Robert Spencer - The Crusades, Fact & Truth (Part 2/5)

[we0905]

@we0905

*shakes head* You quoted the verse, I'm explaining it to you. What you want to do is your business.

And that's the whole point: No one needs to have it explained because no one is wiser than the next person. The koran is p-e-r-f-e-c-t-l-y clear on its teachings. I don't need you to tell me what the words say or mean...and neither does anyone else. That's the point that I believe you are missing.

[aceapollos]

4 people are planning jihad...they dislike this eye opening video!

[barbourjohn]

Those distractions included the Viking Invasions which plagued Europe for 2 centuries.

[LDLV1978]

Robert Spencer is a Greek Melkite Catholic.

[6MemoryOfForever9]

does anybody know what Spencer's religion is? or is he atheist?

[goldensassenach]

Orhan I – an Ottoman bey 1326 to 1359 – was the founder.of the Janissaries whom were boys gathered through the devsirme system. They were Christian boys from Albania, Greece, Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria. Janissaries were kapikullari "door servants" or "slaves of the Porte". Every five years Turks raided the regions for the strongest sons of the Christian subjects. These boys aged 10 - 12, were taken from their homes and given to the Turkish families to learn Turkish rules of Islam.

[goldensassenach]

The recruit was immediately indoctrinated into the ways of Islam. He was supervised 24 hours a day and subjected to severe discipline. He was prohibited from taking a skill other than war, or marrying.

In 1807 a Janissary revolt deposed Sultan Selim III and elevated Mahmud II to the throne in 1808.Janissaries demanded to be paid and threatened to oust Mahmud II they came to a compromise and.the sultan spent the next years securing his position to battlet he Janissaries' 135,000 men

[goldensassenach]

By 1826 Mahmud II incited them to revolt on purpose, The sultan informed them, through a fatwa, that he was forming a new army, As predicted, they mutinied. In the ensuing fight, the Janissary barracks were set in flames by artillery fire resulting in 4,000 Janissary fatalities. The survivors were executed, and their possessions were confiscated by the Sultan. This event is now called the Auspicious Incident. The last of the Janissaries were then put to death by decapitation .

[goldensassenach]

The bashi-bazouk were hired mercenaries mostly from Africa notorious for beheadings,impalement,rape and undisciplined activities, thus giving the term its second, colloquial meaning of "undisciplined bandit" in many languages they did not receive salaries but lived off war looting.

Provincial soldiers were fiefed Turkish Timarli , Timarli Sipah and their retainers and slaves .

Turkish slaves,Christians and mercenaries served as memluk or ghilman soldiers in the Abbasid and Fatimid Empires

[goldensassenach]

Most Ottoman soldiers were forced converts,slaves and prisoners.

the Crimean Tatars founded an independent Crimean Khanate under Haci I Giray, a descendant of Genghis Khan. The Crimean Tatars controlled the steppes that stretched from the Kuban and to the Dniester River. After the capture of Genoese towns by the Ottoman Sultan he took Meñli I Giray captive,only releasing him in return for accepting Ottoman sovereignty above the Crimean Khans and the use of their soldiers.

[44warjunkie]

The Crusades were nothing more than a counter-Jihad.

[spinneroonie]

@44warjunkie A modern day Crusade is looming. Islam's reach exceeds it's grasp. Evil always makes a big mistake. Evil always over-reaches. 9/11 was not a victory for Islam. It was their biggest mistake. The re-awoke the sleeping Giant. How many Muslims have died since 9/11? How many westerners have died? Just like when Hitler attacked Russia (which was his greatest mistake) Islamics attacking USA woke the world up, we saw our enemy, we study him, and he will lose. Islam will fail. It's Biblical.

[mikepiazza]

Good job RS!!!

[ytsqueezer]

More brave people like Robert Spencer are desperately needed throughout Europe, Americas and Oceania.

[cuttlefisch]

A minor point: The Battle of Manzikert was in 1071, not 1078.

[Squeezmo]

"You will know them by their works"

So why are they allowed to lie and kill? Did the edit the Ten Commandments out too?

[Squeezmo]

"You will know them by their works"

[najiballah1]

The easiest thing is to fabricate the history especially if you have the absolute power. I was grown up in an Arabic Islamic country and what they taught us in history books was that the crusaders attacked the Arab Muslim country with the pretext that they want to propagate Christianity but their real goal was to occupy the Muslim world and exploit their goods.

[Tezzeen]

@najiballah1 Well maybe they havn't read the bible?

[goldensassenach]

@najiballah1 And muslims countries remove the real Holocaust from their education books.In Palestine children are taught martyrdom and shown picts of body parts to desensitize them.You are taught about great Islamic warriors like the Jannissary but not where they came from or where they went.They were white,christian,european boys kidnapped and forced to convert.They gained power so 135,000 were beheaded by their own leaders.

[BenedictusDeus]

People who are out to distort the truth should NOT be allowed to speak.

[jesusteama1]

QU'RAN 9:29 (MY FAVORITE VERSE)

Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax with their own hand and acknowledge their subjection.

[2Banarne2]

i like this robert spencer guy

[cuttlefisch]

@2Banarne2 So do I. He's a legend.

[we0905]

@2Banarne2 "i like this guy robert spencer"

me too

not many are willing to come forth as he does - speaking simple truths (to the shame of all world leaders who proudly claim to be "humanitarians"

Robert Spencer is a modern day hero - for speaking the truth - (not a popular thing to do these days - and no wonder - the leaders of this world and all of their peons (vioces) support the murders)

[we0905]

@2Banarne2 ....the (so-called) ...'wise' would be...wise....in considering his words......for their own sakes.

Robert Spencer preaches Peace and is armed in the way a righteous person is supposed to be. He's been given a voice....and he has not wasted that voice.....Not in the name of Christianity. He's done his homework...and he has the facts...facts that have existed long before any of us were even born.

Hear him.

[daviddoyle1978]

I have always admired the devotion of muslims living in Europe. They always stick together in the spirit of brotherhood. The indigenous people of Europe are bending over backwards to destroy this spirit amoung themselves.

[lyntonio]

Islam = Collective projective identification......

You are the evil that I cant afford to know I am

[we0905]

Unlike the Koran - there is not one single sentence that exists in the New Testament that commands humans to be violent with each other. Not one.

Taught in the Koran:

Beheadings (047.004) - Racism (005.041) - Gang Rape (033.052) - Crucifixions (005.033) - Genocide (033.061) - Treason - (008.067)

Humans who commit violence are not Christians - no matter how much they claim to be. Because they have no Scriptures to support their violent deeds.

"Terrorists" quote their book regularly

[TurbanzRus3]

so are you telling me as a christian you reject all the verses of the old testament?

isnt the GOD of the old testament the same God of the New testament loolz

and read what the new testament says...Jesus(p) saying I come not to bring peace but fire! and you can not be my disciple and love your father and mother, but you must hate them etc

and the gang rape in the Quran , I dont know what level of reading you have but it has nothing to do with rape.

[davediddlydoo]

@we0905 I don't agree with Islam believe me but there are verses in deuteronomy that advocate violence. Including stoning your child to death for mischief.

[42trini]

@we0905 No violence in the New Testament, but there is in the Old Testament.The Old Testament.Koran and Torah, same story, different languages.

[yamum1976]

@we0905 very, very well said.

[DLPBurke]

@we0905 Unfortunately, having tried to explain that on 2 forums, I failed. People won't accept that fact.

[we0905]

It matters what we teach to our young, because....

"We reap what we sow"

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Islam is the Enemy of that teaching.

It is a choice for all societies. Which would you rather live in?

[ialreadymadeone]

@we0905 there's even more violence in the kuran than that lol.

[MrILoveYeshua]

@we0905 you tell it Brother

[we0905]

@MrILoveYeshua ...."you tell it Brother"....in my case...that would be...

"you tell Sister"....but nevertheless...facts are facts...and there is no male or female in the Kingdom of God.

Pay attention to the peaceful teachings....

Don't Lie

Don't Sreal

Don't Cheat

Don't Kill

Don't Covet

Beyond these...there are NO MORE Commands...not in the name of Christianity.

Isalm can not stand up against these righteous Commands. And beyond Them...there are no more. It's quite simple.

[Iammram]

@we0905

I see why someone sent me this video to take a look at, had to do with comments like this ( now take on someone who studies theology ) : )

Those, along with more, are in the Qur'an as well, why are you making it exclusive to the bible alone?

You're other post got rated up, sadly.

Sura 47-4 is about a battle,

bit . ly / hGDHTS (remove spaces)

Sura 5:41 is Racism? Where?

Sura 33:52 Gang Rape? Where?

Sura 5:33 speaks on "Capital Punishment", not average crimes.

Did you even read these?

[Iammram]

Quoting verses out of context then pinning one book to another won't get you anywhere but keep you stagnate in ignorance on to what the reality of the issues are.

Almost every single time a terrorist activity takes place, a political strife is mentioned then justified by using the Qur'an, not the other way around.

People like you keep thinking it has to do with religion when religion some how was never the case until 9-11

Politicians and people like Spencer makes $ off of your ignorance.

[we0905]

@Iammram

"5:41 is Racism? Where?"

Koran 005.041 O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: whether it be among those whosay "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie

If that's not Racism lammram....then what is?

[Iammram]

@we0905

How is that Racist?

The verse is saying that "Even if people of this background, the Jews, who listen to any lie"

It's not saying they "all" listen to lies, the verse is saying "Even If" there are those, read it again.

[we0905]

@Iammram How is that racist?

You did ask:

How about "Muslims who will listen to any lie" and then let us all call those words Holy.

Is that ok with you Iammram? and if not....why not?

[Iammram]

@we0905

*shakes head* You quoted the verse, I'm explaining it to you. What you want to do is your business.

[inhumanhyena]

@we0905 I believe you have greatly misinterpreted these verses. I'm not a Muslim or a Christian, but I have very strong feelings about these issues from the perspective of my heritage and culture, and I believe what we need to do as people living amongst each other is discuss our religions from our own perspectives and understandings. If it was true that Islam is just violent, there would be no peaceful Muslim, there is obviously more to it. We must avoid complacency in understanding.

[mohammedalswaidi]

this is what the JEWISH Talmud Teaches Jew about Christians :

- Orach Chaiim 57, 6a

(Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs).

- Orach Chaiim(225, 10)

( Christians and animals grouped for comparisons)

[mohammedalswaidi]

visit this site : ""Jew Watch ""

write this in google :

( Sanhedrin 58b ) - (Baba Mezia 24a.) (Sanhedrin 57a) - ( Baba Kama 113a)

(Moed Kattan 17a ) (Shabbath 116a)

(Gittin 57a) - (Sepher Or Israel 177b)

(Abhodah Zarah 26b) - ( Zohar I,25a)

( Choschen Ham 388,15 ).

(Orach Chaiim 57, 6a)-(Orach Chaiim225,10) JEWISH Talmud

[yollyetta]

What is so funny is that Spencer is a Christian not a Jew. The antisemitic comments here are hardly surprising given that the Qur'an teaches that Jews are apes and pigs and are under Allah's curse. Many Muslims blame everything wrong in the world on the Joooooooos, and had been doing long before the founding of the State of Israel.

Just google:

quran apes and pigs

[QatariWarrior]

THIS ZIONIST BIAS and PROPAGANDA spin by the ZIONIST JEWISH-owned American media got most of the AMERICANS so DECEIVED ,so BLINDED and so DEAFENED by their PROPAGANDA, that they FOLLOW ALONG, TAG ALONG, going EVERYWHERE the ZIONIST JEWS GO,"BARKING and YAPPING" exactly what they WANT THEM TO SAY and doing EXACTLY AS THEY WANT THEM TO DO.

[QatariWarrior]

There are many Evil Zionist layers, pathetic AIPAC agent like you all over the worlds that don't have their facts straight before they open their big mouths.This is A bullshit and lies, and its do not stem from individuals but from the FUNDAMENTAL nature of your HATEFUL ZIONIST ideology.

[QatariWarrior]

Never underestimate the power of their BIG LIE. The ZIONIST JEW are the masters of it.The ZIONISTS JEW decided to promote this myth in order to cover up their own involvement in TERROR and WARS around the world. There is no place in the world that suffers from divisions, wars, and TERROR unless the ZIONISTS' FINGERPRINTS are seen there,"

[QatariWarrior]

It is clear that, according to the teaching of the Talmud,Christians are IDOLATERS and hateful to Jews.

As a consequence, every Jew who wishes to please God has a duty to observe all the precepts which were given to the Fathers of their race when they lived in the Holy Land concerning the idolatrous gentiles,both those who lived amongst them and those in nearby countries.

A Jew is therefore required to:

(1) Avoid Christians.

(2) Do all you can to exterminate them.

(3) Destroy Christianity.

[QatariWarrior]

WE need your comments about Some TEACHINGS of the JEWISH Talmud, Where a JEW Should Do EVIL. Like in Moed Kattan 17a when it says: If a JEW is tempted to do EVIL,he should go to a city (GAZA) where he is not known and do the EVIL there.

[QatariWarrior]

We need you to talk about or discus the Talmudic instructions to the JEW to KILL the CHRISTIAN and COMMITS NO SIN,BUT OFFERS AN ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE TO GOD.

In SPEHER or ISRAEL (177b) it says:

"Take the LIFE of the Kliphoth (CHRISTIANS) and KILL THEM, and you will please GOD the same as one who offers INCENSE to HIM." and in GITTIN 57a. when it Says JESUS is in HELL, being BOILED IN "HOT EXCREMENT."

[QatariWarrior]

We need your comments on some of The TALMUD teaching when its says that a JEW may *KILL, **STEAL, and ***LIE to NON-JEWS with impunity -yet all of these actions are in violation of the 6th, 7th, and 9th commandments of Moses. Here is but one example of the Oral Law making the Word of God of none effect. [*Tractates Sanhedrin 58b; **Baba Mezia 24a; **Sanhedrin 57a; ***Baba Kama 113a]

[QatariWarrior]

LYEING and DECEIVING is a law of the TALMUD.

- Babha Kama (113a) Jew may LIE and perjure to condemn a Christian.

- Iore Dea (157,2 h) May DECEIVE all who believe Christian tenets.

- Zohar (1,160a) Jews must always try to DECEIVE Christians

- Babha Kama (113b) It is permitted to DECEIVE Christians.

- Choschen Ham (183,7) Keep what Christian overpays in ERROR.

This is what Mr. Spencer DOING NOW .

[achinoy]

Robert Spencer and other nut-heads like him thrive on quoting the Quran out of context. They dont study Islam objectively and fairly, but rather have an agenda to malign and demonize Islam. Their efforts are to stop the tide of people converting to Islam in the west.

They are investing their time, money and resources to paint a negative picture of Islam. Too bad for them that all their efforts are back-firing, and thousands more are coming to the Truth of Islam.

Keep it up Spencer!

[havock89]

Your level of delusion is amazing. even in muslim countries the imams are appalled that so many muslims are converting to christianity. Knowing ex-muslims who are in my family, I know what I am talking about.

I pray God reforms your retrobate mind.

[achinoy]

Delusion! A christian, after believing in fallacies such as the 'Trinity', 'Atonement' and 'Orginal Sin', is in absolutely NO position to accuse a Muslim of being deluded.

Thousands of people are converting to Islam in the West. turn on the news.

I never denied that Muslims are not converting to Christianity. Poor Muslims are mostly coerced with money. 'Believers in Christ' are purchased. This is what the imams in muslim countries are appalled by.

I pray God guides you to the Truth.

[havock89]

Sorry but just claiming that does not make it so. I know what I have seen and heard. The testamony of muslim iman's being concerned about the number of converts to christianity from islam is valued in the millions, each year.

Your weak claim of christians being bought is a joke. But even if it were true it is far less morally repugnant than the methods muslims use to convert those to their ideology:- cooersion & intimidation - and this from a 'religion' where there is no 'compulsion'.

HA!

[achinoy]

Why dont you come down to India, so that we can give you first hand reports on how christian missionaries buy believers. The recent rampage by Hindus against christians in the state of Orissa is for this very reason. Dozens of churches were damaged or destroyed.

All the thousands of westerners converting to Islam every year are accepting Islam at the tip of the sword, right? Your pathetic!!!

[havock89]

There are thousands of deluded people who choose the lesser of islam over the greatest good of christianity, this is true. It is a sad testament to how people can be led astray from truth - but as more muslims come to see the falsity in your thinking and theology - how muslim morality is weak and false, they follow their conscience and find the truth of God in Christ Jesus.

Its your own people who are at the tip of the sword, westerners only have to cope with the bombs of cowards. We can.

[achinoy]

Morality: A cursory study on christian and muslim societies is enough to show which of them is morally bankcrupt.

Drugs, homosexuality, paedophilia in the clergy, STDs, adultery, fornication, pornography, rape and murder are vices that have plagued christian societies. Vices in Muslim societies do exist, but are only a fraction of christian societies.

Jesus Christ, whom every muslim believes in, was a prophet of God. Period.

[havock89]

Drugs, homosexuality, paedophilia, STD's, adultery, fornication, sodomy, pornography, rape, incest murder, intimidation, slander, hypocracy and a perveasive violence that spans THE ENTIRE HISTORY if muslim societies. You loose sparky.

The vices of muslim society are hidden under the cultural smokescreen of muslim pride and hypocracy. I have muslim family - they are all only concerned with appearance, but inside is corruption.

What you dont know about Jesus could fill a book, and does.

[achinoy]

The church is paying more than $10 BILLION dollars to victims of sexual abuse by priests and pastors. For over thirty years, children were being abused inside churches.

You have sodomites and lesbians as priests and clergymen. The recent vote by Lutheran church...remember?

And you question the morality of Muslims.

People living in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others.

[achinoy]

It is the muslims who are being bombed in their houses by US drones and planes. Millions of muslims have been murdered in the American Crusade against Afghanistan and Iraq. Muslims around the world are victims of Christian Imperialism.

Someone needs half a brain to understand the Jesus was not God and that Paul deceived the whole of Christendom.

There are million of Arab christians and thousands of jews, hindus and sikhs living in Muslim countries.

[havock89]

A crusade is a holy war against an evil opressor. 1) Only a religious leader like the roman catholic pope or the patriarchs of the eastern orthodox church could call a crusade. The president is not a religious leader.

2) Innocent people die in war. This is true, but at least they try not to target civillians. Unlike the multitude of islamist scum I have witnesses applauding the deaths of civilians, and ridiculing the greiving relatives of those killed. You dont find the US doing that!

[achinoy]

1. Your president thought he was leading a crusade, just like Blackwater and all the the other evangelicals think that they are fighting holy wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

America is the evil oppressor. period.

2. US soldiers raped and burnt alive a 14 yr old girl in Iraq. They shoot Iraqi civilians at random for 'target practice'. the abuses of abu ghraib, bagram. Which world are you in?

[Siegetower]

Moslem (immigrant) gangs have had gang rape sprees in Australian, Sweden, UK, France, US....all targetting local women. Put your own house in order.

America is not the oppressor of the Western Saharans, or the Southern Sudanese, or the Somalis, or the Saudi Shia, or the Lebanese Christians, or the remaining Zoroastrians. I could mention the active jihad in the Phillipines, Thailand, infiltration of PNG. Jihad camps in South America. Who is the global oppressor?

[achinoy]

Produce your evidence about muslims going on raping sprees.

The french raped more than 40,000 women when they occupied Algeria and massacred more than 1 million.

'Put your house in order'. Wow! After all you guys have done to teh aborgines of Australia, you have the guts to point fingers at others!

The Americans supported somali warlords against the Muslims.

The Moro people were always a seperate nation. It is when America colonised Philippines that their land was included into Philippines.

[Siegetower]

Muslim gang rapes, put 'Skaf brothers' or 'K brothers' into google and get hundreds of pages.

The Aborigines - a primitive people then, involved in exploration and development of early Australia. A primitive people today, as leftists cling to a primitive ideal rather than encouraging them to educate and better themselves.

Aren't Somali warlords muslims too? Which ones did America support?

Colonial occupation was for a good cause. Bad outcome. And I'm not French.

[havock89]

Yes we do, because these atrocities are the exceltion and we do not rewrite history to hide the disgrace of past mistakes. Islamist agression has never abaited. Since the 7th century it has constantly almost without rest spread pain fear, subjigation, pludering and death. This was the example Mohammed left, and like foolish children you continue the evil.

Even today you are enslaving your own muslims in sudan - calling them the "abeed" which means "filth" the only term they have for africans.

[achinoy]

"Islamist agression". This is what Christians of the west did: 1. The annihilation of the red indians. 2. the world wars 3. Hiroshima and Nagasaki 4. Korea and Vietnam 5. Colonization of most of the world 6. Enslavement of the Blacks 7. Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan 8. Overthrowing of legitimate goverments. 9. Imprisonment of thousands in secret prisons. and the list can go on... After seeing the above and studying history, it seems that the christians are the most violent people.

[havock89]

I can see where you are coming from. Thousands of years of history makes for rich pickings, especially when you have the entirity of europe to call on.

Most of what you have said here is true, but none of them were done by "chrsitianity". They were done by the criminals of christianity. Those who broke the laws of what christianity teaches, and so you cannot say this is the "fruit" of chrisitanity.

Unfortunately the islamist ARE mohammedeans and ARE following the example of what he taught.

[TurbanzRus3]

hilarious that they now are criminals of christianity but it was your popes and priests who were condoning all that.

and thousand of years makes ripe picking lmaaao

christianity is 600 years older then ISLAM and it actually didnt have power until 300 years after the christian religion actually emerged so that makes it a 300 yea head start and from the get go christians have always been causing war and death

[havock89]

I like the way you said, christianity didnt actually have power for 300 years. This is exactly why I am not a muslim. Your idea of validation for islam is that they had the most human power, thats because mohammed was not a true prophet. He was an effective militart leader, adept at using brigands to fight for islam for a share of booty. Christianity never worked that way, & never went after human power. Within a century christianity had spread to over a million converts all over the world.

[TurbanzRus3]

no you turd thats not what I mean, but since your an idiot thats what you got from my comment.

I was telling you that since christianity has had power they have been killing and raping people. the only years when Christians were actually peaceful was the first 300 years when they had no power

[havock89]

Christianity never worked that way, & never went after human power. Within a century christianity had spread to over a million converts all over the world. The calophate were muslim warlords and brigands who raped and pillaged and intimidated their way across all of north africa into the iberian peninsula. They we stopped, thankfully by Charles Martell, and in the east by the polish.

Quit the ad hominems, it makes you look even more patheric.

[TurbanzRus3]

quit the ad hominems. I never attacked you personally other then calling you an idiot which you did first.

but I attacked your credibility, you lied about verses in the quran so that makes you either a liar or an ignorant person.

wow did you actually say christianity didnt work that way lmaaaao

you know what, good you keep thinking that.

pick up a book a brief illustrated guide to ISLAM by huston smith

he is a known white NON-Muslim historian

[havock89]

The term turd and idiot are personally insulting. Ad hominems are attacks on credibility, and they are a logical fallacy.

I take comfort that while you out breed christians, a huge number of muslims, like those in my family LIVE the history of islam and KNOW the truth. They convert to christianity as do huge numbers of muslims all over the world. They do not want to live under fear and oppression. They want to live in the light of truth and justice and peace.

[TurbanzRus3]

OHHH THEY ARE, IM SO SORRY did i hurt your feelings?

well once you learn to talk like a civilised person without trying to insult others who you debate, then I will give you the same respect.

yes of course your family was muslim and of course they converted to christianity sure ok

good for them, give them my salams

and my attack wasnt an ad hominem attack. I just attacked your cridiblity since u obviuously have none and u showed me that u dont. your accusations are basless and false

[havock89]

As I have said ad hominem attacks are attacks on credibility. You resort to this because you HAVE NO ARGUMENT.

Islam was born in war, and lives for war. It gains power only by conquest an insurrection. Even when they are not trying to cause Jews and Christians troubles they turn on themselves. King Hussain of Jordan on black friday killed more muslim extremist than the entire muslim-israeli conflict! You dont see the muslims harping on about him though.

lol pathetic.

[TurbanzRus3]

actually you loser many Muslims did 'harp' on him, its well known he is a piece of garbage and so is his crappy son. there all sell outs and hypocrites.

your the fool who wants to hide behind so called ad hominem so you can save face. but fact is everything that comes from your mouth is a lie or misleading.

[crazycamels]

@havock89 well when you say converts you forget to mention that they were forced conversion. if you look at what happened after emperor constatin and how the old roman religion was abolished and forced to adopt to christianity you will see how faulty christianity is

[havock89]

Yes there were instances of chrisitians forcing others to chrisitanity, but it was not the norm. Islam exists thought intimidation and still has its 1400 year old apostacy laws in effect.

Christianity is not false, because the dogmatic teachings of the church never taught that people should be forced into conversion. That was something the chruch did, not what god taught. There is no such distinction in islam, and you know it. Mohammed is the perfect example, and he was a warlord and a killer

[crazycamels]

@havock89 there are still examples of christian violence even in the modern. and if you compare muslim acts of violence against civilians to christian (both protestant, eastern orthodox, and catholic) acts of violence against civilians you guys make the muslim look good. when you want to see christian acts of terror look at the oklohoma city bombings, wacho, etc. they are just as insane as the insane muslims

[havock89]

You are an utter and brazen liar. The entire history of islam is one of violence and conquest. Honor killings, apostacy killings, jihadist violence to all who do not submit to islam. It is continuous and unrelenting. There is no comparison.

You can lie to other people and get away with it, but not with me, I have muslims in my family and the evil of the umma is not hidden from me.

[crazycamels]

@havock89 then prove it you claimed that i am a liar and you haven't said anything that proves that i am a liar. the honor killings if there true and the supposed 1,000,000 converts of muslims to christianity then why haven't we seen at least a 1000 honor killing. you guys claim that are history is based on a lie so are you telling me the whole entire renassiance is a conspiracy. are you also the fact that protestanism survived because of the muslims, is that also a lie ?

[havock89]

I am not responding to you for YOUR sake, but for others who read your nonsense... You are a cynic and deluded beyond reason and ability to help, by your own polemic rhetoric.

Taka a long walk offa short cliff.

[Fattboy26]

Honour killings funny seems to happen mainly in the islamic culture. Please dont take credit for the Renassiance or the survival of Prodestants comn have some dignity and stop lying I know your filthy cult says you can lie but really you do yourself no credit.

[crazycamels]

@Fattboy26 the fact that you disagree with my true statements and have called me a liar is proof to me that you come from the cult of radical christianity you come from the same group of people that justified the killing of the aborijinis, the killing of the native americans, etc. you seems to be apart of the same dumb group of evangelical christians that actually believe that the world is only 5000 years old. your rational for disregarding historical facts is also unbelievable.

[Fattboy26]

No the fact that I diasgree with you statement is because you are WRONG and the reason I called you a liar is because you are. I dont follow any faith. No Christian organisation condones the killing of any group or people. For you to change the subject shows that you are indeed a liar who has been caught out. You call me dumb but you cannot even spell ABORIGINES. When did I say the world is any age? You believe a paedophille, rapist and murderer is a prophet.

[Fattboy26]

God bless you you have seen the truth. I use to believe all the bullshit muslims said now I have seen the truth of islam and it is evil and there is no pretending it is not.

[crazycamels]

@havock89 these facts are historically proven just go into museum or read a book on the different cultures such as roman, ottoman, mughal, abyssaid, byzantine, etc. but even if you read those you will still call me a liar probably because of your arrogance. so dont call me a liar

[havock89]

LOL out of respect for your cosmological view that Allah only allows things to happend because he wills it. If allah is as mohammedians claim, he will stop me from calling you a liar, if in fact you are telling the truth...

You are a Liar!

....

Nothing? Let me try again ...

You are a liar ...

*waiting* Still nothing?

You are a liar ...

Well. there you have it. If you read this three times, God is showing you that by your own beliefs, I am justified in calling you a liar.

[crazycamels]

@havock89 i really don't rely on god to do things. but the fact that still remains is that you have not once really argued with any of my facts and you have just called me a liar the other guy fattboy actually has put up a arguement on my facts. so please put some factual statements rather then accusing me of being a liar.

[moomin468]

Al Ghazali refutes the occasionalism you cling to.

[Fattboy26]

Right what a flawed example. Timothy Mc veigh never said he blew up that building because God told him to or because the bible instructed him. In fact he never mentioned relgion. Whereas the Sept 11 terrorists did so because their cult instructed them to. You must be muslim

[Fattboy26]

mohammed was also a paedophille, rapist and slave owner

[Fattboy26]

If you lie and you are caught out dont try to attack other personally. Its show you lack of morals and character. Then again follow a degenerate like mohammed cannot help.

[crazycamels]

@Fattboy26 its not an attack its a true statement radical christianity. you follow a similar method of thinking that these groups follow. and i do not lie i came up with true facts on the canninites, aborijinis etc. so explain how can i lie when these facts are historically proven just go into museum or read a book on the different cultures such as roman, ottoman, mughal, abyssaid, byzantine, etc. but even if you read those you will still call me a liar probably because of your arrogance

[Fattboy26]

No its not a true statement or anywhere near one. First you change subject when you cannot debate showing you to be either ignorant or lying. Then you go to the Canninittes that was over 3,500 years ago. Then you say that Aborigines were decimated why are there more Aborigines now that ever if that was the case and please provide evidence of this genocide. Dont make a statement say its a fact then ask me to verify it for you because you are either to lazy or stupid to provide proof. idiot

[crazycamels]

@Fattboy26 also Timothy Mc veigh came from the group of Christian Identity also Timothy Mc veigh's co-conspirator Terry Nichols was also a member of so called clubs that were extremely anti-government and also believed in these acts being justified by god (fact). also "Aborigines were decimated why are there more Aborigines now that ever if that was the case and please provide evidence of this genocide" by 1788 90% of the Indigenous Australians were decimated by many factors

[Fattboy26]

Oh Timothy Mcveigh did not claim he committed the bombing because God or his bible told him so. In fact he never mentioned relgion like all the muslim terrorists that have committed far more terrorist actions than anyone else all because of the false relgion and prophet mohammed the pedo. In 1788 the Colony in Botany Bay was a tiny fraction of the Australia landscaped. Have a look at a map asshole before you lie. Also many deseases were brought in by Indonesian fishermen trading with Aborigines.

[crazycamels]

@Fattboy26 some small pox, some massacres, etc. the original estimate of Indigenous Australians was around 2.35 million now the number has been reduced to 550,000 and these remaining people have a very little that remains of their former culture due to mix breeding with the european settlers.

[Fattboy26]

What some small pox some massacres etc?????

When did this smallpox epedemic hit also if by accident its not genocide. Second when did these massacres happen what year or years? Inbreding is not genocide either moron. And where did you get the 2.35 million I did not know there were population censors before Europeans. So where did you pull that number from? Your ass? Genocide is the willful sanctioned killing of a group or culture this did not take place in Australia.

[TurbanzRus3]

sudan slave trade is a hoax proven by a catholic priest...

worst people on earth have been athesit/communist then after then christians have caused the most damage

[havock89]

Which is why they have the slave trade even today in sudan? Hahaha your propoganda machine is in full swing I see.

[TurbanzRus3]

well first theres no such thing as a slave trade in sudan its a lie made by those who hate ISLAM and want to try and win converts over so they use lies like the ones you cam up with.

JUST LIKE YOU SAID THE QURAN TEACHES RAPE THEN THE VERSE YOU QUOTE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

LIKEWISE OTHERS MAKE UP LIES ABOUT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS

in Lebanon it was actually the christians with the help of jews who were doing the killing.

also look at what christians did in bosnia

[havock89]

And the islamic propoganda machine is in full swing! yeay!

I have muslims in my family bub. I know the truth about what goes on in islam, you cant lie to me!

[hatemf23]

we eat infidel's heads alive

watch out, im coming for you!! hahahaha

[havock89]

Yeay another fruitcake for my larder!

[hatemf23]

speak fucking english not your faggety british accent

and shove your "larder" up your anus.

[havock89]

Its nice how you make such a fool of yourself that I dont need to add a thing to what you are saying. English is the language of the British people you utter moron, lol.

What a waste of space you are!

[achinoy]

The world knows what America did in Nicaragua, Panama, and other south american countries.

'Jihad camps in south america'- Overdose of fox news.

The Muslims of southern Thailand are fighting for a separate homeland.

Lebanese Christians are flourishing in Lebanon. Muslims are in a worse state than them. There are millions of more Arab Christians living peacefully in the region. There are also thousands of jews living in Turkey, Morocco and even Iran. About the zoroastians, i dont know.

[Siegetower]

America tried to support freedom loving South Americans rather than let nation destroying communists and socialists destroy the countries. Hezbollah has been named as bombing Jewish centres in Argentina.

The muslims of Thailand slay innocent schoolchildren and farmers in their fight. Aren't they brave.

Lebanese Christians seek refuge in their thousands in Australia. My neighbours say 'The muslims ruined my country' when they speak of home. Arab Christians are being ethnically cleanesed al over

[havock89]

It was the lebanese muslims who were carrying out the identity killings in the 1980's not the other way around. Nowadays they are called ethnic clensing. Your crimes even against your own people condemn you. I know eveything that goes on in muslim countries, I have muslim family remember.

Thankfully the jews used their superior military abilities to take back the lebanese homeland.

The world is getting wise to the cultural insurrection techniques of the islamist.

[achinoy]

You dont know bollocks of what is happening in muslims countries, you dont even know whats happening in Christian countries, and you are totally oblivious to history and world politics.

Google 'Sabra and Shatila', to see what lebanese christians along with jews did to the muslims.

[havock89]

Wow talking about making sweeping generalities without a shred of ANYTHING to back them up with!

Once again ... Simply because you assert something does not make it true. I have family who are lebanese and family who are muslim.

The world is getting wise to the cultural insurrection techniques of the islamist.

[achinoy]

what sweeping generalities are you talking about??

I can support all my arguments with documented proof.

[havock89]

That I do not know what is happening in muslim countries. You have no evidence of this. That I do not know what is going on in christian counties. That I am oblivious to world politics, that I do not know what happened in lebanon.

You are claim to be an authority on what I know. THAT is a unsustainable sweeping generality on me, which falls under the fallacy of authority.

I have used specific information, you use generalities. Its pathetic.

[ProfessorxVile]

That's the best you can come up with?

"Let's ignore everything the Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims did, and make a big deal out of Lebanese Christians seeking revenge for years and years of attacks against them"

If the Muslims hadn't started that war, that incident would have never occurred.

[havock89]

It wasnt the christians in Lebanon who were responsible for the identity killings in the 1980s. Thankfully the israeli army came to Lebanons rescue.

[havock89]

1. Your fantasies are not an adequate substitute for reality. There is always a small lunatic fringe when you have any large group of people. Unfortunately for your position is backed up by only propoganda and your BS is simply unimpressive to anyone but a complete idiot.

2. A singluar instance of an evil man, is just that. A singlular instance. The actual working policy is honorable & the multitude of evil islamic supremicist actions are too long to list. You're blowing smoke again sparky!

[havock89]

Finally I can agree you, you only have half a brain!

Unlike the Q'uran, which was insufficient to form a religion upon - which is why they developed the a'hadith (of which there are many verions.)

There are huge amounts of theological writings in christian theology, in which no apostle of Jesus (those who actually KNEW Him) contradicted what you see in the New testament.

There was no christian imperialism, but islam was founded on imperialism, and still is imperialistic.

[Siegetower]

The vast majority of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are caused by muslims shooting and bombing other muslims.

Can you blame the Americans for Sunnis bombing Shi'ite mosques? No.

Can you blame the Americans for Iraqi Shia 'disappearing' Sunni Iraqis? No.

Can you blame the Americans for Taliban or other Afghan rebels assaulting ANP/Afghan Army/US/NATO etc from inside innocent muslim civilian homes? No

Pakistani muslim army defeating the Pakistani Taliban. Blame America? No.

[achinoy]

You can blame America and Iran for instigating and fueling a civil war in Iraq.

Two british commandos dressed as insurgents were caught with bombs and ammunition by the Iraqis. What were they doing? The british army then levelled the walls of the prison and took their men.

The crusading contractors such as Blackwater(XE) are to be blamed for planting bombs in market places, etc. The insurgents have proof for this.

The Pakistani army is being funded by the US to attack the Taliban.

[Siegetower]

The cycle of Iraq goes way back doesn't it. Saddam (a muslim) killed hundreds of thousands of muslims before the latest war and to remove him was the whole reason it began.

UK soldiers dresses as insurgents....it's called infiltration. Or blending in. 'War is Deceit'. Your mohammed said that.

Are insurgents good sources of information? They shoot garbage men dead to protect their bombs inside dead dogs or garbage piles. What courageous heroes the insurgents are.

[achinoy]

Saddam was a tyrant, no doubt. He was also a close American ally. The weapons he used to kill people were supplied by the US.

The UK commandos were going around planting bombs in market places and close to mosques. The iraqis caught them with IEDs.

Insurgents are a good source of information. They are people who figth American Imperialism. You cant trust the zionist american media for anything.

Ans yes the insurgents are courageous heroes who have taken on america's military might.

[Siegetower]

Empty slogans. That's all you know. Saddam was allied to the US, correct, only in order to contain the revolution in Iran. All people not involved in a revolution try to contain it. E.g. French Revolution.

Which weapons did the US exactly give Saddam? AK47 rifles? (Soviet supply) T-72 tanks? (Soviet), Mig jets? (Soviet), Nerve gas? (French supply!) Scuds? (Soviet) BTR-70s (Soviet) Mustard Gas? (French again!!)

As to my 'courageous heroes' comment...you parody yourself in your answer.

[22dota22]

@ Qatari

Talmud ==> not words of God but words of Rabbi, so not binding on Jews!

Al-Quran==> U claim 'words of Allah' and was binding on Islam! So, all the words of the sword & all the bullshit your religion tought you is binding!

Got it stupid moron & muslim bigot!

[TheSoundKage]

Exactly, You got it!!!!

The Tanakh(Bible) is the Only True Book.

[MatsPT]

Islam is such a negative religion.

[QatariWarrior]

Why dont you MR. MOUTH of the SOUTH speak out about some teaching of the JEWISH Talmud like In Zohar (I, 25a) when it says:"The People of the Earth are IDOLATERS,and it has been written about them: Let them be WIPED off the FACE of the EARTH. DESTROY the memory of the AMALEKITES.They are with us still in this Fourth Captivity, namely, the Princes [of Rome]... who are really Amalakites."

[thiscoe]

Oh not another ignorant muslim scum bag - go and fuck your kids like mohammed taught you to do - if you cant engage in debate to defend your evil religion don't bother at all. Then who could defend islam you brainwashed idiots aren't allowed to question anything about your sick religion.

[AlexiusComnenos]

Because that's not the subject of the talk, Einstein!

If the video title said "Robert Spencer speaking on the ancient Talmud", then that is what he would be talking about...

'See? That wasn't too difficult to understand now, was it?

[QatariWarrior]

YOU KNOW WHY Mr. Robert Spencer , because you are a fine TALMUD student. You are a real ZIONIST JEW DEVIL. Always think about what the TALMUD demands of you. If you break the LAWS of the TALMUD, you deserve DEATH, LIE and DECEIVE THE WORLD before they REALIZE that they have been DECEIVED. Spread the TRUTH about the origins of this EVIL LIE .continue your EVIL LIES, persist in YOUR EVIL to be TRUE ZIONIST JEW. BUT be SURE you are So SMALL you can not DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD.

[QatariWarrior]

WHY don't you use the FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

to talk about or discus the Talmudic instructions to the JEW when its says in Baba Kamma 113a. JEWS may USE LIES ("subterfuges") to circumvent a GENTILE. Or in Shabbath 116a. when it says ,JEWS must DESTROY the BOOKS of the CHRISTIANS, i.e. the New Testament. Or when it says in Yebamoth 98a. All GENTILE CHILDREN ARE ANIMALS.

[QatariWarrior]

WHY don't you use the FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

to talk about or discus Some TEACHINGS of the JEWISH Talmud, Where a JEW Should Do EVIL.

like what is written in your Talmud, Moed Kattan 17a : If a JEW is tempted to do EVIL, he should go to a city (GAZA) where he is not known and do the EVIL there.

[QatariWarrior]

WHY don't you use the FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

to talk about or discus the INSULTS AGAINST BLESSED MARY BY JEW.

Sanhedrin 106a.Says JESUS'mother was A Whore:SHE who was the DESCENDANT of PRINCES and GOVERNORS played the HARLOT with CARPENTERS.Also in footnote #2 to SHABBATH 104b of the SONCINO EDITION,it is stated that in the"UNCENSORED"text of the TALMUD it is written that JESUS MOTHER,Miriam the hairdresser,had SEX with many MEN. GITTIN 57a.Says JESUS is in HELL,BEING BOILED in "hot excrement"

[countesscristo]

the truth of Islam hurts.