JUST IN CASE ANYONE OF YOU TRULY HAS DOUBT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON 09-11-2001.
The first thing to do is your own research if you are able. For instance I see an awful lot of back and forth on the subject of free fall. No the term free fall simply means when the top portion of the building began to fall it had nothing underneath resisting it's collapse, proven in the amount of time it fell. Meaning it could have only fell from the bottom first. Which totally disproves what we saw happening.
And more importantly the majority of families of victims and 1st responders don't believe the official story and that's why the 911 truth movement was started.
NICE MOVIE MAN ITS TIME PEOPLE STOOD UP AND TAKE NOTE of what's going on with the world nice discloser AND TAKE NOTE thanks to youtube FOR THIS CONTENT BROADCAST you won't find it in YOU r media outlets ??? WHY NOT ??????????????????????????????
it can seem that way sometimes because our lives are so limited to the few that we live with and school with and work with. most of the people we associate with-like friends and co-worker friends are similar to us and think the same way as we do. so when you talk to people u know about it, it seems that everyone believes it. but nobody asks everybody they know about 911 truth. the accurate proportion is that most americans definately DONT believe 911 "truth". its only an illusion to you.
Believing that there were bombs in these buildings is just a phase that some people have to go through. Its like puberty, eventually you will come out the other side and see more clearly. Not everyone recovers from 9/11 CT syndrome, but most should return to normal thought patterns within 2 years at the most. to date there are no FDA Approved prescriptions available on the market to be written for this mental illness, but most sufferers should grow out of it in time. 4 planes crashed, no bombs
The film is too one sided and carefuly crafted by the way. And what is with all that music? it could only mean one thing emotional manipulation. I don't know how a victims family can handle this kind of material.
ask seth mcfarlane(family guy) he was suppose to be on the flight that landed...(93 or 11 i think) but his publisest(spelled wrong sorry) made him late for the flight .hes fucked up by it...but the wtc #7 yes was brought down by explosives...its sorta strange. i was suppose to work at Suncoast in the wtc mall. my first day was suppose to be sept. 14th. but i would of been there 9/11 training. R.I.P. all that we'ved lost!
Im AUSTRALIAN & i LOVE AMERICA. Did you know that our PRI MINISTER at the time... John Howard (A.K.A John Coward) was CONVENIENTLY invited 1 day before 911 & CONVENIENTLY placed at a hotel just ONE block away from the towers that day therefore he saw everything..... Hmmmf! Kind of strange since that was the first time he was invited to come to USA.
7 days after the attack he announced without question that Aussie troops will join forces with USA in the fight against terrorism...
That video has allready been answered to, and it is NOT WTC 7 behind them, some idiot put out the rumor that it was, for a person that know New York inside and out, they know.
omg do u only belive what your told.go look at the f ing videos man it the same building. there are even videos off the collapse from the same angle as in the reporter video ffs
I find it an incredible coincidence that not 1 or 2 but 3 buildings can come down much the same way in a relatively straight line much like what happens during a controlled demolition. I'm not stupid.
during controlled demolitions, explosives are SET weeks ahead of time, and there are EXPLOSIONS HEARD and bright flashes of light up and down the entire building. ANY building collapse for ANY reason is going to appear as a controlled demolition because thats the only building collapse we've ever seen or know of. Thats why people think controlled demo, because we're so unfamiliar with any other collapse, though they obviously occur.
fireproofed beams in highrise buildings Will keep standing in a 1500c fire for atleast way more time then wtc did even with the fireproffing blown off. look it up in any building guidelines ask any1 that works in construktion.ppl who where there reported explotions all over the building.THEY WHERE THERE!. and there are explosives that have no flashes and low sound.there where drills and maitanance going on all over wtc.(well documented) thats how they planted em !
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
How many times has Loose Change been edited for errors and re-released?
If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not by fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 15 minutes after impact?
Since demolition experts estimated it would take over 100 men 4-6 months to place explosives in WTC 1, 2, & 7, how come no one witnessed any strange activity or strange boxes?
1. First they were a bit sloppy, but now later they got their act toghether. This final version is very good in my opinion.
2. How do you know it buckled under heat and stress loads? Such buckling might very well be because of thermite or such. Please also reference to a video for that event.
3. People witnessed noise in the building. There were power downs and evacuations prior to 911. People usually don't work at night, so there might be an opportunity as well. Access to the core structure would be easy if you would be able to access the elevator shafts, which by coincidence were being renovated in the summer of 2001.
The major problem about this question is that neither FEMA, NIST nor the 911 Commission seemed to be interested in asking these questions (did anyone hear or see anything strange?, etc). These omissions are just a few of the reasons why there is need for a new, truly independant investigation to ALL leads. Including witness testimonies from firegihters, NORAD personel, FAA, etc. With subpenoa power, I should add.
Sorry, the renovation of the elevators took place before the summer of 2001. Elevator World (a magazine) march edition says the project was in 2000, but there is no precize date.
WTF is wrong with you ppl somone is trying to show proof of 911 and all you guys can do is fight amongst your selfs. Gosh no wonder is so dam easy for our government to contorl us we can't even hlep each other how our we going to change the world we need to put our diffrence s aside and come together or were all dead!
It is amazing to believe that the US government has anything to do with the terrorist attack. How the hell can a government keep this a secret, when they can't keep a blowjob in the white house a secret.
It's not the first and not the last time in history, that is so true. But an attack of this proportion can be kept a secret for so long, if it was the US-gov who was behind it. And the research, I gladly let you do it, because it's nothing there to be found.
I dont believe that 9/11 was inside job. the 'evidence' in this clip looks frabricated. i mean, why would the US government destroy the center of global business and trade and their military infrastructure? arent those two one of the most crucial resources in the US?
because they want the power to call who ever dont agre with the system being pulled down over there head.a terrorist an extremist and put them away without any rights (and thats what they have now) and they could not have done it without 9/11.. u cant tell me that the evidence in loose change isent there or dosent it count cause ?? plz explain
Anyone that watches this and believes those in our government and our military wouldn't try anything so heartless and evil only have to research "Operation Northwoods" to realize just how evil this group of people have become. But it is not just them. They are actually way down on the totem pole. The real controllers are the bankers that run the show from overseas.
I'm more afraiad of bush and obama than i am of osama. John ashcroft was asked by congress to define a "terrorist". his response " anyone looking to bring an end to the US gov". I guess any american who attended the G20 summit in sept. could be considered a terrrorist for setting up a one world gov in favor of our countries sovereignty. Good people still come forward, Terry Yeakey, Barry Jennings, freedom loving people who gave thier lives for this countries ideals, tring to do the right thing.
what does that mean you are terrorist since you said they wanna take away your freedom with the anti terrorist laws!! If you think closly the goverment is probobly only cautious since the attak of there own home country... it was a awful thing that happend and you drag it up just because you are a bit paranoid... think about thet familys instead of claiming that the goverment is against humans..
Do you think Busch would have sacrifaced 3000 innocent lifes to have a reason to star t a war against Afganistan? no dont think so he was not a great president but not an evil devil either but Usama was (were)
u cant even spell him name and he was not a great president...he was one of the worst presidents in history....and yes he would to seize all the oil and increase the American imperialism
Bush wanted a war in Iraq. He needed SOMETHING to get the ball rolling. 9/11 and the War in Afghanistan were only to build pipelines but they got the people angry enough and scared enough to agree to go into Iraq despite the wrong intelligence information.
this can me an inside job.. its easy for the gov to prove it. just give out all infomation everything solved. if they dont its more likely their responsible^^
I find it interesting that when Rice said that no one could predict it, I remember that in the pilot episode of Lone Gunmen, it was basically the same happening. A highjaked plane to go into the wtc
My question is...where do they think the plane that crashed into the Pentagon went if it didn't crash into the Pentagon? It just disappeard into thin air??? Come-on...people on the flight were calling their families telling what was going on! Was it an inside job? I don't know...I don't think so, but even if it was....how can they say Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon?? Where the hell did it go then? That's my only point~!
It's NOT an inside job.. It seems that as soon as a big tragedy happens there always surface conspiracy theories. Do you think that Elvis lives as well? Please use your heads. A nation cannot sacrifice that enormous amount of citizens and risk that many diplomatic incidents considering the foreigners working in World trade center. Too many collateral damages. This clip does nothing good by undermining the already weak democracy by creating adverse feelings towards the government.
Finally someone agrees that the government is responsible! I was saying this for years. Great video, lots of evidence, facts, and ownage on those who blame terrorists. Give em' a break, it ain't easy being a terrorist.
This makes others think that maby you have something to do with the 9/11!! maby you just wanna creat panic and caos and selfhatred against you own country... im not from the states and i never will be... but you hafe to think a little bit realistic... would you crash a plane in to your familys house? no!! then why would america wanna destroy itself?
America doesnt want to destroy itself the government want to make the public accept the new anti terrorist laws that take away your freedoms. Its happening in the uk too.
Elzdor , watch the video. make the time. beyond a reasonable doubt they prove 9-11 was an inside job. this video, 'final cut' is the best version yet.
can some one just tell me whats important in this video , i am not ganna spend one hour of my time here , thanks ( i am interested to know , just cant watch it all D: )
Why not look at the facts before coming up with any kind of judgement? Stop being naive to the point of total idiocy and just evaluate what you see, put your emotions aside and THINK for maybe once in your life...
This video is the biggest spreader of disinformation in the troofer movement. These guys are not interested in the truth, the families of those that died or indeed those folk who died, they are selfish and dispicable men with not one ounce of truth in their spineless bodies!
Ok lets say the government did this and they admit it. Now what? Move out of the country? We're fuct either way, so might as well keep that shit covered.
I love the amount of respect you "truthers" have for the poeple that died that day. you all just hide behind your lies that. if that makes you feel better good for you, but don't protest at a memorial. you ask great questions, but you provide lies as your answers. anything sounds good if you put it to dramatic music. you guys are great at spreading false propaganda. I think you are hippocrates. you too pick and choose the info that you want to include. its just something to think about
Exactly. Let's not forget the money they make and the lies they spread! Also remember the money they promised to donate to the families of loved ones never materialised!
Freaking liars. They make me sick to the stomach making money exploiting the memory of those who died!
What the fuck are you talking about? They're asking for another investigation into an investigation that produced no convictions. There is video evidence that makes curious information present to the public. When I went to ground zero, I was given FREE pamphlets and FREE dvd's.
One FACT that was covered up with regards to Isreals involovement was a story on Fox News by one of their journalists, Carl Cameron which highlighted the FBI arrest of 5 Mossad agents who were seen dressed in Arab clothing and dancing around while the attacks were occurring on 911..The story was pulled after pressure from Jewish groups in america..where is that story? Why cant we see that story? That would tie in very well with what was going on at that time..
Nothing would surprise me about the morally bankrupt G.W.Bush administration. Bush should have been executed.
This is undoubtedly the worst cover up of a horrific event orchestrated by the U.S. government. Why are American citizens so easily brainwashed into believing government propoganda?
They ought to be demanding the truth.
It is terrifying that the Whitehouse and the FBI were prepared to sacrifice thousands of American lives to manipulate public opinion for their sinister intentions.
No one has brought up the fact that what may actually be the problem is something else. Maybe the terrorist plot was so well organized that the government is embarresed that they let it get past them. So they are hiding the evidence that makes them look as useless as they were in protecting the public. And at the same time gave them the perfect excuse to implement Big Brother. That is the scariest part of this. Our right to privacy and freedom to a large extent is gone, and we handed it over.
Both sides are so busy trying to convince the other side by repeating the same things over and over again. Use your minds and realize that both sides have some real answers. How can you find the real answer when you start looking for it with tunnel vision already in place.
There are some serious questions that need to have an answer, but that doesnt mean the whole government/military is in on it.
It amazes me that alot of you keep quoting things you heard in this video over and over again as if its the gospel truth, and the "facts" as they really happened. Your using hearsay to back up your arguments. There fore your argument is flawed from the start. I'm not on either side. I believe that there are some serious questions that need to be answered but I don't believe its a huge government conspiracy either. And you Truthers out there get your own facts dont just repeat what you hear.
It would make your arguments more believable and credible. Also it would take hundreds if not thousands of people to pull this off if it was a conspiracy. And no matter what someone (even if only 1) out of all of those people would have spoke up by now.
Look at all these douchebags that think that 9/11 was an inside job.
I hope you run into a family of a 9/11 victim.
Go check out Penn & Teller's take on this whole 9/11 shit. It might be entertainment and they might be magicians, but damn do they bring up some good points.
nice source check out 9/11 truth rising. the families of the victims are truthers and know 9/11 was an inside job. Penn and teller are you fuckin kidding me?
lol..why don't YOU ask P&T,(idiot and mute), that when the kink forms in 7, what happened to EVERY perimeter vertical support that the facade is attached to, at the SAME time, to give the EVEN decent of the ENTIRE building that WE ALL SEE...at a rate equivalent with the acceleration of gravity...as fast as an object can fall through the AIR
from spot fire
have them explain how 'COLD' steel shows the SAME characteristics as 'HOT' steel involved in fire
If you take a steel airplane, turn up the thrusters on them and then take a very tall and very stable steel building, guess who is going to win?
The airplane crashed into the building and then having the back collapse into itself you'd have enough space for the top to topple over, and it does. Then the thing goes down and collects mass like a snowball.
lol....then they should have 'STARTED' with 'total global collapse' of the ENTIRE structure falling as fast as an object can fall on earth through the air.
NOTHING could have NATURALLY fallen faster, and WE SEE, NO part of the building fell SLOWER
WHERE IS THE FIRE..NIST couldn't find ANY...so the DREW illustrations to PUSH their HYPOTHESIS.
Where are you listening that you never hear anything of them?
Pieces of their bodies were found in the debris field from the initial impacts, photographed (available online) identified by DNA, and returned to their families. Their families have mourned in public. There is even a recorded conversation between a flight attendant on AA flight 11 and their office describing what's happening. There are passenger lists and security photos of those passengers. How do you never hear anything of them?
I only get 500 words. I have already provided a lot of information and sources for the evidence. If you accuse our govt. of a conspiracy, it''s up to you to prove your case. you haven't.
But if you're genuinely interested in finding truth about whether those boys that made Loose Change lied to us, you can easily visit the url I provided. Every point they made in Loose Change is addressed, point by point, over 5 long web pages, with photos and links to all the evidence.
You dont need to type anything in one box but you can devide it in the other boxes as well. Your information are important for the readers here! Thats why I am asking you to be precise with your knowledge; till now: you couldnt convince me yet.
I think its prove enough that there was no army around when America got attacked.
But now I am going to check-out your'site.
And I think you dont need to prove anything further more becaus eit would just repeat what I can find on this debunking-site.
I am sure of that OBL plays his role in this'game but its not just the combination of him together with AlQaida, Taleban, Islam and so on. It is supported by neaerly every government in this'world through their lobbyists.
They are all interested to earn big money with this dirty'game.
Thus it is not just an american problem; it effects us all and we must be aware of such guys.
As of now: they have got their part, especially in Iraq (the oil'seem to be secured) but not yet in Afghanistan.
Yes they are! AlJazeera isnt really from Doha/Qatar. It looks to me like british influenced by BBC or even Murdock from Australia. And they all belong to the supporting mass-media.
Yes you are right. It have been truly terrorists but we need to understand that terror can be made by everyone and not only muslims. And you just need to ask yourself: where are the people living with that evil mind to do such things? When you have ever visited islamic countries and when you had compared them with your western people then you might realize that our society produces the most of the negative intelligence and they are highly capable to do such operations combined with the military.
No in this case you are wrong. It will be requested by the Control-Center and within 10 minutes the fighters are in the air and accompanying the hijacked planes, forcing them to land at'safe place; if not-shut down!
Why would they be just responding to foreign jets? They have to protect the US air-space against everything!
In'fact: it is reported by NORAD that they had set training-missions'that day on exactly the same incident: an air'plane would crash into the WTC
thus they didnt really know, what was going on there when it really'happened and'couldnt respond. Others have been on'another excercice in Alaska. And there have been some jetfighters in the air but with such a low speed that they hardly could fly.
But probably in the end they'got their part over Pennsylvania when they might have shot down the fourth'
You're wrong. I live 15 minutes away from Otis ANG Base, where the F-15s were scrambled on 9/11.
They broke the sound barrier over where I was, and that was the very first moment I knew something had happend that day. And that happened before the 2nd plane hit the other tower. So please don't get into the whole NORAD "stand down" thing because those F-15s were going like a bastard towards NYC.
I can't explain why the F-15s didn't make it there in time other than saying our nation's air defense system was caught sleeping on 9/11, and you know they were. And I have no idea who told who to do what, but they sure as hell did scramble.
All I know is what I saw myself on 9/11. Before they transfered the F-15s off base about a year ago, I'd see them all the time, I knew what was normal.
For them to pass over head the way they did that day, you just knew their was a problem.
Yes you are right: the national air-defense system was totally sleeping on that day and this'was'for a reason. But who has ordered'to do'so? Why they might have been so confused by all kind of'information?
We would need to follow the order-chart'to find out, who was responsible'at this'time.
And for what reason they'have transferred the'fighter-jets a year ago?
Thus they have been acting in your area but not where they should have been.
Someone must have given that strange orders for sure!
No nation has ever had a policy to shoot down planes when they're hijacked. First plane hit the tower before anyone knew it was hijacked. ATC had just lost contact with it. And it wasn't logical at the time to assume there were several hijacked planes b/c no one had ever simultaneously hijacked more than 1. Only after 2nd plane hit.
The way I understand things, the scrambled fighters (thought they were F16s?) just flew north and east to look for "hostile aircraft" and report "type and tail."
In this case there was a reason to do it so in'order to save other lives on the ground and they did'at the last'plane.
The hijacked planes need to be brought down on the ground under all circumstances and they'know'how to do. But no jet-fighter was even near of one of the three'planes.
As soon as ATC looses contact to a plane they would order NORAD to check it out. This'was practice all over the time, except'that day.
On that'day every nation could have intervented the USA because'no defense.
I'm sorry, but this has never been policy, not on 9/11, not ever. When ATC loses radar contact they ask other aircraft if they have visual or radio contact. They try to re-establish radio contact. They check other frequencies. They contact the flight's dispatcher to see if they can reach them via ACARS (a text-based communications system). If none of this works they contact ground personnel in the area where it was last seen. They don't go right to NORAD when they lose radar contact.
Yes this kind of handeling each case sounds logical to me but it happens in a time-frame of approximately 10 mins and then they are in the air and maybe another 10 mins until they'reach the air-craft. But on this day there was no fighter even near to'planes and also not after the crashes. There could have been more'to come! So why there was no military-effort at all,even it was a so called War on America. There must have been some national defense efforts but I just see'police and'fire-fighters.
Where in the world do you get your information? How would you know the time-frame? There is no standard time-frame because this had never happened before. The US has never had to shoot down an airliner in the US.
I think you've just been making stuff up to fit your version of what happened. You clearly don't understand ATC procedures and you have no idea what the protocol is for scrambling fighters after a hijacked airliner. (As if that info wouldn't be classified!) Stop acting like you know!
I am getting'most of the knowledge mainly from'different sources'of the internet.
Thus I know'about the time-frame in which they would have to act.
They would never wait for such things happening before they would set such important rules. The schedule and'procedure is made for every possible or even impossible case.
But please feel free to amend something you'think is not correct and'try to explain it, e.g. protocol for'scrambling'fighters after'hijacked airliner or'similar cases!
Be careful about information you get on the Internet. It's often wrong, even if it's repeated on a thousand websites.
I am a licensed Part 121 aircraft dispatcher, and I worked in the airlines for a number of years. I know the procedures, had to learn them for license, and they have never involved scrambling fighters within 10 minutes or any other time.
"They would never..." Don't you see that this is just speculation? Every possible/impossible case? Have you seen a list?
Yes I know but I always check it with my knowledge and'thinking thus I am getting the right conclusions but I am also not always right of-course.
Please tell us now about the exact procedure!
If fighters arent ready to intervene within 15 minutes, then its quite possible to be overrun by Russian or Chinese Forces anytime soon easily.
For'national defense you need such a narrow schedule and it must be trained regularely and now we have seen that it is possible even from the inside of the'country!
I gave some procedures earlier. Others for the flight crew include silent code transmission to ATC if possible and certain control surface configuration on exiting the runway if requesting immediate armed intervention. I can't be more specific about those two without compromising security (though some of you might know what they are if you've had the training). I accidently did that in the post I deleted just now. (More)
Before 9/11, NORAD's mission was to identify and defend against hostile targets entering US and Canadian airspace from foreign origins. It was never their mission to defend against targets originating in the US. On 9/11, for the first time, they were asked to act outside this mission. They never had a procedure because it was never their mission. They have since changed their mission to include hostile targets of domestic origin. But their mission is not to shoot down every hijacked plane.
Yes I understand it now that NORAD is more intended to act on military-interventions than on civil cases but I have heard that they would be called by to help out in such cases of hijjacking in'order to accompany and'bring the birds down safely.
But I would like to know, in which way did they act on 9/11 because I didnt see anything of them.
They must have a certain procedure now for the hijacking-cases.
Why does it have to be that someone must have "ordered" our air defense system to be off guard? Don't you think their would be a lot more air force employees coming forward if that was the case?
You just need to accept that the terrorists beat us on 9/11. Their is no conspiracy, we were caught sleeping and that's the truth.
Yes some-one must have ordered the national air-defence system to fall asleep or being busy with something else instead because otherwise it could have been prevented.
The air-force employees are soldiers-like thus it would be hard for them to speak'out what they know'or'think unless they leave their job and even then it could be dangerous for them.
There is only conspiracy in either ways because nothing has been proven yet sufficiantly.
I dont believe'the muslim-terrorists fairy-tale for sure!
Your idea that the airforce was ordered to stand down is exactly that, an idea. You have no proof of it, its just something you WANT to be true.
Don't tell me they did stand down, I live 15 minutes away from Otis ANG Base on Cape Cod. I saw the F-15s scramble on 9/11, and that was how I knew something was up that day.
Yeah, keep believing that Muslim extremeists aren't out there to hurt you, even though they pledge to kill all Americans on almost a daily basis, ignorant moron!
Yes we have no proof for it but may-be there is'already but I didnt find it yet. As I am not'in the investigation I wont get so far because my actual job is some-thing else. All we can do here; is promoting the idea: to ask questions, when there are doubts. I have no problem in getting convinced by a logical conclusion.
Its just a fact that there was no military-activities to prevent the terrorist-acts and there was always'warning, that this'could'happen; so why dont have them at alert 24/7
How many websites do you want people to post for you before you actually take the time to visit one? That's all you have to do to see the evidence. You've already done far more work than that in order to convince yourself of this conspiracy.
"All we can do here..." is a crock. We share links to evidence here too. Claiming it's not your job is a crock too if you're an American (which I don't know).
Evidence is a far more persuasive argument than the logic you have no problem with. Look at it!
Ok, i understand now that as a non-American you might have a problem trusting our courts. My nation had worked hard to earn a reputation of distrust since 9/11, and I don't blame you.
But our criminal courts are pretty independent. Juries decide cases, and they take their job seriously. (I served on a jury once, & everyone felt a strong duty to find the truth.)
And in any case, because criminal evidence is public, we don't have to trust the verdict.
No actually I wouldnt trust any courts around the'world because'judges are also just human beings and'elegible for'corruption. Can you imagine, what would happen; when it would come-out: that all the mighty clans did this together for some reason? I can not think of judging them. They would do any-thing'they could'to stop this'
Criminal courts might be pretty much independent but also not fair to ordinary people but those'are not just some-one.
Thus I find it impossible to get the right murder'
If you won't trust the courts, then who would you trust? The most trustworthy person is you yourself. Evaluate the evidence in a fair way in your search for the truth. Don't accept ANYONE's explanation, not mine, not Avery's, no one's. Find the truth yourself.
But doing that means a lot of work. In the meantime, until you've completed that work, can you truly say you think you know what happened when people who have done a lot more work than you evaluating the evidence disagree with you?
JUST IN CASE ANYONE OF YOU TRULY HAS DOUBT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON 09-11-2001.
The first thing to do is your own research if you are able. For instance I see an awful lot of back and forth on the subject of free fall. No the term free fall simply means when the top portion of the building began to fall it had nothing underneath resisting it's collapse, proven in the amount of time it fell. Meaning it could have only fell from the bottom first. Which totally disproves what we saw happening.
keratoday 2 years ago
And more importantly the majority of families of victims and 1st responders don't believe the official story and that's why the 911 truth movement was started.
BillmanXL 2 years ago
its been more than 8 years,...when will the truth come out??? Are you getting the point???
youarethisone 2 years ago
too many questions are unanswered.
superwildman100 2 years ago
NICE MOVIE MAN ITS TIME PEOPLE STOOD UP AND TAKE NOTE of what's going on with the world nice discloser AND TAKE NOTE thanks to youtube FOR THIS CONTENT BROADCAST you won't find it in YOU r media outlets ??? WHY NOT ??????????????????????????????
amcstella 2 years ago 2
most Americans believe this was a conspiracy on a grand level.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Most Americans believe you to be a Grand Dame ( you cross dresser )
pubsterguy 2 years ago
it can seem that way sometimes because our lives are so limited to the few that we live with and school with and work with. most of the people we associate with-like friends and co-worker friends are similar to us and think the same way as we do. so when you talk to people u know about it, it seems that everyone believes it. but nobody asks everybody they know about 911 truth. the accurate proportion is that most americans definately DONT believe 911 "truth". its only an illusion to you.
admiralct 2 years ago
no, most people DO believe there was a cover up, this is why a new investigation is under way.
the mainstream truth is the illusion.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
well if you say so
admiralct 2 years ago
i think bush knew and let it happen then put a twist on it like demolishing building 7.
TheDave4108 2 years ago
i thought that charlie sheen was supposed to narrate this version.
isreal423 2 years ago
no you all wrong it is the us state and poltic who did destroy this building, george buch is the one who did this im 100% that he did this
dragonday5 2 years ago
fake mofos
7skateboard 2 years ago
Believing that there were bombs in these buildings is just a phase that some people have to go through. Its like puberty, eventually you will come out the other side and see more clearly. Not everyone recovers from 9/11 CT syndrome, but most should return to normal thought patterns within 2 years at the most. to date there are no FDA Approved prescriptions available on the market to be written for this mental illness, but most sufferers should grow out of it in time. 4 planes crashed, no bombs
admiralct 2 years ago
R.I.P. The victims
ThePodarek 2 years ago
The film is too one sided and carefuly crafted by the way. And what is with all that music? it could only mean one thing emotional manipulation. I don't know how a victims family can handle this kind of material.
ThePodarek 2 years ago
haha holy shit people actually believe this shit
SmokeyJurnt5 2 years ago
u actually believe US foreign politics??
metalmaji 2 years ago
@metalmaji i said nothing of the sort
admiralct 2 years ago
It's hard to belive that so many people actually can me tricked to believe anything...
Anton7102 2 years ago
ask seth mcfarlane(family guy) he was suppose to be on the flight that landed...(93 or 11 i think) but his publisest(spelled wrong sorry) made him late for the flight .hes fucked up by it...but the wtc #7 yes was brought down by explosives...its sorta strange. i was suppose to work at Suncoast in the wtc mall. my first day was suppose to be sept. 14th. but i would of been there 9/11 training. R.I.P. all that we'ved lost!
nnfoster1982 2 years ago
*been there on 9/11 for training.
nnfoster1982 2 years ago
Im AUSTRALIAN & i LOVE AMERICA. Did you know that our PRI MINISTER at the time... John Howard (A.K.A John Coward) was CONVENIENTLY invited 1 day before 911 & CONVENIENTLY placed at a hotel just ONE block away from the towers that day therefore he saw everything..... Hmmmf! Kind of strange since that was the first time he was invited to come to USA.
7 days after the attack he announced without question that Aussie troops will join forces with USA in the fight against terrorism...
MrPaulwaters 2 years ago 2
Praise for the AUSSIES for gettin our back...for the truth! Damn our government! ps...hows health care there?
nnfoster1982 2 years ago
every1 go see the video off bbc reporter.reporting wtc7 s collapse 20 min early.if thats not solid proof well i dont know.
ifitstrueyourfucked 2 years ago
That video has allready been answered to, and it is NOT WTC 7 behind them, some idiot put out the rumor that it was, for a person that know New York inside and out, they know.
seazonsparkz 2 years ago
omg do u only belive what your told.go look at the f ing videos man it the same building. there are even videos off the collapse from the same angle as in the reporter video ffs
ifitstrueyourfucked 2 years ago
Share the proof that it is that same exact building exept for that video please.
seazonsparkz 2 years ago
I find it an incredible coincidence that not 1 or 2 but 3 buildings can come down much the same way in a relatively straight line much like what happens during a controlled demolition. I'm not stupid.
nunyabusiness3 2 years ago
during controlled demolitions, explosives are SET weeks ahead of time, and there are EXPLOSIONS HEARD and bright flashes of light up and down the entire building. ANY building collapse for ANY reason is going to appear as a controlled demolition because thats the only building collapse we've ever seen or know of. Thats why people think controlled demo, because we're so unfamiliar with any other collapse, though they obviously occur.
admiralct 2 years ago
fireproofed beams in highrise buildings Will keep standing in a 1500c fire for atleast way more time then wtc did even with the fireproffing blown off. look it up in any building guidelines ask any1 that works in construktion.ppl who where there reported explotions all over the building.THEY WHERE THERE!. and there are explosives that have no flashes and low sound.there where drills and maitanance going on all over wtc.(well documented) thats how they planted em !
ifitstrueyourfucked 2 years ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
How many times has Loose Change been edited for errors and re-released?
If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not by fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 15 minutes after impact?
Since demolition experts estimated it would take over 100 men 4-6 months to place explosives in WTC 1, 2, & 7, how come no one witnessed any strange activity or strange boxes?
ctcole77 2 years ago
@ctcole77
1. First they were a bit sloppy, but now later they got their act toghether. This final version is very good in my opinion.
2. How do you know it buckled under heat and stress loads? Such buckling might very well be because of thermite or such. Please also reference to a video for that event.
bjorinn 2 years ago
@ctcole77
3. People witnessed noise in the building. There were power downs and evacuations prior to 911. People usually don't work at night, so there might be an opportunity as well. Access to the core structure would be easy if you would be able to access the elevator shafts, which by coincidence were being renovated in the summer of 2001.
bjorinn 2 years ago
@ctcole77
(cont. about question 3)
The major problem about this question is that neither FEMA, NIST nor the 911 Commission seemed to be interested in asking these questions (did anyone hear or see anything strange?, etc). These omissions are just a few of the reasons why there is need for a new, truly independant investigation to ALL leads. Including witness testimonies from firegihters, NORAD personel, FAA, etc. With subpenoa power, I should add.
bjorinn 2 years ago
@ctcole77
Sorry, the renovation of the elevators took place before the summer of 2001. Elevator World (a magazine) march edition says the project was in 2000, but there is no precize date.
bjorinn 2 years ago
WTF is wrong with you ppl somone is trying to show proof of 911 and all you guys can do is fight amongst your selfs. Gosh no wonder is so dam easy for our government to contorl us we can't even hlep each other how our we going to change the world we need to put our diffrence s aside and come together or were all dead!
starkiss69 2 years ago
It is amazing to believe that the US government has anything to do with the terrorist attack. How the hell can a government keep this a secret, when they can't keep a blowjob in the white house a secret.
atheos78 2 years ago
go and research... it's not the first and not the last time in history... blowjob was just a show for sheeps...
bizarrejapan 2 years ago
It's not the first and not the last time in history, that is so true. But an attack of this proportion can be kept a secret for so long, if it was the US-gov who was behind it. And the research, I gladly let you do it, because it's nothing there to be found.
atheos78 2 years ago
DO PILLZ
chrisreid800 2 years ago
My comment was intended as a reply to the homophobic TRENTO654 and not anything to do with Loose Change, the Truth Movement or its detractors.
northbanksy 2 years ago
this youtube vid owner won't post my NOT AN INSIDE JOB opinion. That is fascism! not inside job
admiralct 2 years ago
this website won't let me give my opinion
admiralct 2 years ago
pathetic loosers. "Screw loose change" is the truth,
SOROCK666 2 years ago
united airlines jets have a blue underside so why is the planes hitting gray on the underside
ifitstrueyourfucked 2 years ago
I dont believe that 9/11 was inside job. the 'evidence' in this clip looks frabricated. i mean, why would the US government destroy the center of global business and trade and their military infrastructure? arent those two one of the most crucial resources in the US?
Lavulo187 2 years ago
So they find an excuse to go to war and steal oil from the middle east, they government benefits from these wars in afghanistan and iraq
sheptropremix 2 years ago
but werent they stealing oil from the middle east in the first place i mean they screwed up in Afghanistan in the Cold War and in Iraq in '91.
Lavulo187 2 years ago
because they want the power to call who ever dont agre with the system being pulled down over there head.a terrorist an extremist and put them away without any rights (and thats what they have now) and they could not have done it without 9/11.. u cant tell me that the evidence in loose change isent there or dosent it count cause ?? plz explain
ifitstrueyourfucked 2 years ago
blow me conspiracy fags
trento654 2 years ago
Catch up you cave man
northbanksy 2 years ago
get real mentally handicapped mn
trento654 2 years ago
lol...........
prinparis 2 years ago
Now now. I can only fuck one family member at a time and your mom wore me out!!! So give me a couple of minutes and I'll get back to you.
prinparis 2 years ago
you're not a member of the family though therefore you are fucking some elses mom
trento654 2 years ago
Anyone that watches this and believes those in our government and our military wouldn't try anything so heartless and evil only have to research "Operation Northwoods" to realize just how evil this group of people have become. But it is not just them. They are actually way down on the totem pole. The real controllers are the bankers that run the show from overseas.
ConspiracyForTruth 2 years ago
I'm more afraiad of bush and obama than i am of osama. John ashcroft was asked by congress to define a "terrorist". his response " anyone looking to bring an end to the US gov". I guess any american who attended the G20 summit in sept. could be considered a terrrorist for setting up a one world gov in favor of our countries sovereignty. Good people still come forward, Terry Yeakey, Barry Jennings, freedom loving people who gave thier lives for this countries ideals, tring to do the right thing.
finnfam5 2 years ago
i agry totaly with you men
TheRolymanumetal1 2 years ago
what does that mean you are terrorist since you said they wanna take away your freedom with the anti terrorist laws!! If you think closly the goverment is probobly only cautious since the attak of there own home country... it was a awful thing that happend and you drag it up just because you are a bit paranoid... think about thet familys instead of claiming that the goverment is against humans..
DeVineOneZz 2 years ago
Do you think Busch would have sacrifaced 3000 innocent lifes to have a reason to star t a war against Afganistan? no dont think so he was not a great president but not an evil devil either but Usama was (were)
steelfloating 2 years ago
u cant even spell him name and he was not a great president...he was one of the worst presidents in history....and yes he would to seize all the oil and increase the American imperialism
killacamboof 2 years ago
Bush wanted a war in Iraq. He needed SOMETHING to get the ball rolling. 9/11 and the War in Afghanistan were only to build pipelines but they got the people angry enough and scared enough to agree to go into Iraq despite the wrong intelligence information.
ConspiracyForTruth 2 years ago
wahabis,selefis,osama bin laden,bush work together!!!! i hope thats open your eyes!
lisa25mona 2 years ago
this can me an inside job.. its easy for the gov to prove it. just give out all infomation everything solved. if they dont its more likely their responsible^^
Necry3d 2 years ago
I find it interesting that when Rice said that no one could predict it, I remember that in the pilot episode of Lone Gunmen, it was basically the same happening. A highjaked plane to go into the wtc
antisaurus 2 years ago
people want answers?
watch obsession.
just type, obsession, jihad.
then come back and watch this movie.
TheUupa 2 years ago
Oh and where are the people who were on this flight 77? That part of it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life!
ebtcnt 2 years ago
My question is...where do they think the plane that crashed into the Pentagon went if it didn't crash into the Pentagon? It just disappeard into thin air??? Come-on...people on the flight were calling their families telling what was going on! Was it an inside job? I don't know...I don't think so, but even if it was....how can they say Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon?? Where the hell did it go then? That's my only point~!
ebtcnt 2 years ago
It's NOT an inside job.. It seems that as soon as a big tragedy happens there always surface conspiracy theories. Do you think that Elvis lives as well? Please use your heads. A nation cannot sacrifice that enormous amount of citizens and risk that many diplomatic incidents considering the foreigners working in World trade center. Too many collateral damages. This clip does nothing good by undermining the already weak democracy by creating adverse feelings towards the government.
CBTCo 2 years ago
Yeah I know, sttupid theories, look at that one about hat Osama guy, stupid shit.
seraph101 2 years ago
Totally Inside job!
High Treason
Xeretza 2 years ago
Finally someone agrees that the government is responsible! I was saying this for years. Great video, lots of evidence, facts, and ownage on those who blame terrorists. Give em' a break, it ain't easy being a terrorist.
SwiftyMcVayD12 2 years ago
This makes others think that maby you have something to do with the 9/11!! maby you just wanna creat panic and caos and selfhatred against you own country... im not from the states and i never will be... but you hafe to think a little bit realistic... would you crash a plane in to your familys house? no!! then why would america wanna destroy itself?
DeVineOneZz 2 years ago
America doesnt want to destroy itself the government want to make the public accept the new anti terrorist laws that take away your freedoms. Its happening in the uk too.
TommyDean1 2 years ago
as a muslim i can say great job for your country
ae5485 2 years ago
i just waiting to hear when the rope is coming out. going to need alot of it too
dhudson369 2 years ago
USA did 9-11
nokia5095007 2 years ago 5
Tupac killed JFK
stuffums 2 years ago
i also heard that elvis was the pilot of the plane that hit the pentagon
gazoopi 2 years ago
funny guy
PacmanBonez 2 years ago
Kurt Cobain was the pilot flight 175. He Elvis, Tupac and JFK are currently hiding on the set where they filmed the fake moon landings.
HeadlessEye 2 years ago 5
thats what i heard aswel
gazoopi 2 years ago
LOL
BlackWolf11 2 years ago
haha someone should put that on a t-shirt!!
Ekyvvsaq 2 years ago
Wow, people still do this? :D Fun! You little crazy conspiracy nut.
seraph101 2 years ago
Idiot. Search up the facts. Look the pictures.
9/11 Inside job!
Skyrodude 2 years ago
why do you keep coming back every week and posting that same comment your 31 years old get a life
TommyDean1 2 years ago
funny guy
PacmanBonez 2 years ago
Then he killed you too.
suavelyphe 2 years ago
Elzdor , watch the video. make the time. beyond a reasonable doubt they prove 9-11 was an inside job. this video, 'final cut' is the best version yet.
dsekou 2 years ago 2
can some one just tell me whats important in this video , i am not ganna spend one hour of my time here , thanks ( i am interested to know , just cant watch it all D: )
Ezldor 2 years ago
Why not look at the facts before coming up with any kind of judgement? Stop being naive to the point of total idiocy and just evaluate what you see, put your emotions aside and THINK for maybe once in your life...
ZTatyana18 2 years ago 2
This video is the biggest spreader of disinformation in the troofer movement. These guys are not interested in the truth, the families of those that died or indeed those folk who died, they are selfish and dispicable men with not one ounce of truth in their spineless bodies!
NafffRespect 2 years ago
And I watched this for no charge on YouTube.
mrcarlos15 2 years ago
Ok lets say the government did this and they admit it. Now what? Move out of the country? We're fuct either way, so might as well keep that shit covered.
unchboy 2 years ago
ضربة قوية إلي فريق
akela1957 2 years ago
ارجوكم ارجوكم ارجوكم ارجوكم ترجموا هذا الفيلم .
qat80 2 years ago
انا اتمنى من العرب الذين يجيدون اللغة الانجليزيه ان يترجموا هذا الفيلم الرائع ولكم جزيل الشكر .
qat80 2 years ago
I love the amount of respect you "truthers" have for the poeple that died that day. you all just hide behind your lies that. if that makes you feel better good for you, but don't protest at a memorial. you ask great questions, but you provide lies as your answers. anything sounds good if you put it to dramatic music. you guys are great at spreading false propaganda. I think you are hippocrates. you too pick and choose the info that you want to include. its just something to think about
rams199313 2 years ago
Exactly. Let's not forget the money they make and the lies they spread! Also remember the money they promised to donate to the families of loved ones never materialised!
Freaking liars. They make me sick to the stomach making money exploiting the memory of those who died!
NafffRespect 2 years ago
What the fuck are you talking about? They're asking for another investigation into an investigation that produced no convictions. There is video evidence that makes curious information present to the public. When I went to ground zero, I was given FREE pamphlets and FREE dvd's.
mrcarlos15 2 years ago
One FACT that was covered up with regards to Isreals involovement was a story on Fox News by one of their journalists, Carl Cameron which highlighted the FBI arrest of 5 Mossad agents who were seen dressed in Arab clothing and dancing around while the attacks were occurring on 911..The story was pulled after pressure from Jewish groups in america..where is that story? Why cant we see that story? That would tie in very well with what was going on at that time..
ZENMASTER02 2 years ago
Dumb asses get a clue!!
roman6642 2 years ago
NO BUILDINGS!
That's right, there were NO BUILDINGS used in 911.
ctcole77 2 years ago
Nothing would surprise me about the morally bankrupt G.W.Bush administration. Bush should have been executed.
This is undoubtedly the worst cover up of a horrific event orchestrated by the U.S. government. Why are American citizens so easily brainwashed into believing government propoganda?
They ought to be demanding the truth.
It is terrifying that the Whitehouse and the FBI were prepared to sacrifice thousands of American lives to manipulate public opinion for their sinister intentions.
sleepypoodle 2 years ago
fireproof passport, lmfao!!! no wonder the world is still going to shit. historically folks will believe anything.
AvEryBadApPLe 2 years ago
No one has brought up the fact that what may actually be the problem is something else. Maybe the terrorist plot was so well organized that the government is embarresed that they let it get past them. So they are hiding the evidence that makes them look as useless as they were in protecting the public. And at the same time gave them the perfect excuse to implement Big Brother. That is the scariest part of this. Our right to privacy and freedom to a large extent is gone, and we handed it over.
MrDiveDave 2 years ago
Both sides are so busy trying to convince the other side by repeating the same things over and over again. Use your minds and realize that both sides have some real answers. How can you find the real answer when you start looking for it with tunnel vision already in place.
There are some serious questions that need to have an answer, but that doesnt mean the whole government/military is in on it.
MrDiveDave 2 years ago
It amazes me that alot of you keep quoting things you heard in this video over and over again as if its the gospel truth, and the "facts" as they really happened. Your using hearsay to back up your arguments. There fore your argument is flawed from the start. I'm not on either side. I believe that there are some serious questions that need to be answered but I don't believe its a huge government conspiracy either. And you Truthers out there get your own facts dont just repeat what you hear.
MrDiveDave 2 years ago
It would make your arguments more believable and credible. Also it would take hundreds if not thousands of people to pull this off if it was a conspiracy. And no matter what someone (even if only 1) out of all of those people would have spoke up by now.
MrDiveDave 2 years ago
George Washington once said..." Anyone that would give up their liberties for security deserve neither and will loose both" .
Think about it....really.
MrDiveDave 2 years ago
That was Benjamin Franklin actually.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
haywoodyoudome 2 years ago
tower 7 ...they want you to believe that fire made it fall...... tower 7 was not hit by a plane....
peace
duchesseagle404 2 years ago
Look at all these douchebags that think that 9/11 was an inside job.
I hope you run into a family of a 9/11 victim.
Go check out Penn & Teller's take on this whole 9/11 shit. It might be entertainment and they might be magicians, but damn do they bring up some good points.
NakedCreep 2 years ago
nice source check out 9/11 truth rising. the families of the victims are truthers and know 9/11 was an inside job. Penn and teller are you fuckin kidding me?
jjsonson 2 years ago
that is a bullshit statement,
gazoopi 2 years ago
Checked out almost all the 9/11 Conspiracy B.S.
P&T present the idea, they do a bit of their researching, and then they have a research team do the researching.
NakedCreep 2 years ago
lol..why don't YOU ask P&T,(idiot and mute), that when the kink forms in 7, what happened to EVERY perimeter vertical support that the facade is attached to, at the SAME time, to give the EVEN decent of the ENTIRE building that WE ALL SEE...at a rate equivalent with the acceleration of gravity...as fast as an object can fall through the AIR
from spot fire
have them explain how 'COLD' steel shows the SAME characteristics as 'HOT' steel involved in fire
maybe YOU should have stayed in school
hgfbob 2 years ago
P does the talking, T does the thinking.
If you take a steel airplane, turn up the thrusters on them and then take a very tall and very stable steel building, guess who is going to win?
The airplane crashed into the building and then having the back collapse into itself you'd have enough space for the top to topple over, and it does. Then the thing goes down and collects mass like a snowball.
I'm still in schoo, foo.
NakedCreep 2 years ago
Why thank you, I feel so much better now that I know that my brother didn't die in the towers.
How awesome is that? :D
Bitch, please.
NakedCreep 2 years ago
its a conspiracy to have an EXCUSE to go to war AND STEAL OIL thats simple
Standupguy1025 2 years ago
Chandler used BASIC high school physics
that' s all one needs to see through this
modeling BEGINS with observation
lol....then they should have 'STARTED' with 'total global collapse' of the ENTIRE structure falling as fast as an object can fall on earth through the air.
NOTHING could have NATURALLY fallen faster, and WE SEE, NO part of the building fell SLOWER
WHERE IS THE FIRE..NIST couldn't find ANY...so the DREW illustrations to PUSH their HYPOTHESIS.
The model does what YOU tell it to
hgfbob 2 years ago
THE STEP BY STEP HOW TO BE A 911 TWOOFER GUIDE:
1) Put a picture of Dr. Steven Jones on your nightstand. Dr. Steven Jones is GOD!
2) Educate yourself by watching ONLY Loose Change & Zeitgeist.
3) Troll through youtube typing INSIDE JOB on every 911 video.
4) Stand on the street corner yelling "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB", but refuse to explain HOW, WHO, and WHY.
5) Call anyone who challenges your theories sheep.
6) NEVER ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG. EVEN IF THE PEN IS BLUE, INSIST IT'S RED!
ctcole77 2 years ago
goes both ways
cage305 2 years ago
if you want evidence watch the vids on my page.....not like there isnt pletty of proof in this video
SNIPERGIRL420 2 years ago
ROTFLMAO....
HOW to reply when you have been cornered and there's nothing else you can do
hgfbob 2 years ago
The twoof hurts........doesn't it?
ctcole77 2 years ago
lol...you tell me
hgfbob 2 years ago
ya never hear anything of the passengers in the 2 planes that hit the towers, is that coz those planes were empty?
stelley08 2 years ago
Where are you listening that you never hear anything of them?
Pieces of their bodies were found in the debris field from the initial impacts, photographed (available online) identified by DNA, and returned to their families. Their families have mourned in public. There is even a recorded conversation between a flight attendant on AA flight 11 and their office describing what's happening. There are passenger lists and security photos of those passengers. How do you never hear anything of them?
dcs002 2 years ago
tree was here
TreeWasHere 2 years ago
True but those other towers didnt have planes flowin into them LOL
MEGANUT29 2 years ago
its all just conspiracy because nothing has proven yet
Phatheya 2 years ago
this is the 3rd version of this loose change bullshit.
how many versions of the so called "truth" do we need?
everything in this video can be debunked, you just have to open your eyes and not blindly follow this crap
jflyin123 2 years ago
Okay well then you are free to start debunking'now.
Phatheya 2 years ago
For debunking, start here:
emptv.
com/
research/
loose-change-2
dcs002 2 years ago
no I meant: you shall start to explain'further more
Phatheya 2 years ago
I only get 500 words. I have already provided a lot of information and sources for the evidence. If you accuse our govt. of a conspiracy, it''s up to you to prove your case. you haven't.
But if you're genuinely interested in finding truth about whether those boys that made Loose Change lied to us, you can easily visit the url I provided. Every point they made in Loose Change is addressed, point by point, over 5 long web pages, with photos and links to all the evidence.
Don't lay it on me.
dcs002 2 years ago
You dont need to type anything in one box but you can devide it in the other boxes as well. Your information are important for the readers here! Thats why I am asking you to be precise with your knowledge; till now: you couldnt convince me yet.
I think its prove enough that there was no army around when America got attacked.
But now I am going to check-out your'site.
And I think you dont need to prove anything further more becaus eit would just repeat what I can find on this debunking-site.
Phatheya 2 years ago
lmao
doomsday800 2 years ago
I am sure of that OBL plays his role in this'game but its not just the combination of him together with AlQaida, Taleban, Islam and so on. It is supported by neaerly every government in this'world through their lobbyists.
They are all interested to earn big money with this dirty'game.
Thus it is not just an american problem; it effects us all and we must be aware of such guys.
As of now: they have got their part, especially in Iraq (the oil'seem to be secured) but not yet in Afghanistan.
Phatheya 2 years ago
Yes they are! AlJazeera isnt really from Doha/Qatar. It looks to me like british influenced by BBC or even Murdock from Australia. And they all belong to the supporting mass-media.
Phatheya 2 years ago
Okay'fine, then please post your own research here; so that we can judge about it!
Phatheya 2 years ago
Yes you are right. It have been truly terrorists but we need to understand that terror can be made by everyone and not only muslims. And you just need to ask yourself: where are the people living with that evil mind to do such things? When you have ever visited islamic countries and when you had compared them with your western people then you might realize that our society produces the most of the negative intelligence and they are highly capable to do such operations combined with the military.
Phatheya 2 years ago
...then you know'aboutChristians...
Phatheya 2 years ago
No in this case you are wrong. It will be requested by the Control-Center and within 10 minutes the fighters are in the air and accompanying the hijacked planes, forcing them to land at'safe place; if not-shut down!
Why would they be just responding to foreign jets? They have to protect the US air-space against everything!
Phatheya 2 years ago
In'fact: it is reported by NORAD that they had set training-missions'that day on exactly the same incident: an air'plane would crash into the WTC
thus they didnt really know, what was going on there when it really'happened and'couldnt respond. Others have been on'another excercice in Alaska. And there have been some jetfighters in the air but with such a low speed that they hardly could fly.
But probably in the end they'got their part over Pennsylvania when they might have shot down the fourth'
Phatheya 2 years ago
You're wrong. I live 15 minutes away from Otis ANG Base, where the F-15s were scrambled on 9/11.
They broke the sound barrier over where I was, and that was the very first moment I knew something had happend that day. And that happened before the 2nd plane hit the other tower. So please don't get into the whole NORAD "stand down" thing because those F-15s were going like a bastard towards NYC.
fengineer08 2 years ago
Well if I am wrong, then its part of the justice to prove what is'right.
I never heared something like that what you tell us now before.
So why they havent been seen around Manhattan then? I just saw'helicopters.
When the F15s where flying like hell towards NY then they might have prevented the second crash within 10 minutes for sure or am I wrong'again?
And any-way; when a plane gets hijacked, then they would'act immediately and not just after the first plane hit.
Maybe you can explain'more?
Phatheya 2 years ago
I can't explain why the F-15s didn't make it there in time other than saying our nation's air defense system was caught sleeping on 9/11, and you know they were. And I have no idea who told who to do what, but they sure as hell did scramble.
All I know is what I saw myself on 9/11. Before they transfered the F-15s off base about a year ago, I'd see them all the time, I knew what was normal.
For them to pass over head the way they did that day, you just knew their was a problem.
fengineer08 2 years ago
Yes you are right: the national air-defense system was totally sleeping on that day and this'was'for a reason. But who has ordered'to do'so? Why they might have been so confused by all kind of'information?
We would need to follow the order-chart'to find out, who was responsible'at this'time.
And for what reason they'have transferred the'fighter-jets a year ago?
Thus they have been acting in your area but not where they should have been.
Someone must have given that strange orders for sure!
Phatheya 2 years ago
No nation has ever had a policy to shoot down planes when they're hijacked. First plane hit the tower before anyone knew it was hijacked. ATC had just lost contact with it. And it wasn't logical at the time to assume there were several hijacked planes b/c no one had ever simultaneously hijacked more than 1. Only after 2nd plane hit.
The way I understand things, the scrambled fighters (thought they were F16s?) just flew north and east to look for "hostile aircraft" and report "type and tail."
dcs002 2 years ago
In this case there was a reason to do it so in'order to save other lives on the ground and they did'at the last'plane.
The hijacked planes need to be brought down on the ground under all circumstances and they'know'how to do. But no jet-fighter was even near of one of the three'planes.
As soon as ATC looses contact to a plane they would order NORAD to check it out. This'was practice all over the time, except'that day.
On that'day every nation could have intervented the USA because'no defense.
Phatheya 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but this has never been policy, not on 9/11, not ever. When ATC loses radar contact they ask other aircraft if they have visual or radio contact. They try to re-establish radio contact. They check other frequencies. They contact the flight's dispatcher to see if they can reach them via ACARS (a text-based communications system). If none of this works they contact ground personnel in the area where it was last seen. They don't go right to NORAD when they lose radar contact.
dcs002 2 years ago
Yes this kind of handeling each case sounds logical to me but it happens in a time-frame of approximately 10 mins and then they are in the air and maybe another 10 mins until they'reach the air-craft. But on this day there was no fighter even near to'planes and also not after the crashes. There could have been more'to come! So why there was no military-effort at all,even it was a so called War on America. There must have been some national defense efforts but I just see'police and'fire-fighters.
Phatheya 2 years ago
Where in the world do you get your information? How would you know the time-frame? There is no standard time-frame because this had never happened before. The US has never had to shoot down an airliner in the US.
I think you've just been making stuff up to fit your version of what happened. You clearly don't understand ATC procedures and you have no idea what the protocol is for scrambling fighters after a hijacked airliner. (As if that info wouldn't be classified!) Stop acting like you know!
dcs002 2 years ago
I am getting'most of the knowledge mainly from'different sources'of the internet.
Thus I know'about the time-frame in which they would have to act.
They would never wait for such things happening before they would set such important rules. The schedule and'procedure is made for every possible or even impossible case.
But please feel free to amend something you'think is not correct and'try to explain it, e.g. protocol for'scrambling'fighters after'hijacked airliner or'similar cases!
Phatheya 2 years ago
Be careful about information you get on the Internet. It's often wrong, even if it's repeated on a thousand websites.
I am a licensed Part 121 aircraft dispatcher, and I worked in the airlines for a number of years. I know the procedures, had to learn them for license, and they have never involved scrambling fighters within 10 minutes or any other time.
"They would never..." Don't you see that this is just speculation? Every possible/impossible case? Have you seen a list?
Think critically!
dcs002 2 years ago
Yes I know but I always check it with my knowledge and'thinking thus I am getting the right conclusions but I am also not always right of-course.
Please tell us now about the exact procedure!
If fighters arent ready to intervene within 15 minutes, then its quite possible to be overrun by Russian or Chinese Forces anytime soon easily.
For'national defense you need such a narrow schedule and it must be trained regularely and now we have seen that it is possible even from the inside of the'country!
Phatheya 2 years ago
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dcs002 2 years ago
I gave some procedures earlier. Others for the flight crew include silent code transmission to ATC if possible and certain control surface configuration on exiting the runway if requesting immediate armed intervention. I can't be more specific about those two without compromising security (though some of you might know what they are if you've had the training). I accidently did that in the post I deleted just now. (More)
dcs002 2 years ago
Before 9/11, NORAD's mission was to identify and defend against hostile targets entering US and Canadian airspace from foreign origins. It was never their mission to defend against targets originating in the US. On 9/11, for the first time, they were asked to act outside this mission. They never had a procedure because it was never their mission. They have since changed their mission to include hostile targets of domestic origin. But their mission is not to shoot down every hijacked plane.
dcs002 2 years ago
Yes I understand it now that NORAD is more intended to act on military-interventions than on civil cases but I have heard that they would be called by to help out in such cases of hijjacking in'order to accompany and'bring the birds down safely.
But I would like to know, in which way did they act on 9/11 because I didnt see anything of them.
They must have a certain procedure now for the hijacking-cases.
Phatheya 2 years ago
Why does it have to be that someone must have "ordered" our air defense system to be off guard? Don't you think their would be a lot more air force employees coming forward if that was the case?
You just need to accept that the terrorists beat us on 9/11. Their is no conspiracy, we were caught sleeping and that's the truth.
fengineer08 2 years ago
Yes some-one must have ordered the national air-defence system to fall asleep or being busy with something else instead because otherwise it could have been prevented.
The air-force employees are soldiers-like thus it would be hard for them to speak'out what they know'or'think unless they leave their job and even then it could be dangerous for them.
There is only conspiracy in either ways because nothing has been proven yet sufficiantly.
I dont believe'the muslim-terrorists fairy-tale for sure!
Phatheya 2 years ago
Phatheya. I agree with you
strongcat3236 2 years ago
Your idea that the airforce was ordered to stand down is exactly that, an idea. You have no proof of it, its just something you WANT to be true.
Don't tell me they did stand down, I live 15 minutes away from Otis ANG Base on Cape Cod. I saw the F-15s scramble on 9/11, and that was how I knew something was up that day.
Yeah, keep believing that Muslim extremeists aren't out there to hurt you, even though they pledge to kill all Americans on almost a daily basis, ignorant moron!
fengineer08 2 years ago
Yes we have no proof for it but may-be there is'already but I didnt find it yet. As I am not'in the investigation I wont get so far because my actual job is some-thing else. All we can do here; is promoting the idea: to ask questions, when there are doubts. I have no problem in getting convinced by a logical conclusion.
Its just a fact that there was no military-activities to prevent the terrorist-acts and there was always'warning, that this'could'happen; so why dont have them at alert 24/7
Phatheya 2 years ago
How many websites do you want people to post for you before you actually take the time to visit one? That's all you have to do to see the evidence. You've already done far more work than that in order to convince yourself of this conspiracy.
"All we can do here..." is a crock. We share links to evidence here too. Claiming it's not your job is a crock too if you're an American (which I don't know).
Evidence is a far more persuasive argument than the logic you have no problem with. Look at it!
dcs002 2 years ago
Ooh I am actually still over the first site but excuse me, when I have also a job to do thus I need some time to get over it.
And the other link didnt work!
No I am not American but since that shit effects the whole world I am pretty much interested in the subject.
I just can tell you already now that your so called evidence raises further questions but I will come back for this'later'in the evening.
For now I am just arguing here with you over your'comments and'try to get some'conclusion.
Phatheya 2 years ago
Ok, i understand now that as a non-American you might have a problem trusting our courts. My nation had worked hard to earn a reputation of distrust since 9/11, and I don't blame you.
But our criminal courts are pretty independent. Juries decide cases, and they take their job seriously. (I served on a jury once, & everyone felt a strong duty to find the truth.)
And in any case, because criminal evidence is public, we don't have to trust the verdict.
I know this takes time, so no hurry.
dcs002 2 years ago
No actually I wouldnt trust any courts around the'world because'judges are also just human beings and'elegible for'corruption. Can you imagine, what would happen; when it would come-out: that all the mighty clans did this together for some reason? I can not think of judging them. They would do any-thing'they could'to stop this'
Criminal courts might be pretty much independent but also not fair to ordinary people but those'are not just some-one.
Thus I find it impossible to get the right murder'
Phatheya 2 years ago
If you won't trust the courts, then who would you trust? The most trustworthy person is you yourself. Evaluate the evidence in a fair way in your search for the truth. Don't accept ANYONE's explanation, not mine, not Avery's, no one's. Find the truth yourself.
But doing that means a lot of work. In the meantime, until you've completed that work, can you truly say you think you know what happened when people who have done a lot more work than you evaluating the evidence disagree with you?
dcs002 2 years ago