There is really a problem with you. Your knowledge is very weak and your sarcasm shows that you are deficient in certain nutrients that could help you think properly.
No disrespect but, The China Study is full of BS. I read it. Besides, veganism doesn't exist in nature. Not even herbivores are vegans. You should read more about these things. Primates eat animal products too. You can say whatever you want, but man evolved as a HUNTER-GATHERER. That's a fact. High carb foods were introduced barely 10000 years ago.
Compare meat-eating bodybuilders to vegan ones. Which ones are stronger, more muscular and well developed?
OMG! What is wrong with you? Are you on crack? You have such an annoying voice, I can't even listen to your rant. Are you supposed to be an example of critical thinking?!?
I love how you throw out the vegan athlete thing. How come vegan athletes don't dominate all sports. I always ask where are the droves of vegan centenarians i've been looking for. Seriously my friend go get your own survival show and live in the wild. I want to see you eat your words instead of the oddly absent wild sweet fruit.
Your theory that fresh wild fruit is a sustainable diet for all is a myth. Go to the african plains and live 12 months without agriculture. Tell me just how many durians spring up for you during your trip.
Thanks again Durian Rider for setting the record straight & debunking the moron-& charlatan-Lierre Keith. I`d never seen nor heard of her before, but after listening to 5 mins. of her, it became obvious that she`s a fool! Anyway, keep on riding, my friend, & g`day mate!
wow taking her quotes and using them out of context and then arguing against them shows how stupid you are..what a waste of 11 minutes watching this...
@alexpoobum I believe this guy knows what he is talking about. I am writing a book about health and everything durianrider said is true. Plants contain proteins, and vegans are weak-then how do you describe Carl Lewis? do your own research and you will see why Dr.Esselstyn, McDougall, Ornish and Barnard are CURING diabetes and heart disease. Who did this lady cure??
well, ive heard different things. in the eat right for your body type, based on blood types some do well with the vegan like diets, like type A and then Some do not like other types. but who knows really and I havnt studied all the other avenues yet. im a type A, and seem to respond well so far.
I like this video mate, but you need to learn what subjective and objective means. I doubt seriously many of your comments can be called objective because you have an obvious bias for Vegan dieting. I'm not saying Vegan dieting is wrong, I'm saying you are not in a position to be held as a very good objective source. Just saying, mate.
This woman is a fucking liar, I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat beef once a week! I don't eat it at all, ever! I wouldn't be a vegetarian if I did eat meat, stupid bitch!
I suggest you read Primal Body, Primal Mind to get your medical info correct... if you're more interested in searching for scientific truth.than defending Vegetarianism for it's own sake.
Thank you so much for your information so I can prove all of my meat eater friends wrong for the obviously illogical things they say. Keep doing what you do and ignore the hater flesh eaters. Vegan Power!
We have canine teeth we have incisors we are meat eaters period...we can also consume fruits and vegetables...look at a cows teeth, then look at a dogs teeth, we are smack dab in the middle of both. one is a plant eater and one is a meat eater. We have the best of both worlds...put your mouth to good use...stop talking nonsense and eat some food from the 4 or 5 (or whatever it is now) FOOD GROUPS. You have 1 mouth 2 eyes 2 ears...don't talk...look and listen, you were made for it.
Most of this world used to be a tropical rainforest...it will return to that no matter what we do. There is no such thing as global warming...we have been coming out of an ice age for about the last 50,000 years, it is simply the planet repairing itself from a massive asteroid impact. That is a fact and there is no disputing it...the earth will always return to it's former glory...we are small in comparison to nature, if we do not turn from our selfish ways we will be our own demise.
We need to be at balance with nature...if we are not, nature will take us out. We must find different ways to build our homes...instead of chopping down every tree on the planet. We must have a balanced diet not just one part of it, sorry but that includes meat, vegetables, grains, dairy, fruit, fish, sugar, salt, minerals, herbs, spices, do you get the idea...I hope you do because the longer you live in denial of nature the quicker nature will take you out. Balance is the key.
The problem is a simple one. There is too much excess in this world we live in...too many rich people, too many poor people, too much industry, etc. There needs to be a balance in a world,,,in any world...or it will not survive. Some of the best times humans have ever lived in were pre-world war times. I do nt advocate socialism, communism, facism, or any ism for that matter, we MUST all work together for the common good or there will be no way we will survive the next 100 years.
Thank you for this video, opposed to what was said before, you did make crucial points to what she is putting out into the world. And thank you for backing up what you're saying. She states we have the shortest digestive track of any primate, but our track is a mile long? While a carnivore (lion) have short tracks to eject meat quickly, while ours stays up to 6 weeks in our stomach. Would you eat meat left on the counter ,@ 98 degrees after 6 weeks then eat it? No it'd be rotten just like inside
@LittleLikeness3 Take a biology class, you sound like an idiot...our digestive system is built to dissolve and excrete what we put in our mouths in a matter of hours, days at most... Boy, all you 'know it alls' who really know nothing are exhausting!
Yes, Lierre has good ideas concerning mass production and mass consumption. We ALL need to reduce our consumption, which will in turn reduce production. BUT, to blame a plant based diet on the planet's woes? Not sure she has it right there. Me eating a cow is not going to bring back the rain forest or restore the coral reef. But, mindfulness for everything I do makes the difference.
Our bodys best fuel is ketons arrived from burning fat. No, we do not need carbs in our food to create the amount of glucose needed for our brain (the process called gluconeogenesis). Cancer cells though need glucose to live and grow.
learn your physiology dude, we have wayyyy toooo much sugar in our diet and glycogen is meant to be an easily accessible RESERVE of glucose. ( BTW ex vegan of many years Lierre is awesome)
"the human body was never meant to absorb THAT AMOUNT of sugar." She doesn't say to totally refrain from it as you suggest with your inane oxygen rebuttal. You need both oxygen and glucose to survive, however too much of either will kill you.
You know that there is good and bad cholesterol, HDL vs LDL ....right?
Finally, it is very easy to make someone sound like a flip-flopping politician when you are using snippets of an interview from your own program where you get to ask the questions
In 1928 Vilhjalmur Stefansson and Karsten Anderson were the subjects in a year long experiment to study this all-meat diet. By testing the urine the experimenters could be sure that the subjects never consumed any carbohydrates for the entire duration of the test. They consumed an average of 2lbs of meat per day, which contained about 2600 calories of which 80% came from fat. The surprising result that came out of the study was that nothing much happened.
question. from where does your lipo soluble vitamins come? do you rely on synthetic supplements? this should tell you that Humans cannot be full vegans. Supplements did not exist 200 years ago nevertheless 10000 years ago. this guy should look into adrenal gland fatigue and thyroid dysfunction and then maybe he'll understand.
They have actually made per reviewed scientific studies in regard to milk. It turns out that countries that drinks a lot of milk has more hip-fractures/100000 population than low milk countries.
"They have actually made per reviewed scientific studies in regard to milk. It turns out that countries that drinks a lot of milk has more hip-fractures/100000 population than low milk countries."
That's true. But it was observational studies. We can't show cause and effect with those. So we can't say the increase in hip fractures was caused by milk. It could have been caused by the cereals eaten with that milk, or by some other unrelated factor.
@maggru91 sciencedaily July 2009 reviews a huge number of milk studies and finds that milk might be contributing to longevity, which in turn might be affecting the hip fracture rate. Presenting one factoid from a study, as you do re hip fractures, does not make a compelling argument when other factors could well be at play.
P.S. I have a buddy who rode his bike across the country. He looked great afterward. Six-pack abs. Lost all his excess fat. I asked him what he ate. He said, "Junk food, mostly, because I was eating at convenience stores. When you ride your bike all day you can eat whatever you want and lose weight." Just pointing out that sugars seem to go well with heavy cycling. But not everyone is into or wants to be into heavy cycling. Myself, I don't think long rides are good the family jewels.
Rider, fruits and plants don't contain much glucose. You conveniently sweep this fact under the rug too often for my taste. Glucose comes from several sources including amino acids. For example, fructose, the primary sugar in fruit, does not run every cell in the human body--in fact it runs none of them--0%. The liver must convert it to glucose first. This requires work on the part of the liver. If you want to speak in the big leagues of nutrition, you have to stop glossing over these details.
I'm going to write a book called "The Lierre Keith Myth". I'd call it something worse but peakmoment is not allowing freedom of speak so use your imagination, folks!
Good video, Durianrider. I've been a vegan for over 20 years, and have experienced none of the health problems that Lierre Kieth claims would occur in vegans.
@durianrider Then Inuit people should have been wiped out a long time ago! They discovered the best way to live in a unhospitable land centuries ago and not only survived, but thrived.
Animal produce contains complete protein, certain vitamins that are not found in plant matter (B12 for example), and fat for energy without the negative effects of an insulin spike from over-consuming starchy carbohydrates!
@ExtremeWellness I'm not going to comment on all of the errors in what you've written but Innuit people have thrived? Innuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer that the overall Canadian population.
"Innuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present"
I noticed that everything you've cited is observational, not experimental. If you understand the difference, you know that you can't show cause and effect, can't prove anything with that kind of evidence. Can you cite experimental studies instead please?
@ExtremeWellness Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that historically Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2
@ExtremeWellness The Inuit (Eskimo) have the highest osteoporosis rates in the world. In a study of 217 children, 89 adults, and 107 elderly Inuit in Alaska, researchers found that they had lower bone mineral content, onset of bone loss at an earlier age, and development of bone thinning with a greater intensity than white Americans. The scientists attributed the greater degeneration to the acidic effects of the Inuit's high meat diet.
As I posted before on the video of Lierre Keith's interview (watch?v=rNON5iNf07o):
Even Dr. Mercola who is essentially a pro-meat advocate says that the BEST sources of vitamin A is from green leafy vegetables, the BEST source of vitamin D are from exposure to sunlight, and the BEST source of vitamin K2 is from fermented foods like natto in the form of MK-9.
I am also a vegan. I watched her interview thing. I don't think she is advocating for a non-vegan diet in the current state of affairs due to factory farming etc. She seems to just be an anarcho-primitivist...i mean she presents a goal which is obviously idealistic and unrealistic at best so i dont find her a threat to the vegan philosophy...if it really came down to an anarcho-primitivist society, then obv we would more closely examine the merits of eating meat vs. vegan diet...
your wrong Harley,your only explaining part truths,when the liver is full of glycogen excess sugars are then stored as fat.Stop peddling your bike and keep eating your bananas and see how quickly you get fat. Athletes can eat almost anything and burn it off and stay lean.How come there is not one tribe that is vegetarian?.
@durianriders watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo full title: The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing)?
In that video, Chris Gardner explains that the Atkins group did better in all things measured including weight loss, than the other three groups. Atkins is a low carb diet. Why would glucose be the preferred diet for the whole body when humans do better when they eat less glucose?
@JackFook Seriously the Atkin's Diet? That 'diet' has been so thoroughly proven wrong and unhealthy...I just have to laugh and shake my head that ignorance...
"Seriously the Atkin's Diet? That 'diet' has been so thoroughly proven wrong and unhealthy"
Cite one study where the Atkins diet has been proven wrong and unhealthy please. I cited one study which showed the Atkins diet better than Ornish and two other diets in a direct comparison.
If glucose was the preferred fuel for the whole body, then why do humans store the bulk of their energy as fat? Why do all other species, including herbivores, store the bulk of their energy as fat? It's a herbivore, it should prefer glucose as fuel, right? So why does the cow/elk/whatever store the bulk of its calories as fat?
Durian, do you know the fallacy of composition? It's when you assume what applies to individuals in a group, also applies to the group as a whole. Lierre says "the human body", you say "cells". Maybe you're suggesting that glucose should be good or is the preferred fuel for the whole body? Is that what you meant? While cells may run on glucose, it does not prove that the appropriate/preferred diet for the whole body is glucose.
Lol, you say you're objective, then fail to not only define what you mean by that, but disprove it with your statement about milk (that's not an objective statement). You say she's bad for believing online sources...all of your sources were online ones. You say having too much of something isn't bad; PEOPLE DIE FROM DRINKING TOO MUCH WATER, for crying out loud, never the less have too much sugar. I can't believe your argument about nutrition now because of these slip-ups. Refine your argument.
Dude don't you get it? She is always talking about overpopulation and trying to get it under control, she is trying to that by getting people to eat lots more red meat so they will all die!! LMAO I laugh but I reallly think that. Has she seen the people in line at the local burger king? Do they look healthy? Whats that they need more meat! Look if she said eating a couple ounces of meat 2-3 times a week would not hurt you that would be something we could debate, but that sounded like BS to me.
"Has she seen the people in line at the local burger king? Do they look healthy?"
What else does Burger King serve besides meat? Potatoes, soft drinks, deserts, ice cream, apple pies, etc. All carbs, grains and hydrogenated vegetable oils. How much you wanna bet those customers eat more of that than they do meat?
"Good ole jackfook, all over the map again? Eating meat is immoral! Check out this video! /watch?v=6r5a9zDv0E8"
I'll discuss morality with you. I thought that's what you wanted too. But as soon as you showed animals in the pen in that video, you lost me, I stopped watching. I have little respect for appeal to emotion. Can you make the same argument but without the shock images?
Have you ever considered the effect of shock images on intellect? When we say it's traumatizing, we're not kidding. It has a serious and sometimes permanent effect on our behavior. If that's what you count on to make your argument stick, that's a tactic often used to make a weak argument stick. Are your arguments so weak that you need that kind of tactic? You're smart. Think of a way to convince me intellectually, not emotionally.
@Fabianv She's probably just a narcissist who reinvents herself every now and then and then preaches her new lifestyle. Either way she didn't make a good job or being a vegan/vegetarian because it was a label and lifestyle for her and she probably didn't put much effort into eating healthily, drinking lots of water, eating lots of fresh fruit and vegetables and getting enough sleep.
Cold climate is not a climate for humans to live in in the first place. Besides, meat lacks a lot of nutrients that can only be found in plants. How are humans going to be healthy in cold climates?
"Besides, meat lacks a lot of nutrients that can only be found in plants."
That's probably true. But it's even more true that meat contains essential nutrients that can't be found in plants. You know the difference between regular nutrients and essential nutrients, right?
@JackFook What essential nutrient do plants not provide? There are several plant sources of all 8 essential amino acids, if that's what you're trying to speak about.
"There are several plant sources of all 8 essential amino acids, if that's what you're trying to speak about"
That's true. Unfortunately, humans can't digest plant fiber, and those 8 essential amino acids happen to be contained inside that indigestible plant fiber. So it doesn't matter how much amino acids those plants contain, does it.
@JackFook No it's not, check out Harley's video showing his blood test. If he didn't get everything he needed from plant foods then his blood test wouldn't look the way it does.
"If he didn't get everything he needed from plant foods"
Harley does not get everything he needs from plant foods: He supplements! B12 injections, you've seen it, yes? If he's willing to inject himself with something he could get from meat just because of his higher moral attitude, how far do you think he's willing to go to maintain his reputation?
Do they feed giraffes in London zoo different food than Giraffes in Sydney ? Animals of the same species are designed to eat the food that they are designed to eat. Humans originally evolved in the tropics where sweet fruit was/is plentiful. Nothing has changed!
@ExtremeWellness Exactly! It's as simple as that. Great logical point - thanks! When we go back to eating for soley for sustenance rather than for recreation, we'll all be better off!
@durianriders You didn't MAKE any 'crucial points' . Pretty much all this video 'proves' is that you didn't have it in you to actually read the book you were critiquing. Load of bullshit yet again, Haaaarley.
just because someone eats cholesterol it doesn't mean that you are going to have heart problem, even if they eat quite a lot of it. it is a lot more complicated than that. you can eat a lot of cholesterol and be very healthy. if you have already damaged your arteries with hydrogenated fats then it causes complications too so check out cholesterol first before saying its bad because it is actually good for you even in amounts that you may consider to be high. everything in moderation as always.
@ballbagbaggins Shooting defenseless animals point blank in the head with a bolt gun is okay if it's done in moderation. How about shooting humans in the head point blank with a bolt gun? Is that okay in moderation too?
@ballbagbaggins Some people are genetically gifted & can eat whatever they want and be healthy. However, the general population does not benefit from high saturated, cholesterol diets, that has been proven. Dietary cholesterol only comes from animal sources, we dont need to eat any bc we produce it already. We also dont need to be vegan to be healthy just eat more Legumes, fruits, vegetables,etc than animals. Point be clear, veganism is safe has less of a carbon footprint than any other diet.
@wwood14 I really like Red Star Nutritional Yeast, makes a great vegan hollandaise(with lemon juice, nut milk, non-dairy margarine or olive oil and potato starch - add spices if you like), and Swiss Natural Vit B12 supplement (1000 mcg) twice a week. I enjoy Quinoa, it's great as a side(instead of rice or pasta) and is great cold in salads! Anyway, just thought I would share a few of my faves, lol!
@Shaganapimoone I like your ideas. I found out that people ask vegans about B12, when almost everyone is B12 deficient. Anyone who cleans and cooks meat is likely to be B12 deficient.
@wwood14 Incorrect. B12 def is rare. B12 is mainly found from animal sources, that is why vegans have a greater risk of becoming B12 deficient. Fortunately, it takes 3-10 yrs to become deficient and nutritional yeast and/or a B12 supplement suffice for Vegans.
@jgb02e I didn't make that up about B12 def. Here is a quote from a web page: "A recent study within continental USA showed that up to 40% of human population suffers from some degree of vitamin B12 deficiency". I don't think vegans make up 40% of the north American population. And I don't think 40% indicates rare occurance.. B12 is produced by bacteria that are usually washed off or killed off by cooking. It occures naturally in the colon and mouth, but due to Floride(my opinion) killed off.
Right on Harley, enjoyed this. talk about one confusing, contradicting woman. But she's not thinking clearly from all the animal products she has ALWAYS consumed - lol. thanks for what you do :)
There is really a problem with you. Your knowledge is very weak and your sarcasm shows that you are deficient in certain nutrients that could help you think properly.
helloelena 2 days ago
Good luck telling the Masai and the Eskimos to eat a vegan diet.
jreily88 6 days ago
No disrespect but, The China Study is full of BS. I read it. Besides, veganism doesn't exist in nature. Not even herbivores are vegans. You should read more about these things. Primates eat animal products too. You can say whatever you want, but man evolved as a HUNTER-GATHERER. That's a fact. High carb foods were introduced barely 10000 years ago.
Compare meat-eating bodybuilders to vegan ones. Which ones are stronger, more muscular and well developed?
Veganism is about ideas, not facts.
interf22 1 week ago
OMG! What is wrong with you? Are you on crack? You have such an annoying voice, I can't even listen to your rant. Are you supposed to be an example of critical thinking?!?
lightstar1000 2 weeks ago
I love how you throw out the vegan athlete thing. How come vegan athletes don't dominate all sports. I always ask where are the droves of vegan centenarians i've been looking for. Seriously my friend go get your own survival show and live in the wild. I want to see you eat your words instead of the oddly absent wild sweet fruit.
roottruthseeker 2 weeks ago
Your theory that fresh wild fruit is a sustainable diet for all is a myth. Go to the african plains and live 12 months without agriculture. Tell me just how many durians spring up for you during your trip.
roottruthseeker 2 weeks ago
Good vid - enjoyed that.
Zenhumanist 2 weeks ago
The guy in this video sounds dumber than most of the posters on the actual interview video...
lpwebmistress 1 month ago
Thanks again Durian Rider for setting the record straight & debunking the moron-& charlatan-Lierre Keith. I`d never seen nor heard of her before, but after listening to 5 mins. of her, it became obvious that she`s a fool! Anyway, keep on riding, my friend, & g`day mate!
25411959 1 month ago
dude learn to use apostrophes properly...
shaktinarayan 1 month ago
You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word 'debunk'.
theoriginalSkooby 1 month ago
I like his accent but it hard to understand sometimes what he says
GnosisMan50 1 month ago
Why are you so angry?
yafola1 1 month ago
The point Ms. Keith made that seems to be supported by this video is that meat products are nutrient-dense brain food.
desperatepilgrim 1 month ago
wow taking her quotes and using them out of context and then arguing against them shows how stupid you are..what a waste of 11 minutes watching this...
alexpoobum 1 month ago 6
@alexpoobum I believe this guy knows what he is talking about. I am writing a book about health and everything durianrider said is true. Plants contain proteins, and vegans are weak-then how do you describe Carl Lewis? do your own research and you will see why Dr.Esselstyn, McDougall, Ornish and Barnard are CURING diabetes and heart disease. Who did this lady cure??
bokiboy 2 days ago
well, ive heard different things. in the eat right for your body type, based on blood types some do well with the vegan like diets, like type A and then Some do not like other types. but who knows really and I havnt studied all the other avenues yet. im a type A, and seem to respond well so far.
MsSMSgirl 1 month ago
I like this video mate, but you need to learn what subjective and objective means. I doubt seriously many of your comments can be called objective because you have an obvious bias for Vegan dieting. I'm not saying Vegan dieting is wrong, I'm saying you are not in a position to be held as a very good objective source. Just saying, mate.
Devilen73 1 month ago
This woman is a fucking liar, I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat beef once a week! I don't eat it at all, ever! I wouldn't be a vegetarian if I did eat meat, stupid bitch!
Devilen73 1 month ago
I suggest you read Primal Body, Primal Mind to get your medical info correct... if you're more interested in searching for scientific truth.than defending Vegetarianism for it's own sake.
insanedieg01 1 month ago
Thank you so much for your information so I can prove all of my meat eater friends wrong for the obviously illogical things they say. Keep doing what you do and ignore the hater flesh eaters. Vegan Power!
ProdigyBroListens 1 month ago
We have canine teeth we have incisors we are meat eaters period...we can also consume fruits and vegetables...look at a cows teeth, then look at a dogs teeth, we are smack dab in the middle of both. one is a plant eater and one is a meat eater. We have the best of both worlds...put your mouth to good use...stop talking nonsense and eat some food from the 4 or 5 (or whatever it is now) FOOD GROUPS. You have 1 mouth 2 eyes 2 ears...don't talk...look and listen, you were made for it.
superscope61 1 month ago
Most of this world used to be a tropical rainforest...it will return to that no matter what we do. There is no such thing as global warming...we have been coming out of an ice age for about the last 50,000 years, it is simply the planet repairing itself from a massive asteroid impact. That is a fact and there is no disputing it...the earth will always return to it's former glory...we are small in comparison to nature, if we do not turn from our selfish ways we will be our own demise.
superscope61 1 month ago
We need to be at balance with nature...if we are not, nature will take us out. We must find different ways to build our homes...instead of chopping down every tree on the planet. We must have a balanced diet not just one part of it, sorry but that includes meat, vegetables, grains, dairy, fruit, fish, sugar, salt, minerals, herbs, spices, do you get the idea...I hope you do because the longer you live in denial of nature the quicker nature will take you out. Balance is the key.
superscope61 1 month ago
The problem is a simple one. There is too much excess in this world we live in...too many rich people, too many poor people, too much industry, etc. There needs to be a balance in a world,,,in any world...or it will not survive. Some of the best times humans have ever lived in were pre-world war times. I do nt advocate socialism, communism, facism, or any ism for that matter, we MUST all work together for the common good or there will be no way we will survive the next 100 years.
superscope61 1 month ago
i guess all that sugar's not so good for your teeth
supercell42 1 month ago
Thank you for this video, opposed to what was said before, you did make crucial points to what she is putting out into the world. And thank you for backing up what you're saying. She states we have the shortest digestive track of any primate, but our track is a mile long? While a carnivore (lion) have short tracks to eject meat quickly, while ours stays up to 6 weeks in our stomach. Would you eat meat left on the counter ,@ 98 degrees after 6 weeks then eat it? No it'd be rotten just like inside
LittleLikeness3 1 month ago
@LittleLikeness3 Take a biology class, you sound like an idiot...our digestive system is built to dissolve and excrete what we put in our mouths in a matter of hours, days at most... Boy, all you 'know it alls' who really know nothing are exhausting!
lpwebmistress 1 month ago
This guy is the best anti vegan diet argument I've ever seen :D
1880671 1 month ago
Yes, Lierre has good ideas concerning mass production and mass consumption. We ALL need to reduce our consumption, which will in turn reduce production. BUT, to blame a plant based diet on the planet's woes? Not sure she has it right there. Me eating a cow is not going to bring back the rain forest or restore the coral reef. But, mindfulness for everything I do makes the difference.
gayajyoti 1 month ago
Our bodys best fuel is ketons arrived from burning fat. No, we do not need carbs in our food to create the amount of glucose needed for our brain (the process called gluconeogenesis). Cancer cells though need glucose to live and grow.
Smoroga 1 month ago
learn your physiology dude, we have wayyyy toooo much sugar in our diet and glycogen is meant to be an easily accessible RESERVE of glucose. ( BTW ex vegan of many years Lierre is awesome)
RichardTardif1984 1 month ago 5
"the human body was never meant to absorb THAT AMOUNT of sugar." She doesn't say to totally refrain from it as you suggest with your inane oxygen rebuttal. You need both oxygen and glucose to survive, however too much of either will kill you.
You know that there is good and bad cholesterol, HDL vs LDL ....right?
Finally, it is very easy to make someone sound like a flip-flopping politician when you are using snippets of an interview from your own program where you get to ask the questions
mattst7 1 month ago 2
This is actually a weak, cherry-picking, smarmy comeback.
LincolnBrigham 1 month ago
this guy is a moron.
PixeeLi 1 month ago
In 1928 Vilhjalmur Stefansson and Karsten Anderson were the subjects in a year long experiment to study this all-meat diet. By testing the urine the experimenters could be sure that the subjects never consumed any carbohydrates for the entire duration of the test. They consumed an average of 2lbs of meat per day, which contained about 2600 calories of which 80% came from fat. The surprising result that came out of the study was that nothing much happened.
onatarazz 2 months ago
question. from where does your lipo soluble vitamins come? do you rely on synthetic supplements? this should tell you that Humans cannot be full vegans. Supplements did not exist 200 years ago nevertheless 10000 years ago. this guy should look into adrenal gland fatigue and thyroid dysfunction and then maybe he'll understand.
onatarazz 2 months ago
im vegan. i do not eat beef once a week. i do not eat beef ever.
that lady is talking lies.
xCowsCanFly 2 months ago
They have actually made per reviewed scientific studies in regard to milk. It turns out that countries that drinks a lot of milk has more hip-fractures/100000 population than low milk countries.
maggru91 2 months ago
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@maggru91
"They have actually made per reviewed scientific studies in regard to milk. It turns out that countries that drinks a lot of milk has more hip-fractures/100000 population than low milk countries."
That's true. But it was observational studies. We can't show cause and effect with those. So we can't say the increase in hip fractures was caused by milk. It could have been caused by the cereals eaten with that milk, or by some other unrelated factor.
JackFook 2 months ago
@maggru91 sciencedaily July 2009 reviews a huge number of milk studies and finds that milk might be contributing to longevity, which in turn might be affecting the hip fracture rate. Presenting one factoid from a study, as you do re hip fractures, does not make a compelling argument when other factors could well be at play.
desperatepilgrim 1 month ago
She is a retard.
maggru91 2 months ago 2
P.S. I have a buddy who rode his bike across the country. He looked great afterward. Six-pack abs. Lost all his excess fat. I asked him what he ate. He said, "Junk food, mostly, because I was eating at convenience stores. When you ride your bike all day you can eat whatever you want and lose weight." Just pointing out that sugars seem to go well with heavy cycling. But not everyone is into or wants to be into heavy cycling. Myself, I don't think long rides are good the family jewels.
zigster9999 2 months ago
Rider, fruits and plants don't contain much glucose. You conveniently sweep this fact under the rug too often for my taste. Glucose comes from several sources including amino acids. For example, fructose, the primary sugar in fruit, does not run every cell in the human body--in fact it runs none of them--0%. The liver must convert it to glucose first. This requires work on the part of the liver. If you want to speak in the big leagues of nutrition, you have to stop glossing over these details.
zigster9999 2 months ago
I'm going to write a book called "The Lierre Keith Myth". I'd call it something worse but peakmoment is not allowing freedom of speak so use your imagination, folks!
MrStokeGuy 2 months ago
Good video, Durianrider. I've been a vegan for over 20 years, and have experienced none of the health problems that Lierre Kieth claims would occur in vegans.
NancyHey 3 months ago
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zzap999 3 months ago
@durianrider Then Inuit people should have been wiped out a long time ago! They discovered the best way to live in a unhospitable land centuries ago and not only survived, but thrived.
Animal produce contains complete protein, certain vitamins that are not found in plant matter (B12 for example), and fat for energy without the negative effects of an insulin spike from over-consuming starchy carbohydrates!
ExtremeWellness 3 months ago
@ExtremeWellness I'm not going to comment on all of the errors in what you've written but Innuit people have thrived? Innuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer that the overall Canadian population.
Racquelle40 2 months ago
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@Racquelle40
"Innuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present"
I noticed that everything you've cited is observational, not experimental. If you understand the difference, you know that you can't show cause and effect, can't prove anything with that kind of evidence. Can you cite experimental studies instead please?
JackFook 2 months ago
@ExtremeWellness Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that historically Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@Racquelle40
"Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya."
Point us to those statistics please.
JackFook 2 months ago
@ExtremeWellness The Inuit (Eskimo) have the highest osteoporosis rates in the world. In a study of 217 children, 89 adults, and 107 elderly Inuit in Alaska, researchers found that they had lower bone mineral content, onset of bone loss at an earlier age, and development of bone thinning with a greater intensity than white Americans. The scientists attributed the greater degeneration to the acidic effects of the Inuit's high meat diet.
Seriously do some research before you speak
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@Racquelle40
"The Inuit (Eskimo) have the highest osteoporosis rates in the world. In a study of 217 children, 89 adults, and 107 elderly Inuit in Alaska"
Give us the name of that study please. Pubmed ID# will do just fine if it's available there.
JackFook 2 months ago
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eduardokkss 3 months ago
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eduardokkss 3 months ago
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As I posted before on the video of Lierre Keith's interview (watch?v=rNON5iNf07o):
Even Dr. Mercola who is essentially a pro-meat advocate says that the BEST sources of vitamin A is from green leafy vegetables, the BEST source of vitamin D are from exposure to sunlight, and the BEST source of vitamin K2 is from fermented foods like natto in the form of MK-9.
Clearly she is getting her facts wrong.
sabby123456789 3 months ago
its the meat n dairy (milk is for baby cows, get soymilk) that lead to heart attack, stroke, ed, pad.
Ms4mula1 3 months ago
I am also a vegan. I watched her interview thing. I don't think she is advocating for a non-vegan diet in the current state of affairs due to factory farming etc. She seems to just be an anarcho-primitivist...i mean she presents a goal which is obviously idealistic and unrealistic at best so i dont find her a threat to the vegan philosophy...if it really came down to an anarcho-primitivist society, then obv we would more closely examine the merits of eating meat vs. vegan diet...
EftahYaSemsem1991 3 months ago
your wrong Harley,your only explaining part truths,when the liver is full of glycogen excess sugars are then stored as fat.Stop peddling your bike and keep eating your bananas and see how quickly you get fat. Athletes can eat almost anything and burn it off and stay lean.How come there is not one tribe that is vegetarian?.
rockcityaudio 3 months ago
your wrong
rockcityaudio 3 months ago
@durianriders watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo full title: The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing)?
In that video, Chris Gardner explains that the Atkins group did better in all things measured including weight loss, than the other three groups. Atkins is a low carb diet. Why would glucose be the preferred diet for the whole body when humans do better when they eat less glucose?
JackFook 3 months ago
@JackFook Seriously the Atkin's Diet? That 'diet' has been so thoroughly proven wrong and unhealthy...I just have to laugh and shake my head that ignorance...
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@Racquelle40
"Seriously the Atkin's Diet? That 'diet' has been so thoroughly proven wrong and unhealthy"
Cite one study where the Atkins diet has been proven wrong and unhealthy please. I cited one study which showed the Atkins diet better than Ornish and two other diets in a direct comparison.
JackFook 2 months ago
@JackFook I looked through your comments and see no studies cited
Racquelle40 2 months ago
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@Racquelle40
"I looked through your comments and see no studies cited"
You replied to my Atkins comment, right? That's the study.
JackFook 2 months ago
@durianriders @1:19 "Every cell runs on glucose"
If glucose was the preferred fuel for the whole body, then why do humans store the bulk of their energy as fat? Why do all other species, including herbivores, store the bulk of their energy as fat? It's a herbivore, it should prefer glucose as fuel, right? So why does the cow/elk/whatever store the bulk of its calories as fat?
JackFook 3 months ago
@durianriders @1:19 "Every cell runs on glucose"
Durian, do you know the fallacy of composition? It's when you assume what applies to individuals in a group, also applies to the group as a whole. Lierre says "the human body", you say "cells". Maybe you're suggesting that glucose should be good or is the preferred fuel for the whole body? Is that what you meant? While cells may run on glucose, it does not prove that the appropriate/preferred diet for the whole body is glucose.
JackFook 3 months ago
dude... you need some cholesterol. you sound upset.
joshmss 3 months ago
Lol, you say you're objective, then fail to not only define what you mean by that, but disprove it with your statement about milk (that's not an objective statement). You say she's bad for believing online sources...all of your sources were online ones. You say having too much of something isn't bad; PEOPLE DIE FROM DRINKING TOO MUCH WATER, for crying out loud, never the less have too much sugar. I can't believe your argument about nutrition now because of these slip-ups. Refine your argument.
wolfforce58205 4 months ago
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Dude don't you get it? She is always talking about overpopulation and trying to get it under control, she is trying to that by getting people to eat lots more red meat so they will all die!! LMAO I laugh but I reallly think that. Has she seen the people in line at the local burger king? Do they look healthy? Whats that they need more meat! Look if she said eating a couple ounces of meat 2-3 times a week would not hurt you that would be something we could debate, but that sounded like BS to me.
lukethibodaux 4 months ago
@lukethibodaux
"Has she seen the people in line at the local burger king? Do they look healthy?"
What else does Burger King serve besides meat? Potatoes, soft drinks, deserts, ice cream, apple pies, etc. All carbs, grains and hydrogenated vegetable oils. How much you wanna bet those customers eat more of that than they do meat?
JackFook 2 months ago
@JackFook Good ole jackfook, all over the map again? Eating meat is immoral! Check out this video! /watch?v=6r5a9zDv0E8
haridham 2 months ago
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@haridham
"Good ole jackfook, all over the map again? Eating meat is immoral! Check out this video! /watch?v=6r5a9zDv0E8"
I'll discuss morality with you. I thought that's what you wanted too. But as soon as you showed animals in the pen in that video, you lost me, I stopped watching. I have little respect for appeal to emotion. Can you make the same argument but without the shock images?
JackFook 2 months ago
@haridham
Have you ever considered the effect of shock images on intellect? When we say it's traumatizing, we're not kidding. It has a serious and sometimes permanent effect on our behavior. If that's what you count on to make your argument stick, that's a tactic often used to make a weak argument stick. Are your arguments so weak that you need that kind of tactic? You're smart. Think of a way to convince me intellectually, not emotionally.
JackFook 2 months ago
My theory is that when she broke up with her vegan husband she wanted to change her life by flipping her life around. Its crazy.
Fabianv 5 months ago
@Fabianv She's probably just a narcissist who reinvents herself every now and then and then preaches her new lifestyle. Either way she didn't make a good job or being a vegan/vegetarian because it was a label and lifestyle for her and she probably didn't put much effort into eating healthily, drinking lots of water, eating lots of fresh fruit and vegetables and getting enough sleep.
lemsip 4 months ago
people are trying to save nature, that is harmed by the "unnatural behavior" of humans, by acting "unnatural". oh the irony...
gigar9000 5 months ago
Diet should reflect your lifestyle, geography and the climate in which you live.
A vegan diet is not designed for a cold climate for the obvious reason that plant food will not be available in nature.
A meat based diet is not designed for a land that cannot support animals.
Eat the food that nature provides!
ExtremeWellness 5 months ago 12
@ExtremeWellness
Cold climate is not a climate for humans to live in in the first place. Besides, meat lacks a lot of nutrients that can only be found in plants. How are humans going to be healthy in cold climates?
ZoldierrZzz 3 months ago
@ZoldierrZzz
"Besides, meat lacks a lot of nutrients that can only be found in plants."
That's probably true. But it's even more true that meat contains essential nutrients that can't be found in plants. You know the difference between regular nutrients and essential nutrients, right?
JackFook 2 months ago
@JackFook What essential nutrient do plants not provide? There are several plant sources of all 8 essential amino acids, if that's what you're trying to speak about.
Racquelle40 2 months ago
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@Racquelle40
"There are several plant sources of all 8 essential amino acids, if that's what you're trying to speak about"
That's true. Unfortunately, humans can't digest plant fiber, and those 8 essential amino acids happen to be contained inside that indigestible plant fiber. So it doesn't matter how much amino acids those plants contain, does it.
JackFook 2 months ago
@JackFook No it's not, check out Harley's video showing his blood test. If he didn't get everything he needed from plant foods then his blood test wouldn't look the way it does.
ElizarTringov 2 months ago
@ElizarTringov
"If he didn't get everything he needed from plant foods"
Harley does not get everything he needs from plant foods: He supplements! B12 injections, you've seen it, yes? If he's willing to inject himself with something he could get from meat just because of his higher moral attitude, how far do you think he's willing to go to maintain his reputation?
JackFook 2 months ago
@JackFook Your argument is invalid, Harley has "Paleo" friends who have B12 deficiency.
ElizarTringov 2 months ago
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@ElizarTringov
"Your argument is invalid, Harley has "Paleo" friends who have B12 deficiency."
Harley injects B12.
JackFook 2 months ago
@ExtremeWellness
Do they feed giraffes in London zoo different food than Giraffes in Sydney ? Animals of the same species are designed to eat the food that they are designed to eat. Humans originally evolved in the tropics where sweet fruit was/is plentiful. Nothing has changed!
justintonation29 2 months ago
@ExtremeWellness Question: Where do the animals where there are no plant foods find their nutrients? Eating each other only? No.
marcluc1988 1 month ago
@ExtremeWellness Exactly! It's as simple as that. Great logical point - thanks! When we go back to eating for soley for sustenance rather than for recreation, we'll all be better off!
JamaicanTrooper 1 month ago
Hey, can I get the number to your connection in Afganistan?
2634Bets 7 months ago
Get with the program.... you have no idea what you're talking about do you durianrider?
bestijow 9 months ago
@bestijow Hey, just watch this video again. You obviously missed the crucial points.
durianriders 9 months ago
@durianriders You didn't MAKE any 'crucial points' . Pretty much all this video 'proves' is that you didn't have it in you to actually read the book you were critiquing. Load of bullshit yet again, Haaaarley.
Lakkhesis1976 5 months ago 19
just because someone eats cholesterol it doesn't mean that you are going to have heart problem, even if they eat quite a lot of it. it is a lot more complicated than that. you can eat a lot of cholesterol and be very healthy. if you have already damaged your arteries with hydrogenated fats then it causes complications too so check out cholesterol first before saying its bad because it is actually good for you even in amounts that you may consider to be high. everything in moderation as always.
ballbagbaggins 11 months ago
@ballbagbaggins Shooting defenseless animals point blank in the head with a bolt gun is okay if it's done in moderation. How about shooting humans in the head point blank with a bolt gun? Is that okay in moderation too?
Of course not. Hypocrite.
1imesub 9 months ago
@1imesub tell that to the carnivorous hyenas who rip the flesh off their prey.
evelsteev 7 months ago
@evelsteev Tell hyenas to use guns? Explain
1imesub 7 months ago
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evelsteev 7 months ago
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I'd rather be shot in the back of the head, then have the flesh ripped off my body:
/watch?v=C8AdFhV7w-0
evelsteev 7 months ago
@ballbagbaggins Some people are genetically gifted & can eat whatever they want and be healthy. However, the general population does not benefit from high saturated, cholesterol diets, that has been proven. Dietary cholesterol only comes from animal sources, we dont need to eat any bc we produce it already. We also dont need to be vegan to be healthy just eat more Legumes, fruits, vegetables,etc than animals. Point be clear, veganism is safe has less of a carbon footprint than any other diet.
jgb02e 6 months ago
What is your source for complete B vitamins? What is your favorite compete protien???
wwood14 11 months ago
@wwood14 I really like Red Star Nutritional Yeast, makes a great vegan hollandaise(with lemon juice, nut milk, non-dairy margarine or olive oil and potato starch - add spices if you like), and Swiss Natural Vit B12 supplement (1000 mcg) twice a week. I enjoy Quinoa, it's great as a side(instead of rice or pasta) and is great cold in salads! Anyway, just thought I would share a few of my faves, lol!
Shaganapimoone 7 months ago
@Shaganapimoone I like your ideas. I found out that people ask vegans about B12, when almost everyone is B12 deficient. Anyone who cleans and cooks meat is likely to be B12 deficient.
wwood14 7 months ago
@wwood14 Incorrect. B12 def is rare. B12 is mainly found from animal sources, that is why vegans have a greater risk of becoming B12 deficient. Fortunately, it takes 3-10 yrs to become deficient and nutritional yeast and/or a B12 supplement suffice for Vegans.
jgb02e 6 months ago
@jgb02e I didn't make that up about B12 def. Here is a quote from a web page: "A recent study within continental USA showed that up to 40% of human population suffers from some degree of vitamin B12 deficiency". I don't think vegans make up 40% of the north American population. And I don't think 40% indicates rare occurance.. B12 is produced by bacteria that are usually washed off or killed off by cooking. It occures naturally in the colon and mouth, but due to Floride(my opinion) killed off.
wwood14 6 months ago
Right on Harley, enjoyed this. talk about one confusing, contradicting woman. But she's not thinking clearly from all the animal products she has ALWAYS consumed - lol. thanks for what you do :)
julescurt 11 months ago 2