De Wolfe owned. He wasnt trying to get info, he was showing he had king high in case it won but didnt want to turn over his kicker so realised king high cant be good so instead of turning over and giving away what he was raising with he muched and rightly lost the pit. In future just flip em over
Only germans can be this sad to wanna win in this kinda way. He showed he had him beat--> is a fact. This was his only lame babyway of winning. Tobias Reinkemeier --> fag
roland is a fucking idiot you mucked your cards just show both your cards every time. what is the point of just showing the king you tell him exactly what you had by showing that anyways. roland doesn't think very well so hes the perfect canidate for this chode play. Tobias doesn't have much of a soul
@rons1979 Showdown procedure will vary depending on where you're playing, but it seems that in this tournament the bettor is allowed to muck his hand without showing if he's bluffing, but by doing so he forfeits the pot and the caller can then collect the pot without showing.
Roland made an error by not showing both of his cards during the showdown; however, all bets were called and the best hand should always win the pot as long as all called hands are turned face up. That said, because Roland’s cards were turned face up, regardless that it was the dealer who did so, Roland should have been awarded the pot.
@MrZakid Not only a small angle-shoot. At 3:47, he confesses to the reporter that deWolfe bluffed and there would be a high chance that he was beat by just a bit. He further said, he tried to trick deWolfe into mucking by saying to him before showdown that he has a pretty good hand! Sorry, but that crosses the line from hero-call to angle-shoot. It makes me a little sad that he tried to win the pot like that. Why not reraising him on the river if he was so sure that deWolfe plays with air?
@jussufbenjussuf yeah, that's what mostly caught my attention - he was outright lying about the strength of his hand just to talk de wolfe into mucking (he said he has "a pretty good hand"), which was definitely an angle shot.
what de wolfe did was still stupid, but reinkemeier's behavior is still questionable
wie kann er davon ausgehen das wenn de wolfe blufft die hand so wie so ,foldet.
Und dann noch so wie ne pussy schauspielern. also muss man als pro wie ne pussy spielen um gut zu sein.find ich unkorrekt. de wolfe zum teil selber schuld.
Goal in poker is to outplay your opponents, and as long as it s within the rules, every trick is fine. Well played, Tobias, very well played. Poker is a mind-game as well, dont forget that.
To all the pussies who think he is an angle-shooter: Get the sand out of your pussy, and go play with your Barbie & Ken-dolls, poker is definitely not the right game for you! Fkking cry-babies.
@evexxxxx fucking idiot !! hes waiting for de wolfe to muck, once hes showed his king he should muck his hand cos hes lost, hes just trying to win unfairly. lets see if u called me a moron to my face prik !!
@MrManga47 So what, you piece of shi*****t!!!! Rules are rules, show both cards or muck your focking hand! If de Wolfe (and you) are too re.tarded to understand this basic rule, you better stay away from poker altogether.
I`d call you way more than a moron to your ugly focking face, you gay ret.ard!
Was für eine Pussy ist das denn? What a german jerk. Play it like a man you punk. Roland De Wolfe is a great player. In the interview hes talking trash like "I put Roland on King High".... german pussy.
Was für eine Pussy ist das denn? What a german jerk. Play it like a man you punk. Roland De Wolfe is a great player. In the interview hes talking trash like "I put Roland on King High".... german pussy.
Vollkommen korrekte Entscheidung, alle sagen doch immer, dass Poker ein Skill Game ist und wenn man die bessere Hand zum mucken bringt, gewinnt man eben auch mit der schlechteren Hand den Pot. De Wolf weiss ganz genau, dass nur 2 offene Karten einen Pot gewinnen können, er entscheidet sich nur den King zu zeigen und dann seine Karten in den Muck zu schieben. Meiner Meinung nach war hier auch der Dealer schuld, weil er De Wolfs Hand aufmacht, dürfte er nicht machen, dann wäre es noch eindeutiger.
Vollkommen korrekte Entscheidung, alle sagen doch immer, dass Poker ein Skill Game ist und wenn man die bessere Hand zum mucken bringt, gewinnt man eben auch mit der schlechteren Hand den Pot. De Wolf weiss ganz genau, dass nur 2 offene Karten einen Pot gewinnen können, er entscheidet sich nur den King zu zeigen und dann seine Karten in den Muck zu schieben. Meiner Meinung nach war hier auch der Dealer schuld, weil er De Wolfs Hand aufmacht, dürfte er nicht machen, dann wäre es noch eindeutiger.
@MrHeebiejeebies: He said that he called the hand, 'cause he put Roland on a flush/busted flush and knew Roland would muck his hand if he was on a bluff. So even if Roland would've bet with Khigh, he would win the hand 'cause Roland wouldn't show it.
Thats just a rediculous example of where common sense should have been used, not some 'standard' protocol or the cards touching the muck. And the way he slammed his hand down to celebrate like he had made some great play is fucking awful.
@jmzroxthehouse But he did, he called a bluff, and obviously was a losing hand, but Roland made the stupid decision to muck his hand, you have to remember that this is still a game and there are rules to follow. Sucks, i know, but rules are rules.
he did show the king so technically he should win, however, this is a tournament with specific rules. roland should have showed both of his cards before mucking.
@fabio05cannavaro He thought Q high was good. The call is terrible. It's purely a gamble hoping that Roland hasn't turned bottom pair/K high into a bluff which is hugely possible.
De Wolfe knows the rules and he knew very well the hand was dead. He tried to gain info by making the other guy show his hand before mucking and he then tried to confuse the other guy and the dealer when he realized his K high would have been good. The dealer stopped him from mucking because the hand needs to be shown according to the rules, to prevent foul play, but the hand was dead because he folded. The cards are shown but the hand is dead and RdW knew it. The german guy did nothing wrong.
how come u guys are saying awesome read tobias. He had the worse hand. He lost the hand and tried to win it by cheating. de wolfe showed the king and should have won.
u dont have to show both it just common and why was roland so embarassed to show the 8 with it. he was caught bluffin with the best hand just show it and move on roland u deserved it. i can understand why tobias wanted to c both he paid and wanted info on what and how he played the hand and once roland thought he was beat he did indeed muck.
Easy decision. Wolf screwed up. Outplayed by his rival, who put a monster bluff together. Showing the Q6 was reckless, but there is no question at all that RdW put both his cards emphatically into the muck before he did so. Ship it.
Why did De Wolffe only show the King? Everyone knows you need to show both cards in order to make a claim at the pot when both people call on the river. De Wolffe screwed up here.
De Wolfe didnt call the last bet and he exposed one card so his hand should be dead then. He defo mucked his cards. He slid his cards slightly under the muck and the dealer rightly took them and showed them because of the "show one card show both" rule.
brain fart by roland, but if the other guy is saying anything other than "i figured i would call the river and try to angle him out of a possible winning hand", he is probably lying.
dewolfe was wrong not to show his hand properly as he was called but he did show the K that was the best hand the german fella has no honour and is not doing himself any favours. he should either show his hand or muck them but as we saw the dealer pulled them out the muck and showed them anyway sooooo pot should go to dewolfe .
De Wolfe made the last action betting the river, so he had to show.
Finally im not sure if the hand really was in the muck. Before De Wolfe's cards hit the muck the dealer took them and turned them open. So in my opinion they were in play.
By the rules though, when Tobias "requested" that Roland show both cards, the dealer is REQUIRED to show both, therefore, Roland should have been awarded the pot.
He requested Roland show both, but in most poker rooms, the person that "should" show first can "show or muck". Roland's cards hit the muck. Hand is dead. Period.
@methdxman correct. However it doesn't justify fist-pumping on a technicality. The guy is an amateur - absolutely no respect for Tobias as he has no respect for the game. Good night, sir.
@npateman Yeah, an amateur who just won the $25k high roller event in Monte Carlo... Shut the fkk up if you have no clue what you are talking about, you fkking piece of shit.
Tobias was WRONG. He SAID to Roland "show both cards" so when the dealer held the hand and flipped it over, its exactly what Tobias would expect if he was going to win, to see both cards. The dealer HAS to turn the cards face up because he asked to see both cards!! If he hadnt have said that, then there wouldnt be any controversy. pot should have gone to Roland.
it doesnt matter if he mucked them, because BEFORE he mucked them Tobias asked to see his cards. the dealer HAS to protect the hand from the muck and turn it over because thats what Tobias asked for. Sure, Tobias abused the collusion rule, but thats irrelevant in deciding who should have won the pot.
It is NOT the dealers responsibility to flip the cards. In fact a dealer should never flip over a hand that is discarded and instead should immediately move those discarded cards to the muck. Also on your comment about the collusion rule...what Tobias did wasn't regarding the collusion rule but rather "bettor shows". This teaches beginning players to show their hands if they were the ones that lead out betting on the river. It may not have been the nicest thing what he did but those r the rules
dude, you are missing the point. Watch the video, he asks for him to show. BECAUSE HE ASKS FOR IT, the dealer MUST follow what he asked for and show his hand! Stop out thinking yourself. Watch the chain of events.
The 'IWTSTH' rule is frequently abused by players who do not understand it's purpose. At showdown, any player is allowed to ask to see any of the hands involved in the showdown. However, frequently this is used to gain information on a playing style, which is absolutely NOT what the rule is there for. It is there to prevent collusion, and should only ever be used when you suspect a player of cheating. It should not be used to 'cheat' a pot ever in the way that Tobias did.
Roland is the one that bet so Tobias is entitled to see what the other player has before Tobias turns his cards over. It takes to cards to win as well. Those are the tournament rules at the EPT.
agreed.. i think it doesnt matter if people bluff, good advertisement if u ask me... everyone knew he had king high anyways might aswell show him both!
Yeah, nothing wrong w/ anything Tobiad did. Though, for his own sake he should have waited maybe 5 seconds after roland's hand was in the muck before showing his hand, just to avoid confusion. LOL @ Roland mucking though... even before I knew the outcome it was pretty obvious that after Roland flashed a K and Tobias STILL didn't turn his hand up that he had worse
Reinkemeier's actions were deplorable. The ruling was correct as Roland should have shown both cards, but that is pure gamesmanship at it's worst. Years ago poker players would never dare to try and cheat a pot in this way - Reinkemeier has no grace.
Everybody talks about Reinkemeier's behaviour after the hand, but what about de Wolfe, who tried to get his pockets back from the dealer almost violently?? Also not very polite I think.
At least Reinkemeier played the hand awesome! It happened nearly exactly what he had expected, so he was able to see what de Wolfe was going to do...
RDW got absolutely raped in this hand. Tobias played it well within his rights and the right decision was made. if u dont show RDW you cant win end of story
very good play and talk. you haters just shutup. thats the game and he played it perfectly! you just don't get it! it has nothing to do with unsportsmanship!!!!!!!!
Well, Tobias is paying to see Roland's hand so it's not enought for him to only show the king, none the less, the pot shouldn't have gone to Tobias imo. De Wolfe should've gotten a warning and that's it.
Did anyone else notice the german go into his pocket around 2:30 and come out with cash which he gave to the floor person behind him? Seems he appreciated the floors decision and showed his appreciation with some Euros.
Your're right, BT, it was a sticker. My old eyes aren't what they once were. He takes off one sticker and it is replaced with another. Anyone know the purpose/significance of the stickers?
RDW is really a pro, he thought about this hand and realyzed that he did wrong to muck his cards like that...that s why he prefered not to comment on this hand and wish good luck to tobias...i would have exploded lol...but in fact the dealer really did wrong to show RDW cards, really.
I think think that Tobias is an asshole. The rules might say to show both cards, but every poker player knows that when another player shows you a king, it's because he has king high. What does Tobias do? Nothing.
rules are rules, he can't blame anyone except himself. when the dealer told him to show the cards, he put one card behind the line and 1 card open over the line thats a muck. And tobias is not an asshole, because tobias ask him again i wanna see your cards after the dealer asked roland to open the card but he still didn't open it. Tobias wanna see his hand because he pays for it on the river. So even if Tobias lose yhis hand he wanna see what cards roland had.
well that line is a betting line not a folding line, hand isn't dead until it touches the muck. But i agree, Tobias did nothing wrong and asked repeatedly to see RDW's both cards and RDW failed to do it and mucked his hand which lost him the pot.
When Tobias calls, it's a showdown. The person who has raised must show first, the person who called only has to show after seeing the raiser's card.
Roland is angleshooting by not wanting to show, he shows one card (which is the same as not showing at all), and after a while he mucks. I don't know why he refuses to show, it's not a big deal.
Tobias is totally right by waiting until he sees the hand. Roland is obligated to show, but tries to force the other into mucking out of turn.
You must show your cards in a showdown, but he was folding it and therfore loosing, but the dealer did the right thing to turn the cards over, the other player had pay to see it.
Rules are rules, you've gotta draw the line somewhere with regard to mucking cards. What a german cunt though, fucking awful etiquette I'd hate to win that way. You've got the losing hand mother fucker
he just wanted to see both cards, which he did pay for. its not his fault roland chosed to muck the best hand instead of showing his precious second card.
I agree, plus I think it's a wind up when people take an eternity to show their hole cards (which they're both guilty of). I just think it's awful etiquette to fight for the pot like that. If the dealer had said "the pot's yours, I legally can't award it to Roland" then accept it, of course.
But this guy's really reaching and fighting for a pot he didn't win. If he succeeded in this tournie he has no right to feel good about it.
If Rolande wanted to win then why didn't he flip up his hand.
Patricio87 1 month ago
De Wolfe owned. He wasnt trying to get info, he was showing he had king high in case it won but didnt want to turn over his kicker so realised king high cant be good so instead of turning over and giving away what he was raising with he muched and rightly lost the pit. In future just flip em over
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Glückwunsch zum TITEL!!!!
mongopilot100 3 months ago
I hate it when people have a 'bastard' flush draw 3:26
manikin6599 4 months ago
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manikin6599 4 months ago
Dem crafty Germans.
wowtrax 5 months ago in playlist Oli 3
Best german action ever
mapsv 5 months ago 2
Lesson: NEVER much without seeing villains hand. Still disgusting though..
360flip19 7 months ago
Only germans can be this sad to wanna win in this kinda way. He showed he had him beat--> is a fact. This was his only lame babyway of winning. Tobias Reinkemeier --> fag
superspacekees 7 months ago
@superspacekees
thats right!
reinkemeir is a whoreSON!!
FakeAssKilla 7 months ago
@superspacekees
haha, you are a joke dude, reinkemeier played it to the top!
ParisHilton1982 5 months ago
roland is a fucking idiot you mucked your cards just show both your cards every time. what is the point of just showing the king you tell him exactly what you had by showing that anyways. roland doesn't think very well so hes the perfect canidate for this chode play. Tobias doesn't have much of a soul
starvinmarvin44 7 months ago
wie oft er" gemuckt "sagt
mongopilot100 8 months ago
wie oft er muck sagt, ihr müsst mal zählen
mongopilot100 8 months ago
as the small blind tobias should have shown 1st. crafty play' i would have slapped his head in there an then the cheetin bastard
rons1979 8 months ago
@rons1979 Position is irrelevant. Roland made the final bet therefore he shows first.
PlasticSolution 8 months ago
@PlasticSolution they both shud have showed.
rons1979 8 months ago
@rons1979 Showdown procedure will vary depending on where you're playing, but it seems that in this tournament the bettor is allowed to muck his hand without showing if he's bluffing, but by doing so he forfeits the pot and the caller can then collect the pot without showing.
PlasticSolution 8 months ago
pretty scummy way to win a hand
Marchinski47 9 months ago
Kapier ich nicht???
mongopilot100 9 months ago
why did he muck without seeing the other guys hand XD?
CUCKOO9999 10 months ago
Jack Effel:
Roland made an error by not showing both of his cards during the showdown; however, all bets were called and the best hand should always win the pot as long as all called hands are turned face up. That said, because Roland’s cards were turned face up, regardless that it was the dealer who did so, Roland should have been awarded the pot.
Eldildorad0 10 months ago
why dindt he just show his king high? he would win? right?
123serg123 1 year ago
@123serg123 his nerves made him do something stupid for a fraktion of a second, so he got owned by poker of nerves
minervius 9 months ago
What's de dealer doing there? Why the hack does he turn over the K+8
vvthomasvv007 1 year ago
can of worms
tart167 1 year ago
I wanna see Mike Tyson againts Phil Hellmuth xDD
neoplej 1 year ago
de wolfe's hand is definitely dead after he mucked it.
nevertheless, reinkemeier made a small angle-shot there + his etiquette was questionable.
MrZakid 1 year ago
@MrZakid Not only a small angle-shoot. At 3:47, he confesses to the reporter that deWolfe bluffed and there would be a high chance that he was beat by just a bit. He further said, he tried to trick deWolfe into mucking by saying to him before showdown that he has a pretty good hand! Sorry, but that crosses the line from hero-call to angle-shoot. It makes me a little sad that he tried to win the pot like that. Why not reraising him on the river if he was so sure that deWolfe plays with air?
jussufbenjussuf 1 year ago
@jussufbenjussuf yeah, that's what mostly caught my attention - he was outright lying about the strength of his hand just to talk de wolfe into mucking (he said he has "a pretty good hand"), which was definitely an angle shot.
what de wolfe did was still stupid, but reinkemeier's behavior is still questionable
MrZakid 1 year ago
wie kann er davon ausgehen das wenn de wolfe blufft die hand so wie so ,foldet.
Und dann noch so wie ne pussy schauspielern. also muss man als pro wie ne pussy spielen um gut zu sein.find ich unkorrekt. de wolfe zum teil selber schuld.
einfach show down und fertig.
mil57 1 year ago
Goal in poker is to outplay your opponents, and as long as it s within the rules, every trick is fine. Well played, Tobias, very well played. Poker is a mind-game as well, dont forget that.
To all the pussies who think he is an angle-shooter: Get the sand out of your pussy, and go play with your Barbie & Ken-dolls, poker is definitely not the right game for you! Fkking cry-babies.
evexxxxx 1 year ago
desipc !!!!!! damn u are ridiculous
grow up asshole !
Nice move of tobi.
its just cleverness !!°
HoustonEfffect 1 year ago
Cheating german kunt
desipc 1 year ago
Cheating Nazi
desipc 1 year ago
fckin cheating tw4t
MrManga47 1 year ago
tobias is a cheating prick....
MrManga47 1 year ago
@MrManga47 How is he cheating, you fkking moron???
De Wolfe mucked, period... Only assclowns like you dont seem to realize that.
evexxxxx 1 year ago
@evexxxxx fucking idiot !! hes waiting for de wolfe to muck, once hes showed his king he should muck his hand cos hes lost, hes just trying to win unfairly. lets see if u called me a moron to my face prik !!
MrManga47 10 months ago
@MrManga47 So what, you piece of shi*****t!!!! Rules are rules, show both cards or muck your focking hand! If de Wolfe (and you) are too re.tarded to understand this basic rule, you better stay away from poker altogether.
I`d call you way more than a moron to your ugly focking face, you gay ret.ard!
evexxxxx 9 months ago
@MrManga47 ...my last comment shut the couch-fighter up, lol. Fkking pussy...
evexxxxx 8 months ago
De Wolfe USED TO BE my favourite player. what an asshole
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Was für eine Pussy ist das denn? What a german jerk. Play it like a man you punk. Roland De Wolfe is a great player. In the interview hes talking trash like "I put Roland on King High".... german pussy.
RafaNadal46 1 year ago
Was für eine Pussy ist das denn? What a german jerk. Play it like a man you punk. Roland De Wolfe is a great player. In the interview hes talking trash like "I put Roland on King High".... german pussy.
RafaNadal46 1 year ago
italys boy can learn some respect
causeNOBODY
WILL EVER TALK TO ME THAT WAY EVER AGAIN..........OPTIONS..IM THE SLUT?
WTF...HELP PLEASE
soulfoodmarketing 1 year ago
Vollkommen korrekte Entscheidung, alle sagen doch immer, dass Poker ein Skill Game ist und wenn man die bessere Hand zum mucken bringt, gewinnt man eben auch mit der schlechteren Hand den Pot. De Wolf weiss ganz genau, dass nur 2 offene Karten einen Pot gewinnen können, er entscheidet sich nur den King zu zeigen und dann seine Karten in den Muck zu schieben. Meiner Meinung nach war hier auch der Dealer schuld, weil er De Wolfs Hand aufmacht, dürfte er nicht machen, dann wäre es noch eindeutiger.
wurfo77 1 year ago
Vollkommen korrekte Entscheidung, alle sagen doch immer, dass Poker ein Skill Game ist und wenn man die bessere Hand zum mucken bringt, gewinnt man eben auch mit der schlechteren Hand den Pot. De Wolf weiss ganz genau, dass nur 2 offene Karten einen Pot gewinnen können, er entscheidet sich nur den King zu zeigen und dann seine Karten in den Muck zu schieben. Meiner Meinung nach war hier auch der Dealer schuld, weil er De Wolfs Hand aufmacht, dürfte er nicht machen, dann wäre es noch eindeutiger.
wurfo77 1 year ago
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UsualUnknownSuspect 1 year ago
what does Thomas say in the interview?
MrHeebiejeebies 1 year ago
@MrHeebiejeebies: He said that he called the hand, 'cause he put Roland on a flush/busted flush and knew Roland would muck his hand if he was on a bluff. So even if Roland would've bet with Khigh, he would win the hand 'cause Roland wouldn't show it.
Ratakresh 1 year ago
search Hellmuth vs Bellande: A Lesson on Poker Etiquette
almost same and funny discussion
kkk7hh 1 year ago
100% muck but gay play from the german not poker but smartintrested case but de wolfes mistake
kkk7hh 1 year ago
Thats just a rediculous example of where common sense should have been used, not some 'standard' protocol or the cards touching the muck. And the way he slammed his hand down to celebrate like he had made some great play is fucking awful.
jmzroxthehouse 1 year ago
@jmzroxthehouse But he did, he called a bluff, and obviously was a losing hand, but Roland made the stupid decision to muck his hand, you have to remember that this is still a game and there are rules to follow. Sucks, i know, but rules are rules.
bowser23 1 year ago
Monster hands hahahah :D
BobbyNutzzz 1 year ago
that guy is a fuken douche....roland took it well imo. I'd be tempted to knock that guy out....
sebas0515 1 year ago
Da kann man einfach nur sagen: "Nice hand!"
Wuscher 1 year ago
very rude!
levenen 1 year ago
Typical german cheating twat!
Vinwoir 1 year ago
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Regel ist Regel, aber gut legal getrickst !
schneeflocke1979 1 year ago
Regel ist regel, gut legal getrickst.
schneeflocke1979 1 year ago 2
roland de wolf ist a fat ugly guy!!!
theumi1 1 year ago
he did show the king so technically he should win, however, this is a tournament with specific rules. roland should have showed both of his cards before mucking.
D1LatedPupils 1 year ago
12000 anwetten? ist das deutsch :D?
Rocket33r 1 year ago
Haha, De wolfe, what a fool, you always have to show 2 cards.
HeartCrashes10 1 year ago
that fattyde wolf should have just showed his cards... honestly this was the most brilliant poker move ive ever seen by tobias... roland is a tard
frogger1017 1 year ago 2
i might not be a great player, and i might not know all the tournament rules, but what's with the call??
i mean even if you think roland is bluffing, why calling??
can anybody explain?please...
fabio05cannavaro 1 year ago
@fabio05cannavaro He thought Q high was good. The call is terrible. It's purely a gamble hoping that Roland hasn't turned bottom pair/K high into a bluff which is hugely possible.
npateman 1 year ago
De Wolfe knows the rules and he knew very well the hand was dead. He tried to gain info by making the other guy show his hand before mucking and he then tried to confuse the other guy and the dealer when he realized his K high would have been good. The dealer stopped him from mucking because the hand needs to be shown according to the rules, to prevent foul play, but the hand was dead because he folded. The cards are shown but the hand is dead and RdW knew it. The german guy did nothing wrong.
crockett616 1 year ago 18
@crockett616 "The German guy did nothing wrong" - You are giving poker a bad name by saying that. You are a complete unethical idiot.
lollerz16 9 months ago
Wow. Even if he did just show the one card, he turned it back over and pushed his cards away into the muck.
It's unfortunate and I'd be really pissed off if I did that with the winning hand but they're the rules.
Binerexis 1 year ago
how come u guys are saying awesome read tobias. He had the worse hand. He lost the hand and tried to win it by cheating. de wolfe showed the king and should have won.
TheyCallMeTex 1 year ago
Crazy angleshoot, what a faggot
urbain77 1 year ago
u dont have to show both it just common and why was roland so embarassed to show the 8 with it. he was caught bluffin with the best hand just show it and move on roland u deserved it. i can understand why tobias wanted to c both he paid and wanted info on what and how he played the hand and once roland thought he was beat he did indeed muck.
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stu17dfc (4 months ago)
ruling was correct but the gamesmanship was terrible
robertorivera987 1 year ago
That's German sportsmanship for you.
gazz12345a 1 year ago
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gazz12345a 1 year ago
De Wolfe is so stupid. He knows the rules. He mucked his hand. I hate people only showing one card, so de Wolfe deserved to lose it.
wichtolosaurus2 1 year ago
Easy decision. Wolf screwed up. Outplayed by his rival, who put a monster bluff together. Showing the Q6 was reckless, but there is no question at all that RdW put both his cards emphatically into the muck before he did so. Ship it.
pokerTVC15 2 years ago 4
typical stereotype behaviour. So freaking sad to show the Q-high when Roland mucked.
markexii 2 years ago
If you have 2 win like that.... what a sick German.... BAHHHH...!!!! Still don't know how to behave.... oke he mucks but it still is DIRTY....
koffie79 2 years ago
THATS THE MUCK AHAHAHA
smirko 2 years ago
its pro to pic up read that de wolfe mucks bluffs and USE it!
Very nice Tobias
ckyambitny 2 years ago 4
Why did De Wolffe only show the King? Everyone knows you need to show both cards in order to make a claim at the pot when both people call on the river. De Wolffe screwed up here.
Disney312 2 years ago 2
british sucks !
presidento1 2 years ago
De Wolfe didnt call the last bet and he exposed one card so his hand should be dead then. He defo mucked his cards. He slid his cards slightly under the muck and the dealer rightly took them and showed them because of the "show one card show both" rule.
De Wolfe showed no class at all.
TijiHippy 2 years ago
Warum kommst du nicht nur Englisch lernen?
Nilgard 2 years ago
angle shooting isnt cheating cycyg.. look it up
ARGLE11 2 years ago
brain fart by roland, but if the other guy is saying anything other than "i figured i would call the river and try to angle him out of a possible winning hand", he is probably lying.
TBoblp 2 years ago
dewolfe was wrong not to show his hand properly as he was called but he did show the K that was the best hand the german fella has no honour and is not doing himself any favours. he should either show his hand or muck them but as we saw the dealer pulled them out the muck and showed them anyway sooooo pot should go to dewolfe .
goonerno14 2 years ago
geniaal!
Paurro 2 years ago
De Wolfe made the last action betting the river, so he had to show.
Finally im not sure if the hand really was in the muck. Before De Wolfe's cards hit the muck the dealer took them and turned them open. So in my opinion they were in play.
ascetic66 2 years ago
Haha, moin Tobi! xD
War ne coole Zeit im Geschichte-LK mit dir xD
CouchAthlet1988 2 years ago 2
ach ja duitsers
neeltjejacoba 2 years ago
what a bad call on the river and what a sad way to win a pot. disgusting. Roland FTW
deniztasdelen 2 years ago
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What a gay braadwürscht
newuser80 2 years ago
krass wie entspannt und sympathisch de wolf antwortet. hätt eher nen ausraster erwartet
germanphil112 2 years ago
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albkidd 2 years ago
thats what he gets. if someone asks to see your cards when you get called, you better show your cards
JanuaryDiamonds 2 years ago
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hahaha if you have to win like this you are pretty sad as player-.- if yuou cant win with skills then you gotta win with some dumb tricks
fcking lame ass
RESPECT FOR ROLAND
MrQazek 2 years ago
lol he did won by skill. He outplayed de Wolfe so badly here xD
elplanoloco 2 years ago 4
you dont get it, what he did was SKILL lolz
rafakasb 2 years ago
I think it's pretty creative.. Roland knows he was wrong and his hand was dead. If he thought of it, he would consider it a genius play.
britewired 2 years ago
Brüno!!!
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 years ago
Leak in the rules doesn't change the fact that Reinkemeier is total douchebag.
TomMolivan 2 years ago
this is a awesome vid.. what a great play and what a great read by Tobias... respect for that !!
Nick19843333 2 years ago 5
de wolfe,hahahhah,no good bluff,hhhahahahahah
skinaide 2 years ago
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ok der de wolf hat geblufft, aber das du idiot mit Q hoch calls das ist unbegreiflich voll depp
icekaffee 2 years ago
du hast null Ahnung von Poker, begreifst nicht mal annähernd die komplexen Denkweisen.. bist bestimmt ein grosser Fisch und bleibst es auch ;)
Nick19843333 2 years ago 4
Well planned and well done, Tobias.
Roland made a BIG mistake by having the cards mucked and failing to show both cards outside of the muck.
Tobias knew he was beat after seeing the K of Roland and quickly came with a way how to win the pot.
So, according to the rules, but the best display of sportsmanship.
KuceraLukas 2 years ago
By the rules though, when Tobias "requested" that Roland show both cards, the dealer is REQUIRED to show both, therefore, Roland should have been awarded the pot.
gr187 2 years ago
He requested Roland show both, but in most poker rooms, the person that "should" show first can "show or muck". Roland's cards hit the muck. Hand is dead. Period.
methdxman 2 years ago 28
@methdxman correct. However it doesn't justify fist-pumping on a technicality. The guy is an amateur - absolutely no respect for Tobias as he has no respect for the game. Good night, sir.
npateman 1 year ago
@npateman
yeah an amateur winning millinons with poker.. lol
elplanoloco 1 year ago
@npateman Yeah, an amateur who just won the $25k high roller event in Monte Carlo... Shut the fkk up if you have no clue what you are talking about, you fkking piece of shit.
evexxxxx 1 year ago 5
@methdxman w8 hi didn't muck if he had showen the king high
kachilleas 1 year ago
ruling was correct but the gamesmanship was terrible
stu17dfc 2 years ago
FIST PUMP ONE TIME!!!!!!
bernieisodd 2 years ago 4
King of angle shooters.
genome47 2 years ago
Tobias was WRONG. He SAID to Roland "show both cards" so when the dealer held the hand and flipped it over, its exactly what Tobias would expect if he was going to win, to see both cards. The dealer HAS to turn the cards face up because he asked to see both cards!! If he hadnt have said that, then there wouldnt be any controversy. pot should have gone to Roland.
macten 2 years ago
no way!!! he mucked the cards! end of the story!
no doubt about it! its obvious...
brudajo 2 years ago 3
it doesnt matter if he mucked them, because BEFORE he mucked them Tobias asked to see his cards. the dealer HAS to protect the hand from the muck and turn it over because thats what Tobias asked for. Sure, Tobias abused the collusion rule, but thats irrelevant in deciding who should have won the pot.
macten 2 years ago
It is NOT the dealers responsibility to flip the cards. In fact a dealer should never flip over a hand that is discarded and instead should immediately move those discarded cards to the muck. Also on your comment about the collusion rule...what Tobias did wasn't regarding the collusion rule but rather "bettor shows". This teaches beginning players to show their hands if they were the ones that lead out betting on the river. It may not have been the nicest thing what he did but those r the rules
philiveyaa 2 years ago
dude, you are missing the point. Watch the video, he asks for him to show. BECAUSE HE ASKS FOR IT, the dealer MUST follow what he asked for and show his hand! Stop out thinking yourself. Watch the chain of events.
macten 2 years ago
The 'IWTSTH' rule is frequently abused by players who do not understand it's purpose. At showdown, any player is allowed to ask to see any of the hands involved in the showdown. However, frequently this is used to gain information on a playing style, which is absolutely NOT what the rule is there for. It is there to prevent collusion, and should only ever be used when you suspect a player of cheating. It should not be used to 'cheat' a pot ever in the way that Tobias did.
pmanngw 2 years ago
Roland is the one that bet so Tobias is entitled to see what the other player has before Tobias turns his cards over. It takes to cards to win as well. Those are the tournament rules at the EPT.
philiveyaa 2 years ago
Moral of the story
Never be ashamed to show your cards at showdown!!
If roland just shows both cards he makes the other guy look like an idiot for flat calling the river with Q high
DarraghWhiteboy 2 years ago 3
yup for sure, he would look like a total idiot but I'm thinking this outcome was what Tobias had planned out. :P
philiveyaa 2 years ago
@DarraghWhiteboy
agreed.. i think it doesnt matter if people bluff, good advertisement if u ask me... everyone knew he had king high anyways might aswell show him both!
suneel7 1 year ago
typical german scumbag
xMoFoTube 2 years ago
Gamesmanship at its absolute worst. Tobias Reinkemeier should be ashamed of himself.
durks2514 2 years ago 2
tricky player :))))
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lisa21schmidt 2 years ago
Yeah, nothing wrong w/ anything Tobiad did. Though, for his own sake he should have waited maybe 5 seconds after roland's hand was in the muck before showing his hand, just to avoid confusion. LOL @ Roland mucking though... even before I knew the outcome it was pretty obvious that after Roland flashed a K and Tobias STILL didn't turn his hand up that he had worse
TheIllegit 2 years ago
fun
Just1Answer 2 years ago
Reinkemeier's actions were deplorable. The ruling was correct as Roland should have shown both cards, but that is pure gamesmanship at it's worst. Years ago poker players would never dare to try and cheat a pot in this way - Reinkemeier has no grace.
pmanngw 2 years ago
Everybody talks about Reinkemeier's behaviour after the hand, but what about de Wolfe, who tried to get his pockets back from the dealer almost violently?? Also not very polite I think.
At least Reinkemeier played the hand awesome! It happened nearly exactly what he had expected, so he was able to see what de Wolfe was going to do...
HermiNgk 2 years ago 2
Roland HAS TO show BOTH cards to win the pot, so tobias is in the right.
Waldquelle187 2 years ago 3
RDW got absolutely raped in this hand. Tobias played it well within his rights and the right decision was made. if u dont show RDW you cant win end of story
cjbridle1 2 years ago 2
very good play and talk. you haters just shutup. thats the game and he played it perfectly! you just don't get it! it has nothing to do with unsportsmanship!!!!!!!!
Bumbarashka 2 years ago
really fag thing to do by tobias, and the dealern turn up both rolands cards so i think the right thing to do would be to give roland the pot
calhellmuth 2 years ago
Tobias did nothing wrong. If your paying to see two cards, two cards is required to win the hand.
Other guy mucks, Tobias wins. Simple.
Alex28282828 2 years ago 4
Well, Tobias is paying to see Roland's hand so it's not enought for him to only show the king, none the less, the pot shouldn't have gone to Tobias imo. De Wolfe should've gotten a warning and that's it.
nejtilsvampe 2 years ago
Did anyone else notice the german go into his pocket around 2:30 and come out with cash which he gave to the floor person behind him? Seems he appreciated the floors decision and showed his appreciation with some Euros.
harvskid 2 years ago
eh it was a sticker on his arm...
BeckhamTjai 2 years ago
Your're right, BT, it was a sticker. My old eyes aren't what they once were. He takes off one sticker and it is replaced with another. Anyone know the purpose/significance of the stickers?
bboardnewport99 2 years ago
tobias might have the rules on his side, it's an unfair move nontheless. not classy.
themikeofmikes 2 years ago
RDW is really a pro, he thought about this hand and realyzed that he did wrong to muck his cards like that...that s why he prefered not to comment on this hand and wish good luck to tobias...i would have exploded lol...but in fact the dealer really did wrong to show RDW cards, really.
Rockmoule 2 years ago 3
RDW is a real class act. Much respect for him. Tobias....ist a douche
TheCptCool 2 years ago 3
I think think that Tobias is an asshole. The rules might say to show both cards, but every poker player knows that when another player shows you a king, it's because he has king high. What does Tobias do? Nothing.
Asshole move.
leolauzon 2 years ago
rules are rules, he can't blame anyone except himself. when the dealer told him to show the cards, he put one card behind the line and 1 card open over the line thats a muck. And tobias is not an asshole, because tobias ask him again i wanna see your cards after the dealer asked roland to open the card but he still didn't open it. Tobias wanna see his hand because he pays for it on the river. So even if Tobias lose yhis hand he wanna see what cards roland had.
BeckhamTjai 2 years ago 2
well that line is a betting line not a folding line, hand isn't dead until it touches the muck. But i agree, Tobias did nothing wrong and asked repeatedly to see RDW's both cards and RDW failed to do it and mucked his hand which lost him the pot.
philiveyaa 2 years ago
he touched his hand with the muck, if it touches the muck the hand is dead
rafakasb 2 years ago 4
Only mistake is by the dealer for showing Rolands cards.
SayNoobB4ULeave 2 years ago 3
Ronald was a great chicken throwing the cards in the muck, having read the cards of the opponent.
Just decision of the director Thomas Kremser !!!
TheKeyPoker 2 years ago
you can't muck at showdown in tournaments. cards are live and best hands wins, imo
cuntscab555 2 years ago
When Tobias calls, it's a showdown. The person who has raised must show first, the person who called only has to show after seeing the raiser's card.
Roland is angleshooting by not wanting to show, he shows one card (which is the same as not showing at all), and after a while he mucks. I don't know why he refuses to show, it's not a big deal.
Tobias is totally right by waiting until he sees the hand. Roland is obligated to show, but tries to force the other into mucking out of turn.
girlie347 2 years ago 2
this is assraping... in german style..
jesus
wardmevis 2 years ago 2
lol idiot
giofish90 2 years ago
Reinkemeier is a dirty p.o.s. angle shooter
cmichael67 2 years ago
You must show your cards in a showdown, but he was folding it and therfore loosing, but the dealer did the right thing to turn the cards over, the other player had pay to see it.
trovid1 2 years ago
lol
carlosrojo02 2 years ago
Goddammit Roland, you got called. Just show your damn cards!
Devilboy668 2 years ago 5
Rules are rules, you've gotta draw the line somewhere with regard to mucking cards. What a german cunt though, fucking awful etiquette I'd hate to win that way. You've got the losing hand mother fucker
Th3Z0ne 2 years ago
I agree with both of your points.
Rules are rules, but the German is complete prick.
Infalicious 2 years ago
he just wanted to see both cards, which he did pay for. its not his fault roland chosed to muck the best hand instead of showing his precious second card.
primaxp 2 years ago 2
I agree, plus I think it's a wind up when people take an eternity to show their hole cards (which they're both guilty of). I just think it's awful etiquette to fight for the pot like that. If the dealer had said "the pot's yours, I legally can't award it to Roland" then accept it, of course.
But this guy's really reaching and fighting for a pot he didn't win. If he succeeded in this tournie he has no right to feel good about it.
Th3Z0ne 2 years ago
Roland was the aggressor, he's supposed to show first. On the point of 'both guys took too long to show', I can only blame Roland for that.
eljefereal 2 years ago
No doubt here: Rlland refused to show & mucked! he loose the pot. Fault of the dealer returning his cards!
frenchflush 2 years ago
Whatever the rules say, Rainmaker wins douchebag of the month award
TomMolivan 2 years ago