Richard Dawkins - NZTV's Close Up 1/2

[johnnyM809]

Such sneering cynical arrogance from dawkins once again...he homes in on certain aspects of what he considers to be what religious belief is all about and dismisses it out of hand. Millions of people have given their lives over the centuries for God, were they all nutters ? Charles Darwin was a billiant man, but no more than a man nonetheless. He was unable to determine how life started only how it evolved over millions of years and even that remains questionable.

[Frenious]

@johnnyM809

They were all either primitive men, nutters or ignorant, yes.

[olden89c]

@johnnyM809 There is nothing questionable about the Theory of Evolution. It is supported by facts and not a hypothesis.

This month scientists demonstrated actual evolution in a lab! The process takes 60 days.

Citation: “Experimental evolution of multicellularity.” By William C. Ratcliff, R. Ford Denison, Mark Borrello, and Michael Travisano. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Jan. 17, 2012.

[forsakendemo]

without ingredients how can even God work, without the genetic "materials" and molecules how can you create human. Change is directed in meaningful manner. Maybe there is no God, but still its belief cannot be truly be called unjustified just because there is science.

[m1ll10n1977]

get a haircut dicky ;-)



[WolfySnackrib666]

@m1ll10n1977 Get a girlfriend, millie.

[leer5858]

There was a time a hated Dawkins. That was when I was young and still believed in imaginary friends. I'm so glad I've opened my mind as I've grown up. Now I think Dawkins is amazing! To appreciate him, I think you need to evolve as a person, unless you were just cool enough to never believe in BS :)

[ernin0000]

@leer5858

lolol "Yeah, um, I believed in atheism before it was cool"

[Starwolf799]

of cores Atheist don't know? are they meant to know? I want Richard Dawkins to experience death and see what its like? even though more followers goes to hell but I wonder Richard Dawkins will reach the final hell stage?

[KingObould]

@Starwolf799 Brainwashed idiot.

[Sonyoooo3]

Faith is like the air/wind you cannot see it or smell it etc. but with a different moist germ etc. it can transform a new life and then it is faith?

[bagatelox]

We have only two options: Or Universe is eternal, or universe came for something or someone eternal. This someone eternal are beyond from our reality, so is absolute logical that we cannot understand his reality. OMG, how stupid is Richard Dawkins. And he think about himself is very intelligent.

[forgottenmemories63]

@bagatelox String Theorists have Proposed that our Universe emerged from a Collision of Other Universes. Our Universe is like an expanding Water Bubble that Popped into existence when few other Universes Collided with each other, giving rise to the "Big Bang". This Explanation scraps the necessity of a "God".

No God is required to explain the Creation of our Universe. Did you hear me or are you still in Denial to accept the Scientifically Theorized Facts ?

[bagatelox]

@forgottenmemories63 I've heard, but sorry, I can not believe that an intelligent human being was able to say what you said. Ok, our universe emerged from the explosion of other universes. All possibilities are supported by this pathetic gang of pseudo-scientists, but the only possible explanation is not accepted. Why this denial to accept or contemplate that possibility? What's so terrible to think about this possibility? How do not realize that our life in this world is a game?

[forgottenmemories63]

@bagatelox Science has never denied the possibility of a God responsible for Creation of Universe, It's just that it can say "Possibly Not". Our Universe is so vast no one can answer this question anytime soon, Till then you are left with the choice of Believing in God with the Absence of Evidence or Believing only with the Presence of Evidence.

Saying "God did it" is like using Cheats to win a game by avoiding to play the Real Game. Pick your Game, Easy or Hard Mode. I prefer the Hard Mode.

[bagatelox]

@forgottenmemories63 God does not depend on our ability to see him to exist. So this test is which we all face. Everything seems a game, or a immense test, where God desires to show us or teach things which would otherwise be very difficult to teach. Surely God exists and he cares about humanity, but is away for a moment of humanity in order that we should form our reality without the overwhelming evidence of their presence.

[badtrunk456]

@bagatelox Surely god exists? Which one? in which way? where?

White noise.....nothing but white noise...

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 Francis Collins, The language of God- try that white noise. Have a listen to his debates with Dawkins as well, and how his logic forces Dawkins to, in the end, admit the possibility of God's existence. 

[badtrunk456]

@Sextonius Dawkins, never claimed that there was an absolute non-possibility of god.. Nor do any other thinking atheists I know..For like the 800,000,000,000th time, the atheist position is a single response to a single claim...It is the non-acceptance of the assertion that there is a god, due to the lack of a single shred of evidence in favor of said assertion.. I love how theists think this is some kind of "winning" admission..More white noise, from the burden of proof laden corner...)v(

[badtrunk456]

@Sextonius Richard Dawkins, nor myself for that matter, would claim absolute knowledge that there aren't unicorns either..The reality that Collins' god never manifests in reality to my knowledge, puts said deity in the same category as said mythical animal...The act that said deity conveniently only ever spoke to first century illiterate, ignorant desert folk makes the whole thing a bit silly, and that's being very polite..

Francis Collins indeed....

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 Ahh the good old unicorn analogy. Yet another arrogant, dismissive approach from the atheist perspective, or Dawkins that is.  Mmm, Collins God, the God of the Bible, most certainly has and continues to occasionally manifest himself in reality. I appreciate that assumedly you have done a fair bit of research. But clearly not in that of Collins, and you are in fact doing yourself a great disservice by not doing so, and inevitably, as your belief systems would afford,..

[badtrunk456]

@Sextonius There is no dismissive arrogance involved in using analogy to make a point. Francis Collins credits seeing a triune frozen waterfall as his "moment of realization", when he accepted Christ as his savior..Really? You can't possibly tell me this is cogent evidence..As for "most certainly has manifested himself in reality" When and where..? I don't have to make cogent arguments against god.Again, I'm not making any claims...I'm just saying you have no evidence for yours...

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 come to this highly unreasonable assertion that there is no God. As Collins suggest, if you refuse to acknowledge their appropriateness, you end up with a zero probability of God after examining the natural world because it doesn't convince you on a proof basis. But if your mind is open about whether God might exist, you can point to aspects of the universe that are consistent with that conclusion.

A large point here is that there is no real victory for either side buddy.

[badtrunk456]

@Sextonius Science does not work by picking a conclusion, and then trying to crowbar facts into the framework to make it appear true...My mind is open to anything there is evidence for...There is not a single bit of evidence for god..As for "no victory for either side", a larger point is that theists don't understand that they already lost. Buddy. Name a single thing through history, that we used to have a scientific answer for, that we now have a better religious explanation..

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 But if you really want to use reason, and after you have considered cogent arguments against a supernatural intelligent designer, consider what is completely and entirely outside of the capabilities of science and "facts" to explain. As your Dawkins asserts, "God does seem to be a worthy idea. Refutable--but nevertheless grand and big enough to be worthy of respect..."

[badtrunk456]

@Sextonius Yes, "refutable", would be the key word..and in my opinion, not worthy of any respect at all..

I have watched the debates, Francis Collins is as worthless on these arguments as the rest of you..

He will readily admit that there is no evidence..All of the apologists arguments have been proven logically false.

Once again, where has Yahweh manifested for sure? You said it, where's the cookies?

The god of the bible is about as likely to exist as harry Potter..

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 well sounds like you have all the answers big guy. Undoubtedly Collins insists on, after analyzing all the facts, one must nonetheless take a leap for faith. Oh yeah, the same is for atheism. Theres no win loss here genius. Attempting to prove or disprove the existence of God with science or facts is pointless, there is no doubt about that. Nonetheless, God is in genetics, amoungst many other aspects of the natural world.

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 You refuse to admit that for lack of what you call 'proof', so this conversation is over. Faith to your Dawkins is worthy of respect but not to you. Probably (and I am projecting here) because you are most likely a considerably arrogant, disrespectful individual about things you most likely have not even investigated, without a hint of 'scientist' within you.

Proven logically false? Not the case at all. I think even Dawkins would debate that horrific bending of the truth.

[Sextonius]

@badtrunk456 With the facts and proof you seek, there would still be no possibility of answering questions such as"Why am I here? What happens when we die? What is the meaning of life? " and other "whys", you know, the most important questions we humans could possibly ask and investigate.

Good luck with things though, I hope you open up from your dogmatic, narrow views of the creation and the meaning of life.

[baronsengir187]

@Sextonius The first question is easy to answer the other two are just stupid question and not important at all.

[bagatelox]

@forgottenmemories63 Now I understand you. Maybe I have confused your thinking with the thinking of many atheists in general. I think you do not understand my thinking about this life is a game, but okay. Seems to that we agree which the enigmas of our existence is very complex. But look: if our existence comes from something beyond our science ... our reality ... is foolish to use science as a mechanism to assess whether there is something beyond our reality. This seems logical ... or not?

[badtrunk456]

@bagatelox not...logical, that is...