Tai Chi Chuan and Combat SanshouTechniques

[gilbertogillutador]

veri good gostei do video parabens

[juezna]

why does people use tai chi for combat? prepairing mind for combat is no good for humanity's ideals. that sort of predisposition leads to war an fight between people.

[ptccm]

@juezna Maybe you should look up what the "chuan" in "tai chi chuan" means...

[jacksawild]

Tai chi is when you do A then B then C. Or at least, that's what you'd believe if you took your instruction from some of the youtube commentators out there. Seriously, if you're being taught a specific set of techniques to win any fight then you've been wasting your money. I can see many principles of tai chi at work in this vid, why is everyone a teacher here and no one a student?

[polariswushudotnet]

Cool clip, thanks for sharing

[jingwei111]

this is real kung fu

[taiji218]

Regarding taiji "grabs." First of all, when most people try to grab they instinctively try to bring the tips of their fingers together to complete the grab. This is actually very weak and easy to defeat. The taiji grab aims to bring the middle knuckle of the index finger (aided by the middle knuckle of the middle finger) in towards the middle knuckle of the thumb. This uses the major muscles of the hand and is far more effective in holding both the radius and the ulna of the forearm.

[ptccm]

@taiji218 I don't really agree with you on this but that's OK. The most important thing is that your grip works for you as mine does for me.

[celticbattleaxe]

@taiji218 Yes, indeed. The only people who are effective at finger grips in combat are pianists who have been practicing for more than 30 years, as their finger muscles become quite strong

[ptccm]

@celticbattleaxe Crap, I better stop working on my grip strength and go play piano then... ;-)

[celticbattleaxe]

@ptccm You don't have to - it's just an alternative path.

[Caofighter]

Do you think that Tai Chi can work on MMA?

[ptccm]

@Caofighter Both have strengths and weaknesses, so who knows? Styles are only as good as the fighters using them. So I personally don't really care as much which style "beats" which other one. We can all only train hard and try to improve our skills, regardless of where they come from.

[TheZhongzheng]

@Caofighter It does, and has been proven. See Neil Rosiak or Sammi Bereck etc..

[scorael]

@Caofighter There's a reason why MMA is named Mixed Martial Arts. While it is usually associated with Muay Thai and Jujitsu there is no definite form for it because in MMA as long as it works one can use it. Assuming you are speaking of the grappling techniques in MMA , I am sure Tai Chi has techniques to prevent grappling because I have seen masters just bounce off grappling attempts.

[44excalibur]

@scorael Unfortunately, saying MMA is all-inclusive is like saying guys read Playboy for the articles. The concept of MMA is to mix different styles according to what works for practioner, but the reality is that it has pretty much become exclusively Muay Thai/BJJ(Brazilian, not Japanese) or just straight boxing and wreslting. Fighters with tradional MA backgrounds are few and far between, and there is a lot of predjudice and trash talk in MMA towards any type of traditional MA.

[yyekcim]

@Caofighter Of course it works. But don't depend on it.

If you want to use it in MMA I think one of the important things you would like to use is to move naturally and feel the intern movement of your body.

[Niccomawf]

As to the efficacy of particular technique types, I find the best thing to do is to earnestly test the technique in both a controlled and then a sparring situation. It'll always yield a more accurate evaluation than the opinions of supposed experts.

[shawandrew]

I really liked the strike with the forearm to the carotid artery because its a soft target, and you won't hurt your knuckles. I also liked the block and check. leading with a hook or haymaker is dangerous but that's what non fighters do.

[shawandrew]

I like this video in general, but the last technique... Since I stopped going to ninjutsu, took thai boxing, and started lurking at bullshido, I'm convinced that techniques that involve catching punches are extremely low percentage effectiveness. When you perry, his first instinct will be to retract his arm. If you want to take him down you will need to at least find a way of trapping his punch.

[ptccm]

Not everybody punches like a Thai boxer. In fact, only very few people do. Also, it's not "catching" a punch, even though it looks like it. You only grab the arm right before the punch ends/retracts. It's a timing thing.

Last point: the punch showcases the technique best but it works just as well against a grab or any other situation where the opponents arm is in front of you.

[JimmyPtheman]

The double leg takedown looks ok, but keep your head up!

[ptccm]

Actually, the head's supposed to be down in this version. YMMV of course.

[sinkandrelax]

This looks like an effective demonstration of external martial techniques using leverage and muscular force, but please DON'T call it Tai Chi Chuan. Real Tai Chi Chuan is about using principles, not techniques, and internal energy, not muscular force.

[ptccm]

Hi,

Sorry to hear you didn't like it. Still, I can't please everybody so such is life.

For the record, I disagree with you. However, I'd love to see a video of your own practice so we can at least compare notes. :-)

[sinkandrelax]

These techniques can look effective for fighting, but please don't call them Tai Chi Chuan. This demonstration is purely external, not the internal art of Tai Chi Chuan. Tai Chi Chuan is not about techniques and external strength - it is about principles and internal energy.

[nomamao]

Oh this is tai chi.

I believe that some things aren't needed. The arm bar, for one. And why change legs to step in for the takedown?

I think the first technique is more TAICHI than anything else in this vid, but obviously, this guy knows his stuff. Good work.

[ptccm]

Hi,

The arm bar was just an example, could have stopped there or added another technique. I wanted to show something other than striking techniques to add variety to the video.

The extra step is to have more drive and also helps avoiding going to the ground with him as you do the takedown.

As for the techniques: I clearly say which ones are combat sansou, sanshou and tai chi.

[nomamao]

Now, I understand fully, rewatching the vid and all. Very good demonstration of real taichi for fighting application.

[ptccm]

No worries, glad to see you enjoyed it.

[porfi44444]

Nice video

[ptccm]

Thanks!

[brizzight]

Aikido!

[ptccm]

Lol! The comments keep getting better and better. :-)

[ptccm]

"Aikido", then "Wushu, not tai chi". One wonders about the added value of such comments. I mainy see them as funny. :-)

[ptccm]

Temper, temper... :-)

[Taurus8763]

Wushu ....not Tai chi....

[ptccm]

If you say so. Lol!

[Noesis26]

ha, it is Wushu too, however quite inappropriate to correct ptccm on his own vid. lol

[ptccm]

Well, as Wushu means "martial arts" in Chinese and tai chi chuan is a Chinese martial art, the comment is pretty funny.

To each his own I guess...

[NcubeG]

Excuse me just want to know where is your school thanks.

[ptccm]

I teach a regular class twice a week, just outside of Brussels in Belgium.

[BrunoSilva1993]

this looks like yang style, i am right?

[ptccm]

Nope, closer to Wu style.

[Ostelen]

why at the middle end of the vidéo they show grappling MMA technic and they say it is tai chi ?

[ptccm]

Please read the title of this clip, or read the text under "More info". Nobody ever said this was a tai chi technique.

[zlorfik87]

nice thx^^

[bhamka666]

sorry, i just have a quick question do you think that a 15 year old (not so strong) boy should learn tai chi, i find it more attractive for some reason? and if yes what style? thank you

[ptccm]

If you're interested in tai chi, just give it a try. As for style, finding a good teacher is more important IMHO than which style you end up with.

Good luck.

[ksipa]

Absolutely! Especially if you can find a teacher that is interested in teaching Zhan Zhuang - which will make you strong and lay a solid foundation for ANYTHING else you do. Any style is a good style when it comes to Taiji. Though I am a bit biased towards Chen :) Have fun!

[senxo]

I too love Chen style.

[boostedlsx]

Good stuff. I like watching tai chi applications being practiced as well as learning myself.

[clouddragontaichi]

good video

[rasenkamai]

cool!

[SystemaMaster]

did you know tai chi is originated from systema

[ptccm]

Didn't all martial arts originate from systema? ;-)

[AdamSwaluk]

No, no they did not.

[ptccm]

Please note the smiley...

[pluemb]

Maybe certain denomination(s) or styles. But Tai Chi is pretty old man, I can't really buy into a two bit historical "he-said", without having some doctrines, books or even a Wikipedia article to back that up.

[ptccm]

I figured people wouldn't take "SystemaMaster's comment seriously so my response was ironic. So let's be clear: tai chi didn't originate from systema, not at all. The opposite however... :-)

[Ghostfuture]

Lol - even systema didn't originate in systema.

[TruthNeverFade]

excellent work!

i'm doing tai-chi too, i have to say,that i'm very impressed!

good work,very useful technique.

:)

[ptccm]

Thanks, glad you liked it.

[taijihitman]

good stuff, simple realistic things that work, fancy things can always be added to this.peace,n

[leochidori99]

i like this movement..tq

[ptccm]

Thanks Keith, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[brandonyang108]

Good,and I love it

[bigrobnz]

Good stuff! thanks.

[Toryonline]

Hi, Wim,

I admire your open mind and willingness to discuss every possibility, and I love it.

Most Chinese so-called masters would be angry about my words, for business benifit or reputation, but you are not, i feel shame on we Chinese.

Already you are a great fighter I know, and keep walking like this I believe, one day you will become another master soon.

Also I apologize for any offending if caused i did'nt know, and wish you very good sucess in the field.

Tory

[Toryonline]

Hi, Wim

After demo I have to admit you are a well trained fighter and I mean it, however, it has NOTHING to do with Taichi, trust me.

Taichi is not only the fixed forms sifu told you as showed on video, although it varies from master to master, it has its own essence/concept, which is common part betwen Masters.

I am not talking about your form is wrong, it's about reading from it I know that, still not you don't get the essence of Internal art

& Taichi.

Tory / taichi master (self-titled)

[ptccm]

Hi Tory,

Thanks for your comments. As far as I can tell, there are many styles of tai chi chuan and many sub-styles within them. No two teachers from the same lineage do it exactly the same way.

That said, if I ever get the essence of any art, tai chi or other, I'll be a happy man. In the mean time, I can only train as hard as I can. Just like everybody else.

Best,

Wim

[SoundwaveSuperior373]

basing off to c if a technique will work is obviously based on 2 thinsg ur skils to make it work n ur enemies skils to prevent ot from working if u outlcass ur enemy it will prolly work if ur both equaled skills then its chances of working r not very high its all about training to be better than teh person ur fighting

[Toryonline]

How about to grab a boxer's arm, not gonna possible right?

I myself is a Taiwanese, and study martial art too.

However the worse part of chinese martial art is, our enemy always got one chance to action/move, and then he/she stops after, waiting for the art master to hit/grap/punch, and keeping waiting, like a doll.

you think this is what will happen in real street fight?

I love chinese martial art too, but please, STOP doing this.

Tory Lin / from Taiwan

[ptccm]

Hi Tory,

You're right; facing a boxer is extremely difficult, let alone catching his arm. That said, please remember that the techniques shown in this clip are just a demonstration and not an actual fight. In an actual fight you need to hit your attacker hard or it won't work. If I did that with my demo partner, he would not have been so happy...

This clip is a video demonstration intended to show some specific information. It's not a performance video in which you go at 100% speed and power.

[stevieb8006]

good point. the whole theory behind tai chi is continuous movement. i find th best stance vs a boxer is strum the lute. then low kicks, short hand strikes after "LINING THEM UP LIKE A SNIPER". keep them on the outside.

[nabeelballer]

damn in 2:06 it sounds like a gun shot lol

[ptccm]

It's just the slow mo sound. Makes it come out a bit weird. But it does sound kind of cool IMO. :-)

[nabeelballer]

you know that martial art "systema" is a mix between aikido and thai chi??

i think systema is the best martial art

it's a russian martial art...anyway,nice video

[ptccm]

From what I've seen of Systema it looks like a pretty good art to practice. Personally I don't believe there is a "best" or "worst" art. That said, as long as you are happy with what you practice, then all is good.

[lil5hit]

LOL nice counter attacks

nice sound effects...

[CptOates]

He needs to watch Happy Gilmore and take notes from Carl Weathers: "Bend the knee's...it's all in the hips.....it's all in the hips"

Twisting from the rib cage ain't Tai Chi

[ptccm]

I was never such a big fan of Adam Sandler. :-)

Twisting from the rib cage is indeed not the only thing there is to tai chi. I couldn't agree more.

[dctim]

An awesome little video showing some funky techniques. I like it!

[ptccm]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

[arcticwanderer2000]

Like most martial arts, these blocking techniques rely on the attacker throwing weak, half hearted punches. This isn't defending a real attack.

[ptccm]

Indeed it is not; they are a demonstration of possible responses to specific attacks. If my demo partner would throw a "real" attack, I'd have to cranck my defense up to "real" levels too. Usually people get hurt when the intensity goes to those levels, which is not really the point of a demonstration. On the contrary.

[arcticwanderer2000]

Well I have never seen anyone, no matter how skilled they are, be able to do more than simple blocks in an actual fight with wild punches coming from all over the place or punches being thrown and pulled back quickly. I know when I studied in China it was drilled into me the differance between studying a style and a real fight.

[ptccm]

There is indeed a huge difference between most martial arts and what happens in an actual fight. I guess all we can do is train as hard as we possibly can and hope for a little luck when somebody comes at us with dark intentions.

[arcticwanderer2000]

You are right about the luck. I remember about 30 yrs ago a man I was having a disagreement with started swinging at me from a couple of feet away. I had been studying karate about 6 years and did manage to block both punches and end the fight with a kick. But I basically just automatically threw up the high blocks with my head ducking down and eyes closed. Not the picturesque" watch his eyes, step to the side , circle block , move in for the take down" I had practised and envisioned.

[MCulpa]

I'm not even picturesque when I'm fighting in the dojo, so I expect to look less like Bruce Lee and more like Clint Eastwood if I do happen to get in a fight.

(Though I'm pretty passive all in all anyways)

[donboladefogo]

Pure tai chi from PTCCI Wudang of Dan Docherty

school use of applications from the form and the 13 tactics excellent stuff

[Blackdog23a]

Hmmm no Taiji going on there then.

[sasukeshippuden]

It's purely chuan fua.

[ptccm]

Not really. I do realize most people have a different view on how tai chi applications should look like and that is fine. As long as we're all learing and enjoying the process, I think thats the main thing.

[arcticwanderer2000]

Here is another tidbit of martial arts bs. In China I was able to hook up with some older ( 55-83 yr old) Xingyi boxers who all had reps as fighters. Yet they differentiated from studying Xingyi and real fighting. They also didn't do any partner training as part of their Xingyi.

[tommyrattlesnake]

Well I disagree on the blocking point, I've been doing Chen Tai Ji Quan for many years, and I can attest that push hands can develop very instinctive silk reeling maneuvers which one can slap down or throw an attacker.

I think its important to train any style with some sense of real sparring. Of course, tai ji rarely trains with real sparring so to have to incorporate into a more eclectic regimen. This might involve non-traditional interpretations of martial arts in general.

[Uhrfischelner]

shocking to the face and working on elbow after that seems as a very useful technice.i m gonna amend my jiu jitsu knowledge with this technice

[Mezzurchadnezzah]

Indeed, we have pretty similar texhniques in Aikido (of the Tomiki variety)

[drumzbykes]

cool video

[hanjiebender]

Chinese Kong fu is not for "skilled" attacher,

in the movie the master assume the attacker not action and moving further after first attack just waiting for his countermeasure

actionS.

This is no real in street fight.

[ptccm]

Obviously, this isn't a street fight; it's a demonstration of techniques. :-) As such, it doesn't allow for full power strikes that give the correct impact manipulation on the training partner.

[Brady2k8]

what was the first technique he showed? where he is about to step on his partner?

[ptccm]

It's a Combat Sanshou technique. Deflect the attack, counter with a palm heel to the face, Southern style forearm to the neck to shift the attacker's weight, cutting out his knee with the right hand for the take down.

[Brady2k8]

alright thanks, it looks cool especially if it was in a real situation.

[hseckink]

:) well i ve felt very strong influence of the kali/silat.

but i think this is logicall

a researcher can find many of the kung fu form application not at chinese teachers demos but at a silat demo

and i think real temple wudang tai chi is closer to chen more than the wu.

maybe all i wrote is wrong

[ptccm]

Just like in many things, there are similarities and differences between Chinese and South-East Asian systems. Sometimes things aren't as cut and dried as they seem. As long as everybody enjoys his practice, it's all good. :-)

[joshb0y]

I really like your lack of arrogance, which seems to be common place amongst tai chi practicioners who have missed the entire concept of tao. It all depends what you are trying to achieve.

Nice job :-)

[ptccm]

Thank you for your kind words. We're all just students anyway. There's always a better person than you out there. So no need to get hung up on one's skills or lack therefof. :-) As long as you enjoy the training, that's what counts.

[afgBoy0]

nice shot

[Yechaoxu1998]

When playing Taiji, you don't use force but more your whole body which create much more power by rotating. It's an art perfectly combine your consciousness with your body. You have to usderstand the philosophy that support this martial art

[juanmmaldonado]

very nice applications

[marzsc]

probably more chen style tai chi? the tai chi martial arts application i do is not using that many hard force.... good fighting technique anyway...

[ptccm]

Hi Marzsc, I practice Wudang style, which is much closer to Wu than Chen.

As for the force level: As I perform the Tai Chi techniques I'm very relaxed. I do speed up a little but I'm certainly not tense, though I know it might look that way in the clip. The power generation for the Combat Sanshou and Sanda applications is different than for the Tai Chi ones. They are different arts and have a different way of doing things.

[papageorgio123123]

in tai chi forms the movements always stop before the jing right? so if you apply them im sure you would ad jing at the end of the technique, especially the pushes? i could be wrong this is more of a question comment

[ptccm]

IMHO, it depends on the style you practice. Some styles discharge energy while doign the form, others don't. The style I do doesn't.

For the applications, if you don't discharge energy when doing them, it usually isn't a very effective way to fight.

[lostwoodsneverfound]

Hmm. I didn't thought Tai Chi was a fight sport. However; I'm currently exercising Weng Chun. It's awesome.

[ptccm]

Tai Chi Chuan is first and foremost a fighting art in origin. Unfortunately, nowadays most people only practice the health and mediative aspects of the art. In the style I study, we practice the martial aspects, the applications as an integral part of the curriculum.

[dajosee]

What is this? Tai Chi is about moving energy, this is just another weak, new martial art, it looks like Hapkido.

[ptccm]

Hi Dajosee,

It is funny that you mention Hapkido as this clip was shot in a Hapkido school where I gave a seminar. :-) Anyway, there are only two Tai Chi techniques in this clip: grasping birds tail and single whip. The other techniques are from Combat Sanshou and Sanda. I hope that clears things up for you. If not, then I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the techniques and wish you well in your training.

[HumanSoftware]

In any Case, Tai Chi IS a martial art ...!!!

[SatoriScience]

No Taiji is about fighting. Or didn't you learn that?

Very nice, love to see Taiji players use their are for Sanda!

[NinjaShika]

thank u!!!!!!!

[cancairian]

very good