Zechariah Sitchin/Nibiru Debunked In 15 Seconds

[gvman3670]

Michael Heiser does NOT study Sumerian literature. His field of study is Semitic language and that's it. Hebrew is NOT Sumerian, and the people who DO study it have never once said Sitchin was wrong. I've looked and couldn't find one who has. Seriously, check for yourself. I wanted to debunk Sitchin myself, but couldn't.

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[keropiboy]

this is completely wrong... this video is pure disinformation. Sumerians used at least 5 ways to depict the sun. Look for 'shamash seal louvre museum' and you will see one of the 5 depictions, without any rays... michael heiser is a complete ignorant in the matter, don't follow his work. Study sumerian art and language on your own.

[CommanderSquidlet]

@keropiboy Fun fact: the Sumerians had their own dictionaries, and they don't support Sitchin's "translations."

[keropiboy]

@CommanderSquidlet fun fact: you took this phrase from Heiser's website, i bet you never read a sumerian lexicon, if you so... you will see how many sitchin translations are correct. And by the way, Heiser doesn't ever translate sumerian words in his works, only akkadian and hebrew. And he also translates them badly.

[KesherMedia]

@CommanderSquidlet

Fact- You're wrong!

Actually, they (the ancient Summer dictionaries) are more closely accurate to Stichin and heavily support the common knowledge esoteric teachings of old, which are now called "the occult teaching" than what your college system will educate you so that you may believe.

Fact- All empires lasting to this day were built on the old Annunaki bloodlines and via esoteric/occult knowledge (as we would call it today). That's even in your modern bible- find it!

[LRMcCutcheon1]

@KesherMedia FACT - your grammar sucks balls

[SoberAllmanBrosFan]

Ever heard of the asteroid/ dwarf planet Ceres? Check it out. If you've read Sitchin's work(s), then you'll know why I'm talking about it. There's other regions of our solar system that may contain debris from planetary collisions.

[Falconpunch82]

@SoberAllmanBrosFan Ceres is a star and is VERY far away.

[SoberAllmanBrosFan]

@Falconpunch82 Do some more research. Ceres is a dwarf planet within our solar system. It's in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter and it's existence has been known for a long time; in fact, many believed that it qualifies as an official planet.

[Falconpunch82]

@SoberAllmanBrosFan are you a believer in the whole nibiru thing?

[SoberAllmanBrosFan]

@Falconpunch82 No. I liked some of Sitchin's stuff but the Nibiru theory is too fallacious for me. Otherwise, he has great stuff to offer; example, he emphasizes the significance of Mesopotamia; its history in the Bible, its influence on every succeeding civilization, its immense scientific knowledge, etc. Common people don't realize this. Also, he shows how most ancient mythology derived its themes from Mesopotamia. The best- he shows how Noah's Ark is retelling the Epic of Gilgameshg.

[Falconpunch82]

@SoberAllmanBrosFan I think saw somewhere that Stitchin isn't a real scientist or something.

[ReneeNme]

@Falconpunch82 Sitchin ( deceased ) wasn't a scientist nor was he a scholar in ancient semitic languages. He was a graduate from the University of London and majored in the History of Economics.

[Falconpunch82]

@Falconpunch82 yeah exactly

[tropicalexc]

Uhhh hello the sun IS a star jackass....if you check your trusty flat earth encyclopedia mr. Discredit everything.

[fredwilliams420]

You are aware that the sun is in fact a star!?! You are retarded... That is all!

[CommanderSquidlet]

@fredwilliams420 Although this is common knowledge today, people in ancient times were not aware of this and thought the sun was a different object. Perhaps you should do more research before slinging the R-word around with such careless abandon.

[fredwilliams420]

@CommanderSquidlet Why is it every time someone comes along and has an alternative view about the creation of man, everyone jumps up "you're wrong, Believe this"?Where is the sun in this drawing.They forgot it!? I have researched Sumerian culture for years now.Probably a Christian? Self righteous ass walking around ignoring the evidence in his face!The earth is 12,000,000 yrs old.What about the dinosaurs then? Their bones were placed here to test our faith I bet! Explanation for everything!

[Falconpunch82]

@fredwilliams420 ummmm...does that have anything to do with anything?

[pilepeople]

@CommanderSquidlet Then how were they aware of a solar system thousands of years before it was rediscovered with telescopes?

[KesherMedia]

@CommanderSquidlet

Not true, only the people whom go to college now days or those whom are religious morons believe that people back them didn't know what's going on... Like those whom you diss, you're very lost as to what they actually knew.

Simple reality check here:  Open your eyes and see wondrous thing out of thy Law.

Discern that and get back with me when you know what it means.

[HappyBirthdaySANTA]

@fredwilliams420 hahahaahah that has to be the best diss ever.... some people like to fool themselves into believing anything!

[iamhewho]

the sun is a star! what else could it be? its obviously our solar system .

[panicindetroit67]

@TheMmmast

There is always something "not good" going on somewhere.

[bottleslingguy]

they also depicted the Sun in other ways. guess I just debunked you in even less time

[CommanderSquidlet]

@bottleslingguy Better tell Michael Heiser, who studies this stuff for a living, that he's wrong about this, then. :P

[kansasisaband]

@CommanderSquidlet Why? It doesn't matter to you or Michael that Sitchin studied his angle for his lifetime does it? What would make MH any more respectable? Opinion is all. That's all.

[78k5]

@CommanderSquidlet Better tell Sitchin this too. he only spent 70 years of his life translating. r-tard!

[78k5]

@CommanderSquidlet Better tell Sitchin this too. he only spent 70 years of his life translating. r-tard! looks like your swingin from Heisers nuts a little too much. Do your own research.

[panicindetroit67]

@bottleslingguy

Not according to professional Semitologists they didn't.

You need to google "Sitching is wrong" and read what you find.

Also you need to appreciate that Jupiter's diameter is 62 times greater than Plutos...there are no objects on Seal243 that have diameters 62 times greater than any others.

[panicindetroit67]

@bottleslingguy

No, the Sumerians only depicted the sun in one manner.

For further detailed discussion pertaining to this exact point go to Dr Michael Heiser's website "Sitchin is wrong" where he establishes that this is the case.

[SuperUFB]

@bottleslingguy

Your 'debunking' would carry some weight if you could give a a single example of the 'sun being depicted in other ways' by the ancient Sumerians. You would need to cite an independant Sumerologist, other than Heiser, to begin to prove your point.

I won't hold my breath though because I already know you won't find one.

[giddygiddy85]

duhhh the sun is a star, i think the sumerians knew that aswell

[panicindetroit67]

@giddygiddy85

What makes you think that the Sumerians realise that?

Do you have any evidence or are you just guessing?

[giddygiddy85]

@panicindetroit67 im not guessing, and i dont think the sumerians were either

[panicindetroit67]

@giddygiddy85

" i dont think the sumerians were either"

What makes you so sure?

[giddygiddy85]

@panicindetroit67 listen i dont think anyting will happen on 21st december and i dont believe nibiru is on the way, but what makes you so sure

[panicindetroit67]

@giddygiddy85

I can't see "Nibiru" in the sky on a clear night.

If it existed, is of planetary size, is moving at an orbital speed and due near Earth in 2012 then it has to be visible right now, quite visible and increasingly so.

It is not therefore it does not exist.

[iamhewho]

@panicindetroit67

if the annunaki where last here 200bc then there not due for another 1400 yrs no one in the know claims its coming in 2012, lloyd pye uses the last ice age to date the return. therfore it could well exist and probably does

[panicindetroit67]

@iamhewho

On what basis do you assert that 'Nibiru' "probably" exists?

Do you have any hard evidence at all?

[iamhewho]

@panicindetroit67 yes have enough evidence to assume, the ice ages and pole shifts, or pluto being where it is or the moon or the earth eg. pangea, the cracked crust, the colliding planet theory or the astroid belt, or commets, the human race. see lloyd pye's 'everything you know is wrong ' video for the sumarian epic of creation, they all add up to make the existance of nibiru at least plausable if not probable

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

Lloyd Pye is selling books...he has a commercial motive for saying what he does, I don't and neither does Dr Heiser.

The evidences you claim, none of them include 'Nibiru's' location. That is the crucial piece of evidence that you need to provide.

It would seem due to the striation of *some* of the asteroids that they did arise from a planet that was, somehow, busted up. I was talking to a professional geologist specifically about this yesterday.

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB in the sumarian epic of creation they say its in an oliptical orbit. which goes inbetween mars an jupiter every 3600 yrs don they? and there is a huge gap inbetwwen mars and jupiter compared to the space inbetween the other planets. is that not a location?

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

On the balance of evidence I'm inclined to think that a planetary collision is actually the most likely explanation but that still doesn't imply the existence of 'Nibiru' and neither do the Sumerian Sagas.

They are available online. You can find them on the Oxford University website and you can search on keywords e.g. 'Neberu' which is the scholarly spelling of the word.

You will discover that Neberu IS a Sumerian Astronomical term for either Jupiter or Mercury.

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB i will look into this for myself but if you think of all the brain boxes who use sitchens work as a basis for there own they must have checked for them selves as they are very intelligent people and if its your lifes work your not going to take one persons word for it without indepth research yourself are you. they will have researched alot more than you.

[iamhewho]

@panicindetroit67 if there is no nibiru or annunaki then where the heck did we come from brcause we know we didnt evolve.

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

The evidence that we have evolved is present in the sequenced Human DNA genome. Evolutionary theory is so well supported that its gone beyond being a 'theory' but is rather a scientific fact.

There are scientific issues with it that are still puzzling e.g. the relatively sudden appearance of vertebrates in the fossill record but the move from Homo Sapiens Sapiens to Homo Sapiens Neanderthal is well understood.

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB no chance did we simply evolve from the so called pr-humans, when you look at the facts its obvious at least the darwin eveloution is complete tosh, no waty are we here through natural selection eveolved from primates. absopuloutly no way, we are totally different in every way, rather than give a long winded answer myself i sugest you whatch lloyd pyes 'everything you know is wrong' with an open mind, you will no doudt come to the same conclusion

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

Listen, you can ignore the bleedingly obvious all you like but don't expect people to go along with you. The Human Genome project's results clearly imply a genetic continuity between Homo Sapiens Sapiens, Homo Sapiens Neanderthals and the other hominids.

You and Lloyd Pye are mistaken.

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB those people focus on the areas they can find a link and ignore the impassible holes in the data, all primates have 48chromosones we have 46 our second and third chromosone has been fused together which can be done in a genetics lab, if you can provide eviudence of this happening ever in nature through eveloution you would still be wrong, the mitachondrial research showed that we are only 200k yrs old as a specieis not millions.

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

Chromosome fusing happens frequently enough for this to be relatively unremarkable...are you aware, for example, that there is a difference between wild horses and domesticted horses in terms of their chromosome number?

Pfffft....

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB domesticated animals dont count as an example unless you agreeing that humans are somewhat of a domesticated animal as i suggested. im getting bored of this now, dnt really care what you believe, i believe what i believe until disproved then i will change my beliefs i was like you a few yrs ago couldnt see passed humans evolving, i was brainwashed by the media and the educational system trying to pass of bipedal apes as our ancestors. and mocking hominids.

over and out

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB what possible natural selection scenario would let the human speceis evolve with over 4ooo genetic defects relative to apes who have very few. what possible natural selection scenario would let us loose so much strength, hace thinner bones, have a chin a neck a forhead, losse nocturnal vision, reverse our hair pattern , change our feet and the way we walk which is actually bad for us as it wares the hip down.

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB when you cut and ape the flesh doesnt gape open and bleed and get infected, humans have a layer of fat under the skin so that we bleed to death or get infected causing us to loose limbs etc, how would natural selection allow that as it is clearly inferior to apes, i could go on but i wont just think about it and look at the evidence, not the mainstream evidence, and remenber its called the theory of evolution because its just a theory no proof at all for macro eveloution, only micro,

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

1. DNA

2. Micro IS Macro.

[iamhewho]

@SuperUFB how is micro macro? and yes DNA thats right.

[SuperUFB]

@iamhewho

You need to ask yourself how could life even begin let alone evolve on a yet to be seen planet that is completely frigid for more than 99% of the time.

[fredwilliams420]

@panicindetroit67 lack of evidence for existence is not evidence of lacking existence... More simply put; just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it's not there! I'd imagine that their are planets in the vastness of space that we'll never see!

[SuperUFB]

@fredwilliams420

On a logical level you are quite right but on a physical one you are not. The claims commonly made about "Nibiru" are that it is a large, at least planetary sized celestial object that is on an orbit around our sun and that it is due near Earth in December 2012. If those claims were true it would be *quite* visible and incontrovertibly so right now...and it simply isn't.

Please feel free to provide me with its celestial location so that I may view it myself.

[fredwilliams420]

@SuperUFB okay, 2012 is from the Mayan calendar and not from the nibiru expectations... The nibiru expectations have it returning in 1400 years... Not next December! This is a common misconception...

[SuperUFB]

@fredwilliams420

Ok...so you're a reader of Sitchin.

You need to read about the linguistic criticisms of Sitchin's work. Google the phrase "Sitchin is wrong" and read what you find.

[SuperUFB]

@fredwilliams420

Ask yourself....how could a lifeform evolve from a primitive single cell environment to become an advanced lifeform on a planet that is frozen 99+% of the time.

[panicindetroit67]

@fredwilliams420

I'm as sure as I need to be that there are planets that humans will never see...but we're not talking about the rest of the universe are we?

We're talking about the solar system that we live in...something as large as "Nibiru" is alleged to be would easily detected once it entered our solar system...

[panicindetroit67]

@AnunnakiNation

Sitchin talks a load of arse.

Consider Seal VA243, Sitchin claimed that it showed the entire solar system to scale...but that claim is errant nonsense. Jupiter has a diameter 62 times the size of Pluto's, there are no two objects on VA 243 that differ by a factor of 62.

Sitchin is a damned liar.

[SuperUFB]

@AnunnakiNation

Countless years?

Mate, you're off to a bad start already...Sitchin died this year at the age of 90. I don't know about you but I can count to 90.

I'm not at all fearful of changing my beliefs...it is one of the virtues of a scientific rational mind that it is prepared to change given sufficient evidence.

'Nibiru's' precise location would be a great start for you...so where is it?

[fredwilliams420]

@SuperUFB Dude, don't believe everything you read... I'm not placing any merit at all in this story, or Sitchin's "life work" I'm just saying that you're facts were skewed... Perhaps it's not I who needs to read anything! I'm not convinced it makes a difference what I believe either! If it comes, it comes, if it doesn't, it doesn't! Either or, our opinions carry no weight my friend!

[SuperUFB]

@fredwilliams420

It is not a matter of opinion though...it is a matter of fact.

I don't believe everything I read...I am quite aware that there are varying stories about what "Nibiru" is, when it will be here etc...you are going along with Sitchin's ideas though...

Here's an intellectual exercise for you...try to find a single professional university based Semitologist, Assyriologist or Sumerologist anywhere in the world that agrees with Sitchin's translations...

[SuperUFB]

@fredwilliams420

"Dude, don't believe everything you read... "

Do you have any evidence at all that I "believe everything I read"?

Obviously I don't believe in "Nibiru" and I've read about that....

Your logical reasoning skills need some sharpening.

[Eternalsummersong]

I've heard about the book called the Kolbrin bible and someone said that it talks about Nibiru or something called the destroyer hitting us.....is this another hoax?

[CommanderSquidlet]

If you Google "Kolbrin Bible Nibiru," you can find a page with the passages that supposedly talk about Nibiru. It doesn't even mention a planet, but rather a dragon which some people say MUST represent Nibiru. Now, the Nibiru story relies on the claim that the Sumerians spoke of or represented Nibiru. Since we know this isn't true, it's safe to conclude that whatever the Kolbrin Bible is talking about, it's NOT Sitchin's Nibiru, unless the KB was written by hoaxers in the late 20th century.

[Eternalsummersong]

@CommanderSquidlet: Thank you. This had my little sister scared to death.

[panicindetroit67]

@Eternalsummersong

The scaring of the young and vulnerable by these chicken little "Nibiru" fuckwits drives me up the wall.

Why do they insist on this crap without any hard evidence?

Jerks.

[Eternalsummersong]

@panicindetroit67: Sad thing is I wouldn't be Surprised when december 21 and 22nd of 2012 comes around and there are a LOT of people who have committed suicide because of this hoax. There is a guy on here talking about raping women and killing them on that date.

[panicindetroit67]

@Eternalsummersong

I've seen similar commentary myself.

I've discounted it...maybe I shouldn't.

In any event, I'm here to ask the questions that "Nibiru" believers have difficulty with, principally, where exactly is "Nibiru"?

[Eternalsummersong]

@panicindetroit67: I've asked them the same question and I have never got a answer without being cussed at.

[iamhewho]

@Eternalsummersong again nobody in the know thinks nibiru is coming in 2012, 2012 is simply the end of the great year the 26000 yr cycle, nothing to do with nibiru. look it up. and 2012 isnt the end of the world either.

[Eternalsummersong]

@iamhewho: Yeah I know I've actually looked stuff up about it. And it looks like people threw Zombies into the mix now..-_-

[panicindetroit67]

@Eternalsummersong

Yes, it is a hoax.

[twelvelookslikex]

hehe

[woodydog123]

it could also be that according to the sumerian creation texts Nibiru considered a star we call it planet. Nibiru was the son of the sun largest of the rest and the dominant star of the celestial family which is consitent with the picture

[Eternalsummersong]

@woodydog123: I found out that Nibiru is a name for Jupiter. This was what NASA said. Lol! I doubt Jupiter is going to hit us.

[SuperUFB]

@woodydog123

That is consistent with it being a name for Jupiter.

[TheWatcherReptilian2]

Nice

[HALOTHEMOVIE117]

you had fals informationd dude

[CommanderSquidlet]

Nope, it's accurate. Go check out Michael Heiser's website, Sitchin Is Wrong and read it for yourself. Keep in mind that unlike Sitchin, Heiser is a trained scholar in ancient Semetic languages, so he actually knows what he's talking about.

Sitchin, on the other hand, pretty much made up his own definitions for certain ancient Sumerian words so that it would appear as though the texts supported his ideas, even though there is no supporting evidence ANYWHERE that his definitions are correct.

[keropiboy]

@CommanderSquidlet if you want, i can make a list of all sumerian words with correct translation, i study sumerian language and have already written a book of sumerian texts translated into italian... heiser knows next to nothing about sumerian language.

[ReneeNme]

@keropiboy #1. Irrefutable evidence that " Sumerians used at least 5 ways to depict the sun ", please ? #2. The symbol accompanying what you propose is Shamash ( how do we know it's Shamash, where is the text ? ) is actually a symbol depicting the seven sisters of the Pleiades. #3. Heiser knows next to nothing about sumerian language ? Heiser is a laureate of several academic acievements, one of which is a PhD in ancient semitic languages. Might I ask what YOUR credentials are ?

[keropiboy]

@ReneeNme 1) another example is on ezida (dot) com (slash) kudurruhaut (dot) htm - 2) shamash seal in the louvre museum shows the god shamash and behind him there is an animal with a 11 points rosette, you didn't even know where to look! 3) heiser is a MA and PhD in ancient hebrew and aramaic, not sumerian nor accadian, as for me, 3 years study of cuneiform and translitterated sumerian and wrote book of sumerian myths translated. Your credentials?

[ReneeNme]

#1. When I asked for undeniable evidence Sumerians used 5 ways to depict the sun, I was requesting reputable scholarly sources ( reading material ) to back what it is that you're postulating, not links to sources that are ambiguous at best. #2. Once again, where is the text that suggests that it's Shamash that's being depicted in the Louvre seal ? It's just not there !!! #3. There has yet to be an expert in cuneiform script to dimiss Heiser as wrong. #4. My creds ? I have a mere MA in geology.

[keropiboy]

@ReneeNme wtf are you? dumb? museum shows are ambiguous? Youtube don't allow to use links, go do your own search instead of making this crap. You just deserve your personal heiser. I gave you the references, use them. As for heiser, he escaped my questions and did the same dumb opposition, saying the louvre museum is wrong and that isnot shamash. Ridiculous. You and him have never opened a book of sumerian art.

[ReneeNme]

@keropiboy The burden of proof lies with the claimant. You " claim " that sumerians used a minimum of 5 symbols to represent the Sun. All I am asking for is irrefutable scholarly evidence ( written ) that what you " claim " is true. And btw, yes, YouTube does allow people to provide links to one another. It has to be done in PM's though ( not allowed in comments sections ). Once again, evidence ?

[keropiboy]

@ReneeNme already gave you the proof, your claims about the burden of proof is typical of people who don't have a clue and base their words on someone else's work. I gave you reference for 3 different depictions. If you are seeking the truth, and not just to debunk what cannot be debunked, go see them and do your own research. You can email the louvre museum and ask how do they know that is shamash's seal. By the way, another depiction is naram sin stelae.

[ReneeNme]

@keropiboy So in essence you're saying is evidence of absence isn't absence of evidence ? More like extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, none of which you've provided, which is the same type of situation Zecharia Sitchin found himself in regarding Michael Heiser's open letter that he never responded to. The " I said it's so, so believe me when I say it " approach doesn't quite get it. I won't bother asking again for a reputable source. It's obviously not going to happen.

[ReneeNme]

... essence ~what~ you're ...

[keropiboy]

@ReneeNme ok you're definately dumb... i don't want you to believe me because i said so, i want you move your fucking ass and go on the louvre museum website, we exida website, and look for the seals. I bet you are scared to face the truth. You posted a video saying sitchin is wrong, you must prove it. I gave you all sources, you are ignoring them. Anyway i don't want to make you change idea, i posted everything for people who read, so they can check how ignorant you and heiser are. Enjoy.

[keropiboy]

@ReneeNme also look on google images for these keywrods "shamash stele susa iran" and you will see the 3rd kind of rapresentation. You may also look for ebabbar pentant shamash and you will see the 4th, with shamash accompained by a 4 pointed star with no rays plus 8 dots

[ThinkMore2012]

I hope you get paid for spreading mis-information

Or at the least, you know that nibiru is real and are preparing.

Otherwise, you have days to prepare.

My Christ is awake and telling me days, so you better be prepared, in days!

[CommanderSquidlet]

Yeeeeeeah... that's pretty much what you guys were saying back when Nibiru was supposed to smack us back in May/June of 2003.

[ThinkMore2012]

user/FloydAnderson

You want lucas at brave new books

It won't let me link the vid

[HALOTHEMOVIE117]

the first one is egyptian and the second is sumerian. YOU TARD

[CommanderSquidlet]

Then why is the first one found on a SUMERIAN tablet? Google "VA 243."

[panicindetroit67]

@CommanderSquidlet

That particular Seal does NOT show the solar system to scale as Sitchin claims.

Jupiter,for example, has a width 62 times greater than Pluto's there is no pair of 'planetary' objects that show this to scale.

[seriously1096]

The first and the second are ONE PEOPLE who just so happened to migrate away from each other...study the mythologies - same crap different names!

[panicindetroit67]

@seriously1096

Of course there are similarities between the mythologies of ancient cultures...particularly ones that were nearby each other....