Interesting thoughts, I'll have to go read that book. Any thoughts on the idea that somehow Atenism is connected to Judaism, and that the Exodus was actually a retelling of Atenists fleeing/being kicked out? Personally I find this video's explanation better, especially in light of 7:40, well said and it makes so much sense.
i am from israel and used to be a practicing jew until 4 years ago. in hebrew the word for the God is "elohim" but the word for A god is "el". "elim" is plural for "el" that means gods. "elohim" however may very well be a combination of all forces and gods into one. "יהוה צבאות"- means YWHW ARMIES. so yeah it is quite reasonable to assume this god was previously a war god, given his psychotic nature.
Sorry got that a bit wrong. Cain came from Ur and went to Uz to find a wife. I always laugh at that because the story about Cain finding a wife disproves that Adam and Eve were the only people. ie Where did the people of Uz come from for Cain to find a wife. Not from Adam and Eve that's for sure. lol
Yahwah in hebrew is YHWH and means lord, as in a title. El is the name of their name of their deity. El Elyon, God of the high places = Thor. Thor is a brutal viscious narcissistic thug, exactly the same as the OT Biblical god. It originates from ancient Ur. Cain came from Uz present day Amenia, contiguous with Ur and the Caucus volcanic mountain range of Promethius fame. Thor is the god of vulcanism. Mount Elbrus is the biggest vulcano in the Caucus mountain range.
The earlest historical evidence of any mono deity religion was the utterly detested one invented by the Egyptian pharoh Arkenaten, aka Amenhotep IV, c1,300bce. He had to build a new city and populate it chosen people.
It's too much of a coincidence for me that a people turn up in Palestine a short while after the detested Amenhoteps death, with tales of being the chosen people of a mono deity and fleeing Egypt for their lives. I mean come on, what are the odds.
El of the Elohim. El is singular and masculine, Elohim is plural and femanine. El had two wives, Asherah and Rhomerah. The literal translation is 'the male god of the two godesses. I think they were associated with Dusk and Dawn, and are two aspects of the feminine, sex and pregnancy. Baal was their only begotten son and like Jesus was a mediator.
The bible is a retrospectively written piece of propaganda that fails on so many levels its a joke people cant see that. The gospels contradict each other regularly, if its the inspired word of god then he nust have been pissed each time he dictated his thoughs.
I soo wish you could have discussed Christianity too! Ah well, hope you'll do that in a future video! :) This video is great!! I am definitely going to get that book!
It's scary how even though we know so much about the development of the Judeo-Christian religions from older pagan religions, most of the world believes in this stone age bullshit.
nothing to do with the video but why is that retard with the glasses and the sideways cap on all the related videos that are even remotely agnostic, secular, or atheist? fuck! I even saw it looming there on a bill hicks video. either way, looking like that, is anyone supposed to take you seriously? How about this for a question to destroy christianity. 3 word question. four legged locusts? Go.
@Evid3nc3 It's still a possibility that they could have been actually monotheistic believers, receiving revelation from a true divine source, and subsequent followers had altered their belief systems and Biographical history through removal and addition of pagan philosophies to suit their preferences.
@Evid3nc3 The information applies very well to Christianity and the Bible, even the Torah, exposing and explaining their pagan origins, however, the sequence and presentation of data indicate firmly that Abraham and Jacob had always been polytheistic, as if there were actually no flaws in that specific interpretation of Info. In other words, how could you know that these individuals were in fact polytheistic?! through the Bible? You've just proven the Bible to be altered, false, unreliable.
@VyckRo I'd love to see some contestation of the information in this video. The historical references are solid, the timescale matches archeological data, and the cultural and social references match the individual histories kept by the various nations at issue here.
Claiming that the information here is "a priori," or rather, without experience in its justification, ignores all the evidence clearly laid out before you. But zealots are rather good at ignoring information they don't like.
Whether or not you like this video. It doesn't take a scholar with a PHD to realize there's something definitely wrong with the Bible. The interesting thing is that if you question any part of it, you typically get either a nonsensical rationalization, or 1 of 2 default answers; "God works in mysterious ways" or "You must have faith..." Better yet you're treated to the shell game by being quoted some totally unrelated scripture. All of which further proves just how screwed up the Bible is
@coyoteself thats not totaly true. when people do answer questions in those ways that just means they dont know the answer and dont care enough to try and find out the answers for you, it doesnt mean the Bible has problems with it, just that they dont know the answers.
@speeron Even tho someone may not know the answers, doesn't mean the Bible isn't flawed and as I said, it doesn't take a scholar to see all those flaws.
The worst thing Christianity did to itself, is the Bible because the OT distracts from the teachings of Jesus. While much of the NT either gets them wrong, perverts them or manipulates them so that the Church has spiritual power over the ignorant masses. Simply put, Christianity uses the Bible as a weapon to control it's followers.
@coyoteself i don't agree, Jesus fulfills many old testament prophesies. The gospel of Matthew is pretty much all Jesus fulfilling old testament and showing how all the old testament points forward to himself. Luke 24:44 for example he says how all the old testament is actually about him. Jesus teachings very much compliment the old testament and bring them to fruition under the new covenant
@speeron if you understood how and why the Bible was created, then of course Jesus is going to fulfill OT prophecies. In fact it would be crazy if he didn't and a writer would be remiss to leave such a thing out. One of the problems with the Bible is that the best arguments against anything in the Bible, is within the Bible itself. As for Jesus teachings compliments the OT, ya might want to rethink that, because many of them actually run counter to Leviticus, Deuteronomy &. others
@coyoteself i don't see anything in Leviticus of Deuteronomy that isn't inline with Jesus's teaching, although some parts are obscure. In fact I see them as being very complimentart to the new testament
There are so many inaccuracies in this. "Professing to be wise, they became fools. Ever-learning, yet never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
Warning: this is the worst "documentary" I ever seen! Actually, the first 12 minutes of the worst documentary since I couldn't stand watching it any more. Don't wate your time, don't watch it.
As I understood this.. He read all the bibles.. He was a christian, and now he is a muslim.. What can I say, this is how we're screwed together, he found the meaning! And thats what im saying.. If we dont establish the caliphate white people will....
Man I wish I had this in text form. The script for this video is so wonderfully dense and rich with information. I must have watched this like 10 times.
These Atheist hordes invariably descends from this hollow Paulee Cult.A murderer master liar Jew concocts a superb philosophical Goo to safeguard World Jewry and points to another strangely named Jew as half man half god ! The yearning soul of gullible Gentiles who never saw a prophet of their own laps it up without any reasons or rhymes.38,000+ mutated varieties are still wallowing in this sticky Goo with exceptions to some brave clever ones escaping to Islam or to Atheism.Dig deeper you slaves
your thoughts are just makeing shit up at times to fill the holes and u resorting to talking about my speeling and the reason u call it chickin broth because u cant understand it
@stevesworld100 - Get this clear. The bible was just ancient people making shit up. If your spelling is a duck, I call it what it is. Chicken broth is best hot. Spell like u care.
@RODikUlus i cant spell ok get that through ur fucking head and no its not the reason the bible is all abot how nice eveyrhing was is because thats what the church put in it
@stevesworld100- You spelled "stevesworld100" just fine. What happened? Your mom typed "stevesworld100", and you typed the rest? If so, then you don't belong here.
@stevesworld100 - So then how do you define a flaw when there is no purpose? Tell me. Purpose is crucial in determining if something is "perfect". There must be purpose! Ur so wrong.
@RODikUlus perfect means HAS NO FLAWS not has no flaws for what it is doing a purpose is not needed i used to think you were smart, but ur logic is starting to get very flawed
@stevesworld100 - I think you get dumber the more you type. If humans weren't created with a purpose, then we just are...no god needed. What makes you think god needed no intervention?
@RODikUlus wow do u ignore what i typed before? i said we have one but WE DONT KNOW IT yet your just readressing old points because u know u cant kept going
@RODikUlus wow do u ignore what i typed before? i said we have one but WE DONT KNOW IT yet your just readressing old points because u know u cant kept going
The word Elohim is grammatically plural. Also only the leadership was exiled to Babylon, and the exile lasted only 70 years. When Zerubabbel and Joshua returned, they codified the books of the bible, but much of the population who had stayed behind refused to accept the codification and acknowledged only the Torah (Pentateuch). They became the Samaritans, who still exist and maintain a temple on Mt. Gerizim
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@stevesworld100- In my life experience, the only reason for ANYONE to withold knowledge from another, is because they want to keep you in a position of ignorance, so as to take advantage of you. I find it very interesting that biblical god banned knowledge from mankind. Knowledge that he and the rest of the Elohim ( that he is a part of) had. So, was this knowledge an upgrade for man, or a downgrade, being these "gods" possessed it?
You.. talk about evolating.. What difference is there between yesterday and today, the christians were fags back then and theyre a bunch of fags today, what difference is there between the jews of yesterday and of today, they massacre, they crusade, they want to be free..
@zthomasack By saying the God of Christianity and Judaism, includes the OT by definition. The god of islam is very different from the God of the bible (OT and NT).
@thelogster They are not that different actually; you may have been misled into believing that. All three are Abrahamic based, and Islam acknowledges almost the exact same story of Jesus (Prophet Isa) in Islam, that is in the Bible. Similarities in the story include the immaculate conception, disciples, teachings, and persecution of Jesus. A few of the major differences are Christianity's considering Jesus as the Son of God and Jesus' resurrection. The two are similar, but different
@thelogster No, you cannot. I would say that we're talking about a George H.W. Bush to a George W. Bush comparison here, but it is subjective. The two gods are derived from the same thing, but are interpreted as acting in slightly different ways.
You stated that the god of Islam and the god of Christianity were/are "completely different." They are different, but not completely different or even very different. The god of the OT is very different from the god of the NT, however.
@zthomasack "The god of the OT is very different from the god of the NT, however."
God is constant through the new and old testaments.
"They are different, but not completely different or even very different."
100% 180 degrees different, just look at the path to salvation. Either the bible is correct, or the quran is correct, they both can't be correct as they fundamentally contradict each other.
What the video says is teached in theology studies. It's not a secret. The concept we have about God has evolved, but What God is still. The same with the atomic model: the atom stills the same, but our models of it evilved.
To confuse God with tye concept we have of God, is just stupid. The Bible doesn't hide the fact it is a collection of texts. That's the reason it calls itself "the scriptures"
@johnkx You find that the most rational way to respond to your doubts is to use a bunch of what-ifs. What if there is no god? And Yahweh, just like every other fictitious religious figure, is a made-up being.
I wish there were a way to effectively promote this video to get more views. SOOOO many people need to see this! :) you videos have helped me find so much comfort in truth.
Just one point in the beginning here: THere is no trace whatsoever of any jewish culture or religion as early as 1750 bce. Nothinh until centuries and centuries later. So there were may monotheists who predated them, and who no doubt had many of their myths and legends "borrowed" by the jews later when the jewish cultured had arisen and they needed a "history" and an ""identity". Now I'll watch the rest of your very good looking video. : )
Abraham was commanded to leave the Chaldeans who he lived among so he took with him the ideas of the people he had left including the name of the most high God.
@MrJcenter7 Nah, it means you were indoctrinated and/or gullible. God was created by man, and what religious people do is basically think someone similar to Gandalf or Harry Potter is actually real.
@Evid3nc3 The argument presented in this video seems like a very useful tool in showing how man-made god is, but I have to ask what your source is at 1:10 where you say Karen Armstrong's ideas are accepted by the majority of Anthropologists and Archeologists.
Awesome Stuff! U had me at 2.5. I bought and read "A history of God" in the 90's and that began my quest to uncover the origin(s) of religion(s). Thank you. We are nearing a new age that will usher in new way of living, free of ancient myths that compartmentalize humans. A new book that can actually sustain life and livelihood rather than destroy it from a belief system that is within and NOT up in the air.
@subRegCoder Why does the bible being altered affect its truth? This video should only do harm if youre an inerrantist. Im not an inerrantist and this video doesn't affect my faith in the least.
@mrstevenjake22 The point is this. If the bible have been changed throughout history because of the wims of man. How can you know what is true and isn't true in the bible? The point of the video is to show how unreliable the bible is,
@mrstevenjake22 This confused me at first, but I now see your logic. The bible in its state holds a truth value regardless of its history. However, if it were altered to the extend that this video claims, then the bible lies of its own nature. For example: the claims of the alterations of Isaiah would indicate that Isaiah was not truly written by the prophet Isaiah and the claims of the date of the gospels would mean that the gospels were not witness accounts. That was the base of my query.
@mrstevenjake22 - If there was a powerful God, who wanted humaninty to know accurate information about our origins, then he would never let someone tamper with it. If you were all powerful, would you let someone change your words? I wouldn't, nor would anyone else. It just goes to show that that with all of his power, he can't even protect his word/reputation, which means he has no power over such things...which can lead to the conclusion that biblical god doesn't truly exist.
@RODikUlus I've thought about this ever since I doubted my religion, but I've also thought that "what if" there is this thing we call God, and he gave us life and the freedom to do whatever we wanted and gave us the rules that need to live, then everything after that is just a test. Abraham's story is to test his faith, Noah's story to show his power, and he doesn't care if people die because their soul go back to him to live an eternal life.
@RODikUlus i respect ur oppion and all but ur comment is stupid, god dosnt want us to know all the origns yet since mystery draws humans closer, and god lets us how u say "change his words" becuase he gave us a little something called free will and if god smited eveyone that offened him there would only be zealots. so ur comment is stupid since u dont have ur facts stright
@stevesworld100 - If you want to look smart, you're the only one who can do that. Now's your time to shine.
Why wouldn't God want us to have untainted information of human origins? Mystery you say? Logic & truth attracts humans. Science fiction & comics attract humans for other reasons. Evidence lets humans trust in something that is provable. Yet, you believe that unprovable things are trustworthy? Why?
Why would a god create temptable man & angels, & then punish them for being temptable?
@RODikUlus if god gave us everything from the start, no one would be intrested in him only the fearful and the zeolots would be left, and logic and truth attract humans yes, but not as much as mystery, i belive god because its the only logical thing that could have started life i belive in evolution and i think the story of adam and eve was bullshit, and we are temptable because god wanted us to have free will
@stevesworld100-The definition of perfection would imply that god be self sufficient. But if he's driven by his own fear of how others may ignore him, he's actually petty. So, your saying that biblical god lets there be confusion, ( which isn't a "holy" trait), so that he can be loved more? Again, you prove how petty, jealous, & needy this omnipotent being is supposed to be. Not logical at all.
"if god gave us everything from the start...". What do you mean by "everything"?
@RODikUlus god is self suffient, and he is not afride, and confussion is needed for life if we would never be confused it means we would never learn, if we never learn life is boring Part 1
@stevesworld100 - So, you're saying that since biblcal god is omnicient ( All Knowing) and can't learn, his life is boring...that is until he creates things he can punish. Makes sense!
@RODikUlus and holy dosnt mean to be let there be conffusion or death or evil in the world and no i dont prove how needy and jealous he is, its inpassable to prove the nonexistint Part 2
@RODikUlus and by everything i mean space time, the big bang and the space to evolove in to humans today sorry for the many posts youtube is being weird and only letting me post smal posts
@stevesworld100- A good mystery novel is attractive, just as a movie with conflict, because then there is a story to tell. That's all the bible is. However, NO human is interested in having mysterious origins. When it's fiction, mystery is ok. When it's non-fiction, such as knowing your real parents, or your employment...are humans really attracted to mystery? Mystery requires a level of deciet. I say NO. Those are areas where only truth, and logic belong.
@RODikUlus frist off that is oppion, mine is statiscal there were many studys so in that respect i win, and what was put in the bible was conditnaol, only 1/3 was realy put in and (part 1)
@stevesworld100-There are alternate ways consciousness could have begun. 1st off, you believe your god had no start...so logically explain where his/it's life came from. Even though god/spirit beings is an alien life-form to a human being, it's interesting to note our brain is an electro-chemical unit. I think it makes sense to admit that chemicals & electricity reacted to each other before consciousness ever existed. The start of consciousness may have emerged from these things.
@RODikUlus i agree that we dont know where god stemed thats one of the mysterys, and yes ur logic here for the most part i aggree with, but like a pengulum things need a push, thats god
@stevesworld100 - You just said you don't know where "god" comes from, then you make an affirmative statement as if he's the "push". How sure you are...while being unsure. Hmmmm
@stevesworld100 - With no consciousness, there is no god. Do you agree with this statement? If you don't why not? I don't think it makes much sense to believe that consciousness on any level existed from the "beginning".
So, biblical god created evil, because he wanted us to have free will? Biblical god instigates lies because he wants us to have free will? What does lying, and evil have to do with holiness?
@RODikUlus yes and no, god could have existed before hand we do not know yet, lieing and evil has everything to do with holyness without one we can not know the other
@stevesworld100 - So god wasn't truly good, until a being called Satan went against god? Funny...I didn't know that god created Satan for the sole purpose so god can be defined.
@RODikUlus i guess u could say god wasnt turly holy before satan and i guess that he made him for that is passiable and no i didnt prove my self wroung god is perfect therfore (part 1)
@stevesworld100 - It's sad that a "perfect" god had to create imperfection...just to feel better about himself. Again, this is pettyness from biblical god, & U swallow it all up!!
@RODikUlus it wasnt to "feel better about himself" it was to create, and there is alot of real proof around god being real like saint Juan, and saint burnnidete
@RODikUlus no your just trying to put things together that dont because u know ur wroung, there is proof god is real the storys of st burrnidete and st Juan and we dont know humans purpose
@RODikUlus acid isnt perfect and look them up, there not enofe characters in basis the mircle pond (still around to day heals people docters cant find reason why) Juan was a direct sign
@stevesworld100 -WOW. You just unknowingly implied that acid was created with a purpose in mind. "it can't do everything it was intended to do". What was it inteneded to do? U tell me
@stevesworld100 - So, you admit that a purpose materialized before acid did. Why would you want acid to burn through everything? Stupid..then it can't be bottled!!! OMG
@RODikUlus it cant burn through everything, now your just being imature admit ur wroung i dont care if convert i just want u to stop bothering me even after i won
@stevesworld100 - What good is acid if it can't be bottled. I demolished you with a simple statement...& I wasn't trying to. Your lack of foresight demolished you. I pointed it out.
@stevesworld100 - The only thing that would cause you to reject the idea that we came from an imperfect god, is because you feel in love with the perfect god idea.
@stevesworld100 - How can you "win" with a bonehead statement like that? You are truly dillusional. I thought you may have been intelligent at 1st, but you have failed. Keep trying.
@RODikUlus actlay what i said was very intelligient if u dont see it ur stupid, if u knew anything about history perfection corrupts thats why humans have nothing perfect
@stevesworld100 Nope. Saying that acid must burn everything...including the bottle meant to carry it around is pure stupidity. You are trying to put spin on a spinless idea.
@stevesworld100 - So you're saying that acid isn't perfect until it burns through whatever needs to contain it? Priceless. Do me a favor. Don't remove your coments. More warzone later.
@RODikUlus nothing can be perfect except for god even if it does burn everything it still isnt perfect, and why would i take it down when your the one who lost?
@stevesworld100 - I lost? We'll just let others decide...if they care too. You even said God wasn't truly perfect until imperfection came. Do you know what you're saying. NO
@stevesworld100 - "nothing can be perfect except for god"...who says? Acid can be defined as perfect when it's clear that it burns through whatever it was purposed to burn through.
@stevesworld100 - I've given you the chance to back your statement. I say that anything invented/created had a purpose. Only by judging how it measures up to it's purpose, can it be seen if the invention/creation is perfect. Perfect according to it's purpose. Name to me something that was intentionally invented/created with NO purpose in mind. If you can't give a great example, then consider your argument flawed within logic & reality. Please, don't flaw the spelling either.
@stevesworld100 -You contradict yourself here. History proves perfection corrupts? How...if nothing a human has ever done was perfect. Where is this "history" you're talking about?
@RODikUlus dictators thought power was perfect, so when it was in there hands, all of the power they were corupted and slain over waht they belived was perfect
@stevesworld100 - Why would you use government ( with their agenda not benefiting most of the population) as an example of perfection in history? That makes no sense.
@stevesworld100 -If all you can give me is men who "thought" power was perfect, then this example sucks eggs. Gotta go. Give a better example & I'll respond 2morrow. Good night.
@stevesworld100dictators "thought" power was perfect. Do U "think" power is perfect? If not, why use this assinine example to "prove" perfection gets corrupted, if power isn't perfect?
Interesting thoughts, I'll have to go read that book. Any thoughts on the idea that somehow Atenism is connected to Judaism, and that the Exodus was actually a retelling of Atenists fleeing/being kicked out? Personally I find this video's explanation better, especially in light of 7:40, well said and it makes so much sense.
Velox415 56 minutes ago
i am from israel and used to be a practicing jew until 4 years ago. in hebrew the word for the God is "elohim" but the word for A god is "el". "elim" is plural for "el" that means gods. "elohim" however may very well be a combination of all forces and gods into one. "יהוה צבאות"- means YWHW ARMIES. so yeah it is quite reasonable to assume this god was previously a war god, given his psychotic nature.
goblinclaus 18 hours ago
Sorry got that a bit wrong. Cain came from Ur and went to Uz to find a wife. I always laugh at that because the story about Cain finding a wife disproves that Adam and Eve were the only people. ie Where did the people of Uz come from for Cain to find a wife. Not from Adam and Eve that's for sure. lol
Valthepixie 1 day ago
Yahwah in hebrew is YHWH and means lord, as in a title. El is the name of their name of their deity. El Elyon, God of the high places = Thor. Thor is a brutal viscious narcissistic thug, exactly the same as the OT Biblical god. It originates from ancient Ur. Cain came from Uz present day Amenia, contiguous with Ur and the Caucus volcanic mountain range of Promethius fame. Thor is the god of vulcanism. Mount Elbrus is the biggest vulcano in the Caucus mountain range.
Valthepixie 1 day ago
The earlest historical evidence of any mono deity religion was the utterly detested one invented by the Egyptian pharoh Arkenaten, aka Amenhotep IV, c1,300bce. He had to build a new city and populate it chosen people.
It's too much of a coincidence for me that a people turn up in Palestine a short while after the detested Amenhoteps death, with tales of being the chosen people of a mono deity and fleeing Egypt for their lives. I mean come on, what are the odds.
Valthepixie 1 day ago
El of the Elohim. El is singular and masculine, Elohim is plural and femanine. El had two wives, Asherah and Rhomerah. The literal translation is 'the male god of the two godesses. I think they were associated with Dusk and Dawn, and are two aspects of the feminine, sex and pregnancy. Baal was their only begotten son and like Jesus was a mediator.
Valthepixie 1 day ago
I love the part when he says, "the ultimate assholes."
makupaku91 1 day ago
The bible is a retrospectively written piece of propaganda that fails on so many levels its a joke people cant see that. The gospels contradict each other regularly, if its the inspired word of god then he nust have been pissed each time he dictated his thoughs.
psycho3968 3 days ago 7
excellent vid
psycho3968 3 days ago
It's like the bible was written by Ingsoc.
AkatsukiPR0 4 days ago
I soo wish you could have discussed Christianity too! Ah well, hope you'll do that in a future video! :) This video is great!! I am definitely going to get that book!
JohanTW 4 days ago in playlist Favorite videos
It's scary how even though we know so much about the development of the Judeo-Christian religions from older pagan religions, most of the world believes in this stone age bullshit.
Megabob10 5 days ago
This was really interesting and informative. Thanks for posting this :) Well done and keep up the great work!
sadiew1990 5 days ago
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@Evid3nc3
I know the book, so the Genetic fallacy ?
This entire video is based on speculation, actually a collection of speculation, designed to support predetermined conclusion.
VyckRo 6 days ago
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VyckRo 6 days ago
nothing to do with the video but why is that retard with the glasses and the sideways cap on all the related videos that are even remotely agnostic, secular, or atheist? fuck! I even saw it looming there on a bill hicks video. either way, looking like that, is anyone supposed to take you seriously? How about this for a question to destroy christianity. 3 word question. four legged locusts? Go.
Imakoochan 1 week ago
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
lease2coach1 1 week ago
@sertomorrento
evid3nc3 usually responds more when you post on his channel page
Jamestheatheist1 1 week ago
@Jamestheatheist1 Thanks.
Sertomorrento 6 days ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@Evid3nc3 It's still a possibility that they could have been actually monotheistic believers, receiving revelation from a true divine source, and subsequent followers had altered their belief systems and Biographical history through removal and addition of pagan philosophies to suit their preferences.
Sertomorrento 1 week ago
@Evid3nc3 The information applies very well to Christianity and the Bible, even the Torah, exposing and explaining their pagan origins, however, the sequence and presentation of data indicate firmly that Abraham and Jacob had always been polytheistic, as if there were actually no flaws in that specific interpretation of Info. In other words, how could you know that these individuals were in fact polytheistic?! through the Bible? You've just proven the Bible to be altered, false, unreliable.
Sertomorrento 1 week ago
@Sertomorrento
"The information applies very well to Christianity and the Bible"
No! but it's good to know that atheists continue to try, to demonstrate theirs a priori ideas.
VyckRo 6 days ago
@VyckRo I'd love to see some contestation of the information in this video. The historical references are solid, the timescale matches archeological data, and the cultural and social references match the individual histories kept by the various nations at issue here.
Claiming that the information here is "a priori," or rather, without experience in its justification, ignores all the evidence clearly laid out before you. But zealots are rather good at ignoring information they don't like.
DeadlyChinchilla 4 days ago
Whether or not you like this video. It doesn't take a scholar with a PHD to realize there's something definitely wrong with the Bible. The interesting thing is that if you question any part of it, you typically get either a nonsensical rationalization, or 1 of 2 default answers; "God works in mysterious ways" or "You must have faith..." Better yet you're treated to the shell game by being quoted some totally unrelated scripture. All of which further proves just how screwed up the Bible is
coyoteself 1 week ago 6
@coyoteself thats not totaly true. when people do answer questions in those ways that just means they dont know the answer and dont care enough to try and find out the answers for you, it doesnt mean the Bible has problems with it, just that they dont know the answers.
speeron 3 days ago
@speeron Even tho someone may not know the answers, doesn't mean the Bible isn't flawed and as I said, it doesn't take a scholar to see all those flaws.
The worst thing Christianity did to itself, is the Bible because the OT distracts from the teachings of Jesus. While much of the NT either gets them wrong, perverts them or manipulates them so that the Church has spiritual power over the ignorant masses. Simply put, Christianity uses the Bible as a weapon to control it's followers.
coyoteself 3 days ago
@coyoteself i don't agree, Jesus fulfills many old testament prophesies. The gospel of Matthew is pretty much all Jesus fulfilling old testament and showing how all the old testament points forward to himself. Luke 24:44 for example he says how all the old testament is actually about him. Jesus teachings very much compliment the old testament and bring them to fruition under the new covenant
speeron 3 days ago
@speeron if you understood how and why the Bible was created, then of course Jesus is going to fulfill OT prophecies. In fact it would be crazy if he didn't and a writer would be remiss to leave such a thing out. One of the problems with the Bible is that the best arguments against anything in the Bible, is within the Bible itself. As for Jesus teachings compliments the OT, ya might want to rethink that, because many of them actually run counter to Leviticus, Deuteronomy &. others
coyoteself 3 days ago
@coyoteself i don't see anything in Leviticus of Deuteronomy that isn't inline with Jesus's teaching, although some parts are obscure. In fact I see them as being very complimentart to the new testament
speeron 3 days ago
You wonder why America is a Christian nation and always at war? Not anymore.
LazyOtaku 1 week ago 5
All religion is based in Paganism, period.
LazyOtaku 1 week ago
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bennydelete 1 week ago
There are so many inaccuracies in this. "Professing to be wise, they became fools. Ever-learning, yet never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
jason101other 1 week ago
@jason101other "There are so many inaccuracies in this."
Well, instead of making simple assertions and quoting a quip, try supporting your assertion.
Come on, enlighten us with the truth.
burkerow 1 week ago
Almost half the dates are inaccurate
0oMinceMeato0 1 week ago
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@0oMinceMeato0 "Almost half the dates are inaccurate"
Well that's a helpful comment. Why don't you correct a few dates?
burkerow 1 week ago
I like how you color-coded the Bible to show how many authors it had and where they made changes to the story.
FrankLightheart 1 week ago
I need a scientist to help me something.. You see.. .. . I f you drink tea,,from a lit-glas.-Wetched its hot..! I lighter flame-cyrles..
Hancerlioglu 2 weeks ago
Warning: this is the worst "documentary" I ever seen! Actually, the first 12 minutes of the worst documentary since I couldn't stand watching it any more. Don't wate your time, don't watch it.
- An atheist.
heathmoor 2 weeks ago
@heathmoor - what's so bad about it?
- A real atheist
shumble32 2 weeks ago
@heathmoor Yeah dude. wtf. Did he get his info wrong or something or is just bad to you because you can't stand his editing or something?
jomesband070 1 week ago
As I understood this.. He read all the bibles.. He was a christian, and now he is a muslim.. What can I say, this is how we're screwed together, he found the meaning! And thats what im saying.. If we dont establish the caliphate white people will....
Hancerlioglu 2 weeks ago
Man I wish I had this in text form. The script for this video is so wonderfully dense and rich with information. I must have watched this like 10 times.
Jerig128 2 weeks ago
These Atheist hordes invariably descends from this hollow Paulee Cult.A murderer master liar Jew concocts a superb philosophical Goo to safeguard World Jewry and points to another strangely named Jew as half man half god ! The yearning soul of gullible Gentiles who never saw a prophet of their own laps it up without any reasons or rhymes.38,000+ mutated varieties are still wallowing in this sticky Goo with exceptions to some brave clever ones escaping to Islam or to Atheism.Dig deeper you slaves
trs24june 2 weeks ago
your thoughts are just makeing shit up at times to fill the holes and u resorting to talking about my speeling and the reason u call it chickin broth because u cant understand it
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - Get this clear. The bible was just ancient people making shit up. If your spelling is a duck, I call it what it is. Chicken broth is best hot. Spell like u care.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus i cant spell ok get that through ur fucking head and no its not the reason the bible is all abot how nice eveyrhing was is because thats what the church put in it
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100- You spelled "stevesworld100" just fine. What happened? Your mom typed "stevesworld100", and you typed the rest? If so, then you don't belong here.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
no it realy isnt worth a queston if he could only make perfect things hes not perfect and no perfect means without flaw so your wroung
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - So then how do you define a flaw when there is no purpose? Tell me. Purpose is crucial in determining if something is "perfect". There must be purpose! Ur so wrong.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus perfect means HAS NO FLAWS not has no flaws for what it is doing a purpose is not needed i used to think you were smart, but ur logic is starting to get very flawed
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - I think you get dumber the more you type. If humans weren't created with a purpose, then we just are...no god needed. What makes you think god needed no intervention?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus wow do u ignore what i typed before? i said we have one but WE DONT KNOW IT yet your just readressing old points because u know u cant kept going
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
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@RODikUlus wow do u ignore what i typed before? i said we have one but WE DONT KNOW IT yet your just readressing old points because u know u cant kept going
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
Damn, this is a fucking WARZONE
0oMinceMeato0 2 weeks ago
what were all these other gods meant to be doing as yaweh told everyone to worship only him? sitting jealously by?
mplm9512 2 weeks ago
Any chace for response to the critique from NASBonylist???
Kharmazov 2 weeks ago
lol i always imagined god to be the god of war due to his bloodthirsty motives. it all makes sense now. a jewish version of mars/ares
dondopa 2 weeks ago
this is nonsense. GOD LIVES!
bunyonb 2 weeks ago
The word Elohim is grammatically plural. Also only the leadership was exiled to Babylon, and the exile lasted only 70 years. When Zerubabbel and Joshua returned, they codified the books of the bible, but much of the population who had stayed behind refused to accept the codification and acknowledged only the Torah (Pentateuch). They became the Samaritans, who still exist and maintain a temple on Mt. Gerizim
gspaulsson 2 weeks ago
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The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
Yeah. That makes sense. When I first read the bible, it felt like a collection of random stories instead one history.
MithranArkanere 2 weeks ago
188,706 2/13 9:42AM
galerouth 2 weeks ago
Wow, Mind=Blown.
schmendrikc 3 weeks ago
@stevesworld100- In my life experience, the only reason for ANYONE to withold knowledge from another, is because they want to keep you in a position of ignorance, so as to take advantage of you. I find it very interesting that biblical god banned knowledge from mankind. Knowledge that he and the rest of the Elohim ( that he is a part of) had. So, was this knowledge an upgrade for man, or a downgrade, being these "gods" possessed it?
RODikUlus 3 weeks ago
You.. talk about evolating.. What difference is there between yesterday and today, the christians were fags back then and theyre a bunch of fags today, what difference is there between the jews of yesterday and of today, they massacre, they crusade, they want to be free..
Hancerlioglu 3 weeks ago
Well, you all believe P.K.K. is a terror-organisation, then you gotta believe in God like donkeys
Hancerlioglu 3 weeks ago
God of Christianity and Judaism is not the same god as the god of islam.
thelogster 3 weeks ago
@thelogster They are similar, if you include the Old Testament of the Bible of Christianity.
zthomasack 3 weeks ago
@zthomasack By saying the God of Christianity and Judaism, includes the OT by definition. The god of islam is very different from the God of the bible (OT and NT).
thelogster 3 weeks ago
@thelogster They are not that different actually; you may have been misled into believing that. All three are Abrahamic based, and Islam acknowledges almost the exact same story of Jesus (Prophet Isa) in Islam, that is in the Bible. Similarities in the story include the immaculate conception, disciples, teachings, and persecution of Jesus. A few of the major differences are Christianity's considering Jesus as the Son of God and Jesus' resurrection. The two are similar, but different
zthomasack 3 weeks ago
@zthomasack Ok, so using your logic, I can say that Hitler and Gandhi were basically the same, because they were both human and male.
The god of islam's characteristics, are completely different from the God of the bible's characteristics. Not to mention the way to salvation....
thelogster 3 weeks ago
@thelogster No, you cannot. I would say that we're talking about a George H.W. Bush to a George W. Bush comparison here, but it is subjective. The two gods are derived from the same thing, but are interpreted as acting in slightly different ways.
You stated that the god of Islam and the god of Christianity were/are "completely different." They are different, but not completely different or even very different. The god of the OT is very different from the god of the NT, however.
zthomasack 3 weeks ago
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@zthomasack "The god of the OT is very different from the god of the NT, however."
God is constant through the new and old testaments.
"They are different, but not completely different or even very different."
100% 180 degrees different, just look at the path to salvation. Either the bible is correct, or the quran is correct, they both can't be correct as they fundamentally contradict each other.
thelogster 3 weeks ago
What the video says is teached in theology studies. It's not a secret. The concept we have about God has evolved, but What God is still. The same with the atomic model: the atom stills the same, but our models of it evilved.
belegulo 3 weeks ago
To confuse God with tye concept we have of God, is just stupid. The Bible doesn't hide the fact it is a collection of texts. That's the reason it calls itself "the scriptures"
belegulo 3 weeks ago
This should be made into a real TV documentary perhaps co-hosted by a few well known atheist / agnostics
I'm agnostic my self but i'm totally against all forms of organised religion as they all horse shit
I only learned this morning that Moses if he existed killed over 3000 people , I don't remember
that in the Charlton Heston film : ) The more you learn about organised religions the less
you like that's probably why they despise criticism so much,
MrIrishBilly 3 weeks ago
@johnkx You find that the most rational way to respond to your doubts is to use a bunch of what-ifs. What if there is no god? And Yahweh, just like every other fictitious religious figure, is a made-up being.
incyc70 3 weeks ago
God help these people! Open their deceptive eyes towards you! They need you-truly! SMH!
Speakwisely1st 3 weeks ago
So It comes down to faith whether one believes in abraham
MrJcenter7 3 weeks ago
I wish there were a way to effectively promote this video to get more views. SOOOO many people need to see this! :) you videos have helped me find so much comfort in truth.
solidsnakeliquidgas 3 weeks ago
187,023 2/8 10:16
galerouth 3 weeks ago
Just one point in the beginning here: THere is no trace whatsoever of any jewish culture or religion as early as 1750 bce. Nothinh until centuries and centuries later. So there were may monotheists who predated them, and who no doubt had many of their myths and legends "borrowed" by the jews later when the jewish cultured had arisen and they needed a "history" and an ""identity". Now I'll watch the rest of your very good looking video. : )
winterstellar 3 weeks ago
Abraham was commanded to leave the Chaldeans who he lived among so he took with him the ideas of the people he had left including the name of the most high God.
MrJcenter7 3 weeks ago
@Bornofbadger I was responding to an earlier post here on this site
MrJcenter7 3 weeks ago
@MrJcenter7 Oh right. Your post had no @ to anybody which confused me since the vid say's nothing of trolls. :-)
Bornofbadger 3 weeks ago
So because I believe in God I am trolling?
MrJcenter7 3 weeks ago
@MrJcenter7 How did you come to that conclusion, did I miss something?
Bornofbadger 3 weeks ago
@MrJcenter7 Nah, it means you were indoctrinated and/or gullible. God was created by man, and what religious people do is basically think someone similar to Gandalf or Harry Potter is actually real.
Abedeuss 3 weeks ago
@MrJcenter7 correct
solidsnakeliquidgas 3 weeks ago
@Evid3nc3 The argument presented in this video seems like a very useful tool in showing how man-made god is, but I have to ask what your source is at 1:10 where you say Karen Armstrong's ideas are accepted by the majority of Anthropologists and Archeologists.
mancno1 4 weeks ago
185,166 12:55pm 2/5
galerouth 4 weeks ago
It's pronounced "TEE-uh-mat" not tymat....
teague67 1 month ago
Awesome Stuff! U had me at 2.5. I bought and read "A history of God" in the 90's and that began my quest to uncover the origin(s) of religion(s). Thank you. We are nearing a new age that will usher in new way of living, free of ancient myths that compartmentalize humans. A new book that can actually sustain life and livelihood rather than destroy it from a belief system that is within and NOT up in the air.
moby1017 1 month ago
@mrstevenjake22
That's got to be a joke, right?
There are multiple gods completely outside the time frame of Genesis alone and your faith isn't shaken?
Oh, right. Walk by faith, not by sight. Blind fool.
godhatesyeast 1 month ago
@subRegCoder Why does the bible being altered affect its truth? This video should only do harm if youre an inerrantist. Im not an inerrantist and this video doesn't affect my faith in the least.
mrstevenjake22 1 month ago
@mrstevenjake22 The point is this. If the bible have been changed throughout history because of the wims of man. How can you know what is true and isn't true in the bible? The point of the video is to show how unreliable the bible is,
2Critical4You 1 month ago
@mrstevenjake22 This confused me at first, but I now see your logic. The bible in its state holds a truth value regardless of its history. However, if it were altered to the extend that this video claims, then the bible lies of its own nature. For example: the claims of the alterations of Isaiah would indicate that Isaiah was not truly written by the prophet Isaiah and the claims of the date of the gospels would mean that the gospels were not witness accounts. That was the base of my query.
subRegCoder 4 weeks ago
@mrstevenjake22 - If there was a powerful God, who wanted humaninty to know accurate information about our origins, then he would never let someone tamper with it. If you were all powerful, would you let someone change your words? I wouldn't, nor would anyone else. It just goes to show that that with all of his power, he can't even protect his word/reputation, which means he has no power over such things...which can lead to the conclusion that biblical god doesn't truly exist.
RODikUlus 4 weeks ago 14
@RODikUlus I've thought about this ever since I doubted my religion, but I've also thought that "what if" there is this thing we call God, and he gave us life and the freedom to do whatever we wanted and gave us the rules that need to live, then everything after that is just a test. Abraham's story is to test his faith, Noah's story to show his power, and he doesn't care if people die because their soul go back to him to live an eternal life.
johnkx 3 weeks ago
@RODikUlus i respect ur oppion and all but ur comment is stupid, god dosnt want us to know all the origns yet since mystery draws humans closer, and god lets us how u say "change his words" becuase he gave us a little something called free will and if god smited eveyone that offened him there would only be zealots. so ur comment is stupid since u dont have ur facts stright
stevesworld100 3 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - Indoctrination has kept you stupid. I hope you can make your way out of the box you've been given to think inside of.
RODikUlus 3 weeks ago
@RODikUlus A better response would be addressing my points insteed of trying to make me look stupid
stevesworld100 3 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - If you want to look smart, you're the only one who can do that. Now's your time to shine.
Why wouldn't God want us to have untainted information of human origins? Mystery you say? Logic & truth attracts humans. Science fiction & comics attract humans for other reasons. Evidence lets humans trust in something that is provable. Yet, you believe that unprovable things are trustworthy? Why?
Why would a god create temptable man & angels, & then punish them for being temptable?
RODikUlus 3 weeks ago
@RODikUlus if god gave us everything from the start, no one would be intrested in him only the fearful and the zeolots would be left, and logic and truth attract humans yes, but not as much as mystery, i belive god because its the only logical thing that could have started life i belive in evolution and i think the story of adam and eve was bullshit, and we are temptable because god wanted us to have free will
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100-The definition of perfection would imply that god be self sufficient. But if he's driven by his own fear of how others may ignore him, he's actually petty. So, your saying that biblical god lets there be confusion, ( which isn't a "holy" trait), so that he can be loved more? Again, you prove how petty, jealous, & needy this omnipotent being is supposed to be. Not logical at all.
"if god gave us everything from the start...". What do you mean by "everything"?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus god is self suffient, and he is not afride, and confussion is needed for life if we would never be confused it means we would never learn, if we never learn life is boring Part 1
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - So, you're saying that since biblcal god is omnicient ( All Knowing) and can't learn, his life is boring...that is until he creates things he can punish. Makes sense!
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - According to your beLIEf, is your god alive? Is he confused? You just proved your statement severly wrong.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus and holy dosnt mean to be let there be conffusion or death or evil in the world and no i dont prove how needy and jealous he is, its inpassable to prove the nonexistint Part 2
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus and by everything i mean space time, the big bang and the space to evolove in to humans today sorry for the many posts youtube is being weird and only letting me post smal posts
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100- A good mystery novel is attractive, just as a movie with conflict, because then there is a story to tell. That's all the bible is. However, NO human is interested in having mysterious origins. When it's fiction, mystery is ok. When it's non-fiction, such as knowing your real parents, or your employment...are humans really attracted to mystery? Mystery requires a level of deciet. I say NO. Those are areas where only truth, and logic belong.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus frist off that is oppion, mine is statiscal there were many studys so in that respect i win, and what was put in the bible was conditnaol, only 1/3 was realy put in and (part 1)
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - What is opinion. I'm unsure what you are answering now. I see the character limit is less than 500 now. That sucks!!
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus mystery means the unknown it dosnt require deciet it requires the unknown
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100-There are alternate ways consciousness could have begun. 1st off, you believe your god had no start...so logically explain where his/it's life came from. Even though god/spirit beings is an alien life-form to a human being, it's interesting to note our brain is an electro-chemical unit. I think it makes sense to admit that chemicals & electricity reacted to each other before consciousness ever existed. The start of consciousness may have emerged from these things.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus i agree that we dont know where god stemed thats one of the mysterys, and yes ur logic here for the most part i aggree with, but like a pengulum things need a push, thats god
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - You just said you don't know where "god" comes from, then you make an affirmative statement as if he's the "push". How sure you are...while being unsure. Hmmmm
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - With no consciousness, there is no god. Do you agree with this statement? If you don't why not? I don't think it makes much sense to believe that consciousness on any level existed from the "beginning".
So, biblical god created evil, because he wanted us to have free will? Biblical god instigates lies because he wants us to have free will? What does lying, and evil have to do with holiness?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus yes and no, god could have existed before hand we do not know yet, lieing and evil has everything to do with holyness without one we can not know the other
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - So god wasn't truly good, until a being called Satan went against god? Funny...I didn't know that god created Satan for the sole purpose so god can be defined.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus i guess u could say god wasnt turly holy before satan and i guess that he made him for that is passiable and no i didnt prove my self wroung god is perfect therfore (part 1)
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - It's sad that a "perfect" god had to create imperfection...just to feel better about himself. Again, this is pettyness from biblical god, & U swallow it all up!!
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus it wasnt to "feel better about himself" it was to create, and there is alot of real proof around god being real like saint Juan, and saint burnnidete
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - U just said proving god is impossible, now you say there is real proof that god is real. You CONFUSE and MYSTIFY yourself. Not me
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus no your just trying to put things together that dont because u know ur wroung, there is proof god is real the storys of st burrnidete and st Juan and we dont know humans purpose
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - Ok. Tell me the mysterious story of St Juan and St Burnidete. Is acid flawed when it's purpose is to disintergrate most things?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus acid isnt perfect and look them up, there not enofe characters in basis the mircle pond (still around to day heals people docters cant find reason why) Juan was a direct sign
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100-You said "acid isn't perfect". What do you base this assesment on?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus can acid do everthing? no it cant, it cant even do everything it was intended to do
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
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@RODikUlus can acid do everthing? no it cant, it cant even do everything it was intended to do
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 -WOW. You just unknowingly implied that acid was created with a purpose in mind. "it can't do everything it was intended to do". What was it inteneded to do? U tell me
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus acid was made to burn through things it cant burn through everything
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - So, you admit that a purpose materialized before acid did. Why would you want acid to burn through everything? Stupid..then it can't be bottled!!! OMG
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus it cant burn through everything, now your just being imature admit ur wroung i dont care if convert i just want u to stop bothering me even after i won
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - What good is acid if it can't be bottled. I demolished you with a simple statement...& I wasn't trying to. Your lack of foresight demolished you. I pointed it out.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus humans dont have anything perfect thats why acid isnt perfection corrupts
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - Then what is it that causes you to believe we are the product of a perfect being, when mankind falls far from your ideals?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus because we arnt perfect i accepted that
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - The only thing that would cause you to reject the idea that we came from an imperfect god, is because you feel in love with the perfect god idea.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - How can you "win" with a bonehead statement like that? You are truly dillusional. I thought you may have been intelligent at 1st, but you have failed. Keep trying.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus actlay what i said was very intelligient if u dont see it ur stupid, if u knew anything about history perfection corrupts thats why humans have nothing perfect
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 Nope. Saying that acid must burn everything...including the bottle meant to carry it around is pure stupidity. You are trying to put spin on a spinless idea.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus no thats if acid was perfect its not acid dosnt burn throgh everything
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 -WOW. I hope this comment stays up for those of us need comedic relief. Sheesh
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - So you're saying that acid isn't perfect until it burns through whatever needs to contain it? Priceless. Do me a favor. Don't remove your coments. More warzone later.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus nothing can be perfect except for god even if it does burn everything it still isnt perfect, and why would i take it down when your the one who lost?
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - I lost? We'll just let others decide...if they care too. You even said God wasn't truly perfect until imperfection came. Do you know what you're saying. NO
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus yes u did and i do know what i am saying your just to stupid to understand it
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - "nothing can be perfect except for god"...who says? Acid can be defined as perfect when it's clear that it burns through whatever it was purposed to burn through.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus perfect dosnt have to do with purpose so your comment is stupid
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
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@stevesworld100 - I've given you the chance to back your statement. I say that anything invented/created had a purpose. Only by judging how it measures up to it's purpose, can it be seen if the invention/creation is perfect. Perfect according to it's purpose. Name to me something that was intentionally invented/created with NO purpose in mind. If you can't give a great example, then consider your argument flawed within logic & reality. Please, don't flaw the spelling either.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 -You contradict yourself here. History proves perfection corrupts? How...if nothing a human has ever done was perfect. Where is this "history" you're talking about?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus dictators thought power was perfect, so when it was in there hands, all of the power they were corupted and slain over waht they belived was perfect
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 - Why would you use government ( with their agenda not benefiting most of the population) as an example of perfection in history? That makes no sense.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus yes it does those men thoguht power was perfect it corrpted
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 "thinking", and "knowing" are 2 completely different realms.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus and in reality they are the same if u think something but its wroung u thought u knew it was right
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 -If all you can give me is men who "thought" power was perfect, then this example sucks eggs. Gotta go. Give a better example & I'll respond 2morrow. Good night.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus thoght is the same as real if u think it is
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100 -Ancient men in Denmark "thought" Thor was the god of thunder. With a large population thinking this...was Thor a real thunder god?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
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@RODikUlus to them he was real, he wasnt we know now but he was not real at all,
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus, as real as Harry Potter.
heathmoor 2 weeks ago
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@heathmoor - Yes...Thor, Harry Potter, YHWH, Jesus, Superman, Hulk all have something in common.
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@stevesworld100dictators "thought" power was perfect. Do U "think" power is perfect? If not, why use this assinine example to "prove" perfection gets corrupted, if power isn't perfect?
RODikUlus 2 weeks ago
@RODikUlus i dont think power is perfect nothing is perfect but god, power corrupts because people think its perfect but in reality its not
stevesworld100 2 weeks ago