If you think they were bad then wait unt ML is implimented and you see over a million troops from the UN policing our streets inconjunction with the police and US military.. yeh it's coming, coming sooner then anyone could ever imagine. By the time everyone in this country is unemloyed and the economy has totally collapsed ML will have been implimented and all these morons who thought that we the people were just conspiracy theory nuts will be getting their reality check.. you better wake up
Koresh was a borderline personality with a Christ complex, a dominating cult leader who abused his unnatural control over his unwilling followers and a pedophile and child rapist.
Do you hear this? Huck's hero is a disturbed, authoritarian CHILD MOLESTER!
How do you know Koresh wasn't the messiah returned? He shared the same fate with Jesus...both murdered by the authorities.
Koresh was never charged with pedophilia or rape...please research info about Waco before making more ignorant statements. His followers were free to leave at any time and some actually did but most chose to stay.
If you wish to learn about Waco, then watch the documentaries:
Why didnt they come out, while shooting on the ATF agents?! If they were that criminal, as you say, they would have done it! But they didnt! They just stood inside the house. Not one day,not two or three days,but several weeks. And even though at last, they didnt attack the ATF!They just defended themselves as those ATF agents went violently through the windows into the house. And they even let themselves be burnt alive instead of attacking. That was a criminal act by ATF not by them!
Uh, former victims of the cult's personal accounts?
Like you care anyways. This is common knowledge, and the fact that you actually ask for proof about this tells me you're just another conspiracy theorist, grasping at straws to support your bullshit take on the matter.
Read up on cults; ALL cult leaders are mentally deranged in some way, and they all exploit their followers mentally, economically and often sexually.
This is the first vid I ever watched on this case, and the link you sent me clearly states there was insufficient evidence to prove this, and it does not matter they killed innocent women and children, they are murders plain and simple. But now you got my curiosity going send me the link of the testimony's please and not some fat CIA drug dealers article, the real people stating it please? Its to bad they killed everyone are there could have been a trial like it is supposed to go down.
Yeah they had to bring in the military against the posse comitatus act, why do you think they are putting military on the streets now? Because they know they are going to have to deal with millions of David Koresh's. To bad for them most of the military and police have awoken, the sleeping giant has awoken and the illuminati 's days are coming to an end. They have robed as blind, caused wars, they are pure evil.
tear gas isnt flamible dumbshit. dont tell me to read up on the facts. Next thing you'll be telling me George bush caused Hurricane katrina. And theres Eye witnesses, Davidians i might add, who remember kerosene being spilled around hay bales
Wow you sound like a real life Dale Gribble, The united states never Made "flamible gas grenades" we've made Incendiary grenades using solid white phosphorus, but never any "Flamible gas grenades" Tear gas was pumped in its common knowlage and ive worked with tear gas, its NOT FLAMMIBLE, where did you get your "facts"? might I ask? are you going to tell me That the davidian massicre was linked to area 51 and the vatican is really an FBI Laser pointed at alpha centauri?
Who was it made by may I ask, Sorry but i do ALOT of research behind things like this so I can tell Bias. Im tired of people both far left and far right telling me it was an FBI conspiracy with movies made by The new davidian church. What chememcal was flammable the used CS tear gas.. its not flammable. Now I do honestly believe that the FBI and ATF raided the compound illegally, But Koresh Was abusing his own power and untill I se evidence otherwise ill believe he was a murderer
I'm American and I think the American Government is too Overprotective and trigger happy when Protecting it's children, David Koresh was wrong, but the ATF and the cops were overreacting and using way to much muscle and fire power for the situation and the Davidians started the conflagration by shooting first.
Your country has way to many guns. Next time call in the Dutch or French to get children out of that kind of situation (no matter who is right or wrong). They know how to do that kind of thing without killing children.
Does America think it is acceptable to kill children, are they just 'collateral damage' in any situation. Its murder and the USA can write it up any way it likes.
Man I Know the ATF had warrants so the BD's should have let them inspect and stuff.
But its very clear that the ATF fired the first shot, so they did act in self defense. (These guys believed the apocalypse was upon them so a little crazy yea) The government had no reason to be this strong armed. And flamethrowers into a building with women and children in it? This is simple and plain "MURDER", and we let the ATF get away with it...
They didnt have flamethrowers they sprayed a cs gas mist in the building with that attachment on the tank. The fires were set with kerosine inside the building.
FLIR tape shows that the agents were firing on the Davidians into their one escape path during the fire. It doesn't matter whether Koresh was evil or good. Your tax dollars supported murder that day. (The FBI still claims that they "did not fire one single shot that day."
those people needed to be crushed out of existence. the govt executed perfect justice.oh, and did you see dave mustaine of mega-death at the 42 second mark? i didnt know he was there....roflmao.....................................i get yer goat yet?
"those people needed to be crushed out of existence. the govt executed perfect justice."
Awesome. Death sentences via your sick version of due process. Let's kill all the children while we're at it as well... so they don't grow up to be bad people. Yeehaw!
Thats about the dumbest comment I've read on this. Why would the FBI claim they never shot a gun that day when the press was there to film them shooting guns into the "mad house"?
mmmmmmmkeay (1 day ago) Wait one moment! I thought you knew where all the proof was. You can't even say which court the records are located. You are the one that is makeing these claims; You are supposed to have the evidence readily available. That is if you are not just making things up. Are you? I didn't ask for the name. I asked you for the court records location.
mmmmmmmkeay (2 days ago) Maybe true, maybe not, but bringing claims contrary to claims like this was mass murder, of course, you need to have evidence to discredit; otherwise, they are just your opinions or your restatement of some other person's opinion.
mmmmmmmkeay (1 day ago) Wait one moment! I thought you knew where all the proof was. You can't even say which court the records are located. You are the one that is makeing these claims; You are supposed to have the evidence readily available. That is if you are not just making things up. Are you? I didn't ask for the name. I asked you for the court records location.
I'm sorry, not this film but WACO: The Rules of Engagement. forgot which comments page I was on. Anyway, court records and testimony are public records--you want the truth but you don't want to do any research to find it. No, I don't have a transcript but I don't need one because I WATCHED them when they happened. they were on TV for weeks.
This video is about the storming of the house and killing or forcing the deaths of all within. This deadly attack can not be justified with any claims of abuse. Any attack based on such nonsense is criminal. The people that burned down the house murdered the people inside the house.
ATF blows chunks this video is nothing but propeganda. Apocolypse is the Greek word for NEW BEGINING. Not for "killing as many people as possible" as stated in the video. Just lies to you, big brother shaping that empty space between your ears. And no your not a rabbit, GOT YOU ATTENTION? Repeat after me, "This is all Lies". Good robot, now shove off.
Look, the ATF and FBI come knocking at your door, you have a huge amount of powerful small arms fire, you kill cops, and keep yourself isolated of 51 days, and you expect them to be nice to you? The Davidians and David Koresh caused the deaths of those children the second they said "lets not talk, lets shoot, shoot till they're all dead, or we are." Just cause women and children died doesnt give the Davidians one once of innocence, they brought that horror on themselves, 100%.
well said bofum--I couldn't agree more. doesn't anyone remember how pissed off the american public was during the standoff? they were so mad that the govt. was taking so long to end this. The ATF and FBI gave them EVERY opportunity to end this peacefully even after they murdered 4 agents. I agree it was handled poorly--but they had to put a stop to it. I really don't think the FBI tried to blow up the compound--I'm still not convinced that the Davidians didn't do that themselves.
If they knew he was abusing children they could have picked him up during one of his daily visits to the nearby town and arrested him, then got a search warrant to search his home and handled this in the proper manner. But the govt would rather paint you a story of some loony religious fanatic who was willing to kill everyone by burning the building to the ground. RESEARCH the facts, not the official story mind you, you would find the truth.
who ever said I listened to witnesses? Don't assume you know where the facts are my friend. I've seen the unedited video showing the tanks bulldozing the sides of the compound and pulling out with the flame still flickering on their flame throwers...
I've seen the unedited video of the bumbling ATF agent shooting himself in the foot as he climbed the ladder raiding the compound... and the other ATF agent blindly shooting in the window without looking possibly killing his own comrades.
I know for a fact that those people were murdered because of the ATF and FBI's inability to handle the situation in a professional ethical manner... do your homework my friend... don't assume you know the facts when you have no clue.
I lived in Dallas when that whole thing was going on, I knew people in Waco and several X-Davidians--I have a clue, my friend. so your saying that the other ATF agents shot their own just for an excuse to blow up the compound??? why did they wait 51 days, then? I agree it was handled poorly, no doubt about that, but that doesn't absolve Koresh of his crimes. He was dangerously violent and he had the weapons to proove it. THAT is a FACT.
well maybe you should listen to the witnesses--after all, they were the ONLY ones who truly know what happened inside the compound during the seige and subsequent raid, surely you must agree with that.
listen to the witnesses? which ones? The ATF and FBI? LIARS. The Federal Government and Congress? LIARS. The Davidians in the compound who had no idea that law enforcement had infared and knew where everyone was at every second of the standoff? No. They had no idea they were going to get burned alive by their own Govt.
the fact of the matter is that they were murdered because law enforcement wanted to wipe them off the face of Texas rather than just arrest him for his suspected child abuse charges.....was he molesting kids... probably but they could have handled this with ethics and professionalism rather than abusing their power.
what proof do you have of that? they tried to handle this with ethics--51 days of ethics to be exact. If they wanted to wipe them out, why did they wait so long? they could have gone in on Feb. 29 to do that.
no the survivors who climbed out of the windows to escape the fire--read what they have to say--they are the only ones who know what happened INSIDE during the raid. their stories may surprise you.
The fact that he had the ability to mow down the atf is a sign of his madness, besides you cant prove he let them go just as we cant prove there was abuse to children(which there was u moron). The fact that he didnt kill all the agents when they ran out of ammo in no way or form should be credited to him being innocent, a good guy, or anything along those lines.
the fucker decided it was better to burn everybody in there, rather than having his ass proscecuted for blantant criminal activities he took part in. Fucker was crazy, anyone who cant see that is f'd up 2.
You have no idea what you are talking about. The fire was started after the ATF & the FBI pumped the place with tear gas and then ran into the building with the tankers. I think you should go & get the Waco documentary that shows how the ATF & FBI covered up their murder/s.
yeah I watched that-didn't you notice that the only people that truly defended the Davidians were their bloodsucking defense attorneys? that documentary was slanted and didn't give all the facts. It was made for no other reason than to intice people to watching the program. it was all about ratings, not the truth.
Fact is David was a crazy nut who wanted to fuck as many little girls as possible. Another fact is the FBI totally went nuts and killed them all. 2 wrongs dont make as right
the ATF started this whole thing they went into teh ranch and they shot first. now what would you do if someone shot at your family? o and that fire was started by us tanks and its not hard to find teh footage just serch for it on here youll see
koresh was a religious fanatic abusing little children. there's nothing worse in the world than cild's abuse. they had to capture him. it went terribly wrong, but the idea was right. they should have considered that fpr a religious fanatic dying in a spectacular massacre is much better than being sentenced to death and dying a lonely death in jail, but that is in my opinion the only mistake made by the fbi
Re: Greis90 (1 week ago) Do you have any factual proof that David Koresh was abusing little children? Not even worse than the accused abuse of children of Boys Town by Lawrence King and U.S. elected officials?
do you have any poofs that your conspiracy theories are true? i think it's much more likely that a religious fanatic abuses little children, poses weapons which are not allowed even in the usa, than the idea of the atf rushing the building with the intention to kill and the fbi burning down the building. those two agency do a wonderful job throughout the us, without them you might even not be able to sit at your pc and breed any conspiracy theories
Re: Greis90 (2 days ago) Ha,ha You are the one accusing him of abuse. You POOF that he did as you accused him. Your rants are just that rants in your pants. Or, is it ranty in your panty? So now, show us anything, just anything, you based your accusations of abuse.
there is testimony of female witnesses (Jewel, for one) that accuse him of sexual abuse or at least statuatory rape. he was married to 15 year old girls--that's girls--not just a girl, that part is well known. what more proof do you need. He fathered some 13 children with 7 or 8 women, one of his wives was only 14. Even in TX that's statuatory rape.
if you watch the "Rules of Engagement" doc about the Waco standoff you will see her testimony, under oath, in a court of law. It's only a few words of it--but it does exist.
Yeah i totally forgot about that, the orgies and what not. That's disgusting and I don't agree whatsoever with those immoral actions. I am not trying to blame them I am just saying even if he was a nut it wasn't justification for hurting little children. I heard that the shots weren't from inside that started the whole gunfight. meh.
Of course they attempted to negotiate, but such attempts were rejected. Were they supposed to sit back and let this Koresh nut keep breeding brainwashed followers and abusing children?
"seem" like a horrible extremist? I don't claim to be an expert or that the FBI or BATF are innocent by any means, and I'm glad you vaue innocent life in some circumstances. It was tear gas. Davidians shot themselves and started the fire. Mistakes were made, but your attempt to blame the FBI and BATF for the actions of a psychopathic pedophile is disgusting.
I love how the Police make him seem like such a horrible fanatic extremist even though they are the ones that killed was it 74 people? Children were inside that home being gased. There is no justification for what they did. Even if he was a religious fanatic.
David Koresh allowed the ATF to retreat when they, the officials, ran out of ammunition. He had the chance to massacre the police, but he didn't instead he allowed them to safely back off. Minute 1:04 to 1:06 shows the retreat of ATF with a couple of them even shown with hands and arms raised to indicate truce or mercy requests.
I would tell ya but the hard drive I had the documentary on died on me. I'll try to re-trace my steps and let ya know cause I've been wanting to dig it up again myself.
As much as I despise Koresh, the authorities could have got them all out peacefully if they used there brains, but its the American way to bulldozer on in there, and unfortunately many poor innocent people died on both sides.
david koresh was a great man
TheRivetthead 7 months ago
If anyone wants the truth on what happened at Waco, then watch:
"Waco: A New Revelation"
You can watch it for free on google video..
"Waco: Rules of Engagement" is also good too.
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
can you tell me who made it? so i can do research the filmmakers backround before hand
angrywookie2 2 years ago
If you think they were bad then wait unt ML is implimented and you see over a million troops from the UN policing our streets inconjunction with the police and US military.. yeh it's coming, coming sooner then anyone could ever imagine. By the time everyone in this country is unemloyed and the economy has totally collapsed ML will have been implimented and all these morons who thought that we the people were just conspiracy theory nuts will be getting their reality check.. you better wake up
unoitaliano 2 years ago
Koresh was a hero!
Waco = Unconstitutional use of military to murder innocent men, women, and children.
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
Koresh was a borderline personality with a Christ complex, a dominating cult leader who abused his unnatural control over his unwilling followers and a pedophile and child rapist.
Do you hear this? Huck's hero is a disturbed, authoritarian CHILD MOLESTER!
WinchesterQDouche 2 years ago
How do you know Koresh wasn't the messiah returned? He shared the same fate with Jesus...both murdered by the authorities.
Koresh was never charged with pedophilia or rape...please research info about Waco before making more ignorant statements. His followers were free to leave at any time and some actually did but most chose to stay.
If you wish to learn about Waco, then watch the documentaries:
Waco: A New Revelation
Waco: Rules of Engagement
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
Why didnt they come out, while shooting on the ATF agents?! If they were that criminal, as you say, they would have done it! But they didnt! They just stood inside the house. Not one day,not two or three days,but several weeks. And even though at last, they didnt attack the ATF!They just defended themselves as those ATF agents went violently through the windows into the house. And they even let themselves be burnt alive instead of attacking. That was a criminal act by ATF not by them!
TheHunter2008 2 years ago
proof please?
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
Uh, former victims of the cult's personal accounts?
Like you care anyways. This is common knowledge, and the fact that you actually ask for proof about this tells me you're just another conspiracy theorist, grasping at straws to support your bullshit take on the matter.
Read up on cults; ALL cult leaders are mentally deranged in some way, and they all exploit their followers mentally, economically and often sexually.
WinchesterQDouche 2 years ago
This is the first vid I ever watched on this case, and the link you sent me clearly states there was insufficient evidence to prove this, and it does not matter they killed innocent women and children, they are murders plain and simple. But now you got my curiosity going send me the link of the testimony's please and not some fat CIA drug dealers article, the real people stating it please? Its to bad they killed everyone are there could have been a trial like it is supposed to go down.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
Yeah they had to bring in the military against the posse comitatus act, why do you think they are putting military on the streets now? Because they know they are going to have to deal with millions of David Koresh's. To bad for them most of the military and police have awoken, the sleeping giant has awoken and the illuminati 's days are coming to an end. They have robed as blind, caused wars, they are pure evil.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
hero? as in ordered his followers to burn themselves? dumbass
FerrilEwok 2 years ago
He didn't.
The flammable gas grenades shot into the compound by the FBI are what caused the fire.
Before commenting on this case, I would recommend that you actually read up on the facts.
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
tear gas isnt flamible dumbshit. dont tell me to read up on the facts. Next thing you'll be telling me George bush caused Hurricane katrina. And theres Eye witnesses, Davidians i might add, who remember kerosene being spilled around hay bales
FerrilEwok 2 years ago
Hey dip shit, the FBI already admitted it started the fires in the compound by using their flammable gas grenades.
Like I said, go read the facts before making a complete jackass of yourself.
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
Wow you sound like a real life Dale Gribble, The united states never Made "flamible gas grenades" we've made Incendiary grenades using solid white phosphorus, but never any "Flamible gas grenades" Tear gas was pumped in its common knowlage and ive worked with tear gas, its NOT FLAMMIBLE, where did you get your "facts"? might I ask? are you going to tell me That the davidian massicre was linked to area 51 and the vatican is really an FBI Laser pointed at alpha centauri?
FerrilEwok 2 years ago
The reopening of the investigation in 1999 found that the canisters the FBI shot into the compound were flammable and probably started the fires.
Watch the documentary "Waco: A New Revelation", you can find it on google video.
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
Who was it made by may I ask, Sorry but i do ALOT of research behind things like this so I can tell Bias. Im tired of people both far left and far right telling me it was an FBI conspiracy with movies made by The new davidian church. What chememcal was flammable the used CS tear gas.. its not flammable. Now I do honestly believe that the FBI and ATF raided the compound illegally, But Koresh Was abusing his own power and untill I se evidence otherwise ill believe he was a murderer
FerrilEwok 2 years ago
The documentary "Waco: A New Revelation" interviews FBI and other people who were involved with the actual raid. It was very professionally done.
HuckMeHard 2 years ago
The Warrent by the ATF wasn't even signed.
Koresh was living free and outside the FED, he had to go down. To the detriment of Freedom and the Constitution.
Koresh died protecting his freedom.
chewbaca1989 3 years ago
I'm American and I think the American Government is too Overprotective and trigger happy when Protecting it's children, David Koresh was wrong, but the ATF and the cops were overreacting and using way to much muscle and fire power for the situation and the Davidians started the conflagration by shooting first.
Breeslave 3 years ago
Your country has way to many guns. Next time call in the Dutch or French to get children out of that kind of situation (no matter who is right or wrong). They know how to do that kind of thing without killing children.
Does America think it is acceptable to kill children, are they just 'collateral damage' in any situation. Its murder and the USA can write it up any way it likes.
DeeDee1957 3 years ago
I'm glad I live in Australia,I cant see this ever happening here! I think your law officers are far too powerful!
gleegirloz 3 years ago
Man I Know the ATF had warrants so the BD's should have let them inspect and stuff.
But its very clear that the ATF fired the first shot, so they did act in self defense. (These guys believed the apocalypse was upon them so a little crazy yea) The government had no reason to be this strong armed. And flamethrowers into a building with women and children in it? This is simple and plain "MURDER", and we let the ATF get away with it...
Hello 1984
LukeArmenia4ever 4 years ago
They didnt have flamethrowers they sprayed a cs gas mist in the building with that attachment on the tank. The fires were set with kerosine inside the building.
WilliamTomFrank 4 years ago
there were no flamethrowers. thats Linda Thompson propaganda. flamethrowers would be extremely apparent and the fire would have looked different
laxdog569 3 years ago
FLIR tape shows that the agents were firing on the Davidians into their one escape path during the fire. It doesn't matter whether Koresh was evil or good. Your tax dollars supported murder that day. (The FBI still claims that they "did not fire one single shot that day."
letmapeoplego 4 years ago
those people needed to be crushed out of existence. the govt executed perfect justice.oh, and did you see dave mustaine of mega-death at the 42 second mark? i didnt know he was there....roflmao.....................................i get yer goat yet?
captpinchcard 4 years ago
"those people needed to be crushed out of existence. the govt executed perfect justice."
Awesome. Death sentences via your sick version of due process. Let's kill all the children while we're at it as well... so they don't grow up to be bad people. Yeehaw!
Idiot.
chubstheclown 3 years ago
Thats about the dumbest comment I've read on this. Why would the FBI claim they never shot a gun that day when the press was there to film them shooting guns into the "mad house"?
Brholla 4 years ago
FLIR wouldnt necessarily show gunfire all that well or any better than a normal camera would.
laxdog569 3 years ago
mmmmmmmkeay (1 day ago) Wait one moment! I thought you knew where all the proof was. You can't even say which court the records are located. You are the one that is makeing these claims; You are supposed to have the evidence readily available. That is if you are not just making things up. Are you? I didn't ask for the name. I asked you for the court records location.
lazydogs 4 years ago
Any one interested watch this video:
AMERICA WAKE UP OR WACO - Mount Carmel Aftermath
lazydogs 4 years ago
mmmmmmmkeay (2 days ago) Maybe true, maybe not, but bringing claims contrary to claims like this was mass murder, of course, you need to have evidence to discredit; otherwise, they are just your opinions or your restatement of some other person's opinion.
lazydogs 4 years ago
theres no difference between him and a muslium extremists
Mightyokk 4 years ago
mmmmmmmkeay (1 day ago) Wait one moment! I thought you knew where all the proof was. You can't even say which court the records are located. You are the one that is makeing these claims; You are supposed to have the evidence readily available. That is if you are not just making things up. Are you? I didn't ask for the name. I asked you for the court records location.
lazydogs 4 years ago
they show her testifying in this VERY film you are all praising! That footage is from the Waco Hearings--I know about them because I was alive then!!
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
I'm sorry, not this film but WACO: The Rules of Engagement. forgot which comments page I was on. Anyway, court records and testimony are public records--you want the truth but you don't want to do any research to find it. No, I don't have a transcript but I don't need one because I WATCHED them when they happened. they were on TV for weeks.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
This video is about the storming of the house and killing or forcing the deaths of all within. This deadly attack can not be justified with any claims of abuse. Any attack based on such nonsense is criminal. The people that burned down the house murdered the people inside the house.
lazydogs 4 years ago
If David was the Maessiah, than the FBI really screwed up.
joncrane37 4 years ago
We should be able to drive tanks to work.
theropingeffect 4 years ago
One of Koresh's biggest mistakes is not killing all of those ATF agents when they ran out of ammo.
clayrains 4 years ago
propoganda
papajoe555 4 years ago
ATF blows chunks this video is nothing but propeganda. Apocolypse is the Greek word for NEW BEGINING. Not for "killing as many people as possible" as stated in the video. Just lies to you, big brother shaping that empty space between your ears. And no your not a rabbit, GOT YOU ATTENTION? Repeat after me, "This is all Lies". Good robot, now shove off.
chewbaca1989 4 years ago
lol its not about the militants being good guys or not =P
FjelloRosello 4 years ago
Look, the ATF and FBI come knocking at your door, you have a huge amount of powerful small arms fire, you kill cops, and keep yourself isolated of 51 days, and you expect them to be nice to you? The Davidians and David Koresh caused the deaths of those children the second they said "lets not talk, lets shoot, shoot till they're all dead, or we are." Just cause women and children died doesnt give the Davidians one once of innocence, they brought that horror on themselves, 100%.
bofum2245 4 years ago
well said bofum--I couldn't agree more. doesn't anyone remember how pissed off the american public was during the standoff? they were so mad that the govt. was taking so long to end this. The ATF and FBI gave them EVERY opportunity to end this peacefully even after they murdered 4 agents. I agree it was handled poorly--but they had to put a stop to it. I really don't think the FBI tried to blow up the compound--I'm still not convinced that the Davidians didn't do that themselves.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
If they knew he was abusing children they could have picked him up during one of his daily visits to the nearby town and arrested him, then got a search warrant to search his home and handled this in the proper manner. But the govt would rather paint you a story of some loony religious fanatic who was willing to kill everyone by burning the building to the ground. RESEARCH the facts, not the official story mind you, you would find the truth.
Empire895 4 years ago
go and read what some of the survivors who no longer support Koresh have to say--don't just listen to the witnesses who are still brainwashed.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
who ever said I listened to witnesses? Don't assume you know where the facts are my friend. I've seen the unedited video showing the tanks bulldozing the sides of the compound and pulling out with the flame still flickering on their flame throwers...
Empire895 4 years ago
I've seen the unedited video of the bumbling ATF agent shooting himself in the foot as he climbed the ladder raiding the compound... and the other ATF agent blindly shooting in the window without looking possibly killing his own comrades.
Empire895 4 years ago
I know for a fact that those people were murdered because of the ATF and FBI's inability to handle the situation in a professional ethical manner... do your homework my friend... don't assume you know the facts when you have no clue.
Empire895 4 years ago
I lived in Dallas when that whole thing was going on, I knew people in Waco and several X-Davidians--I have a clue, my friend. so your saying that the other ATF agents shot their own just for an excuse to blow up the compound??? why did they wait 51 days, then? I agree it was handled poorly, no doubt about that, but that doesn't absolve Koresh of his crimes. He was dangerously violent and he had the weapons to proove it. THAT is a FACT.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
please don't put words in my mouth. They didn't shoot their comrades for an excuse, they shot them because they were a bunch of bumbling idiots.
Empire895 4 years ago
well maybe you should listen to the witnesses--after all, they were the ONLY ones who truly know what happened inside the compound during the seige and subsequent raid, surely you must agree with that.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
listen to the witnesses? which ones? The ATF and FBI? LIARS. The Federal Government and Congress? LIARS. The Davidians in the compound who had no idea that law enforcement had infared and knew where everyone was at every second of the standoff? No. They had no idea they were going to get burned alive by their own Govt.
Empire895 4 years ago
the fact of the matter is that they were murdered because law enforcement wanted to wipe them off the face of Texas rather than just arrest him for his suspected child abuse charges.....was he molesting kids... probably but they could have handled this with ethics and professionalism rather than abusing their power.
Empire895 4 years ago
what proof do you have of that? they tried to handle this with ethics--51 days of ethics to be exact. If they wanted to wipe them out, why did they wait so long? they could have gone in on Feb. 29 to do that.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
no the survivors who climbed out of the windows to escape the fire--read what they have to say--they are the only ones who know what happened INSIDE during the raid. their stories may surprise you.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
The fact that he had the ability to mow down the atf is a sign of his madness, besides you cant prove he let them go just as we cant prove there was abuse to children(which there was u moron). The fact that he didnt kill all the agents when they ran out of ammo in no way or form should be credited to him being innocent, a good guy, or anything along those lines.
Gubuforyuyu 4 years ago
the fucker decided it was better to burn everybody in there, rather than having his ass proscecuted for blantant criminal activities he took part in. Fucker was crazy, anyone who cant see that is f'd up 2.
Gubuforyuyu 4 years ago
You have no idea what you are talking about. The fire was started after the ATF & the FBI pumped the place with tear gas and then ran into the building with the tankers. I think you should go & get the Waco documentary that shows how the ATF & FBI covered up their murder/s.
Seriouslygood 4 years ago
yeah I watched that-didn't you notice that the only people that truly defended the Davidians were their bloodsucking defense attorneys? that documentary was slanted and didn't give all the facts. It was made for no other reason than to intice people to watching the program. it was all about ratings, not the truth.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
Fact is David was a crazy nut who wanted to fuck as many little girls as possible. Another fact is the FBI totally went nuts and killed them all. 2 wrongs dont make as right
goosethemighty 4 years ago
only koresh, his company and the authorities that were there truely know what happened those DAYZ. sit back and just watch.
vicma01 4 years ago
the ATF started this whole thing they went into teh ranch and they shot first. now what would you do if someone shot at your family? o and that fire was started by us tanks and its not hard to find teh footage just serch for it on here youll see
buzzkilla12 4 years ago
koresh was a religious fanatic abusing little children. there's nothing worse in the world than cild's abuse. they had to capture him. it went terribly wrong, but the idea was right. they should have considered that fpr a religious fanatic dying in a spectacular massacre is much better than being sentenced to death and dying a lonely death in jail, but that is in my opinion the only mistake made by the fbi
Greis90 4 years ago
Re: Greis90 (1 week ago) Do you have any factual proof that David Koresh was abusing little children? Not even worse than the accused abuse of children of Boys Town by Lawrence King and U.S. elected officials?
lazydogs 4 years ago
Watch "Cospiracy of Silence" (YouTube and Google) for child sexual abuse and the cover up involved.
lazydogs 4 years ago
Re: lazydogs (10 minutes ago) "Conspiracy of Silence"
lazydogs 4 years ago
do you have any poofs that your conspiracy theories are true? i think it's much more likely that a religious fanatic abuses little children, poses weapons which are not allowed even in the usa, than the idea of the atf rushing the building with the intention to kill and the fbi burning down the building. those two agency do a wonderful job throughout the us, without them you might even not be able to sit at your pc and breed any conspiracy theories
Greis90 4 years ago
Re: Greis90 (2 days ago) Ha,ha You are the one accusing him of abuse. You POOF that he did as you accused him. Your rants are just that rants in your pants. Or, is it ranty in your panty? So now, show us anything, just anything, you based your accusations of abuse.
lazydogs 4 years ago
how shall i prove it? that insane motherfucker burned all witnesses
Greis90 4 years ago
So you don't have any proof. You admit to fabricated accusations?
lazydogs 4 years ago
there is testimony of female witnesses (Jewel, for one) that accuse him of sexual abuse or at least statuatory rape. he was married to 15 year old girls--that's girls--not just a girl, that part is well known. what more proof do you need. He fathered some 13 children with 7 or 8 women, one of his wives was only 14. Even in TX that's statuatory rape.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
mmmmmmmkeay (16 hours ago) Testimony under oath? Which court? Where can this testimonial record be obtained?
lazydogs 4 years ago
if you watch the "Rules of Engagement" doc about the Waco standoff you will see her testimony, under oath, in a court of law. It's only a few words of it--but it does exist.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
Where can this testimonial record be obtained?
lazydogs 4 years ago
Obtain a transcript of the Waco hearings--it's a public record, I'm sure if you search for Kari Jewel or the Waco Hearings you'll find it.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
actually I think her name was KIRI Jewel--anyway, do some homework and you'll find it.
mmmmmmmkeay 4 years ago
Yeah i totally forgot about that, the orgies and what not. That's disgusting and I don't agree whatsoever with those immoral actions. I am not trying to blame them I am just saying even if he was a nut it wasn't justification for hurting little children. I heard that the shots weren't from inside that started the whole gunfight. meh.
crustinople 4 years ago
Of course they attempted to negotiate, but such attempts were rejected. Were they supposed to sit back and let this Koresh nut keep breeding brainwashed followers and abusing children?
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
"seem" like a horrible extremist? I don't claim to be an expert or that the FBI or BATF are innocent by any means, and I'm glad you vaue innocent life in some circumstances. It was tear gas. Davidians shot themselves and started the fire. Mistakes were made, but your attempt to blame the FBI and BATF for the actions of a psychopathic pedophile is disgusting.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
I love how the Police make him seem like such a horrible fanatic extremist even though they are the ones that killed was it 74 people? Children were inside that home being gased. There is no justification for what they did. Even if he was a religious fanatic.
crustinople 4 years ago
David Koresh allowed the ATF to retreat when they, the officials, ran out of ammunition. He had the chance to massacre the police, but he didn't instead he allowed them to safely back off. Minute 1:04 to 1:06 shows the retreat of ATF with a couple of them even shown with hands and arms raised to indicate truce or mercy requests.
lazydogs 4 years ago
that video is disgusting. David Koresh is a freak. Anyway , it was a well put together - good work
HabboHotelMikeRetro 4 years ago
From which movie is this video taken?
narkari12 5 years ago
I would tell ya but the hard drive I had the documentary on died on me. I'll try to re-trace my steps and let ya know cause I've been wanting to dig it up again myself.
apchris 5 years ago
Thank you very much,
I appreciate it.
Kristina
narkari12 5 years ago
Who knows from which movie these clips are taken?
narkari12 5 years ago
we will never really knw wat happend until eternity!!!
BOBCATRICKY 5 years ago
The Brance Dividians are the ones that started the fire from inside.
01042383 5 years ago
Proof if you ever needed it that religion is the root causes of all mankind's problems. What a bunch of nuts.
filthish 5 years ago
Nuts or not, the FBI murdered innocent people including children and lied about it.
aphextron 5 years ago
spell check bitch
markwalsh12345 5 years ago
They got what they derserved burn in hell molestor
Gruppob 5 years ago
If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't David who named it "Ranch Apocalypse"... someone wanted to kill as many people as they could, but it wasn't David.
hserokdivad 5 years ago
i did not "now" that...
markwalsh12345 5 years ago
As much as I despise Koresh, the authorities could have got them all out peacefully if they used there brains, but its the American way to bulldozer on in there, and unfortunately many poor innocent people died on both sides.
Faeden 5 years ago
"there" brains?
markwalsh12345 5 years ago
Did you now David Koresh was against Zionists?
pjam2825 5 years ago
thats fuckin insane i never knew about this and i seen a program about it the other night just ... wow
purelh 5 years ago