wow, i thought like dogtooth, those german guys are like the best, cause there the original in making movies, in this not the dark lighting style, the ackward angles, and quiet scenes, but i was wrong, american companies got it in the bad inside and out U_U_U_U amazing stuff, i love let me in :D
I don't know if I was the only one who noticed this, but in LTROI it seemed rushed, quick... But in LMI it seemed to be more in detail, and explain the situation more. I'm not trying to diss it or anything, it just seemed like it to me. I like LMI better. :)
i like both versions and i don´t think one can truly compare them . the swedish original sticks very close to the book, eli is an enigma, and i really like that the actors don´t have this 'clean+polished' look most in hollywood have - you see badly bleached hair, crooked teeth, in other words: normal people, which gives the movie an authentic feeling. the american remake though focuses more on owen and his relationship to abby which is also great. basically, i like both, and love the book ;-)
Let Me In was better I think. Let the Right One In, Eli is suppose to be a dude, that's just not my thing. Chloe makes a better kid vampire than the other girl. Long live Chloe and Long Live Hit Girl!!!
Yes, "Let Me In" is a very good film, but it doesn't hold its own with Let The Right One In. Not a hope in hell does it. Anybody that thinks the American version is better either hasn't seen the original, doesn't like having to read subtitles, or just doesn't recognise master film-making when it reaches up and violently bites them in the neck. Besides, Eli is a much deeper and more complex character than Abby., which automatically makes him more interesting.
@RealDougal I saw LTROI first, watch subtitled movies all the time, and love well-crafted films...
And I like LMI much more. Guess your theory doesn't hold up. Maybe you should add a few more "reasons" that don't fit your elitist attitude about people who like things you don't believe they "should like".
I find Abby the more interesting character because you're never sure what her motivation is. Unlike LTROI there is no "right one" or "wrong one" in LMI. Ambiguity is more interesting.
@natasajessica The thing is that it did wreck the story. The novel in the way Lindqvist wrote it is meant to be subtle, it is supposed to leave much to the mind of the reader or spectator. While LTROI translates the silence and quietness of the novel to the big screen, Matt Reeves simply changed the story to his own like and turned it into a horror film. With the remake, almost all of the feeling between the characters is lost in the script focused (cont)
@OdiumVacuus Exactly the opposite for me. The original was good but more simplisic. There is a clear "right and wrong"...it's even in the title. LMI went deeper into the idea of moral certainy and deconstructed it.
@ThePutupafight The ''right'' part is there because the title is a reference to the song of the same title by Morrissey, whom Lindqvist is a very avid fan of.
I found the theme you mentioned more obvious in LMI, where the kids somehow find themselves questioning it explicitly in a way a 12 year old kid wouldn't, like when Owen asks ''is there such thing as evil?''. The fact a kid that age would blatantly start speaking of it feels too blatant, to the point in which it's cheesy.
@ThePutupafight The ''right'' part is there because the title is a reference to the song of the same title by Morrissey, whom Lindqvist is a very avid fan of.
I found the theme you mentioned more obvious in LMI, where the kids somehow find themselves questioning it explicitly in a way a 12 year old kid wouldn't, like when Owen asks ''is there such thing as evil?''. The fact a kid that age would blatantly start speaking of it feels too blatant, to the point in which it's cheesy.
@OdiumVacuus There is a reason why Lindquist chose that song. There is a "right one" in the story. He didn't choose it because it didn't fit the story.
Since Owen has been preached at by his mother and his President about a clear "evil" in the world, he is naturally going to wonder if Abby fits that description. If he ANSWERED the question that would be hard to believe...but ASKING it is perfectly normal. He doesn't get an answer either...I don't think he knows the answer at the end.
@ThePutupafight But the title's the main point of the story. You're not going to go far as to tell me Reeves did a better job in the movie than JAL did in the novel, right?
Yes, but again, he's a 12 year old. I do not remember even grasping at the relativity of these things verbally up to a much older age. It just feels unnatural. While Oskar/Owen experiences this doubt, it is better left as something internal which the audience can infer rather than an explicitly stated theme.
@OdiumVacuus There is no "better". There is only what we like more as individuals. I like what Reeves did more.
All Owen knows is that he has been told there is good and there is evil. They are supposed to be very clear concepts and easy to recognize. Now...along comes Abby and she is not so black and white as good or evil. So his value system is in disarray. He asks the questions...he's not answering them.
The remake is good enough, it's almost an exact copy of the original. I have seen the movie with english subtitles. I think if you buy the bluray, the subtitles are gonna be extremely accurate. The original movie is in swedish, i haven't seen an english dub. I highly recommend reading the book after watching this, the book gives you some extra details (creepy btw).
@bonakent Yes, it is defiantely worth your time! In my personal opinion, LTROI was scarier... but LMI was overall the better film. It was more deeper, the characters were more lovable, the imagery was beautiful, and, let's face it, Abbey&Owen were much more fun to watch than Eli&Oskar. Granted though I never seen the original and only the remake and I have read the original book, as well.
I have not yet seen "Let Me In," but I really thought its Swedish predecessor - for all intents and purposes - was flawlessly executed. When I finally do get around to seeing "Let Me In," I hope that I can not only appreciate it to the same degree, but that I finally understand why someone thought it was necessary to take a second approach (beyond the studios cashing in).
Let the Right One In is, and always will be, the better film.
A remake was completely unnecessary. It wasn't "another movie based on the book", it was a complete rip-off of the Swedish film. The US needs to learn that subtitles aren't of the devil and you don't need to remake every good foreign movie just because Americans are too lazy to read.
1-No movie ever made is "necessary". We didn't need the first movie either...we already had the book.
2-The two movies are not the same if you bother to watch on a more than superficial level. Are you "too lazy" to think about movies you watch?
3-LMI was made because the Swedish producers of LTROI were aggressively selling the rights before LTROI was even released...not because "Americans are too lazy to read".
1. Do you think we need another Twilight movie? Or another Harry Potter movie? No. Because one movie, as long as it's good and not old, is enough.
2. The US movie was a blatant rip-off from the Swedish movie. A couple of changes here and there does not change that.
3. The rights were bought and a movie was made. Not because they were "forced" onto anyone through "aggressive selling", but because the US saw success and wanted a piece of it.
@Louchan2 Pretty much wrong on every single point.
1-We don't "need" ANY movie. The human race survived for thousands of years before movies existed. We got along fine with books for hundreds of years. Why did they make the first movie? Because people are "too lazy to read the book". There is nothing wrong with the book...but people prefer the story in the form of a movie. People are allowed to like stories in a format they like.
2. Unfortunately, the differences between the two movies still does not overshadow the rip-off that LMI is. LMI took near nothing from the original book that LtROI hadn't already. In fact, it took all the big changes that LtROI had made from the book. (Eli/Abby eating the candy instead of just refusing, etc...) So no matter how much you try to point out every change made from the original story, the fact that LMI ripped off LtROI is still clear as day.
@Louchan2 1-Your point doesn't make any sense. No film is needed.
2-You watch film in a very superficial way if you can't see the differences. And there is a very good reason why they used JAL's screenplay if you bother to find out the circumstances behind this.
2. (cont) Lulz, "LMI has a deeper purpose"... XD Now that's rich. And uh, no, the title "Let Me In" was used because they thought "Let the Right One In" was too long. Your attempt at making a shitty remake seem deep failed again.
3. "There was no success". Oh yeah, because a movie winning 50 international awards and being nominated to another 13 more isn't successful at all.
2-The title makes more sense no matter what reason it was used. There is no moral judgment in the LMI title which allows the examination of the nature of good/evil to thrive. (something the first movie did NOT do)
3-Once again....The Swedes sold the rights BEFORE there were any awards....so OBVIOUSLY that's not why Hammer bought the rights.
4-A lot of people being wrong does not prove they are right. They will never transform Hammer into a US studio.
5. Oh my god... XD Uh, no, sorry, but I'm not gonna read a study about why "subtitles are bad" when I've grown up with them. And no, I didn't contradict myself. Having to look down for half a second does not take away from a movie experience. You wanna know what really takes away a movie experience? Not watching the movie at all because you're incapable to do some simple reading. It's a shame that laziness results in people choosing a shitty remake over the original experience.
5-Of course you won't read the study. You aren't interested in real evidence....only arguments with no merit. It is scientifically impossible to get the same experience from a subtitled film as a non-subtitled film. The reasons are plain. Add up all the "half seconds" over the course of a movie and that's how much time you didn't watch what the director meant for you to watch.
People who like the first movie are "too lazy to read the book" I guess. And LMI is hardly "shitty"
1. I guess I'll just have to explain this again. A movie is never "needed", as with any other movie, but obviously people still want them because they are enjoyable. And when one movie based on a book has been made (LtROI, Harry Potter, Twilight, whatever) it usually stays as "one movie per book" unless the movie becomes very old and deserves a remake or it wasn't very good. LtROI was neither of these things. It was new and great. Yet they made LMI anyway. Bullshit.
1-You started out great. Allowing people to have what they want. You see that when it's LTROI. But you suddenly don't think people should get what they want when it's LMI. ...Then you want to take over and protest they are "too lazy" to do what YOU want.
2. Uh, I already told you twice that I know there are differences. :/ But like I also already said, the similarities overshadow them. Oh, and I'm very curious about these "good reasons" they had for ripping off the original movie. Please, do enlighten me with your wisdom. And again, sorry, but LMI was chosen because it was shorter. XD No matter how much you want it to have a "oh~ deeper reason~" it's just not true.
2-The name change was done to the novel in the US. They just used it for the movie to prevent confusion. That simple. But it also fits the story in LMI better. LTROI has a "right" and a "wrong"....LMI deconstructs that idea. The main characters are not fully "good" or "bad". The audience is put into position to root for Thomas and Abby when innocent people are in conflict with them. The moral themes are not explored in LTROI.
@Louchan2 One of the central themes of LMI is the nature of evil. This is a lot more complex question that a simple 'good' vs. 'evil' story. It begins with the Ronald Reagan's evil empire speech. In Reeves' version the good is based on a shaky foundation. The community is isolating rather than supportive. They also face the evils of addiction. The school is filled with bullies, and the family is divided against itself. What should be intrinsically good, is rooted in evil.
@Louchan2 Contrast this to an obvious evil -- the blood-sucking demon next door. Except Abby is not wholly evil, just as America is not wholly good.
Owen has no clear answer in his own house. His mom promotes religion as "good"...his father calls it "crap". This is not a superficial narrative with cardboard villains and heroes. Much deeper than LTROI.
@HarpoSpoke Actually I don´t really think LTROI is so much about "good" vs. "evil" as being a story which explores primal instincts; the violent nature of man which lurks inside nearly everyone. Even those you might perceive as being good.
@Nekhet That sounds reasonable. The two movies really are quite different when you spend some time thinking about them. The shot of Owen stealing money from his mom while "Jesus" watches is all part of the "nature of good/evil" in LMI. LTROI really didn't go in that direction.
@HarpoSpoke Well, if you are talking about religious aspects then I don´t think Sweden is the type of country to feature that sort of thing very often in films and other types of fiction. The same goes for almost all the other countries in Scandinavia..
I think, maybe, it would make more sense in the American remake than the Swedish original.
@Nekhet That may be true. I can't speak for Sweden, but the US does have a strong religious undercurrent which urges people to think of good and evil in black and white terms. LMI was able to play off that and deconstruct it. Almost all the characters are shades of grey.
@HarpoSpoke Which I think is very nicely done by the makers of LMI. Many American films tend to be very stereotypical about certain subjects and themes, but sometimes Hollywood is capable of making a film that does´nt follow the rules..
@Nekhet Agreed. After seeing so many cardboard cutout black and white "heroes" and "villains" over the years, LMI was a breath of fresh air....that actually gave me food for thought.
@Louchan2 Since every single one of the main characters is different in LMI, the similarities only "overshadow" them if you are blindly devoted to LTROI or just don't watch movies very closely. I'm sure it seems that way on the surface.
There was no "ripping off"...because the Swedish producers of LTROI were trying to sell the rights before LTROI was even released. It was THEIR idea. And they were paid for it. Also..LMI is not shorter....it actually is slower paced than LTROI.
3. I still say they smelled success. Do tell, why do you think the reasons were bought? For the lulz?
4. And regardless if Hammer is an UK studio or not, it doesn't change the fact that LMI is listed as both a UK and US production.
5. Oh yeah, shame on me for not reading a freaking study about subtitles... ;_; I bet it was sooo interesting and rewarding too. Oh, impossible, huh? I guess your study told you that. XD I guess I'm an existence that contradicts that "science" then.
3-You can SAY they "smelled success"...but that 100% speculation on your part. There was no "success" when the rights were sold. Of course they had hopes for it...that applies to EVERY movie. But there wasn't a line of US studios bidding for the rights. That's how a small British studio got them.
4-And they can list it anyway they want. That doesn't change where Hammer studios is located. It doesn't make Simon Oakes a US citizen. Overture still vanishes overseas.
5-It was interesting. Because it explores scientific reasons for why subtitles are a negative. You are claiming things that are scientifically impossible. You are also claiming your personal view should apply to EVERYONE ("subtitles don't bother ME!")
You are willing to tolerate the negative consequences of subtitles...and that's fine. But when you insist everyone should tolerate them, that's where you overstep your bounds and become an elitist.
@HarpoSpoke "The reasons are plain. Add up all the "half seconds" over the course of a movie and that's how much time you didn't watch what the director meant for you to watch."
And that´s why you watch (good) movies more than once:D
2-Every single character is vastly different in LMI.
Abby is a girl, Eli is a boy. Gender is the single biggest change you can make to a character and changes everything about the dynamic between her and Owen. Eli watches Oskar.
Owen is a lonely boy who longs for companionship. Oskar is a loner who doesn't want companionship. Owen watches Abby.
Thomas is a lifelong companion to Abby. Hakan is a pedo who has been with Eli for a short time. That changes everything about them both.
2- (cont) The Cop is an innocent who does not come to the apartment to kill Abby. Lacke is an unsympathetic drunk who is there to kill Eli. That makes it easy to root for Eli and against Lacke. LMI has a deeper purpose and asks the audience to root against an innocent Cop. It's supposed to be uncomfortable.
That's why the name change is needed. "Let the Right One In" means there is a WRONG one. Let Me In does not put moral labels on any character and preserves the ambiguity.
3-There was no "success". The Swedish producers of LTROI were trying to sell LONG before LTROI was even released. Hammer is a small studio. If this was a "successful property" there is no way Hammer could have gotten the rights. They can't outbid a big US studio. You obviously don't know the story behind why the rights were being sold.
4-Hammer (British) bought the rights and made all the decisions. Overture is the US distributor who disappear when the movie leaves the US
5. Uh, no. If subtitles affect your movie experience, then you're a bad reader. In my country we grow up with subtitled movies. It takes about half a second to look down and read the text, it takes away nothing from the experience. I think it's downright retarded to think that every good movie that's made in an non-english speaking country needs to be remade in order to have any viewing pleasure. Not wanting to read subtitles = laziness. Simple as that.
@Louchan2 What about watching the movie rather than reading the book? How does that affect your ever so active lifestyle? If we are lazy for making an english version,than it is safe to say Europe is lazy for not reading the book in the first place. I know I read it,watched both films and was still equally entertained.
Lots of lol at you for saying that that all of Europe are lazy for having one country making a movie based on a book. Oh wow, that's quite a claim. XD
5-You just contradicted yourself. You just admitted it takes half a second to look down and read the subtitles and then claimed it takes "nothing" away from the viewing experience. Obviously no director puts in moments they don't want you to watch.
The usual supreme arrogance. Suggesting there is something wrong with anyone who doesn't want to read subtitles. EVERYTHING about watching movies is "want to". Subtitles are no different. That's why sound replaced silent movies.
@Louchan2 I'll send you a study via private message which was done illustrating the negative effects that subtitles have on the viewing experience since you can't seem to fathom it.
@Louchan2 5-Subtitles are a preference in movies and DO negatively impact the viewing experience. Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean other people have to watch them. There is a reason why movies with sound replaced silent movies with subtitles in the 1930s. Movies are a visual medium. No director fills the movie with moments he doesn't want you to watch while you read subtitles. It is scientifically impossible to give full attention to the screen while reading subs.
@HarpoSpoke I disagree: If you are used to reading subtitles, you don´t think it´s a drawback. And think it´s quite possible to follow both the subtitles and the images/sound. But then again: I´m used to it;)
Besides it would be quite sad if people rejected a good film/movie just because it does´nt feature their language..
BTW: Where have you found these "scientific" proofs that reading subtitles takes away attention from the screen??
@chubsoda Eli shows Oscar how he became a vampire. There’s a couple of boys and a man in a hall, they sitting around a table or something. The man throws a pair of dice, in this number two and number four, and that means that boy number six is chosen, and Elias is number six. He been carried into a small room there the castration take place. The castration takes place before they turn him into a vampire
It is pretty simple, ltroi is for movie buffs. It's more poetic and smarter than lmi, aswell as better cinematography.The american version is for people who like dumb 'hollywood' films and just want violence etc. lmi wont win any oscars
@fallentwig 1-Not really. There is nothing "Hollywood" about LMI at all. It's as far from a mainstream movie as it gets. It was even nominated for an Independent Film award. No big stars, no big budget.
2-LTROI never had a chance at an Oscar either. It wasn't even nominated. Nor for a Golden Globe.
3-LTROI won awards competing against lesser competition. It wasn't competing against The Dark Knight or the other best movies of that that year. It was in the "best foreign language film"
@fallentwig 4-LTROI was not original either. The book came first. And the movie "Dawn" came out in 2003. (Vampire girl is taken care of by her father) The book Vampire Junction came out in 1984 (castrated boy vampire)
5-100% opinion. I can counter that with....No...LMI was superior to the original. See how easy that is?
The thing is about America and Canada is that our young people are professional actors even at a young age. Just like " rachelsOne" said Amatures compared to trained actors.
@Adele016 They benefited from Alfredson's skill. You'll note they didn't win many awards for their acting. (3 wins total between them) Kodi already has 3 wins alone and Chloe has 8 wins and more total wins for LMI than Kare and Lina combined for LTROI (4).
As the years continue to pass without Kare and Lina doing anything of note, we'll see what filmmakers really thought of them.
@HarpoSpoke Chloe won eight awards, ok. But, wait, I said "around the world". She won just American awards... oh man, bullshit! Well, I know, Sweden is not a movie-making machine like the USA. And Lina and Käre doesn't have an acting career. But at the lest LTROI is not a carbon-copy of another movie. Have a nice day.
@HarpoSpoke I think there is a small difference.... Lina is Swedish, so when she gets an award in America, she gets an international award. Can you understand? Well, at one point you're right. LMI is not a carbon copy. LMI is as unique as The Grudge, The Ring, Quarantine, Dark Water... XD
@Mikemugee Really, im sorry, but the soundtrack of LTROI is beautiful. Lina Leandersson and Kare Hedebrant gives a wonderful performance. And LTROI has a beautiful cinematography. So... why remake a perfect movie? I know why... that's cause Americans are too lazy to read subtitles and have no creativity. I see no other reason, sorry.
@chubsoda I read that too. He also explains in an interview that he didn't think children were capable of taking in the whole script so he just fed them each scene day by day.
I don't think I agree with his assessment. Both Chloe and Kodi read the LMI script and were even asked to write a backstory for their characters. I could not imagine a director not letting Robert Di Nero read the script. Acting is more than a surface art. It comes from deep inside. You must know the character.
@chubsoda Thank you, illiterate Americans without a global paradigm always put down the original if it's not american. I loathe to see how they will ruin The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.
Every single LMI fan I know has seen the original film and regularly watch foreign language films. "They" won't "ruin" Girl with the Dragon Tattoo...it will be exactly the same. If you don't like the remake....don't watch it. Easy problem to solve.
"...To have not only one, but two excellent versions of my debut novel done for the screen feels unreal. Let the Right One In is a great Swedish movie. Let Me In is a great American movie. There are notable similarities... But Let Me In puts the emotional pressure in different places...Like the Swedish movie it made me cry, but not at the same points...I am grateful. Again."
-John Ajvide Lindqvist, author of Let the Right One In
moreover,the couple Ely / Oskar, has more chemicals than Abby / Owen, let me know becausemaking a remake of a film just 2 years of the same?, if you end up being just a copycheap, read the book, I saw both films, Believe me I know what I'm talking about, also,the camera movements are exactly the same, but taken from a different angle, it is notpossible in my full and humble opinion, I prefer the Swedish film, and The Book
@FannyVaskz I read the book and saw both movies too. LMI is the best version for me.
If the camera movements are different they can't be "exactly the same". You should also research why LMI was made so quickly. The Swedish producers of LTROI sold the rights before that movie was even released because no one thought it would be seen by anyone. THEY are the ones that wanted a remake before anyone else did.
@HarpoSpoke Yes has a point, but it was badly needed to make just 2 years Remake of the Original Version, plus Swedish version is better, ok, has a smaller budget, but it is more original, also insist the couple has more chemistry, and the girl Vampire has the character changes that are marked in the book, the American version on the other hand is just entertainment
@FannyVaskz Which one is "better" depends on who you are talking to. LMI is better to me. I found the acting to be much better in LMI. I don't think "just entertainment" is a bad thing even if that described LMI properly...which I don't think it does. Movies are certainly allowed to entertain people!
Seriously... on almost every LMI/LTROI video I ever saw, I see you defending LMI and supporting yourself with all your fake accounts... don't you have anything better to do?
@HarpoSpoke@HarpoSpoke "I only do it because of the LTROI fans who started attacking LMI"
How about defending a movie because it is legitimately better, noit because purists think it's crap. If it weren't crap you could defend its cinematic merits.
@rachelsOne Are you calling LTROI fans "purists"? I don't think people who whine because other people like a movie they think they shouldn't like are "purists".....they are just fanboys raging because other people dare to like a different movie.
Explain how LMI is the 8th best reviewed movie of 2010 if it's "crap". You point is void of all logic.
@HarpoSpoke I don't care what you think and don't ask me if I mean what I write, I ALWAYS mean what I write. Now shouldn't you be doing homeschooling as opposed to playing on you tube, you come off as a child.
@HarpoSpoke Yeah right. anytime a teen is unable to respond to an articulate and cogent argument, they refer to it as a "Rant" I am sorry you arte so stupid but until you can defend LMI using it's cinematic merits you would be better off not trying to debate an ADULT who is also a screenwriter. Fucking stupid teens make me sick.
@rachelsOne "Articulate"? Perhaps I should use more curse words so I can be "articulate" too?
I'll ask again...to clarify....are you saying LTROI fans are "purists"? Because that is ridiculous. There is nothing that makes you more pure than a fan who likes LMI.
@rachelsOne What you REALLY are is a petty elitists who paints entire cultures with a broad stereotyping brush. You cannot possibly fathom that a person could prefer LMI for artist reasons....you have to invent inane reasons like "jingoistic, xenophobic illiterates who hate Europe (unless they are worshipping Hitler or Neo Nazis) and can't read subtitles"
All because you cannot accept that other people may not share your narrow views.
@HarpoSpoke Ooh I'm a petty Elitist LMAO, well suck it up like an adult. You sound like a dimwitted teabagger who thinks that anyone who is educated is an elitist. Well I refuse to be a dumb as just to ease your insecurities.
@HarpoSpoke Don't question me just because you don't know what Elitist means. WTF is wrong with you? When an adult woman writes that she's had enough of your annoying behavior that's a clue to: Let It Go, oh and I am over 50 in case your thought that I was a child like you.
A Masters Degree in Knowledge Management IS proof of an education, so unless you want to debate the metaphorical implication of Autopoeisis I suggest that you get out of my face right now. It's OVER. We're DONE. Goodbye.
@rachelsOne You could at least spell "Autopoiesis" correctly when you are attempting to make yourself look "more intelligent than you buddy".
While we are discussing things that have nothing to do with these movies, let's dive into the use of the Phrygian mode in flamenco music. Do you prefer the use of 10 gauge strings or 9 gauge? I find tuning down a half-step helps with the action of the instrument myself.
@HarpoSpoke Apparently it's not since you want to be a fucking asshole and keep trying to have the last word. Seriously is it that deformity that protrudes from your body that makes you behave so abnormally? Also since you keep sending messages you obviously want to prolong the dialectic so discuss the metaphorical implications of Autopoeisis in the context of organizational development.. Don't just keep writing stupid "Just Checking" or "Last Post?" bullshit.
@rachelsOne So that WASN'T your last post. I'm thinking you are the one with a burning need to have the "last word". How many times did you claim you were "done"?
This is just typing. Not really that big a deal. I take it you don't want to discuss bending techniques or the use of natural harmonics in the key of E? How about the proper form on a jump shot?
@rachelsOne Let's start with the acting. The actors in LMI are world-class actors. The actors in LTROI are armatures. There are several moments in LTROI were you can clearly see mistakes and wooden acting.
The directing is stellar in both movies....but they are not directed the same way at all. I happen to prefer the Hitchockian touches in LMI.
The cinematography is warmer in LMI and that adds to the emotional impact for me. Others prefer the colder look of LTROI.
@HarpoSpoke Why are you continuing with this? I don't want to communicate on this topic anymore. Sheesh why do guys think if they receive a comment that it's an open invitation toestablish an ongoing online relationship? You should have made you argument ion the beginning and now have drawn it oput so long.
Still Reeves relied on hokey special effects b/c Americans are too thick to get subtlety.
I did not nee 2 see glowing eyes 2 know that Eli is a vampire.
@rachelsOne The physical changes for the vampire come from the novel. Understandable if you don't like what LMI changed, but it is in the source material. And the novel wasn't written by an "American"....Lindquist is Swedish.
@HarpoSpoke I never said I didn't like LMI. It's an okay movie, LTROI is just better. Yes I visit videos of the remake of one of my favourite movies. And you turn things around, it's the LMI fans who are attacking LTROI. There's nothing wrong with defending something you like when its 'attacked', but it seems like you are purposely dissing LTROI even when you aren't attacked. Why is that neccesary? It's people like you who give me the idea I should defend LTROI.
@Daphuhnuh You need to visit the IMDB boards for the truth. LTROI fans were attacking LMI MONTHS before it was released.....and they are still there attacking it daily. LMI fans, by contrast, don't do that on the LTROI boards....so let's not pretend this isn't all LTROI fans, shall we?
You think LTROI is better....cool....but LMI fans certainly don't agree with that. LTROI is only better for YOU. We all get to like what we like.
I don't know what happened on IMBD boards, I don't post there, I judge only on what I see on YouTube. You're right that LTROI is better for me just like LMI is better for you. And yeah that's fine, so I don't see why you should be posting about how 'superior' LMI is everywhere all the time. Give it a rest. Just have your opinion, respect others and leave it at that.
@Daphuhnuh You going to jump on LTROI fans who can never stop claiming how "superior" LTROI is? Or do you somehow not notice them? There is a nice comment from a LTROI fan along those lines right below this one....now's your chance.
Matt Revers, just take a good history, and will modify Almost Nothing , In additionto remove characters that are important in the book, and focused on the policepersecution of the murderer ritual which leads me to think, because it would focus moreon that topic, could not do it in a better way ?, showing the whole process?
let the right one in was made for the swedish audiens. and it reflects the time to but if you areent from sweden you wont understand it in the same way.
John Ajvide Lindqvist has written a short novel about what happen to Oscar (Owen) and Elias "Eli" (Abby) after the book and I have read it and it's a very good ending of a very good book.
@Wesker10000 Yes...it is a collection of his short stories. The one with Eli and Oskar isn't actually about them....but we get to see what happens next.
@Wesker10000 Yes. It's called "Let the Old Dreams Die". Should be out in English soon. (for those of us "too lazy to learn to read Swedish" hee hee...).
@Wesker10000 Yes, the name of it in Swedish are "Låt de gamla drömmarna dö", in english "Let the old dreams die", and it's a short story in a whole book written by John Ajvide Lindqvist, and it's a lot of different short stories. The name of the book is the same, but I don't know if it's translated into English yet, but I hope so, because it's really worth reading.
@Wesker10000 Yes, the name of it in Swedish are "Låt de gamla drömmarna dö", in english "Let the old dreams die", and it's a short story in a whole book written by John Ajvide Lindqvist, and it's a lot of different short stories. The name of the book is the same, but I don't know if it's translated into En
glish yet, but I hope so, because it's really worth reading.
I have seen both versions of the movie, and I must say that I like LTROI best in many ways, but that doesn't mean that I dislike LMI. Sure, LMI is darker in some ways. If you read the book you know that Eli (Abby) is actually a boy, and his name¨is Elias. LMI also took away Lacke and Virginia, and I like their love. Sure, Kåre and Lina are amateurs but they are good actors. Matt Freeman also showed his version what will happen with Owen after the movie, but it's not the same as JAL version.
I don't think any of them is better than the other, some people will enjoy one version more than the other and that's pretty much it. I like LTROI more than the remake only because it was an original idea and both camera work and sound effects were a lot more effective but Let Me In is still an amazing movie and the best remake that I ever saw with excellent new shots. I give 10 to both!!!
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I loved LTROI, it was brilliant and dramatic and Iyou could feel emotionally involved with the characters, but in LMI I found it less interesting and harder to get in to. I loved Eli in LTROI and at the end I felt sorry for Eli, not the dead boys
wow, i thought like dogtooth, those german guys are like the best, cause there the original in making movies, in this not the dark lighting style, the ackward angles, and quiet scenes, but i was wrong, american companies got it in the bad inside and out U_U_U_U amazing stuff, i love let me in :D
javieralzahome 1 month ago
@javieralzahome It should be pointed out that LMI was made by a British studio. :) Can't give the Americans credit for that.
HarpoSpoke 1 month ago
@HarpoSpoke oh snapz im ashamed now, brtish are awesome sauce epic, :D my badness maynngg ^__________^
javieralzahome 1 month ago
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i liked 'Let The Right One In' the best :D
imnanimeluvr 1 month ago
@imnanimeluvr Why so many negative votes for this comment? It's an opinion.
jcckidz 1 month ago
@jcckidz I know! but oh well. no big deal. everyone has a right to their own opinion. i dont really give a shit if they dont like mine.
imnanimeluvr 1 month ago
i like the book the best
xjpnfanx 1 month ago
I don't know if I was the only one who noticed this, but in LTROI it seemed rushed, quick... But in LMI it seemed to be more in detail, and explain the situation more. I'm not trying to diss it or anything, it just seemed like it to me. I like LMI better. :)
singingjustice12181 2 months ago 12
i like both versions and i don´t think one can truly compare them . the swedish original sticks very close to the book, eli is an enigma, and i really like that the actors don´t have this 'clean+polished' look most in hollywood have - you see badly bleached hair, crooked teeth, in other words: normal people, which gives the movie an authentic feeling. the american remake though focuses more on owen and his relationship to abby which is also great. basically, i like both, and love the book ;-)
PeyaLuna 4 months ago 15
Let Me In was better I think. Let the Right One In, Eli is suppose to be a dude, that's just not my thing. Chloe makes a better kid vampire than the other girl. Long live Chloe and Long Live Hit Girl!!!
Falagar517 5 months ago 12
Yes, "Let Me In" is a very good film, but it doesn't hold its own with Let The Right One In. Not a hope in hell does it. Anybody that thinks the American version is better either hasn't seen the original, doesn't like having to read subtitles, or just doesn't recognise master film-making when it reaches up and violently bites them in the neck. Besides, Eli is a much deeper and more complex character than Abby., which automatically makes him more interesting.
RealDougal 5 months ago
@RealDougal I saw LTROI first, watch subtitled movies all the time, and love well-crafted films...
And I like LMI much more. Guess your theory doesn't hold up. Maybe you should add a few more "reasons" that don't fit your elitist attitude about people who like things you don't believe they "should like".
I find Abby the more interesting character because you're never sure what her motivation is. Unlike LTROI there is no "right one" or "wrong one" in LMI. Ambiguity is more interesting.
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago 10
LTRON had U guess what was going on
LMI Had it all for u to watch.
I think they both were good, but I liked the Remake.
My College Director was wrong. He said the remake would wreck the whole story.
natasajessica 5 months ago 26
@natasajessica The thing is that it did wreck the story. The novel in the way Lindqvist wrote it is meant to be subtle, it is supposed to leave much to the mind of the reader or spectator. While LTROI translates the silence and quietness of the novel to the big screen, Matt Reeves simply changed the story to his own like and turned it into a horror film. With the remake, almost all of the feeling between the characters is lost in the script focused (cont)
OdiumVacuus 1 month ago
@OdiumVacuus Exactly the opposite for me. The original was good but more simplisic. There is a clear "right and wrong"...it's even in the title. LMI went deeper into the idea of moral certainy and deconstructed it.
ThePutupafight 1 month ago 3
@ThePutupafight The ''right'' part is there because the title is a reference to the song of the same title by Morrissey, whom Lindqvist is a very avid fan of.
I found the theme you mentioned more obvious in LMI, where the kids somehow find themselves questioning it explicitly in a way a 12 year old kid wouldn't, like when Owen asks ''is there such thing as evil?''. The fact a kid that age would blatantly start speaking of it feels too blatant, to the point in which it's cheesy.
OdiumVacuus 1 month ago
@ThePutupafight The ''right'' part is there because the title is a reference to the song of the same title by Morrissey, whom Lindqvist is a very avid fan of.
I found the theme you mentioned more obvious in LMI, where the kids somehow find themselves questioning it explicitly in a way a 12 year old kid wouldn't, like when Owen asks ''is there such thing as evil?''. The fact a kid that age would blatantly start speaking of it feels too blatant, to the point in which it's cheesy.
OdiumVacuus 1 month ago
@OdiumVacuus There is a reason why Lindquist chose that song. There is a "right one" in the story. He didn't choose it because it didn't fit the story.
Since Owen has been preached at by his mother and his President about a clear "evil" in the world, he is naturally going to wonder if Abby fits that description. If he ANSWERED the question that would be hard to believe...but ASKING it is perfectly normal. He doesn't get an answer either...I don't think he knows the answer at the end.
ThePutupafight 1 month ago
@ThePutupafight But the title's the main point of the story. You're not going to go far as to tell me Reeves did a better job in the movie than JAL did in the novel, right?
Yes, but again, he's a 12 year old. I do not remember even grasping at the relativity of these things verbally up to a much older age. It just feels unnatural. While Oskar/Owen experiences this doubt, it is better left as something internal which the audience can infer rather than an explicitly stated theme.
OdiumVacuus 1 month ago
@OdiumVacuus There is no "better". There is only what we like more as individuals. I like what Reeves did more.
All Owen knows is that he has been told there is good and there is evil. They are supposed to be very clear concepts and easy to recognize. Now...along comes Abby and she is not so black and white as good or evil. So his value system is in disarray. He asks the questions...he's not answering them.
ThePutupafight 1 month ago
@natasajessica (part 2) in the horror while explicitly exposing the story's secrets in an uninteresting way.
OdiumVacuus 1 month ago
Let the Right One In was a masterpiece! The remake was...well...Hollywood...
ptroinks 6 months ago
I like LMI main characters better.... then LTROI t girl u must be crazy
sam29298 6 months ago
The remake is good enough, it's almost an exact copy of the original. I have seen the movie with english subtitles. I think if you buy the bluray, the subtitles are gonna be extremely accurate. The original movie is in swedish, i haven't seen an english dub. I highly recommend reading the book after watching this, the book gives you some extra details (creepy btw).
phillibot 6 months ago
Not attempted to see the remake as I loved the original and remakes tend to suck...is it worth checking out?
bonakent 6 months ago
@bonakent Yes, it is defiantely worth your time! In my personal opinion, LTROI was scarier... but LMI was overall the better film. It was more deeper, the characters were more lovable, the imagery was beautiful, and, let's face it, Abbey&Owen were much more fun to watch than Eli&Oskar. Granted though I never seen the original and only the remake and I have read the original book, as well.
FleetStreetPhantom17 5 months ago
is the film let the right one in, in english?
because every trailer i have seen, it only has English subtitles
bekki363 6 months ago
The original is better. =p
anikid0392 6 months ago
I have not yet seen "Let Me In," but I really thought its Swedish predecessor - for all intents and purposes - was flawlessly executed. When I finally do get around to seeing "Let Me In," I hope that I can not only appreciate it to the same degree, but that I finally understand why someone thought it was necessary to take a second approach (beyond the studios cashing in).
chimpiki 6 months ago
LET THE RIGHT ONE IN IS BETTER!!!
TXxDuskxXH 7 months ago
Let the Right One In is, and always will be, the better film.
A remake was completely unnecessary. It wasn't "another movie based on the book", it was a complete rip-off of the Swedish film. The US needs to learn that subtitles aren't of the devil and you don't need to remake every good foreign movie just because Americans are too lazy to read.
Louchan2 7 months ago
@Louchan2 Lots of mistakes in your post.
1-No movie ever made is "necessary". We didn't need the first movie either...we already had the book.
2-The two movies are not the same if you bother to watch on a more than superficial level. Are you "too lazy" to think about movies you watch?
3-LMI was made because the Swedish producers of LTROI were aggressively selling the rights before LTROI was even released...not because "Americans are too lazy to read".
4-Hammer is a British studio.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
1. Do you think we need another Twilight movie? Or another Harry Potter movie? No. Because one movie, as long as it's good and not old, is enough.
2. The US movie was a blatant rip-off from the Swedish movie. A couple of changes here and there does not change that.
3. The rights were bought and a movie was made. Not because they were "forced" onto anyone through "aggressive selling", but because the US saw success and wanted a piece of it.
4. The movie is marked as both US and UK
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2 Pretty much wrong on every single point.
1-We don't "need" ANY movie. The human race survived for thousands of years before movies existed. We got along fine with books for hundreds of years. Why did they make the first movie? Because people are "too lazy to read the book". There is nothing wrong with the book...but people prefer the story in the form of a movie. People are allowed to like stories in a format they like.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
1. Good job missing my point.
2. Unfortunately, the differences between the two movies still does not overshadow the rip-off that LMI is. LMI took near nothing from the original book that LtROI hadn't already. In fact, it took all the big changes that LtROI had made from the book. (Eli/Abby eating the candy instead of just refusing, etc...) So no matter how much you try to point out every change made from the original story, the fact that LMI ripped off LtROI is still clear as day.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2 1-Your point doesn't make any sense. No film is needed.
2-You watch film in a very superficial way if you can't see the differences. And there is a very good reason why they used JAL's screenplay if you bother to find out the circumstances behind this.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 2
@HarpoSpoke
2. (cont) Lulz, "LMI has a deeper purpose"... XD Now that's rich. And uh, no, the title "Let Me In" was used because they thought "Let the Right One In" was too long. Your attempt at making a shitty remake seem deep failed again.
3. "There was no success". Oh yeah, because a movie winning 50 international awards and being nominated to another 13 more isn't successful at all.
4. And yet it's still referred to as an US film.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2
2-The title makes more sense no matter what reason it was used. There is no moral judgment in the LMI title which allows the examination of the nature of good/evil to thrive. (something the first movie did NOT do)
3-Once again....The Swedes sold the rights BEFORE there were any awards....so OBVIOUSLY that's not why Hammer bought the rights.
4-A lot of people being wrong does not prove they are right. They will never transform Hammer into a US studio.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 2
@HarpoSpoke
5. Oh my god... XD Uh, no, sorry, but I'm not gonna read a study about why "subtitles are bad" when I've grown up with them. And no, I didn't contradict myself. Having to look down for half a second does not take away from a movie experience. You wanna know what really takes away a movie experience? Not watching the movie at all because you're incapable to do some simple reading. It's a shame that laziness results in people choosing a shitty remake over the original experience.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2
5-Of course you won't read the study. You aren't interested in real evidence....only arguments with no merit. It is scientifically impossible to get the same experience from a subtitled film as a non-subtitled film. The reasons are plain. Add up all the "half seconds" over the course of a movie and that's how much time you didn't watch what the director meant for you to watch.
People who like the first movie are "too lazy to read the book" I guess. And LMI is hardly "shitty"
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 3
@HarpoSpoke
1. I guess I'll just have to explain this again. A movie is never "needed", as with any other movie, but obviously people still want them because they are enjoyable. And when one movie based on a book has been made (LtROI, Harry Potter, Twilight, whatever) it usually stays as "one movie per book" unless the movie becomes very old and deserves a remake or it wasn't very good. LtROI was neither of these things. It was new and great. Yet they made LMI anyway. Bullshit.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2
1-You started out great. Allowing people to have what they want. You see that when it's LTROI. But you suddenly don't think people should get what they want when it's LMI. ...Then you want to take over and protest they are "too lazy" to do what YOU want.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 3
@HarpoSpoke
2. Uh, I already told you twice that I know there are differences. :/ But like I also already said, the similarities overshadow them. Oh, and I'm very curious about these "good reasons" they had for ripping off the original movie. Please, do enlighten me with your wisdom. And again, sorry, but LMI was chosen because it was shorter. XD No matter how much you want it to have a "oh~ deeper reason~" it's just not true.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2
2-The name change was done to the novel in the US. They just used it for the movie to prevent confusion. That simple. But it also fits the story in LMI better. LTROI has a "right" and a "wrong"....LMI deconstructs that idea. The main characters are not fully "good" or "bad". The audience is put into position to root for Thomas and Abby when innocent people are in conflict with them. The moral themes are not explored in LTROI.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 2
@Louchan2 One of the central themes of LMI is the nature of evil. This is a lot more complex question that a simple 'good' vs. 'evil' story. It begins with the Ronald Reagan's evil empire speech. In Reeves' version the good is based on a shaky foundation. The community is isolating rather than supportive. They also face the evils of addiction. The school is filled with bullies, and the family is divided against itself. What should be intrinsically good, is rooted in evil.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 6
@Louchan2 Contrast this to an obvious evil -- the blood-sucking demon next door. Except Abby is not wholly evil, just as America is not wholly good.
Owen has no clear answer in his own house. His mom promotes religion as "good"...his father calls it "crap". This is not a superficial narrative with cardboard villains and heroes. Much deeper than LTROI.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 6
@HarpoSpoke Actually I don´t really think LTROI is so much about "good" vs. "evil" as being a story which explores primal instincts; the violent nature of man which lurks inside nearly everyone. Even those you might perceive as being good.
But that is just how I understood the film:)
Nekhet 5 months ago
@Nekhet That sounds reasonable. The two movies really are quite different when you spend some time thinking about them. The shot of Owen stealing money from his mom while "Jesus" watches is all part of the "nature of good/evil" in LMI. LTROI really didn't go in that direction.
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Well, if you are talking about religious aspects then I don´t think Sweden is the type of country to feature that sort of thing very often in films and other types of fiction. The same goes for almost all the other countries in Scandinavia..
I think, maybe, it would make more sense in the American remake than the Swedish original.
Nekhet 5 months ago
@Nekhet That may be true. I can't speak for Sweden, but the US does have a strong religious undercurrent which urges people to think of good and evil in black and white terms. LMI was able to play off that and deconstruct it. Almost all the characters are shades of grey.
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Which I think is very nicely done by the makers of LMI. Many American films tend to be very stereotypical about certain subjects and themes, but sometimes Hollywood is capable of making a film that does´nt follow the rules..
Too bad there are so few of them (IMO)
Nekhet 5 months ago
@Nekhet Agreed. After seeing so many cardboard cutout black and white "heroes" and "villains" over the years, LMI was a breath of fresh air....that actually gave me food for thought.
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
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@HarpoSpoke True:) No matter which one people prefer, both movies are great in their own way.
Nekhet 5 months ago
@Nekhet Goodness, what's wrong with this comment that it got flagged?
jcckidz 1 month ago
@jcckidz Which comment??
Nekhet 1 month ago
@Louchan2 Since every single one of the main characters is different in LMI, the similarities only "overshadow" them if you are blindly devoted to LTROI or just don't watch movies very closely. I'm sure it seems that way on the surface.
There was no "ripping off"...because the Swedish producers of LTROI were trying to sell the rights before LTROI was even released. It was THEIR idea. And they were paid for it. Also..LMI is not shorter....it actually is slower paced than LTROI.
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
I thought this discussion ended a month ago. Are you desperate to come into contact with me or something?
Louchan2 5 months ago
@Louchan2 Not at all. You were just mistaken about the discussion ending. ;)
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
No, I wasn't. This discussion is over. I got tired of you 30 days ago and that hasn't changed. Good bye.
Louchan2 5 months ago
@Louchan2 If it was over you would not have responded.
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
@Louchan2 Are you the same one that kept saying they were "done" and kept coming back?
HarpoSpoke 5 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
3. I still say they smelled success. Do tell, why do you think the reasons were bought? For the lulz?
4. And regardless if Hammer is an UK studio or not, it doesn't change the fact that LMI is listed as both a UK and US production.
5. Oh yeah, shame on me for not reading a freaking study about subtitles... ;_; I bet it was sooo interesting and rewarding too. Oh, impossible, huh? I guess your study told you that. XD I guess I'm an existence that contradicts that "science" then.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2
3-You can SAY they "smelled success"...but that 100% speculation on your part. There was no "success" when the rights were sold. Of course they had hopes for it...that applies to EVERY movie. But there wasn't a line of US studios bidding for the rights. That's how a small British studio got them.
4-And they can list it anyway they want. That doesn't change where Hammer studios is located. It doesn't make Simon Oakes a US citizen. Overture still vanishes overseas.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 3
@Louchan2
5-It was interesting. Because it explores scientific reasons for why subtitles are a negative. You are claiming things that are scientifically impossible. You are also claiming your personal view should apply to EVERYONE ("subtitles don't bother ME!")
You are willing to tolerate the negative consequences of subtitles...and that's fine. But when you insist everyone should tolerate them, that's where you overstep your bounds and become an elitist.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago 3
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@HarpoSpoke "The reasons are plain. Add up all the "half seconds" over the course of a movie and that's how much time you didn't watch what the director meant for you to watch."
And that´s why you watch (good) movies more than once:D
Nekhet 5 months ago
@Nekhet This comment isn't spam!
jcckidz 1 month ago
@Louchan2
2-Every single character is vastly different in LMI.
Abby is a girl, Eli is a boy. Gender is the single biggest change you can make to a character and changes everything about the dynamic between her and Owen. Eli watches Oskar.
Owen is a lonely boy who longs for companionship. Oskar is a loner who doesn't want companionship. Owen watches Abby.
Thomas is a lifelong companion to Abby. Hakan is a pedo who has been with Eli for a short time. That changes everything about them both.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago
@Louchan2
2- (cont) The Cop is an innocent who does not come to the apartment to kill Abby. Lacke is an unsympathetic drunk who is there to kill Eli. That makes it easy to root for Eli and against Lacke. LMI has a deeper purpose and asks the audience to root against an innocent Cop. It's supposed to be uncomfortable.
That's why the name change is needed. "Let the Right One In" means there is a WRONG one. Let Me In does not put moral labels on any character and preserves the ambiguity.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago
@Louchan2
3-There was no "success". The Swedish producers of LTROI were trying to sell LONG before LTROI was even released. Hammer is a small studio. If this was a "successful property" there is no way Hammer could have gotten the rights. They can't outbid a big US studio. You obviously don't know the story behind why the rights were being sold.
4-Hammer (British) bought the rights and made all the decisions. Overture is the US distributor who disappear when the movie leaves the US
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
5. Uh, no. If subtitles affect your movie experience, then you're a bad reader. In my country we grow up with subtitled movies. It takes about half a second to look down and read the text, it takes away nothing from the experience. I think it's downright retarded to think that every good movie that's made in an non-english speaking country needs to be remade in order to have any viewing pleasure. Not wanting to read subtitles = laziness. Simple as that.
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2 What about watching the movie rather than reading the book? How does that affect your ever so active lifestyle? If we are lazy for making an english version,than it is safe to say Europe is lazy for not reading the book in the first place. I know I read it,watched both films and was still equally entertained.
KristiTink 6 months ago
@KristiTink
Lots of lol at you for saying that that all of Europe are lazy for having one country making a movie based on a book. Oh wow, that's quite a claim. XD
Louchan2 6 months ago
@Louchan2
5-You just contradicted yourself. You just admitted it takes half a second to look down and read the subtitles and then claimed it takes "nothing" away from the viewing experience. Obviously no director puts in moments they don't want you to watch.
The usual supreme arrogance. Suggesting there is something wrong with anyone who doesn't want to read subtitles. EVERYTHING about watching movies is "want to". Subtitles are no different. That's why sound replaced silent movies.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago
@Louchan2 I'll send you a study via private message which was done illustrating the negative effects that subtitles have on the viewing experience since you can't seem to fathom it.
HarpoSpoke 6 months ago
@Louchan2 5-Subtitles are a preference in movies and DO negatively impact the viewing experience. Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean other people have to watch them. There is a reason why movies with sound replaced silent movies with subtitles in the 1930s. Movies are a visual medium. No director fills the movie with moments he doesn't want you to watch while you read subtitles. It is scientifically impossible to give full attention to the screen while reading subs.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke I disagree: If you are used to reading subtitles, you don´t think it´s a drawback. And think it´s quite possible to follow both the subtitles and the images/sound. But then again: I´m used to it;)
Besides it would be quite sad if people rejected a good film/movie just because it does´nt feature their language..
BTW: Where have you found these "scientific" proofs that reading subtitles takes away attention from the screen??
Nekhet 5 months ago
@chubsoda Eli shows Oscar how he became a vampire. There’s a couple of boys and a man in a hall, they sitting around a table or something. The man throws a pair of dice, in this number two and number four, and that means that boy number six is chosen, and Elias is number six. He been carried into a small room there the castration take place. The castration takes place before they turn him into a vampire
vaxjoleksing 7 months ago
It is pretty simple, ltroi is for movie buffs. It's more poetic and smarter than lmi, aswell as better cinematography.The american version is for people who like dumb 'hollywood' films and just want violence etc. lmi wont win any oscars
fallentwig 7 months ago
@fallentwig 1-Hammer Studios is not a Hollywood studio
2-LTROI didn't win any Oscars either (wasn't even nominated)
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke
1 - I put hollywood in speech marks for you're benefit. It's a 'hollywood' style american remake.
2- I never stated that ltroi won oscars, just that lmi would never have a chance
3 - ltroi won tons of awards
4 - lmi wasn't original, just a copy
5 - Every american remake has been inferior to the original, they always spoil it
fallentwig 7 months ago
@fallentwig 1-Not really. There is nothing "Hollywood" about LMI at all. It's as far from a mainstream movie as it gets. It was even nominated for an Independent Film award. No big stars, no big budget.
2-LTROI never had a chance at an Oscar either. It wasn't even nominated. Nor for a Golden Globe.
3-LTROI won awards competing against lesser competition. It wasn't competing against The Dark Knight or the other best movies of that that year. It was in the "best foreign language film"
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@fallentwig 4-LTROI was not original either. The book came first. And the movie "Dawn" came out in 2003. (Vampire girl is taken care of by her father) The book Vampire Junction came out in 1984 (castrated boy vampire)
5-100% opinion. I can counter that with....No...LMI was superior to the original. See how easy that is?
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@chubsoda He explains his reasoning in this vid: /watch?v=U55Y24JvN00&NR=1
Go to about 1:00. He does not think children are capable of reading and understanding an entire script.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
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Adele016 7 months ago
I like LMI main charecters better.... then LTROI
Mikemugee 7 months ago 65
@Mikemugee LTROI has more of the reality side
Skoomax 7 months ago
@Mikemugee I like the book better:)
Nekhet 5 months ago
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Adele016 7 months ago
The thing is about America and Canada is that our young people are professional actors even at a young age. Just like " rachelsOne" said Amatures compared to trained actors.
Mikemugee 7 months ago
@Mikemugee Agreed. The actors in LTROI were amateurs.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@Mikemugee If Lina and Kare are amateurs, Chloe and Kodi are below amateur level. C´mon... this remake is pathetic and you know it.
Adele016 7 months ago
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HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@Adele016 I don't think Scorsese hires amateurs.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Can you read this? I said IF! .... Anyway, LTROI has won 40 awards around the world. Not bad for two amateurs.
Adele016 7 months ago
@Adele016 They benefited from Alfredson's skill. You'll note they didn't win many awards for their acting. (3 wins total between them) Kodi already has 3 wins alone and Chloe has 8 wins and more total wins for LMI than Kare and Lina combined for LTROI (4).
As the years continue to pass without Kare and Lina doing anything of note, we'll see what filmmakers really thought of them.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Chloe won eight awards, ok. But, wait, I said "around the world". She won just American awards... oh man, bullshit! Well, I know, Sweden is not a movie-making machine like the USA. And Lina and Käre doesn't have an acting career. But at the lest LTROI is not a carbon-copy of another movie. Have a nice day.
Adele016 7 months ago
@Adele016 True that Chloe didn't win "The Chainsaw Award" that Lina won. (It appears that Lina "won just American awards" too...bummer)
And since every single character in LMI is different from the LTROI version it's hardly a "carbon copy".
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke I think there is a small difference.... Lina is Swedish, so when she gets an award in America, she gets an international award. Can you understand? Well, at one point you're right. LMI is not a carbon copy. LMI is as unique as The Grudge, The Ring, Quarantine, Dark Water... XD
bye bye
Adele016 7 months ago
@Adele016 Oh...so you can praise American awards when you like the person that gets them! Nice!
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
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@Mikemugee Really, im sorry, but the soundtrack of LTROI is beautiful. Lina Leandersson and Kare Hedebrant gives a wonderful performance. And LTROI has a beautiful cinematography. So... why remake a perfect movie? I know why... that's cause Americans are too lazy to read subtitles and have no creativity. I see no other reason, sorry.
Adele016 7 months ago
Liked the remake better.
gdub6933 7 months ago 48
@chubsoda I read that too. He also explains in an interview that he didn't think children were capable of taking in the whole script so he just fed them each scene day by day.
I don't think I agree with his assessment. Both Chloe and Kodi read the LMI script and were even asked to write a backstory for their characters. I could not imagine a director not letting Robert Di Nero read the script. Acting is more than a surface art. It comes from deep inside. You must know the character.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@chubsoda Thank you, illiterate Americans without a global paradigm always put down the original if it's not american. I loathe to see how they will ruin The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
hey were not all americunts im an american and i loved the girl witht the dragon tatoo but in this case the remake was better then the original
j39292 7 months ago
@j39292 First of all, Im a WOMAN and take offense at the word "cunt". NO you're NOT an Americunt you're an AmeriDICK for assuming that I am a dude.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne Stereotype much?
Every single LMI fan I know has seen the original film and regularly watch foreign language films. "They" won't "ruin" Girl with the Dragon Tattoo...it will be exactly the same. If you don't like the remake....don't watch it. Easy problem to solve.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
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rachelsOne 7 months ago
and chloe is beautyull than that girl and kodi is handsome than that boy that the true
GlencyFashonitaz9 7 months ago 9
Let me in is better
Matt is better then tomas
GlencyFashonitaz9 7 months ago 9
"...To have not only one, but two excellent versions of my debut novel done for the screen feels unreal. Let the Right One In is a great Swedish movie. Let Me In is a great American movie. There are notable similarities... But Let Me In puts the emotional pressure in different places...Like the Swedish movie it made me cry, but not at the same points...I am grateful. Again."
-John Ajvide Lindqvist, author of Let the Right One In
kevinsmellls 8 months ago 45
moreover,the couple Ely / Oskar, has more chemicals than Abby / Owen, let me know becausemaking a remake of a film just 2 years of the same?, if you end up being just a copycheap, read the book, I saw both films, Believe me I know what I'm talking about, also,the camera movements are exactly the same, but taken from a different angle, it is notpossible in my full and humble opinion, I prefer the Swedish film, and The Book
FannyVaskz 8 months ago
@FannyVaskz I read the book and saw both movies too. LMI is the best version for me.
If the camera movements are different they can't be "exactly the same". You should also research why LMI was made so quickly. The Swedish producers of LTROI sold the rights before that movie was even released because no one thought it would be seen by anyone. THEY are the ones that wanted a remake before anyone else did.
HarpoSpoke 8 months ago 5
@HarpoSpoke Yes has a point, but it was badly needed to make just 2 years Remake of the Original Version, plus Swedish version is better, ok, has a smaller budget, but it is more original, also insist the couple has more chemistry, and the girl Vampire has the character changes that are marked in the book, the American version on the other hand is just entertainment
FannyVaskz 8 months ago
@FannyVaskz Which one is "better" depends on who you are talking to. LMI is better to me. I found the acting to be much better in LMI. I don't think "just entertainment" is a bad thing even if that described LMI properly...which I don't think it does. Movies are certainly allowed to entertain people!
HarpoSpoke 8 months ago 6
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Seriously... on almost every LMI/LTROI video I ever saw, I see you defending LMI and supporting yourself with all your fake accounts... don't you have anything better to do?
Lame.
Daphuhnuh 7 months ago
@Daphuhnuh 1-What's wrong with defending LMI? I only do it because of the LTROI fans who started attacking LMI long before I showed up.
2-You are visiting the LMI videos for a reason too....and you don't even like it. "Lame?"
3-The LMI fansite joins me when needed. No fake accounts needed.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke "I only do it because of the LTROI fans who started attacking LMI"
How about defending a movie because it is legitimately better, noit because ouriust think it's crap. If it weren't crap you could defend its merits.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke @HarpoSpoke "I only do it because of the LTROI fans who started attacking LMI"
How about defending a movie because it is legitimately better, noit because purists think it's crap. If it weren't crap you could defend its cinematic merits.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne Are you calling LTROI fans "purists"? I don't think people who whine because other people like a movie they think they shouldn't like are "purists".....they are just fanboys raging because other people dare to like a different movie.
Explain how LMI is the 8th best reviewed movie of 2010 if it's "crap". You point is void of all logic.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke I don't care what you think and don't ask me if I mean what I write, I ALWAYS mean what I write. Now shouldn't you be doing homeschooling as opposed to playing on you tube, you come off as a child.
What kind of stupid shit is: "Are U saying.....?"
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne Do you actually have a point in there somewhere or is that just a rant?
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Yeah right. anytime a teen is unable to respond to an articulate and cogent argument, they refer to it as a "Rant" I am sorry you arte so stupid but until you can defend LMI using it's cinematic merits you would be better off not trying to debate an ADULT who is also a screenwriter. Fucking stupid teens make me sick.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne "Articulate"? Perhaps I should use more curse words so I can be "articulate" too?
I'll ask again...to clarify....are you saying LTROI fans are "purists"? Because that is ridiculous. There is nothing that makes you more pure than a fan who likes LMI.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@rachelsOne What you REALLY are is a petty elitists who paints entire cultures with a broad stereotyping brush. You cannot possibly fathom that a person could prefer LMI for artist reasons....you have to invent inane reasons like "jingoistic, xenophobic illiterates who hate Europe (unless they are worshipping Hitler or Neo Nazis) and can't read subtitles"
All because you cannot accept that other people may not share your narrow views.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Ooh I'm a petty Elitist LMAO, well suck it up like an adult. You sound like a dimwitted teabagger who thinks that anyone who is educated is an elitist. Well I refuse to be a dumb as just to ease your insecurities.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne You don't know what an elitist is, do you? That's hardly proof of the "education" you are bragging about here.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Don't question me just because you don't know what Elitist means. WTF is wrong with you? When an adult woman writes that she's had enough of your annoying behavior that's a clue to: Let It Go, oh and I am over 50 in case your thought that I was a child like you.
A Masters Degree in Knowledge Management IS proof of an education, so unless you want to debate the metaphorical implication of Autopoeisis I suggest that you get out of my face right now. It's OVER. We're DONE. Goodbye.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne Oh THIS is your last post! (maybe)
"Elitist" does not mean "educated"....just so you know for future reference.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke If you want to discuss the metaphorical implications of Autopoeisis in the context of organization fine, otherwise you and I are done.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne You could at least spell "Autopoiesis" correctly when you are attempting to make yourself look "more intelligent than you buddy".
While we are discussing things that have nothing to do with these movies, let's dive into the use of the Phrygian mode in flamenco music. Do you prefer the use of 10 gauge strings or 9 gauge? I find tuning down a half-step helps with the action of the instrument myself.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@rachelsOne Just checking....THIS is now your last post?
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Apparently it's not since you want to be a fucking asshole and keep trying to have the last word. Seriously is it that deformity that protrudes from your body that makes you behave so abnormally? Also since you keep sending messages you obviously want to prolong the dialectic so discuss the metaphorical implications of Autopoeisis in the context of organizational development.. Don't just keep writing stupid "Just Checking" or "Last Post?" bullshit.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
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@rachelsOne So that WASN'T your last post. I'm thinking you are the one with a burning need to have the "last word". How many times did you claim you were "done"?
This is just typing. Not really that big a deal. I take it you don't want to discuss bending techniques or the use of natural harmonics in the key of E? How about the proper form on a jump shot?
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@rachelsOne Let's start with the acting. The actors in LMI are world-class actors. The actors in LTROI are armatures. There are several moments in LTROI were you can clearly see mistakes and wooden acting.
The directing is stellar in both movies....but they are not directed the same way at all. I happen to prefer the Hitchockian touches in LMI.
The cinematography is warmer in LMI and that adds to the emotional impact for me. Others prefer the colder look of LTROI.
Loved the music in both
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Why are you continuing with this? I don't want to communicate on this topic anymore. Sheesh why do guys think if they receive a comment that it's an open invitation toestablish an ongoing online relationship? You should have made you argument ion the beginning and now have drawn it oput so long.
Still Reeves relied on hokey special effects b/c Americans are too thick to get subtlety.
I did not nee 2 see glowing eyes 2 know that Eli is a vampire.
rachelsOne 7 months ago
@rachelsOne The physical changes for the vampire come from the novel. Understandable if you don't like what LMI changed, but it is in the source material. And the novel wasn't written by an "American"....Lindquist is Swedish.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
@HarpoSpoke I never said I didn't like LMI. It's an okay movie, LTROI is just better. Yes I visit videos of the remake of one of my favourite movies. And you turn things around, it's the LMI fans who are attacking LTROI. There's nothing wrong with defending something you like when its 'attacked', but it seems like you are purposely dissing LTROI even when you aren't attacked. Why is that neccesary? It's people like you who give me the idea I should defend LTROI.
Daphuhnuh 7 months ago
@Daphuhnuh You need to visit the IMDB boards for the truth. LTROI fans were attacking LMI MONTHS before it was released.....and they are still there attacking it daily. LMI fans, by contrast, don't do that on the LTROI boards....so let's not pretend this isn't all LTROI fans, shall we?
You think LTROI is better....cool....but LMI fans certainly don't agree with that. LTROI is only better for YOU. We all get to like what we like.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
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I don't know what happened on IMBD boards, I don't post there, I judge only on what I see on YouTube. You're right that LTROI is better for me just like LMI is better for you. And yeah that's fine, so I don't see why you should be posting about how 'superior' LMI is everywhere all the time. Give it a rest. Just have your opinion, respect others and leave it at that.
Daphuhnuh 7 months ago
@Daphuhnuh You going to jump on LTROI fans who can never stop claiming how "superior" LTROI is? Or do you somehow not notice them? There is a nice comment from a LTROI fan along those lines right below this one....now's your chance.
HarpoSpoke 7 months ago
Matt Revers, just take a good history, and will modify Almost Nothing , In additionto remove characters that are important in the book, and focused on the policepersecution of the murderer ritual which leads me to think, because it would focus moreon that topic, could not do it in a better way ?, showing the whole process?
FannyVaskz 8 months ago
Let me in, even though the Director Say you have a different view, but that's not a cheap copy of the Swedish film original
FannyVaskz 8 months ago
let the right one in was made for the swedish audiens. and it reflects the time to but if you areent from sweden you wont understand it in the same way.
linn141 9 months ago
John Ajvide Lindqvist has written a short novel about what happen to Oscar (Owen) and Elias "Eli" (Abby) after the book and I have read it and it's a very good ending of a very good book.
vaxjoleksing 9 months ago
@vaxjoleksing What's the name of that novel? I heard it was somthing like "Let the old dreams die," but is it part of a collection of stories?
Wesker10000 9 months ago
@Wesker10000 Yes...it is a collection of his short stories. The one with Eli and Oskar isn't actually about them....but we get to see what happens next.
HarpoSpoke 9 months ago
@HarpoSpoke So does the collection of short stories have a title?
Wesker10000 9 months ago
@Wesker10000 Yes. It's called "Let the Old Dreams Die". Should be out in English soon. (for those of us "too lazy to learn to read Swedish" hee hee...).
HarpoSpoke 9 months ago
@HarpoSpoke Thanks.
Wesker10000 9 months ago
@Wesker10000 Yes, the name of it in Swedish are "Låt de gamla drömmarna dö", in english "Let the old dreams die", and it's a short story in a whole book written by John Ajvide Lindqvist, and it's a lot of different short stories. The name of the book is the same, but I don't know if it's translated into English yet, but I hope so, because it's really worth reading.
vaxjoleksing 8 months ago
@Wesker10000 Yes, the name of it in Swedish are "Låt de gamla drömmarna dö", in english "Let the old dreams die", and it's a short story in a whole book written by John Ajvide Lindqvist, and it's a lot of different short stories. The name of the book is the same, but I don't know if it's translated into En
glish yet, but I hope so, because it's really worth reading.
vaxjoleksing 8 months ago
@vaxjoleksing Awesome. I was wondering what was the ultimate fate of both Owen (Oskar) and Abby (Eli). What is the name of the short story?
johnbanks707 4 months ago 2
I have seen both versions of the movie, and I must say that I like LTROI best in many ways, but that doesn't mean that I dislike LMI. Sure, LMI is darker in some ways. If you read the book you know that Eli (Abby) is actually a boy, and his name¨is Elias. LMI also took away Lacke and Virginia, and I like their love. Sure, Kåre and Lina are amateurs but they are good actors. Matt Freeman also showed his version what will happen with Owen after the movie, but it's not the same as JAL version.
vaxjoleksing 9 months ago
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ltroi > lmi
that is all.
seaofmemories 9 months ago
i liked Let the right one in
EreBeMonsters 9 months ago
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The pool scene is way better in Let the right one in.
NadjaAnnabel 9 months ago
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I don't think any of them is better than the other, some people will enjoy one version more than the other and that's pretty much it. I like LTROI more than the remake only because it was an original idea and both camera work and sound effects were a lot more effective but Let Me In is still an amazing movie and the best remake that I ever saw with excellent new shots. I give 10 to both!!!
wwwdihstyledotcom 9 months ago
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wwwdihstyledotcom 9 months ago
Both LMI and LTROI were tremendous.
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TVDKatherineP 9 months ago
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I loved LTROI, it was brilliant and dramatic and Iyou could feel emotionally involved with the characters, but in LMI I found it less interesting and harder to get in to. I loved Eli in LTROI and at the end I felt sorry for Eli, not the dead boys
TVDKatherineP 9 months ago