um.....wrong my great grandfather flew one of these...its an american plane but when it was first made the engine was shit! but they put in a new british engine and turned out to be epic
The wanted nothing from the Brits. Mustang was a British plane made by a US company to UK requirements. Air Ministry told NA to look at the Curtiss X-46 experimental plane. NAA never had the laminar flow wings on the first concept
With the superior RR Merlin, it went brilliantly. The US and UK planes in Europe were finished off in Liverpool. It was downing FW190s before the USSAF used them, who initially didn't want to know it. They left two planes in the corner of a hangar
@hellboy110585 That is why the named it the "Mustang". The were very impressed with the performance and it soon became the best fighter until the Me-262. But, of course, the Tuskegee pilots proved otherwise...
Brits wanted NA to make the P-40, a poor plane, but the best USA could offer. British air industry 24/7 flat out and was allowed to approach US companies for more planes, by-passing US government. NA said they could make a better plane in the tooling up time for the P-40. The British told NA to asses the Curtiss XP-46 experiment plane, laying down the specs for the plane. Mustang is a British plane made by a US company. RAF operated before the USSAF ordered, who had nil involvement in design.
I know most of that but I contest your %.First do we intend to start a racial airfoil archéology ? And as a former german student,Schnue gave NACA registration to works he did using his german based knowledge .We could go on this way : never ending story. My purpos was to point the mixing of to days racial fanaticism with physic research. A dismal jewish habit.(as they did in soviet times = all inventors of grand theory had to be re-writed as jewish russians only.)
@BOOOZB@BOOOZB You're clearly an unknowledgeable moron, and a complete racist. You're so ignorant that you can't even distinguish between nationality, race, and religion. They're three completely different things. NACA was an AMERICAN research and engineering institute, period! Race and religion are completely irrelevant. Like all racists you demonstrate extreme hypocrisy...YOU'RE the one who keeps bringing up race and embellishing / lying about the contributions made by single individuals.
@EngineerAeronautical I know I am all you say I should be.But you just demonstrate I was right on the actual subject : your purpos here has nothing at all to deal with technology or history ! So as usual: re-write it as told by yr own church .
@BOOOZB You're wrong, again. My "purpose" here is to defend the truth with verifiable facts that anyone can research for themselves. Facts based on REAL history and technology. It's obvious your intent is to revise history and spread racist propaganda to favor those who you like. That is very sad in this day and age.
Being American isn't about race or religion. My family came to the USA almost 200 years ago from Britain and Scandinavia. That does not make me "British" or "Scandinavian"!
@EngineerAeronautical So we agree about all those main subject. All is well and technology jump ahead for greatest mankind joy. Gatling thunder bolt A-10 are marvelous tools ! I am airline pilot retired , I now fly for fun but I can't no more have any wank facing those death devices for , we are all to day potent consumers. Type google:.iamthewitnessDarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
@BOOOZB Case in point: Edgar Schmued who was born in Germany, but who chose to become an American citizen, and live and work the majority of his life in the USA, was only ONE of the main designers of the P-51 along with Raymond Rice, Larry Waite, Art Chester, John Atwood and chief aerodynamicist Ed Horkey (all born in the USA). There were literally hundreds of American engineers that worked at NAA that did all the detail design and engineering on the P-51.
"was only ONE of the main designers of the P-51 along with Raymond Rice, Larry Waite, Art Chester, John Atwood and chief aerodynamicist Ed Horkey (all born in the USA). There were literally hundreds of American engineers that worked at NAA that did all the detail design and engineering on the P-51."
Designs were overseen and approved by the British Air Ministry. It was THEIR plane. NA had never designed such a plane so had to be monitored.
Do you think knowledge is smthng racial ot national?? It seems you are puzzled by german origin of P51conceptor.But the fact is that german arodynamic knowledge was far ahead of else where's one at that time.The wing airfoil made all the gap for P51.This wing airfoil advance was the result of german work in Göttingen wind tunnel. Any German aviation ingineer of this time was fan of gliders& Germany and France were the 2 world aerodynamic & glider builders leaders.
@BOOOZB You're 100% WRONG. The P-51 laminar flow wing was designed, engineered, and developed at the USA's NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) facility. The main P-51 wing series was NACA 45-100. The lightweight Mustang series like the P-51H used NACA 66-(1.8)15.5 root, and 66-(1.8)12 tip. Virtually ALL airfoil design was done by NACA. Including the Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf 190 airfoils. Bf 109 used NACA 2R1 14.2 root, 2R1 11 tip. Focke-Wulf 190 used NACA 23015.3 root, 23009 tip.
@BOOOZB The list of Airfoils designed, engineered, and developed at the USA's NACA facility is huge, and includes aircraft from virtually every country that ever produced aircraft spanning the last 80+ years. NACA also created many of the most important aerodynamic innovations and breakthroughs in history.
if Edgar Schmued is an american citizen then my Toyota Corolla is an American car because it was made in america by americans from parts made in america
its Toyota Engine made in America of somewhat lesser quality than the Japanese version causing sudden acceleration problems in the USA but not Japan
The 109 was a good plane, given it was a mid-thirties design, it retains a respect few WWll aircraft have acheived.
The P-51 was a new concept and truely different in many aspects from the 109.
But the best pilot aways wins. I am impressed with German engineering and the final aircraft concepts either discovered or fought againt in the last months of war were very advanced. This did not make Germany better as a country. There were good engineers both sides, regardless
"The P-51 was a new concept and truely different in many aspects from the 109.
I am impressed with German engineering and the final aircraft concepts either discovered or fought againt in the last months of war were very advanced. This did not make Germany better as a country. There were good engineers both sides, regardless"
German planes were outdated from 1940 onwards. Only the FW 109 stood out.
German designs outdated?...1940 onwards?? You are so wrong.....but at the same time, you are entitled to an opinion.....after the war, so many aircraft designs were derived from German prototypes and working models too late into the war effort that it boggles the mind to think they kept breaking ground in new designs while being under constant bomb raids and poor materials available to them by wars end....outdated ...sure...go back to your history class, facts are overwhelming.
"German designs outdated?...1940 onwards?? You are so wrong.."
I go on fact. All pre-war designs except the FW190 and the appalling jet, the Me262.
"after the war, so many aircraft designs were derived from German prototypes"
Nonsense. Some German research entered some planes, not much, like the corrugated wings on the Vickers Victor, which never caught on. You need to read some history books on it.
"German designs outdated?...1940 onwards?? You are so wrong.."
I go on fact. All pre-war designs except the FW190 and the appalling jet, the Me262.
"after the war, so many aircraft designs were derived from German prototypes"
Nonsense. Some German research entered some planes, not much, like the corrugated wings on the Vickers Victor, which never caught on. You need to read some history books on it. Germans were using the early 1930s Me109 until 1945. They made some dogs.
i thought id read that somewhere, now that i re-read it, it was the leading edge slat design that was based on the me262, and the swept back wing technology copied from the germans after the war. but the wairfoil apparently wasnt.
from what I have read, the original design for the sabre had straight wings like other american designs.
All the sites I have just checked all claim the the idea for the swept wing came from captured german technology.
even the site from the mig 15 says "German research during World War II had shown swept wings would perform better at transonic speeds, and Soviet aircraft designers were quick to take advantage of this information"
By 1944 there were plenty of seasoned Allied pilots to take on Gunther and he was shot down many times. So much for your crap of him being more than a match to the Allied Pilots. What a terrible concept of having German Pilots fighting until they were injured or dead. Deutischland Under the Allies!!!
Are you stil pissing in the wind on the attributes of the FW190D? The lead German designer left Germany because he knew it was going to take a big dump. And look what happened, a German designed fighter killing Germans
Why would you bother arguing w/a young punk? One who has read a few books, & now thinks he is an expert? The many contributing factors are readily available to those who look. BTW, I think you SHOULD mention the Dora Langnasser ;-).
You sure love lying about what others say as part of your propaganda. I never said the Bf 109 was obsolete. Messerschmitt was diligent about constantly improving the 109 throughout it's production. It was a fine aircraft, just not as good as the P-51.
Bf 109 pilots had far more experience since the 109 had been in service since 1939. The P-51 didn't come on the scene until early 1944. The fact it racked up almost 5,000 aircraft destroyed in the short time it served, is impressive.
That is hilarious, considering it's coming from a hyper nationalistic, Nazi sympathizing hypocrite like you.
The Me 109 had no influence at all on the P-51, but I have no problem waving the German flag. I like normal Germans, just not ultra nationalist, Nazi hypocrites like yourself.
Why would it be difficult to understand that an experienced pilot in an average aircraft, would be able to outperform a far less experienced pilot in a better aircraft? Everyone understands that concept.
Hello, I am from Germany and surely finding no sympathy for the Nazis. Edgar Schmued was the designer of the P 51, he was born in Hornbach, I am living close to that small city. I like the US, cause I was and am spending a lot of time there. I heard some stories from my uncle which made made me shiver, about the behaviour of the US troops as they came to our house....my other uncle, a big US friend as well, nearly was shot by a sergeant, a US officer saved him
Mr Sharpszhoozin I can answer this you question. This not funny what they says here. simply because this victors lie about what happens. See they write down what they wants the masses to believe and then this people repeats this like polly parrots do. Sames things happens in the russia they tells the people AND the world lies and they believeit this. They dont sat that they hold world record for the murders of tens of millions of innocents peoples they point finger @ Germany like allies do
I only state the facts. Facts that people with infantile personalities like yours can't handle.
It's epically ironic that you're claiming I'm "dominating" a page, when anyone can see by looking at the dates of the comments, that you're the one who has been going around to all the P-51 pages not just for months, but for years trying to dominate by spewing your idiotic propaganda.
My information doesn't come from watching TV shows like yours does. Mine comes from education and experience.
I'm 100% right, and everyone reading this exchange can see that. You sound like a very angry, poorly educated, arrogant child.
Not only built on American soil, redesigned, modified and developed on American soil, and built to a much higher standard of quality. Those are the facts.
Being shot down is a poor metric for aircraft performance and shouldn't be used when comparing such. That should be obvious to anyone with any intelligence.
American citizen, lived the majority of his life in the USA. That makes him American.
There is nothing even remotely similar between the Bf 109 and the P-51. Are you an Aerospace or Mechanical Engineer? I am, and I can tell you there is nothing on the Bf 109 that influenced the P-51.
Prove there is anything related on the two aircraft. You can't because it doesn't exist.
The Bf 109 was a fine aircraft, but had NO influence whatsoever on the P-51.
anyhow Schmued was born in Hornbach near Zweibrücken in the Western Pfalz....of course was he an american.....as all others living there and accepting the culture of the USA....I dont want to argue anything else...Schmued was an American with german heritage no doubt....and the Messerschmitt or the Fucke Wulf design never influenced his idea...the "Mustang" was his bird and ever will be his bird and construction.anyhow the german design were not that bad
@EngineerAeronautical I'm not sure if I agree that there was no influence whatsoever. I think the 109 may have been the first all-metal, low-wing monoplane fighter with retractable undercarriage and an enclosed cockpit to enter service anywhere in the world. I might be wrong though. As such, it was a trend-setter, and we can be sure that engineers world-wide took note of new advanced designs in the 30s. So there may be some indirect influence of the 109 on many WWII aircraft designs.
@DandAinTac You may be right about the Bf 109 being the first ALL METAL, low wing monoplane w/ retracting LG, How ever ther were a few that preceded it with partial wood construction, or fabric covered flaps wich still continued throught the war. The mosquitoe and many Russian designs proved that wood still had a place in production and even the F4U corsair still had fabric covered flaps in production in the war. However the Bf 109 was designed for mass prodoction from the start.
@jaymoe67 Yes, that's true. The Hawker Hurricane was also partially made of wood. Aircraft development was an evolutionary process, and also there were reasons why some manufacturers continued with wood--such as a shortage of metal. I read somewhere that the 109 was chosen over the Heinkel competitor (HE-112?) largely because someone was convinced it would be easier to mass-produce. Still, a very influential design.
@DandAinTac That had more to do with an ongoing fued between Willy Messerschmitt and Erhard Milch. Look up the Def. of Fascism. Early Natzi Germany starts to make sence. Especially when one takes into account the crap that takes place leading up to the Blitz. However pol. infighting ultimately led to the end for the RIECH.
@jaymoe67...............Heinkel Blizt He-70 .....while not a single engine fighter but a sleek fast mail plane(luftwaffe designations still hidden) retract gear, single engine all metal......Ersnt Heinkel hired Americans to teach his employees the latest skinning techs......outside Jugo Junkers corrrugated transports the Germans had been left behind....streamlining from Naca and the Hughes H-1 butt up panels and shaved flat head rivits was not in their repetoir.,....
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@EngineerAeronautical So what you are saying is that the wars "last" piston engine fighter didn't draw on experiences from other great warplanes? Did the folks at NA forget all about their main rivals while building it? As if they were living inside their own little private bubble, where no Bf 109's prowled the sky?
Edgar Schmued never worked for Messerschmitt, ever. He was a US citizen.
The P-51 was a clean sheet design that utilized many innovations including a laminar flow wing designed at the USA's NACA. The Bf 109 had absolutely no influence whatsoever on the P-51.
Furthermore, the Bf 109 was nowhere close to the performance of the P-51.
From 'Edgar Schmued' in wikipedia: "An urban legend has grown up about Edgar Schmued, possibly related to his German origins, claiming he had once worked for Willy Messerschmitt and that the Mustang was heavily influenced by the Bf 109. Just as familiar is the notion that the abortive Curtiss XP-46 was the basis of the P-51 design. " He was indeed from Germany, however.
Edgar Schmued was a US citizen well before he started working for North American Aviation.
P-51's used the American built Packard V-1650 engine. It was based on the Merlin, but much higher quality, and was significantly modified by Packard as well. Improvements to the main bearing design, supercharger, carburetor, and numerous other enhancements were made by Packard.
"P-51's used the American built Packard V-1650 engine. It was based on the Merlin, but much higher quality, and was significantly modified by Packard as well. Improvements to the main bearing design, supercharger, carburetor, and numerous other enhancements were made by Packard"
The Merlin made under licence from RR. Not too different. Difference was to engineer it to be mass produced. RAF Mustangs did have the faster RR. Most of the slower Packards went into bombers
When the first of the Packard built Merlins were shipped over to the UK, the engineers at Rolls-Royce disassembled and measured them and were shocked to find the production line built Packard V-1650 engine had much better tolerances than the labor intensive, Rolls-Royce version.
"When the first of the Packard built Merlins were shipped over to the UK, the engineers at Rolls-Royce disassembled and measured them and were shocked to find the production line built Packard V-1650 engine had much better tolerances than the labor intensive, Rolls-Royce version."
It's amazing how fast a machine could go from concept to production model back in WWII. The P-51 and the jeep come to mind although I'm sure that there are other examples. That could never happen today.
unfortunate choice in background music for an otherwise probably interesting vid...
this coming from a fan of loud rock & roll.
432b86ed 1 month ago
It's a little suprising that these assembly guys aren't wearing gloves.
Afrocanuk 2 months ago
um.....wrong my great grandfather flew one of these...its an american plane but when it was first made the engine was shit! but they put in a new british engine and turned out to be epic
pivotnoob236 3 months ago
the 70's porn music doesn't fit at all
insolvancy 5 months ago
what the hellava background i thought i watching porn movie
keiweak 6 months ago
the P-51 would be my choice if I could afford a plane.
ColKorn1965 8 months ago
Wow, if I could physically murder the background music I bet my ass I would.
AwesomeCoasters 8 months ago
Is that "ROCKMAN - Distortion Generator" in the background?
ebluex 9 months ago
3 people were shot down by the P-51
daytonaturbofreak 10 months ago
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daytonaturbofreak 10 months ago
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The Americans wanted their own version of the Spitfire so the Brits came up with this for them.
theshow2k8 1 year ago
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The wanted nothing from the Brits. Mustang was a British plane made by a US company to UK requirements. Air Ministry told NA to look at the Curtiss X-46 experimental plane. NAA never had the laminar flow wings on the first concept
With the superior RR Merlin, it went brilliantly. The US and UK planes in Europe were finished off in Liverpool. It was downing FW190s before the USSAF used them, who initially didn't want to know it. They left two planes in the corner of a hangar
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
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British and American Designed. British Engine, American Airframe.Thats how the war was won .Great callaboration.
YARROWS 1 year ago
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British and American Designed. British Engine American Airframe.Thats how the war was won .Great callaboration.
YARROWS 1 year ago
Equipped with the same engines, the P51 out performs the spitfire, so don't give ALL the credit to the Merlin
luridplanet 1 year ago 5
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@luridplanet The P-51 did not out perform the Spitfire. Only in range. Most allied pilots who flew both planes also preferred the Spitfire.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
woh!.. i didnt know that the name 'Mustang' was given by the British.. 'Mustang' sounds so damn american!.. :O
hellboy110585 1 year ago
@hellboy110585 That is why the named it the "Mustang". The were very impressed with the performance and it soon became the best fighter until the Me-262. But, of course, the Tuskegee pilots proved otherwise...
BikeDoctor34 1 year ago
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Brits wanted NA to make the P-40, a poor plane, but the best USA could offer. British air industry 24/7 flat out and was allowed to approach US companies for more planes, by-passing US government. NA said they could make a better plane in the tooling up time for the P-40. The British told NA to asses the Curtiss XP-46 experiment plane, laying down the specs for the plane. Mustang is a British plane made by a US company. RAF operated before the USSAF ordered, who had nil involvement in design.
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
i always thought the mustangs were fuel injected?
yblocker 1 year ago
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Edgar Schmued born in America or Germany ?
why did america put some Americans born in this country in war camps in California and Idaho
emforty2 1 year ago
Too bad Discovery channel no longer has shows like these. Now it's retarded reality shows 24 hours per day
luridplanet 1 year ago 2
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find the cheesy 80's guitar licks totally irritating and out of place? and I play the bloody guitar!
nookie077 1 year ago
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Is this out on DVD??
FWDORA9 1 year ago
I know most of that but I contest your %.First do we intend to start a racial airfoil archéology ? And as a former german student,Schnue gave NACA registration to works he did using his german based knowledge .We could go on this way : never ending story. My purpos was to point the mixing of to days racial fanaticism with physic research. A dismal jewish habit.(as they did in soviet times = all inventors of grand theory had to be re-writed as jewish russians only.)
BOOOZB 1 year ago
@BOOOZB @BOOOZB You're clearly an unknowledgeable moron, and a complete racist. You're so ignorant that you can't even distinguish between nationality, race, and religion. They're three completely different things. NACA was an AMERICAN research and engineering institute, period! Race and religion are completely irrelevant. Like all racists you demonstrate extreme hypocrisy...YOU'RE the one who keeps bringing up race and embellishing / lying about the contributions made by single individuals.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 4
@EngineerAeronautical I know I am all you say I should be.But you just demonstrate I was right on the actual subject : your purpos here has nothing at all to deal with technology or history ! So as usual: re-write it as told by yr own church .
BOOOZB 1 year ago
@BOOOZB You're wrong, again. My "purpose" here is to defend the truth with verifiable facts that anyone can research for themselves. Facts based on REAL history and technology. It's obvious your intent is to revise history and spread racist propaganda to favor those who you like. That is very sad in this day and age.
Being American isn't about race or religion. My family came to the USA almost 200 years ago from Britain and Scandinavia. That does not make me "British" or "Scandinavian"!
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 3
@EngineerAeronautical So we agree about all those main subject. All is well and technology jump ahead for greatest mankind joy. Gatling thunder bolt A-10 are marvelous tools ! I am airline pilot retired , I now fly for fun but I can't no more have any wank facing those death devices for , we are all to day potent consumers. Type google:.iamthewitnessDarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
BOOOZB 1 year ago
@BOOOZB Case in point: Edgar Schmued who was born in Germany, but who chose to become an American citizen, and live and work the majority of his life in the USA, was only ONE of the main designers of the P-51 along with Raymond Rice, Larry Waite, Art Chester, John Atwood and chief aerodynamicist Ed Horkey (all born in the USA). There were literally hundreds of American engineers that worked at NAA that did all the detail design and engineering on the P-51.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 8
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"was only ONE of the main designers of the P-51 along with Raymond Rice, Larry Waite, Art Chester, John Atwood and chief aerodynamicist Ed Horkey (all born in the USA). There were literally hundreds of American engineers that worked at NAA that did all the detail design and engineering on the P-51."
Designs were overseen and approved by the British Air Ministry. It was THEIR plane. NA had never designed such a plane so had to be monitored.
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
Do you think knowledge is smthng racial ot national?? It seems you are puzzled by german origin of P51conceptor.But the fact is that german arodynamic knowledge was far ahead of else where's one at that time.The wing airfoil made all the gap for P51.This wing airfoil advance was the result of german work in Göttingen wind tunnel. Any German aviation ingineer of this time was fan of gliders& Germany and France were the 2 world aerodynamic & glider builders leaders.
BOOOZB 1 year ago
@BOOOZB You're 100% WRONG. The P-51 laminar flow wing was designed, engineered, and developed at the USA's NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) facility. The main P-51 wing series was NACA 45-100. The lightweight Mustang series like the P-51H used NACA 66-(1.8)15.5 root, and 66-(1.8)12 tip. Virtually ALL airfoil design was done by NACA. Including the Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf 190 airfoils. Bf 109 used NACA 2R1 14.2 root, 2R1 11 tip. Focke-Wulf 190 used NACA 23015.3 root, 23009 tip.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 9
@BOOOZB The list of Airfoils designed, engineered, and developed at the USA's NACA facility is huge, and includes aircraft from virtually every country that ever produced aircraft spanning the last 80+ years. NACA also created many of the most important aerodynamic innovations and breakthroughs in history.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 6
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if Edgar Schmued is an american citizen then my Toyota Corolla is an American car because it was made in america by americans from parts made in america
its Toyota Engine made in America of somewhat lesser quality than the Japanese version causing sudden acceleration problems in the USA but not Japan
emforty2 1 year ago
thank you!
nomis777 1 year ago
...the war was wrong.
LVEbonys 2 years ago
Scharfschutzen1
The 109 was a good plane, given it was a mid-thirties design, it retains a respect few WWll aircraft have acheived.
The P-51 was a new concept and truely different in many aspects from the 109.
But the best pilot aways wins. I am impressed with German engineering and the final aircraft concepts either discovered or fought againt in the last months of war were very advanced. This did not make Germany better as a country. There were good engineers both sides, regardless
LVEbonys 2 years ago
@LVEbonys
"The P-51 was a new concept and truely different in many aspects from the 109.
I am impressed with German engineering and the final aircraft concepts either discovered or fought againt in the last months of war were very advanced. This did not make Germany better as a country. There were good engineers both sides, regardless"
German planes were outdated from 1940 onwards. Only the FW 109 stood out.
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
@NearAbbeyRoad
German designs outdated?...1940 onwards?? You are so wrong.....but at the same time, you are entitled to an opinion.....after the war, so many aircraft designs were derived from German prototypes and working models too late into the war effort that it boggles the mind to think they kept breaking ground in new designs while being under constant bomb raids and poor materials available to them by wars end....outdated ...sure...go back to your history class, facts are overwhelming.
LVEbonys 1 year ago 3
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"German designs outdated?...1940 onwards?? You are so wrong.."
I go on fact. All pre-war designs except the FW190 and the appalling jet, the Me262.
"after the war, so many aircraft designs were derived from German prototypes"
Nonsense. Some German research entered some planes, not much, like the corrugated wings on the Vickers Victor, which never caught on. You need to read some history books on it.
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
@LVEbonys
"German designs outdated?...1940 onwards?? You are so wrong.."
I go on fact. All pre-war designs except the FW190 and the appalling jet, the Me262.
"after the war, so many aircraft designs were derived from German prototypes"
Nonsense. Some German research entered some planes, not much, like the corrugated wings on the Vickers Victor, which never caught on. You need to read some history books on it. Germans were using the early 1930s Me109 until 1945. They made some dogs.
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
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@NearAbbeyRoad
from what ive read the airfoil of the sabre was heavily influenced (copied) from the me262
notsureyou 6 months ago
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@notsureyou
The Sabre was heavily based on a British design.
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
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@NearAbbeyRoad
but the airfoil of the wing was copied from the me262
notsureyou 6 months ago
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Not copied at all. Similar - not copied.
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@NearAbbeyRoad
i thought id read that somewhere, now that i re-read it, it was the leading edge slat design that was based on the me262, and the swept back wing technology copied from the germans after the war. but the wairfoil apparently wasnt.
notsureyou 6 months ago
@notsureyou
Swept back wings was not a German idea. German research was made public, yet allied research was not.
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@NearAbbeyRoad
from what I have read, the original design for the sabre had straight wings like other american designs.
All the sites I have just checked all claim the the idea for the swept wing came from captured german technology.
even the site from the mig 15 says "German research during World War II had shown swept wings would perform better at transonic speeds, and Soviet aircraft designers were quick to take advantage of this information"
notsureyou 6 months ago
Born in Germany and decided that Messerschmitt and his homeland sucked. Lets all thank Edgar for coming over the U.S. Deutschland Under the Allies!!
kbroma01 2 years ago 2
By 1944 there were plenty of seasoned Allied pilots to take on Gunther and he was shot down many times. So much for your crap of him being more than a match to the Allied Pilots. What a terrible concept of having German Pilots fighting until they were injured or dead. Deutischland Under the Allies!!!
kbroma01 2 years ago 2
Are you stil pissing in the wind on the attributes of the FW190D? The lead German designer left Germany because he knew it was going to take a big dump. And look what happened, a German designed fighter killing Germans
kbroma01 2 years ago 2
Why would you bother arguing w/a young punk? One who has read a few books, & now thinks he is an expert? The many contributing factors are readily available to those who look. BTW, I think you SHOULD mention the Dora Langnasser ;-).
neomuttley 2 years ago
You sure love lying about what others say as part of your propaganda. I never said the Bf 109 was obsolete. Messerschmitt was diligent about constantly improving the 109 throughout it's production. It was a fine aircraft, just not as good as the P-51.
Bf 109 pilots had far more experience since the 109 had been in service since 1939. The P-51 didn't come on the scene until early 1944. The fact it racked up almost 5,000 aircraft destroyed in the short time it served, is impressive.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 4
That is hilarious, considering it's coming from a hyper nationalistic, Nazi sympathizing hypocrite like you.
The Me 109 had no influence at all on the P-51, but I have no problem waving the German flag. I like normal Germans, just not ultra nationalist, Nazi hypocrites like yourself.
Why would it be difficult to understand that an experienced pilot in an average aircraft, would be able to outperform a far less experienced pilot in a better aircraft? Everyone understands that concept.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 4
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Hello, I am from Germany and surely finding no sympathy for the Nazis. Edgar Schmued was the designer of the P 51, he was born in Hornbach, I am living close to that small city. I like the US, cause I was and am spending a lot of time there. I heard some stories from my uncle which made made me shiver, about the behaviour of the US troops as they came to our house....my other uncle, a big US friend as well, nearly was shot by a sergeant, a US officer saved him
grazyarnie 2 years ago
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Mr Sharpszhoozin I can answer this you question. This not funny what they says here. simply because this victors lie about what happens. See they write down what they wants the masses to believe and then this people repeats this like polly parrots do. Sames things happens in the russia they tells the people AND the world lies and they believeit this. They dont sat that they hold world record for the murders of tens of millions of innocents peoples they point finger @ Germany like allies do
volodyyy 2 years ago
I only state the facts. Facts that people with infantile personalities like yours can't handle.
It's epically ironic that you're claiming I'm "dominating" a page, when anyone can see by looking at the dates of the comments, that you're the one who has been going around to all the P-51 pages not just for months, but for years trying to dominate by spewing your idiotic propaganda.
My information doesn't come from watching TV shows like yours does. Mine comes from education and experience.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 4
I'm 100% right, and everyone reading this exchange can see that. You sound like a very angry, poorly educated, arrogant child.
Not only built on American soil, redesigned, modified and developed on American soil, and built to a much higher standard of quality. Those are the facts.
Being shot down is a poor metric for aircraft performance and shouldn't be used when comparing such. That should be obvious to anyone with any intelligence.
The Fw 190D was very good, but not superior.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 2
Oh, and he never worked at Messerschmitt.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 4
American citizen, lived the majority of his life in the USA. That makes him American.
There is nothing even remotely similar between the Bf 109 and the P-51. Are you an Aerospace or Mechanical Engineer? I am, and I can tell you there is nothing on the Bf 109 that influenced the P-51.
Prove there is anything related on the two aircraft. You can't because it doesn't exist.
The Bf 109 was a fine aircraft, but had NO influence whatsoever on the P-51.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 9
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anyhow Schmued was born in Hornbach near Zweibrücken in the Western Pfalz....of course was he an american.....as all others living there and accepting the culture of the USA....I dont want to argue anything else...Schmued was an American with german heritage no doubt....and the Messerschmitt or the Fucke Wulf design never influenced his idea...the "Mustang" was his bird and ever will be his bird and construction.anyhow the german design were not that bad
grazyarnie 1 year ago
@EngineerAeronautical I'm not sure if I agree that there was no influence whatsoever. I think the 109 may have been the first all-metal, low-wing monoplane fighter with retractable undercarriage and an enclosed cockpit to enter service anywhere in the world. I might be wrong though. As such, it was a trend-setter, and we can be sure that engineers world-wide took note of new advanced designs in the 30s. So there may be some indirect influence of the 109 on many WWII aircraft designs.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac You may be right about the Bf 109 being the first ALL METAL, low wing monoplane w/ retracting LG, How ever ther were a few that preceded it with partial wood construction, or fabric covered flaps wich still continued throught the war. The mosquitoe and many Russian designs proved that wood still had a place in production and even the F4U corsair still had fabric covered flaps in production in the war. However the Bf 109 was designed for mass prodoction from the start.
jaymoe67 10 months ago
@jaymoe67 Yes, that's true. The Hawker Hurricane was also partially made of wood. Aircraft development was an evolutionary process, and also there were reasons why some manufacturers continued with wood--such as a shortage of metal. I read somewhere that the 109 was chosen over the Heinkel competitor (HE-112?) largely because someone was convinced it would be easier to mass-produce. Still, a very influential design.
DandAinTac 10 months ago
@DandAinTac That had more to do with an ongoing fued between Willy Messerschmitt and Erhard Milch. Look up the Def. of Fascism. Early Natzi Germany starts to make sence. Especially when one takes into account the crap that takes place leading up to the Blitz. However pol. infighting ultimately led to the end for the RIECH.
jaymoe67 10 months ago
@jaymoe67...............Heinkel Blizt He-70 .....while not a single engine fighter but a sleek fast mail plane(luftwaffe designations still hidden) retract gear, single engine all metal......Ersnt Heinkel hired Americans to teach his employees the latest skinning techs......outside Jugo Junkers corrrugated transports the Germans had been left behind....streamlining from Naca and the Hughes H-1 butt up panels and shaved flat head rivits was not in their repetoir.,....
crpdst2003 10 months ago
@EngineerAeronautical Could you give your oppinion on the p-40 warhawk, p47 and the air cobra used by the russians
diadorim1234 4 months ago
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@EngineerAeronautical So what you are saying is that the wars "last" piston engine fighter didn't draw on experiences from other great warplanes? Did the folks at NA forget all about their main rivals while building it? As if they were living inside their own little private bubble, where no Bf 109's prowled the sky?
Great..
Zythius 3 weeks ago
Edgar Schmued never worked for Messerschmitt, ever. He was a US citizen.
The P-51 was a clean sheet design that utilized many innovations including a laminar flow wing designed at the USA's NACA. The Bf 109 had absolutely no influence whatsoever on the P-51.
Furthermore, the Bf 109 was nowhere close to the performance of the P-51.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 4
From 'Edgar Schmued' in wikipedia: "An urban legend has grown up about Edgar Schmued, possibly related to his German origins, claiming he had once worked for Willy Messerschmitt and that the Mustang was heavily influenced by the Bf 109. Just as familiar is the notion that the abortive Curtiss XP-46 was the basis of the P-51 design. " He was indeed from Germany, however.
imcustomized 2 years ago 4
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hartsy50 2 years ago
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P51 was designed by a German and an Engine from the British
emforty2 2 years ago
WRONG
NAVYBM2SWAWSWCC 2 years ago 2
Edgar Schmued was a US citizen well before he started working for North American Aviation.
P-51's used the American built Packard V-1650 engine. It was based on the Merlin, but much higher quality, and was significantly modified by Packard as well. Improvements to the main bearing design, supercharger, carburetor, and numerous other enhancements were made by Packard.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 5
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"P-51's used the American built Packard V-1650 engine. It was based on the Merlin, but much higher quality, and was significantly modified by Packard as well. Improvements to the main bearing design, supercharger, carburetor, and numerous other enhancements were made by Packard"
The Merlin made under licence from RR. Not too different. Difference was to engineer it to be mass produced. RAF Mustangs did have the faster RR. Most of the slower Packards went into bombers
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
When the first of the Packard built Merlins were shipped over to the UK, the engineers at Rolls-Royce disassembled and measured them and were shocked to find the production line built Packard V-1650 engine had much better tolerances than the labor intensive, Rolls-Royce version.
EngineerAeronautical 2 years ago 4
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"When the first of the Packard built Merlins were shipped over to the UK, the engineers at Rolls-Royce disassembled and measured them and were shocked to find the production line built Packard V-1650 engine had much better tolerances than the labor intensive, Rolls-Royce version."
The RR engine was faster.
NearAbbeyRoad 1 year ago
I believe that this was from a show called WINGS, they did profile of Soviet and German aircraft accompanied by "national" music.
Will87 2 years ago
we had theeses shows in 1992'' its fairly new shows then.they also covered B29's
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
It's amazing how fast a machine could go from concept to production model back in WWII. The P-51 and the jeep come to mind although I'm sure that there are other examples. That could never happen today.
Lurk58 2 years ago 2
Oh, so the Brits named it Mustang? Nice choice! I wonder how they arrived at that.
rustyATV 2 years ago
Why "" It Kicked like a Wild horse AKA''
MUSTANG.
TJ
terryjohn 2 years ago
I was thinking it was a little deeper, had to do with the fact that Mustangs are horses of European descent that run free in America.
rustyATV 2 years ago
geez, that music is lousy. Don't know what they were thinking. This must be a 90's vid
Thesixsmashblitz 2 years ago
It's the same horrible music as in another documentary I've seen, wasn't good for that either lol
Nice video though, thanks!
MickleDee 3 years ago
2008
Bara4565 3 years ago
what year was this?
Jerrycobra 3 years ago
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terryjohn 2 years ago
1990's circa early.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
You're quite right, but in the ststes you can't have anything without some kind of a noisy background music. It's keep them awake, I guess.
Olfux 3 years ago
@Olfux Fuck you asshole keep you Anti-American comments to your fucking self!
LottoWinner999 1 year ago
Horrible background music.
shalvydor 3 years ago 2