christianity is just another human worshipping group. like all the others that say theres is real. jesus was VOTED as god in 325ad in nicea, wen the bible was put together wen they chose 73 books out of thousand s of diff gospels they had. god dint tell them wich books were real or not. nor did god tell the protestants to form ther own church and bibles
These authors seem incapable of conceiving the concept of paradox.
J. S. Bach is God; the savior of mankind
He wrote lots of one notes, which made patterns of "one" phrase, section piece, collections, library. "Three in one", four in one, 3+3=6="One" number "6". 8 groups of 6; "one" group of 48. All are parts, all are wholes. This paradox IS God.
All surf the present moment, eternally, one moment of many "one" moments.
Search and hear God; J.S. Bach: Toccata in F major BWV 540 (M.C. Alain)
Jesus is Lord God Almighty. The Prophets wrote of Him. When He was transfigured we saw beside Him Law and the Prophet that testified of Him and will be a witness of Him to this unbeliving world on the day of his Wrath. Behold, when Jesus goes to Battle against those who hate Him, even Babylon the Great Rev 17:5, His Vestment will be dipped in BLOOD Rev 19:16, Isa 63: 2-3, All MUST know He is the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KIINGS Rev 19:16, Dan 10:6 even those who pierced Him, Psa 68.
jesus states that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds....this is a blatant fallacy. the mustard seed is not even close, there are orchiids in the rain forest with seeds 1/20 the size of the mustard seed.
Of course Jesus is God and so are you, so are all of us. Who else could we be???? God playing with himself! Inside is out. Upside is down. The first is last. A house of mirrors. God is such a liar!! But how else could He believe the illusion if it wasn't "realistic"? The Sun shines unabashedly with love and hate.
Go ahead say it; "I AM GOD". Doesn't it feel good? And there truly is only "one" God. Not Trinity but Milenity, Infinity. "ME" everywhere....WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
A molecule? A cell? Five fingers? Two Hands? One body? One family? One Star, four universes? When did "you" begin? At conception? At birth? At big bang? When will you end Mr. Moment? What are you without the moment that we both share? The same moment that will be here long after the other "you/me" are dried an gone? Are you one or three or infinity? Are you true or paradox? Stop, I command. Never think of these words again, they belong to weeeeeeeeeeeee!
@TheeHeretical I am but a mere man and came into existence at conception. Your foolish words belong to only you. "Weeeeeeeeeeeee!"? Have you got a mouse in your pocket or are you a mouse? LOL!
This stuff is not that difficult. You merely choose to misidentify yourself as ONLY separate. So you are unique? Ok.
But had you been born from a vacuum into a vacuum, perhaps "merely" would apply...
The very components of your body can be traced back billions of years, and once existed independently; e.g. mitochondria. "Merely"; a tiny dot on what you really are.
@TheeHeretical Yes, I came in to existence at conception, but I was born some 57 years ago.
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things (1 Corinthians 13:11).
Don't you think that it is about time that you become a man instead of a little sissy fagot?
I wasn't name calling nor was I directing bad thoughts toward you or anyone. We were having a philosophical conversation until you started talking EXACTLY like the adolescent rednecks talk to people when they are about 14 years old.
I kid you not, same exact words; "little sissy fagot".
@TheeHeretical You said "Perhaps I should offer you a bottle instead." insinuating that I was a mere baby which I am not. You were the one attempting to have "a philosophical conversation" mixed with insult with me to which I did not submit to your so-called "philosophical conversation", but instead chose to follow your cue with a much bolder insult than you. Be a man a take your due medicine! You were not having "a philosophical conversation" with me.
EXAMPLE: "J. S. Bach is God; the savior of mankind
He wrote lots of one notes, which made patterns of "one" phrase, section piece, collections, library. "Three in one", four in one, 3+3=6="One" number "6". 8 groups of 6; "one" group of 48. All are parts, all are wholes. This paradox IS God.
All surf the present moment, eternally, one moment of many "one" moments.
Search and hear God; J.S. Bach: Toccata in F major BWV 540 (M.C. Alain)"
Go and worship your "God" and leave me alone child!
Saying "Bach is God" is not really different than saying "Jesus is God". I was being facetious...sort of. From my point of view both statements are both true and false. Even though I hold both of these human beings up as some of my highest human idols, they were not "exclusively" God, but manifestations of God just as all of life IS, including you and me. "As you do unto the least you do unto me". Matthew 25:40. Here's to you Frank, this time we've spent; blessings of Yahweh.
@TheeHeretical Yes, I agree! "Saying "Bach is God" is not really different than saying "Jesus is God". Both statements are nothing but pure foolishness either way.
Seriously Frank. you owe nothing of "who you are" to the past?
I teach my kids to thank God in a general sense but also to "thank the hands" of all (like yourself') who labor and who literally provide us the necessities of life. It is the struggling of the living, through the ages who should be lifted up, even if you won't thank the Earth itself. Thankfulness is acknowledgment of ALL the connections. You'd rather be all alone and more finite than you have to be...than you are.
@TheeHeretical Like I'm going to that the Earth as is it is actually going to hear me! LOL! And whatever the hell else you have said as if it is supposed to mean anything to me! LOL!
Secondable we have to read all the passages in context. So if in 1 verse JEsus claimed that he doent do something on his own will, we can cannot accept another verse that claimes that he does. So we have to reject both or accept one. Or we can accept the one that is treu and that is that Jesus can't do nothing of his own. JEsus pbuh is created and God is not. In noway is Jesus pbuh equal to God the uncreated.
Jesus pbuh never lied, but the people twisted the stories to fit tther own policies. Thats what happened. We can investigate the bible in total. The theologians said, maybe there is 20% truth. And than will be 80% invented lies by the authors. I say authors, because almost all the writers are unknown.
Peace be upon You.
I'm very pleased to see you have a drive for your religion, but I hope you will investigate your religion and come to Islam
Then show me when and where these twistings took place? The writers of the New Testemant were known to the Church. The Historical references Check out & the scientific data matches. Plus we have documents dating back to the 1st century + the Early Church Fathers And the consistant Witness of The Holy Spirit Whom Jesus said would come and has into my life and He has shown me that The Koran and The Bible Don't match and it is not the Bible that is in error! If you prove God wrong I'll submit!
'then show me when and where these twistings took place'
i would recommend finding the orginal language in which Jesus(pbuh) spoke, then finding the exact translations of the bible from that language. you will see that the words from the original have been changed tramendously. for example, some versus of the bible, the word 'God' has been changed to 'Father' etc. thats just a simple example, there are tons..
As someone who knows Greek, more than me as you have obviously read them, can you tell me where to look then? I have two Greek texts plus Strongs and I have several English Translations of The Bible including the King James, New American Standard, New Living Translation and even the Heretical New Word Translation which does bend the Texts to try and prove Jesus is not God. Please Tell me where I should be looking as you seem to know, then I will know the truth and the truth will set me free.
Just you show me where these errors or twistings are and I'll look at them. But if you make the claim then the burdon to provide evidence it is on you. So please give me a springboard from where to start.
go to my account, then go to my favorites, the 3rd video down, entitled 'who wrote the Bible' watch all the parts. this research is done by a Christian, going around he world, to find out who wrote/changed the Bible. listen/see what the High Christian scholars have to say. you dont have to take my word for it -_-
OK, just got to the second part of the programme and already I understand where this guy is coming from. Firstly I would definately like to buy the cars and the beers within the tv commercials during the programme. But on an accodemic note, this guy has waited until he cast doubt on the historical evidence of Scripture before he has examined The text itself.. Incidently has also trashed Abraham and Ismael too. He came at Gen 1 & 2 as a westener would and concluded they are 2 accounts. Wrong!
The guy makes a fundimental error and does not look at the evidence of other Chapters. He''l be saying that Cain And Able were false as They were the 2nd people but Cain married, and he'd use that as an argument. Still after part 2 I am equally convinced now that I can't trust the Koran Either as the Account of Abraham has been trashed by this programme when The Koran calls on the OT for it's justification so the Koran is doubtfull too!
The programme 'Who wrote the Bible?' is not based on faith or historical facts, he goes to the people who have got views that go against the rest of history and then concludes them as authoritive. Just like the Human Jesus Videos, they have a set agender, slag off Clergy then not once go to a clergyman for a qoute but to laity who don't know the theology in order to make them look like fools. The Presenter did not even look comfortable in his mum's Church during worship. Was he Born Again?
Lets get back to Jesus shall we? He goes to these other smal church groups who imply that other gospels were written. Yes they were! Even St Paul said that there were different Gospels and different Jesus's! So did it ever cross your mind that the reason these texts did not make the Bible was because they were not in harmony with The rest of it due to promoting a different Jesus? A son of a Roman Soldier perhaps?
"i would recommend finding the orginal language in which Jesus(pbuh) spoke"
Shame that was not the starting point of the guy in the "Who wrote the Bible?" videos. The guy is a higher Critic, he's dealing with English Translations and responding in the way a Western Scholar reads the text. He's not given any real insight into the history of the GREEK or HEBREW! and you encourage me to believe from this that The Words of Jesus have been twisted? You and He need to read it!
Thank you that you see my drive for my religion to be a good thing. When I was examining the world religions as to which to follow I was passionate about it. I gave 100% to trying to find out the reality. But when I met Jesus Christ I realized that if I ran after what was not true with so much energy, how could I not put the same energy into this relationship with Jesus Christ?
Can I ask you this then, Let's not go into the God, Son of God debate lets just say we both look at him from our own viewpoints then examine these words of his.
In John 5 Jesus said all judgement was given to the Son (Jesus) so that he might be receive equal honour to The Father(God).
The great problemwith trintarians is that they claim that jesus pbuh have said so, but this is not treu only others claim that jesus is devine. Jesus himself said 84 times in the bible that he is not god and others in the bible say including Pauli told Jesus is devine.
Who would we believe the others of Jesus.
Jesus pbuh knows best what he reffered himself as son of man, others refer him as son of god.
Were the diciples liars too? John20:28Thomas called Jesus "His God" and Jesus said ' your blessed but even more blessed are those who have not seen yet believe what you believe!'
John 8 Jesus claims to be The "I AM" John 5 Jesus says that He is entitled to the same honour as The Father.
John 9 Jesus is publicly worshipped and accepts it!
The Jews made it very clear that they wanted Jesus dead because HE claimed to be equal with The Father!
I like what He said to The Jews and it can be said to Ismael's sons and daughters too: "If you claim to be decended from Abraham, then do the deeds of Abraham."
Moses Wrote about Jesus, Abraham saw Jesus' day and was Glad. Before Abraham was born, Jesus was God (John8:58)
I don't know by islamic standards who the bigger liar is: Trinitarians or Jesus?
it's amazing how many religions will unite to challenge Christianity and the Deity of Christ. even if they will dispute against each, when the subject of Who is Jesus comes up, there is unity! Only The Christians are left out in the cold! Jesus truly is the divider o the Nations, The Sword that divides assunder!
Having read some about Unitarianism but not having spoken to any, it certainly was an eyeopener to me about how they put into practice what they believe what they think of Christians and how little they actually know about Christian beliefs!
The Trouble with Unitarians is, like non Christian religions using the Bible, They qoute the passages where Jesus does not appear to claim to be God then ignore those where He does and where his disciples acknowledge Him as God too! lIKE jOHN 1:1 AND jOHN 20:28 for example.
I also notice that they are very critical of the Christian Clergy, but it is the laymen, The Churchgoer, if you like, that they interview. It would have been more interesting to see this guy interview some pastors or scholars because with him being involved in the teaching of Unitarianism it comes across as if they are trying to show that "Christians" don't know what they believe or why when the agenda has been set before the interview was made.
Jesus was a person with good words, who got turned to a God by the people.
Good words are good words; secular or religious.
PacificCircle1 1 week ago
christianity is just another human worshipping group. like all the others that say theres is real. jesus was VOTED as god in 325ad in nicea, wen the bible was put together wen they chose 73 books out of thousand s of diff gospels they had. god dint tell them wich books were real or not. nor did god tell the protestants to form ther own church and bibles
mrlogicalman1 2 months ago
All religions in my opinion came from the minds of human beings on this planet and not from any stimuli from out of this world.
feckintoad01 9 months ago
Interesting subject, but the sound is so horrible that it is headache inducing.
DontFriendInviteMe 1 year ago 4
Jesus is not a God.Its just ridiculous to believe so
zoehanson999 1 year ago
These authors seem incapable of conceiving the concept of paradox.
J. S. Bach is God; the savior of mankind
He wrote lots of one notes, which made patterns of "one" phrase, section piece, collections, library. "Three in one", four in one, 3+3=6="One" number "6". 8 groups of 6; "one" group of 48. All are parts, all are wholes. This paradox IS God.
All surf the present moment, eternally, one moment of many "one" moments.
Search and hear God; J.S. Bach: Toccata in F major BWV 540 (M.C. Alain)
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
please subtittle spanish
Mordekaiy 1 year ago
Jesus is Lord God Almighty. The Prophets wrote of Him. When He was transfigured we saw beside Him Law and the Prophet that testified of Him and will be a witness of Him to this unbeliving world on the day of his Wrath. Behold, when Jesus goes to Battle against those who hate Him, even Babylon the Great Rev 17:5, His Vestment will be dipped in BLOOD Rev 19:16, Isa 63: 2-3, All MUST know He is the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KIINGS Rev 19:16, Dan 10:6 even those who pierced Him, Psa 68.
askonething 1 year ago
The subject is ancient. It is a healthy thought and articulation by disciples as part of the building up of their confidence.
RoundRockMinistry 1 year ago
test
lom30 1 year ago
jesus states that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds....this is a blatant fallacy. the mustard seed is not even close, there are orchiids in the rain forest with seeds 1/20 the size of the mustard seed.
telfabot 1 year ago
yep no pre-existence for Jesus. Only one invisible G-d.
Yirmeyahu23 2 years ago 2
"Jesus IS God!" is one of the most foolish doctrines among Christian religions!
Frank4YAHWEH 2 years ago 2
@Frank4YAHWEH
Of course Jesus is God and so are you, so are all of us. Who else could we be???? God playing with himself! Inside is out. Upside is down. The first is last. A house of mirrors. God is such a liar!! But how else could He believe the illusion if it wasn't "realistic"? The Sun shines unabashedly with love and hate.
Go ahead say it; "I AM GOD". Doesn't it feel good? And there truly is only "one" God. Not Trinity but Milenity, Infinity. "ME" everywhere....WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
@TheeHeretical I am not a "God" or a "God" worshiper. Yes, you certainly are "TheHeretical"! The moniker you have chosen for yourself fits great!
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
@Frank4YAHWEH What are you then?
A molecule? A cell? Five fingers? Two Hands? One body? One family? One Star, four universes? When did "you" begin? At conception? At birth? At big bang? When will you end Mr. Moment? What are you without the moment that we both share? The same moment that will be here long after the other "you/me" are dried an gone? Are you one or three or infinity? Are you true or paradox? Stop, I command. Never think of these words again, they belong to weeeeeeeeeeeee!
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
@TheeHeretical I am but a mere man and came into existence at conception. Your foolish words belong to only you. "Weeeeeeeeeeeee!"? Have you got a mouse in your pocket or are you a mouse? LOL!
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
@Frank4YAHWEH "came into existence at conception".
You really are a babe then.
Perhaps I should offer you a bottle instead.
This stuff is not that difficult. You merely choose to misidentify yourself as ONLY separate. So you are unique? Ok.
But had you been born from a vacuum into a vacuum, perhaps "merely" would apply...
The very components of your body can be traced back billions of years, and once existed independently; e.g. mitochondria. "Merely"; a tiny dot on what you really are.
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
@TheeHeretical Yes, I came in to existence at conception, but I was born some 57 years ago.
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things (1 Corinthians 13:11).
Don't you think that it is about time that you become a man instead of a little sissy fagot?
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
@Frank4YAHWEH
I wasn't name calling nor was I directing bad thoughts toward you or anyone. We were having a philosophical conversation until you started talking EXACTLY like the adolescent rednecks talk to people when they are about 14 years old.
I kid you not, same exact words; "little sissy fagot".
Adults don't talk that way Frank; grow up.
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
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Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
@TheeHeretical You said "Perhaps I should offer you a bottle instead." insinuating that I was a mere baby which I am not. You were the one attempting to have "a philosophical conversation" mixed with insult with me to which I did not submit to your so-called "philosophical conversation", but instead chose to follow your cue with a much bolder insult than you. Be a man a take your due medicine! You were not having "a philosophical conversation" with me.
Continued ...
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
Your conversation was only one sided and certainly not philosophical. It was more of a ranting of a lunatic.
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
EXAMPLE: "J. S. Bach is God; the savior of mankind
He wrote lots of one notes, which made patterns of "one" phrase, section piece, collections, library. "Three in one", four in one, 3+3=6="One" number "6". 8 groups of 6; "one" group of 48. All are parts, all are wholes. This paradox IS God.
All surf the present moment, eternally, one moment of many "one" moments.
Search and hear God; J.S. Bach: Toccata in F major BWV 540 (M.C. Alain)"
Go and worship your "God" and leave me alone child!
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
@Frank4YAHWEH
Saying "Bach is God" is not really different than saying "Jesus is God". I was being facetious...sort of. From my point of view both statements are both true and false. Even though I hold both of these human beings up as some of my highest human idols, they were not "exclusively" God, but manifestations of God just as all of life IS, including you and me. "As you do unto the least you do unto me". Matthew 25:40. Here's to you Frank, this time we've spent; blessings of Yahweh.
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
@TheeHeretical Yes, I agree! "Saying "Bach is God" is not really different than saying "Jesus is God". Both statements are nothing but pure foolishness either way.
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
@Frank4YAHWEH
Seriously Frank. you owe nothing of "who you are" to the past?
I teach my kids to thank God in a general sense but also to "thank the hands" of all (like yourself') who labor and who literally provide us the necessities of life. It is the struggling of the living, through the ages who should be lifted up, even if you won't thank the Earth itself. Thankfulness is acknowledgment of ALL the connections. You'd rather be all alone and more finite than you have to be...than you are.
TheeHeretical 1 year ago
@TheeHeretical Like I'm going to that the Earth as is it is actually going to hear me! LOL! And whatever the hell else you have said as if it is supposed to mean anything to me! LOL!
Frank4YAHWEH 1 year ago
Jesus was a monotheist [Mar 12.29, c. 60-70AD] not a trinitarian [Nicea Creed, 325AD].
EbenezerSydney 2 years ago 3
Firstable the writer of John is unknown.
Secondable we have to read all the passages in context. So if in 1 verse JEsus claimed that he doent do something on his own will, we can cannot accept another verse that claimes that he does. So we have to reject both or accept one. Or we can accept the one that is treu and that is that Jesus can't do nothing of his own. JEsus pbuh is created and God is not. In noway is Jesus pbuh equal to God the uncreated.
abuadam10 3 years ago 3
Thanks for your response. I'd like to ask that we look at the 2 points you made one by one.
1st to John being Unknown, can you say what you mean by that?
2nd point can you give some examples please? (I think I know where you may point at but give the example's anyway and I'll address them!)
Thanks
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Talk about 'Set Agendas'!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
JAZAK ALLAH KHAYR for uploading this! GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!
madina55 3 years ago
Jesus never claimed hes God and please when you are refering to your bible finish te text too, than you will understand,.
Jesus is a Prophet of God, JEsus is the Mesiah,.
abuadam10 3 years ago 3
Then can you trust a Prophet who would lie?
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Jesus pbuh never lied, but the people twisted the stories to fit tther own policies. Thats what happened. We can investigate the bible in total. The theologians said, maybe there is 20% truth. And than will be 80% invented lies by the authors. I say authors, because almost all the writers are unknown.
Peace be upon You.
I'm very pleased to see you have a drive for your religion, but I hope you will investigate your religion and come to Islam
abuadam10 3 years ago
Then show me when and where these twistings took place? The writers of the New Testemant were known to the Church. The Historical references Check out & the scientific data matches. Plus we have documents dating back to the 1st century + the Early Church Fathers And the consistant Witness of The Holy Spirit Whom Jesus said would come and has into my life and He has shown me that The Koran and The Bible Don't match and it is not the Bible that is in error! If you prove God wrong I'll submit!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
'then show me when and where these twistings took place'
i would recommend finding the orginal language in which Jesus(pbuh) spoke, then finding the exact translations of the bible from that language. you will see that the words from the original have been changed tramendously. for example, some versus of the bible, the word 'God' has been changed to 'Father' etc. thats just a simple example, there are tons..
now go and search..
faheemthedream2007 3 years ago
As someone who knows Greek, more than me as you have obviously read them, can you tell me where to look then? I have two Greek texts plus Strongs and I have several English Translations of The Bible including the King James, New American Standard, New Living Translation and even the Heretical New Word Translation which does bend the Texts to try and prove Jesus is not God. Please Tell me where I should be looking as you seem to know, then I will know the truth and the truth will set me free.
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Just you show me where these errors or twistings are and I'll look at them. But if you make the claim then the burdon to provide evidence it is on you. So please give me a springboard from where to start.
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
LOOK! 2 negative ratings and no one says why!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
go to my account, then go to my favorites, the 3rd video down, entitled 'who wrote the Bible' watch all the parts. this research is done by a Christian, going around he world, to find out who wrote/changed the Bible. listen/see what the High Christian scholars have to say. you dont have to take my word for it -_-
faheemthedream2007 3 years ago
Thanks will do.
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
OK, just got to the second part of the programme and already I understand where this guy is coming from. Firstly I would definately like to buy the cars and the beers within the tv commercials during the programme. But on an accodemic note, this guy has waited until he cast doubt on the historical evidence of Scripture before he has examined The text itself.. Incidently has also trashed Abraham and Ismael too. He came at Gen 1 & 2 as a westener would and concluded they are 2 accounts. Wrong!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
The guy makes a fundimental error and does not look at the evidence of other Chapters. He''l be saying that Cain And Able were false as They were the 2nd people but Cain married, and he'd use that as an argument. Still after part 2 I am equally convinced now that I can't trust the Koran Either as the Account of Abraham has been trashed by this programme when The Koran calls on the OT for it's justification so the Koran is doubtfull too!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
The programme 'Who wrote the Bible?' is not based on faith or historical facts, he goes to the people who have got views that go against the rest of history and then concludes them as authoritive. Just like the Human Jesus Videos, they have a set agender, slag off Clergy then not once go to a clergyman for a qoute but to laity who don't know the theology in order to make them look like fools. The Presenter did not even look comfortable in his mum's Church during worship. Was he Born Again?
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Lets get back to Jesus shall we? He goes to these other smal church groups who imply that other gospels were written. Yes they were! Even St Paul said that there were different Gospels and different Jesus's! So did it ever cross your mind that the reason these texts did not make the Bible was because they were not in harmony with The rest of it due to promoting a different Jesus? A son of a Roman Soldier perhaps?
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
You also said
"i would recommend finding the orginal language in which Jesus(pbuh) spoke"
Shame that was not the starting point of the guy in the "Who wrote the Bible?" videos. The guy is a higher Critic, he's dealing with English Translations and responding in the way a Western Scholar reads the text. He's not given any real insight into the history of the GREEK or HEBREW! and you encourage me to believe from this that The Words of Jesus have been twisted? You and He need to read it!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Thank you that you see my drive for my religion to be a good thing. When I was examining the world religions as to which to follow I was passionate about it. I gave 100% to trying to find out the reality. But when I met Jesus Christ I realized that if I ran after what was not true with so much energy, how could I not put the same energy into this relationship with Jesus Christ?
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Can I ask you this then, Let's not go into the God, Son of God debate lets just say we both look at him from our own viewpoints then examine these words of his.
In John 5 Jesus said all judgement was given to the Son (Jesus) so that he might be receive equal honour to The Father(God).
Do you give Jesus equal honour to the Father?
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
The great problemwith trintarians is that they claim that jesus pbuh have said so, but this is not treu only others claim that jesus is devine. Jesus himself said 84 times in the bible that he is not god and others in the bible say including Pauli told Jesus is devine.
Who would we believe the others of Jesus.
Jesus pbuh knows best what he reffered himself as son of man, others refer him as son of god.
Why ? Why this big Lie?
abuadam10 3 years ago
Were the diciples liars too? John20:28Thomas called Jesus "His God" and Jesus said ' your blessed but even more blessed are those who have not seen yet believe what you believe!'
John 8 Jesus claims to be The "I AM" John 5 Jesus says that He is entitled to the same honour as The Father.
John 9 Jesus is publicly worshipped and accepts it!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
The Jews made it very clear that they wanted Jesus dead because HE claimed to be equal with The Father!
I like what He said to The Jews and it can be said to Ismael's sons and daughters too: "If you claim to be decended from Abraham, then do the deeds of Abraham."
Moses Wrote about Jesus, Abraham saw Jesus' day and was Glad. Before Abraham was born, Jesus was God (John8:58)
I don't know by islamic standards who the bigger liar is: Trinitarians or Jesus?
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Its good to see Prof. Anthony Buzzard in this documentary..thx for sharing
MuslimByChoice 3 years ago 2
Hope this series serves as an eyeopener to all the Christians.
eyeopener1234 3 years ago 3
No, especially when people misrepresent the bible aswell as misunderstand the concept of the trinity.
Juliocyp 3 years ago
Amen!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
it's amazing how many religions will unite to challenge Christianity and the Deity of Christ. even if they will dispute against each, when the subject of Who is Jesus comes up, there is unity! Only The Christians are left out in the cold! Jesus truly is the divider o the Nations, The Sword that divides assunder!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Having read some about Unitarianism but not having spoken to any, it certainly was an eyeopener to me about how they put into practice what they believe what they think of Christians and how little they actually know about Christian beliefs!
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
The Trouble with Unitarians is, like non Christian religions using the Bible, They qoute the passages where Jesus does not appear to claim to be God then ignore those where He does and where his disciples acknowledge Him as God too! lIKE jOHN 1:1 AND jOHN 20:28 for example.
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
I think its cause its open to interpretation
superMKcool 3 years ago
OK, then lets look at John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God!"
John 20:28 "Thomas answered and said to Him 'My Lord and my God' (NASB)
So what is the interpretation you give to these statements? Look at them in context and please share you thoughts.
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
Oh okay i will let check tht out thnks
superMKcool 3 years ago
Cool
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago
I also notice that they are very critical of the Christian Clergy, but it is the laymen, The Churchgoer, if you like, that they interview. It would have been more interesting to see this guy interview some pastors or scholars because with him being involved in the teaching of Unitarianism it comes across as if they are trying to show that "Christians" don't know what they believe or why when the agenda has been set before the interview was made.
REVPIPSTER 3 years ago