@hotstimuli Yes, you do. You just don't like the answer. The reality is that whites are a small percentage of people who are granted permanent residency status in this country each year. In fact, it's been that way for decades. I have more news for you, too. The large majority of people who annually become naturalized citizens in the U.S. are non-caucasians. That's not a new development, either.
And you're right. Everyone cannot come here legally. That's true in every country, not just the U.S.
Geaux America is not a house or a business and illegal immigrants aren't hurting anyone or violating anyone like rapist murderers child sex predators.
@hotstimuli Illegal aliens aren't hurting anyone?? Your serious?? They are infesting our country, saying they want to take over. They are taking jobs away from citizens, which is against the law for them to hold jobs here! The expect everything handed to them for free......jobs, healthcare, schooling, money..... Come on now....wake up man!!
@tinaw1969 Bullshit! the Old fart says they "came to our land"
It is NOT his land. White people came and STOLE the land by MURDER & Genocide. they seem to forget that little fact and the targets of their racism are actually NATIVE Americans who are NATURAL to this LAND and CONTINENT. the whites belong in Filthy disease-infested EUROPE. Get the Fuck out!!! that goes for you too tinaw1969.
@americansanscullotes Globalisation is a revolution and you cannot start nor stop revolutions, Napoleon said that. In that case you are the ones who are destroying the world based on lies. Ain't you ashamed that your army is murdering people in the middle east based on WMD lies? You just want to conquer but don't want to be conqueres you smelly, idiotic Ameridiot.-
@gnossticc One, you dont know me. Two, you really don't know me so keep your ignorant biased self centered remarks to your self. Do you actually think all Americans fit inside one stereo-type? You have a lot to learn, keep educating your self and maybe you will see the lies. Also you say "you" like it's me actually out there conquering nations like Genghis Khan or Constantine with the HRE. I've never been to combat and I don't stink.
@americansanscullotes Again, you don't accept nor reject globalisation, it is something that will happen no matter how we dislike it. I for example hate american english and manners beign spread around the world. I do not hate america, let me make myself clear but everything has become so boring, so predictable.
@Revengeancer It meant 'wipe your shoes on the doormat and come in through the front door, not through the doggy door or a window'. Of course it also meant 'be prepared to be repatriated to your home country if you have any highly communicable diseases', but that's another story.
@Revengeancer Not to just anybody! The story at Ellis Island was a lot different from the plaque on the Statue. Not that I approve of racial quotas, but I do not think we can expect anyone belonging to the dominant ethnic group (be it native or of foreign heritage) of a given country to voluntarily stand by as that country's ethnic balance shifts against his favor.
@eier So you're saying the Native Americans should reclaim the U.S.? The plague on the Statue? Big eye-roller there.
Jokes aside, you just said that white people should be offended by the simple fact that non-whites are entering "their" nation. Oh no, we're not gonna be the majority anymore. Sweet, that's not racist at all . . . The problem is you think a racial ethnicity has anything to do with your favor; total intolerance. Fucking racist.
@Revengeancer 1) Native Americans aren't the dominant ethnic group, and I think you meant 'plaque', not "plague" (if not, that's one hell of a FreudSlip). If they were, yes, they should try to reclaim it by force.
I never mentioned White People, although your assumption I implied it is understandable. Let me clarify: White People are the dominant ethnoracial group in this country; Mongolians are the dominant ethnic group in Mongolia. The former group is of foreign heritage (Europe), ...
@Revengeancer Never said it, never implied it. America isn't under attack from Mexico; it just needs to improve relations with that country so its people don't need to try to get here illegally. Libtards--always making specious claims about opponents. I used to be one, until I woke up and smelled reality.
@Revengeancer ...while the latter is native. An ethnic shift resulting in the diminution of either's proportion of the gross population in their respective countries is sure to upset either group and motivate them to maintain their balance of power. Being a minority in one's own country absolutely has to do with one's favor.
@eier You're bending over backwards to sound smart, and you're shitting outta your mouth. Hatred smells the same, regardless of its wrapper. By "one's own country," you're saying the white person's country, the country the whites stole? Please, for the love of God, stop talking.
@Revengeancer First, you've refuted nothing I said, so I'll re-state my point: It doesn't matter if a country's dominant ethnic group is foreign born or native--your average member of that group wouldn't like to see his country (that's right--it's his 'cause he was born there) start to change (be it from immigration etc) in ways that reduce his group's influence and portion of the total population. It could be Mongolians in Mongolia, the French in France, or Whitey himself here in USA...
@Revengeancer ...I myself don't really care all that much; I'm just trying to reveal the mindset of people who do. Try to stop screaming racism; it's reminding me of the boy who cried wolf. Blatant racism is rare in this country as it is; I dare say it's even worse in Mexico (Mestizos hate on Indians, White Mexicans hate on everybody). As Immortal Technique said: "...you can click on Univision--I've never seen so much racism in all of my life--every program and newscast, all of em white"
@eier You're throwing quotations around those phrases like I said 'em. You're either retarded or involved in politics. I feel like I'm making fun of a retarded person; gross.
@Revengeancer I was just playfully responding to your supposition I was mad. Angry mad or crazy mad? Get it? Involved in politics? Me? Ha ha ha! I'm just a fly in your philosophical ointment. You think I'm dirtying the ointment, but the ointment is already tainted with naivete and intellectual innocence. And please, stop throwing around the word 'retard'. I have cousin with down syndrome, and I don't appreciate that word being thrown around in place of 'stupid'. Seriously.
@eier Clearly his retardedness is reaching across the branches and making you into a pseudo-intellectual racist douchebag, or maybe stupidity's saturated your gene pool?
@Revengeancer Tisk tisk, Revengeancer. Name calling doesn't help your argument...or make you feel better, at least not in the long run. I am disappoint ಠ_ಠ in your language. So, am I crazy mad or angry mad? DO TELL!!!
@eier Does abusing ellipses make you feel any better? "Do tell?" That's something only a total douche would say. From where I'm standing, I'd say you're an honest blend of the two (crazy and angry) with a dash of self-loathing; short-man syndrome. "I am disappoint" in your logic, rofl.
@Revengeancer I am disappoint ಥ_ಥ in your continued name calling! Please, explain how I am self-loathing, as I am positively LOVING myself when you shower me with your kind words, my dear pet!
@eier Obvious troll is obvious. Classic misdirection won't work on me, Johnny White Devil.
"As I am" is another of those cheesy pseudo-intellectual lines that just make me cringe. It's like nails on a chalkboard, talking to a racist moron who can't smell his own shit. It's like calling a baboon retarded, yet he insists he can do calculus using his turd as a crayon.
@Revengeancer That's quite an imagination you've got there, Revengeancer. It's comforting to see how you so thoroughly explained how i am a self-loathing, retarded, racist White Devil without resorting to personal attacks, which I know someone of your esteem would NEVER do. However, I am disappoint ಠ~ಠ in your assertion that I of all people am a troll. Well I NEVER. You got some esplainin' to do!!
@eier Yep, I see ya falling back to the sarcastic shtick, but underneath it all, your default response is ugly. Then tomorrow, you'll wake up with the same embittered sense of paranoia, and I'll go to Chipotle.
@Revengeancer I like Chipotle too!! FINALLY, something we can agree on! Do you have to take Chipotle-away to rid yourself of all the hot air you've vented against me?
@Revengeancer THIS IS SO MUCH FUN!!!! Shirley Phelps, the ALL-TROLL! Oh, to be exalted like her is such an honor, it brings tears to my eyes! ALL PRAISE THE ALL-TROLL!!!
But seriously, I hate her too, man. A friend of mine in Wichita was gonna firebomb their church but chickened out. Pity that.
@eier Seriously, "ethnic balance shifts against [the white man's] favor?" You're not even addressing illegal immigration anymore; you're saying it's wrong for the U.S. to have more non-whites than whites.
@Revengeancer If gringos were crossing the border into Mexico illegally and rising in population faster than the native-born Mexicans, and the Mexicans protested this and tried to stop it, would they be racist? Hell no! and that's the same situation here. Respect our laws, and we'll respect you. If we disrespect your laws, what right have we to object to your treatment of us? Golden Rule ring a bell?
@eier You're absolutely retarded. I could write a book on how stupid that response is. The tragedy is, you wouldn't read it. You see the world as this threatening battleground where skin makes uniforms. So focused on race; I honestly feel sorry for you. Based on your arguments, the priority of any nation is to establish a racial majority. That fact alone depresses me enough to not want to argue with you.
@Revengeancer Then why keep posting? You're obviously misinterpreting my words as racist. This is a common tactic, unfortunately, so I'm not too surprised. You really believe in all that naively utopian version of reality called multiculturalism. Face it: People have hated each other along ethnoreligious lines for millenia, and racism isn't going away no matter how hard you pray. I accept this as the truth, but it does not make me racist. I wish you could understand.
@eier When I see someone argue against multiculturalism, I don't understand how you can say you're not a racist douchebag. You're implying every ethnicity should be at arms with each other. You literally said "People have hated each other along ethnoreligious lines" then claimed you weren't racist by futhering that logic; that's ridiculously stupid.
@Revengeancer Just because I acknowledge the existence and persistence of hate doesn't mean I hate. Multiculturalism has not worked and cannot work because no one wants to relinquish their own culture, no matter if they live in a society where they form the majority or a minority. And I hope you're not confusing multiculturalism (bad) with multiracialism (good, for the most part in this country). Ethnicities shouldn't be at war with each other; each deserves its own space, and this is best...
@eier You're arguing in absolutes, and it shows how absolutely stupid you are. I honestly feel sorry for you. The world isn't as threatening as you're making it to be. All you wanna do is complain and pick fights. Too bad your opinions are worth shit.
@Revengeancer A while ago, you were acting like you wanted to stop our little chat. Yet here you are, several posts later telling me my opinions are shit. Have you always liked to play with shit, or is this some sort of nascent coprophilia you've developed? If you truly believe what I have to say is worthless, then why not stop responding? And this is hardly fighting, what with you calling me a retard and me admiring your valiant efforts, pitifully weak as they are.
@eier I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing myself think over your blatant stupidity. Paint yourself any color you like, you're still a turd. You're doing what every racist scum does--you're reinventing yourself as some pejorative intellectual avenger, when the root of your argument is for a racially segregated world. There's no coming back from that--it's absolute lunacy. You're throwing this calm Buddha exterior while what drives you is fear and hatred of anyone different than you.
@Revengeancer I guess you really like to play with shit, because according to you, I'm shit, and you keep responding in defiance of you're own stated desire to bow out of our little chat. Lunacy, my dear, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. You should very well expect the same 'shit' from me whenever I respond, because your unkind words aren't inviting me to join your side of the argument. You say I hate, yet I have up until this point used rational
@Revengeancer arguments to support my position. Cultures, which often go hand-in-hand with ethnicities, deserve space to grow and flourish, without encroachment by other, more powerful cultures. I am against my country's presence in the Muslim World as it stands, and I would not want to force my culture on anyone else's. However, my culture is not immune to encroachment either. No one's is. American culture is distinct and cannot be equated with Multiculturalism. When politicians say we...
@eier Again, you're showing how racist and narrow-minded you are by suggesting that in order to flourish, all ethnicities must be separated. The harder you try to sound intelligent, the deeper you dig that hole of yours.
@Revengeancer ...live in a multicultural society, they often really mean a multiracial society. I don't believe a truly multicultural society where all cultures are equal in power is possible because someone's culture will ALWAYS be on the top. Some cultures are bound to have more adherents and therefore more power. With that power, they will be able to steer a country's ship of state in ways that benefit their culture, perhaps to the detriment of less powerful cultures.
@eier Your argument reveals your true nature, tyrant. "Oh noes, we can't have some Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Muslims living under the same roof! One of us has to win!" Hey, caveman, drop that club.
@Revengeancer Sure, they can live under the same roof, but do you think all religious factions would be able to exert the same amount of influence, with no one faction gaining enough ground to become dominant? If you're naive enough to think we live in a society without an explicitly Judeo-Christian character, I see no point in trying to convince you further. You're too far gone already. I don't even believe in God, but I can see the culture for what it is. Islam is already competing with...
@Revengeancer ...secularism in Europe, and many Muslims living there admit they'd rather live under Islamic law than secular law. Factions are ALWAYS vying to get to the top, in any country, and though few are successful in disturbing the status quo, the fight NEVER ends. Muslims vs Christians in the Philippines; Buddhists vs Hindus in Sri Lanka; Jews vs Muslims in Palestine. Take off the blinders and see the world for what it really is. It's competition--for ideas, cultural attitudes, etc.
@eier Oh Jesus Christ, you're ridiculously stupid. "Waaah, the whole world is full of people hating each other, so let's vacate to opposite ends of the globe!" Grow up, dude. Guess what, though? There's not a thing you can do to stop multiculturalism; it's happening. Either get used to it, or swallow a plastic bag.
@Revengeancer I'm not advocating anything of the sort. I'm just saying peoples need their spaces, some space for every people. I know multiculturalism is happening and that I alone can do nothing to stop its advance. However, I also know its effects will include more ethnic tension and more violence in the years to come. People belonging to distinct ethnic groups who wish to remain separate will fight for that freedom or face cultural extinction. The suicide of the West is already underway.
@eier This whole thing started with you arguing against illegal immigration, which is fine on the exterior, except that you replaced that argument with saying that "each [ethnicity] deserves it's own [separate] space." You're like that crazy old man who stands at his window all day with binoculars 'cause some minority family moved-in down the street, repeating "it's all going to hell, Edith."
Respond to this video... I never replaced that argument, and I still stand by it. Our discussion veered off the topic of the video on which we are commenting when YOU first called me a "fucking racist" and insinuated that I thought of America as a "White country". I politely disagreed and gave you reasons to the contrary. Ignoring them, you continued to attempt to paint me as a racist, but without a primer (i.e. a well-reasoned, credible argument), your paint failed to stick...
@Revengeancer ...Maybe you should go back to the drawing board, which in your case might be that easel from 2nd grade with the fingerpaint smears you left from that "what I like about me" project on which you wrote you were 'shpeshul'. You are shpeshul, Revengeancer, you are!
@eier Talking to a friend, I just realized the problem here: You're literally too stupid to realize how stupid you are. Know what? Go for it, dude. Go for the whole "maybe one day, all races will scatter to opposite ends of the globe thing, then we'll attain our goals" shtick. I'm sure you can make a difference in the world through your internet posts.
@Revengeancer I don't have to make a difference, other than to show you that not everyone agrees with your world-view and that your opposition won't lie down and accept your version of the status quo. What makes me 'stupid', Revengeancer? Show me some kind of argument to the contrary of my opinions expressed in these comments without resorting to name-calling.
@eier Dude, after countless civil rights movements, I don't think I should have to justify why I don't think the color of my skin or religious preference provides a basis to hate or otherwise segregate myself from the rest of humanity. If you're too blind to see that, I feel sorry for you. The difference between you and me: I don't see the world as some racial/social battlefield. It's people like you that are the problem.
@Revengeancer Self-segregation is hardly hate, my dear. You've expressed these sentiments before, and even though you're being sincere this time, I must respond in kind. You are naive, and the world you think you know is but a very thin veneer over a cold, hard, unforgiving realm where no matter who you are, no matter what you believe, no matter where you live, someone, somewhere, right now, hates you for it. And there's nothing you can do about it.
@eier That's the stinkiest load of horseshit I've encountered in a long time. No, it's cold-hearted narrow-minded chumps like you who make this world into a battleground. Your response to hate is to hate it back--I don't care if someone hates me. If you can't see how caveman you're being, I can't help you.
@Revengeancer So...I hate hate, according to you? I didn't know 'caveman' was an adjective, let alone a single word. I am disappoint ಠ_ಠ in your grammar.
@eier You're too stupid to argue with. What, should I write an essay on how the word "caveman" can be an adjective? You're a sad little dude who uses YouTube to voice his (thankfully) ineffectual opinions. Clearly, you surf around looking for fights, but apart from some momentary frustration, you haven't really done much, except now I truly think you're a bottomless pit of ignorance and hate, and I'm glad I don't have to live like that.
@Revengeancer Sure. Write that essay. I'd like to see you think through something for a change. What makes you think I surf around looking for fights? I simply replied to a comment you made on this video, then you responded to my comment, and so on. What makes you think I do this with other people?
@eier I allowed myself to get roped into talking with you, but here's where I can best demonstrate the difference between you and I: I can walk away, despite whatever (expected) pejorative remarks you throw my way. Being hatefully negative might be fun for you, but it's obvious how miserable you must be.
@Revengeancer A-HA! An admission of wrongdoing on your part. I thought I'd never see the day (really evening). You can walk away, but to do so while playing the victim after having called me stupid, racist, retarded, ignorant, hateful, etc just leaves me...well...confused. What, pray tell, "pejorative remarks" did I throw your way?
@eier Yeah, I know--now you go all racist rabble-rabble on me with some snarky remark. At the end of the day, I go to bed with a genuine sense of peace and unity with the world. I love meeting new people with open perspectives and sharing information, whereas you're barricading your doors. I can't imagine that's a good way to live.
@Revengeancer ...done by granting autonomy to minority groups. Do you think living amongst intolerant Shi'as and Sunnis in Iraq is good for Kurds? What about ethnic Bosniaks living in Serbia? Chechnyans in Russia? Selling people the lie that they can keep their cultures completely intact when immigrating to a foreign country without the expectation of ethnic tension is immoral. The world's most socially stable countries tend to be monocultural ethnostates: Finland, Iceland, Japan, Korea.
@eier America is a multicultal nation, didn't you know that? If you don't like illegal immigration you need to fix your country not Mexico. Why are you wasting lives and money and resources in immoral wars based on lies? SHouldn't you be using it in education, cause american education is shit compared to European education or Japanese for example.
@gnossticc First, I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're not really a 44-year-old from Guatamala. Secondly, it's Mexico that needs fixing, MUCH more so than USA. Mexicans should try fixing Mexico instead of breaking into USA, even if they're doing it just to feed their families. American education is considered shit because too many American parents can't control their kids. Bringing in kids from Latin America whose parents don't want to learn English makes it even worse. And my point...
@eier You are lying, this debate about educational crisis in america has been around for decades, even before the illegals explosion. Try to inform yourself before you blame the scapegoats for your failures as a nation.
@gnossticc It's no more my fault than yours. I'm not failing to raise any kids, like most parents in my country. Parents are to blame, but flooding schools with undocumented children who aren't forced to learn English just makes the problem worse.
@eier If they don't want to learn english it's because they are stupid, that's not my fault, is it? Have you ever read about Teacher Jaime Escalante? Look for it in youtube, Jaime Escalante, who taught a bunch of third world monkeys Sir Isaac Newton's Calculus and they excelled beyond the wildes expectations! By the way, the Mayans invented amazing things and made perfect measurements of the orbit of Venus without computers and without Newton.
@gnossticc I never said their failure to learn English was your fault; I just said it's a bad thing, and you seem to agree. I've seen Stand and Deliver, and that wasn't about "third world monkeys"; it was about Mexican Americans. Why bring up the Mayans? Their achievements have nothing to do with today's immigration crisis.
@gnossticc ...about the most socially stable countries being monocultural ethnostates still stands. The countries with the highest math and sciences scores (Finland, Korea, Hong Kong, Japan) are all countries with a single dominant culture (i.e. they're NOT multicultural). As multiculturalism increases in Europe, rankings will fall and monocultural Asian countries will all fill the top slots. If multiculturalism were forced on Asian countries, it would produce the same effect.
@gnossticc And about the wars--I hate them as much as you do, maybe even more since I have to help pay for them whether I like it or not. Neoconservatives have taken over our foreign policy decision-making, and as a consequence we have created vastly more enemies than friends in the Middle East. We should stop giving in to Israel's every wish and focus instead on our own problems, like virtually every other country does. We need to end the drug war by legalizing and decriminalizing drugs.
@Revengeancer It's not that there's a priority to establish a racial/ethnic majority--racial/ethnic majorites already exist, and most people in these groups, whether they wish to admit it or not, would like to keep it that way. It's self interest. Human nature. That's all.
@Revengeancer The hole is a lie. Just like the cake. The truth hurts whenever you're wrong. The truth could hurt a genuine racist (which I'm told are rare nowadays) or it could hurt someone like you. The truth is that multiculturalism, unlike the melting pot approach, does more harm than good. The only reason more people haven't spoken out is they're afraid of being called racist. That fear doesn't make them racist; It makes all who would automatically call them racist racialist profiteers
@gnossticc AIDS? Who said anything about AIDS? I never mentioned it until now, but I'll address your statement. While the first case of AIDS to have been diagnosed as such may have been in America, HIV has its origins in Africa. That's where a mutation in SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) produced HIV, which spread to humans via the bushmeat trade. HIV left untreated leads to AIDS, thus AIDS was in Africa before it was in America. Please look these things up before telling me to shut up.
@TheAbeTate dude stfu. if you were in an incredibly poor country and had an opportunity to go to another country illegally to start a better life, you would probably take it. dumbass
@TheAbeTate dude stfu. if you were in an incredibly poor country and had an opportunity to go to another country illegally to start a better life, you would probably take it. dumbass
@TheAbeTate dude stfu. if you were in an incredibly poor country and had an opportunity to go to another country illegally to start a better life, you would probably take it.
U keep saying how much illegal immigrants cost us, but I will AGAIN direct your attention to the accepted view by economists: google: ECONOMIST"S OPINION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
From the Cato Institute (not exactly a liberal think tank)
When asked, "What level of immigration would have the most favorable impact
on the U. S. standard of living?", 56 percent said "more," 33
percent said "same number," and none said "fewer."
@marcrocksout You are confusing "immigrants" with illegal aliens. They are hardly the same thing, in terms of financial value to the country, as well as in terms of legal status.
@GeauxNOSaints Ok, I don't know how many times I can re-iterate this, it's been at least 3 already:
google: greenspan ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
google: economist's opinion of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
I understand u feel strongly about this subject, but sometimes those strong emotions can cloud reality, I'd like to base this debate on FACTS, not hyperbole. I googled the LA Cowboy u asked me to.
After u google those 2 items, tell me what u find. There are many many articles to choose from.
@GeauxNOSaints Now i'm going to co-mingle 2 subjects that were brought up. Imm. laws and healthcare. I imagine an objection u have about HC is that the govt should let the markets work. In my opinion, thats a good argument. By the same token, u can't pick and choose when to apply that. Illegals are functioning w/in a market and anti-im people would like govt intervention to skew the labor market in their favor, bordering on socialism. I'm putting forward that illegals (1's who's only crime is...
@GeauxNOSaints ....working illegally, NOT drug runners) are actually the embodiment of American ideals - u come here, u work hard, u better urself & in turn America. Competition is what makes America great & we need to embrace it. No open borders but a path to absorb these "illegals" whose only crime is wanting to participate in the American Dream. A generation ago there was another Imm debate that demonized another ethnic group. Their children are contributing to America's greatness
No, those aren't my assertions. Here is what I think: Immigration and employment laws should be enforced. Newcomers who are violating them are criminals who have no business being here.
And the "Orwellian commingling" is your attempt to equate "immigrants" with "illegal aliens." Breaking and entering is not immigration. Further, your argument is not with me. You have a problem with Title 8 of the U.S. Code - the proper term for people unlawfully in the country is found there.
@GeauxNOSaints You forgot to reply to me.....So do u believe that many illegal immigrants have made contributions to American society? Do u believe that some children of illegal immigrants have made contributions to American society? I never comingled - "google: Greenspan ILLEGAL immigrants" I do believe that there should be a revamping of Title 8 to allow for people who are not criminals who work hard. These people are who we WANT in this country. My prob is ALSO w/u because ur harassing people
@GeauxNOSaints I would like some concrete examples of Americans that r looking for day labor jobs that lost jobs to the people ur harassing. Show me.
They're only "criminals" out of a xenophobic hatred towards Mexicans. Where is ur outrage for the French student who overstayed their Visa & are working as a waiter? Why r u not picketing French waiters or other foreigners w/accents who have jobs? The only law they're breaking is wanting to work & we need to enact a fair law to represent that.
@GeauxNOSaints If you show me proof positive an American who was looking for a day laborer/ farm laborer job and lost it to the people ur harassing then u'll have a point. Show me a CONCRETE example, not ur "cousin Tony" who's always wanted to work on a farm
@GeauxNOSaints U have NEVER offered any examples of Americans losing work to the day laborers that ur harassing, u've NEVER offered any proof that anyone ur harrassing is ACTUALLY ILLEGAL and u've NEVER offered any proof that anyone ur harassing has EVER been arrested and proven to be ILLEGAL. Why is that?
When you offer proof, I will have sympathy for ur plight against workers who come here illegally. Until then, ur just an angry man harassing people less fortunate than urself.
@marcrocksout You're right. I have proven none of those things you listed, nor have I even attempted to do so. Here's why - There is no burden of proof. Home Depot parking lots are not courts of law. I have no evidentiary requirement to meet.
In regards to gaining your sympathy, I don't mean this personally, but gaining your goodwill or feelings of compassion was not what we intended to accomplish
@GeauxNOSaints So you have no proof & don't feel inclined to even marginally investigate. There's no way for u to actually KNOW whether they're illegal or if they have permits or if, GASP!, they're Americans of Mexican descent. What ur saying is that ur ok w/stalking, harassing & defaming American citizens?
Due to the recently passed DREAM Act the children of illegal immigrants now have a path to citizenship - since they are no longer illegal & "criminal" I suppose u'll be fully supporting them
@marcrocksout A. What type of investigation do you deem necessary to determine whether or not a bunch of limited English speakers, in OC, seeking cash-compensated employment in a hardware store parking lot, are mostly illegal aliens? Do you suspect that the majority of them are there b/c (GASP!) they're Americans or legal residents w/ proper residency/employment documents?
B. I almost (not quite, though) hate to break this to you - The DREAM Act hasn't passed.
@GeauxNOSaints A) I would like u to offer proof that u know they're illegal.
I myself am American and work for cash compensation under a 1099. I also know many 1st generation LEGAL American immigrants that have limited english skills so that doesn't mean anything.I just want to see a video of u protesting French waiters. Maybe go to your local Chinatown or Koreatown and protest there.
But u won't. U'll continue to focus on Mexicans through your misguided view that ONLY Mexicans are illegal.
@marcrocksout Why don't you try answering the question rather than BS-ing around.
What sort of evid. or investigation do you believe is appropriate to determine that a bunch of limited Eng. speakers looking for cash jobs at an informal day labor site in So. Calif. are largely illegals?
And I freely admit, I have zero absolute proof to give you. I certainly don't know w/ complete assuredness that ea. one is illegal. What do you deem sufficient in this situation? What'd do it for you?
@GeauxNOSaints I'm not the one harassing people so I don't need to justify my actions. I want an arrest record, a copy of a Mexican ID, something besides the xenophobic response of "limited Eng. speakers looking for cash jobs at an informal day labor site". I pointed out that I know many LEGAL citizens w/limited English. If I was an unskilled laborer and I knew there were cash jobs to be found at the site I would go there. So b/c u aren't sure of their status, ur ok w/harassing Americans?
@marcrocksout So, in order to determine, to your satisfaction, whether or not a bunch of limited English speakers in hardware store parking lot, who are seeking cash compensated employment are, in fact, mostly illegal aliens, you would like Mexican ID's or arrest records.
Great. How do you suggest we go about procuring those things?
@GeauxNOSaints How u prove it is not my concern. I think that you should have, at a minimum, some proof of citizenship before u declare someone to be ILLEGAL and continually harass them. Lacking justification of ur claims ur stereotyping based on race. Declaring someone is commiting a crime when u have no proof is a crime in itself. That coupled w/the fact that u protest no other ethnic groups (french waiters, polish handy men) is why u present urself as xenophobic.
@marcrocksout Of course it's not your concern. You've conveniently dictated a sense of circumstances, however, that have made it next to impossible to ever protest day laborers ... which, of course, is your concern. For whatever reason, you like illegal alien workers. Further, it obviously upsets you that others don't, and in addition to that, take steps to discourage their employment. Resultingly, you invent a non-existent need for "proof" that would make it all but impossible ...
@GeauxNOSaints ... fortunately for me, and others who wish to convey their political opinions in a relatively free society, the First Amendment does not place limitations on free expression of the nearly prohibitive nature you'd love to visit upon anti-illegal immigration activists.
Deal with it. I have to meet evidentiary burdens in courts, not on Home Depot blacktops.
@GeauxNOSaints Did you see that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS w/a high school education actually contribute a surplus of $100,000's of dollars over their lifetime? The stats in the CIS report are based on ILLEGALS accessing American support. In Bush's Guest worker program they could work but would be proihited from accessing funds INCREASING the put in/take out ratio
What I find most interesting about ur argument is that ur whole premise relies on pretending ASSUMPTIONS are FACTS and u openly admit that.
@GeauxNOSaints U've referenced a pol on a horse and one study. I've referenced many studies & an opinion accepted by 74% of ECONOMISTS.
U've justified ur harassment w/no proof. Remember the take our jobs protest? 10,000 people signed up to take do field work. How many showed up? 11. How many of those 11 said this was the job for them? NONE. The jobs are there and via the free market the jobs are being filled by people willing to work them.
Ultimately, throughout history BIGOTRY and FEAR FAIL
@GeauxNOSaints I didn't dictate the terms, u asked me. Ultimately, I just want some proof that ur not DEFAMING innocent Americans of Mexican descent by accusing them in public of a crime.
I googled CIS... They are obviously one of the 11% of economists that believe that ILLEGAL immigration negatively affects the economy as opposed to VAST MAJORITY who believe that it ADDS to teh economy.
@marcrocksout I know you want proof. You've mastered the art of repetition. Fortunately, I have no obligation to provide it, any more than I am required to establish there's a good likelihood that the sun will rise tomorrow, before I'm allowed to purchase sun screen.
And the answer to your question is, no, I didn't. If I did, would I find some evidence that illegal aliens are really not systematically and repeatedly violating multiple federal laws?
@GeauxNOSaints The truth is out u never wanted to see. The crux of the matter is that u have NO PROOF the people u harass are illegal & aren't Americans of Mexican descent. U cannot be bothered to challenge ur own prejudices enough to find out. U also ADMIT that when offered evidence CONTRARY to ur narrow opinion about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS u choose not to see it to maintain ur PREJUDICES.
Ur like the ostrich w/his head in the sand - if u don't see it, it doesn't exist.
@GeauxNOSaints For the record, LEGALLY u do have to provide proof. Since ur a man of laws - under precedents set on DEFAMATION, ur liable if u repeatedly & publicly state something
"injurious to another in their trade, business, or profession" or "of criminal activity"
which is what ur doing, making u an admitted "criminal" & on par w/the people ur harassing (who in ur opinion are "criminals").
I was quite enjoying our little debate, but I REALLY wanted to debate IN GOOD FAITH & based on FACTS
@marcrocksout No, I don't. However, since you clearly know more about it than I, I'll simply sit back and await service of process for what must be the mother of all lawsuits coming my way.
@GeauxNOSaints So, we've ESTABLISHED that ur DEFAMING potential AMERICANS of Mexican descent. As for suing u, I've never appeared in ur videos (as far as I know) so I don't have any complaint to file, I'm merely pointing out ur CRIMINAL activity.
So now thats out of the way, we can look at other questions.
If 74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis for saying that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
@marcrocksout Hardly. The only things that have been established by this exchange are that you like to repeat yourself, are enamored of capitalizing for the purpose of emphasis, would love to impose standards upon illegal immigr. protestors that don't exist, and are under the impression people unlawfully here are a net financial boon.
@GeauxNOSaints U admitted that u have no idea if they're legal or illegal. Innocent until PROVEN guilty we assume they'er innocent and legal and therefore claiming REPEATEDLY in a public forum that they've committed a crime is pretty straightforward LIBEL. It's not imposing any undue burden on u that isn't a pretty accepted standard of DECENCY, do not go around calling some one a RAPIST if u can't PROVE it. I don't think that's nothing that far fetched.
@marcrocksout Incorrect. I said I don't have "absolute proof" that they're all illegal aliens. And, as has been the case since you started off on this diatribe several days ago, you're still trying to impose a burden of proof or legal standards that are appropriate for a court of law, not a Home Depot parking lot. Sorry.
@GeauxNOSaints U seem to be mistaken again. Looking back I saw no mention of ABSOLUTE proof, it was a quick skim so I could be wrong, so feel free to point that out. I only ever asked for ANY KIND of proof. Something besides that they appear to be MEXICAN. Again, in public u can't repeatedly claim someone's a RAPIST just because u have a GRUDGE against them. The reason I keep repeating myself is because u keep talking in circles, so here goes again:
@GeauxNOSaints What does that mean? This is what's wrong w/the discussion here & why I have to keep repeating myself. Try to speak clearly & directly, provide any evidence to back up what you're saying:
-do u have ANY PROOF that they're ILLEGAL?
-74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
-Ur asking the government to intervene into a working free market, why are u AGAINST the FREE MARKET & CAPITALISM?
@marcrocksout It means you're wrong, there's an explicit mention of "absolute proof."
And you're also wrong as to the failing of this conversation, which is actually this: You're essentially a bullshit artist. You commonly do the following: A) Misstate facts; B) Invent and impose sets of rules that don't exist; C) Mischaracterize things you don't like; D) Change the subject when you get uncomfortable.
You can relax, however, I'm going to stop beating up on you. You can post whatever ...
@GeauxNOSaints ... you like here, but nearly a week of your excess capitalization, inane accusations and truly pedestrian level of intellectual dishonesty is more than enough for me.
Marc, rock out to your heart's content and enjoy the holidays.
@GeauxNOSaints I find it interesting that I repeatedly offered reference points for all my statements, which u admit u didn't look @ for fear of actually having to look outside ur tiny bubble. U feel ur being CORNERED by ur indefensible position and so ur LASHING OUT, essentially saying that if I won't pretend ur right, ur going to take ur marbles and going home. If u can actually disprove 74% of economists or anything I said, feel free to provide evidence refuting it.
@GeauxNOSaints U haven't @ any point been able to offer ANYTHING to back up ur ASSERTIONS and haven't been able to actually DISPROVE anything I've said, The transcript of our little debate here, which I was quite enjoying btw, speaks for itself. I asked DIRECT questions, u hedged...pretty obvious.
I hope u and urs have a wonderful holiday. Hopefully u'll take this time off to EDUCATE URSELF and do some research. Perhaps in the new year u'll even actually be able to BACK UP ur HOLLOW STATEMENTS.
@GeauxNOSaints Actually, I've done nothing but try to keep u on topic: A)I provide FACTS, u provide UNSUBSTANTIATED ASSERTIONS. B) I requested what u were basing ur ASSUMPTIONS on that the people u harass are MEXICAN and not AMERICANs of mexican descent. C) Never mischaracterized, have tried to establish FACTS which is a subject u repeatedly AVOID. D) evidenced by the fact that in order to get even the smallest amount of TRUTH out of u , I keep repeating myself, I never changed the subject.....
@GeauxNOSaints The reason I repeat myself is b/c it seems to be the only way to get u to respond to a REALITY based question. I keep presenting u w/widely ACCEPTED views & u REFUSE to acknowledge FACTS, opting to see only info, no matter how far outside of reality it is, that u claim supports ur view. Ur comfortable inside ur bubble of IGNORANCE & don't want any inconvenient FACTS to seep in. It's not just me, it's 74% of ECONOMISTS that agree ILLEGAL immigration is a NET PLUS FOR THE ECONOMY.
@GeauxNOSaints I CAPITALIZE b/c u apparently only want to see certain words or views, I'm trying to help u out, like a big highlighter for u. So, back to the questions:
-u acknowledge u have NO PROOF of anyone in ur videos committing a crime. Feel free to offer some.
-74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
-Ur asking the gov to intervene in a free market, why are u AGAINST the free market & CAPITALISM?
I can't appreciate someone's views who deliberately deny/ignore facts against what they believe in.
JOCAMPO87 1 month ago
calling the kids stupid gnosticc is a dumb move, they're not responsible for their parents.
hotstimuli 1 month ago
I don't how to answer Geaux, that still doesn't mean anyone can come legally. They might have already been illegal. There could be tons of reasons.
hotstimuli 1 month ago
@hotstimuli Yes, you do. You just don't like the answer. The reality is that whites are a small percentage of people who are granted permanent residency status in this country each year. In fact, it's been that way for decades. I have more news for you, too. The large majority of people who annually become naturalized citizens in the U.S. are non-caucasians. That's not a new development, either.
And you're right. Everyone cannot come here legally. That's true in every country, not just the U.S.
GeauxNOSaints 1 month ago
Geaux America is not a house or a business and illegal immigrants aren't hurting anyone or violating anyone like rapist murderers child sex predators.
hotstimuli 2 months ago
@hotstimuli Illegal aliens aren't hurting anyone?? Your serious?? They are infesting our country, saying they want to take over. They are taking jobs away from citizens, which is against the law for them to hold jobs here! The expect everything handed to them for free......jobs, healthcare, schooling, money..... Come on now....wake up man!!
tinaw1969 1 month ago
Don't tell someone to get over our immigration system is only for rich whites.
hotstimuli 2 months ago
@hotstimuli If that's true, then why are over 80% of people who receive U.S. green cards each year people of color?
GeauxNOSaints 1 month ago
She is whats wrong with our country. People thinking the way she does is going to sink our country!!
tinaw1969 7 months ago
@tinaw1969 Bullshit! the Old fart says they "came to our land"
It is NOT his land. White people came and STOLE the land by MURDER & Genocide. they seem to forget that little fact and the targets of their racism are actually NATIVE Americans who are NATURAL to this LAND and CONTINENT. the whites belong in Filthy disease-infested EUROPE. Get the Fuck out!!! that goes for you too tinaw1969.
Ignorant BITCH
JC4crs 3 months ago
@JC4crs Are you ok? You seem really upset by this. I don't want you to have a heart attack over this.
LOL...get over it. This is our land now! They lost, we won. That's how it went in the old days! YOU get out!
tinaw1969 3 months ago
LOL, mexico does not even want these people and cant take care of them.
MegaBigTruckDriver 7 months ago
Stupid bitch
Derail07 8 months ago
@Derail07 She is there to curb the racists! YES, THE STUPID RACISTS!
03Terrestre 7 months ago
It's sad how people are accepting globalization.
americansanscullotes 8 months ago
@americansanscullotes Globalisation is a revolution and you cannot start nor stop revolutions, Napoleon said that. In that case you are the ones who are destroying the world based on lies. Ain't you ashamed that your army is murdering people in the middle east based on WMD lies? You just want to conquer but don't want to be conqueres you smelly, idiotic Ameridiot.-
gnossticc 8 months ago
@gnossticc One, you dont know me. Two, you really don't know me so keep your ignorant biased self centered remarks to your self. Do you actually think all Americans fit inside one stereo-type? You have a lot to learn, keep educating your self and maybe you will see the lies. Also you say "you" like it's me actually out there conquering nations like Genghis Khan or Constantine with the HRE. I've never been to combat and I don't stink.
americansanscullotes 8 months ago
@americansanscullotes Again, you don't accept nor reject globalisation, it is something that will happen no matter how we dislike it. I for example hate american english and manners beign spread around the world. I do not hate america, let me make myself clear but everything has become so boring, so predictable.
And yes, you smell!
gnossticc 8 months ago
hey geoux, tell me about the Chinese Exclutionary act,
luisoncln 9 months ago
this guy sounds like the dog from family guy
winoloko1 9 months ago
"Would it be alright with you if anybody in the world could come here any time they want to come here?!?"
Yep. What did you think "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" meant?
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer It meant 'wipe your shoes on the doormat and come in through the front door, not through the doggy door or a window'. Of course it also meant 'be prepared to be repatriated to your home country if you have any highly communicable diseases', but that's another story.
eier 9 months ago
@eier Pretty sure it means "¡bienvenidos!"
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer Not to just anybody! The story at Ellis Island was a lot different from the plaque on the Statue. Not that I approve of racial quotas, but I do not think we can expect anyone belonging to the dominant ethnic group (be it native or of foreign heritage) of a given country to voluntarily stand by as that country's ethnic balance shifts against his favor.
eier 9 months ago
@eier So you're saying the Native Americans should reclaim the U.S.? The plague on the Statue? Big eye-roller there.
Jokes aside, you just said that white people should be offended by the simple fact that non-whites are entering "their" nation. Oh no, we're not gonna be the majority anymore. Sweet, that's not racist at all . . . The problem is you think a racial ethnicity has anything to do with your favor; total intolerance. Fucking racist.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer 1) Native Americans aren't the dominant ethnic group, and I think you meant 'plaque', not "plague" (if not, that's one hell of a FreudSlip). If they were, yes, they should try to reclaim it by force.
I never mentioned White People, although your assumption I implied it is understandable. Let me clarify: White People are the dominant ethnoracial group in this country; Mongolians are the dominant ethnic group in Mongolia. The former group is of foreign heritage (Europe), ...
eier 9 months ago
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Revengeancer 9 months ago
@eier Love how you're all "Uhhmmmurickah is under attack!"
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer Never said it, never implied it. America isn't under attack from Mexico; it just needs to improve relations with that country so its people don't need to try to get here illegally. Libtards--always making specious claims about opponents. I used to be one, until I woke up and smelled reality.
eier 9 months ago
@Revengeancer ...while the latter is native. An ethnic shift resulting in the diminution of either's proportion of the gross population in their respective countries is sure to upset either group and motivate them to maintain their balance of power. Being a minority in one's own country absolutely has to do with one's favor.
eier 9 months ago
@eier You're bending over backwards to sound smart, and you're shitting outta your mouth. Hatred smells the same, regardless of its wrapper. By "one's own country," you're saying the white person's country, the country the whites stole? Please, for the love of God, stop talking.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer First, you've refuted nothing I said, so I'll re-state my point: It doesn't matter if a country's dominant ethnic group is foreign born or native--your average member of that group wouldn't like to see his country (that's right--it's his 'cause he was born there) start to change (be it from immigration etc) in ways that reduce his group's influence and portion of the total population. It could be Mongolians in Mongolia, the French in France, or Whitey himself here in USA...
eier 9 months ago
@Revengeancer ...I myself don't really care all that much; I'm just trying to reveal the mindset of people who do. Try to stop screaming racism; it's reminding me of the boy who cried wolf. Blatant racism is rare in this country as it is; I dare say it's even worse in Mexico (Mestizos hate on Indians, White Mexicans hate on everybody). As Immortal Technique said: "...you can click on Univision--I've never seen so much racism in all of my life--every program and newscast, all of em white"
eier 9 months ago
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@eier It's like arguing with a cartoon character. The sad thing is, you live every day of your life believing this shit. Rabble-rabble, baby.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer Did you mark your own post as spam?
eier 9 months ago
@eier You seem mad.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer "I wanna fucking kill something" mad or "happy un-birthday to you, Mr. Popp-n'-Fresh, lovely purples we're having this Bluesday" mad?
eier 9 months ago
@eier Oh God, you're resorting to firing back "are you mad" like some kinda mimic loop; embarrassing.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@eier You're throwing quotations around those phrases like I said 'em. You're either retarded or involved in politics. I feel like I'm making fun of a retarded person; gross.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer I was just playfully responding to your supposition I was mad. Angry mad or crazy mad? Get it? Involved in politics? Me? Ha ha ha! I'm just a fly in your philosophical ointment. You think I'm dirtying the ointment, but the ointment is already tainted with naivete and intellectual innocence. And please, stop throwing around the word 'retard'. I have cousin with down syndrome, and I don't appreciate that word being thrown around in place of 'stupid'. Seriously.
eier 9 months ago
@eier Clearly his retardedness is reaching across the branches and making you into a pseudo-intellectual racist douchebag, or maybe stupidity's saturated your gene pool?
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer Tisk tisk, Revengeancer. Name calling doesn't help your argument...or make you feel better, at least not in the long run. I am disappoint ಠ_ಠ in your language. So, am I crazy mad or angry mad? DO TELL!!!
eier 9 months ago
@eier Does abusing ellipses make you feel any better? "Do tell?" That's something only a total douche would say. From where I'm standing, I'd say you're an honest blend of the two (crazy and angry) with a dash of self-loathing; short-man syndrome. "I am disappoint" in your logic, rofl.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer I am disappoint ಥ_ಥ in your continued name calling! Please, explain how I am self-loathing, as I am positively LOVING myself when you shower me with your kind words, my dear pet!
eier 8 months ago
@eier Obvious troll is obvious. Classic misdirection won't work on me, Johnny White Devil.
"As I am" is another of those cheesy pseudo-intellectual lines that just make me cringe. It's like nails on a chalkboard, talking to a racist moron who can't smell his own shit. It's like calling a baboon retarded, yet he insists he can do calculus using his turd as a crayon.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer That's quite an imagination you've got there, Revengeancer. It's comforting to see how you so thoroughly explained how i am a self-loathing, retarded, racist White Devil without resorting to personal attacks, which I know someone of your esteem would NEVER do. However, I am disappoint ಠ~ಠ in your assertion that I of all people am a troll. Well I NEVER. You got some esplainin' to do!!
eier 8 months ago
@eier Yep, I see ya falling back to the sarcastic shtick, but underneath it all, your default response is ugly. Then tomorrow, you'll wake up with the same embittered sense of paranoia, and I'll go to Chipotle.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer I like Chipotle too!! FINALLY, something we can agree on! Do you have to take Chipotle-away to rid yourself of all the hot air you've vented against me?
eier 8 months ago
@eier Your variation of the "mad, bro" line is noted and rejected. You remind me of Shirley Phelps, spewing all that hatred with a shit-eating grin.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer THIS IS SO MUCH FUN!!!! Shirley Phelps, the ALL-TROLL! Oh, to be exalted like her is such an honor, it brings tears to my eyes! ALL PRAISE THE ALL-TROLL!!!
But seriously, I hate her too, man. A friend of mine in Wichita was gonna firebomb their church but chickened out. Pity that.
eier 8 months ago
@eier Seriously, "ethnic balance shifts against [the white man's] favor?" You're not even addressing illegal immigration anymore; you're saying it's wrong for the U.S. to have more non-whites than whites.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer If gringos were crossing the border into Mexico illegally and rising in population faster than the native-born Mexicans, and the Mexicans protested this and tried to stop it, would they be racist? Hell no! and that's the same situation here. Respect our laws, and we'll respect you. If we disrespect your laws, what right have we to object to your treatment of us? Golden Rule ring a bell?
eier 9 months ago
@eier You're absolutely retarded. I could write a book on how stupid that response is. The tragedy is, you wouldn't read it. You see the world as this threatening battleground where skin makes uniforms. So focused on race; I honestly feel sorry for you. Based on your arguments, the priority of any nation is to establish a racial majority. That fact alone depresses me enough to not want to argue with you.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer Then why keep posting? You're obviously misinterpreting my words as racist. This is a common tactic, unfortunately, so I'm not too surprised. You really believe in all that naively utopian version of reality called multiculturalism. Face it: People have hated each other along ethnoreligious lines for millenia, and racism isn't going away no matter how hard you pray. I accept this as the truth, but it does not make me racist. I wish you could understand.
eier 9 months ago
@eier When I see someone argue against multiculturalism, I don't understand how you can say you're not a racist douchebag. You're implying every ethnicity should be at arms with each other. You literally said "People have hated each other along ethnoreligious lines" then claimed you weren't racist by futhering that logic; that's ridiculously stupid.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer Just because I acknowledge the existence and persistence of hate doesn't mean I hate. Multiculturalism has not worked and cannot work because no one wants to relinquish their own culture, no matter if they live in a society where they form the majority or a minority. And I hope you're not confusing multiculturalism (bad) with multiracialism (good, for the most part in this country). Ethnicities shouldn't be at war with each other; each deserves its own space, and this is best...
eier 9 months ago
@eier You're arguing in absolutes, and it shows how absolutely stupid you are. I honestly feel sorry for you. The world isn't as threatening as you're making it to be. All you wanna do is complain and pick fights. Too bad your opinions are worth shit.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer A while ago, you were acting like you wanted to stop our little chat. Yet here you are, several posts later telling me my opinions are shit. Have you always liked to play with shit, or is this some sort of nascent coprophilia you've developed? If you truly believe what I have to say is worthless, then why not stop responding? And this is hardly fighting, what with you calling me a retard and me admiring your valiant efforts, pitifully weak as they are.
eier 9 months ago
@eier I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing myself think over your blatant stupidity. Paint yourself any color you like, you're still a turd. You're doing what every racist scum does--you're reinventing yourself as some pejorative intellectual avenger, when the root of your argument is for a racially segregated world. There's no coming back from that--it's absolute lunacy. You're throwing this calm Buddha exterior while what drives you is fear and hatred of anyone different than you.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer I guess you really like to play with shit, because according to you, I'm shit, and you keep responding in defiance of you're own stated desire to bow out of our little chat. Lunacy, my dear, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. You should very well expect the same 'shit' from me whenever I respond, because your unkind words aren't inviting me to join your side of the argument. You say I hate, yet I have up until this point used rational
eier 9 months ago
@Revengeancer arguments to support my position. Cultures, which often go hand-in-hand with ethnicities, deserve space to grow and flourish, without encroachment by other, more powerful cultures. I am against my country's presence in the Muslim World as it stands, and I would not want to force my culture on anyone else's. However, my culture is not immune to encroachment either. No one's is. American culture is distinct and cannot be equated with Multiculturalism. When politicians say we...
eier 9 months ago
@eier Again, you're showing how racist and narrow-minded you are by suggesting that in order to flourish, all ethnicities must be separated. The harder you try to sound intelligent, the deeper you dig that hole of yours.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer ...live in a multicultural society, they often really mean a multiracial society. I don't believe a truly multicultural society where all cultures are equal in power is possible because someone's culture will ALWAYS be on the top. Some cultures are bound to have more adherents and therefore more power. With that power, they will be able to steer a country's ship of state in ways that benefit their culture, perhaps to the detriment of less powerful cultures.
eier 9 months ago
@eier Your argument reveals your true nature, tyrant. "Oh noes, we can't have some Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Muslims living under the same roof! One of us has to win!" Hey, caveman, drop that club.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer Sure, they can live under the same roof, but do you think all religious factions would be able to exert the same amount of influence, with no one faction gaining enough ground to become dominant? If you're naive enough to think we live in a society without an explicitly Judeo-Christian character, I see no point in trying to convince you further. You're too far gone already. I don't even believe in God, but I can see the culture for what it is. Islam is already competing with...
eier 8 months ago
@eier You're as adorable as a juror in the Salem Witch Trials.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer There were no jurors, only accusers and judges. Learn your history.
eier 8 months ago
@Revengeancer ...secularism in Europe, and many Muslims living there admit they'd rather live under Islamic law than secular law. Factions are ALWAYS vying to get to the top, in any country, and though few are successful in disturbing the status quo, the fight NEVER ends. Muslims vs Christians in the Philippines; Buddhists vs Hindus in Sri Lanka; Jews vs Muslims in Palestine. Take off the blinders and see the world for what it really is. It's competition--for ideas, cultural attitudes, etc.
eier 8 months ago
@eier Oh Jesus Christ, you're ridiculously stupid. "Waaah, the whole world is full of people hating each other, so let's vacate to opposite ends of the globe!" Grow up, dude. Guess what, though? There's not a thing you can do to stop multiculturalism; it's happening. Either get used to it, or swallow a plastic bag.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer I'm not advocating anything of the sort. I'm just saying peoples need their spaces, some space for every people. I know multiculturalism is happening and that I alone can do nothing to stop its advance. However, I also know its effects will include more ethnic tension and more violence in the years to come. People belonging to distinct ethnic groups who wish to remain separate will fight for that freedom or face cultural extinction. The suicide of the West is already underway.
eier 8 months ago
@eier This whole thing started with you arguing against illegal immigration, which is fine on the exterior, except that you replaced that argument with saying that "each [ethnicity] deserves it's own [separate] space." You're like that crazy old man who stands at his window all day with binoculars 'cause some minority family moved-in down the street, repeating "it's all going to hell, Edith."
Revengeancer 9 months ago
Respond to this video... I never replaced that argument, and I still stand by it. Our discussion veered off the topic of the video on which we are commenting when YOU first called me a "fucking racist" and insinuated that I thought of America as a "White country". I politely disagreed and gave you reasons to the contrary. Ignoring them, you continued to attempt to paint me as a racist, but without a primer (i.e. a well-reasoned, credible argument), your paint failed to stick...
eier 9 months ago
@Revengeancer ...Maybe you should go back to the drawing board, which in your case might be that easel from 2nd grade with the fingerpaint smears you left from that "what I like about me" project on which you wrote you were 'shpeshul'. You are shpeshul, Revengeancer, you are!
eier 9 months ago
@eier Talking to a friend, I just realized the problem here: You're literally too stupid to realize how stupid you are. Know what? Go for it, dude. Go for the whole "maybe one day, all races will scatter to opposite ends of the globe thing, then we'll attain our goals" shtick. I'm sure you can make a difference in the world through your internet posts.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer I don't have to make a difference, other than to show you that not everyone agrees with your world-view and that your opposition won't lie down and accept your version of the status quo. What makes me 'stupid', Revengeancer? Show me some kind of argument to the contrary of my opinions expressed in these comments without resorting to name-calling.
eier 8 months ago
@eier Dude, after countless civil rights movements, I don't think I should have to justify why I don't think the color of my skin or religious preference provides a basis to hate or otherwise segregate myself from the rest of humanity. If you're too blind to see that, I feel sorry for you. The difference between you and me: I don't see the world as some racial/social battlefield. It's people like you that are the problem.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer Self-segregation is hardly hate, my dear. You've expressed these sentiments before, and even though you're being sincere this time, I must respond in kind. You are naive, and the world you think you know is but a very thin veneer over a cold, hard, unforgiving realm where no matter who you are, no matter what you believe, no matter where you live, someone, somewhere, right now, hates you for it. And there's nothing you can do about it.
eier 8 months ago
@eier That's the stinkiest load of horseshit I've encountered in a long time. No, it's cold-hearted narrow-minded chumps like you who make this world into a battleground. Your response to hate is to hate it back--I don't care if someone hates me. If you can't see how caveman you're being, I can't help you.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer So...I hate hate, according to you? I didn't know 'caveman' was an adjective, let alone a single word. I am disappoint ಠ_ಠ in your grammar.
eier 8 months ago
@eier You're too stupid to argue with. What, should I write an essay on how the word "caveman" can be an adjective? You're a sad little dude who uses YouTube to voice his (thankfully) ineffectual opinions. Clearly, you surf around looking for fights, but apart from some momentary frustration, you haven't really done much, except now I truly think you're a bottomless pit of ignorance and hate, and I'm glad I don't have to live like that.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer Sure. Write that essay. I'd like to see you think through something for a change. What makes you think I surf around looking for fights? I simply replied to a comment you made on this video, then you responded to my comment, and so on. What makes you think I do this with other people?
eier 8 months ago
@eier I allowed myself to get roped into talking with you, but here's where I can best demonstrate the difference between you and I: I can walk away, despite whatever (expected) pejorative remarks you throw my way. Being hatefully negative might be fun for you, but it's obvious how miserable you must be.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer A-HA! An admission of wrongdoing on your part. I thought I'd never see the day (really evening). You can walk away, but to do so while playing the victim after having called me stupid, racist, retarded, ignorant, hateful, etc just leaves me...well...confused. What, pray tell, "pejorative remarks" did I throw your way?
eier 8 months ago
@Revengeancer So, we cool now? How 'bout some Chipotle? My treat. As they say, "No me llames 'frijolero' pinche gringo puñetero"
eier 8 months ago
@eier Let's never fight again, girlfriend. We're like sisters.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer Awww--you missed me! That's so sweet. So, you up for Chipotle? I was serious about that.
eier 8 months ago
@eier Yes, I will share lava-poops with you. Look at us, Israel and Palestine could learn a thing or two from our painful dookie union.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
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@Revengeancer Don't forget to take your Chipotle-Away!
eier 8 months ago
@eier Yeah, I know--now you go all racist rabble-rabble on me with some snarky remark. At the end of the day, I go to bed with a genuine sense of peace and unity with the world. I love meeting new people with open perspectives and sharing information, whereas you're barricading your doors. I can't imagine that's a good way to live.
Revengeancer 8 months ago
@Revengeancer ...done by granting autonomy to minority groups. Do you think living amongst intolerant Shi'as and Sunnis in Iraq is good for Kurds? What about ethnic Bosniaks living in Serbia? Chechnyans in Russia? Selling people the lie that they can keep their cultures completely intact when immigrating to a foreign country without the expectation of ethnic tension is immoral. The world's most socially stable countries tend to be monocultural ethnostates: Finland, Iceland, Japan, Korea.
eier 9 months ago
@eier America is a multicultal nation, didn't you know that? If you don't like illegal immigration you need to fix your country not Mexico. Why are you wasting lives and money and resources in immoral wars based on lies? SHouldn't you be using it in education, cause american education is shit compared to European education or Japanese for example.
gnossticc 8 months ago
@gnossticc First, I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're not really a 44-year-old from Guatamala. Secondly, it's Mexico that needs fixing, MUCH more so than USA. Mexicans should try fixing Mexico instead of breaking into USA, even if they're doing it just to feed their families. American education is considered shit because too many American parents can't control their kids. Bringing in kids from Latin America whose parents don't want to learn English makes it even worse. And my point...
eier 8 months ago
@eier You are lying, this debate about educational crisis in america has been around for decades, even before the illegals explosion. Try to inform yourself before you blame the scapegoats for your failures as a nation.
gnossticc 8 months ago
@gnossticc I know; that's why I set the blame squarely on the heads of American parents. Did you even read my whole comment?
eier 8 months ago
@eier Watch: "Where We Stand: American Schools In The 21st Century Part 1 "
And also: "Stupid in America"
Here in youtube. This debate has been going on for decades, way before the wtback invasion. It is your fault not others.
gnossticc 8 months ago
@gnossticc It's no more my fault than yours. I'm not failing to raise any kids, like most parents in my country. Parents are to blame, but flooding schools with undocumented children who aren't forced to learn English just makes the problem worse.
eier 8 months ago
@eier If they don't want to learn english it's because they are stupid, that's not my fault, is it? Have you ever read about Teacher Jaime Escalante? Look for it in youtube, Jaime Escalante, who taught a bunch of third world monkeys Sir Isaac Newton's Calculus and they excelled beyond the wildes expectations! By the way, the Mayans invented amazing things and made perfect measurements of the orbit of Venus without computers and without Newton.
gnossticc 8 months ago
@gnossticc I never said their failure to learn English was your fault; I just said it's a bad thing, and you seem to agree. I've seen Stand and Deliver, and that wasn't about "third world monkeys"; it was about Mexican Americans. Why bring up the Mayans? Their achievements have nothing to do with today's immigration crisis.
eier 8 months ago
@gnossticc ...about the most socially stable countries being monocultural ethnostates still stands. The countries with the highest math and sciences scores (Finland, Korea, Hong Kong, Japan) are all countries with a single dominant culture (i.e. they're NOT multicultural). As multiculturalism increases in Europe, rankings will fall and monocultural Asian countries will all fill the top slots. If multiculturalism were forced on Asian countries, it would produce the same effect.
eier 8 months ago
@gnossticc And about the wars--I hate them as much as you do, maybe even more since I have to help pay for them whether I like it or not. Neoconservatives have taken over our foreign policy decision-making, and as a consequence we have created vastly more enemies than friends in the Middle East. We should stop giving in to Israel's every wish and focus instead on our own problems, like virtually every other country does. We need to end the drug war by legalizing and decriminalizing drugs.
eier 8 months ago
@Revengeancer It's not that there's a priority to establish a racial/ethnic majority--racial/ethnic majorites already exist, and most people in these groups, whether they wish to admit it or not, would like to keep it that way. It's self interest. Human nature. That's all.
eier 9 months ago
@eier That's an irrational fear I'd hoped we had surpassed by now.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer It's not fear. It's unbiased, un-sugar-coated truth. And sometimes the truth hurts. Especially if you're liberal on this issue.
eier 9 months ago
@eier No, the truth hurts when you're racist. The rest of us couldn't care less about skin tone. Keep digging that hole, dude.
Revengeancer 9 months ago
@Revengeancer The hole is a lie. Just like the cake. The truth hurts whenever you're wrong. The truth could hurt a genuine racist (which I'm told are rare nowadays) or it could hurt someone like you. The truth is that multiculturalism, unlike the melting pot approach, does more harm than good. The only reason more people haven't spoken out is they're afraid of being called racist. That fear doesn't make them racist; It makes all who would automatically call them racist racialist profiteers
eier 9 months ago
@Revengeancer waiting to pounce on issues that earn them political points. The cult of victimhood and what not.
eier 9 months ago
@eier If I'm not mistaken, AIDS first appeared in AMerica, so you better shut up.
gnossticc 8 months ago
@gnossticc AIDS? Who said anything about AIDS? I never mentioned it until now, but I'll address your statement. While the first case of AIDS to have been diagnosed as such may have been in America, HIV has its origins in Africa. That's where a mutation in SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) produced HIV, which spread to humans via the bushmeat trade. HIV left untreated leads to AIDS, thus AIDS was in Africa before it was in America. Please look these things up before telling me to shut up.
eier 8 months ago
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Revengeancer 9 months ago
Mexico is actually forcing its poor to go to the US for money and other services.
Mexico is making Billions from the illegal immigrant and the US is spending $150 Billion a yaer to care for their poor..
F* Mexico!
unemployedtoo 11 months ago
she goes by emotion, real americans go by law.
TheAbeTate 1 year ago
@TheAbeTate dude stfu. if you were in an incredibly poor country and had an opportunity to go to another country illegally to start a better life, you would probably take it. dumbass
ironjarvis666 1 year ago
@TheAbeTate dude stfu. if you were in an incredibly poor country and had an opportunity to go to another country illegally to start a better life, you would probably take it. dumbass
ironjarvis666 1 year ago
@TheAbeTate dude stfu. if you were in an incredibly poor country and had an opportunity to go to another country illegally to start a better life, you would probably take it.
ironjarvis666 1 year ago
All of you gubachos should get out of the EEUU! You don't belong in our country.
Si se puede!
DartmouthAlum96 1 year ago
U keep saying how much illegal immigrants cost us, but I will AGAIN direct your attention to the accepted view by economists: google: ECONOMIST"S OPINION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
From the Cato Institute (not exactly a liberal think tank)
When asked, "What level of immigration would have the most favorable impact
on the U. S. standard of living?", 56 percent said "more," 33
percent said "same number," and none said "fewer."
FACT:
74% say illegals have a positive economic impact
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout You are confusing "immigrants" with illegal aliens. They are hardly the same thing, in terms of financial value to the country, as well as in terms of legal status.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints Cato institute:
"What impact does illegal immigration in its current magnitude
have on the U.S. economy?
Economists (percent)
Illegals have a positive impact 74
Illegals have a neutral impact 11
Illegals have a negative impact 11
Don't know 4
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout Google: CIS High Cost Cheap Labor
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints Ok, I don't know how many times I can re-iterate this, it's been at least 3 already:
google: greenspan ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
google: economist's opinion of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
I understand u feel strongly about this subject, but sometimes those strong emotions can cloud reality, I'd like to base this debate on FACTS, not hyperbole. I googled the LA Cowboy u asked me to.
After u google those 2 items, tell me what u find. There are many many articles to choose from.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints Now i'm going to co-mingle 2 subjects that were brought up. Imm. laws and healthcare. I imagine an objection u have about HC is that the govt should let the markets work. In my opinion, thats a good argument. By the same token, u can't pick and choose when to apply that. Illegals are functioning w/in a market and anti-im people would like govt intervention to skew the labor market in their favor, bordering on socialism. I'm putting forward that illegals (1's who's only crime is...
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints ....working illegally, NOT drug runners) are actually the embodiment of American ideals - u come here, u work hard, u better urself & in turn America. Competition is what makes America great & we need to embrace it. No open borders but a path to absorb these "illegals" whose only crime is wanting to participate in the American Dream. A generation ago there was another Imm debate that demonized another ethnic group. Their children are contributing to America's greatness
marcrocksout 1 year ago
No, those aren't my assertions. Here is what I think: Immigration and employment laws should be enforced. Newcomers who are violating them are criminals who have no business being here.
And the "Orwellian commingling" is your attempt to equate "immigrants" with "illegal aliens." Breaking and entering is not immigration. Further, your argument is not with me. You have a problem with Title 8 of the U.S. Code - the proper term for people unlawfully in the country is found there.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints You forgot to reply to me.....So do u believe that many illegal immigrants have made contributions to American society? Do u believe that some children of illegal immigrants have made contributions to American society? I never comingled - "google: Greenspan ILLEGAL immigrants" I do believe that there should be a revamping of Title 8 to allow for people who are not criminals who work hard. These people are who we WANT in this country. My prob is ALSO w/u because ur harassing people
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout I didn't forget. I didn't answer your questions intentionally b/c they're irrelevant.
You'd like a response to a meaningless inquiry as to residing and working in the U.S. unlawfully? OK:
Do some criminals make contributions, even sizeable ones, during their lives? Absolutely, without a doubt.
Therefore ...?
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints I would like some concrete examples of Americans that r looking for day labor jobs that lost jobs to the people ur harassing. Show me.
They're only "criminals" out of a xenophobic hatred towards Mexicans. Where is ur outrage for the French student who overstayed their Visa & are working as a waiter? Why r u not picketing French waiters or other foreigners w/accents who have jobs? The only law they're breaking is wanting to work & we need to enact a fair law to represent that.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints If you show me proof positive an American who was looking for a day laborer/ farm laborer job and lost it to the people ur harassing then u'll have a point. Show me a CONCRETE example, not ur "cousin Tony" who's always wanted to work on a farm
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints U have NEVER offered any examples of Americans losing work to the day laborers that ur harassing, u've NEVER offered any proof that anyone ur harrassing is ACTUALLY ILLEGAL and u've NEVER offered any proof that anyone ur harassing has EVER been arrested and proven to be ILLEGAL. Why is that?
When you offer proof, I will have sympathy for ur plight against workers who come here illegally. Until then, ur just an angry man harassing people less fortunate than urself.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout You're right. I have proven none of those things you listed, nor have I even attempted to do so. Here's why - There is no burden of proof. Home Depot parking lots are not courts of law. I have no evidentiary requirement to meet.
In regards to gaining your sympathy, I don't mean this personally, but gaining your goodwill or feelings of compassion was not what we intended to accomplish
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints So you have no proof & don't feel inclined to even marginally investigate. There's no way for u to actually KNOW whether they're illegal or if they have permits or if, GASP!, they're Americans of Mexican descent. What ur saying is that ur ok w/stalking, harassing & defaming American citizens?
Due to the recently passed DREAM Act the children of illegal immigrants now have a path to citizenship - since they are no longer illegal & "criminal" I suppose u'll be fully supporting them
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout A. What type of investigation do you deem necessary to determine whether or not a bunch of limited English speakers, in OC, seeking cash-compensated employment in a hardware store parking lot, are mostly illegal aliens? Do you suspect that the majority of them are there b/c (GASP!) they're Americans or legal residents w/ proper residency/employment documents?
B. I almost (not quite, though) hate to break this to you - The DREAM Act hasn't passed.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints A) I would like u to offer proof that u know they're illegal.
I myself am American and work for cash compensation under a 1099. I also know many 1st generation LEGAL American immigrants that have limited english skills so that doesn't mean anything.I just want to see a video of u protesting French waiters. Maybe go to your local Chinatown or Koreatown and protest there.
But u won't. U'll continue to focus on Mexicans through your misguided view that ONLY Mexicans are illegal.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout Why don't you try answering the question rather than BS-ing around.
What sort of evid. or investigation do you believe is appropriate to determine that a bunch of limited Eng. speakers looking for cash jobs at an informal day labor site in So. Calif. are largely illegals?
And I freely admit, I have zero absolute proof to give you. I certainly don't know w/ complete assuredness that ea. one is illegal. What do you deem sufficient in this situation? What'd do it for you?
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints I'm not the one harassing people so I don't need to justify my actions. I want an arrest record, a copy of a Mexican ID, something besides the xenophobic response of "limited Eng. speakers looking for cash jobs at an informal day labor site". I pointed out that I know many LEGAL citizens w/limited English. If I was an unskilled laborer and I knew there were cash jobs to be found at the site I would go there. So b/c u aren't sure of their status, ur ok w/harassing Americans?
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout So, in order to determine, to your satisfaction, whether or not a bunch of limited English speakers in hardware store parking lot, who are seeking cash compensated employment are, in fact, mostly illegal aliens, you would like Mexican ID's or arrest records.
Great. How do you suggest we go about procuring those things?
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints How u prove it is not my concern. I think that you should have, at a minimum, some proof of citizenship before u declare someone to be ILLEGAL and continually harass them. Lacking justification of ur claims ur stereotyping based on race. Declaring someone is commiting a crime when u have no proof is a crime in itself. That coupled w/the fact that u protest no other ethnic groups (french waiters, polish handy men) is why u present urself as xenophobic.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout Of course it's not your concern. You've conveniently dictated a sense of circumstances, however, that have made it next to impossible to ever protest day laborers ... which, of course, is your concern. For whatever reason, you like illegal alien workers. Further, it obviously upsets you that others don't, and in addition to that, take steps to discourage their employment. Resultingly, you invent a non-existent need for "proof" that would make it all but impossible ...
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints ... fortunately for me, and others who wish to convey their political opinions in a relatively free society, the First Amendment does not place limitations on free expression of the nearly prohibitive nature you'd love to visit upon anti-illegal immigration activists.
Deal with it. I have to meet evidentiary burdens in courts, not on Home Depot blacktops.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints Did you see that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS w/a high school education actually contribute a surplus of $100,000's of dollars over their lifetime? The stats in the CIS report are based on ILLEGALS accessing American support. In Bush's Guest worker program they could work but would be proihited from accessing funds INCREASING the put in/take out ratio
What I find most interesting about ur argument is that ur whole premise relies on pretending ASSUMPTIONS are FACTS and u openly admit that.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints U've referenced a pol on a horse and one study. I've referenced many studies & an opinion accepted by 74% of ECONOMISTS.
U've justified ur harassment w/no proof. Remember the take our jobs protest? 10,000 people signed up to take do field work. How many showed up? 11. How many of those 11 said this was the job for them? NONE. The jobs are there and via the free market the jobs are being filled by people willing to work them.
Ultimately, throughout history BIGOTRY and FEAR FAIL
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints I didn't dictate the terms, u asked me. Ultimately, I just want some proof that ur not DEFAMING innocent Americans of Mexican descent by accusing them in public of a crime.
I googled CIS... They are obviously one of the 11% of economists that believe that ILLEGAL immigration negatively affects the economy as opposed to VAST MAJORITY who believe that it ADDS to teh economy.
Did you google: greenspan ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
OR: economist's opinion of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout I know you want proof. You've mastered the art of repetition. Fortunately, I have no obligation to provide it, any more than I am required to establish there's a good likelihood that the sun will rise tomorrow, before I'm allowed to purchase sun screen.
And the answer to your question is, no, I didn't. If I did, would I find some evidence that illegal aliens are really not systematically and repeatedly violating multiple federal laws?
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints The truth is out u never wanted to see. The crux of the matter is that u have NO PROOF the people u harass are illegal & aren't Americans of Mexican descent. U cannot be bothered to challenge ur own prejudices enough to find out. U also ADMIT that when offered evidence CONTRARY to ur narrow opinion about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS u choose not to see it to maintain ur PREJUDICES.
Ur like the ostrich w/his head in the sand - if u don't see it, it doesn't exist.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints For the record, LEGALLY u do have to provide proof. Since ur a man of laws - under precedents set on DEFAMATION, ur liable if u repeatedly & publicly state something
"injurious to another in their trade, business, or profession" or "of criminal activity"
which is what ur doing, making u an admitted "criminal" & on par w/the people ur harassing (who in ur opinion are "criminals").
I was quite enjoying our little debate, but I REALLY wanted to debate IN GOOD FAITH & based on FACTS
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout No, I don't. However, since you clearly know more about it than I, I'll simply sit back and await service of process for what must be the mother of all lawsuits coming my way.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints So, we've ESTABLISHED that ur DEFAMING potential AMERICANS of Mexican descent. As for suing u, I've never appeared in ur videos (as far as I know) so I don't have any complaint to file, I'm merely pointing out ur CRIMINAL activity.
So now thats out of the way, we can look at other questions.
If 74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis for saying that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
Why are u AGAINST the free market & CAPITALISM?
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout Hardly. The only things that have been established by this exchange are that you like to repeat yourself, are enamored of capitalizing for the purpose of emphasis, would love to impose standards upon illegal immigr. protestors that don't exist, and are under the impression people unlawfully here are a net financial boon.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints U admitted that u have no idea if they're legal or illegal. Innocent until PROVEN guilty we assume they'er innocent and legal and therefore claiming REPEATEDLY in a public forum that they've committed a crime is pretty straightforward LIBEL. It's not imposing any undue burden on u that isn't a pretty accepted standard of DECENCY, do not go around calling some one a RAPIST if u can't PROVE it. I don't think that's nothing that far fetched.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout Incorrect. I said I don't have "absolute proof" that they're all illegal aliens. And, as has been the case since you started off on this diatribe several days ago, you're still trying to impose a burden of proof or legal standards that are appropriate for a court of law, not a Home Depot parking lot. Sorry.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints U seem to be mistaken again. Looking back I saw no mention of ABSOLUTE proof, it was a quick skim so I could be wrong, so feel free to point that out. I only ever asked for ANY KIND of proof. Something besides that they appear to be MEXICAN. Again, in public u can't repeatedly claim someone's a RAPIST just because u have a GRUDGE against them. The reason I keep repeating myself is because u keep talking in circles, so here goes again:
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout You're right. You're wrong. Take another look.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints What does that mean? This is what's wrong w/the discussion here & why I have to keep repeating myself. Try to speak clearly & directly, provide any evidence to back up what you're saying:
-do u have ANY PROOF that they're ILLEGAL?
-74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
-Ur asking the government to intervene into a working free market, why are u AGAINST the FREE MARKET & CAPITALISM?
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@marcrocksout It means you're wrong, there's an explicit mention of "absolute proof."
And you're also wrong as to the failing of this conversation, which is actually this: You're essentially a bullshit artist. You commonly do the following: A) Misstate facts; B) Invent and impose sets of rules that don't exist; C) Mischaracterize things you don't like; D) Change the subject when you get uncomfortable.
You can relax, however, I'm going to stop beating up on you. You can post whatever ...
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints ... you like here, but nearly a week of your excess capitalization, inane accusations and truly pedestrian level of intellectual dishonesty is more than enough for me.
Marc, rock out to your heart's content and enjoy the holidays.
GeauxNOSaints 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints I find it interesting that I repeatedly offered reference points for all my statements, which u admit u didn't look @ for fear of actually having to look outside ur tiny bubble. U feel ur being CORNERED by ur indefensible position and so ur LASHING OUT, essentially saying that if I won't pretend ur right, ur going to take ur marbles and going home. If u can actually disprove 74% of economists or anything I said, feel free to provide evidence refuting it.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints U haven't @ any point been able to offer ANYTHING to back up ur ASSERTIONS and haven't been able to actually DISPROVE anything I've said, The transcript of our little debate here, which I was quite enjoying btw, speaks for itself. I asked DIRECT questions, u hedged...pretty obvious.
I hope u and urs have a wonderful holiday. Hopefully u'll take this time off to EDUCATE URSELF and do some research. Perhaps in the new year u'll even actually be able to BACK UP ur HOLLOW STATEMENTS.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints Actually, I've done nothing but try to keep u on topic: A)I provide FACTS, u provide UNSUBSTANTIATED ASSERTIONS. B) I requested what u were basing ur ASSUMPTIONS on that the people u harass are MEXICAN and not AMERICANs of mexican descent. C) Never mischaracterized, have tried to establish FACTS which is a subject u repeatedly AVOID. D) evidenced by the fact that in order to get even the smallest amount of TRUTH out of u , I keep repeating myself, I never changed the subject.....
marcrocksout 1 year ago
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@GeauxNOSaints -do u have ANY PROOF that they're ILLEGAL?
-74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
-Ur asking the government to intervene into a working free market, why are u AGAINST the FREE MARKET & CAPITALISM?
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints The reason I repeat myself is b/c it seems to be the only way to get u to respond to a REALITY based question. I keep presenting u w/widely ACCEPTED views & u REFUSE to acknowledge FACTS, opting to see only info, no matter how far outside of reality it is, that u claim supports ur view. Ur comfortable inside ur bubble of IGNORANCE & don't want any inconvenient FACTS to seep in. It's not just me, it's 74% of ECONOMISTS that agree ILLEGAL immigration is a NET PLUS FOR THE ECONOMY.
marcrocksout 1 year ago
@GeauxNOSaints I CAPITALIZE b/c u apparently only want to see certain words or views, I'm trying to help u out, like a big highlighter for u. So, back to the questions:
-u acknowledge u have NO PROOF of anyone in ur videos committing a crime. Feel free to offer some.
-74% of ECONOMISTS agree that ILLEGAL immigration BENEFITS America's economy, what's ur basis that ILLEGALS are COSTING us money?
-Ur asking the gov to intervene in a free market, why are u AGAINST the free market & CAPITALISM?
marcrocksout 1 year ago