This is the pinical of battery tech and its 20 years old. While i love the idea of the electric car its not a secret that batteries have been researched twice as long as cars and still the best we get expensive, long charging, short lifespan and not enough power for cars.
Give it up now will you. Battery tech have reached the limit and still they are destined to fail.
@emforty2 Except in this case the batteries don't catch fire from a match, they catch fire from overchanging and other misuse. Straight electric vehicles such as trams, trains and trolleybuses do not have these problems, trolleybuses for example do need batteries but only for limited off-wire use.
@Myrtone charge controllers ensure there is no danger of this happening (i.e. electronics on the attached circuit board). They are no more dangerous than petroleum cars
lithium great eh? well, you can either head to bolivia and get permission from their socialist government. or you can head to afghanistan and fight with the taliban for some. either way, that is your options. oh ya... and if the planet converts to it, there is only like a 3 month supply on the entire planet. enjoy. batteries are great for some stuff, but not everything.
@b101aa2 Completely false. Lithium is quite abundant, so much so that mines in the US have shut down because the price of lithium is so low. Some of them will be reopening now that the demand for lithium is increasing. Any credible study shows that lithium supplies will be able to keep up with demand for a very long time.
@JRP3 um, no... quite true... learn a bit on the topic before you spout out that it's false. and why lithium ore has gone up 8 fold in price since 2006. not 800%, but 8 fold. and it is not like it is some closely guarded secret about there are only 2 significant deposits, in hostile countries. and credible, try the entire mining industry on planet earth.
@b101aa2 Um, no not quite true at all. I have learned something about the topic, and what I learned is that there is plenty of lithium. In fact, why don't you Google "plenty of lithium" and start reading. Yes the price of lithium has gone up, which is why, as I stated, lithium mines in the US are starting up again. The fact is there is very little lithium in a lithium battery.
@JRP3 how about instead of searching for keywords that are biased in nature, instead search for factual information. try lithium mining deposits... and i know this subject quite well. i own apx 400,000 shares of stock in 3 different lithium mining companies. just the capital gains taxes i've paid over the last few years is more then i have ever paid for anything, because lithium prices have sky rocketed. many many times more then gold or silver, due to there being limited supply.
@b101aa2 A recent increase in demand coupled with a temporary limitation of production caused the price increase, and your profits. However that is not the same thing as limitations or restrictions of the actual resource. As lithium becomes more valuable more mines will be brought online. Chemettal lists current estimated reserves of lithium carbonate at 150,000,000 tons, and current world wide demand at 122,000 tons. They estimate world wide resources will last over 1,000 years. Plenty.
@JRP3 the mining industry. wiki, the oil industry, and wall street have it estimated that there are 23 million tons total of known lithium. that includes afghanistan. bolivia and afghanistan are the two only known large deposits. the rest is sporadic. as there are deposits in most salt beds, there however isn't huge quanities. 1 chevy volt lithium battery is close to 200 pounds. That is only 1 car... just 1. so @ mil cars, that is 200 mil pounds / 100,000 tons. math is easy. bias is not.
@b101aa2 I guess math is not easy for you. Talk about bias, you're wrong again. First, the Volt pack is almost 400lbs, but the amount of lithium carbonate in it is probably less than 40lbs. Different lithium chemistries use different amounts of lithium carbonate, LiFePO4 uses even less than the LiPoly Volt pack. Instead of trying to tell me how little I know you should probably try educating yourself about the lithium batteries you don't think we can build.
@JRP3 you google that or something. i said lithium. that doesn't include the wires, casing, mounting, shell for protection because if it explodes, everything is incinerated nearby. 400 lbs for the whole pack... and btw, lipoly are refered to as lipo cells, ie lipo packs. bias, ya, since you spouted off crazy numbers that are 10 times the actual numbers by the entire planet of who actual knows. education, god i hope i know, cause i have several large lipo's about 8' away. yet alone investments
@b101aa2 That's funny, because LG Chem, the company that actually makes the Volt cells, calls them Lithium Polymer, not lipo. In any case, most of the Volt pack weight is the cells, but it's not mostly lithium. As I said, lithium carbonate is probably less than 40lbs.
@JRP3 and there you go again... Lithium Polymer = "Li" "Po" = LIPO... LIPO PACK.. about 6,510,000 results (0.27 seconds) here in the u.s. google it like you have been doing since your pulling hairs there already... hey, ever exposed lithium to the atmosphere, aka opened on up? do it, watch what happens.. better yet, crack one and watch what happens... poof, everything around it is toasted... now, scale that up to 200 lbs... car and people, roasted.. anywho ltr arm chair...
@b101aa2 Fail, it tarnishes on contact with air. Only rubidium & higher elements (alkali metals only) ignite spontaneously on contact with air. if misused even only for a few seconds it will ignite then....such as: overcharging, overheating, diliberate contact with acids or water & many other things.
@Saulscmit fail huh. ever seen a lip pack ignite? the rc world heavily uses lipo packs (lithium polymer batteries). there is almost no one that is not familar to what happens when a lipo pack gets hot and ignites. this this X 200 and you have batteries in cars. enjoy the incineration video: EseOhC8n7ro that video, the guy's pack got hot, so he removed it fast and isolated it from his equipment. as per the status quo, POOF.
@b101aa2 That doesn't warrant an arguement. You simply changed the topic.
An electrical charge gives lithium enough energy to ignite. Due to resistance it eats up. Lithium's opperating temperature is 50 Degrees C, or 110 Degrees F.
@Saulscmit huh? you are commenting me. i didn't change the subject. you did. i am not trolling you. you are trolling me. and as a side note, lipo's have an operating temp, sure. but you put a heavy load on a lipo, like going up hill, it becomes way way hotter then flat and steady. simple physics of current draw, ie amperage. your 110F can become 250F in about 10 seconds. which note, 110F max you say? they've blow up just sitting in a parking lot during the summer. cheers.
@JRP3 look at: usgs . gov/minerals/pubs/mcs/2010/mcs2010.pdf not exactly 200 million tons. no idea where you got that from, because the entire planet's scientific and engineering communities have never said 200 million. it is 23... math...
@b101aa2 OK, you need to understand the difference between lithium and lithium carbonate. I got my numbers from Chemetall's website. I think they might know something about lithium reserves.
@JRP3 dang, you don't stop. just go away. you off base with everything you say. you obviously don't know anything about this subject, because lithium carbonate is a process used to extract the lithium mineral itself. the carbonate process of it is CARBON... ie, that pesky global warming thing that is proven bogus. also, i actually do know a little something about it. if you need to google everything for a bit of info you know nothing about, just bug off. it's like arm chair piloting...
@b101aa2 You're right, I should go away, because you have no idea what you are talking about and I'm wasting my time. Keep waiting to run out of lithium and keep waiting for EV battery packs to explode. Neither one is going to happen, sorry for the dose of reality, please return to your previously scheduled delusions.
@b101aa2 also, know much on chemistry? the average auto using lithium batteries, the manufacturing is equivalent to 100,000 miles driven already with gasoline based carbon output. why, because "lithium carbonate production" it takes an immense amount of carbon based processing to create lithium batteries. actually. that is how lithium is processed. and, it can be used only once. once the minerals in lithium are used up, that's it. no recycling. just toxic waste. cheers
its confusing because they make it seem like the battery holds a charge and can be tested at a point where there is only lithium in the battery. pure lithium has a charge but you need to wind it with something of the opposite charge to get electricity out, I thought
The name of this video should be named. . . . " How big ass mega rich companies make lithium polymer batteries that the average person could NEVER do". Duh
Something about this is just not right. It is my understanding that lithium metal does not exist in nature because it is highly reactive. The ingot shown, were it made of lithium metal, would explode.
The microscopic structure of today's batteries is primitive, means: still very chaotic. In order to make way more efficient batteries that also grow smaller it's necessary to manipulate on way lower scales than it's done today.
No one uses a Li metal positive electrode in commercial or vehicle cells, almost all the 18650 you find are graphite, MCMB or some other designer carbon, rarely you will find Si or tin alloy negative electrode.
The video also gives you no information about the positive electrode, which is misleading because it leads one to think that the single cell both electrodes are Li-metal instead of LiCoO2/Li-metal.
Sorry for my disinformtion but why the litthium does not reat with the air while it is being laminated as shown in the video ? I did not see the workers wearing gas masks so I suppose the atmosfere still has the air oxygen on it.
Lithium can also be extracted from seawater. Some physicist said they estimate a supply that would last over 300m years. I don't think it's that much, but it's still a significant amount.
Let those gas prices go up baby.....Force the world to go green.........Only 4 companies produce lithium currently.........4 companies cannot meet the demand of a world full of electric cars.........The next oil??? = Lithium (ion batteries)
40 exploration companies all penny stocks.
I would rather put my money there than in the tank.
Lithium is the lightest solid on the earth unless you want to drive a car filled with explosive natural gas or nuclear power uranium.
The average pollution carbon footprint created by 12 kilowatt hours of electricty is nearly equal to that of one gallon of gasoline. Estimates done by Busettii Electric Bikes show that 6 kilowatt hours electricty is needed to charge a huge 72 volt 50 ah lithium battery. This bike will go 75 miles on each charge so that means its about one fourth of the carbon footprint of an equivolent gas powered motorcycle. A 75% cut in carbon and pollution out put sounds good to me ! Dr. Faber
cool, now all i need is 40,000 lb press. and a factory, and some of those guys in labgear! ok so theres no way we mere mortals could ever make a lithium ion battery and you thought youd just rub it in didnt you! dont deny it! we're onto your high brow mocking! i'm gonna shuv this copper rod into this lemon and imagine its you! ;) just kidding, OR AM I ?
@BR1GHT0NCH3MTRA1LZ2 nothing is impossible, imagine if we could unite and open a factory of our own and tell these major corporations to fuck off. just have to believe.
@cardcollectordbw You can purchase many kinds of lithuim battries - Lithuim Ion, Li-Poly(Li-Ion), Lithuim Oxide(non-rechargable). You can purchase the battries at any electronics shop, while Lithuim Oxide can be purchased from Energizer and some other companies.
"the oil companies are trying..." Man how ignorant are you? Who do think owns / and is pouring billions over and over in the R&D of Li- based cells.
The latest cell that seems to be the answer for large apps like cars are a lith-manganese based compound. They have a better capacity to size ratio when compared to Li-po's but are quite heavy in comparison. So, they won't for example replace the Li-ion's in phones or whatever but are fine for cars ibid.
@mysticradio - Except that when the battery in your electric car dies, you can recycle it and get all of the lithium back. Plus, lithium is a very abundant metal, and the batteries don't take much. 5kg worth in over 200 battery packs (from the video).
Are there lithium batteries on the market that can replace regular ones in cars? It would seem that they would be popular with people who want to mod their car and reduce the cars weight up in the for for better handling. It seems that it would be an easy mod and i think people would pay $ for it since there is a market for carbon fiber hoods and lightweight rims.
The problem here is in the process. This is entirely too much "hand fabrication". The process will have to be automated completely to make it economical viable for large scale production. Right now, only Valence has overcome the issues of safety, repeated deep charge and discharge, and mass production...but the cost of the battery is still high.
Great vid! This is a cool process I only hope it is safe if these batteries open up when in an accident and the fire department spray water to put it out. Sorry but this technology will never make it. Nickle metal hydride is still the safe way to go. Notice no toxicity with nickle. Too bad we lost the patent rights(Dr's Pons and Fleischman). Can this process be used to make NMIH batteries? Nano technology is still years off. Too costly to run, look at Altair Nano, with very little to show.
I think nanotech is being under-rated here. The big advance with nano beside fast charging time is being able to re-engineer battery components (anode and cathode) to withstand many more deep charge and discharge cycles) If successful, this could alter the economics of electric vehicles greatly.
Notice these guys are wearing bunny suits because of the hazardous
(read poisonous) lithium films. Ah, well, its no worse than lead poisoning which results in nerve disorders, learning disabilities, birth defects and a host of other problems.
It's a sad indictment on the American educational system that many of today's youth do not know their alkaline metals. Studies show that the average Finnish 9th grader knows more than the average American high school graduate about the properties of rubidium. Just as America was prodded by Sputnik to focus on its math and science education, alkaline retardation should provide an impetus for more rigorous chemical curriculum in America's highschools.
Nanotechnology is the future! Google "Quasicrystals" and "Metamaterials" for a hint on where the future of battery and solar cell technology is going...
I understand what your saying, but you have to understand that some countries do not even produce 1 drop of their own oil, and have no oil company interests, this is why some countries already have removed themselves from the OPEC tit. its not "hitmen" that slow electrics advancement, its the disinformation, in the case of electric or anything green, the Media is used to scare or dis inform the public. these big industries are protecting their monopoly and profits, not with the gun though.
That's not good, is it? Isn't there a kind of way to prevent the batteries becoming overcharged? Or a fire-extinguisher unit?
But beside those inconveniences, I think an electric car is worth it, considering the low price of recharging and the better acceleration and all that. The range is also becoming much better then it used to be, right?
Very dangerous, even dead batteries. I cut the battery open, shorted something; & with first cut it was smoking, hot, smelly, & could have exploded. Eye & hand protection, removed the rolled sheets of copper and lithium, seperated them & the heat & smoking immediately stopped. This was a motorola cell phone battery, single cell of 3.6 volts. The two metals were originally insulated with white plastic bag looking stuff. Touch the two metal sheets and it immediately heats up.
No, dead short, was smoking. What confuses me is that there is this black sprayed coating on both metal strips which research says may be some kind of nano-particle compressed metallic compound/paste, used to increase Li electrodes. Copper & lithium is 3 volts potential, & so the paste may account for the increase to 3.6. I'll send you the link.
No sizzle or temperature change in water, but lithium may be some sort of lead/lithium mixture, & that black coating is on both metal strips.
Well, lithium & lithium ion are different & the technology is tightly held secret. Mine is lithium ion, no sizzle cause it appears to be copper and zinc electrodes laminated with lithium and then layered or wrapped. It's like two half cells or multi-cells or something. NASA claims or bluffs that the lithium laminate electrolyte boosts the charge rate, but the copper and zinc electrodes could be some kind of lithium alloys, with electrolyte carbon or graphite, or something. Nobody knows.
Wikipedia, under the safety secion, Emits xrays which is High Frequency Radiation which is dangerous. Seems that they would be required to put this on the label.
They use these batteries in most RC planes/cars/helicopters. They last a long time, don't take long to charge, and come in tons of different "settings."
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Nature898989 2 weeks ago
You jacked this from how its made and replaced the sound track with your music and shit voice.
aForkandaSpoon 3 weeks ago
@aForkandaSpoon I think the voice is David Schwimmer from Friends
superusermode 2 weeks ago
does anybody know WHY they chose lithium ?
Tmaker197812 1 month ago
@Tmaker197812 Couse lithium has the highest energy density
TheKjuno 1 month ago
@TheKjuno Someone who told you that was wrong. You'd better think twice and check it again yourself ))).
Tmaker197812 1 month ago
"Hot to make?" I think it should read "How they make!" I have a lot of tools, but non which are capable of making a 'Lithium Battery'
10p6 1 month ago 2
Very cool. I want a small battery to run a bicycle.
2ndhandSmoking 2 months ago
EASY i'm gonna make it.
arnoldaszlt 3 months ago
This is the pinical of battery tech and its 20 years old. While i love the idea of the electric car its not a secret that batteries have been researched twice as long as cars and still the best we get expensive, long charging, short lifespan and not enough power for cars.
Give it up now will you. Battery tech have reached the limit and still they are destined to fail.
mrdojob 4 months ago
@mrdojob no you are wrong - they have not reached the limit in technology. They simply do not understand principles to make it right.
Tmaker197812 1 month ago
@mrdojob Acctualy not, couse conductive polymers have been discovered some 10 - 15 years ago, and still not understod very well
TheKjuno 1 month ago
Lithium Polymer batteires are actually a fire hazard. They can catch alight if overcharged.
Myrtone 5 months ago
@Myrtone and so is gasoline try lighting a match near it
emforty2 4 months ago
@emforty2 Except in this case the batteries don't catch fire from a match, they catch fire from overchanging and other misuse. Straight electric vehicles such as trams, trains and trolleybuses do not have these problems, trolleybuses for example do need batteries but only for limited off-wire use.
Myrtone 4 months ago
@Myrtone charge controllers ensure there is no danger of this happening (i.e. electronics on the attached circuit board). They are no more dangerous than petroleum cars
bertazoid 3 months ago
yeah but if you crash and puncture a hole in the battery i explodes....
ds2626 6 months ago
@ds2626 petrol is pretty explosive too ;)
MrHolozip 5 months ago
I would prefer this video without the noise which they use instead of music.
sparkygl0s 6 months ago
Where can we buy these batteries. Need 48 volt banks
servicesafloatnz 7 months ago
lithium great eh? well, you can either head to bolivia and get permission from their socialist government. or you can head to afghanistan and fight with the taliban for some. either way, that is your options. oh ya... and if the planet converts to it, there is only like a 3 month supply on the entire planet. enjoy. batteries are great for some stuff, but not everything.
b101aa2 8 months ago
@b101aa2 Completely false. Lithium is quite abundant, so much so that mines in the US have shut down because the price of lithium is so low. Some of them will be reopening now that the demand for lithium is increasing. Any credible study shows that lithium supplies will be able to keep up with demand for a very long time.
JRP3 7 months ago
@JRP3 um, no... quite true... learn a bit on the topic before you spout out that it's false. and why lithium ore has gone up 8 fold in price since 2006. not 800%, but 8 fold. and it is not like it is some closely guarded secret about there are only 2 significant deposits, in hostile countries. and credible, try the entire mining industry on planet earth.
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 Um, no not quite true at all. I have learned something about the topic, and what I learned is that there is plenty of lithium. In fact, why don't you Google "plenty of lithium" and start reading. Yes the price of lithium has gone up, which is why, as I stated, lithium mines in the US are starting up again. The fact is there is very little lithium in a lithium battery.
JRP3 7 months ago
@JRP3 how about instead of searching for keywords that are biased in nature, instead search for factual information. try lithium mining deposits... and i know this subject quite well. i own apx 400,000 shares of stock in 3 different lithium mining companies. just the capital gains taxes i've paid over the last few years is more then i have ever paid for anything, because lithium prices have sky rocketed. many many times more then gold or silver, due to there being limited supply.
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 A recent increase in demand coupled with a temporary limitation of production caused the price increase, and your profits. However that is not the same thing as limitations or restrictions of the actual resource. As lithium becomes more valuable more mines will be brought online. Chemettal lists current estimated reserves of lithium carbonate at 150,000,000 tons, and current world wide demand at 122,000 tons. They estimate world wide resources will last over 1,000 years. Plenty.
JRP3 7 months ago
@JRP3 the mining industry. wiki, the oil industry, and wall street have it estimated that there are 23 million tons total of known lithium. that includes afghanistan. bolivia and afghanistan are the two only known large deposits. the rest is sporadic. as there are deposits in most salt beds, there however isn't huge quanities. 1 chevy volt lithium battery is close to 200 pounds. That is only 1 car... just 1. so @ mil cars, that is 200 mil pounds / 100,000 tons. math is easy. bias is not.
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 I guess math is not easy for you. Talk about bias, you're wrong again. First, the Volt pack is almost 400lbs, but the amount of lithium carbonate in it is probably less than 40lbs. Different lithium chemistries use different amounts of lithium carbonate, LiFePO4 uses even less than the LiPoly Volt pack. Instead of trying to tell me how little I know you should probably try educating yourself about the lithium batteries you don't think we can build.
JRP3 7 months ago
@JRP3 you google that or something. i said lithium. that doesn't include the wires, casing, mounting, shell for protection because if it explodes, everything is incinerated nearby. 400 lbs for the whole pack... and btw, lipoly are refered to as lipo cells, ie lipo packs. bias, ya, since you spouted off crazy numbers that are 10 times the actual numbers by the entire planet of who actual knows. education, god i hope i know, cause i have several large lipo's about 8' away. yet alone investments
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 That's funny, because LG Chem, the company that actually makes the Volt cells, calls them Lithium Polymer, not lipo. In any case, most of the Volt pack weight is the cells, but it's not mostly lithium. As I said, lithium carbonate is probably less than 40lbs.
JRP3 7 months ago
@JRP3 and there you go again... Lithium Polymer = "Li" "Po" = LIPO... LIPO PACK.. about 6,510,000 results (0.27 seconds) here in the u.s. google it like you have been doing since your pulling hairs there already... hey, ever exposed lithium to the atmosphere, aka opened on up? do it, watch what happens.. better yet, crack one and watch what happens... poof, everything around it is toasted... now, scale that up to 200 lbs... car and people, roasted.. anywho ltr arm chair...
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 Fail, it tarnishes on contact with air. Only rubidium & higher elements (alkali metals only) ignite spontaneously on contact with air. if misused even only for a few seconds it will ignite then....such as: overcharging, overheating, diliberate contact with acids or water & many other things.
Saulscmit 6 months ago
@Saulscmit fail huh. ever seen a lip pack ignite? the rc world heavily uses lipo packs (lithium polymer batteries). there is almost no one that is not familar to what happens when a lipo pack gets hot and ignites. this this X 200 and you have batteries in cars. enjoy the incineration video: EseOhC8n7ro that video, the guy's pack got hot, so he removed it fast and isolated it from his equipment. as per the status quo, POOF.
b101aa2 6 months ago
@b101aa2 That doesn't warrant an arguement. You simply changed the topic.
An electrical charge gives lithium enough energy to ignite. Due to resistance it eats up. Lithium's opperating temperature is 50 Degrees C, or 110 Degrees F.
Saulscmit 6 months ago
@Saulscmit huh? you are commenting me. i didn't change the subject. you did. i am not trolling you. you are trolling me. and as a side note, lipo's have an operating temp, sure. but you put a heavy load on a lipo, like going up hill, it becomes way way hotter then flat and steady. simple physics of current draw, ie amperage. your 110F can become 250F in about 10 seconds. which note, 110F max you say? they've blow up just sitting in a parking lot during the summer. cheers.
b101aa2 6 months ago
@JRP3 look at: usgs . gov/minerals/pubs/mcs/2010/mcs2010.pdf not exactly 200 million tons. no idea where you got that from, because the entire planet's scientific and engineering communities have never said 200 million. it is 23... math...
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 OK, you need to understand the difference between lithium and lithium carbonate. I got my numbers from Chemetall's website. I think they might know something about lithium reserves.
JRP3 7 months ago
@JRP3 dang, you don't stop. just go away. you off base with everything you say. you obviously don't know anything about this subject, because lithium carbonate is a process used to extract the lithium mineral itself. the carbonate process of it is CARBON... ie, that pesky global warming thing that is proven bogus. also, i actually do know a little something about it. if you need to google everything for a bit of info you know nothing about, just bug off. it's like arm chair piloting...
b101aa2 7 months ago
@b101aa2 You're right, I should go away, because you have no idea what you are talking about and I'm wasting my time. Keep waiting to run out of lithium and keep waiting for EV battery packs to explode. Neither one is going to happen, sorry for the dose of reality, please return to your previously scheduled delusions.
JRP3 7 months ago
@b101aa2 also, know much on chemistry? the average auto using lithium batteries, the manufacturing is equivalent to 100,000 miles driven already with gasoline based carbon output. why, because "lithium carbonate production" it takes an immense amount of carbon based processing to create lithium batteries. actually. that is how lithium is processed. and, it can be used only once. once the minerals in lithium are used up, that's it. no recycling. just toxic waste. cheers
b101aa2 7 months ago
its confusing because they make it seem like the battery holds a charge and can be tested at a point where there is only lithium in the battery. pure lithium has a charge but you need to wind it with something of the opposite charge to get electricity out, I thought
robertomasymas 8 months ago
The name of this video should be named. . . . " How big ass mega rich companies make lithium polymer batteries that the average person could NEVER do". Duh
BrutusJones 9 months ago
Something about this is just not right. It is my understanding that lithium metal does not exist in nature because it is highly reactive. The ingot shown, were it made of lithium metal, would explode.
eclecticstudio 9 months ago
buehler.....
peptopro17 10 months ago
The microscopic structure of today's batteries is primitive, means: still very chaotic. In order to make way more efficient batteries that also grow smaller it's necessary to manipulate on way lower scales than it's done today.
everythingisandflows 10 months ago
i thought lithium oxidizes within a few seconds.......?
how come it looked all silvery through the whole video?
crazzydude14 11 months ago
@crazzydude14 I was thinking that too. I thought it would turn black in seconds
OK2BCK 10 months ago
@RandomConcepts You got good point, However how do we recycling the lithium battery? Cause I really want to know before Im purchase hybrid cars..
dansu92833 11 months ago
Shyt? :DD
thesancezzz 1 year ago
No one uses a Li metal positive electrode in commercial or vehicle cells, almost all the 18650 you find are graphite, MCMB or some other designer carbon, rarely you will find Si or tin alloy negative electrode.
The video also gives you no information about the positive electrode, which is misleading because it leads one to think that the single cell both electrodes are Li-metal instead of LiCoO2/Li-metal.
cooldude8332 1 year ago
@cooldude8332 Avestor used vanadium oxide cathodes. And now Bollore guys seem to use this technology.
yyarross 9 months ago
THIS VIDEO IS STUPID, IT DOESN'T SHOW US HOW TO DIY
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TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
Sorry for my disinformtion but why the litthium does not reat with the air while it is being laminated as shown in the video ? I did not see the workers wearing gas masks so I suppose the atmosfere still has the air oxygen on it.
rpetresco 1 year ago
Most of it is found in Afghanistan....... think about it.........
myozone 1 year ago
Cool.
DottyDotDitto 1 year ago
Now i can make my own batteries
thesancezzz 1 year ago 2
@thesancezzz Yup, me too,
now all I need is that full body suit......
FineCritic 1 year ago
Lithium can also be extracted from seawater. Some physicist said they estimate a supply that would last over 300m years. I don't think it's that much, but it's still a significant amount.
Misterunnamed 1 year ago
its calendaring not some sort of extrusion...
lauris15151 1 year ago
Let those gas prices go up baby.....Force the world to go green.........Only 4 companies produce lithium currently.........4 companies cannot meet the demand of a world full of electric cars.........The next oil??? = Lithium (ion batteries)
40 exploration companies all penny stocks.
I would rather put my money there than in the tank.
Lithium is the lightest solid on the earth unless you want to drive a car filled with explosive natural gas or nuclear power uranium.
doggfish55 1 year ago
i guess im going to do mine at home xD
espido 1 year ago
tbh making the battery was simpler then i thought :O
uut0 1 year ago
I notice something. Lithuim is quite explosive, how did they handle the lithuim so carefully without exploding?
somainglove 1 year ago
The average pollution carbon footprint created by 12 kilowatt hours of electricty is nearly equal to that of one gallon of gasoline. Estimates done by Busettii Electric Bikes show that 6 kilowatt hours electricty is needed to charge a huge 72 volt 50 ah lithium battery. This bike will go 75 miles on each charge so that means its about one fourth of the carbon footprint of an equivolent gas powered motorcycle. A 75% cut in carbon and pollution out put sounds good to me ! Dr. Faber
lovenewtech 1 year ago
cool, now all i need is 40,000 lb press. and a factory, and some of those guys in labgear! ok so theres no way we mere mortals could ever make a lithium ion battery and you thought youd just rub it in didnt you! dont deny it! we're onto your high brow mocking! i'm gonna shuv this copper rod into this lemon and imagine its you! ;) just kidding, OR AM I ?
BR1GHT0NCH3MTRA1LZ2 1 year ago
@BR1GHT0NCH3MTRA1LZ2 nothing is impossible, imagine if we could unite and open a factory of our own and tell these major corporations to fuck off. just have to believe.
therotaryrocket 1 year ago
where can i purchase a lithium battery?
cardcollectordbw 1 year ago
@cardcollectordbw You can purchase many kinds of lithuim battries - Lithuim Ion, Li-Poly(Li-Ion), Lithuim Oxide(non-rechargable). You can purchase the battries at any electronics shop, while Lithuim Oxide can be purchased from Energizer and some other companies.
somainglove 1 year ago
The music is Kewl.
CTR831 1 year ago
I like it. just saw Running On Lithium and that I like much more.
filmrancher 1 year ago
"the oil companies are trying..." Man how ignorant are you? Who do think owns / and is pouring billions over and over in the R&D of Li- based cells.
The latest cell that seems to be the answer for large apps like cars are a lith-manganese based compound. They have a better capacity to size ratio when compared to Li-po's but are quite heavy in comparison. So, they won't for example replace the Li-ion's in phones or whatever but are fine for cars ibid.
As for oil / nat gas at the rate and gro
jamesdstudent 1 year ago
oh yeah assholes how to make it!!! i will go and make that at home right now!!!!
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slanderousndgs 1 year ago
16 people watched this thinking they could build it in their garage.
flatblackstrat 1 year ago
What is the name of the manufacture or company ?
merlinspower 1 year ago
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yyarross 1 year ago
@merlinspower I guess it was Avestor, now gone out of business.
LMP development is continued by Bollore and now there's a german entity that has run demo Audi A2 on their own LMPs.
yyarross 1 year ago
why ar you uploading clips for how its made
football72linemen 1 year ago
Why is that lithium not tarnishing? if you pull lithium out of an Energizer, it'll start to tarnish immediately...
iHeartElectricalEng 1 year ago
no way that's pure lithium it would tarnish
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
don't sneeze on the lithium lol
tim0090 1 year ago
Drop that 4-kilo ingot in water!
flarn2006 1 year ago
i have a gel battery
brandon14872 1 year ago
what are the clear plastic tubes for at 4:26
brandon14872 1 year ago
LITHIUM SAYS NEIL YOUNG.... is the same as oil..... lithium will run out too............
trading one finite source for another is just dumb.
mysticradio 1 year ago
@mysticradio - Except that when the battery in your electric car dies, you can recycle it and get all of the lithium back. Plus, lithium is a very abundant metal, and the batteries don't take much. 5kg worth in over 200 battery packs (from the video).
Cyber0Bill 1 year ago
@mysticradio yeah but lithium can be recycled over and over and over and over again.
Nichen 1 year ago
@mysticradio same as helium
tim0090 1 year ago
What stop's the lithium "foil" from oxidizing?
TuneMaestro 1 year ago
@TuneMaestro I was wondering that too.
flarn2006 1 year ago
Are there lithium batteries on the market that can replace regular ones in cars? It would seem that they would be popular with people who want to mod their car and reduce the cars weight up in the for for better handling. It seems that it would be an easy mod and i think people would pay $ for it since there is a market for carbon fiber hoods and lightweight rims.
catfish4281 1 year ago
Is that Bre Pettis?
vanepico 1 year ago
humhey anyone want to play with me
KrystinFallslod 1 year ago
Must have been incredibly dry in that clean room.
oOoxelAoOo 1 year ago
I must be like -100% humidity in that room! I want that dehumidifier.
Minifig666 1 year ago
Through that 5 kilo pice of lithium in the water :D
Ham549 1 year ago
@Ham549 Even better, acid!
Minifig666 1 year ago
Well, too bad, that all of this has to be broken down and recycled after use. All in all fairly expensive.
Plus you'd have to exchange a 100kg battery every so many kilometers. Not saying its impossible, its just not ideal.
Spastb00n 1 year ago
And what is to keep these cars from being stolen for the lithium to make meth?
supressorgrid 1 year ago
@supressorgrid LOL.
shadowlord1990 1 year ago
well or just to sell the lithium battery pack, they are worth thousands and even ten thousand dollars, even on the black market
moonsmilelucide 1 year ago
still lipo ftw, just got a battery, 3.7v, at 2000mah, weighs the same as a duracell rechargeable 1,2v 2000mah battery...
96bikerider96 1 year ago
Being hand built must greatly add to the cost! the answer is obvious! cheap foreign labour! get then to build then in somewhere like China.
katakisLives 2 years ago 2
Lithium has to be in my top 10 favorite elements.
It's the shit!!
FaaarLeft 2 years ago 28
its also the reason were losing mountain sides
LLCoolPass 2 years ago
@FaaarLeft ...smh
H2OMFG 7 months ago
Did this guy really say spinned at 0:50? Wow.... Jesus Christ...
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JamesWoods234 2 years ago
The problem here is in the process. This is entirely too much "hand fabrication". The process will have to be automated completely to make it economical viable for large scale production. Right now, only Valence has overcome the issues of safety, repeated deep charge and discharge, and mass production...but the cost of the battery is still high.
gurlsingerfan 2 years ago 4
@gurlsingerfan
lithium is expensive
MrGoogfan 2 years ago
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datzfast 2 years ago
Great vid! This is a cool process I only hope it is safe if these batteries open up when in an accident and the fire department spray water to put it out. Sorry but this technology will never make it. Nickle metal hydride is still the safe way to go. Notice no toxicity with nickle. Too bad we lost the patent rights(Dr's Pons and Fleischman). Can this process be used to make NMIH batteries? Nano technology is still years off. Too costly to run, look at Altair Nano, with very little to show.
watergroovin 2 years ago
Nanotech battery science if for faster charging times and nothing else.
datzfast 2 years ago
I think nanotech is being under-rated here. The big advance with nano beside fast charging time is being able to re-engineer battery components (anode and cathode) to withstand many more deep charge and discharge cycles) If successful, this could alter the economics of electric vehicles greatly.
gurlsingerfan 2 years ago
Nickle metal halide is dead.
Danfive0 2 years ago
Nickle metal hydride. Halide are light bulbs
EZCyclone 2 years ago
dude cool vid but i dont think that anybody could buy all that stufff lol
naimop 2 years ago
actually used the word centigrade...
6rammstein 2 years ago
Hell with the Hybrid Vehicle. I
HemiHead66 2 years ago
shit i would love to put that whole ingot in a bath tub full of water (BOOM!!) : )
spotlightman1234 2 years ago
no use a pool!! :)
721069 2 years ago
Notice these guys are wearing bunny suits because of the hazardous
(read poisonous) lithium films. Ah, well, its no worse than lead poisoning which results in nerve disorders, learning disabilities, birth defects and a host of other problems.
dwetick 2 years ago
Lithium isn't poisonous, its corrosive. If it touches water, it burns. You really don't know your alkaline metals
rustaayy 2 years ago 2
It's a sad indictment on the American educational system that many of today's youth do not know their alkaline metals. Studies show that the average Finnish 9th grader knows more than the average American high school graduate about the properties of rubidium. Just as America was prodded by Sputnik to focus on its math and science education, alkaline retardation should provide an impetus for more rigorous chemical curriculum in America's highschools.
drmodestoesq 2 years ago
true i have these batteries all over my house in eyeything that has a battery except flashlights
datzfast 2 years ago
What is the best price for a battery pack like that?
Spxder 2 years ago
Nanotechnology is the future! Google "Quasicrystals" and "Metamaterials" for a hint on where the future of battery and solar cell technology is going...
AlienScientist 2 years ago 4
What about the big paycheque?
Would that change your mind.
pkrska 2 years ago
these batteries are the best, i have in a mp3 player and they last forever before needing a recharge
Zanzo7 2 years ago
Thanks. I know, but in fact I shouldn't have written Li-Pol or Li-Ion, but Li-Metal-Pol.
memeome 2 years ago
their is 100 trillion dollars of oil in the ground if any company tries to make electric cars big oil will have them killed.
if any politician tries to make it happen they will be killed. its the world we live in baby
datzfast 2 years ago
I understand what your saying, but you have to understand that some countries do not even produce 1 drop of their own oil, and have no oil company interests, this is why some countries already have removed themselves from the OPEC tit. its not "hitmen" that slow electrics advancement, its the disinformation, in the case of electric or anything green, the Media is used to scare or dis inform the public. these big industries are protecting their monopoly and profits, not with the gun though.
gilgamesh1962 2 years ago
日本企業は、特にリチウム電池の企業秘密は、特に守れ、韓国とド イツボッシュが組んだ、盗用国民に気をつけろ。
テコンドウ＝空手の盗用
MrTraxxasboy 2 years ago
Which company is shown in the video clip?
Joenav1 2 years ago
Ok, so where can I buy these??
Soldier957 2 years ago
日本企業は、特にリチウム電池の企業秘密は、特に守れ、韓国とドイツボッシュが組んだ、盗用国民に気をつけろ。
テコンドウ＝空手の盗用
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yf19194 2 years ago
yey now i can make it at home
cardoolen 2 years ago
do i smell 95% of sarcasm and 5% of bad jokes?
dzedajusr 2 years ago
thanks for the info
Constantine7777 2 years ago
Last time I checked, gasoline is also flammable
and can explode as well.
samiam95124 2 years ago 4
Li-Po is worse for explosions. lol... :D
GeeksRus95 2 years ago
Under which circumstances does LiPo blow up?
Archimedes555453525 2 years ago
When they're overcharged badly they'll start slowly expanding then then split open in a firery explosion (more fire than boom). :)
GeeksRus95 2 years ago
That's not good, is it? Isn't there a kind of way to prevent the batteries becoming overcharged? Or a fire-extinguisher unit?
But beside those inconveniences, I think an electric car is worth it, considering the low price of recharging and the better acceleration and all that. The range is also becoming much better then it used to be, right?
Archimedes555453525 2 years ago
Yeah, I Guess So, I mean there not all bad if you look after them
GeeksRus95 2 years ago
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Hell i hate Lipo (litium Polymer)
I wouldn't want to blow up the hell out of my car.
Lithum polymer = Large chance of HUGE explotion
Lithum ion = SAFE!!!!
Ticomfreak 2 years ago
lipos can be safe aswell. as long as you take care of them and charge/discharge them properley.
nut3344 2 years ago 9
you = STUPID!!!
lipos and lions are the same as far as safety you idiot, when run within specs.
Zeropointbug 2 years ago
@Zeropointbug I was under the impression that Li-Po were less prone to thermal runaway than Li-Ion.
gophergun 1 year ago
Wow. You pretty much took this straight from "How It's Made" and redubbed the lines.
spokehedz 2 years ago
there's only very few sources of lithium and what if the oil companies that made billions windfall profits bought all of them
now were screwed....AGAIN !
emforty2 2 years ago 2
so cheap but sell for a million!!!! why?
721069 2 years ago
is that ross from Friends narrating??
Metatron27 2 years ago
from what i can tell
al they did is have rolls of lithium
i wonder if you opened a lithion polomer batter
took out the sheets
and put them in water, would they fizz?
as lthiom is a alkili metal
bestSVMS 2 years ago
try it, make a video & post it :)
VodkaPowered 2 years ago
Very dangerous, even dead batteries. I cut the battery open, shorted something; & with first cut it was smoking, hot, smelly, & could have exploded. Eye & hand protection, removed the rolled sheets of copper and lithium, seperated them & the heat & smoking immediately stopped. This was a motorola cell phone battery, single cell of 3.6 volts. The two metals were originally insulated with white plastic bag looking stuff. Touch the two metal sheets and it immediately heats up.
saintveil 2 years ago
so copper and lithiom react alot
but i meant
be careful
and take out the sheets of lithium, and put in water
bestSVMS 2 years ago
No, dead short, was smoking. What confuses me is that there is this black sprayed coating on both metal strips which research says may be some kind of nano-particle compressed metallic compound/paste, used to increase Li electrodes. Copper & lithium is 3 volts potential, & so the paste may account for the increase to 3.6. I'll send you the link.
No sizzle or temperature change in water, but lithium may be some sort of lead/lithium mixture, & that black coating is on both metal strips.
cuprocarbon 2 years ago
so the lithium isnt really pure?
because if you take pretty pure lithium, put in watter, it fizzes( alkili)
so this video, they dont really show all of it, proably because its secret
bestSVMS 2 years ago
Well, lithium & lithium ion are different & the technology is tightly held secret. Mine is lithium ion, no sizzle cause it appears to be copper and zinc electrodes laminated with lithium and then layered or wrapped. It's like two half cells or multi-cells or something. NASA claims or bluffs that the lithium laminate electrolyte boosts the charge rate, but the copper and zinc electrodes could be some kind of lithium alloys, with electrolyte carbon or graphite, or something. Nobody knows.
cuprocarbon 2 years ago
A shorted cell produces HF xray diffraction according to wiki. Nuked.
cuprocarbon 2 years ago
a shorted batter would nuke me?
i doubt its alot thou
or terrists would have used long ago
bestSVMS 2 years ago
Wikipedia, under the safety secion, Emits xrays which is High Frequency Radiation which is dangerous. Seems that they would be required to put this on the label.
cuprocarbon 2 years ago
Nice video.
ZeroToleranceMfg 2 years ago
And how do u charge it??
lol
aditya466 2 years ago
They use these batteries in most RC planes/cars/helicopters. They last a long time, don't take long to charge, and come in tons of different "settings."
girrocks12345 2 years ago
What's the life expectancy?
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WabZ2k9 2 years ago
Interesting thanx. (I'm looking for new batteries for my Ford Think Neighor...)
pdxjules 3 years ago
cool, but not something you could whip together in the garage though!
TheSmallTroll 3 years ago
Li-ion batteries intrest me.. they are ideal for my wearable computer build... i need densely packed power and a lot of it :3
ZerqTM 3 years ago