now we have a mixed race president who insists on being called ''black''. also tiger woods, halley berry, vanessa williams. first BLACK to win the masters, first BLACK to win an oscar, and first BLACK miss america. it seems the tables have been turned. mullattos used to want to be white and now they want to be black. because of media propaganda.
My great grandfather was Louis DeRochemont who produced this film. We've got the doctor's license plate that was used in the movie. Such a good and meaningful film!
The african american community has the mindset of light skin is better to this day. It used to be called " the brown paper bag test". There has always exsisted prejudice within its own community based on(lighter vs. darker). This became ingrained in the mindset of many generations, yet offended by those that could "pass", , Still remains in Alabama today in all generations & economic backgrounds. Have bi-racial child who is proud to be in own racial category,not 2 choose just 1.
Sadly I don't have any photos. Dr Johnston Son is still alive and he lives on Massachusetts.. I was never very close to him. you can find the son, Paul Johnston on facebook.. he may have pics. I can tell you, Mel did not look anything like the real DR!! Dr Johnston was light skinned, light eyes, cute in an elfish way.. sweet man!!
CAN ANY ONE PLEASE UPLOAD THIS MOVIE CALLED (I PASSED FOR WHITE 1960) I really want to see it and i bet alot of other people want to so if any can put it on youtube that would be great.
it more than just skin color with racial passing its the way your face looks like i have seen people lighter than me but they couldnt pass because in there face they look black adn there hair. in my face i dont have black features so people cant tell wether im black or white or spanish. the only black feature i have to proof im black is my hair that is it but people say my hair doesnt look black. mostly i get mistaken for hispanic or white.
So sad. But as a black person, I don't blame people who have been brought up in a racist environment from having certain views and thoughts.
It is a sad fact of humanity that we can be so cruel to one another and do and say horrible things.
There are many EVIL people, but man who are just ignorant and don't really know people of other races and fear and dislike based on what they have been brought up to believe. I just pray for them and show them positivity so they can learn better.
If you are going to upload this you might as well upload the whole fucking thing shannontheguy and the actor who plays scott is hispanic and not white and he is cuban. most of hispanics are so light they look white. and if anyone could upload the movie thats rare "i passed for white" please
The black race provides the race, where ALL people of black descent (including white-looking blacks) can find each other and socialize and network--as they did in the past. Being white-looking and black is nothing new and not a novelty, as some today try to make it out to be. As a matter of fact, years ago light-skinned /white-looking blacks were much more commonplace, and yet considered Negro. The one drop rule unites all blacks and helps keep RACISTS from dismantling our race.
Decades ago some light-skinned blacks "passed" for white because of institutionalized racism that was deeply ingrained in society. Therefore, they did it MOSTLY for economic advantages. The reason for doing that today have been mostly removed. There's no longer any acceptable reason for a light-skinned black to pass for "white". Also, if most bi-racial light-skinned blacks passed today, we would disappear into racial oblivion and not be able to find each other, as we can today among blacks.
@DiamondHead5 you really believe they were actually Black? people who passed were quadroons or octoroons, not mulattoes, they would be White in todays society, blah, thats what they are
@Rockstafeller thats not true. Black people come in all shades and do not necessarily have to be a mulatto or any weird classification. In actuality most African Americans have about 23 percent european ancestry with another 10 percent having 50 or more percent. Anyways my point being that even the blackest of the blackest black can produce a white person. Look up Sandra laing. In today's society ONE DROP RULE...if you are 1/10 black you are black. This is America.
Quadroons, octoroons, mulattoes--percentage was the one thing that truly didn't matter. In society of that time frame, people who were known to descend from African-Americans were considered Black themselves, regardless of their complexion.The former head of the NAACP, Walter White, appeared White. His father looked white and his mother was more clearly Black.The Whites of his town wanted to attack his family and destroy their home because they owned a nice house.
@RETROGEMS "In society of that time frame, people who were known to descend from African-Americans were considered Black themselves, regardless of their complexion". - well certainly if you look like india arie just with pale skin you wont be treated any different. key is "people who were known to descend from African-Americans were considered Black themselves", thats why i said LEGALLY negro, their STATUS was black, but they weren't so themselves.
"well certainly if you look like india arie just with pale skin you wont be treated any different." My dear, you need to brush up on Black studies and U.S. history--anyone with known Black heritage and/or showing any sign of such were considered Black and treated accordingly.They did not have to look100% African in features.You can argue that these people weren't "actually" Black, but who made anyone anywhere the arbiter of Blackness? They, arguably, lived the Black experience.
You're not used to your line of reasoning being questioned that often, are you? Otherwise, you would have more to offer than an easily debatable, circular line of reasoning. What you're presenting as fact, is in actuality, your personal opinion on what and what does not constitute Blackness. You've apparently set aside an arbitrary "cut off" date for Blackness according to degrees and percentage and you're under the misguided conclusion that these factors is ALL that Blackness is
...MY perspective is that Blackness is more than 'genetics', more than 'blood quantum', and more than lightness of hue. It is the culture, it is the family ties--family is VERY important--it is the self-identity of these individuals and it is the experience. If you happen to be mixed-race yourself, perhaps I can see why you're making such a hard point of 'distinction'. However, I am also of mixed blood and I represent myself as part of the tapestry of what Black America is and always has been.
@RETROGEMS of course now mulattoes transformed into "lightskins" and genuinely believe the only difference between them and actual blacks is light skin and that blacks really do come in all shapes.
"of course now mulattoes transformed into "lightskins"" LOL. My dear, have you actually created a new language? "Lightskins"? My oh my, there is a proper term for people of lighter complexion and Black heritage and that's called 'lightskinned Black'. Me, I am Black and Italian with a few other European ethnicities.On any given day, I consider myself Mixed-race, light-skinned Black, Biracial, and African-American. It's all part of the tapestry and nothing to stress over. ;-)
@34099832 that is normal. look up sandra liang a black girl born to two white persons. Black genes are really amazing. My father is african and my mom is a multiracial person. You should see my brothers and sisters. No one thinks were related
@34099832 Interesting that you should consider yourself "very lightskinned" when you're as dark as you are (visible despite a bright light on you in your vids). Women lighterskinned than you could easily think the same of you...that you're too darkskinned to date. Why would you refer to someone as being "burned" black? You really think you can afford to do that? In fact, no one can.
i have seen this little mulatto girl who name is lana parson the daughter of kryon parson and daughter is pale white with blonde hair and blue eyes and her father is german and white. they also say her mother was also a mulattos. but she is so damn pale its not funny she is paler than normal white people. her mother is black
people back then just like this family today have been doing the same thing. like having sex with other very fair skinned blacks to have another fair skinned black baby that looks white. or a mixed person would have sex with another mixed person so there baby can turn out white. that family all looked white thats how they passed they had a tradition to make there skin light and carry it on.
What I dont understand is why biracial (half black) people get so mad when a biracial person is portryed as black on television, like in black movies and stuff
Interesting story. It reminds me of my fathers family. He had several siblings that passed. I'm very curious as to what happened to my cousins and if they know they are Black.
My father raised my siblings and me away from his family because he didn't want us to have racial hangups.
So interesting but I'm wondering are the actors in the movie really mixed in real life? or they just use real white actors to potray mixed folks.The actors do look mixed although they are actors.
Well my mom married into this family. The "Dr" sured looked white to us kids (we are Irish) he had blue eyes and had a very light complexion.Still he was denied an education as there was a drop of black blood there..
@shannontheguy Thank you for posting! Wow! This is a classic for sure. These are things our parents discussed, but it is interesting to see the family dynamics when it comes to passing. Race and class are still issues within the black community. I am currently dealing with it from my 17 year old. Not taught at home, It is very interesting. Pray it is a phase!
It's still an issue. My life was greatly impacted b/c of race. I lost my ex fiancee b/c her parents found out I was mulatto. Her daughter had passe me as cuban and they liked me. I didn't know she passed me off as cuban.
Blame society. Set him straight and teach him to be proud of his heritage. Society has a way of making you feel you need to identify as only one race and not be proud of being mixed race.
Cubans are black, whether they like it or not. The Cubans discriminate against the the darker Cubans. Ignorant...F$%$s! How did she think being Cuban is better?
@neelyohara2004 hey do you think you can post some pictures of Dr. Albert C. Johnston and his family so i can really see what he looked like and a lot other people can see. if you can get ahold of the pictures.
This posting is amazing. I never hard of the movie "Lost Boundies". I know about the other movies; "The human stain", "Black like me ", "pinky", "Imitation of life", but Lost boundies is new to me. Thanks for posting it.
the world looks at us . ameerica the free... superiority of color is division. we are all here together and america if we stand together and stop this nonsense. if a white is mixed and wont acknowledge the black blood and are predudice like so many people are (show boat a cinema disaster)then that means they hate a relative or a part of what they are.. this is a sad and rediculous mind set. driven by evil..does not make sense.
nope..back in those days if they found out you had some black blood in you then you were one dropped as a negro (old black term). They don't even mention bi-racial or mulatto in the entire film.
They were sweating bullets when the nurse brought the baby in LMAO! There is a guy on my myspace list from Lousiana that had family that changed their name and passed as white, they disowned the black family. Crazy!
@shannontheguy he wasnt biracial or a mulatto... he is white, only legally "negro". yo cant name someone mulatto without no limitation. 7/8 white = white
You sound like this racial identity thing matters a LOT. What does it matter if a person of this background is considered "white", "black", "mulatto", or polka dot? Being Black isn't going to negatively influence someone's economic stability and quality of life as much as it once did. What's "white" anyway and how does it matter to be considered such compared to anything else? It's totally unimportant.
@RETROGEMS what identity? THAT'S unimportant. identity is by definition subjective, go get a DNA test if you dont know what you are. and what confuses you about "white" exactly/
If identity is subjective, the it truly doesn't matter whether these kinds of folks are considered white OR black. Why are you making such a hard point of these people being white and only being considered white? If individuals like the the family in "Lost Boundaries" and others similar in background consider themselves White, then fine, it's who they feel they are. Likewise, if there are people like these who feel themselves Black--fine as well. It doesn't matter.
"and what confuses you about "white" exactly/"As for what confuses me--absolutely nothing.My question about the definition of "whiteness" was rhetorical. As much as I don't believe there is any definite "arbiter" for Blackness, I don't believe there's any definite "arbiter" for Whiteness. What constitutes "whiteness"?A culture, a way of life, an experience?Only an idiot would think it's solely genetics.There shouldn't be a rigid cut-off date according to percentage.Ridiculous.
The Black experience AND the White experience are essentially much more than how much european ancestry or black ancestry an individual has. Racial identity is more fluid and complex than that. A person who one absolutely considers "white" without a doubt, could be living in his heart and mind a distinctly non "white" experience because of their culture, upbringing, family tree, and perspective.Anyone who would try to argue that person down and label them otherwise is seriously lacking in sense.
There is nothing confusing about White people with Black status in Jim Crow. They still had primarily European ancestry. Just with Black status/experience.
One person says it is solely genetics, another person says that racial identity is more intricate than that. Who's to say you're right and another is wrong? As I said, many view racial identity as more fluid and complex than how light complected an individual is or how much percentage or "degrees" of blackness they have. You call them "white people with black status" and others call them light-skinned Black people and mixed-race people.Again, who's to say you're right?
@RETROGEMS " You call them "white people with black status" and others call them light-skinned Black people and mixed-race people.Again, who's to say you're right?" - obviously i am right and its self-evident. i dont see a purpose in calling 90% white person "lightskinned", since no person with common sense will expect one with such dominant european ancestry to be chocolate-y obviously.
@RETROGEMS What the hell is white upbringing? Funny how Black Americans generally find it offensive when someone views things like baggy clothing or speaking slang or, damn, even eating chicken as "black", but it doesn't work in reverse.
What the "hell" is white upbringing? Well, sir, don't you know since you seem to know everything there is? Amongst other socio-economic factors, a white upbringing in general does not encompass the experience of institutionalized and historic discrimination based on skin color and race such as it has with minority groupings. A white upbringing even in the 21st century is very often the experience of privilege in a variety of forms.Even for fair mixed people, it not the same.
now we have a mixed race president who insists on being called ''black''. also tiger woods, halley berry, vanessa williams. first BLACK to win the masters, first BLACK to win an oscar, and first BLACK miss america. it seems the tables have been turned. mullattos used to want to be white and now they want to be black. because of media propaganda.
capacola262743 1 month ago
My great grandfather was Louis DeRochemont who produced this film. We've got the doctor's license plate that was used in the movie. Such a good and meaningful film!
pimpcronus 4 months ago
The african american community has the mindset of light skin is better to this day. It used to be called " the brown paper bag test". There has always exsisted prejudice within its own community based on(lighter vs. darker). This became ingrained in the mindset of many generations, yet offended by those that could "pass", , Still remains in Alabama today in all generations & economic backgrounds. Have bi-racial child who is proud to be in own racial category,not 2 choose just 1.
kbbels 7 months ago
why the ol head put on his glasses..as to say WHAT PUT ON MY DAMN GLASSES HE GOTTA BE KIDDIN LOOOL
Dablkwid0w2008 9 months ago
wow he came right out and told him
Dablkwid0w2008 9 months ago
blacks have a lot of racial mixing and sometimes dont know it.
34099832 1 year ago
Sadly I don't have any photos. Dr Johnston Son is still alive and he lives on Massachusetts.. I was never very close to him. you can find the son, Paul Johnston on facebook.. he may have pics. I can tell you, Mel did not look anything like the real DR!! Dr Johnston was light skinned, light eyes, cute in an elfish way.. sweet man!!
neelyohara2004 1 year ago
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CAN ANY ONE PLEASE UPLOAD THIS MOVIE CALLED (I PASSED FOR WHITE 1960) I really want to see it and i bet alot of other people want to so if any can put it on youtube that would be great.
34099832 1 year ago
it more than just skin color with racial passing its the way your face looks like i have seen people lighter than me but they couldnt pass because in there face they look black adn there hair. in my face i dont have black features so people cant tell wether im black or white or spanish. the only black feature i have to proof im black is my hair that is it but people say my hair doesnt look black. mostly i get mistaken for hispanic or white.
34099832 1 year ago
So sad. But as a black person, I don't blame people who have been brought up in a racist environment from having certain views and thoughts.
It is a sad fact of humanity that we can be so cruel to one another and do and say horrible things.
There are many EVIL people, but man who are just ignorant and don't really know people of other races and fear and dislike based on what they have been brought up to believe. I just pray for them and show them positivity so they can learn better.
hihosilverlining2 1 year ago
If you are going to upload this you might as well upload the whole fucking thing shannontheguy and the actor who plays scott is hispanic and not white and he is cuban. most of hispanics are so light they look white. and if anyone could upload the movie thats rare "i passed for white" please
34099832 1 year ago
Remember Hitler?? He also hated anything that wasnt all White.
CRMunir1 1 year ago
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The black race provides the race, where ALL people of black descent (including white-looking blacks) can find each other and socialize and network--as they did in the past. Being white-looking and black is nothing new and not a novelty, as some today try to make it out to be. As a matter of fact, years ago light-skinned /white-looking blacks were much more commonplace, and yet considered Negro. The one drop rule unites all blacks and helps keep RACISTS from dismantling our race.
DiamondHead5 1 year ago
Decades ago some light-skinned blacks "passed" for white because of institutionalized racism that was deeply ingrained in society. Therefore, they did it MOSTLY for economic advantages. The reason for doing that today have been mostly removed. There's no longer any acceptable reason for a light-skinned black to pass for "white". Also, if most bi-racial light-skinned blacks passed today, we would disappear into racial oblivion and not be able to find each other, as we can today among blacks.
DiamondHead5 1 year ago
@DiamondHead5 you really believe they were actually Black? people who passed were quadroons or octoroons, not mulattoes, they would be White in todays society, blah, thats what they are
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller thats not true. Black people come in all shades and do not necessarily have to be a mulatto or any weird classification. In actuality most African Americans have about 23 percent european ancestry with another 10 percent having 50 or more percent. Anyways my point being that even the blackest of the blackest black can produce a white person. Look up Sandra laing. In today's society ONE DROP RULE...if you are 1/10 black you are black. This is America.
SoYahYah 1 year ago
@SoYahYah define Black
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller Everyone is black. We just don't know it yet.
SoYahYah 1 year ago
@SoYahYah okay then
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
Quadroons, octoroons, mulattoes--percentage was the one thing that truly didn't matter. In society of that time frame, people who were known to descend from African-Americans were considered Black themselves, regardless of their complexion.The former head of the NAACP, Walter White, appeared White. His father looked white and his mother was more clearly Black.The Whites of his town wanted to attack his family and destroy their home because they owned a nice house.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS "In society of that time frame, people who were known to descend from African-Americans were considered Black themselves, regardless of their complexion". - well certainly if you look like india arie just with pale skin you wont be treated any different. key is "people who were known to descend from African-Americans were considered Black themselves", thats why i said LEGALLY negro, their STATUS was black, but they weren't so themselves.
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
"well certainly if you look like india arie just with pale skin you wont be treated any different." My dear, you need to brush up on Black studies and U.S. history--anyone with known Black heritage and/or showing any sign of such were considered Black and treated accordingly.They did not have to look100% African in features.You can argue that these people weren't "actually" Black, but who made anyone anywhere the arbiter of Blackness? They, arguably, lived the Black experience.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS They weren't "actually Black", because they did not have significant African ancestry, simple.
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
You're not used to your line of reasoning being questioned that often, are you? Otherwise, you would have more to offer than an easily debatable, circular line of reasoning. What you're presenting as fact, is in actuality, your personal opinion on what and what does not constitute Blackness. You've apparently set aside an arbitrary "cut off" date for Blackness according to degrees and percentage and you're under the misguided conclusion that these factors is ALL that Blackness is
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
...MY perspective is that Blackness is more than 'genetics', more than 'blood quantum', and more than lightness of hue. It is the culture, it is the family ties--family is VERY important--it is the self-identity of these individuals and it is the experience. If you happen to be mixed-race yourself, perhaps I can see why you're making such a hard point of 'distinction'. However, I am also of mixed blood and I represent myself as part of the tapestry of what Black America is and always has been.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS of course now mulattoes transformed into "lightskins" and genuinely believe the only difference between them and actual blacks is light skin and that blacks really do come in all shapes.
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
"of course now mulattoes transformed into "lightskins"" LOL. My dear, have you actually created a new language? "Lightskins"? My oh my, there is a proper term for people of lighter complexion and Black heritage and that's called 'lightskinned Black'. Me, I am Black and Italian with a few other European ethnicities.On any given day, I consider myself Mixed-race, light-skinned Black, Biracial, and African-American. It's all part of the tapestry and nothing to stress over. ;-)
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@DiamondHead5 well sometimes people do it to fit in with there friends or because another reason. there is still racism todady.
34099832 1 year ago
Canada Lee a great man! there is no black and white with him just fair... compassion
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34099832 1 year ago
@34099832 that is normal. look up sandra liang a black girl born to two white persons. Black genes are really amazing. My father is african and my mom is a multiracial person. You should see my brothers and sisters. No one thinks were related
SoYahYah 1 year ago
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34099832 1 year ago
@34099832 Interesting that you should consider yourself "very lightskinned" when you're as dark as you are (visible despite a bright light on you in your vids). Women lighterskinned than you could easily think the same of you...that you're too darkskinned to date. Why would you refer to someone as being "burned" black? You really think you can afford to do that? In fact, no one can.
DiamondHead5 1 year ago
@34099832 burned?
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34099832 2 years ago
i have seen this little mulatto girl who name is lana parson the daughter of kryon parson and daughter is pale white with blonde hair and blue eyes and her father is german and white. they also say her mother was also a mulattos. but she is so damn pale its not funny she is paler than normal white people. her mother is black
34099832 2 years ago
fredi washington was as light skinned as them and people urged her to pass for white but she didnt she stayed as she was. im so proud of her
34099832 2 years ago
people back then just like this family today have been doing the same thing. like having sex with other very fair skinned blacks to have another fair skinned black baby that looks white. or a mixed person would have sex with another mixed person so there baby can turn out white. that family all looked white thats how they passed they had a tradition to make there skin light and carry it on.
34099832 2 years ago
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34099832 2 years ago
What I dont understand is why biracial (half black) people get so mad when a biracial person is portryed as black on television, like in black movies and stuff
they say its insulting
but if your both
what is wrong with being called one
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34099832 2 years ago
Interesting story. It reminds me of my fathers family. He had several siblings that passed. I'm very curious as to what happened to my cousins and if they know they are Black.
My father raised my siblings and me away from his family because he didn't want us to have racial hangups.
TruthFan 2 years ago
So interesting but I'm wondering are the actors in the movie really mixed in real life? or they just use real white actors to potray mixed folks.The actors do look mixed although they are actors.
retrojamaican 3 years ago 2
I amso inlove with Mel Ferrel...
He died june 2. 2008 and I dident even get a chance to met him, Argh!
helenajesstarzak 3 years ago
Well my mom married into this family. The "Dr" sured looked white to us kids (we are Irish) he had blue eyes and had a very light complexion.Still he was denied an education as there was a drop of black blood there..
neelyohara2004 3 years ago 4
You knew Dr. Albert C. Johnston ? The movie was based on his family.
shannontheguy 3 years ago 2
@shannontheguy Thank you for posting! Wow! This is a classic for sure. These are things our parents discussed, but it is interesting to see the family dynamics when it comes to passing. Race and class are still issues within the black community. I am currently dealing with it from my 17 year old. Not taught at home, It is very interesting. Pray it is a phase!
Angelscnbsexi2 2 years ago 2
It's still an issue. My life was greatly impacted b/c of race. I lost my ex fiancee b/c her parents found out I was mulatto. Her daughter had passe me as cuban and they liked me. I didn't know she passed me off as cuban.
shannontheguy 2 years ago
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Angelscnbsexi2 2 years ago
Blame society. Set him straight and teach him to be proud of his heritage. Society has a way of making you feel you need to identify as only one race and not be proud of being mixed race.
shannontheguy 2 years ago 2
@shannontheguy society is mistaken as a rule,
lorrainewands 1 year ago
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Angelscnbsexi2 2 years ago
@Angelscnbsexi2 Thank you....
Angelscnbsexi2 1 month ago
@shannontheguy
Cubans are black, whether they like it or not. The Cubans discriminate against the the darker Cubans. Ignorant...F$%$s! How did she think being Cuban is better?
inluuv09 1 week ago
@Angelscnbsexi2 this came on two weeks ago...u can buy it on TCM.COM
taylor4660 1 month ago
@taylor4660 Thank you!
Angelscnbsexi2 1 month ago
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@taylor4660 Thank you!
Angelscnbsexi2 1 month ago
That is absolutely fascinating...I do not think that he looks white at all. A lot of people managed to integrate in the white community.
Thanks for sharing!
my3cents 3 years ago
@neelyohara2004 hey do you think you can post some pictures of Dr. Albert C. Johnston and his family so i can really see what he looked like and a lot other people can see. if you can get ahold of the pictures.
34099832 1 year ago
It would've been funny if the baby had got dark skin. What would've happened then?
brummie39131 3 years ago
There is a very slim chance of that but it would have been interesting.
TruthFan 2 years ago
this is so great thanks for posting it..
HotLadyRed 3 years ago
I saw this movie a few years ago. I thought it was great.
Qabalist 3 years ago
This posting is amazing. I never hard of the movie "Lost Boundies". I know about the other movies; "The human stain", "Black like me ", "pinky", "Imitation of life", but Lost boundies is new to me. Thanks for posting it.
daddeo01905 3 years ago
the world looks at us . ameerica the free... superiority of color is division. we are all here together and america if we stand together and stop this nonsense. if a white is mixed and wont acknowledge the black blood and are predudice like so many people are (show boat a cinema disaster)then that means they hate a relative or a part of what they are.. this is a sad and rediculous mind set. driven by evil..does not make sense.
styminho 3 years ago
nope..back in those days if they found out you had some black blood in you then you were one dropped as a negro (old black term). They don't even mention bi-racial or mulatto in the entire film.
They were sweating bullets when the nurse brought the baby in LMAO! There is a guy on my myspace list from Lousiana that had family that changed their name and passed as white, they disowned the black family. Crazy!
shannontheguy 3 years ago
@shannontheguy he wasnt biracial or a mulatto... he is white, only legally "negro". yo cant name someone mulatto without no limitation. 7/8 white = white
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
You sound like this racial identity thing matters a LOT. What does it matter if a person of this background is considered "white", "black", "mulatto", or polka dot? Being Black isn't going to negatively influence someone's economic stability and quality of life as much as it once did. What's "white" anyway and how does it matter to be considered such compared to anything else? It's totally unimportant.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS what identity? THAT'S unimportant. identity is by definition subjective, go get a DNA test if you dont know what you are. and what confuses you about "white" exactly/
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
If identity is subjective, the it truly doesn't matter whether these kinds of folks are considered white OR black. Why are you making such a hard point of these people being white and only being considered white? If individuals like the the family in "Lost Boundaries" and others similar in background consider themselves White, then fine, it's who they feel they are. Likewise, if there are people like these who feel themselves Black--fine as well. It doesn't matter.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
"and what confuses you about "white" exactly/"As for what confuses me--absolutely nothing.My question about the definition of "whiteness" was rhetorical. As much as I don't believe there is any definite "arbiter" for Blackness, I don't believe there's any definite "arbiter" for Whiteness. What constitutes "whiteness"?A culture, a way of life, an experience?Only an idiot would think it's solely genetics.There shouldn't be a rigid cut-off date according to percentage.Ridiculous.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
The Black experience AND the White experience are essentially much more than how much european ancestry or black ancestry an individual has. Racial identity is more fluid and complex than that. A person who one absolutely considers "white" without a doubt, could be living in his heart and mind a distinctly non "white" experience because of their culture, upbringing, family tree, and perspective.Anyone who would try to argue that person down and label them otherwise is seriously lacking in sense.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS It IS SOLELY genetics.
Ancestry -> looks -> experience.
There is nothing confusing about White people with Black status in Jim Crow. They still had primarily European ancestry. Just with Black status/experience.
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
One person says it is solely genetics, another person says that racial identity is more intricate than that. Who's to say you're right and another is wrong? As I said, many view racial identity as more fluid and complex than how light complected an individual is or how much percentage or "degrees" of blackness they have. You call them "white people with black status" and others call them light-skinned Black people and mixed-race people.Again, who's to say you're right?
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS " You call them "white people with black status" and others call them light-skinned Black people and mixed-race people.Again, who's to say you're right?" - obviously i am right and its self-evident. i dont see a purpose in calling 90% white person "lightskinned", since no person with common sense will expect one with such dominant european ancestry to be chocolate-y obviously.
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@RETROGEMS What the hell is white upbringing? Funny how Black Americans generally find it offensive when someone views things like baggy clothing or speaking slang or, damn, even eating chicken as "black", but it doesn't work in reverse.
Rockstafeller 1 year ago
@Rockstafeller
What the "hell" is white upbringing? Well, sir, don't you know since you seem to know everything there is? Amongst other socio-economic factors, a white upbringing in general does not encompass the experience of institutionalized and historic discrimination based on skin color and race such as it has with minority groupings. A white upbringing even in the 21st century is very often the experience of privilege in a variety of forms.Even for fair mixed people, it not the same.
RETROGEMS 1 year ago
So when he says he's a negro...does that mean he's have white and half black?
Athenas83 3 years ago 2
People who pass are not white, they are mixed, Mulattoes.
Qabalist 3 years ago