Harlows Monkeys

[MsAngeeGemini]

This absolutely broke my heart! Poor monkeys, I bet they did the experiment so many times, and to so many different baby monkeys.

This is not okay at all!

[MissLlewella]

And this is normal life to a lot of human babies and children, raised with artificial tools instead of a mother. They get everything they want, material stuff, but is that enough to raise a emotional en social being? More and more people get lonely, depressed, sick, disfunctional.

[MalevolentFriend]

I hope this guy goes to hell

[TheLisetteMusic]

This made me cry :(

[rastaR00STER]

Aaaaaaw

[yellowbookjones]

Ok. The folks who want to kill humans or put human babies in closets need to calm the f**k down. Experimentation on animals has given us breakthroughs we would not have otherwise had. As a matter of fact, these emotionally irrational people threatening human life over these experiments would likely have lost a relative to an illness science found a cure for through animal research. So calm down!!! Would you rather have your family healthy and alive or a monkey??? K, thanks.

[Bobby2000222]

You might not like this experiment but it was influential, not just in psychology but in animal research ethics.

What is worse is the monkeys that were kept in isolaion for upto 15 years!

I haven't heard a good argument for this length of isolation yet.

[JuneLeanna]

@AshlieelsHere

This isn't sick, it is an experiment to find out more about the attachment theory and it gives very significant points. I test on rats and their lives do not go in vain, their lives help contribute to society and the sciences in so many ways, it is crucial and beneficial to us. Without animal testing, humans wouldn't have all of the technology that we do now. That means you wouldn't have the technology either. As kjun13 said, Science requires sacrifice.

[riceeggsandspam]

@JuneLeanna give me your newborn baby so i can leave it in my closet for 15 years. don't worry, it's nice and quiet (:

[Tabithaducky93]

monkeys are not that different to humans and these monkeys were subjected to depression and loneliness just so harlow could get his research.

the good thing is after this experiment he lost alot of fans and respect from the pcychology world.

[ratemyswing1]

@Tabithaducky93 no, the good is that he revolutionized the way we treat abused children. Also, monkeys don't go through depression. That is a human emotion.

[kjun13]

Science requires sacrifice.

[EoinStidster]

Not really overtly "cruel"... they're monkeys

Would you rather if it were done on humans..?

Or if the research weren't conducted at all?

Billions of PEOPLE are living in poverty, and you're worried about a sad monkey?

[jmn07965]

@EoinStidster Monkeys share exactly the same features as humans on the emotional level as they do humans.We ARE primates just like them, but with higher evolved levels of thinking, language, and opposable thumbs. They experience the same feelings that you and I do - they simply aren't able to put it into WORDS. Billions of people live in poverty because of people, not monkeys. While I agree with you that the research is valuable, I don't agree with your statement that they are "just monkeys".

[EoinStidster]

@jmn07965 We can idealize all we want that other species feel "emotions" on the same level as we do, but the reality is that no monkey or any other animal on earth has the cognitive maturity of humans that allows us to process emotions as we know them.

Animal rights advocates are people who can't see that there are billions of people that need our help and money more than a bunch of fucking animals.

[bobzeda]

Yes, this makes me sad. I don't like cruelty to animals but the study when watched in its entirety is fascinating. The closeness of human behavior to monkeys is amazing. These experiment produces the same psychological disorder in monkeys that happens in humans.

They don't show in this short video but this money goes through 'therapy' to adjust to being with other monkeys. It’s fascinating because he DOES adjust! He loses his shyness!

This helps humans with developmental/pysch disorders.

[anndon]

It is really upsetting to watch these poor monkeys in a room with other monkeys. They're so scared and vulnerable. Truly the psychological impact was great.

However, this experiment demonstrated something wonderful to the world:

It taught them that physical contact was an important part of nurturing children. People really believed at the time that it was better to never touch your kids, but Harlow proved that even monkeys needed it let alone humans.

[Imogen1885]

So cruel.

[xblewan93]

you may find it horrifying and I agree it is but this research is vital to our understanding of how attachment and other psychological theories work, I know many people that have only said that they hated this clip because "it hurt the cute monkey" and that is the reason many of you probably hate this experiment but without this type of research then it would be impossible to understand how humans and animals work

[UhClaire]

Genuinely upset by the state of the baby monkey. He looks so terrified. What's worse is that it's going to damage him for like and that he had no escape..

[junkintrunk55]

@UhClaire Monkeys operate on reaction and instinct. They are not capable of "Terror""love" "hate""hope" etc. I have seen a baboon throw her baby at a predator to escape. Some thimes the mama drage the baby to death. When a new leader takes over, he kills all the babies so the females go in heat and mate with him.

Don't put human traits on these things, it doesn't fit.

[balboa207]

stupid! i hate this experiment

[johncase7777]

What we need to do for the good of mankind is get one of these monkeys and completely feel it up with cheese and see what happens to it. It could cure aids.

[psychar90]

Its so sad the monkey looks so traumatised!

[terenceokane]

the isolated monkey looks like a scared kid when he walks out. looks like a kid from a broken home who keeps to himself and gets in fights. thats all i can think about it when i see stand there with his hand over his face.

[terenceokane]

fucking crazy

[Tmoney211]

the truth is many humans are raised just like this monkey, the symptoms of it are everywhere you look.

[redeyes99]

We are all monkeys!!

~V~

[ALiicKz]

Doesn't anyone remember History GCSE. Well let me remind you, before it was appropriate to dissect humans primates were dissected instead, the assumption was that humans and primates had the same anatomy. Then later on it was found that there were big differences including kidneys, teeth, jaw structure etc... What I am saying is, you can't assume that primates and humans make bonds the same way.

[matrags]

I like the bit at the end where the monkeys all scared and that....hehehe...look at that little fucker.

[deargcass]

Does anyone know where this footage is from?

[Duvmasta]

I think this is from a TV documentary on "feral children."

[AshlieeIsHere]

this is sick. i know it to find out how atachment can alter our future being, apparently, but you can see the pure terror and confusion in the monkey;s in a way it sort of like animal abuse. he other experiment on scaring the monkey was horrible and upsetting.

[joemama413]

This is old footage, and I imagine they were just learning these things. Also, no one needs your opinions you hippie.

[SarahMic90]

It's not that old in comparison to the experiment itself, which was carried out in the 1970's - there is origional footage on youtube of it.

[SarahMic90]

Don't torture yourself by watching it if it upsets you :)

[mmk543]

@AshlieeIsHere Fuck You! Legitimate scientific advances have come from fucking up monkey's lives.

[LeikRawr]

@AshlieeIsHere who cares, theyre just monkeys :/

[xXxANIMExROCKERxXx]

@AshlieeIsHere Ok. idk if my comment is the only nice one (The other kids prove to be ignorant XD) but yes I see that this is sick and it screwed up the monkeys life, and thats why this experiment is considered not ethical and can't be repeated. Which is good. Harry Harlow only did this experiment to prove that we animals need comfort from our mother and we would starve to death just to have a nice soft comfortable place that we feel protected and happy. I also found this experiment to be wrong.

[chuyorey]

@AshlieeIsHere FUCK HARLOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billyclub0]

He proved that sex and parenting were learned traits!

And that without playing, you cant learn.

[o0Theresa0o]

The experiment was to test whether attachment was a derivative of the need for food, or the need for comfort. The monkey's always went for comfort, showing that primates (including humans) are attached to their mother/parental figure because of their protection and not because they provide them with food. Although the experiments are awful and it's horrible how these poor things were psychologically damaged, it provided some important insight to the human condition.

[cudmachine]

HES A FUCKING MONSTER.

[KillerBubblegum]

Silliegirl, only God loves you. In case you didn't know though, God's a killer and death is the least he can do to you. I wouldn't piss him off, with your disrespect for all living things.

[frustration369]

sillygirl - you sound bored to me and the only way to ease your boredom is to watch monkeys/apes being tortured. Classic case of child abuse ...

[ladyflora1992]

i kno this experiment was really mean but the care system 4 the orphans got better an the findings frm this experiment started off all the foster care chldren had more emotional support because of this experiment.......

[jobogee]

you know that most serial killers start off by torturing small animals. you sound insane, are you a sociopath? that's just sadistic and if you really mean it, i think you're disgusting and a very scary individual.

[silliegirl50]

Heh Heh then you better watch your back and by the way I would love to torture only monkeys and apes

[jobogee]

I'm having trouble figuring out if you're serious, or you're just desperate for attention. Either way it's pretty sad.

[lancidi]

Good luck to the little monkey. I hope it's not a lifelong damage for him..

[lionheart9103]

This happened about fifty years ago. And when those monkeys grew up, they were absolutely psychotic. They were damaging themselves and the whole psycho bit. I believe one even chewed off his hand, while others chewed off their fingers and such.

[madichelp0]

but do you know that psycopaths NEVER tell anyone about it, and that they are friendly? hes just an asshole...

[Raven4139]

What kind of sick freak are you!?!?!?

[silliegirl50]

I am not a sick freak my dear just an enlighten person

[forsakenfallenangel]

lol sillie xD

[Raven4139]

you call tht enlightened! My god wot a loser! silliegirl you really are cleary stupid and if you actually believe what you are saying then you need to be locked away

[Edhallick]

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid this Dr. Mengele I mean Dr. Harlow is. How astounding the monkey goes to the cloth. Yeah, lets put Dr, Harlow in a steel wire cage with one blanket for 17 hours and see where he sleeps. Oh look *slap my head* ! He`s sleeping on the blanket! He must have mother issues!

[lionheart9103]

You're stupid. He did a huge number of expereiments about these monkeys. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Humans aren't monkeys, monkeys aren't humans. Harlow did an experiment he dubbed the Iron Maiden, in which the terry cloth surrogate mother would shoot out blasts of freezing air strong enough to throw the monkeys back, or stab them with small spikes. Still the monkeys clung to that mother. As for the other surrogate mothers, if even one small aspect was changed, they went berserk.

[silliegirl50]

this is the ugliest looking snot fucker. Hey I have and idea throw this snot out the window and see if it flies

[irenemilan]

grazie di cuore per aver messo qusto video!

[miketallica666]

look at that poor monkey

[fishmarc]

Harlow was a demented man. His wife left him and he became more sadistic in his experiments. He would tie an infant to a cross and put it in with other damaged infants and watch them torture the one on the cross. Then he came up with the pits of dispair. The only thing this teaches us is that humans are depraved. The dicotomy here is that on one hand they use these monkeys because they are like us, but deny that they have feelings. Sound crazy to anyone else????? This continues to this day.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

the cross thing was to investigate if they could recover monkeys which had been abused. It actually helped to give us treatments for people with rape trauma syndrome. And the pit of despair thing helped to identify needs of children and now teachers,carers and nurses are trained in this

[fishmarc]

Really. I have first hand knowledge of sex abuse and none of the PROFESSIONALS i work with every used this research. Your arguement is that torturing primates that can't speak is more effective than actually talking with victims of abuse who can verbalize what they think, feel and need? How assinine is that? On one hand you use them because they are like us, on the other hand you say they do not feel the emotions you just said they did to justify comparitive psychology experiments on animals.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

well from the experiment they learned that the monkeys couldn't be recovered thats why i said helped and not developed treatments. Before this study they we're still using behaviorism to treat victims of abuse after this study it was officially excluded so some good did come of it. Oh and your argument is a bit flawed when did i ever say torturing primates is better than psychoanalysis?

[fishmarc]

Saying that these experiments helped humans is where you implied that torturing primates helps humans. TALKING to abuse victims helps them. These experiments go on to this day and are not used by psychiatrists, psychologists or counsilors. There is flaw. What they do accomplish is to bring in millions in grant money to universities, provide tenure for professors and provide thesis' for graduate students. That's it, nothing more.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

so you say but wheres your evidence and i don't think saying that animal testing helps humans means that i prefer primate torture over psychoanalysis

[fishmarc]

The evidence is called clinical work on humans. The problem is that it is labor intensive and you actually have to go out and talk with pesky humans. There are millions to be made by doing comparative psychology tests on primates and you can have your lab techs do most of the work. How much easier, right? We are talking about 100's of billions of dollars here for this. This does not help humans. Talk to a practicing psychiatrist and ask them how much of this research they use.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

personally i think this study taught us alot about privation and how to deal with it and also helped to confirm bowlby's theory of the critical period . Whether or not you think that however i am not trying to change plus on the syllabus i did this year we got taught this study as an example of what not to do in terms of animal ethics as well as others.

[fishmarc]

Anarchistin: First of all it is called DEprivation, some maternal others sight, contact, etc. A syllabus describes what will be taught in class. You either were or were not taught animal ethics in a class this year. Look, I think you mean well, are young and need some tutoring if you plan on finishing college unless you just want to be a lab tech.

[fishmarc]

anarchist: Since that is being phased out soon I can't say that your threat does much to effect me. Or, for that matter anything you say. Done here.

[disturbed911]

yep cas thats the best your gonna get haha

[andywattbulb]

Please, you don't have to torture/study monkeys to know why a antisocial human child behaves the way he does......

[ecurb10]

(cont'd)....to describe people as 'ignorant' was unnecessary and, I suspect, hurtful. Perhaps trying to educate these 'ignorant' people might be a better way to go?

[ecurb10]

martinkleXD, no, I haven't studied the experiment in depth...I gather you have, so I respect your greater knowledge about the subject. No doubt these experiments are valuable, and maybe they are necessary. What I found 'scary' was the vehemence of your response to the others who were simply expressing their sorrow at the monkey's suffering, and legitimately questioning the necessity for it. To describe...cont'd.

[CuriousGeorge1991]

I do study psychology! I am actually planning on doing psychology at university - sure experiments may HELP people, but it's not exactly awful if I say that the experiments don't exactly make me feel happy and joyous!

[martinkleXD]

Oh no dude I cried in the class when she showed it to us, but I agree it was important at the time to discover the outcome of attachments. But a psychologist doing this experiment now would never be allowed to publish their results or allowed to practice psychology again due to the ethical issues it raises and the validity of it, depending on whether you have a behaviourist view or not.

[CuriousGeorge1991]

It is really sad when the monkey was clinging onto the fake monkey for comfort. Some experiments in psychology do make me sad...

[msairs]

omg. When that money was thrown in the room, he tried to run out, and then started behaving like a scared child, holding his hand on his head. dang psychologists.

[evenToddlers]

See YouTube video 'Harlow's Rhesus Monkey Experiments and the Attachment Theory'

[Profbofece]

Really great discussion! Some important points:

1- These experiments were made in the 50s and likely would not be approved today. The treatment of these monkeys would be deemed unethical

2- Sadly unethical experiments like this are the ones which help to change our understanding of what it means to be 'ethical'

Many people believe this experiment began the "animal liberation movement"

3- This was 1 of the earliest studies of attachment, and is meant to show the roots of attachment theory.

[monkeystinos]

nr 1, sickly, that wouldnt be allowed today, but the torture (followed by murder) of thousands and thousands of animals (including monkeys) is ok, just because it "has" to be done to test things like sweets for in your coffee or mascara for the ladys...

sick, twisted, murdering world... and no-one cares..

[evenToddlers]

All,

For those interested in human attachment theories got to say the human interpretation put on the results of these experiments by the narrator is a little out outdated. Modern research shows that small children do not neccesarily seek out 'food' or 'security' but respond to the caregiver who is most 'sensitive' to their needs. This maybe the mother or father.

Kingsley Miller

'even Toddlers Need Fathers'

[SweetDarling17]

Does it make any diffrnce if they are being tested on for cosmetics or discovery really ??

How would any human like it if they wer forced to do anything of this sort, people wer arresed for experimenting on humans, and becuse animals cant deffend them self's they are being forced in to these conditions, prsonally i think it is sick and wrong !!!!!

[martinkleXD]

If you have studied this psychological experiment you would not be as ignorant as to say such things. as someone has already said...it's experiments like these that teach us what is ethical and unethical.

[chunmeep]

totally agree with you martinkle, as someone who is studying psychology, comments like "It is really sad when the monkey was clinging onto the fake monkey for comfort. Some experiments in psychology do make me sad... " just proves how ignorant and stubborn some people are in this world.

[ecurb10]

CHunmeep and martinkleXD, you're scary....and you're going to be treating people some day?!

[martinkleXD]

So have you studied this experiment?

[ComeLeVent]

Dude what's ignorant and stubborn about it? Here we have a little baby clinging at a non-empathetic puppet, scared shitless and damaged for the rest of his life. The result satisfies academic curiosity, not any practical necessities. Even if it was relevant, is there anything wrong with pitying the monkey? Relax.

[eatMOARcake]

I'd like to point out the fact that you're adding things to my statement that weren't there. In the field of PSYCHOLOGY AND ONLY PSYCHOLOGY, you have to submit a request to use animals as test subjects. It's very difficult to meet the requirements.

What I said, and this case have absolutely nothing to do with the cow in my hamburgers or the rabbits on coats that I don't ever wish to own. I fully oppose animal testing for cosmetics and real fur for fashion.

[eatMOARcake]

Do you know how hard it is to get permission to use test animals? I heard a story from my Psychology teacher that a colleague tried to get permission to house experimental rats. He was declined because the environment, although almost immaculate was unfit for the rats to live in.

[eatMOARcake]

The reason why the monkeys acted differently later in life is proven in later experiments. The monkeys need social interaction and movement to develop like monkeys in the wild. Like I said, they were in general raised differently, therefore ended up different just like humans would.

[SweetDarling17]

Omgawsh :O

Why do they do thses things to animals , i strongly oppose to such things because i would not like to go through this

I think Experimenting on animas should be banned compleatly !!!!

[eatMOARcake]

You do not know ANYTHING about these animals. ALL test animals used in psychological studies are treated like VIPs. They do not abuse the animals in any way, unlike the cosmetic industry which puts animals in danger by putting foreign substances on their bodies to test for allergy problems that may affect humans. That sort of animal testing is wrong and needs to be stopped. However, animals testing with the brain is a completely different story.

[eatMOARcake]

The monkeys were treated very well, just raised differently than monkeys in the wild. It's just like in real life. Every child is raised differently. The psychologists are not putting any monkeys in any real danger.

[patience0791]

you idiot, they weren't treated well. They were isolated for a year! This experiment was just cruel. Don't try and justify it by saying 'oh the monkeys were treated like royalty'. THEY WERE NOT, they were treated like crap.

[RachelHC]

I agree. Look up "rape rack" and "pit of despair" on google or wikipedia...

[ta2joe13]

good filthy vermin deserve no better anyways

[molib2000]

@patience0791 Es preferible esto a que introduzcan sustancias químicas en sus estómagos.

[viruricotero]

Great and sad video at the same time.