took the parts he liked and wanted. So to say the Catholic Church is not the One True Church is heresey.
Indeed, this all comes tumbling down when faced with the infallibility of the Ordinary and universal magisterium of the Church such as embodied in Vatican 2.
Further who precisely are any of us to declare who God may, or may not save? The Church is not teaching that the rejection of Christ is not a grave grave matter, but rather that God, whose ways are not ours, may reach out further than we can possibly imagine.
It is always pertinent to remember that Vatican II was an oecumenical council, and didn't redefine or change, or indeed introduce anything.
It therefore isn't infalliable.
You are allowed your own interpretation and free speech, but the Church proclaims the Truth and leads by example, not someone on Youtube - neither Kenbird1 or RealCatholicTV
Vatican II does not teach what you say it teaches. You are making the same mistake Catholic indiferentists make, except they embrace it and you condemn it. I repeat, Vatican II does not teach what you guys are saying.
I applaud you sir. Although I do not agree with your religious views you do know exactly what you are talking about citing exact quotes and not speaking opinion. I am glad to see someone took the time to rip Michael Voris to shreds. This is a very knowledgeable video. Thank you for taking the time to research your facts and beliefs and present them in a civilized manor. Kudos Kenbird
I listened to about four minutes of your video, so I can only comment on that in regard to what I heard. I would like to see in print exactly what in Lumen Gentium you are positing is heresy, as well as the synod/council of Rome you quoted. If you don't mind, do you have weblinks to these? Also, I am wondering, from what I read in some comments, what has caused you to believe that John Paul II was an anti-pope?
Please , I've been Catholic from birth, 61 now, and Michael Voris is right on, your young and have been mis lead, I won't argue with you. you will get it from Jesus Christ, sooner or later.
Kenbird, When we juxtaposing your video with Michael V. vortex video, there are two things that really come so clearly to our mind. It obviously clear that there is a divine spirit of God in Michael, while you have that spirit of Devil, that is trying to destroy the whole truth about the life of God's creature, his people. Devil sin against God, by saying I will not serve God, because of his pride, and it turn him into rage and hatred against the people of God and the whole truth which is God.
@rusda ... I am a Catholic so I believe if the Holy Father the Pope approved (the writtings of St. Alphonsis then there is something in them for us to learn from the HOLY SPIRIT in them. Recall that even Jesus used such language as: " If your eye is your trouble, cut it out..." not all persons understand ALL of Scripture. (Recall also that there is a group of persons - or were- who were deforming themselves because they believed they should take this scripture passage 'literally' ...
all persons do not understand all of the teachings of the Saints or Scripture... in regard to the passage " I was with him in the beginning .... as it says elsewhere in Sacred Scripture " All things were created "Though HIm, with HIM in HIm and for Him.. that is "JESUS" esp MARY beacause of this "...she was with Him.." Mary is how Jesus came into this world.... Do you have the grace to understand God's TRUE relationship to Mary ?
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael was the same God. God protected Ishmael. Muslims are descendants of Ishmael. At this point in history God was known as the "One God" To us, the ONE God has also revealed as "Trinity", so therefore to say they adore the same God as we do as Catholics is not heretical in teaching even though their minds cannot believe this "ONE God" is also a Trinity of persons. there is so much more implicit in the teaching of the Vat II...
....To try to make the teaching of VAT II clearer by some of these things you are pointing out by explaining what is inplicit in the teachings would be a much better approach... some these teachings are stepping stones to seek more into what the HOLY SPIRIT is trying to say... for others these teachings are stummbling blocks to deeper truth. Some who do not understand, do not humble themselves and pray to 'understand' but believe evil where there is none. The human lang. can't fully express it
I really appreciate you knowledge of the Popes and their writtings as well as the Catechism and Vat. ii. There are those who find these of source of Scandal and stummbling blocks, and others find them stepping stones to deeper truth. If one loses their faith in the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT... they begin to follow another spirit under the guise of some good. It would be a much better effort on your part to find the HOLY SPIRIT behind VAT II and fill in the gaps for the faithful.
@ilivelifewithjoy The Trinity Doctrine goes against Deuteronomy 6:4. It is of Babylonian origin, like much of the other "Christian" doctrine the "churches" teach: Christmas, pagan bunny rabbit day, Lent, 1st day of the week worship instead of the 7th, crosses, hot cross buns, "Queen of Heaven" stuff, Christ rose with the rising of the sun instead of the setting of the sun, mitre hat, holiday ham, Mary as the bride of the Holy Spirit (thus marrying her son who is also His father), etc. All pagan!
St. Jerome considered the seven Deutero-Canonical books to be NOT inspired by God,(which he later accepted) but he was commissioned by Pope Damasus to translate all 73 books into Latin. Pope Damasus considered the 7 DC books to be inspired by God. Later in 1946, after the finding of the dead-sea scrolls, it was discovered that these 7 DC books were used by the Jews in Alexandria, even in their services. This verifies that Pope Damasus was correct. The CC did not add, protestants subtracted.
@MysticalCity the last 2 didn't link to you. Sorry. Read them 1st before this 1 so it makes sense. Your church taught to ignore the OT Feast Days and Sabbath, and instead made up new ones. She changed times and seasons. The list goes on and on. Every item on that list to the T and then some.
I go to the Tridentine Mass. Maybe JPII made mistakes. But I think it's an oversimplification to say that ecumenism=religious indifferentism. It's one thing to say that all religions are equal (definitely wrong) and another to say that most religions have a glimmer of truth to them, which can be the common ground from which we can work to bring them to a fuller understanding of truth. The latter is what Vatican II promoted.
If you believe Jesus is the son of God then you have to believe Catholicism is the one true religion, he created it. To believe otherwise is to deny God.
@rusda2 Jesus said to Peter; Upon this rock I build my church and thus Peter was our first pope. The term Catholic is just a metaphor or label for Christianity per say. But the teachings of the Catholic church are forged by Jesus himself regardless of the title.
@projectdeepcover friend, did Jesus ever say that Mary was co creator "with Him forming the world..."? No He didnt, but the RCC & popes & "doctors" and "saints" of the catholic church say she was. thats heresy & blasphemy of the highest order..
Jesus is the Rock, not peter. there is no pope ever mentioned in scripture. Only Jesus is called the Rock in scripture because He is God. the RCC tries to put the pope forth as God on earth...also blasphemy in the highest degree.
@rusda2 "did Jesus ever say that Mary was co creator "with Him forming the world..."? No He didnt, but the RCC & popes & "doctors" and "saints" of the catholic church say she was"
Wherever did you get that nonsense from? The Church, popes, doctors and saints NEVER said any such thing. If perhaps one, say, pope did say this then he was in error. The Holy Ghost reveals the Truth to the Church. Mary has never been declared a "co creator"!
@mottledbrain that "nonsense" came out of the CATHOLIC book "The Glories of Mary". Ligouri, the author of the book, was SAINTED by a pope. He was also made a "DOCTOR of the Church" by a pope. The book in question has the IMPRIMATUR to be used to TEACH Catholics. Sorry to shock u but YES indeed they DID say such things & other blasphemies, I have the book. u say pope would be in error? this is a teaching of faith & morals, so if a pope was wrong on this, papal infallibility goes out the window.
@rusda2 I've only read a portion of that book so far. Thanks for pointed it out.
Remember this though: Even saints are human. Just because someone has been declared a saint it in no way signifies that all they wrote is official Church teaching. This example says absolutely NOTHING about Papal infallibility.
If you really want to check what you read against Church teaching then check against the Catechism of the Catholic Church
1. @mottledbrain hi friend, I think u are missing the point I was making. besides the fact that the book is written by one "sainted" by a pope & the author quoted other "saints"...the book has the "imprimatur" for official catholic teaching. the author was also made a "doctor" of the church by a pope. this teaching of RCC on mary is indeed a teaching of faith & morals & popes approving it as such means they agree with it, catechism not withstanding.
2. @mottledbrain plus a careful readin of one of the quotes in my video shows that the words of proverbs "I was with Him forming all things" is applied BY THE CHURCH to Mary. Thats about as official as it gets. Thats the CHURCH agreeing with the author of the book. lots of things are taught in catholicism that are not in the "catty" or the bible. thanks for your comment friend :)
@mottledbrain I quote: "The world which THOU (Mary) with God didst FORM from the beginning continues to exist at THY WILL, O most holy Virgin"..."the saint (St. Bonaventure) adhering in this to the words of Proverbs APPLIED BY THE CHURCH to Mary: I (Mary) was with Him FORMING all things."
Mary the Creator? yep.
entire book online: marys-touchDOTcom/Glories/DiscIVDOThtm (replace two DOT's with real ones)
I have the hard copy, quote is the same. Can supply page # of hard copy if needed.
@rusda2 The Catholic Church does not teach Mary as a Co-Creator, no, she is not God. God the Trinity is the only Creator. Mary is called the Seat of Wisdom (book of Proverbs) it is the Holy Spirit Who is the UNCREATED WISDOM who rests within her.
Look at creation... was not she there in His MIND as he sees all in an eternal now? Was she not in His Mind when he thought of the FRUIT of JESUS the Son of MAN from her flesh??? If you have no idea of the Greatness of God's CREATION of Mary....
@ilivelifewithjoy friend, you will have to argue that with the pope(s) who approved Ligouri's book by "sainting" him and making him a "doctor" of the church. you will have to argue that with those who gave his book the "imprimatur" thus officially approving the book to teach catholics.
the book did not say anything about being "in his mind", if that was the case, then mary has nothing on the rest of us because we were all in His mind. the book says what it says & was approved by pope(s).
@projectdeepcover That's not what that says. Read it in context. Yeshua (Christ) was asking who the people thought He was. They named various people, and Yeshua asked who they thought He was. Then Peter says the Mashiach (Messiah). Then Yeshua names him Peter, and upon this rock (the fact that He is the Messiah) will He build His church. Not upon Peter, or the Catholic church.
If you read Scriptures, you see James was the nominal head of the group in Jerusalem, not Peter.
I'll start off with a question? How does this is any way help unify the body of christ? Y'all argue over who can out argue who and the I know more than you" crap. That's called pride and it's satans biggest tool. When you look down on other because you think u know more it's wrong weather u are an atheist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, it only Corrupts and kills any chance of evangelism or peace.
Next. The catechism does say there is salvation out side the church, people who live the christian value
I'll start off with a question? How does this is any way help unify the body of christ? Y'all argue over who can out argue who and the I know more than you" crap. That's called pride and it's satans biggest tool. When you look down on other because you think u know more it's wrong weather u are an atheist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, it only Corrupts and kills any chance of evangelism or peace.
Next. The catechism does say there is salvation out side the church, people who live the christian value
@Mastanichols It is not an issue of looking down on anyone, regarding the Muslims. Jews and Christians worship the same God, Yaheveh. Muslims worship Allah and when the Koran gives the attributes of Allah they are different attributes that the Bible says are true of God. Therefore, even though the Muslims only worship one God it is not the real God, It is a concept that Mohamed made up. Therefore Muslims are Pagans or infidels and should be treated as the Bible says we should treat them.
michael voris is an evangelical lutheran plant. he makes video's to round up catholics to are as stupid as southern baptists.
and then there is "you" (kenbird), splitting the tiniest of hairs in defense of opinions about a god that depends on "faith" and a basic understand of the difference between myth and a lie.
@MpowerdAPE My assertions are based on many principals and facts that I doubt you have any concept of like divine revelation, dogma, historical precident, divine and canon law, and man's ability to judge these matters based on external actions not emotion, not assumption, nothing but truth pure and simple as God has revealed it to us.
@Kenbird1 i know more about all of those things then you dare too suspect....
my comment sucked by the way. if i could rewrite it i would, thanks for your understanding.
joseph campbell once asked... "whats the difference between a myth and a lie...?" the funny thing about right-wing catholics is that they cant even get to this question without the permission of 2 dozen or so deceased greek and italion translators, editors, politicians, publishers.... etc etc etc....
@Kenbird1 God has only revealed himself to us and truth to us in the Bible. I am Catholic but I only believe the Church if what it says is congruent with what God says in the Bible. It is my understanding that per Catholic teaching, the other 2 legs of the Church, the Magisterium and Sacred Tradition, can never oppose Sacred Scripture. In reality it does at times but the Catholic Church is more Bible based than any Protestant Church Man does not have the ability to judge this..
The church does NOT need Not buffoonish wishy washy tree hugging kumbaya liturgical perverters which is exactly what she is permeated with by today - from the bishops right down to the laypeople. No, what the church needs today is stout warriors to ...remove the riff rafff and bring her back to the majesty she once was, returning her to her primary and sole mission of saving souls.
The "Vatican II Movement???" Dude! Please if you are going to be making buffoonish commentaries regarding subjects about which you have no knowledge, go make them about something a bit more DOWN to your level of intelligence. Voris is to the point and does not dabble in stupidity nor political correctness...as if there were any difference! He is hardcore Roman Catholic and that is exactly what the church needs today. A true Warrior for Christ and a devout Knight for our Lady.
Wow, I couldn't make it through 5 minutes of your Herp-a-Derp video. Voris may be a bit heavy-handed, but at least he gets to the point and in the end, his theology is SOUND.
You sound like a 5 year-old trying to teach Calculus. Herp. A. Derp.
@drdst17 You wouldn't last five seconds in a theological dispute with me if you say that Voris' theology is sound. It's a vlog, it's my vlog, I can talk how I want and if you don't like it then that's your problem. Cling to your heresies and what you believe to be the Church is rather a flimsy transparent whimsical antidogmatic form of false Catholicism. Get a clue. Rome has lost the faith and has become the seat of the Antichrist the Church is in eclipse. Vatican catholic d o t com
I'm glad Protestants broke of from the church of mary...Michael Voris doesn't man up. all he does is block you if opose his opinion...yeah, and do you notice he won't debate Protestant apologist?....that's because he doesn't want to loose.
@shanana000 Protestantism is illogical, it makes no sense to propose a belief system that has never been taught in this world nor for the first fifteen centuries of Christianity. If the reformers are correct then the Apostles were wrong teaching a false doctrine incompatible with the theology of the reformers. Christ founded His Church on Peter, not on the bible, not on the personal interpretation of a layman who takes it upon himself to preach without being sent by God
@Kenbird1 That's not what that says. Read it in context. Yeshua (Christ) was asking who the people thought He was. They named various people, and Yeshua asked who they thought He was. Then Peter says the Mashiach (Messiah). Then Yeshua names him Peter, and upon this rock (the fact that He is the Messiah) will He build His church. Not upon Peter, or the Catholic church.
If you read Scriptures, you see James was the nominal head of the group in Jerusalem, not Peter.
@Kenbird1 According to your own Catholic Catechism, number 841:
The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Your own teachings say you worship the same God as the Muslims. Talk about blasphemy and unBiblical doctrines, among others you teach.
@believerinYHWH U really do not pay attention do u? The whole entire reason 4 my channel is 2 show that the Church at Rome at this moment is not the Catholic Church but a counterfeit fake bcuz it teaches heresy contrary 2 the teachings of the authentic Catholic Faith like what u have just cited. That Catechism is heretical & further illustrates my point that John Paul 2 was an antipope. Then you arrogantly just go ahead and make an unqualified statement accusing me of teaching that nonsense.
@Kenbird1 How are my 2 comments arrogant? Most Catholics I don't think know that's in there, so I was pointing it out. Your church hasn't been hijacked recently with false doctrines, it has had it from day 1. Christmas, 1st day worship, Lent, pagan bunny-rabbit day, Good 6th day, Trinity doctrine, Mary as a "Queen of Heaven," sun beams on everyones head, the Popes mitre hat, etc are all from ancient Babylon. To the T, plus much more. It teaches YHWH's Law is no longer to be obeyed. This is false
@Kenbird1 Whatever happened to papal infalliblity, promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13) I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail...He who hears you hears me
heresy? whatever happened to the gates of hell shall not prevail? Let us not forget that the Catholic Church was built on Peter.
@Kenbird1 This is just the tip of the iceberg of the blasphemy though. It isn't just recent doctrines, but old ones too. It goes all the way back to the beginning. If you would like a more in-depth description of what
I'm speaking about, we can do it via personal message, since it will take a lot more than 500 characters to do so. I posted a VERY brief summary, but by NO MEANS ALL of the items in a post about 30 minutes or so ago at the time of this post. It's ALL pagan and of Babylonian origin
@shanana000 please stop with this garbage, The RCC is the false, the whor* etc.... is that all you protestants got? you do realize The Catholic Church put the books of The Bible together right? you do know luther added a word to the Bible right? you do know luther removed 7 books from the Bible right? you do know calvin even added his own epistle to scriptures right? actually you wouldn't know this, protestants don't know true history.
@Kenbird1 um, actually get a Bible and read it from cover to cover and then we can talk...because you obviously don't know what your talking about...no Apostle did what your church does or teaches what your church teaches..it's your church that turned from God's teaches early on in history, why do you think the RCC kept the Bible from people and would burn them at the stake for translating it into the common language of the day? God gave us His Word, not your church.
@shanana000 Michael Voris shuts down anyone who is not Catholic, he only blocks them if they choose to remain ignorant, he wants to help everyone to learn the true faith. Its amazing how many people say bad things about the Catholic Church, but no one says anything about the satanic luther removing books and adding words to Sacred Scripture.
@MysticalCity Luther removed books that were never considered scripture...The Jews still to this doesn't..and Jesus was a Jew along with 11 of is Apostles...and you won't find them quoting from those books either...because they don't have to be in the Bible...they are full of errors...even your Catholic Jerusalem Bible states that! along with Pope Gregory the Great and Cardinal Cajtain....But your church removed one of the ten Commandments and divided one into two....so fit her lies.
@shanana000 those books have always been in the Bible since the Catholic church compiled The Bible, did you also know that luther wanted to remove 4 books from the NT? BTW just because Jesus didn't quote from them don't mean nothing, if quotation equals---
@shanana000 equals canonicity, then there are numerous books of the protocanonical Old Testament which would have to be excluded. This would include the Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Judges, 1 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Lamentations and Nahum. Not one of these Old Testament books is ever quoted or alluded to by Christ or the Apostles in the New Testament.
@MysticalCity where are my responses? I see how this is....typical roman catholic...afraid. I'm not going to waste my time. By the way, my family from Italy came to America and finally heard the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, and left the church of mary. Praise God for that! I am so grateful, the thought of possibly being raised in a false religion brings a chil down my spine..God help to open your eyes..i won't open next response just to spite you for your voris tacktic of fear of prot's
@shanana000 cool story, your family left the church of Jesus to join the church of satan, don't worry there are many more that want to go to hell, BTW every saint was Catholic(over 15,000) there will never be a protestant saint,baptist, lutheran, or anyone of the 40,000 sects started after martin luther,why? because there is only one True Church The Catholic, which was started by Jesus upon Saint Peter, go preaching your satanic faith only doctrine, see where you will end up.
@MysticalCity That's not what that says. Read it in context. Yeshua (Christ) was asking who the people thought He was. They named various people, and Yeshua asked who they thought He was. Then Peter says the Mashiach (Messiah). Then Yeshua names him Peter, and upon this rock (the fact that He is the Messiah) will He build His church. Not upon Peter, or the Catholic church.
If you read Scriptures, you see James was the nominal head of the group in Jerusalem, not Peter.
@believerinYHWH WOW, St.Mark 3:16; St.John 1:42 – Jesus renames Simon "Kepha" in Aramaic which literally means "rock." This was an extraordinary thing for Jesus to do, because "rock" was not even a name in Jesus' time. Jesus did this, not to give Simon a strange name, but to identify his new status among the apostles. When God changes a person's name, He changes their status.Also it can symbolizes leadership, such as Abram to Abraham(father of many nations) and Jacob to Israel( ruling with God)
@believerinYHWH St.John 21:15-17 - Jesus selects Peter to be the chief shepherd of the apostles when He says to Peter, "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Peter will shepherd the Church as Jesus’ representative.
St.John 21:15 - Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," referring to the other apostles. Jesus singles Peter out as the leader of the apostolic college.
@MysticalCity According to your logic that this is true, why would Peter or Christ Himself start the Catholic Church and endorse it's teachings when they blatantly violate Scriptures? You are right that your Catholic Church is the One Church, the One Church spoken of in Revelation 17. Israel throughout the Old Testament was rebuked and punished for practicing paganism, yet your church teaches the Babylonian Mystery religion to the T. So why endorse you for what they were severely rebuked for?
@MysticalCity Ironic you quote 2Peter 3:16 since your church twists so much. The Trinity doctrine as I showed contradicts Deuteronomy 6:4. Trinity = 3 gods. Tri = 3, nity = root of diivinity, or god. So 3 gods doctrine does not equal out to YHWH is 1 god. It's pagan and of Babylonian origin.
P.S. Show me in Scripture where it says anyone not believing in a 3 gods doctrine is going to hell. It's not in there, but Scriptures does say not to add pagan practices into your worship.
@adamantis4657 Of course they do, they are her daughters. Still goes against Deuteronomy 6:4. Yes, I knew about the Hebrew word for God being a plural word. Still not a Trinity. The only way people see a Trinity, is when they already believe in one first. Otherwise there isn't enough to support the idea. Kinda like Christmas and all the other things I listed. Not in there.
@adamantis4657 Not her daughters? There are 2 types of "Christians" in this world. You are either Catholic or a Protestant, which means "Protesting Catholic." So either way you are Catholic. Every other church branched off or broke away from the RCC. That makes her the mother, a fact that she even admits and calls herself the Mother Church, and all other churches her daughters.
@adamantis4657 Illogical? The RCC is the 'Mother Church." I don't care if "all the others believe it so it must be true" argument. "All the other churches" also believe in Christmas, pagan bunny rabbit day, 1st day Sabbath (except for 7th day Adventists) instead of the 7th day, etc. That still doesn't make it right. The world will worship the Antichrist, it doesn't make them right.
@believerinYHWH: YES - ILLOGICAL because who is first? THE MOTHER OR THE DAUGHTER?
I tell u the Mother - that is not correct because when u study the history of the ORTHODOX CHURCH u can say that the RCC is a DAUGHTER OF HER and not the other way.
U don't care - OF COURSE U DON'T - because u think u are A NEW PROPHET - chosen by GOD to know TRUTH WHEN ALL OTHERS GO STRAIGHT TO HELL -uahhh.
@adamantis4657 Show me where it says in Scriptures where Christ was born in the winter time. It's not in there, because He wasn't born then. However, an ancient Babylonian "god" was born on Christmas (and just about every other pagan sun god). They even had a "Christmas tree." Show me pagan bunny rabbit day as His death in Scriptures. It isn't in there since He died on Passover. It doesn't matter if you call the bunny rabbit day Pescha or not, it isn't Passover since you changed the date - cont.
U are always talking about the BIBLE! TELL ME NOW - where does the bible come from? WHO HAS "CREATED" THE BIBLE? Who has collected the scriptures? Who has decided what belongs to ITS CANON and what not?
I TELL U THE FACTS:
The Holy Bible is a BOOK OF THE CHURCH AND THE HOLY FATHERS - WHEN U DON'T accept them - TAKE AWAY THEIR BOOK.
@adamantis4657 Scriptures as a whole are not the "Catholics" book. Did YHWH use the Catholic church to compile some of the books? Sure. YHWH used the scribes and pharisees to compile the OT as well. Yet according to Yeshua (Christ) we shouldn't follow their traditions and doctrines. So why should we follow your churches doctrines and traditions when they aren't in Scriptures and mirror ancient Babylon's religious doctrines? Scriptures says to flee from Babylon and to come out of her.
What nonsense AGAIN u are posting? U say (really ridiculous) GOD USED DECEPTED PEOPLE to CREATE THE HOLY BIBLE?
Wow - that sounds really LOGICAL!
FACT IS - the Bible is a BOOK OF THE HOLY FATHERS - which in your EYES ARE PAGANS and DECEPTED - so the LOGICAL CONCLUSION = also their DEEDS AND WORKS ARE PAGAN AND DECEPTED.
So according to your conclusion = BIBLE IS WRONG AND DECEPTED!
@adamantis4657 If ANY of this stuff you say is Biblical then kindly show the verses. I answered some of your questions, now answer mine by Scriptures. So far all you have done is insult, and quote your traditions. Neither of which are Biblical. Again, YHWH had the OT preserved by the scribes and pharisees, so He can use corrupted people for His will. Just like your churches and the NT. By YOUR logic, since the pharisees were corrupt, does that make all the OT corrupted and thrown out?
We are talking FROM WHERE THE BIBLE COMES FROM! This is the first ERROR. Because u deny FACTS:
BIBLE = BOOK OF THE CHURCH
When u accept the Bible u also have to accept the Holy Fathers - when u do not accept the Holy Fathers - u also do not accept the Bibel.
How silly it is to say: Well the Holy Fathers were PAGANS and DECEPTED but God chose them for his BIBLE - THIS IS ABSOLUT NONSENSE and ridiculous and no intelligent person will agree with u.
1.) The church celebrates the great FEASTS of our LORD on SPECIAL DAYS. Some Feast really happened on those days and some not.
2.) SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES the Feast of the Nativity of our LORD was celebtrated on 25th of December. Go and read the Apostolic Constitutions, .....
Christ was borne 9 MONTHS AFTER THE ANNUNCIATION of the Archangel to the Virgin Mary 25th of MARCH and 6 Months after the BIRTH of St. John - 25th of JUNE
@adamantis4657 I have many errors on Christmas? I ask for Scriptures from you to prove He was born on that day, and your entire post was about tradition with no verses. Those dates you gave are not in Scriptures, but are your traditions. Yes, we do know what day He was born on, and it isn't the same day every pagan sun god in existence was born on, and Tammuz which was an ancient Babylonian god. 12/25 was his birthday, not Christ's birthdate.
@adamantis4657 On an aside note, since I just posted on the way your churches chose to calculate His death. Interestingly enough, the 40 days prior to pagan bunny rabbit day, in ancient Babylon, they would set those days aside to ponder the mysteries of Tammuz's life and death among other mysteries. Kind of like the way your churches do with Lent. You go back 40 days and ponder the mysteries of the Rosary, of Christ's life and death, etc. Yet another coincidence right?
U are always talking abou things without ANY INFORMATION. The great Fast was established because ALSO THE ISRAELITS HAVE BEEN 40 YEARS in the dessert. ALSO CHRIST FASTED..etc...
40 is a symbolic TIME OF purification and repetance - GO AND SEARCH THE BIBLE u will OFTEN FIND the Number 40 for a time of preparation.
That is why the Church ordered to keep a strict FAST during 40 days (ususally there are more) BEFORE THE GREAT DAY OF PASCHA
Are u IGNORANT? I have told u that there is NO BUNNY DAY RABBIT FEastday in the Holy Church. Some silly people celebrate it that way - BUT THOSE POEPLE ARE NOT TRUE CHRISTANS or REALLY MEMBER OF THE CHURCH.
We CELEBRATE THE PASCHA OF THE LORD, THE GREAT PASCHA; THE MYSTERIOUS PASCHA, THE NEW PASCHA
@adamantis4657 You said: "Christ was borne 9 MONTHS AFTER THE ANNUNCIATION of the Archangel to the Virgin Mary 25th of MARCH and 6 Months after the BIRTH of St. John - 25th of JUNE."
Interesting! You have both important births pretty much on the Summer Solstice and on the Winter Solstice. Both of which are important days of pagan sun worshippers throughout the ages. Babylon kept these days as well. Your churches also have sun beams coming off of everyone's head. More sun worship stuff.
I have told u that FROM APOSTOLIC TIMES (go and study the writings of the early church) the NATIVITY OF CHRIST WAS CELEBRATED ON 25th of DECEMBER.
This also can be proven FROM SCRIPTURES because St. John the Baptiste was CONCEPTED on A VERY SPECIAL DAY - when HIS FATHER ZACHARIAS ENTERED THE HOLY OF HOLIES - this is ONLY ONCE A YEAR!
It was the 23th of SEPTEMBER - the Archangel Gabriel appeared 6 months LATER TO THE HOLY VIRIGN
@adamantis4657 False. It doesn't say Zacharias was the High Priest. Luke 1:5 says he was a priest of the order of Abijah. That's not the high priest, but one of the Levites. Go to 1 Chronicles 24:10 to see that Abijah was to be there in the 8th week. Now add 2 weeks to that since every priest served the week of Passover and the week of Pentecost (Shavu'ot) because there were to many sacrifices for only 1 group to do. So that makes it the 10th week of the year on the Hebrew calendar.
@believerinYHWH: SO THERE IS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE DATE OF CHRIST'S BIRTH=
25th of DECEMBER -as it was CELEBRATED SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES.
It does not matter if some Pagans also used those days. This Feasts happened on VERY SPECIAL DAYS - because GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH (and not pagan gods) AND HE HAS CHOSEN THOSE SPECIAL DAYS FOR HIS FEAST.
As u can read in Genesis when God created the SUN and the MOON - for the calculation of special days. READ THE BIBLE
@adamantis4657 Again. You quote purely your churches traditions. Not Scriptures. I gave you the key in Abijah. You can do the math from there and you will land on a certain OT Feast Day. I just gave you His birthdate. Do the math. It's not 12/25 BTW.
CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS - some say it was EXACTLY THE 25th of MARCH when he was concepted by the HOLY VIRIGN. He completed the years of 33.
The church CELEBRATES that FEAST not on a FIXED DATE but on MOVEABLE Calendar - LIKE THE JEWS CALCULATED THE PASCHA.
Since it is STRICLTY FORBIDDEN BY THE APOSTLES TO CELEBRATE TOGETHER WITH THE JEWS - the Church has its own way of CALCULATION (which is very similar to the Jewish calculation)
@adamantis4657 You said: "Since it is STRICLTY FORBIDDEN BY THE APOSTLES TO CELEBRATE TOGETHER WITH THE JEWS - the Church has its own way of CALCULATION (which is very similar to the Jewish calculation)"
Show me that in Scriptures. It just so happens that they way you chose to calculate His death, is the same way ancient Babylon used to calculate Tammuz's death. Coincidence right?
@adamantis4657 The last 4 posts are all traditions of your churches and not in Scriptures. Yes, the OT Laws are still in effect. Your churches even say the 10 commandments are to be followed. Those were given to Moses, and the Sabbath was the 7th day back then since the Sabbath was ordained way back in Genesis. So do we ONLY need to keep the 10, or is it 9 now? Or is it 8, since idolatry is now allowed also, as long as you don't call it idolatry? You are being deceived.
1.) When we HAVE TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW (why AGAIN u did not answer my question?) ARE U CIRCUMCISED? DO U KEEP THE SABBATH (u are not even allowed to travell on Sabbath), DO U OFFER THE SACRIFIECES? DO EATH KOSHER?
2.) The NT is very CLEAR: IN CHRIST THE LAW IS FULLFILLED and WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW ANYMORE!
READ the LETTER OF PAUL - he explains that TOPIC exactly!
@adamantis4657 Let me ask you a question. If I no longer have to obey the Law, is it safe to sum up the meaning of the "new law of Christ" as: do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, but do it under love? I am eagerly awaiting your response to this question.
That is REALLY FUNYY! I asked u A FEW QUESTION NOW several times and I RECEIVED NO ANSWER!
It is not honest to ask questions when u refuse to answer the question that I asked u!
I AKSED U - DO U KEEP THE LAW? ARE U CIRCUMCISED? DO U KEEP THE SABBATH (not even travelling) it is forbidden to travell on SABBATH. Do u eat pork? Do u keep all those RITUALS that are ORDERED BY BOD IN THE OT?
@adamantis4657 I will answer a few of your questions, even though you have YET to answer 1 of mine. Do I keep the Law? I try. I fail, but I do try. Am I circumcised? Yes. When? I don't know, it's a common practice in America around the time of birth. Do I keep the 7th day Sabbath? Yes. Do I eat pork? Not knowingly. I say that because the USDA does not require certain things to be listed on the label. For example Colgate toothpaste pumps use dried pig fat to lube the pumps. Not listed. -cont.
@adamantis4657 I will answer a few of your questions, even though you have YET to answer 1 of mine. Do I keep the Law? I try. I fail, but I do try. Am I circumcised? Yes. When? I don't know, it's a common practice in America around the time of birth. Do I keep the 7th day Sabbath? Yes. Do I eat pork? Not knowingly. I say that because the USDA does not require certain things to be listed on the label. For example Colgate toothpaste pumps use dried pig fat to lube the pumps. Not listed. -cont.
@believerinYHWH: So EVERY LORD's DAY IS THE FEAST OF HIS RESURRECTION!
Since apostolic times, christians GATHERED on THE LORD'S DAY TO REMEMBER HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.
In the Ethiopian Orthodox Church they keep also strictly the Sabbath - but that is an exception because WE DO NOT KEEP THE LAW ANYMORE IN A LITERAL SENSE.
We are even allowed to EAT PORK and other .....(which was strictly forbidden in the OT)
@adamantis4657 to align with the way the ancient Babylonians used to calculate the day of their day. Even the name Easter is named after a pagan fertility goddess. Her symbols were eggs, rabbits, and baby ducks. What does "Christianity" use on this day? Egg hunts/chocolate eggs, chocolate rabbits, and Peeps (baby ducks). Odd how everything associated with these 2 days are exactly the same as Babylon, yet not official doctrine. Same thing with Lent. Your churches changed the Sabbath to - cont.
@adamantis4657 the same day that Babylon and every other sun-worshippers have celebrated their holy day; the day of the Unconquerable Sun, otherwise known as SUNday. Coincidence right? Nowhere does it say the Sabbath changed days, and even Catholic writings confirm this. They admit that they changed it. UnBiblical. It doesn't matter if Christianity has been doing it this way for 1500 years or whatever. It's still wrong, and has been for 1500 years or so.
@adamantis4657 Not very educated? You worship Mary. Show me that in Scriptures. Show me Mary as a "Queen of Heaven" in Scriptures. Show me the "Immaculate Conception" in Scriptures. Show me the "Assumption of Mary" in Scriptures. Show me ANY of that garbage in Scriptures. The OT talks a bit about worshipping the Queen of Heaven. Israel was told not to do it. When they did it anyway, they were rebuked for it. Show me ANY of the items I previously mentioned in Scriptures. They are not there.
@adamantis4657 Matthew 7:21-23 says: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Workers of lawlessness = don't obey the Law. Those things you threw out.
@adamantis4657 You say I am full of pride and deception, and not you. You have yet to quote Scriptures for your beliefs. It is not pride to call paganism paganism. I disagree with your church, and you get mad and say I'm proud and am going to burn in Hell, while providing no proof either for your traditions or for me burning for disagreeing with you. Your whole cursing God and stone = murder thing is wrong and twisted.
1.) Yes, because u think MILLIONS of Saints have gone to HELL and are pagan - BUT NOT U.
2.) NO, u are enlightened by GOD - u are the New Moses - perhaps Elijah?
3.) The Holy Fathers have spent their whole lifes in FASTING, UNCEASING PRAYER, the followed CHRIST in everything; they lived in desserts - without any comfort ONLY FOR GOD. Studying unceasingly the Scriptures
@adamantis4657 Out of all those posts you just posted, huh? I have answered some of your questions. Now kindly answer mine from Scriptures. You have yet to do so. I showed you the Abijah verse so you know when he was in the Temple. You can do the math from there. You dismiss it and say basically your church teaches this in traditions, so traditions is right, yet never quote the verse from Scriptures to prove it.
I don't think you CAN prove it from Scriptures, since you refuse to do so.
1.) We have TALKED about WHERE THE BIBLE CAME FROM = THE HOLY CHURCH
2.) I have shown that your conclusions are ILLOGICAL and SILLY and that NOT EVEN ONE INTELLIGENT PERSON will follow u
3.) What should I prove from Scripture? That St. John the Baptiste was borne on 23rd of September - the 10th Tischri = 23rd of September according to roman calendar?
Zachariah went into the TEMPLE to offer INCENCE - this was done ONCE A YEAR
@adamantis4657 Same question? I have asked multiple questions, and you haven't answered a single one yet from Scriptures as requested. You have done nothing but insult and quote your churches traditions. Zechariah was not in the Temple once per year as you claim. I have shown you the Luke verse showing he was of the order of Abijah. That makes him a Levite, not the High Priest. This wasn't the Yom Kippur offering he was doing, but the daily incense offering.Kindly answer my questions please.
@adamantis4657 Lying? You quote my verse that I quoted to you to prove that you answered me with Scriptures? Huh? I gave you that verse and the Luke verse showing that was his division so you can see when he was in the Temple. 8th week. Now add 2 more weeks for the week of Passover and Pentecost, since all the priests served those 2 weeks, due to the large number of sacrifices. That gives us the 10th week of the year for his visit from the angel. So roughly 3/15, since 10 weeks is 3 1/2 months.
@adamantis4657 Now add 6 months to that for Elizabeths pregnancy and the visit to Mary. That gives us roughly 9/15 - 10/15 since we don't know if he came at the beginning or end of the month. Now add 9 months for Mary to conceive. This brings us to 6/15 - 7/15 on the Hebrew calendar. Leviticus 23:34 shows that day is the Feast of Tabernacles. That's His birthday. Remember, the Word was made flesh and TABERNACLED among us. Yes, he tabernacled among us on the Feast of Tabernacles.
It is funny that u tell me that I am always concerned on "TRADITION" and u start to create a NEW TRADITION of the birth of CHRIST!
Christ was borne on 25th of December the jewish FEAST of Hanukkah the feast of LIGHTS. Zachariah served on a very SPECIAL DAY as we can see from Scripture:
10 And all the multitude of the people was praying without, at the hour of incense.
No no no dude. Give it up. I dont even have to see any of your videos or this one. I already know its crap. Mr. Voris knows what he's saying and you don't, obviously. The crazy thing is, i can't believe people would actually like this.
eljoker75 3 days ago
My main complaint Michael Voris isn't so much what he says but his lack of intelligence and lack of ability to understand English. I used to watch him and when I corrected him on something he could not understand what I wrote even though I explained his error several ways. The last thin he said was that I just liked to complain (because I wouldn't agree with him) and he blocked me from commenting again.
He either didn't understand what I wrote or couldn't admit he was in error.
almagore1 4 months ago
Ken. Why don't you do a better video after you get your foot out of your mouth.
lastud9 4 months ago
Ken, instead of "calling out" Michael Voris why don't you call out the men who "changed" thousands of years of Church teaching? They're the bad bishops who are contradicting themselves.
MarekWyandotte 4 months ago
What you think multiple religions with conflicting beliefs are all correct? How do you reconcile that belief with logic? I've watched most of Michael Voris's videos and they are very good. His arguments are very logical.
imbonnie 4 months ago
Islam is a false religion, built on the blood of Jews and real christians, In Medina. Muhammad slaughtered everyone that didnt agree with him, Voris has NO clues about Islam, I bet he and his false Vatican havent even read the Koran, haddith and sunnah. Islam will be first, to be destroyed along with the Vatican, so says, the Revelation, Chapter 18/19. The Catholic / Vaticanus will be utterly destroyed by the coming of Christ. Ezekiel 38.
dandy74able 4 months ago
@dandy74able Are you high?
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
You are absolutely right Ken, Voris is a false teacher that knows nothing about the Abrahamic covenant, let alone the Bible, in fact, Catholicism hates Israel, The Pope called for a 2 state solution, she didnt back Israel, she is Pro Arab. She is also the False Prophet, the Little horn in Daniel, that speaks profanities about God and his people, She wants to take over the land of Israel, THAT IS HER AGENDA. she pays lip service to muslim, the Arabs in the Land......She is the beast of Rev......
dandy74able 4 months ago
@dandy74able I am a Catholic and whole Bible believer. You are correct about the Catholic Church not understanding the Bible or or believing it. It breaks my heart that the Pope has called for a 2 state solution and takes the side of pagans (The Jewish people worship the same God that we Christians do but the Muslims worship a false god.) over Israel and against what God has written in the Bible. I don't believe that the Catholic church is the beast though. I would say more but I'm out of words.
almagore1 4 months ago
Michael Voris is a false teacher, and a dictator, He has to " approve " comments in his video. He claims the Catholic Church took over from the Jews from AD70. which is totally false, The Times of the Gentiles is to EVERY man, not to the Vatican. If the Vatican Catholic system was the truth, how is it that the Church backed Hitler during the war? and as a result, millions of Jews died. The Vatican is anti semitic, and it proves it in her history, Mr Voris is a Liar!
dandy74able 4 months ago
You cite selective statements from Lumen Gentium and selective actions of our popes without a real understanding of what message is in fact being preached. There is no "religious indifferentism". It is merely an acknowledgement of our lack of knowledge concerning God's will. We know that it is God's will that all come to the fullness of Truth. Yet, we do not know how He will accomplish this. No one can be held responsible for the sins of another. Yet you suggest just the opposite.
jrmedlocksfo 4 months ago
Not only WRONG...but just plain BORING. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
grh5699 4 months ago
I also asked Michael, if he would be so kind as to explain on a Vortex episode the views on idol worship in the scriptures to all his faithful Catholic viewers. This idolator was deafening in his silence
DelBluenose80 4 months ago
Protestantes Ament
I have posted on Vortex videos too criticising Voris for some of his nonsense only to have any further comments suspended.
Catholicism and censorship, imagine that!!!
DelBluenose80 4 months ago
@DelBluenose80 I was blocked and my post not allowed for posting CCC 841 and asking for an explanation. Also tried to explain the whole Peter and the rock thing, but was blocked.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U HAVE ANSWERED NOT MY QUESTIONS:
1.) U have answered REALLY my questions! Where the BIBLE CAME FROM, what's about the Holy Fathers - the church - YOUR SILLY CONCLUSIONS (Fathers decepted - chosen by God for His service) IS NOT AN ANSWER FOR INTELLIGENT PEOPLE
2.) U have shown that U DAMNED YOURSELF - because u said U DO NOT KEEP EVERY PART OF THE LAW - so u are under the CURSE OF THE LAW.
3.) YOUR CALCULATION is BASED NOT ON THE BIBLE but on YOURSELF.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 "3.) YOUR CALCULATION is BASED NOT ON THE BIBLE but on YOURSELF."
I have quoted Bible verses and walked you through the math for the dates. Your dates are traditions, since that is all you quote in support for them. I have answered some of your questions, now again, kindly answer some of mine with the Scriptural verses.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U have not quoted Bible verses - TO SAY THAT IS NOT HONEST (as all your "theology")
U did not post verses from the Bible u only said: The course of Abijah was the 8th - and U ASSUMED WITH YOUR CALCULATION - WITH WEEKS - that there was a different DATE.
That is not biblical - or more biblical than mine! COME ON be honest. We came to different conclusions but yours is ONLY A CALCULATION.
We do not know exactly how the courses were done in the Temple - speculation!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Look, this is pointless. You have refused to answer my questions based on Scriptures as I requested, even though I have answered some of your personal questions about myself. You keep talking about this is the way things were done from Apostalic times, so therefore it's right. Period. I have shown you the date, as well as who Zechariah is, from Scriptures, and you have rejected both in order to cling to your traditions. You are too emotionally invested in being right and - cont.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: WHY ARE U PERMANENTLY LYINE?
I have answered YOUR QUESTIONS!
I did not EVEN MENTION THE TRADITION OF CHURCH - AS I TOLD U MANY TIMES NOW! Because would I mention all those FACTS from Holy TRADITION - I would have to POST UNCEASINGLY FOR WEEKS here.
I was talking about HOW THE FATHERS HAVE COME THE DATE OF 25th of DECEMBER FROM THE BIBLE. But u did nto accept that - BECAUSE U HAVE ANOTHER CALCULATION FROM BIBLE.
BOTH ARE FROM THE BIBLE! That was the point
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: WHAT HAVE U SHOWN?
Sorry, but u have shown nothing! U only said that the CALCULATION OF THE CHURCH can not be correct - ok. Later u tried with VERSES FROM THE OT to prove your to be true!
I have told that yours lack of BEING A FACT because EVEN HEBREW SCHOLARS say that we today do not know how EXACTLY THE COURSES OF THE SERVICES were done in the Temple.
So your calculation is not more biblical than that of the CHURCH! Why do u deny that FACT?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: WHO WAS ZACHARIAH!
Where have u shown who Zachariah was? I read all your posts but I can not find any post where u have shown who Zachariah was?
U only said that Zachariah was a Priest and served the daily Service - AGAIN YOUR INTERPRETATION is NOT MORE BIBLICAL THAN THOSE OF OTHERS.
I said; that it could not have been an ordinary DAILY SERVICE because the Gospel has a special FORM to mention it. And because of other reasons....
U said Zachariah was the the MARTYR
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 defending your churches traditions to have a rational discussion with. You feel you are right; so be it. I disagree, however. I have asked several questions over the last few days, and you are either unable or unwilling to answer any of them. Therefore this is pointless and a waste of time. Let us just go our separate ways. Perhaps someone else will come across our discussion and see the verses I have provided and it can help them. Take care. I will not be replying anymore to you.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: I HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED TO DEFEND APOSTOLIC TRADITION:
U ARE WRONG in ALL CASES because not because I "feel right" because YOUR ARGUMENTION WAS BASED on:
THE CHURCH IS PAGAN and CHRISTMAS IS BASED ON PAGAN DATES
I have shown that this is not true - EVEN WHEN U DO NOT ACCEPT THE CALCULATION OF THE FATHERS - u are WRONG!
Because the DATE WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE OF THE BIBLICAL CALCULATION and not pagan DATES!
Do u understand what I mean?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 You may be correct that December 25th was picked for the celebration of Christmas because of pagan dates; I don't know. But even if that was the case that is not necessarily bad. When the monasteries had to convert the pagan tribes that defeated the Roman Empire it made sense to "Christianize" the pagan Holidays by changing the meaning of the pagan symbols. The evergreen tree symbolizes eternal life, it's shape is a triangle symbolizing the Trinity.
almagore1 4 months ago
@almagore1: U got me wrong! I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST JESUS WAS BORNE ON 25th OF DECEMBER. Because since APOSTOLIC TIMES his NATIVITY WAS CELEBRATED ON THAT DAY.
Many Fathers have spoken about that DATE and also the Apostolic Constitutions mention that day.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Thanks for correcting me and clarifying your belief. Thank you also for informing me that Jesus birthday was celebrated on December 25th from apostolic times. I didn't know that. God bless you in all things and lead you to all truth.
almagore1 3 months ago
@believerinYHWH: AND I HAVE ASKED U TO SHOW ME HOW U CAN KNOW THAT HE WAS NOT THE ZACHARIAH MENTIONED IN 23:35?
Until now u refused to answer! OF COURSE BECAUSE U CAN NOT PROVE IT!
I have answered ALL QUESTIONS honestly! But the problem is, that u REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEM!
All that u say is from BIBLE - as u assume - in reality it is a VERY PERSONAL INTERPRETATION of the Text - nothing more.
Isn't is funny that u are guilty of exact the same Sin that u accuse for others?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 defending your churches traditions to have a rational discussion with. You feel you are right; so be it. I disagree, however. I have asked several questions over the last few days, and you are either unable or unwilling to answer any of them. Therefore this is pointless and a waste of time. Let us just go our separate ways. Perhaps someone else will come across our discussion and see the verses I have provided and it can help them. Take care. I will not be replying anymore to you.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: YOUR ANSWERS!
U did not really answer MY QUESTIONS! I asked u if u KEEP THE LAW and if u are circumcised etc..
U said: YES - because in USA it is common and that u do not eat pork etc..
That is not an answer BECAUSE WHEN U KNOW THE BIBLE u know that the LAW consists of MUCH MORE than being circumcised because it is common and not eating pork.
I also do not eat PORK - because I don't like it - Do I keep because of that the LAW of MOSES - NO.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
“And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail...” Origen, Commentary on John, 5:3 (A.D. 232).
“As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built!” Jerome, To Pope Damasus, Epistle 15 (A.D. 375).
"Peter bore the person of the church.” Augustine, Sermon 149:7 (inter A.D. 391-430).
MysticalCity 5 months ago
You are false! What he is saying is the truth. All protestant church's are man made in the teachings of Luther. He decided that he did not agree with the Catholic Church on some of what the they teach, which are the words of Our LOrd and Savior, Jesus Christ. He then broke away from the church and began teaching HIS ideas, not God's word as stated in the bible. He took the parts he liked and wanted. So to say the Catholic Church is not the One True Church is heresey.
losnlee02 5 months ago
Indeed, this all comes tumbling down when faced with the infallibility of the Ordinary and universal magisterium of the Church such as embodied in Vatican 2.
Further who precisely are any of us to declare who God may, or may not save? The Church is not teaching that the rejection of Christ is not a grave grave matter, but rather that God, whose ways are not ours, may reach out further than we can possibly imagine.
MrWildbill20056 5 months ago
By "TradionalCatholic" you mean, to say an SSPX follower.
polgas733 5 months ago
@polgas733 What is a SSPX follower? Not trying to be a smarta. I really do not know.
losnlee02 5 months ago
It is always pertinent to remember that Vatican II was an oecumenical council, and didn't redefine or change, or indeed introduce anything.
It therefore isn't infalliable.
You are allowed your own interpretation and free speech, but the Church proclaims the Truth and leads by example, not someone on Youtube - neither Kenbird1 or RealCatholicTV
jbosco08 5 months ago
Vatican II does not teach what you say it teaches. You are making the same mistake Catholic indiferentists make, except they embrace it and you condemn it. I repeat, Vatican II does not teach what you guys are saying.
FetrovskyGoogle 5 months ago
"And um...uh....."
bheadh 5 months ago
I applaud you sir. Although I do not agree with your religious views you do know exactly what you are talking about citing exact quotes and not speaking opinion. I am glad to see someone took the time to rip Michael Voris to shreds. This is a very knowledgeable video. Thank you for taking the time to research your facts and beliefs and present them in a civilized manor. Kudos Kenbird
TimberwolfKW 5 months ago
I listened to about four minutes of your video, so I can only comment on that in regard to what I heard. I would like to see in print exactly what in Lumen Gentium you are positing is heresy, as well as the synod/council of Rome you quoted. If you don't mind, do you have weblinks to these? Also, I am wondering, from what I read in some comments, what has caused you to believe that John Paul II was an anti-pope?
yablabo 6 months ago
Please , I've been Catholic from birth, 61 now, and Michael Voris is right on, your young and have been mis lead, I won't argue with you. you will get it from Jesus Christ, sooner or later.
ElijahsSpirit 6 months ago
Whorex? Yea... very tasteful
mmorrtt 6 months ago
I dunno whether to thumb up for ripping on Voris or thumb down for him thinking his religion is real, lol.
l337pwnage 6 months ago
Kenbird, When we juxtaposing your video with Michael V. vortex video, there are two things that really come so clearly to our mind. It obviously clear that there is a divine spirit of God in Michael, while you have that spirit of Devil, that is trying to destroy the whole truth about the life of God's creature, his people. Devil sin against God, by saying I will not serve God, because of his pride, and it turn him into rage and hatred against the people of God and the whole truth which is God.
2750valio 6 months ago
@rusda ... I am a Catholic so I believe if the Holy Father the Pope approved (the writtings of St. Alphonsis then there is something in them for us to learn from the HOLY SPIRIT in them. Recall that even Jesus used such language as: " If your eye is your trouble, cut it out..." not all persons understand ALL of Scripture. (Recall also that there is a group of persons - or were- who were deforming themselves because they believed they should take this scripture passage 'literally' ...
ilivelifewithjoy 6 months ago
all persons do not understand all of the teachings of the Saints or Scripture... in regard to the passage " I was with him in the beginning .... as it says elsewhere in Sacred Scripture " All things were created "Though HIm, with HIM in HIm and for Him.. that is "JESUS" esp MARY beacause of this "...she was with Him.." Mary is how Jesus came into this world.... Do you have the grace to understand God's TRUE relationship to Mary ?
ilivelifewithjoy 6 months ago
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael was the same God. God protected Ishmael. Muslims are descendants of Ishmael. At this point in history God was known as the "One God" To us, the ONE God has also revealed as "Trinity", so therefore to say they adore the same God as we do as Catholics is not heretical in teaching even though their minds cannot believe this "ONE God" is also a Trinity of persons. there is so much more implicit in the teaching of the Vat II...
To make this clearer
ilivelifewithjoy 6 months ago
....To try to make the teaching of VAT II clearer by some of these things you are pointing out by explaining what is inplicit in the teachings would be a much better approach... some these teachings are stepping stones to seek more into what the HOLY SPIRIT is trying to say... for others these teachings are stummbling blocks to deeper truth. Some who do not understand, do not humble themselves and pray to 'understand' but believe evil where there is none. The human lang. can't fully express it
ilivelifewithjoy 6 months ago
I really appreciate you knowledge of the Popes and their writtings as well as the Catechism and Vat. ii. There are those who find these of source of Scandal and stummbling blocks, and others find them stepping stones to deeper truth. If one loses their faith in the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT... they begin to follow another spirit under the guise of some good. It would be a much better effort on your part to find the HOLY SPIRIT behind VAT II and fill in the gaps for the faithful.
ilivelifewithjoy 6 months ago
@ilivelifewithjoy The Trinity Doctrine goes against Deuteronomy 6:4. It is of Babylonian origin, like much of the other "Christian" doctrine the "churches" teach: Christmas, pagan bunny rabbit day, Lent, 1st day of the week worship instead of the 7th, crosses, hot cross buns, "Queen of Heaven" stuff, Christ rose with the rising of the sun instead of the setting of the sun, mitre hat, holiday ham, Mary as the bride of the Holy Spirit (thus marrying her son who is also His father), etc. All pagan!
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
St. Jerome considered the seven Deutero-Canonical books to be NOT inspired by God,(which he later accepted) but he was commissioned by Pope Damasus to translate all 73 books into Latin. Pope Damasus considered the 7 DC books to be inspired by God. Later in 1946, after the finding of the dead-sea scrolls, it was discovered that these 7 DC books were used by the Jews in Alexandria, even in their services. This verifies that Pope Damasus was correct. The CC did not add, protestants subtracted.
MysticalCity 6 months ago 4
@MysticalCity the last 2 didn't link to you. Sorry. Read them 1st before this 1 so it makes sense. Your church taught to ignore the OT Feast Days and Sabbath, and instead made up new ones. She changed times and seasons. The list goes on and on. Every item on that list to the T and then some.
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
I go to the Tridentine Mass. Maybe JPII made mistakes. But I think it's an oversimplification to say that ecumenism=religious indifferentism. It's one thing to say that all religions are equal (definitely wrong) and another to say that most religions have a glimmer of truth to them, which can be the common ground from which we can work to bring them to a fuller understanding of truth. The latter is what Vatican II promoted.
iloveeuclid 7 months ago 2
If you believe Jesus is the son of God then you have to believe Catholicism is the one true religion, he created it. To believe otherwise is to deny God.
projectdeepcover 7 months ago
@projectdeepcover youre blaspheming Jesus...he did not create that harlot of paganism called roman catholic church.
rusda2 7 months ago
@rusda2 Jesus said to Peter; Upon this rock I build my church and thus Peter was our first pope. The term Catholic is just a metaphor or label for Christianity per say. But the teachings of the Catholic church are forged by Jesus himself regardless of the title.
projectdeepcover 7 months ago
@projectdeepcover friend, did Jesus ever say that Mary was co creator "with Him forming the world..."? No He didnt, but the RCC & popes & "doctors" and "saints" of the catholic church say she was. thats heresy & blasphemy of the highest order..
Jesus is the Rock, not peter. there is no pope ever mentioned in scripture. Only Jesus is called the Rock in scripture because He is God. the RCC tries to put the pope forth as God on earth...also blasphemy in the highest degree.
rusda2 7 months ago
@rusda2 "did Jesus ever say that Mary was co creator "with Him forming the world..."? No He didnt, but the RCC & popes & "doctors" and "saints" of the catholic church say she was"
Wherever did you get that nonsense from? The Church, popes, doctors and saints NEVER said any such thing. If perhaps one, say, pope did say this then he was in error. The Holy Ghost reveals the Truth to the Church. Mary has never been declared a "co creator"!
mottledbrain 7 months ago
@mottledbrain that "nonsense" came out of the CATHOLIC book "The Glories of Mary". Ligouri, the author of the book, was SAINTED by a pope. He was also made a "DOCTOR of the Church" by a pope. The book in question has the IMPRIMATUR to be used to TEACH Catholics. Sorry to shock u but YES indeed they DID say such things & other blasphemies, I have the book. u say pope would be in error? this is a teaching of faith & morals, so if a pope was wrong on this, papal infallibility goes out the window.
rusda2 7 months ago
@rusda2 I've only read a portion of that book so far. Thanks for pointed it out.
Remember this though: Even saints are human. Just because someone has been declared a saint it in no way signifies that all they wrote is official Church teaching. This example says absolutely NOTHING about Papal infallibility.
If you really want to check what you read against Church teaching then check against the Catechism of the Catholic Church
mottledbrain 6 months ago
1. @mottledbrain hi friend, I think u are missing the point I was making. besides the fact that the book is written by one "sainted" by a pope & the author quoted other "saints"...the book has the "imprimatur" for official catholic teaching. the author was also made a "doctor" of the church by a pope. this teaching of RCC on mary is indeed a teaching of faith & morals & popes approving it as such means they agree with it, catechism not withstanding.
rusda2 6 months ago
2. @mottledbrain plus a careful readin of one of the quotes in my video shows that the words of proverbs "I was with Him forming all things" is applied BY THE CHURCH to Mary. Thats about as official as it gets. Thats the CHURCH agreeing with the author of the book. lots of things are taught in catholicism that are not in the "catty" or the bible. thanks for your comment friend :)
rusda2 6 months ago
@mottledbrain I quote: "The world which THOU (Mary) with God didst FORM from the beginning continues to exist at THY WILL, O most holy Virgin"..."the saint (St. Bonaventure) adhering in this to the words of Proverbs APPLIED BY THE CHURCH to Mary: I (Mary) was with Him FORMING all things."
Mary the Creator? yep.
entire book online: marys-touchDOTcom/Glories/DiscIVDOThtm (replace two DOT's with real ones)
I have the hard copy, quote is the same. Can supply page # of hard copy if needed.
rusda2 7 months ago
@rusda2 The Catholic Church does not teach Mary as a Co-Creator, no, she is not God. God the Trinity is the only Creator. Mary is called the Seat of Wisdom (book of Proverbs) it is the Holy Spirit Who is the UNCREATED WISDOM who rests within her.
Look at creation... was not she there in His MIND as he sees all in an eternal now? Was she not in His Mind when he thought of the FRUIT of JESUS the Son of MAN from her flesh??? If you have no idea of the Greatness of God's CREATION of Mary....
ilivelifewithjoy 6 months ago
@ilivelifewithjoy friend, you will have to argue that with the pope(s) who approved Ligouri's book by "sainting" him and making him a "doctor" of the church. you will have to argue that with those who gave his book the "imprimatur" thus officially approving the book to teach catholics.
the book did not say anything about being "in his mind", if that was the case, then mary has nothing on the rest of us because we were all in His mind. the book says what it says & was approved by pope(s).
rusda2 6 months ago
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@projectdeepcover That's not what that says. Read it in context. Yeshua (Christ) was asking who the people thought He was. They named various people, and Yeshua asked who they thought He was. Then Peter says the Mashiach (Messiah). Then Yeshua names him Peter, and upon this rock (the fact that He is the Messiah) will He build His church. Not upon Peter, or the Catholic church.
If you read Scriptures, you see James was the nominal head of the group in Jerusalem, not Peter.
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
You have no clue what you are talking about, Kenbird. The Catholic Faith is the one, true Faith.
redeemerslove 7 months ago
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I'll start off with a question? How does this is any way help unify the body of christ? Y'all argue over who can out argue who and the I know more than you" crap. That's called pride and it's satans biggest tool. When you look down on other because you think u know more it's wrong weather u are an atheist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, it only Corrupts and kills any chance of evangelism or peace.
Next. The catechism does say there is salvation out side the church, people who live the christian value
Mastanichols 7 months ago
I'll start off with a question? How does this is any way help unify the body of christ? Y'all argue over who can out argue who and the I know more than you" crap. That's called pride and it's satans biggest tool. When you look down on other because you think u know more it's wrong weather u are an atheist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, it only Corrupts and kills any chance of evangelism or peace.
Next. The catechism does say there is salvation out side the church, people who live the christian value
Mastanichols 7 months ago
@Mastanichols It is not an issue of looking down on anyone, regarding the Muslims. Jews and Christians worship the same God, Yaheveh. Muslims worship Allah and when the Koran gives the attributes of Allah they are different attributes that the Bible says are true of God. Therefore, even though the Muslims only worship one God it is not the real God, It is a concept that Mohamed made up. Therefore Muslims are Pagans or infidels and should be treated as the Bible says we should treat them.
almagore1 3 months ago
michael voris is an evangelical lutheran plant. he makes video's to round up catholics to are as stupid as southern baptists.
and then there is "you" (kenbird), splitting the tiniest of hairs in defense of opinions about a god that depends on "faith" and a basic understand of the difference between myth and a lie.
MpowerdAPE 7 months ago
@MpowerdAPE My assertions are based on many principals and facts that I doubt you have any concept of like divine revelation, dogma, historical precident, divine and canon law, and man's ability to judge these matters based on external actions not emotion, not assumption, nothing but truth pure and simple as God has revealed it to us.
Kenbird1 7 months ago
@Kenbird1 i know more about all of those things then you dare too suspect....
my comment sucked by the way. if i could rewrite it i would, thanks for your understanding.
joseph campbell once asked... "whats the difference between a myth and a lie...?" the funny thing about right-wing catholics is that they cant even get to this question without the permission of 2 dozen or so deceased greek and italion translators, editors, politicians, publishers.... etc etc etc....
MpowerdAPE 7 months ago
@Kenbird1 God has only revealed himself to us and truth to us in the Bible. I am Catholic but I only believe the Church if what it says is congruent with what God says in the Bible. It is my understanding that per Catholic teaching, the other 2 legs of the Church, the Magisterium and Sacred Tradition, can never oppose Sacred Scripture. In reality it does at times but the Catholic Church is more Bible based than any Protestant Church Man does not have the ability to judge this..
almagore1 3 months ago
The church does NOT need Not buffoonish wishy washy tree hugging kumbaya liturgical perverters which is exactly what she is permeated with by today - from the bishops right down to the laypeople. No, what the church needs today is stout warriors to ...remove the riff rafff and bring her back to the majesty she once was, returning her to her primary and sole mission of saving souls.
GabrielEspinosa7 7 months ago
The "Vatican II Movement???" Dude! Please if you are going to be making buffoonish commentaries regarding subjects about which you have no knowledge, go make them about something a bit more DOWN to your level of intelligence. Voris is to the point and does not dabble in stupidity nor political correctness...as if there were any difference! He is hardcore Roman Catholic and that is exactly what the church needs today. A true Warrior for Christ and a devout Knight for our Lady.
GabrielEspinosa7 7 months ago
Wow, I couldn't make it through 5 minutes of your Herp-a-Derp video. Voris may be a bit heavy-handed, but at least he gets to the point and in the end, his theology is SOUND.
You sound like a 5 year-old trying to teach Calculus. Herp. A. Derp.
drdst17 7 months ago
@drdst17 You wouldn't last five seconds in a theological dispute with me if you say that Voris' theology is sound. It's a vlog, it's my vlog, I can talk how I want and if you don't like it then that's your problem. Cling to your heresies and what you believe to be the Church is rather a flimsy transparent whimsical antidogmatic form of false Catholicism. Get a clue. Rome has lost the faith and has become the seat of the Antichrist the Church is in eclipse. Vatican catholic d o t com
Kenbird1 7 months ago
@drdst17 You really only need to use the phrase 'herp-a-derp one time. If you're going to use it at all.
SnideIsGood81 7 months ago
I'm glad Protestants broke of from the church of mary...Michael Voris doesn't man up. all he does is block you if opose his opinion...yeah, and do you notice he won't debate Protestant apologist?....that's because he doesn't want to loose.
shanana000 7 months ago
@shanana000 Protestantism is illogical, it makes no sense to propose a belief system that has never been taught in this world nor for the first fifteen centuries of Christianity. If the reformers are correct then the Apostles were wrong teaching a false doctrine incompatible with the theology of the reformers. Christ founded His Church on Peter, not on the bible, not on the personal interpretation of a layman who takes it upon himself to preach without being sent by God
Kenbird1 7 months ago 7
@Kenbird1 That's not what that says. Read it in context. Yeshua (Christ) was asking who the people thought He was. They named various people, and Yeshua asked who they thought He was. Then Peter says the Mashiach (Messiah). Then Yeshua names him Peter, and upon this rock (the fact that He is the Messiah) will He build His church. Not upon Peter, or the Catholic church.
If you read Scriptures, you see James was the nominal head of the group in Jerusalem, not Peter.
believerinYHWH 7 months ago
@Kenbird1 According to your own Catholic Catechism, number 841:
The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Your own teachings say you worship the same God as the Muslims. Talk about blasphemy and unBiblical doctrines, among others you teach.
believerinYHWH 7 months ago
@believerinYHWH U really do not pay attention do u? The whole entire reason 4 my channel is 2 show that the Church at Rome at this moment is not the Catholic Church but a counterfeit fake bcuz it teaches heresy contrary 2 the teachings of the authentic Catholic Faith like what u have just cited. That Catechism is heretical & further illustrates my point that John Paul 2 was an antipope. Then you arrogantly just go ahead and make an unqualified statement accusing me of teaching that nonsense.
Kenbird1 7 months ago
@Kenbird1 How are my 2 comments arrogant? Most Catholics I don't think know that's in there, so I was pointing it out. Your church hasn't been hijacked recently with false doctrines, it has had it from day 1. Christmas, 1st day worship, Lent, pagan bunny-rabbit day, Good 6th day, Trinity doctrine, Mary as a "Queen of Heaven," sun beams on everyones head, the Popes mitre hat, etc are all from ancient Babylon. To the T, plus much more. It teaches YHWH's Law is no longer to be obeyed. This is false
believerinYHWH 7 months ago
@Kenbird1 Whatever happened to papal infalliblity, promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13) I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail...He who hears you hears me
heresy? whatever happened to the gates of hell shall not prevail? Let us not forget that the Catholic Church was built on Peter.
polgas733 5 months ago
@Kenbird1 This is just the tip of the iceberg of the blasphemy though. It isn't just recent doctrines, but old ones too. It goes all the way back to the beginning. If you would like a more in-depth description of what
I'm speaking about, we can do it via personal message, since it will take a lot more than 500 characters to do so. I posted a VERY brief summary, but by NO MEANS ALL of the items in a post about 30 minutes or so ago at the time of this post. It's ALL pagan and of Babylonian origin
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
@Kenbird1 the RCC is the false church in the Bible.
shanana000 6 months ago
@shanana000 please stop with this garbage, The RCC is the false, the whor* etc.... is that all you protestants got? you do realize The Catholic Church put the books of The Bible together right? you do know luther added a word to the Bible right? you do know luther removed 7 books from the Bible right? you do know calvin even added his own epistle to scriptures right? actually you wouldn't know this, protestants don't know true history.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@Kenbird1 um, actually get a Bible and read it from cover to cover and then we can talk...because you obviously don't know what your talking about...no Apostle did what your church does or teaches what your church teaches..it's your church that turned from God's teaches early on in history, why do you think the RCC kept the Bible from people and would burn them at the stake for translating it into the common language of the day? God gave us His Word, not your church.
shanana000 6 months ago
@shanana000 Michael Voris shuts down anyone who is not Catholic, he only blocks them if they choose to remain ignorant, he wants to help everyone to learn the true faith. Its amazing how many people say bad things about the Catholic Church, but no one says anything about the satanic luther removing books and adding words to Sacred Scripture.
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Luther removed books that were never considered scripture...The Jews still to this doesn't..and Jesus was a Jew along with 11 of is Apostles...and you won't find them quoting from those books either...because they don't have to be in the Bible...they are full of errors...even your Catholic Jerusalem Bible states that! along with Pope Gregory the Great and Cardinal Cajtain....But your church removed one of the ten Commandments and divided one into two....so fit her lies.
shanana000 6 months ago
@shanana000 those books have always been in the Bible since the Catholic church compiled The Bible, did you also know that luther wanted to remove 4 books from the NT? BTW just because Jesus didn't quote from them don't mean nothing, if quotation equals---
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@shanana000 equals canonicity, then there are numerous books of the protocanonical Old Testament which would have to be excluded. This would include the Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Judges, 1 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Lamentations and Nahum. Not one of these Old Testament books is ever quoted or alluded to by Christ or the Apostles in the New Testament.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity where are my responses? I see how this is....typical roman catholic...afraid. I'm not going to waste my time. By the way, my family from Italy came to America and finally heard the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, and left the church of mary. Praise God for that! I am so grateful, the thought of possibly being raised in a false religion brings a chil down my spine..God help to open your eyes..i won't open next response just to spite you for your voris tacktic of fear of prot's
shanana000 6 months ago
@shanana000 cool story, your family left the church of Jesus to join the church of satan, don't worry there are many more that want to go to hell, BTW every saint was Catholic(over 15,000) there will never be a protestant saint,baptist, lutheran, or anyone of the 40,000 sects started after martin luther,why? because there is only one True Church The Catholic, which was started by Jesus upon Saint Peter, go preaching your satanic faith only doctrine, see where you will end up.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity That's not what that says. Read it in context. Yeshua (Christ) was asking who the people thought He was. They named various people, and Yeshua asked who they thought He was. Then Peter says the Mashiach (Messiah). Then Yeshua names him Peter, and upon this rock (the fact that He is the Messiah) will He build His church. Not upon Peter, or the Catholic church.
If you read Scriptures, you see James was the nominal head of the group in Jerusalem, not Peter.
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
@believerinYHWH WOW, St.Mark 3:16; St.John 1:42 – Jesus renames Simon "Kepha" in Aramaic which literally means "rock." This was an extraordinary thing for Jesus to do, because "rock" was not even a name in Jesus' time. Jesus did this, not to give Simon a strange name, but to identify his new status among the apostles. When God changes a person's name, He changes their status.Also it can symbolizes leadership, such as Abram to Abraham(father of many nations) and Jacob to Israel( ruling with God)
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@believerinYHWH St.John 21:15-17 - Jesus selects Peter to be the chief shepherd of the apostles when He says to Peter, "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Peter will shepherd the Church as Jesus’ representative.
St.John 21:15 - Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," referring to the other apostles. Jesus singles Peter out as the leader of the apostolic college.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity According to your logic that this is true, why would Peter or Christ Himself start the Catholic Church and endorse it's teachings when they blatantly violate Scriptures? You are right that your Catholic Church is the One Church, the One Church spoken of in Revelation 17. Israel throughout the Old Testament was rebuked and punished for practicing paganism, yet your church teaches the Babylonian Mystery religion to the T. So why endorse you for what they were severely rebuked for?
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
@believerinYHWH you don't believe in The Holy Trinity? o another soul to hell.
Some people misinterpret scripture to their own condemnation (2 St. Peter 3:16)
Private interpretation of scripture is forbidden by the bible itself (2 St. Peter 1:20)
don't forget to thank The Catholic Church for giving you the Bible.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Ironic you quote 2Peter 3:16 since your church twists so much. The Trinity doctrine as I showed contradicts Deuteronomy 6:4. Trinity = 3 gods. Tri = 3, nity = root of diivinity, or god. So 3 gods doctrine does not equal out to YHWH is 1 god. It's pagan and of Babylonian origin.
P.S. Show me in Scripture where it says anyone not believing in a 3 gods doctrine is going to hell. It's not in there, but Scriptures does say not to add pagan practices into your worship.
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ARE DEADLY WRONG! Because I am not CATHOLIC like "MysticalCity" BUT I AM AN ORTHODOX CHRISTAN.
THE TRINITY IS EVERYWHERE IN THE BIBLE. Take your bible and read it AGAIN - IT IS EVERYWHERE.
It is ridiculous to say there is NO DOGMA of the Trinity in the Bible. ALL ANCIENT CHURCHES AS WE KNOW - BELIEVE IN THE DOGMA OF THE TRINITY
NOT ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
GET SOME INFORMATION!
adamantis4657 5 months ago
@adamantis4657 Of course they do, they are her daughters. Still goes against Deuteronomy 6:4. Yes, I knew about the Hebrew word for God being a plural word. Still not a Trinity. The only way people see a Trinity, is when they already believe in one first. Otherwise there isn't enough to support the idea. Kinda like Christmas and all the other things I listed. Not in there.
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
@believerinYHWH:
1.) U should get some information on church history my friend! Those churches are not Her daughters - what nonsense!
2.) Deuteronom 6:4:
4 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. ( ECHAD IN HEBREW)
Where is the creed of the hebrews against the Trinity? That is nonsense! Read exactly
LORD - GOD - LORD - ECHAT - it is a confession of the TRINITY! ECHAD MEANS UNIQUE and NOT ONE IN HUMAN SENSE
adamantis4657 5 months ago
@adamantis4657 Not her daughters? There are 2 types of "Christians" in this world. You are either Catholic or a Protestant, which means "Protesting Catholic." So either way you are Catholic. Every other church branched off or broke away from the RCC. That makes her the mother, a fact that she even admits and calls herself the Mother Church, and all other churches her daughters.
believerinYHWH 5 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ARE ILLOGICAL and NOT VERY EDUCATED!
1.) Who in God's name has told u, that there are 2 branches of christianity? AGAIN NONSENSE
2.) THE RCC is ONE OF MANY CHURCHES
3.) THE RCC BROKE COMMUNION WITH THE ORTHODOX CHURCH and not the other way
4.) I WAS TALKING ABOUT (do u not wonder) - THAT ALL TRADITIONAL CHURCHES ( RCC, PROTESTANTS, ORTHODOX, ORIENTAL, etcc.)
THEY ALL BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY!
CAN U NOT SEE THAT IT IS A COMMON BELIEVE? U are decepted.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Illogical? The RCC is the 'Mother Church." I don't care if "all the others believe it so it must be true" argument. "All the other churches" also believe in Christmas, pagan bunny rabbit day, 1st day Sabbath (except for 7th day Adventists) instead of the 7th day, etc. That still doesn't make it right. The world will worship the Antichrist, it doesn't make them right.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: YES - ILLOGICAL because who is first? THE MOTHER OR THE DAUGHTER?
I tell u the Mother - that is not correct because when u study the history of the ORTHODOX CHURCH u can say that the RCC is a DAUGHTER OF HER and not the other way.
U don't care - OF COURSE U DON'T - because u think u are A NEW PROPHET - chosen by GOD to know TRUTH WHEN ALL OTHERS GO STRAIGHT TO HELL -uahhh.
LOL - that is called: DECEPTION
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: CHRISTMAS
What is WRONG TO CELEBRATE THE NATIVITY OF CHRIST? Since APOSTOLIC TIMES - christians CELEBRATED THE FEAST OF THE NATIVITY.
What u mix up here is the MODERN SECULAR CELEBRATION OF CHRISTAMS with Santa Claus, shopping, etc...
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUE CHRISTMAS - it is how the WORLD CELEBRATES IT.
The same with EASTER BUNNY - that is not what the HOLY CHURCH TEACHES for PASSCHA - it is how the SECULAR WORLD CELEBRATES IT.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Show me where it says in Scriptures where Christ was born in the winter time. It's not in there, because He wasn't born then. However, an ancient Babylonian "god" was born on Christmas (and just about every other pagan sun god). They even had a "Christmas tree." Show me pagan bunny rabbit day as His death in Scriptures. It isn't in there since He died on Passover. It doesn't matter if you call the bunny rabbit day Pescha or not, it isn't Passover since you changed the date - cont.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: BIBLE:
AGAIN WHY DID U NOT ANWER MY QUESTIONS?
U are always talking about the BIBLE! TELL ME NOW - where does the bible come from? WHO HAS "CREATED" THE BIBLE? Who has collected the scriptures? Who has decided what belongs to ITS CANON and what not?
I TELL U THE FACTS:
The Holy Bible is a BOOK OF THE CHURCH AND THE HOLY FATHERS - WHEN U DON'T accept them - TAKE AWAY THEIR BOOK.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Scriptures as a whole are not the "Catholics" book. Did YHWH use the Catholic church to compile some of the books? Sure. YHWH used the scribes and pharisees to compile the OT as well. Yet according to Yeshua (Christ) we shouldn't follow their traditions and doctrines. So why should we follow your churches doctrines and traditions when they aren't in Scriptures and mirror ancient Babylon's religious doctrines? Scriptures says to flee from Babylon and to come out of her.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: ILLOGICAL:
What nonsense AGAIN u are posting? U say (really ridiculous) GOD USED DECEPTED PEOPLE to CREATE THE HOLY BIBLE?
Wow - that sounds really LOGICAL!
FACT IS - the Bible is a BOOK OF THE HOLY FATHERS - which in your EYES ARE PAGANS and DECEPTED - so the LOGICAL CONCLUSION = also their DEEDS AND WORKS ARE PAGAN AND DECEPTED.
So according to your conclusion = BIBLE IS WRONG AND DECEPTED!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 If ANY of this stuff you say is Biblical then kindly show the verses. I answered some of your questions, now answer mine by Scriptures. So far all you have done is insult, and quote your traditions. Neither of which are Biblical. Again, YHWH had the OT preserved by the scribes and pharisees, so He can use corrupted people for His will. Just like your churches and the NT. By YOUR logic, since the pharisees were corrupt, does that make all the OT corrupted and thrown out?
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ARE TALKING NONSENSE:
When u read and study the Holy Bible u will see THAT ALWAYS CHOSE HOLY MAN for his work and not DECEPTED OR SINNERS.
Was Moses decepted? Was Abraham DECEPTED? WAS Daniel DECEPTED? NO
Was Peter DECEPTED? WAS PAUL DECEPTED? THE HOLY VIRGIN ? NO NO NO
The Holy Bible is a BOOK OF THE HOLY CHURCH - if u like it or not! This Book was created by the Holy Fathers which are DECEPTED IN YOUR EYES.
So why do u accept a book from decepted?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ARE TALKING NONSENSE:
When u read and study the Holy Bible u will see THAT ALWAYS CHOSE HOLY MAN for his work and not DECEPTED OR SINNERS.
Was Moses decepted? Was Abraham DECEPTED? WAS Daniel DECEPTED? NO
Was Peter DECEPTED? WAS PAUL DECEPTED? THE HOLY VIRGIN ? NO NO NO
The Holy Bible is a BOOK OF THE HOLY CHURCH - if u like it or not! This Book was created by the Holy Fathers which are DECEPTED IN YOUR EYES.
So why do u accept a book from decepted?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: QUOTING THE BIBLE.
We are talking FROM WHERE THE BIBLE COMES FROM! This is the first ERROR. Because u deny FACTS:
BIBLE = BOOK OF THE CHURCH
When u accept the Bible u also have to accept the Holy Fathers - when u do not accept the Holy Fathers - u also do not accept the Bibel.
How silly it is to say: Well the Holy Fathers were PAGANS and DECEPTED but God chose them for his BIBLE - THIS IS ABSOLUT NONSENSE and ridiculous and no intelligent person will agree with u.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: CHRIST' NATIVITY - AGAIN MANY ERRORS:
1.) The church celebrates the great FEASTS of our LORD on SPECIAL DAYS. Some Feast really happened on those days and some not.
2.) SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES the Feast of the Nativity of our LORD was celebtrated on 25th of December. Go and read the Apostolic Constitutions, .....
Christ was borne 9 MONTHS AFTER THE ANNUNCIATION of the Archangel to the Virgin Mary 25th of MARCH and 6 Months after the BIRTH of St. John - 25th of JUNE
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 I have many errors on Christmas? I ask for Scriptures from you to prove He was born on that day, and your entire post was about tradition with no verses. Those dates you gave are not in Scriptures, but are your traditions. Yes, we do know what day He was born on, and it isn't the same day every pagan sun god in existence was born on, and Tammuz which was an ancient Babylonian god. 12/25 was his birthday, not Christ's birthdate.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 On an aside note, since I just posted on the way your churches chose to calculate His death. Interestingly enough, the 40 days prior to pagan bunny rabbit day, in ancient Babylon, they would set those days aside to ponder the mysteries of Tammuz's life and death among other mysteries. Kind of like the way your churches do with Lent. You go back 40 days and ponder the mysteries of the Rosary, of Christ's life and death, etc. Yet another coincidence right?
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: THE GREAT FAST:
U are always talking abou things without ANY INFORMATION. The great Fast was established because ALSO THE ISRAELITS HAVE BEEN 40 YEARS in the dessert. ALSO CHRIST FASTED..etc...
40 is a symbolic TIME OF purification and repetance - GO AND SEARCH THE BIBLE u will OFTEN FIND the Number 40 for a time of preparation.
That is why the Church ordered to keep a strict FAST during 40 days (ususally there are more) BEFORE THE GREAT DAY OF PASCHA
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: BUNNY DAY RABBIT
Are u IGNORANT? I have told u that there is NO BUNNY DAY RABBIT FEastday in the Holy Church. Some silly people celebrate it that way - BUT THOSE POEPLE ARE NOT TRUE CHRISTANS or REALLY MEMBER OF THE CHURCH.
We CELEBRATE THE PASCHA OF THE LORD, THE GREAT PASCHA; THE MYSTERIOUS PASCHA, THE NEW PASCHA
CHRIST's RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD
CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD
TRAMPLINDG DOWN DEATH BY DEATH
and bestowing life upon those
in the TOMBS!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 You said: "Christ was borne 9 MONTHS AFTER THE ANNUNCIATION of the Archangel to the Virgin Mary 25th of MARCH and 6 Months after the BIRTH of St. John - 25th of JUNE."
Interesting! You have both important births pretty much on the Summer Solstice and on the Winter Solstice. Both of which are important days of pagan sun worshippers throughout the ages. Babylon kept these days as well. Your churches also have sun beams coming off of everyone's head. More sun worship stuff.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: NOT SUN WORHSIPP - NONSENSE:
I have told u that FROM APOSTOLIC TIMES (go and study the writings of the early church) the NATIVITY OF CHRIST WAS CELEBRATED ON 25th of DECEMBER.
This also can be proven FROM SCRIPTURES because St. John the Baptiste was CONCEPTED on A VERY SPECIAL DAY - when HIS FATHER ZACHARIAS ENTERED THE HOLY OF HOLIES - this is ONLY ONCE A YEAR!
It was the 23th of SEPTEMBER - the Archangel Gabriel appeared 6 months LATER TO THE HOLY VIRIGN
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 False. It doesn't say Zacharias was the High Priest. Luke 1:5 says he was a priest of the order of Abijah. That's not the high priest, but one of the Levites. Go to 1 Chronicles 24:10 to see that Abijah was to be there in the 8th week. Now add 2 weeks to that since every priest served the week of Passover and the week of Pentecost (Shavu'ot) because there were to many sacrifices for only 1 group to do. So that makes it the 10th week of the year on the Hebrew calendar.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: SO THERE IS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE DATE OF CHRIST'S BIRTH=
25th of DECEMBER -as it was CELEBRATED SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES.
It does not matter if some Pagans also used those days. This Feasts happened on VERY SPECIAL DAYS - because GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH (and not pagan gods) AND HE HAS CHOSEN THOSE SPECIAL DAYS FOR HIS FEAST.
As u can read in Genesis when God created the SUN and the MOON - for the calculation of special days. READ THE BIBLE
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Again. You quote purely your churches traditions. Not Scriptures. I gave you the key in Abijah. You can do the math from there and you will land on a certain OT Feast Day. I just gave you His birthdate. Do the math. It's not 12/25 BTW.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: CHURCH TRADITION:
I was not quoting church Tradition I tried to explain to u why the CHURCH celebrates some FEAST on those special days!
From Scripture it CAN BE CALCULATED when CHRIST WAS BORNE - NOW COMES CHURCH TRADITION.
As I told u SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES - THE NATIVITY OF CHRIST WAS CELEBRATED ON THE 25th of DECEMBER - because HE WAS BORNE ON THAT DAY.
And most of ALL IMOVEABLE FEAST ARE CALCULATED from that DATE. Also Chanukkah is a hint to his nativity.
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: PASHA OF OUR LORD:
CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS - some say it was EXACTLY THE 25th of MARCH when he was concepted by the HOLY VIRIGN. He completed the years of 33.
The church CELEBRATES that FEAST not on a FIXED DATE but on MOVEABLE Calendar - LIKE THE JEWS CALCULATED THE PASCHA.
Since it is STRICLTY FORBIDDEN BY THE APOSTLES TO CELEBRATE TOGETHER WITH THE JEWS - the Church has its own way of CALCULATION (which is very similar to the Jewish calculation)
adamantis4657 4 months ago
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@adamantis4657 You said: "Since it is STRICLTY FORBIDDEN BY THE APOSTLES TO CELEBRATE TOGETHER WITH THE JEWS - the Church has its own way of CALCULATION (which is very similar to the Jewish calculation)"
Show me that in Scriptures. It just so happens that they way you chose to calculate His death, is the same way ancient Babylon used to calculate Tammuz's death. Coincidence right?
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: SABBATH:
The church still HONORS THE SABBATH - but through CHRIST the LAW IS FULLFILLED. NO SABBATH, NO CIRCUMCISION WILL SAVE U.
Read St. Paul: When u keep the Sabbath - u HAVE TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW! Do u keep the whole LAW?
Are u circumcised? Do u offer sacrificies for the remission of your sins as ordered by GOD?
IF NOT - STOP SAYIN WE HAVE TO KEEP THE SABBATH!
CHRIST was resurrected on the 1st DAY of the WEEK - THE LORD's DAY!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 The last 4 posts are all traditions of your churches and not in Scriptures. Yes, the OT Laws are still in effect. Your churches even say the 10 commandments are to be followed. Those were given to Moses, and the Sabbath was the 7th day back then since the Sabbath was ordained way back in Genesis. So do we ONLY need to keep the 10, or is it 9 now? Or is it 8, since idolatry is now allowed also, as long as you don't call it idolatry? You are being deceived.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ARE DECEIVED!
1.) When we HAVE TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW (why AGAIN u did not answer my question?) ARE U CIRCUMCISED? DO U KEEP THE SABBATH (u are not even allowed to travell on Sabbath), DO U OFFER THE SACRIFIECES? DO EATH KOSHER?
2.) The NT is very CLEAR: IN CHRIST THE LAW IS FULLFILLED and WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW ANYMORE!
READ the LETTER OF PAUL - he explains that TOPIC exactly!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Let me ask you a question. If I no longer have to obey the Law, is it safe to sum up the meaning of the "new law of Christ" as: do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, but do it under love? I am eagerly awaiting your response to this question.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ASK ME QUESTIONS!
That is REALLY FUNYY! I asked u A FEW QUESTION NOW several times and I RECEIVED NO ANSWER!
It is not honest to ask questions when u refuse to answer the question that I asked u!
I AKSED U - DO U KEEP THE LAW? ARE U CIRCUMCISED? DO U KEEP THE SABBATH (not even travelling) it is forbidden to travell on SABBATH. Do u eat pork? Do u keep all those RITUALS that are ORDERED BY BOD IN THE OT?
Do u offer incence EVERY DAY? THE OIL LAMPS?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 I will answer a few of your questions, even though you have YET to answer 1 of mine. Do I keep the Law? I try. I fail, but I do try. Am I circumcised? Yes. When? I don't know, it's a common practice in America around the time of birth. Do I keep the 7th day Sabbath? Yes. Do I eat pork? Not knowingly. I say that because the USDA does not require certain things to be listed on the label. For example Colgate toothpaste pumps use dried pig fat to lube the pumps. Not listed. -cont.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: SO U HAVE DAMNED YOURSELF! U ARE DAMNED BY THE LAW OF GOD
Because u have SAID THAT U DO NOT KEEP THE LAW - u try. So u are CURSED BY THE LAW OF GOD!
So u have damned yourself openly now! LOL
adamantis4657 4 months ago
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@adamantis4657 I will answer a few of your questions, even though you have YET to answer 1 of mine. Do I keep the Law? I try. I fail, but I do try. Am I circumcised? Yes. When? I don't know, it's a common practice in America around the time of birth. Do I keep the 7th day Sabbath? Yes. Do I eat pork? Not knowingly. I say that because the USDA does not require certain things to be listed on the label. For example Colgate toothpaste pumps use dried pig fat to lube the pumps. Not listed. -cont.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: So EVERY LORD's DAY IS THE FEAST OF HIS RESURRECTION!
Since apostolic times, christians GATHERED on THE LORD'S DAY TO REMEMBER HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.
In the Ethiopian Orthodox Church they keep also strictly the Sabbath - but that is an exception because WE DO NOT KEEP THE LAW ANYMORE IN A LITERAL SENSE.
We are even allowed to EAT PORK and other .....(which was strictly forbidden in the OT)
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 to align with the way the ancient Babylonians used to calculate the day of their day. Even the name Easter is named after a pagan fertility goddess. Her symbols were eggs, rabbits, and baby ducks. What does "Christianity" use on this day? Egg hunts/chocolate eggs, chocolate rabbits, and Peeps (baby ducks). Odd how everything associated with these 2 days are exactly the same as Babylon, yet not official doctrine. Same thing with Lent. Your churches changed the Sabbath to - cont.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 the same day that Babylon and every other sun-worshippers have celebrated their holy day; the day of the Unconquerable Sun, otherwise known as SUNday. Coincidence right? Nowhere does it say the Sabbath changed days, and even Catholic writings confirm this. They admit that they changed it. UnBiblical. It doesn't matter if Christianity has been doing it this way for 1500 years or whatever. It's still wrong, and has been for 1500 years or so.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Not very educated? You worship Mary. Show me that in Scriptures. Show me Mary as a "Queen of Heaven" in Scriptures. Show me the "Immaculate Conception" in Scriptures. Show me the "Assumption of Mary" in Scriptures. Show me ANY of that garbage in Scriptures. The OT talks a bit about worshipping the Queen of Heaven. Israel was told not to do it. When they did it anyway, they were rebuked for it. Show me ANY of the items I previously mentioned in Scriptures. They are not there.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: ANWER MY QUESTION's
I have asked u, to tell me what ADORATION IS (according to the Bible) WORSHIP, HONORATION, VENERATION.
UNTIL now u have not explained? Hm ?
Do u perhaps not know what those TERMS mean or what differences are between those terms?
How can God order that WE HAVE TO HONOR OUR PARETNS? Hm - is it alllowed to honor other BEINGS beside GOD?
YES - it is not only allowed BUT WE HAVE TO - otherwise we will be punished horrible!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Matthew 7:21-23 says: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Workers of lawlessness = don't obey the Law. Those things you threw out.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: U ARE THE ONE WHO IS WITHOUT GOD:
It is exactly u who is mentioned in the Gospel. U are the one who will BURN IN HELL for ALL ETERNITY.
Because u are FULL OF PRIDE AND DECEPTION not me.
U are talking about the LAW but do not keep it. When u see someone cursing God - DO U KILL HIM WITH STONES?
If yes - u are a murder - if not u do not keep the LAW.
SO U ARE A WORKER OF LAWLESSNESS!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 You say I am full of pride and deception, and not you. You have yet to quote Scriptures for your beliefs. It is not pride to call paganism paganism. I disagree with your church, and you get mad and say I'm proud and am going to burn in Hell, while providing no proof either for your traditions or for me burning for disagreeing with you. Your whole cursing God and stone = murder thing is wrong and twisted.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: YES U ARE FULL OF PRIDE AND DECEPTION
1.) Yes, because u think MILLIONS of Saints have gone to HELL and are pagan - BUT NOT U.
2.) NO, u are enlightened by GOD - u are the New Moses - perhaps Elijah?
3.) The Holy Fathers have spent their whole lifes in FASTING, UNCEASING PRAYER, the followed CHRIST in everything; they lived in desserts - without any comfort ONLY FOR GOD. Studying unceasingly the Scriptures
but u know better WOW
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Out of all those posts you just posted, huh? I have answered some of your questions. Now kindly answer mine from Scriptures. You have yet to do so. I showed you the Abijah verse so you know when he was in the Temple. You can do the math from there. You dismiss it and say basically your church teaches this in traditions, so traditions is right, yet never quote the verse from Scriptures to prove it.
I don't think you CAN prove it from Scriptures, since you refuse to do so.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: AGAIN - U ASK THE SAME QUESTION!
1.) We have TALKED about WHERE THE BIBLE CAME FROM = THE HOLY CHURCH
2.) I have shown that your conclusions are ILLOGICAL and SILLY and that NOT EVEN ONE INTELLIGENT PERSON will follow u
3.) What should I prove from Scripture? That St. John the Baptiste was borne on 23rd of September - the 10th Tischri = 23rd of September according to roman calendar?
Zachariah went into the TEMPLE to offer INCENCE - this was done ONCE A YEAR
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Same question? I have asked multiple questions, and you haven't answered a single one yet from Scriptures as requested. You have done nothing but insult and quote your churches traditions. Zechariah was not in the Temple once per year as you claim. I have shown you the Luke verse showing he was of the order of Abijah. That makes him a Levite, not the High Priest. This wasn't the Yom Kippur offering he was doing, but the daily incense offering.Kindly answer my questions please.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH: Why are u lying? Do u want to serve God with lying?
1.) I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS
HERE WE HAVE 2 CHRONICLES: 24:10
10 the seventh to Accos, the eighth to Abia,
YES AND NOW - what it is there? ABIAH the 8th because the Priests were devided - and now?
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Lying? You quote my verse that I quoted to you to prove that you answered me with Scriptures? Huh? I gave you that verse and the Luke verse showing that was his division so you can see when he was in the Temple. 8th week. Now add 2 more weeks for the week of Passover and Pentecost, since all the priests served those 2 weeks, due to the large number of sacrifices. That gives us the 10th week of the year for his visit from the angel. So roughly 3/15, since 10 weeks is 3 1/2 months.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 Now add 6 months to that for Elizabeths pregnancy and the visit to Mary. That gives us roughly 9/15 - 10/15 since we don't know if he came at the beginning or end of the month. Now add 9 months for Mary to conceive. This brings us to 6/15 - 7/15 on the Hebrew calendar. Leviticus 23:34 shows that day is the Feast of Tabernacles. That's His birthday. Remember, the Word was made flesh and TABERNACLED among us. Yes, he tabernacled among us on the Feast of Tabernacles.
believerinYHWH 4 months ago
@believerinYHWH. NO - that is wrong!
It is funny that u tell me that I am always concerned on "TRADITION" and u start to create a NEW TRADITION of the birth of CHRIST!
Christ was borne on 25th of December the jewish FEAST of Hanukkah the feast of LIGHTS. Zachariah served on a very SPECIAL DAY as we can see from Scripture:
10 And all the multitude of the people was praying without, at the hour of incense.
Do u see that is must be a VERY SPECIAL DAY!
adamantis4657 4 months ago
@adamantis4657 I show you from Scriptures how to calculate His birth, and you dismiss it in order to cling to Christmas. There is no Biblical