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  • white3167 is Korean.

    Fake White. hahaha.

  • @main0128 shut up fucking japs

  • fucking chinese

  • fuckin Chinese always kick people instead of the ball....dats why they never win Japan and Korea

  • @videosfourlife Thats why there is a chink knocked out on the floor at the end of the video then lol. Shut up.

  • horeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

    I'm The Winner...

    hahahaahha

  • @HooBasTank2006 Ugly fuckin British cunts ~!!

  • so searching for a guy that would treat me well

  • china team is always like that. but this year they won the east asian cup!!! wow!

  • 声明,打中文比较好,骂他们也看不懂,在这里留言尽量打中文。要­让那些英文的白痴们来适应我们,我们不讲英文这种低俗的语言与他­们一般见识。傻逼英国,丢尽世界的脸,英国没有男人,只有那么多­讲英文的人妖在这里留那么低俗的言,我只能说,他们无知,没水准­。听清楚了,英国狗养的,在中国人心目中,你们永远是失败者!

  • Take ur weak ass british shit some where else mate!

  • piece of shit chinese always good for nothing.

  • lol idk but wasnt the chink chasing the whieboy?

  • Yes .

    Chinese is Garbage of the earth.

  • CHINK IS ANIMAL.

  • wow they dont no how 2 fight they just jump around and kick each other

  • tai kwon do is all about kicks. im sure a black belt can own ur ass.

  • no they didn't. watch the full version. at the end, two Chinese players are lying prostrate unconscious while another gets taken away with a broken jaw. no english players went to hospital - compared to four Chinese players. The numbers might make it seem like the Chinese are winning the fight because the typical Chinese mentality of everyone in kicks in. However, they are pansies and can't hurt the English

  • its the chinese olympic team vs queens park rangers players

  • ookk :S

  • fucking helll that wis pish

  • that's chinese..........

  • lol what the fuck england was ruling by 1080 lol get your facts right. we have had nearly 1000 years of warfare dirty chiners got the shit kickd out of them

  • fook u u cant take it bcuz us brits wil not take no shit no matter how hard u are or big the bigger u are the harder u fall fook u all foriners come to england and test us!

  • yea yea u brits only fight on beer, and americans with crow bars and weapons, u guys are all pussies shutup b4 i come and attack u down, and i will on ur turf!

  • yes, because stating such overgeneralizations over the internet clearly demonstrates your intelligence as well as your own abundance of heart. perhaps you can somehow peer into the minds and hearts of 1.3 billion people at once? if so, why not spend your talents a bit more wisely and cure world hunger?

    next time you should make some more of your sweeping generalizations about other countries or ethnicities. I'm sure they'll be just as happy to reply.

  • the commentator talked shit.."Chinese violence is caused by homesick.." what a funny statement, pathetic!

  • that white guy shouldve never got into the asian guy's personal space anyways

    so thats what started the fight basically

    this is just stupid of the blue team

  • QPR

  • Let's boycott Beijing Olympics.

    Chinese is crazy!

  • 阿片戦争の恨みでもあったんでしょう。

  • KangFootBall

  • lol fucking chinese kung fu fight!!

  • gentlemen, this is what happens when you let china in the international stage. and they're seeking to become world superpower.

    nuke china before it's too late.

    nuke'em

  • i agree

  • chinks suck everywhere lolol

  • yapmayın canım.etmeyin.

  • shit "evertonfc4eva "

    ur mom died today! Go out and see her off!

  • Shit brits!ur moms were XXXXed by dogs day and night because of u and u dads' weakness! how can you go football while ur mothers r SMed by others?protect ur mother first! those fuckin black dicks r made of dirt and dust.Go back to ur mother's cunt!

    cheer up chinamen!kick goals on the Whiteboys & Niggers 'faces!

  • lol whiteys are animals, they smell like shit, hairy as apes, pink foolish lazy as pigs, big eyes like lemurs, giant like the extinct dinosaurs, pointy nose like bird, arrogant as dogs, stubborn like an ass, what more could be said thhey are animals. Fuck them, they are pests and really need to be extinct just like their dinosaur ancestors. Fuck 白人

    long live 中国人

  • YEAH, wen there was like 5 on 1..notice how all these chinese weaklings were on the ground hehe and no brits

  • stupid chinese

  • azn pride that dude was like kung fu shiot man

  • id put my money on bruce....not that niggga tyson

  • fuckinchinchin..yo u fuckin piece of shit...tell me whr do u live!!come to china ill chop ur ass off

  • the only thing english guys r good for is wanking themselves harder, do u c they r kicked out by chinese at the end?

  • omg so cool, now i realize why the 2 races are so different. notice british uses rugby style tackles while chinese uses kungfu style kicks, although they arnt necessarily trained in martial arts.

  • Fuck those british player...kill those low life mother fuckers

  • did u see that guy running away from that chinese dude! hahaha so funny!

  • Did you see those Chinese players flat on the ground at the end lol... pounded!

  • lol...ONE chinese player fell flat on the ground after being piled by like 8 brits, while ONE brit ranaway from ONE chinese, u do the maths :)

  • fuck chinese! chinese are jackass, dickhead, damn, i hate chinese people so bad!

  • cuz we own you

  • hi, im chinese, do u hate me?

  • *everybody was kungfu fighting* HIA!

  • poor chinese kids..they r still kids..the qpo players r old cakes and rude niggaz...

  • cracker didn't knock anyone out other than your mother.

  • fuck china

    go to hell

  • fuck u asshole!

  • many people die

    why not you die

    XD

  • Chinese crazy Kung-fu

  • Check out What Zidane said

  • except some bullshit, what you can do?

    fuck yourself, nobody care about you,

    you let me know how pitty british is now....

    so pitty, you can keep barking, go on...

  • The true reason, after they lost their world in Asian, they hate asian peaple no matter Chinese or Korean, they still miss that colonial period, how pitty they are, I dont think who care about them. a bunch of losers.

  • in Korean 100 outof 99 got plastic surgery to hide their extremely ugly flat faces and jap eyes! why all the korean males want to make themselves look like homos? fucking gay long hair coloured in ginger and with fucking make up on, no wonder korean females love foreign boys cos korean males too fucking gay to look at.

  • korean might not copying foreign products but korean paid to win in world cups , do u really think ur gay country can beat spain n italy?? ha ha dont make ur self look selly dumbass, korean got short legs so all the jeans go to SK have to be cut in half to fit their legs lol

  • what? i got bullied by english? ha ha ha r u joking? u should say english dogs were bullied by me ha ha ha

  • Hey kissdgass you pathetic piece of skippy shit - want to try and bully me? I live in Australia and have a fun time screwing all the women here, because there are no local straight men to satisfy them - so you wanna come and try and hit me with your tiara you fuckin skippie turd burglar?

  • lol ha ha burglar? i guess thats what you do for living in Aus right ? nigger

  • Korean normally lack a brain, that's why chinese call u guys "wooden club"

  • Queens park rangers is that a football team?? what league did they play? looks like a fucking niggers community center.

  • jus shutup

  • they hate american cos they cant escape being dogs serving their master. British just fat impotant poor smelly hairy fuckers,news in the world always report british males love raping under age girls they are sick pervert!

  • british never like other countries,cos they living in their own backwards world.they hate french cos french way sexier than them,they hate german cos german are cleverer,they hate spanish cos spain got better weather, they hate chinese cos chinese got more money than them, they hate black people cos black men got bigger penis and british women love bein fucked more than fat impotant british males,

  • all u can do is fuckin talkin ha ha easy just use your hole over the internet, i bet you just a wee guy with 2inch legs ha ha go rub some shit over ya fuckin geek face and tell ya fuckin mume like them off for you

  • I only see chinese kids people flying in this .. Lol

  • latino do it better

  • just want to say: if you think of shit and speak of shit, then your braind is full of shit.

  • Dont make mistake. you always give shit, DO NOT forget it. and another thing is you have no dick, you just a bitch, I think you male dad has, perhaps your bitch mother like to suck it, but not sure it is 7inch, you can measure it and tell me. You look like full of vitality, which male dog make you happy?

    You dont know what is justice, I can understand, you just a bitch, never have clever bitch. Keep barking, I am not interested in bitch at all

  • ok man :)

  • I would rather cut your penis and feed it on your dog. You know what, your dick is a lot smaller than a gorilla and you know why? Because it is not as well evloved as you. The same reason, compared with asian people, your brain is surpringly smaller, because you are an unevoled monkey in our eyes.

  • English soccer rogue,that can explain it.Your ignominious tricks in this match,don't be so rude anymore.Don't spend time to argue with those dirty creature,my fellow.they are not deserved.Really well educated people will not be like this.I think people like Maxvon are just that have nothing to do and not well-educated.

  • English soccer rogue,that can explain it.Your ignominious tricks in this match,don't be so rude anymore.Don't spend time to argue with those dirty creature,my fellow.they are not deserved.Really well educated people will not be like this.I think people like Maxvon are just that have nothing to do and not well-educated.

  • English soccer rogue,that can explain it.Your ignominious tricks in this match,don't be so rude anymore.Don't spend time to argue with those dirty creature,my fellow.they are not deserved.Really well educated people will not be like this.I think people like Maxvon are just that have nothing to do and not well-educated.

  • Ok, give you some leason so that you can know why you are a shit.

    From video, it is obvious english team's fault, stupid coach and athlete. they fight first.

    but from english newspaper, full of shit news, they all lie. and some stupid guy even abuse in forum. I just bring the justice. silly guy ,understand?

    I think you can not, that is why nobody like shit english. dont think any body like you, always hide in a corner, and bite persons like a dog. GOD DAMN YOU!

  • U r not actually educated.I got my phd five years ago and I have my own company now.How about ur high school?I'm pretty sure u lost ur cock in ur Pampers.Brazil has nothing but jackasses and whores,who dont envolve well.I wanna pay ur mom cuz I fucked her last night,but she told me she was free.Sorry Man~or Pussy~LOL~BTW,ur mom tasted bad.Enjor urself!ciao~~LOL~Latin is easy too.

  • Fucking racist people. Brits talk about how they own the world and everyone is below them (slaves). Chinese talking about how stupid ass the Brits are with their culture. fuck i'm asian and this is stupid as hell.

  • Fuck ur Deutsch!Deutsch is just shit!I got full mark in every german test in my life.Stupid language,so that makes much stupid ppl like MaxvonBeiter.Ich bin ihrer Vater.Haven't ur mom told ya?Well,I got angry.I'm gonna fuck her tonight and have ur little brother.LoL~Vielen Dank!Screw U!"Sie" Loser!

  • Right, with all their racial dirty talks and attacking ppl from behind, how civilized they are. BTW, I am surprised you are still alive, Falungong Jerry.

  • Gavron, Deputy Mayor of London, appologized to the Chinese football team on Feb 13th for the brutal deeds of the british players and coaches. Things will get clearer and clearer who were the real uncivilized people.

  • bye slave. time to go back to jail right ;)

    I ate a dog yesterday named belulusconi and every Chinese media prasied me because I did a good thing.

    And Jerry asshole, EU is a shit to us. All your EU countries combined is still smaller than China. We big country people never take u small soil nuts seriously,lol...

  • BTW, brasil asshole, at least China is an independent country, not like you, slaves of the US. You don't even have your own language!!! Spanish is your brand of being raped by the whits and there is no way you can get rid of it, ever. Now you are still kissing the whits's ass and this is exactly why you were and deserve to always be slaves,lol...

  • Brazillians speak Portuguese.

  • a bunch of slaves, who cares what they speak...

  • "tibet" and "turkistan" are both provinces of China, and their real name are XiZang and XinJiang. Anyone daring to challenge this fact will be sentenced to death in China. And if you are abroad, who cares what you say? I say the whitehouse is mine, you believe that?

    But the way, the Brasil people eat their parents alive when they are too old. Bone and flesh together, I have seen it.

  • hepsi çeki çen lan bunların nasıl saydırıyor yumrukları herife

  • You know we do have some nuts from China like the Falungong shits. They made up bad stories about China and some white nuts would really believe like MaxVonKlimt. In fact, I am pretty sure MaxVonKlimt is practising Falungong now and that explains how badly his brain was ruined. Congratulations MaxVonKlimt! You never have to go to hospital when you are ill, you are approaching the level of GOD!! LOLOLOL

  • MaxVonKlimt is india aShan

  • india a san chu le chi shi hai hui shen me ? lol

  • wo cai MaxVonKlimt shi ge JB lun zi, yao me jiu shi ge SB ri ben ren huo zhe han guo ren. zhe si zhuan men yan jiu guo zhong guo de huai shi. deng jiu chu lai zhe ge jian huo wo men ri si ta quan jia. gui lao hen zhong guo de hai zhen ta ma duo a, cao ta men mu qin de.

  • soccers a girls sport .

  • Bitch, nobody care about your fucking english, such person like full of shit, so I'm confused whether you have asshole. ya, I think you can not understand as you are a stupid shit, It is shy for me to talk with you, fuck you

  • Yes, i hate when it's shy to talk with a person, i generally slap it in hopes that it might become more outgoing, so far it hasn't worked

  • you? dont make me laugh, I understand you are trained to be outgoing by slaps. but not me. keep going, plus ass-raped, that will be better efficency

  • why are 1349 of the 1350 comments on here yours you annoying, moronic, ignorant, jumped up, racist little cretin? got an answer?

  • MAX, tomorrow I will invite ur parents for dinner to discuss your education problem. We will eat dog meat for sure. Maybe you will get fucked by your mother in a romantic night. Good luck! ;)

  • MaxVonKlimt,do u know why Im fucking u here?cuz i'm bored with TV and movies,I found u here.U really entertain me a lot.U r merely a joke,a fun to me.Promise u,I will come here everyday to see u for having fun!LOLOLOLOLOLOL~~~I will have a sweet dream cuz I've laughed a lot.C ya,Jackass!LOLOLOLOLOLOL~~~

  • seems we found the same hobby. I will come here too tomorrow to entertain that kid,lol

  • MaxVonKlimt, I am wondering why you are doing so. The answer might be you or your families had been fucked up by Chinese. Any normal ppl cannot do it like you do. I can only say you are metamorphic.

    My folks, don't bother to reply to him. Why could we talk with a shit?

    Bye!

  • I seriously suggest that every Chinese should eat a dog every week. We should even inport dogs from UK, Germany and US as food. Is anyone with me? ;)

  • U dont even know china is different from DPRK.LOL,u r really a piece of shit.The number of ich chinese is more than all the brits.Other countries r begging china for food,esp ur island.Well,u dont know what u r eating for living is chinese shit.We pee on the food exported to ur island,and we make a lot of money.

  • My last word to the white trash: dog meat is hell delicious and I will eat another one for god dam sure tomorrow!!!

  • One thing for sure, we are a lot better evolved than you white hairy monkeys, lol....

  • seriously dude you are contradicting to yourself! you really should go back to read your comic books. dont forget to retake primary school courses.

  • I know Max.His nationality is not whit.He's shit,and his full name is Max Shit from the Shit familiy.His mom is doing porn to support his elementary school.

  • Is this a new form of Korean language? the grammar is funny!

  • By the way do u even have a nationality?? German? Limey? American? or Jap? or can we just call you whit?

  • do you know how the rest world call jap man?

    ''short legged hobbits with surprisingly small dick!''

  • So everything has ended? Guess that's what happened when the internet lands up in the hands of a kid. lol

  • MaxVonKlimt,no chinese are radicals.now we r radical cuz u r a racist.THe whole world's gettin' to know brits are racists.China doesnot have racial discrimination which u still possess.U r very proud of ur racism.Shame u!

  • When a yellow fucker fucks ur mom, where shall he begin with? pussy, mouth or asshole?? ;)

  • LoongWizard u r naughty!! Didn't I tell you not to pick on kids??

  • thank you, come again!!!LOL

  • i think its time for bed you pupil.

  • I am pretty satified too. I see u learn to shut up when u r fucked by a bunch of Chinese ppl. shall I pee on you? ;)

  • if chinese are insects then you are a crap produced by the insect.

  • you remind me my 5 years old cousin, maybe you have the same IQ.!

  • Thats what happens when you act hard chinkys, you get your jaw handed to you in three peaces.

  • MaxVonKlimt, your brain is full of shit. If you understand what sociolism and capitalism are. You will not link them to democracy! Don't want to argue with you anymore. You are only a shit and no need to speak to a shit!!

  • those arsholes are far more competent than the arsholes in your country where everything doesnt work!!

  • hey dude we have enough entertainment here so stop making hilarious assumptions!!! go finish your homework first.

  • forget it, that germanic hunnish kid won't get the message across

  • Chinese democracy leads to 10% GDP growth.U never see how large china is,how rich china is.what u think of china is directed by ur island media.what a pity!now u r proud of ur limited island vision of democ and freedom?Blooding funny!I beg u,dont let me laugh so badly.I cannt stop laughing.lolololololol~~~u jackass

  • Chinese democracy leads to 10% GDP growth.U never see how large china is,how rich china is.what u think of china is directed by ur island media.what a pity!now u r proud of ur limited island vision of democ and freedom?Blooding funny!I beg u,dont let me laugh so badly.I cannt stop laughing.lolololololol~~~u jackass

  • UK sucks. Tony Blair is the bitch of Bush. He even made a sweater by hand for Bush!!! What a dog! We Chinese may be poor at the moment but we never beg the other countries for a living. The Bris call themselves "gentlemen" while they were actually just pirates and smugglers in old days and drug dealers and morons today. Pity on the british trashes.

  • tipical loser! lol maybe you had fucked up by a chinese before`! hehe!

    watch it again dude, dont insult your eyes!!!

  • did u watch this in your dream pathetic loser? didnt you see the people in white chased by the chinese? and there was one pussy kicked the Chinese player when he was on fround, and fucking ran away like girls!

  • There are only two things the whits(white shit ppl) are good at: attacking ppl from behind and running away like a sow. And ironically, they define themselves as gentlemen or civilized ppl. We say whits are shit.

  • When we had invented mathematics and Philosophy, your ancestores were still living on the trees!! we don't need so called western ''democracy'' which doesnt resolve anything, it's just a tool to manipulate mindless people like you.

  • We have also freedom in speech in China as well. Who tells you I'll be monitored and arrested by so-called Big Brother!? You know that from your media as well. But who owns and controls the media? Is that you? No! Your media is also controlled by your Big Brother as well. You didn't even know it. That's why I am thinking you are an idiot.

  • Interesting! Really!! "YOU PEOPLE are liable for your country and its independence". That's what you said. So stop gossiping here and go back to your doghole!! it's none of your business!!!

  • Clearly insane and uncurable. WASTED!

  • How come u hate China so much?Did milk powder hurt ur brain? U r using lots of stuff from china.Can u say u cannot live without china?Proudly,i can say i apparently live without briton.Screw Brits!Pls do not depend on chinese goods any more.We dont like u.We donot like small island men.Watch ur back.B careful of sea water in case of the rising of sea level.

  • Thank u Mr. invader, finally u show your real face. So the countries which invaded other ones were NOT to blame while the countries which were invaded WERE to blame. This is your German LOGIC right? Would u like to ask the German gov to repeat your words to France, Poland, Holland and the Jews? God bless u...yeah u wish :)

  • LoongWizard, no point wasting your time replying to that Max kid, he's just a dimwitted kid who is neglected by his parents with no friends and too much free time. Look at his posts! All hatred-driven and anger-driven and you wonder what's the agenda of his rantings. Typical cyber pest, just ignored him.

  • Thats not an answer to my question, whit. I think you are in rage jumping up and down already.

    BTW, if you whits dislike China so much, why don't you ask you cowboy president to attack us? You have democracy, right?We garantee you that each US soldier entering China will be decorticated alive. We kicked many US asses in N Korea 50 years ago and we would like to do it again. And BTW, you'd better do it early before the PLA step onto America,lol.

  • Do you really have freedom in speech? I am in the UK and I clearly know the answer is NO. I had left a comment on a newspaper's website and was wanting to state the mistakes in their reports to this soccer flight. But the result is it's never appeared. So, there are apparently somebody selecting the comments and only let those appear in favor of them.

    This is just a small case but you can know there should be the similar procedures in other issues.

  • Actually it is my and my gov's glory that I kicked you whits' ass here. What you should be more interested in should be the intranet of pentagon which was hacked hundreds of times a year by hackers all over the world. We Chinese hacked it too, of course.

  • How can you explain all wars that people was/is facing to? Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and elsewhere? You are in a free country but what can you do to against these wars?

    You guys are only the weapon controled by your goverment and you didn't even realize it. That's really a great disater in the world.

  • Max..., please just give us a little more new words about your so-called freedom and democracy. Please do remember the western goverments are dirty in dealing with international issues!! Just review the case of india and Parkistan. Why did British colonist divide a country into two countries and left an unstable district in the world after British was kicked out of Asia??

  • free & democratic, beautiful! Tell me free whit, how do you know there are no dirty gov secrets hidden from you? You think you know everything about your gov?? lol Our gov fit in our social situation now and we Chinese chose to live this way. again, none of you business.

    And do answer my question plz: how come the dirty deeds I mentioned above were committed by civlized whit?

  • I lothe you guys. We played these tricks 5000 years ago and you guys will always be kids before we Chinese just because you are intellectually low. Live with that.

  • Never change your COOL BLOOD attitude, I BEGGG you :)

    In contrast, we know perfectly well what happened in China. You think the Internet just belongs to you? Do you ever know something called Proxy? We have full access to everything on the Internet just as you do. We also know our gov did some bad deeds but it is our business, not yours. I have seen tons of whits like you who pretend to be enlightening the Chinese ppl while they are racists in heart.

  • Whits exported opium to China and call that a free trade but in their own coutry they hang the drug dealers.

    Whits eat beef despite the cattle is god in india.

    Whits spread mad cow disease and HIV all over the world due to their edacity and moral degeneration.

    Whits are dull, lazy and stupid and they cry out that the Chinese stole their jobs but fail to realize their incapability.

    Indeed whits are HIV viruses.

  • makihatayama, I think there's already a tumor cell in your brain, which is surprising for a single cell organism like you.

  • What China is doing today? Kicking your ass? lol

    So you do believe what I mentioned justifies you whits being sham and brutal under your civilized cover right? So tell me, civlized whit, how nicely do the US soldiers treated the Iraq prisoners of war? We have videos and photoes, right?? :)

  • Jan. 28, 1986, STS Challenger. A sad event for not only the American people but also the Chinese. Our respect goes to those brave challengers to the nature. We Chinese never laugh at those who passed away for public no matter what his/her nationality is. This is our difference, German.

  • But we do know the kind deeds of the crusade, the nice policy of Nazi and the mercy of the whits (white shit people) to the native-americans and the african slaves. Not mentioning your world-famous pirates and dirty clonies. Frankly speaking, every single penny the whits possess is painted by blood and barbarism.

  • I am doing great in my homecity in China which was just awarded the most suitable city for people to live in by UN. I know you whit's (BTW, "whit" is short for"White Shit People") brain has long been infected by mad cow disease so I am curious how you can access the Internet in an asylum. Yes, whits are the most "decent" guys in the world so you have the water gate cheaters and playboy president (Clinton) and especially now a cowboy president whose IQ is even lower than the cat I raised :)

  • Hey, compared with what Nazi did to you normal Germen and the Jews, the GCR is just nothing :) So relax, we are still the smartest people in the world (scientific research result from your UK guy) and believe me, our scientists will come back to China if our country need them. They are just waiting for the right time.

  • QPR is simply a bunch of drug dealers and gang shits, I pity those scums and wish them an early death.

  • QPR QPR QPR QPR QPR QPR

  • Why don't you guys dig your ancestors' bones out and spit on their skulls because they stole the paper making, printing, powder and compass technique from a nation who has NO ability of invention or innovation without paying copyright fee but just having their priests to kiss the Chinese emperor's ass?

    BTW, if you by any chance notice so many Chinese PhDs and master students in the Universities all around the world you will understand to whom the future belongs, if you had a brain ;)

  • Nothing strange, mad pigs like you have been crying like this for 50 years. And what happens now? Our economy is growing >10% every year. I know you guys hate it so much that you even want to sell your parents to stop it but you just CANNOT. 10 years later you German would try to borrow money from Chinese like our bitched,lol

  • No, you can NOT actually. And your race shouls extinct even earlier because you are fed beef with mad cow disease which begins a lot earlier than the bird flu...

  • shame for chinese soccer, shame for chinese soccer player, shame for my own country ,china. we are always fucked by other country,every one can fuck chinese. we apoplogize to england for this fight,and beg englishman to forgive us.what a shame.

  • Come on dude, everybody know only you Japan pigs would like to be fucked like that:) We Chinese fight them instead!

  • are you tired for keeping insulting china?

    you are the hero of british people.

  • People,who has common sense, must think to stop the crazy scuffle,but from the very beginning They Chinese seems not to have the choice.

  • what black guys are you talking about.

  • where do niggers come in at?