Hilary Putnam on the Philosophy of Science: Section 5

[bribribri56]

really informative and interesting

[benevolencedaft]

yeah nah it's all bloody...yeah.

[TheDavid2222]

I never tried very hard in my math and science courses. I think this is because they discouraged creative thinking and were as authoritative as humanly possible. I loved my high school history, english, and music classes because they allowed me some time for contemplation. In math and science I did nothing but regurgitate facts. I feel that I could have been a great student in these areas, but I was ill suited for the setting that I had to learn under. I'm sure some of you feel the same.

[tecteh1]

This is not a video for creationists. Its a logical and philosophical conversation. Enjoy it or. get out out of here and go on with your praying.

[iiNDiTC]

@tecteh1 You would be surprised to now that Mr.Punham began to study Jewish ritual and Hebrew, and became more Jewishly interested, identified, and active. In 1994, Hilary Putnam celebrated a belated Bar Mitzvah service. His wife had a Bat Mitzvah service four years later.

[strangetranceoffaith]

Very very nice, When they were talking about the question of mathematics being inherent or a construct it struck me that we tend to impose and look for uniformity in nature. We mow our lawns and make them tidy and yet without our imposition the uniformity is ephemeral and at the finer measurement level it is ephemeral as well. We get counter intuitive results at the quantum level. 1 = 2 superstates? Maybe the constant is a variable?

[TheShadowofsparta]

wonderful as usual.flame0430,you should be proud.

[fiesta181]

Thank you very much to you too, flame0430!

[pensieroveloce]

he introduce the theory of complexity and Mandelbrot revolution from a very nice perspective! and mathematics, with Tuning and Godel support us on understanding we are incomplete, as the model we are able to draw...

;p

[AcePilot101]

Is there an objective truth for all things?

The question itself seems absurd (except for those with lazy minds).

Perhaps truth is ultimately conscious of itself...on some cosmic scale beyond our mortal comprehension.

[AcePilot101]

I believe the philosophy of science is really the study of nature (the old term was natural philosophy) and that mathematics is the language of science. There are four elemental forces in the universe: electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and gravity. When we consider solid, liquid and gaseous forms of matter we can also add the phenomena of plasma (ionized gases) which enables the flow of electricity across wide regions of space.

[khusroify]

Very enjoyable videos. Truth has to be consistent, but is converse always true? Can lie be made entirely consistent? I doubt.

[jimbopumbapigsticks]

Ah, that was a sweet video. Thank's so much for putting it up!

[nazra7]

He said thats whats consistence has truth behind it. Not all the time infact there are several ways to make a complete lie be consistent.

[salaki]

does anyone know if the 'Spacetime physics' book Putnam is talking about is the one written by Taylor and Wheeler?

[gr0mithtimon]

@salaki

He probably is, "Taylor & Wheeler" is a pretty famous introductory text on special relativity.

[sadmaniskillingyou]

putnam looks like the mad hatter

[zaynzaynzayn]

magee can be such a bore. putnam, on the other hand, is frank and relaxed.

[bucles2000]

You can count things that you can see and that became "natural numbres". You can see also things to speed up and that become "aceleration". Number and aceleration were coming observing the external world but both concepts are not in the external wrold.

[fede2]

it's interesting how soft putnam is on marxism. not because he shouldn't but because it's fact that putnam is or was at some point (probably the time of this interview) a communist.

[sacredsoma]

@fede2 its amazing in Magee's book of these talks "talking philosophy" Putnam's comment on Mao is totally erased ...just the one on Lenin is included

[fede2]

@sacredsoma weird. what do you make of it?

[jsperl90]

FANTASTIC!

[Ehuatl]

Simply great!

Keep up with things like that. I wish more scientists would actually take a deeper look into what's going on in recent philosophy of science, there is so much zo learn.

[RoGhrianadh]

I enjoyed these videos immensely. Thanks much for the opportunity to see them. I love philosophy, but the only college course I took on it was a historical introduction to the philosophy of science, so I had to keep referencing my old books, and I loved it :D Subscribing to your channel so I remember to come back to see what more there is to see.

[Dhorpatan]

Continued @GuyTM

The salient point is, sound-waves CAN be detected by empirical means, because they exist. America CAN be detected by empirical means, because the continent exists. Something that cannot be detected by empirical means, is the same thing as saying it doesn't exist. Why? Because "NOTHING", can't be detected by empirical means! Why? Because "NOTHING", DOESN'T EXIST!!

[GuyTM]

Well I can't deny that 'nothing doesn't exist'; that' a truism for sure. But what can be measured empirically, and the implications drawn from that data, is constantly changing. So science cannot yet give us a definitive description of what we are made of. So, there is incongruity between individual experience and what science tells us about it. Perhaps as science advances, this incongruity will fade.

[AnnaAgainstAtheists]

GuyTM

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According to Sir Roger Penrose (Cyclic Universe Model video),

It's no longer meaningless to ask what came before the Big Bang.

There's no such state as one of pure nothingness (which means there always was something).

The geometry of the Big Bang is extraordinarily organised.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics leads back logically to some extraordinarily organised initial state.

Cosmology is getting curiouser and curiouser.........

[xblindx]

it is definitely apparent there is an over-reliance on "expert" opinion

[Dhorpatan]

@GuyTM

"you are sort of right, materialism ultimately amounts to complete self-denial,"

^^^Utter nonsense.

[GuyTM]

maybe you could get round that problem by viewing the brain as a sense-organ in its own right; one that senses reason/logic (at least some of the time!)

[CHILDRENofMEN666]

great videos.life is so complex.i can see why the pro is all gray.but only C.lol.thx agian for vid

[AnnaAgainstAtheists]

Excellent and compelling viewing, and I just had to watch all 5 episodes, so 5 stars and favourited, and this is undoubtedly YT at its very best. Both Magee and Putnam are terrific at explaining complicated ideas.

[Dhorpatan]

Anna, just admit you can't

render a single referral to reality,

of a consciousness that's immaterial.

All you can do is misunderstand

the question, and/or, make excuses!!!

Once you admit it, we can confirm that your God belief is simply a fairy tale, due to

it having no basis in reality!

[AnnaAgainstAtheists]

Dhorpatan

Once you admit it, we can confirm that your God belief is simply a fairy tale, due to

it having no basis in reality!

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I think you've got a narrow materialist view of reality which leads you to some bad conclusions so should begin by looking up the wider and more comprehensive meanings of this word REALITY.

[Dhorpatan]

@AnnaAgainstAtheists

"so should begin by looking up the wider and more comprehensive meanings of this word REALITY."

^^^We already did. It said everything THAT

IS. In other words, everything that's

real, and exists. So the definition

failed to help you. Still waiting

Anna!

[AnnaAgainstAtheists]

Dhorpatan

everything that's real, and exists.

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Which means that material existence is PART of reality and NOT SYNONYMOUS with it, and which also means that you horrendously exclude from reality the whole rich inner world of your own mind, so try thinking about that assuming you don't exclude thinking and thoughts and maybe even your own self from your reality too of course which wouldn't surprise me one bit after reading some of the rubbish you've posted previously.

[BBSROrissa]

Anna: "material existence is PART of reality and NOT SYNONYMOUS with it, and which also means that you horrendously exclude from reality the whole rich inner world of your own mind"

Sorry, but you just keep blabbering seemingly esoteric gibberish!

;-P

[Dhorpatan]

@AnnaAgainstAtheists

"which wouldn't surprise me one bit after reading some of the rubbish you've posted previously"

^^^Anna, I know you're supposedly young, but are you able to respond to others in a consistent fashion, without resorting to childish Ad Hominem attacks?

Also, the mind is not an immaterial existent, and your God belief remains LOGICALLY falsified, until you render ONE referral to reality, of a consciousness that is immaterial.

[GuyTM]

you are sort of right, materialism ultimately amounts to complete self-denial, basically the exact opposite of solipsism, and just as counter-intuitive. If everything is real then the individual, subjective experience is real as well as the shared, objective experiences upon which materialism is based.

[GuyTM]

I'm an atheist, but I still have to point out to you that any substance which does not fit into our understanding of 'material' would not be something that you would be able to detect by empirical means. Put it this way, your not going to find a 'soul' by looking at a 'brain', because your experience of a 'brain' is limited to what your sense-organs are designed to detect. So you are asking AAA to do something which is logically impossible.

[Dhorpatan]

@GuyTM

"I'm an atheist, but I still have to point out to you that any substance which does not fit into our understanding of 'material' would not be something that you would be able to detect by empirical means."

^^^This is the same thing as saying it

doesn't exist.

All you're doing, is wallowing in existential mumbo-jumbo. You know what is not detected by empirical means....NOTHING!

That's right, nothing, non-existence, is undetected, by empirical means. Cause it doesn't exist.

[GuyTM]

so you are saying that before America was detected by empirical means, it didn't exist? that before sound-waves were detected by empirical means, they didn't exist? You think that science can now measure EVERYTHING which exists, and everything which it can't measure, doesn't exist? Implying that we actually CREATE stuff as we discover it? Now THAT'S 'mumbo-jumbo'!

[helenwhohelenwho]

@GuyTM Are you refuting Professor Putnam's ideas in this program?

[NosajThong]

@GuyTM swap your conception of "creation" for the word DEFINE. a bit like how one post can create mumbo-jumbo, and another can define it.

[simonforman01]

Thank you, thank you, for making the great Magee series available.

[eltraficantedenubes]

there are philosophy of phylosophy?

[dieutombe]

Timothy Williamson has a great book "The Philosophy of Philosophy"

[yukaigrrl921]

i just discovered 5 more reasons to love youtube. excellent series.

[riversonthemoon]

Where do you get this wonderful stuff?

[socionomic]

Thanks for the post! I wish programs like this one were available on TV.

[Imagist]

Good one!

[akkabowdenkerby]

Subseaqeut The 17th rating *****

All

~<3

[akkabowdenkerby]

4:30 was old..

Odd and Hairy are lost

in Baha'bee lite!

[Zadokor]

excellent

[siddhaam]

great stuff!

[ContraWagner]

Putnam is great!