In terms of customization, Android reigns king. IOS limits you.
With Android you can get whatever phone, with apps such as keyboard replacements, home launcher replacements, camera replacements, multiple live widgets, etc. That's why I like it.
Not saying IOS is bad... it's smooth and gets the job done. But different phones for different people. Many people want a simpler phone that works... others don't.
You guys are all beating a dead horse here. It's pretty obvious that iOS smokes Android is every way possible. Nobody cares about live wallpapers, and adobe flash. It's all about usability, and great apps. All of which Apple succeeds quite well at delivering.
@ChrisXMetal you're stating an opinion as a fact here though. "It's pretty obvious that iOS... in every way possible". If you remain objective about it, iOS is still leading in UI experience and apps, yet there are many features it lacks. Flash looks like it isn't going to go away anytime soon and html5 video has no viable DRM solution at the moment, so it can't be used for services like Netflix. The iPhone is good but a good customer is never a slave to a brand.
@rsherfan Wait...did you say iOS can't be used for Netflix? I beg to differ bro, I have the Netflix app on my iPod Touch and it works great. Good quality video and audio. Did I read ya wrong? My bad if I did. Don't wanna start a flame war....there's enough little bitches on here that can do that for us...lol
@Starbuckfsd HTML5 can't (at the moment) be used for NetFlix because there is no Digital Rights Management layer of protection which is required by many of the providers such as Netflix.
@ChrisXMetal ot to mention stabiliy. My new android phone is laggy and crashes, and I feel like the smoot OS on my ipod touch has spoiled me for other devices.
@ChrisXMetal usability? you mean no bluetooth file transfer, no usb mass storage mode, non-expandable storage, no widgets, no ability to install apps from unknown sources,... yeah, i see what you mean
@iD4v1d Jailbreaking solves all but one of those, and even then, 32gigs is enough memory for a phone. So try again. Plus the quality of apps on the iPhone is greater than that of Android.
@iD4v1d Late response sorry, but Android has cheaper apps because most developers know Android owners won't pay for apps, and that is a known fact. Why spend time and money developing a quality app when most users on the platform won't download it anyway?
@stevejobsays No i think he's talking about wi-fi tethering and navigation out of the box, flash enabled browsers, not needing wi-fi to video chat, etc.
the skyfire browser gives you flash on the ios, also most websites today have been optimized for ios.
as for video chat, you know Iphone has the best implementation of video calling, so don't compare. Also there is Skype video call ios, which is not available on android. As for wifi tethering, yes iphone does not have it, but as Eric Shmidt explains it works just fins for day to day use.
@JakeG895 not many in number maybe but they're really useful and for some people these features are deal breakers. I switched from iOS to Android for the same reasons. At the end of the day its what you want I think. Its what's better for you..
@Datapunkk - The ios keyboard works very well, that's why no thirth party is needed. - Skyfire browser supports flash. - what do you mean by through multitasking? that thing that drains battery life? the main apps like skype , music work well in backgorund. - Itunes sync is good. - Also most of all these can be achived by jailbreaking.
1. The android stock keyboard works extremely well. The reason why there are many other keyboards has to do with android s open sourced nature not because better keyboards are needed. Swype beats all other typing methods for me.
2. Skyfire was available for android 5-6 months before it was released for I phone. I used it all that time when I was on 2.1 and trust me its nothing compared to full flash support. I know exactly what Skyfire is capable of
1.) Lie, its only in Gingerbread (which no android phone has officially received yet) that it works kinda well. everyone knows that.
2.) What's the use of having full flash if you still can't run apps well(hint: they where made with keyboard initiatives) flash on android (and most touch devices) is not as full as on desktop. only for video, which skyfire does well.
@stevejobsays Ok i really dont need to lie lol my nexus one keyboard was awesome. Besides Android in open source! There are a ton of ROMs already available which include certain Gingerbread features, the ones that are easy to borrow from the source code. I have been using the Gingerbread keyboard on my Galaxy S since the 2nd day of Gingerbread release. If you think I'm lieing go to XDA forums.Swype beats all other keyboards anyway. My responses to you are all swyped :D
Gingerbread has not officially been released on any android phone (other than Nexus S), its been more than 1 months, average users don't care about rooting and the rest.
@stevejobsays Again, no offence, but I think you dont understand the idea of open source software. Maybe because the iPhone (dont get me wrong, I still think its a great phone) was always so restriced. To get the Gingerbread Lockscreen, themes, keyboards all you have to do is go to Android Market and download them. No rooting required. 80% of the stuff iPhone achives via jailbreaking is done in Android out of the box simply because Google doesnt care if you take control of your own phone,.
all the idea of closed/open is smoke screen, all that is subjective. Many people don't care about task managers and wall papers, but want their devices to just work. Find something new.
I dont know if you've owned an Android phone for long enough because it seems like you assumed that rooting was required to get certain GB features on older versions of the OS, which is not the case. I used iPhone 3G and 3GS for 2 years so I know most of pros and cons of both operating systems. If , for some reason, you dont believe me pick up any android phone, go to Market, seach GB keyboard and lockscreen. You dont need rooting. Average user can use certain gingerbread software components.
I stream full 90 minute soccer matches on my phone. Battery life on my galaxy is one full day much similar to I Phone4. Battery life is not an issue for me anyway. Id rather have full multitasking. iTunes works well but I can't stand it anymore. I should be able to control my music library. Download from anywhere I want. No program should make decisions for me. jailbreaking is a hacking method. I was taking about the phone out of the box capabilities.
Respond to this video... Jailbreaking will never give you flash or complete multitasking because Apple doesn't make the source code available to developers
Yep, but the device works and the main apps like skype, music that need multitasking handle them very well, why drain battery life? So far as the device works well, that's it.
I have experienced flash on android, its not as on desktop, that because most flash apps where written with a desktop initiative. So far as video is concerned, I Skyfire does the job.
I kind of agree with E.S. on this one. The only reason why i decided to switch to Apple products is because they just work. Their laptops are great, iPhone 3G (when it came out in Canada) was a breath of fresh air after my Nokia N95 (which was complicated, cluttered and worked ass-backwards.
One of the reasons why i'll want until iPad2 is out, so that i can get it :)
eric schmidt saying "a part of the reasons the iPad is so successfull" doesn't mean "erci schmidt admires the iPad". and that's Eric Schmidt, not Eric Schimdt.
Lets just say iOS has a simple UI and runs Apple distributed machine-code, while Android has a stretch of 3rd party bytecode and machine-code apps with a slightly slower UI and more features including but not limited to multitasking and a range of device support.
The iPad only "just works" for a very limited set of features. It also includes a lot of restrictions that really have nothing to do with the "just works" aspect of the product. People love to conflate the necessary and unecessary aspects of the iPad that allow the "just works" thing to happen. The proliferation of those "unecessary" bits are a threat to computing tech in general.
Brings back memories of Bill Gates' comment about how "something that's really new and really captures people's imagination and the Apple Macintosh of all the machines I've seen is the only one that meets that standard" .
The iPad "just works" like the start button on an expensive car.... because keys were so difficult!
Apple is very good at dumbing everything down and making everything prettier. The problem is still going to be between the chair and the keyboard if we are to evolve computing any further. I don't see how making the user end nicer has anything to do with how the applications actually function behind the scenes... Where's the innovation again?
@gutomariani It does indeed "just work" when you know what you're doing. I haven't had a virus issue in ages and updates are pretty much automatic. You'd have to be incredibly stupid to get viruses these days. If you must pirate, do it intelligently and STOP looking at porn you perv.
There's nothing wrong with Windows at all. Proof? I'm still using Vista 64-bit as my main OS. Let's see what problems you accuse me of having so that I can tell you I don't have them.
@gutomariani You've got some very weak arguments. You want to try this again a few years from now when you've either learned proper English or start growing hair on your balls? I'm not some "wannabe hacker", whatever that means. I do indeed work with computers part-time and yes, I am currently in the process of getting a bachelor's degree in computer science, but that doesn't make me anything you have tried to accuse me of. I like what I do, and I don't pretend to be anyone I'm not.
@radicalgarbage02 Since you're in the process of getting a CS degree let me share with you a little of my years of experience in the field. It doesn't matter what language you code or how perfect your data structures are. If the users can't figure how to use your software, you're dead. You are the type of competitor I like, your attitude makes things easy for developers who love it to sell really good software. So, keep up with the your good work and let the grown ups redefine modern computing.
@gutomariani What I'm trying to say is that many people get along just fine with most Windows apps and the features are there should they care to fiddle with it more in-depth. On Apple products, I'm always left wanting more. Furthermore, I doubt you have any experience developing UI. You would have better things to do than argue on YouTube. I don't intend on developing software for mainstream idiots in the future and I refuse to belittle their intelligence with big buttons and limited options.
@gutomariani UI is a very basic part of the design of software. In fact, i'd venture to say that it's like a tenth of a percent of the development process. It doesn't take much to label things with simple names and have explanations at the ready with tooltips should people not understand something. Just give them the options and explain what they don't understand to them right there on the spot when they're using it without having to open a pdf or chm and that's all!
Dude, END consumers don't care much, they want devices that "just work", they don't even want to learn how to use a device. They want them just work, that's it.
Some people love to fiddle with their gadgets I, on the other hand, want to buy them ready to use.
4izm0v 2 months ago
I like how Eric Schmidt isn't shy to talk about rivals.. unlike Bill Gates -.-
mp3talon 4 months ago
Thumbs up if Kermit brought you here
shaytalis 4 months ago
Schmidt admires Jobs.
drrobertoboogie97 1 year ago
@drrobertoboogie97
agreed
angelusp777 1 year ago
GR.R.REAT!
THEJOVIBAND 1 year ago
Android has a VERY good app selection as well.
Infact, 60% of Android apps are free.
In terms of customization, Android reigns king. IOS limits you.
With Android you can get whatever phone, with apps such as keyboard replacements, home launcher replacements, camera replacements, multiple live widgets, etc. That's why I like it.
Not saying IOS is bad... it's smooth and gets the job done. But different phones for different people. Many people want a simpler phone that works... others don't.
patelkedar 1 year ago
this is funny =) Go out and have fun people, or do you still try to convince your neighbours to buy a dog instead of a cat?
MrFidgit 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Out of context quote is out of context.
smichel125 1 year ago
You guys are all beating a dead horse here. It's pretty obvious that iOS smokes Android is every way possible. Nobody cares about live wallpapers, and adobe flash. It's all about usability, and great apps. All of which Apple succeeds quite well at delivering.
ChrisXMetal 1 year ago
@ChrisXMetal you're stating an opinion as a fact here though. "It's pretty obvious that iOS... in every way possible". If you remain objective about it, iOS is still leading in UI experience and apps, yet there are many features it lacks. Flash looks like it isn't going to go away anytime soon and html5 video has no viable DRM solution at the moment, so it can't be used for services like Netflix. The iPhone is good but a good customer is never a slave to a brand.
rsherfan 1 year ago
@rsherfan Agreed about not being a slave to a brand, but I'd rather support the innovators, over the imitators.
ChrisXMetal 1 year ago
@rsherfan Wait...did you say iOS can't be used for Netflix? I beg to differ bro, I have the Netflix app on my iPod Touch and it works great. Good quality video and audio. Did I read ya wrong? My bad if I did. Don't wanna start a flame war....there's enough little bitches on here that can do that for us...lol
Starbuckfsd 1 year ago
@Starbuckfsd HTML5 can't (at the moment) be used for NetFlix because there is no Digital Rights Management layer of protection which is required by many of the providers such as Netflix.
rsherfan 1 year ago
@rsherfan TIs that why I'm watching Netflix on my iPad right now....??
redgiemental 1 year ago 3
@redgiemental
Google this for a detailed explanation of Netflix and HTML5:
"Netflix Embraces HTML5 Video, But Not the Apple Way" - articles from end of 2010.
rsherfan 1 year ago
@rsherfan I can use Netflix just fine that's the important part.
redgiemental 1 year ago
@ChrisXMetal ot to mention stabiliy. My new android phone is laggy and crashes, and I feel like the smoot OS on my ipod touch has spoiled me for other devices.
Davidwilson1212 1 year ago
@ChrisXMetal usability? you mean no bluetooth file transfer, no usb mass storage mode, non-expandable storage, no widgets, no ability to install apps from unknown sources,... yeah, i see what you mean
iD4v1d 1 year ago
@iD4v1d Jailbreaking solves all but one of those, and even then, 32gigs is enough memory for a phone. So try again. Plus the quality of apps on the iPhone is greater than that of Android.
ChrisXMetal 1 year ago
@ChrisXMetal yes iphone has more and better apps but android has cheaper apps and there are more free apps in android market:
android market: 60 % free apps
app store: 20 - 30 % free apps
iD4v1d 1 year ago
@iD4v1d
most android apps are because they are task managers, widgets, wall papers, keys, and have ads.
No one will pay for that.
angelusp777 1 year ago
@iD4v1d yes but all of the apps on the android market is either free shit or cheep shit. :L
the perfect mobile os would be iOS with widgets and better gmail.
JakeG895 1 year ago
@iD4v1d Late response sorry, but Android has cheaper apps because most developers know Android owners won't pay for apps, and that is a known fact. Why spend time and money developing a quality app when most users on the platform won't download it anyway?
ChrisXMetal 10 months ago
eh ios is clean and theats why its successful while android is pertty good in looks but has tons and tons more functionality than ios has and has had
and id rather take functionality over "clean" looks android is just better
cocopuff239 1 year ago
@cocopuff239
"android has a ton more functionalities" you clearly don't know what you are saying, are you talking about task managers and wall papers?
stevejobsays 1 year ago 10
@stevejobsays No i think he's talking about wi-fi tethering and navigation out of the box, flash enabled browsers, not needing wi-fi to video chat, etc.
Halconandino 1 year ago
@Halconandino
the skyfire browser gives you flash on the ios, also most websites today have been optimized for ios.
as for video chat, you know Iphone has the best implementation of video calling, so don't compare. Also there is Skype video call ios, which is not available on android. As for wifi tethering, yes iphone does not have it, but as Eric Shmidt explains it works just fins for day to day use.
angelusp777 1 year ago
@stevejobsays no he's talking about tons of keyboards, flash support, true multitasking, google sync ...etc
Datapunkk 1 year ago
@Datapunkk thats not very many extra features :L
JakeG895 1 year ago
@JakeG895 not many in number maybe but they're really useful and for some people these features are deal breakers. I switched from iOS to Android for the same reasons. At the end of the day its what you want I think. Its what's better for you..
Datapunkk 1 year ago
@Datapunkk
@Datapunkk - The ios keyboard works very well, that's why no thirth party is needed. - Skyfire browser supports flash. - what do you mean by through multitasking? that thing that drains battery life? the main apps like skype , music work well in backgorund. - Itunes sync is good. - Also most of all these can be achived by jailbreaking.
stevejobsays 1 year ago
@stevejobsays
1. The android stock keyboard works extremely well. The reason why there are many other keyboards has to do with android s open sourced nature not because better keyboards are needed. Swype beats all other typing methods for me.
2. Skyfire was available for android 5-6 months before it was released for I phone. I used it all that time when I was on 2.1 and trust me its nothing compared to full flash support. I know exactly what Skyfire is capable of
Datapunkk 1 year ago
@Datapunkk
1.) Lie, its only in Gingerbread (which no android phone has officially received yet) that it works kinda well. everyone knows that.
2.) What's the use of having full flash if you still can't run apps well(hint: they where made with keyboard initiatives) flash on android (and most touch devices) is not as full as on desktop. only for video, which skyfire does well.
stevejobsays 1 year ago
@stevejobsays Ok i really dont need to lie lol my nexus one keyboard was awesome. Besides Android in open source! There are a ton of ROMs already available which include certain Gingerbread features, the ones that are easy to borrow from the source code. I have been using the Gingerbread keyboard on my Galaxy S since the 2nd day of Gingerbread release. If you think I'm lieing go to XDA forums.Swype beats all other keyboards anyway. My responses to you are all swyped :D
Datapunkk 1 year ago
@Datapunkk
Gingerbread has not officially been released on any android phone (other than Nexus S), its been more than 1 months, average users don't care about rooting and the rest.
stevejobsays 1 year ago
@stevejobsays Again, no offence, but I think you dont understand the idea of open source software. Maybe because the iPhone (dont get me wrong, I still think its a great phone) was always so restriced. To get the Gingerbread Lockscreen, themes, keyboards all you have to do is go to Android Market and download them. No rooting required. 80% of the stuff iPhone achives via jailbreaking is done in Android out of the box simply because Google doesnt care if you take control of your own phone,.
Datapunkk 1 year ago
@Datapunkk
all the idea of closed/open is smoke screen, all that is subjective. Many people don't care about task managers and wall papers, but want their devices to just work. Find something new.
stevejobsays 1 year ago
@Datapunkk 80%? really? you don't even have android 2.3 on your device, what are you talking about?
stevejobsays 1 year ago
I dont know if you've owned an Android phone for long enough because it seems like you assumed that rooting was required to get certain GB features on older versions of the OS, which is not the case. I used iPhone 3G and 3GS for 2 years so I know most of pros and cons of both operating systems. If , for some reason, you dont believe me pick up any android phone, go to Market, seach GB keyboard and lockscreen. You dont need rooting. Average user can use certain gingerbread software components.
Datapunkk 1 year ago
I stream full 90 minute soccer matches on my phone. Battery life on my galaxy is one full day much similar to I Phone4. Battery life is not an issue for me anyway. Id rather have full multitasking. iTunes works well but I can't stand it anymore. I should be able to control my music library. Download from anywhere I want. No program should make decisions for me. jailbreaking is a hacking method. I was taking about the phone out of the box capabilities.
Datapunkk 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Jailbreaking will never give you flash or complete multitasking because Apple doesn't make the source code available to developers
Datapunkk 1 year ago
@Datapunkk
Yep, but the device works and the main apps like skype, music that need multitasking handle them very well, why drain battery life? So far as the device works well, that's it.
I have experienced flash on android, its not as on desktop, that because most flash apps where written with a desktop initiative. So far as video is concerned, I Skyfire does the job.
stevejobsays 1 year ago
I kind of agree with E.S. on this one. The only reason why i decided to switch to Apple products is because they just work. Their laptops are great, iPhone 3G (when it came out in Canada) was a breath of fresh air after my Nokia N95 (which was complicated, cluttered and worked ass-backwards.
One of the reasons why i'll want until iPad2 is out, so that i can get it :)
bathellfire 1 year ago
eric schmidt saying "a part of the reasons the iPad is so successfull" doesn't mean "erci schmidt admires the iPad". and that's Eric Schmidt, not Eric Schimdt.
raphaelsharp 1 year ago
Lots of arguing.
Lets just say iOS has a simple UI and runs Apple distributed machine-code, while Android has a stretch of 3rd party bytecode and machine-code apps with a slightly slower UI and more features including but not limited to multitasking and a range of device support.
TheWater911 1 year ago
The iPad only "just works" for a very limited set of features. It also includes a lot of restrictions that really have nothing to do with the "just works" aspect of the product. People love to conflate the necessary and unecessary aspects of the iPad that allow the "just works" thing to happen. The proliferation of those "unecessary" bits are a threat to computing tech in general.
khulse70 1 year ago
@khulse70 "...are a threat to computing tech in general." You're joking. Right?
Souplos 1 year ago
@khulse70 you seem a little disturbed
angelusp777 1 year ago
@khulse70 Get out from your mother's basement please...
edouble32 1 year ago
@khulse70 "...threat to computing tech..." Tech support you mean? If so, you really should get a new job.
gutomariani 1 year ago
Brings back memories of Bill Gates' comment about how "something that's really new and really captures people's imagination and the Apple Macintosh of all the machines I've seen is the only one that meets that standard" .
prrbill1 1 year ago
The iPad "just works" like the start button on an expensive car.... because keys were so difficult!
Apple is very good at dumbing everything down and making everything prettier. The problem is still going to be between the chair and the keyboard if we are to evolve computing any further. I don't see how making the user end nicer has anything to do with how the applications actually function behind the scenes... Where's the innovation again?
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02 I see, you're not a real software developer. Just another linux kernel reader. Nothing to see here, move along...
gutomariani 1 year ago
@gutomariani I could care less about Linux. Try again troll
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02
Don't encourage him to "try again"! Didn't you pass trollology class? XD
Neotyguy40 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02 yeah right, like Windows just works. there isn't some AV update to install on your clients, goblin?
gutomariani 1 year ago
@gutomariani It does indeed "just work" when you know what you're doing. I haven't had a virus issue in ages and updates are pretty much automatic. You'd have to be incredibly stupid to get viruses these days. If you must pirate, do it intelligently and STOP looking at porn you perv.
There's nothing wrong with Windows at all. Proof? I'm still using Vista 64-bit as my main OS. Let's see what problems you accuse me of having so that I can tell you I don't have them.
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02 that's why you don't get the "just works", you're just another hacker wannabe, such a waste of atoms...
gutomariani 1 year ago
@gutomariani You've got some very weak arguments. You want to try this again a few years from now when you've either learned proper English or start growing hair on your balls? I'm not some "wannabe hacker", whatever that means. I do indeed work with computers part-time and yes, I am currently in the process of getting a bachelor's degree in computer science, but that doesn't make me anything you have tried to accuse me of. I like what I do, and I don't pretend to be anyone I'm not.
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02 Since you're in the process of getting a CS degree let me share with you a little of my years of experience in the field. It doesn't matter what language you code or how perfect your data structures are. If the users can't figure how to use your software, you're dead. You are the type of competitor I like, your attitude makes things easy for developers who love it to sell really good software. So, keep up with the your good work and let the grown ups redefine modern computing.
gutomariani 1 year ago
@gutomariani What I'm trying to say is that many people get along just fine with most Windows apps and the features are there should they care to fiddle with it more in-depth. On Apple products, I'm always left wanting more. Furthermore, I doubt you have any experience developing UI. You would have better things to do than argue on YouTube. I don't intend on developing software for mainstream idiots in the future and I refuse to belittle their intelligence with big buttons and limited options.
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@gutomariani UI is a very basic part of the design of software. In fact, i'd venture to say that it's like a tenth of a percent of the development process. It doesn't take much to label things with simple names and have explanations at the ready with tooltips should people not understand something. Just give them the options and explain what they don't understand to them right there on the spot when they're using it without having to open a pdf or chm and that's all!
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02
Dude, END consumers don't care much, they want devices that "just work", they don't even want to learn how to use a device. They want them just work, that's it.
angelusp777 1 year ago
@angelusp777 Hey have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I think I saw you as one of the extras.
radicalgarbage02 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02
I am not surprised your user name is "radicalgarbage"
angelusp777 1 year ago
@radicalgarbage02 whatever, punk.
gutomariani 1 year ago
Well said, but the fact that the iPad 'just works' isn't enough for some people, but it's enough for most. That's why it's so successful.
raydar670 1 year ago
Zing...
AbiKD 1 year ago