Bill experience water boarding and tell me how it isn't torture, if people tell you what they know (or you want to hear) after experiencing something, chances are it's terrible enough to break their will, not all torture is outright physical beating.
There's a lot of stuff in this I agree with, but a lot of it is based on false premises. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until AFTER we kicked out Sadam. We opened it up to them as a recruiting ground. And why did they attack our twin towers? Because we had an unwelcome military presence in their "holy land". If we had been minding our own business from the start, there would have been no 9/11.
1. Al-Qaeda started pouring into neighbouring countries including Iraq right after Afghanistan was being overrun by US troops. Of course the stream of Al-Qaeda fighters increased after Saddams demise but that was part of the plan, which was to carry the war onto the opponents soil.
2. The reason for 9/11 was not your alleged agressive foreign policy but on the contrary your obvious moral weakness, shown in Somalia and Iraq/Kuweit.
i live in the middle east and most people i have met love the idea democracy but hate what bush has done to iraq. they much prefer how obama handled Libya. there are other inaccuracies but conservative retards are not going to believe me if i say that they are wrong
@GoblinKnightLeo Presumably you are an American and you will be aware that you live in a Republic. Do you agree that the People's Republic of North Korea, is similar to your style of government?
yea he thinks GW was a good president. He's a war criminal who started a war for is own entertainment. Obama actually manages to kill Osama and end the irak war and he's the one who this guy portrays as a dickhead. What a joke. btw get ready for another 4 years.
@MattacksRC Do you have any idea what you're talking about or do you just spam places with the dumbed-down version of liberal political agenda? Obama didn't kill anyone. DEVGROUP killed him. He didn't end the IRAQ war, he merely approved the congressional plan for the FINAL stages of the drawdown. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that GW is great or anything, but people give Obama too much credit. The president gets spotlight a lot of times for things that aren't their doing.
@ShadowsFormer Another truth; If OBL was in Afganastan, Obama would not have even been made aware until after OBL was killed. The only and I repeat, only reason Obama was aware of this mission was becasue he was the only person that could give the go ahead to invade another soverign nation and supposed ally. Yes the raid was an invasion. This I do give Obama credit for having guts. The military already had the authority to hunt and kill/capture OBL in Afganastan.
what a bunch of mindless psyco babble this guy blurts out. I say get him a job on fox news. He will get a larger audience and be made fun of by a larger group of people.
How pathetic that I need to come to youtube to hear a shred of truth because there is none to be found from the media that exists to inform the people. What has happened to our nation? What has happened to our people?
Its stuff like this that makes me realize, that George W. Bush was the perfect man, and the perfect president for his time. No other man would have gone after the evil men who had taken so many American and have had the resolve to bring each and every one to justice.
@SAOrules I don't know that he was the perfect man. He certainly did some things that he shouldn't have. (Although it looks like small potatoes compared to Obama, spending way too much money is a good example, & I'm not talking about the cost of the war.) Still, George W. Bush is a good man who did a good job in a very difficult position. No, he wasn't the perfect man, but he may well have been the best man. I can only hope that history treats him as well as he deserves.
@futuresonex I fully, and whole heartedly agree. George Bush was far from perfect (no president or man for that matter is), but he was not only the right man for the era he lived in, and the best for his time in American history. I only wish that the media could have treated him better during his time as president, as well as allow history to treat himn with the respect and admiration he so badly deserves for the job he did as US president.
@SAOrules Ive stated to family and friends that I do not believe it is a coincidence that G.W. Bush won the election in 2000. Imagine Al Gore as pres after 9/11. Terrifying!
The problem with the left and right argument is that it is based on the wrong perspective. What, in practice, was the difference between Stalin's Russia (Communist left) and Hitler's Germany (Fascist right)? Not much. We need new directions; instead of left and right, let's talk about up and down, where up is increased government control and down is more personal responsibility. That is the real argument here.
@AirForcedude5 Why, does it tell people who unable to think for themselves that the Nazis are socialist? I'm not lefty, which is why i get pissed off that people try to claim that the Nazis are socialists, it discredits the right's argument.
@N330AA National Socialist German Worker's Party. Nazi is an acronym for that. YOU may not think they were socialist, but THEY certainly did. And given that they lived in a time when socialists were not afraid to talk about their agenda openly, I'll take their word for it.
Just shows what a hell of a leader George Bush was. Time and history will place him beside Lincoln for the huge pair of stones that he had - in the face of flat out media and liberal lies. Remember your history -- most of the country wanted LIncoln to fail also - the entire South, and many in the North.
@USTreasuryBond President Bush was a Republican, but not necessarily the most conservative choice. No true conservative should, by definition, support the Patriot Act. Conservatism abhors anything that gives the federal government broad, sweeping powers. I don't think anyone is trying to make the case that Bush was the conservative poster-child, but instead that he was a much more confident and capable leader than what the press gave him credit.
This was powerful. My uncle is adopted and from the Kurdish minority in Iraq who until very recently had no power to express their views or even show their culture, so he and I both send out heartfelt thanks for this video.
Bill starts by saying he's going to destroy memes, but everything he says in this piece is based on memes. He's merely repeating the official narrative. His presentation is good, and he's a clear "thinker" and effective communicator, though.
Bill, Don't ever stop sending out this clarity. Never stop! You are the absolute best at it, and there is nothing more important that needs done. Thank You.
MOREOVER... After having spent time reading peoples reactions to this video and others reactions... One thing is clear, most of us love America and hate war. We are also confused about what is actually true... we must not dismiss those who disagree with us on ideology or we are screwed as a nation. "Open minded" lefties and righties prove that they are not with name calling and dismissing one another. I believe the solution is to peacefully purge our leadership at the ballot box! VOTE 'EM OUT
...and there has not been a major terror attack on U.S. soil since that speech. Upon looking at a Iraq war timeline, the heavy lifting of toppling S.H.'s regime had been accomplished. This was THE MAIN GOAL as I understand it of the US and the world community. The UN had imposed sanctions and warned S.H. of retaliation if he did not comply, for years. While the lost of all Costs of the war have been great and they sadden all Americans, I don't think you can call Bill a liar on this one.
I admit to not entirely understanding the entire dynamic of the war(s) we are involved in, and I must say I do not support war. However, when Bush gave that speech, as Bill points out, the crew of that carrier had just finished the longest tour of any air carrier in U.S. military history, they were set to go home and had accomplished their mission. And as we citizens NOW know there is a strong American Presence neighboring the 2 largest terror sponsoring nations in the world...
Please do not disgrace yourself trying to defend the abomination that is war. Bush obviously lied many times with a straight face to the public hundreds of times and got hundreds of thousands of lives. Iraqi people have suffered unspeakable horrors of the evil American empire. The bombs and occupations leads to terrorism because it is the initiation of force. The insurgency that has been created now threatens our security. War takes useful resources and destroys homes, infrastructure, employment
@mjbarrowful Bill Clinton in 1998 in his State of the Union Address, which is on YouTube if you want to watch it yourself, told America and the entire world that Saddam Hussein spent the better part of the 1990's seeking and developing WMD's.
Did President Clinton and other major Democrat leaders LIE when they said this to the American people and the world?
@mjbarrowful Further, the Islamic paramilitary death squads, whom the mainstream media taught us to refer to as 'insurgents', slaughtered up to 100,000 innocent Iraqis - far more than any attributed to American forces.
Yet ALL their deaths were blamed on 'our presence' - by our mainstream media, of course. No matter how many innocent people were bombed and murdered by actual terrorists in Iraq on a daily basis, America took the blame.
@mjbarrowful Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and tens of thousands of terrorists from around the world are dead because of the campaign and infrastructure formerly known as the War on Terror. They have NOT lead to more terrorism simply because there are far few terrorists alive now then there were before 9/11.
@mjbarrowful And by the way...America is NOT an empire. As Bill Whittle said himself in a previous video, "If America is an empire, what nations' governments can America overturn at our whim? What nations does America have ruling governors in? There are NONE, and everybody knows it."
@mjbarrowful And just as Ronald Reagan's efforts happened a year after he left office, watching the Soviet Bloc collapse, the Arab Spring this year would NEVER have happened without Bush and the U.S. military planting freedom and democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan - by staying the course and not pulling out, which EVERY Democrat wanted Bush to do.
@mjbarrowful Bush was called a monster, Hitler, and other such leftistist stupidity for all of his anti-terror policies: Gitmo, the Patriot Act, waterboarding, secret prisons, domestic wiretapping, rendition, the Afghan war, the Iraq war, etc.
When Obama finally came into office with a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress, Obama and the Democrats overturned...nothing. NONE of Bush's policies were removed, not one. Why...?
@mjbarrowful Because they KNEW those policies kept us safe all along. They knew ALL ALONG that Bush was doing everything possible to prevent another 9/11 attack from happening...EVER again.
That's why Bush liberated Iraq and Aghanistan. So that the example of freedom in those countries would spread across the Middle East, which it did.
@mjbarrowful And for that, Bush's name and memory will be despised for eternity...because he wouldn't let the Democrats risk all our lives, and the Iraqis' lives, for political gain.
The point is Whittle made this up. Bush was NOT told the car was coming in "a few minutes to get him out of there"". He was told the country was under attack. After reading he did photo ops, went to a staff room -pictures on the net of him in there- then made a statement to the press and left pretty much on schedule. Not waiting for a car. I'm an arch conservative. I think Bush's conduct was fine. Whittle's making up a converstion to give W an excuse he didn't need or use is not fine.
So let me get this straight: To help bring closure to the American people and to dispel any wild rumors or crazy conspiracy theories, (1) Obama decided to dump bin Laden's body in the sea, (2) Get rid of the physical evidence, (3) Give conflicting accounts to the media, and (4) Refuse to release any videos or photos of the operation. Huh?!? WTF is that?!? So much for that Obama "transparency."
This is crap. Whittle at 9:55: " The agent . .told him they were bringing the car around . .and it would be a few minutes". The "agent" was Chief of Staff Andrew Card who has been repeatedly asked about this and says he chose his words carefully and told Bush exactly: "A 2nd plane hit the 2nd tower. America is under attack." Why would the car need to come around? Couldn't the pres. limos stay in front for the 15 minute visit? Whittle just made this up to fit with story he was imagining.
@thomasjmurphy7 - Your conclusion is nonsense. After dropping the President off at the school, the motorcade went around to another entrance and waited for instructions from his staff. The Secret Service does not leave the Presidential motorcade in front of anything they arrive to. The motorcade always leaves from a different area and uses a different route upon departure. This is for security purposes. So they would have had to "bring it around" for him.
@RocktheStageNYC - You focus on what doesn't matter and give no support for what you've said. The main point is that when Whittle tried to give W an excuse for sittling there stunned he made up a conversation about moving the limo that is totally ridiculous. "Agent" Card says he didn't say that to Bush and Bush doesn't give that account either. They were the only two involved in the exchange. By the way, how do you know what the limo did? Were you driving it?
@thomasjmurphy7 - your conclusion was based on a premise that the limo wasn't idling right outside. It NEVER is - don't you ever watch the History Channel? Multiple docs on the Secret Service, their tactics, practices and what went wrong at things like Reagan & Ford assassination attempts and what was changed because of them. Even if Whittle has his stories mixed up about what was said, the FACT is Bush HAD to sit and wait until the SS were prepped & ready to take him.
@thomasjmurphy7 - Pt. 2 - The country had just been attacked, they don't just wisk the Pres. into a car and drive off - there are protocols, alternate plans to kick into gear with the onset of a terrorist attack. All that takes time. The fact that it only took minutes shows how efficient the SS are.
Whittle's point is they hounded Bush for sitting there for a few minutes while Obama "sleep on it" for 16 hours. Did you know FDR sat in a chair stunned for 20min after the Pearl Harbor attack?
Mr. Whittle. At the end of every video could you please have a list of sources where you received your information. When I try to look up and research the information that you state in most of the videos, your information comes up as speculation from other writers(mostly from a right wing prespective) doing the same topic. It would really help in research for a majority of us students that are majoring in political science if you listed sources confirming facts and not opinion.
this video is just a huge BS. Guess what all those evil bad undemocratic dictors over there...... WHO PUT THEM IN THEIR POSITION AND SUPPORTED/TOLERATED THEM? WHO PROVIDED THEM WITH WESTERN BANK ACCOUNTS? WHO SHIPPED THE WEAPONS OVER THERE?
IT WAS YOU!!!!!!!! THE AMERICAN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, SO DONT GIMME THIS BS THAT THE US IS DOING SOMETHING USEFULL.
@GermanInvestor Please. 95% of Saddam Hussein's weapons came from Russia and China. We liberated your ungrateful asses 65 years ago, and you still think we should kiss Europe's bankrupt ass and follow your lead. Forget that.
Every war we had to fight in the 20th century was because of some lunatic from Europe - the only exception being Imperial Japan.
@joba606 "95% of Saddam Hussein's weapons came from Russia and China. "
LOL you are talking about the "weapons of mass destruction"? Or the onces YOU delivered as long he was your puppet against Iran?
"Every war we had to fight in the 20th century was because of some lunatic..."
Vietnam? Korea? Kuba(&middle america invasions)?
Oh, and by the way, how many casualities did the Iraq war cost all together, put that in perspective with the other "BAD BAD persons" you are talking about?
@GermanInvestor Sorry, you're right. I meant the first half of the 20th century's wars was your fault. My bad.
Yes, according to SIPRI, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, America supplied Saddam with about 5% of his military weapons. He was armed by Russia and China, mostly. Not the USA.
Wars take lives, we're never pleased with that. It also sucks that you Europeans can breathe easier by not having Saddam or Osama anymore, and still badmouth us at the same time.
@joba606 "It also sucks that you Europeans can breathe easier by not having Saddam or Osama anymore, and still badmouth us at the same time. "
sounds to me, that you always need some boogeyman, to make you happy, or should I say give you a sence of life?
I was never afraid of Saddam or Osama or some other fictional creature out of your boogeyman war justification box, I am more scared from the stupidity of the war monger fans.
@GermanInvestor - you and your country are the LAST ONES to lecture anyone on the downfalls or misdoings of their leaders or their country. In the grande scheme of history the United States of America has been and continues to be the most benevolent, charitable and free country that has ever existed. Your country cannot say the same. You started 2 World wars and lost both of them.
Now tuck your little prick back in your pants and stop pretending you can play with the big boys.
@RocktheStageNYC "you and your country are the LAST ONES to lecture anyone on the downfalls or misdoings of their leaders or their country"
you should look at it the other way around: in Germany/Europe we know how easily ignorant people can be mislead by fascist leadership. But hey, you can stay stupid rejecting any kind of clue people give you that have experienced bad outcomes. AMERICA THE BEUATIFUL one nation UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all. Dont you feel kind of ridicuoulus?
@GermanInvestor - why should I feel ridiculous about a beautiful country, that lives under a moral code, is free from tyranny and fights for the rights of all who live here?
We don't ALLOW fascist, dictatorial leadership here - ever. That's why we created a Declaration of Independence.
Take a GOOD hard look at your country sir. The economy might be doing well but Germany has been overrun with Radical Muslims preaching hate in the streets. Fascist leadership indeed.
@RocktheStageNYC "...and fights for the rights of all who live here?"
yes, sure. whos fighting? TSA, NSA, Homeland, CIA or Blackwater? right for whom? thats why you are bombing pakistan civilian, libian, iraq, vietnam in the past? see, listen to people like you, i feel deeply satisfied, what is coming to the american people in the next years.... cheers, your deserve what you get once your economy that you already dont have anymore collapses.
@GermanInvestor - Justice for all = Equal under the law. A German cannot lecture the US on killing civilians. 6 million Jews.
Every conflict you stated was the US (once again) coming to the defense of innocent people against tyranny and brutal dictators. We've liberated over 50 million Muslims. Germany? Zero.
The ONLY reason you can sleep peaceful at night is because the US is your guardian. If someone decided to invade Germany tomorrow your govt would be begging the US for help.
@GermanInvestor - There is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. The United States does NOT conquer, we liberate. Except for Vietnam and Korea, we've been successful in liberating 100s of millions.
We liberated 50 million Muslims between Iraq and Afghanistan from their brutal leaders. And Yes, both countries are better off now that they are free from brutality and oppression.
Germany cannot say the same. You just killed 6 million
@RocktheStageNYC "There is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest."
...said Alexander, said the Romans, said the crusaders, said Napolean, said Stalin, said Mao, said Castro,...
I guess the rest of the world is just not so educated as you, to understand your act of kindness. Thats why you are so popular in the rest of the world.
@GermanInvestor - All of those you mention used their force for conquest. The US does not. If that were the case - Japan, Korea, France, Germany, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam would all be part of the US. We ARE THE ONLY country in the history of the world that invades a country, gives it back and then helps them rebuild.
If it weren't for the US and the UK after WWII you'd be speaking Russian right now you ungrateful bastards.
@RocktheStageNYC "We ARE THE ONLY country in the history of the world that invades a country, gives it back"
face it: you give it "back" into the hands of the dictators you installed and/or the once that exploit their country from oil for you: egypt(mubarak), iran(pahlavi), kuba(batista)....
oh, you americans are concerned about "freedom"? why dont you invade Saudi Arabia, Syria & Jemen? have you ever read AI or humanrightswatch about the conditions over there?
@qtutoringhelps by comparison, waterboarding isn't kicking someone's teeth in, lacerating someone's body, branding someone with hot irons, amputating someone's limb while they're conscious, peeling off finger nails, impaling someone's eye, shooting someone in the leg, breaking someone's arm, throwing acid on someone's face or injecting someone with poison. Do you know the difference between all these things and waterboarding? Waterboarding doesn't cause permenant damage, everything else does.
@qtutoringhelps But then you're equivacating waterboarding to all those things and just the simple thing of twisitng someone's arm. Technically all are done for the same means, extracting information. If someone doesn't tell you information they know willingly, what would you propose they do? Take in mind that these are religious Muslim fanatics that are so determined, many of them suicide bomb themselves.
I'm not against the use of torture in certain cases, but I am against the use of politically correct euphemisms like "enhanced interrogation" and moral cowardice.
Wow, I was not aware of what President Bush actually said aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. I don't even listen to the MSM but that lie of "Mission Accomplished" is so widespread that I actually thought it was true. Thanks again to Bill Whittle for spreading the truth!
Carter had a much harder decision to make than Obama did. For one thing, Osama bin Laden didnt have hostages that we were trying to free, the Seals were told to eliminate him and most likely everybody who were going to put up a fight.
When you keep getting the same intelligence for months that Osama Bin laden is in a compound and you survey the place, and then the CIA and FBI both tell you that Yea he is in there. Yea its a pretty sure bet he is.
@cfern85 Whittle made that statement based on photographic evidence. You on the other hand, have no apparent argument against it, you just can't stand to hear an argument that you find inconvenient, so you stop watching. Typical.
@jculver1674 You don't look at a photograph of someone to decide whether or not torturing them had an astound affect on their mental health jackass. He *looked fine*??? That's his evidence???
11:16 “Because if... the American people... say, ‘Send in the seals’...” WTF? When did the American people say to send in the Seals? They didn’t even know the situation was happening until it was over, let alone what options were available and the pros and cons of each one.
Fuck this, I’ve posted enough comments exposing the bullshit statements in your video for one day, I’m going to have a snack.
@redlightmax Make sure you get some more kool aid with that snack. Get real, you're grasping at straws; it's clear what Bill Whittle said, Americans are, and would be, for the raid, including the manner in which it was done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to gauge where public opinion is before it happens, especially on that issue, and Obama and his cabinet are indeed effective politicians.
Obama gave "the OK," and that's it. He did not get in office and then reorganize the CIA for it.
@Vet223 How could Americans be for the raid when they didn't even know it was happening? Sounds like you're trying to defend Whittle being called out on his bullshit statement that 11:16 the American people said to send in the Seals. Try harder.
@redlightmax Already asked and answered. -- "it's clear what Bill Whittle said, Americans are, and would be, for the raid, including the manner in which it was done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to gauge where public opinion is before it happens, especially on that issue, and Obama and his cabinet are indeed effective politicians.
Obama gave "the OK," and that's it. He did not get in office and then reorganize the CIA for it (as he tried to take credit for in his initial speech.)"
11:10 “So which of your advisers insisted that you not launch this raid?” WTF? His advisers didn’t insist that the President do or not do anything. They gave him options: wait to confirm the intelligence (which at the time was at 50% to 80%), bomb the compound, or send in the Seals.
The last option was risky because plenty could go wrong, and if something did then Obama could forget a second term. Obama put his re-election on the line and didn’t take the easy option. I would call that gutsy.
@redlightmax So true in terms of the political impact if this raid had failed. A good comparison is with the Iranian Hostage rescue effort by the Carter Administration... where its failure certainly was a significant factor in his eventual defeat by Ronald Reagan in the 1980 election campaign.
Then again, sometimes a president has to live in the real world instead of Fantasyland and make tough calls that can backfire. Thanks to Obama's predecessors, the Seals had the training to pull this off.
@redlightmax Are you serious? He got no suggestions from advisers on what path to take? That's not the way the world or the presidency works. He is not in office to be a tactical and strategic genius, but he has others there for that, and it is without question that any possible outcomes he was given came with "but, I recommend this option to a much greater degree, you see, there are problems with X and Y, and Z is not as beneficial as A."
@redlightmax Uh, you don't seem to get how the presidency works. Whittle never said anyone insisted he give the okay for the raid, he said "advice" and "advisors" in those instances. He said insisting once, about not doing it, which obviously is not literal insistence if the president overruled it. The point is, it was recommended to him by the people who actually *do* know what they're doing tactically and strategically, and it's *not* as if they told the facts and asked him what to do.
@redlightmax You need me to talk slower, or are you just down to acronyms for fun?
- You mischaracterized Whittle's statement. He never said anyone insisted, especially not as if giving an order as you have tried to allude to, that Obama give the go ahead for the mission. He asked who clamored that he *not* do that mission. If no-one, and also if the best analysis of the situation shows the American people loving the mission and hating escape or uncertainty, then I see no "guts" involved.
@Vet223 "...if the best analysis of the situation shows the American people loving the mission..." Of course they love it, it went without a hitch. If it was botched how many Americans would say that they wanted Obama to send in the Seals? So easy for you and Bill to play Monday morning quarterbacks.
@redlightmax Almost all of them that do now but to a lesser degree, assuming what I will of your definition of 'botched'... even just a visible attempt shows he's serious, something some accused Bush of not being. Even if bad or misinterpreted intel and it not being UBL, any rational complaint has to start with the people developing and analyzing intel, who he's all but forced to trust. The POTUS isn't the one to ask about chances of survival/success in a given scenario, either.
@redlightmax If you're going to follow up with "well average guy XXX," just know that's all spin and media courtship. Look at Tora Bora, depends on who you ask... successful raid on a hard target that killed dozens of militants and terrorists and the recovery of intel, but had the timing been different there'd have been more...
or an atrocious waste of our trust and money that shows you nobody knows or cares what they're doing or a conspiracy, blablabla.
@Vet223 And then of course there's the matter of him promising the attempt long beforehand, and it being a good issue for him. Just about the only way he gets it stuck shouldering an error is by failing to live up to the promise, other than that he's got an "out" that he's said he's always been all about that approach.
Wow, I knew some neocon clown would try to take credit for the Arab Spring!
The Arab Spring is due to the combination of 1) a demographic youth bulge in the Arab World 2) dissemination of the culture of free societies in the West via TV and the Internet, which has inherent appeal to Middle Eastern youth 3) crushing economic conditions in the wake of the global financial crisis, and 4) the continued rule of many of these countries by sclerotic, archaic dictators who have failed to deliver.
@amarrao95 Really, your neighboring countries can't disseminate any perceived advantages of a massive political change to you? Other archaic dictators being done away with successfully? Whittle never said other factors didn't play a part, but to ignore the contribution of freer countries in the area that are at least *trying* positive self-determination (certainly changes things from "this is the way this part of the world works", no?).
@Vet223 And what Whittle didn't mention was that an Arab spring type situation was predicted and was an attempted intel community goal to work for, dating back to the missions to secure and democratize Iraq and move the Afghanistan campaign in the same direction. Read "Shadow War," by Richard Miniter, for a very early, Bush era, description of political changes for countries that *can* conceivably free themselves to some degree, if nearby countries who couldn't showed them what they can have.
Iraq didn't lead the way with a model for how to overthrow dictatorships in a way that appealed to the young people in the Middle East. Egypt did.
Would you have rather that some pre-existing democracy invaded and occupied the oppressed American colonists, and then built a democracy there - eventually, or that they overthrew the British themselves and established the foundations of a long-lasting democratic government and civil society through self-determination, as actually happened?
@amarrao95 A model for it? Perhaps, but Egypt didn't really lead anything, they were following a trend and just had more to contend with. The guy who lit himself on fire in Tunisia didn't do that in a bubble, either. Like I said, read the book Shadow War by Richard Miniter, it predicts (/covers the Bush era intel community predicting) all this coming to fruition while recently the media and current govt analysts were flabbergasted that anything like it actually happened.
Most importantly, unlike Iraq, these new democracies will not be forcibly Capitalist, but self-determinedly Socialist. If you were paying attention, the demands of the students on the streets of everywhere from Egypt to Tunisia to even Morocco were democracy, govt'-funded education, and gov't-funded health care. [Even Iraq, despite all of the Paul Bremer-mandated privatization for and patronization of US multinationals, has something the US doesn't have - government-funded health care.]
@amarrao95 LOL, Iraq will forcibly be capitalist? Do you know ANYTHING about it? W Bush himself recommended to the GoI, who very much supported him, that they auction/privatize their oil wells, and instead they nationalized them. US soldiers owned those polling places that decided such things and their security, and often carried the ballots -dangerous cargo- to a place where vetted Iraqis would count them, just ensuring it was fair. All we did is ensure democracy took hold, wherever it led.
@amarrao95 As for people's demands, yeah, and citizens of the People's Republic of China are starting to demand that decent housing become a public right that the government must provide, too. They don't understand what a market lacking enough privatization was and is doing to them, and most people throughout the world don't really comprehend the fact that individuals making their own private decisions are far better 'caretakers' to the hard worker than the state. So be it... screw yourself -
@amarrao95 - screw yourself economically, I don't really give a damn. Plenty of European/Scandinavian counties have nationalized health care and resources and think that's the best route for education (though Sweden beats their butts in that category and has a far more capitalized and competitive education system than we do), *but they don't even think about threatening our security,* so we're fine with it. Self-determination is our safety, free market would just be another smart move.
@amarrao95 As for your parallel, lol. First, we scarcely occupy and don't oppress innocent Iraqis. Second, *we didn't overthrow British rule ourselves* - we had invaluable and tide-turning help from the French, a pre-existing world power. It is not a bad guess that we would have lost without help, and no such guess is necessary with the Iraqis, we KNOW they lost without help! That was immediately after Saddam lost a war but he was still able to put down an uprising brutally. I'd rather = 1991.
You can pick nits, such as French assistance to the Revolutionary Army, or little Tunisia sparking BIG Egypt, but:
-geopolitically, Egypt has MUCH more influence on the Arab World than Tunisia, and so it's revolution had far more significant implications for governance in large Middle Eastern nations.
-No matter how much the British/Americans disagreed, the American colonists/Iraqi people didn't/don't feel unoppressed or uncoccupied.
@amarrao95 Pick nits? No, you're dodging me completely while I deliver on the one's you've made. Big and little doesn't matter, we're talking about *leading* here, Egypt obviously didn't lead Tunisia, nor Iraq, nor anything else like them. Quit changing the subject.
"Significant implications for governance" is just proving my point for me, that some other large Arab and/or middle-eastern state had attained some degree of governmental stability WITHOUT either autocrats or Islamists ruling.
@amarrao95 And yes, most actually do feel un-oppressed and unoccupied, both when giving folks like me boat loads of free chai, or saying in broken english "Saddam bad, USA good!", etc, and when answering independent polls that showed even in 2006, arguably the worst and most violent year of the war, 2/3rds of Iraqis wanted us to stay until the job got done (most relating that to a security-competent GoI, Government of Iraq), rather than leaving immediately or at some pre-determined time.
07:12 “But if [waterboarding]’s torture, it certainly is a different kind of torture...” WTF? The meme “waterboarding is torture” is either true or false, you’re trying to weasel out of admitting that it’s true.
7:32 “Now if that’s torture then it’s an odd kind of torture that leaves you healthier than you were before it started.” Double WTF? Are you suggesting that waterboarding makes you healthier?
Also, it’s Mr. President or President Obama, not Mr. Obama. At least address him by his title.
As always, great video Mr. whittle. I'm glad there are people like you around to expose the truth. I used to be a leftist, but is thanks to people such as yourself that I've seen the light.
Also, do you intend to make a 'part 2' to your video discussing Obama's past/upbringing?
thanks Bill, for setting the record straight. Sagman44 is correct - the folks who need to understand won't listen - cause they prefer the politico speak from the press and the great 'look what I did for you today' president - which is all b.s.
@orion7747: “Amazing the lies the right will believe.”
Hmmm, yeah, like; Gitmo will be closing, the stimulus is imperative, unemployment won’t rise above 8%, energy costs must “necessarily” skyrocket, taxes won’t be raised for those making over 250k and waterboarding never leads to useful intel.
10:16
I just have this vision of Bush, Cheney and Rice all packed into the "Presidential pick-up".
Lazyguy22 1 day ago in playlist BillWhittleChannelPlaylist
I think someone is trying to compensate for their Whittle pee pee.......
geezusispan 5 days ago
6:15 in the middle east these 4 people are hated the most.
7searchful 6 days ago
Bill experience water boarding and tell me how it isn't torture, if people tell you what they know (or you want to hear) after experiencing something, chances are it's terrible enough to break their will, not all torture is outright physical beating.
Waredwr 6 days ago
I can't agree with this video. Ron Paul 2012.
th3giv3r 1 week ago in playlist BillWhittleChannelPlaylist
There's a lot of stuff in this I agree with, but a lot of it is based on false premises. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until AFTER we kicked out Sadam. We opened it up to them as a recruiting ground. And why did they attack our twin towers? Because we had an unwelcome military presence in their "holy land". If we had been minding our own business from the start, there would have been no 9/11.
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis
"but a lot of it is based on false premises."
This sentence applies to everything after it in your post.
karozans 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis Youre completely wrong there.
1. Al-Qaeda started pouring into neighbouring countries including Iraq right after Afghanistan was being overrun by US troops. Of course the stream of Al-Qaeda fighters increased after Saddams demise but that was part of the plan, which was to carry the war onto the opponents soil.
2. The reason for 9/11 was not your alleged agressive foreign policy but on the contrary your obvious moral weakness, shown in Somalia and Iraq/Kuweit.
Skandalos 5 days ago
Wow, this video is incredibly informative, and gives a very fresh perspective. More people should see this..
hermanessences 1 week ago
i live in the middle east and most people i have met love the idea democracy but hate what bush has done to iraq. they much prefer how obama handled Libya. there are other inaccuracies but conservative retards are not going to believe me if i say that they are wrong
Mrinebriation 1 week ago
@GoblinKnightLeo Presumably you are an American and you will be aware that you live in a Republic. Do you agree that the People's Republic of North Korea, is similar to your style of government?
N330AA 2 weeks ago
THIS video has made me decide to become a citizen producer.
candyohara 2 weeks ago
yea he thinks GW was a good president. He's a war criminal who started a war for is own entertainment. Obama actually manages to kill Osama and end the irak war and he's the one who this guy portrays as a dickhead. What a joke. btw get ready for another 4 years.
MattacksRC 2 weeks ago in playlist BillWhittleChannelPlaylist
@MattacksRC Do you have any idea what you're talking about or do you just spam places with the dumbed-down version of liberal political agenda? Obama didn't kill anyone. DEVGROUP killed him. He didn't end the IRAQ war, he merely approved the congressional plan for the FINAL stages of the drawdown. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that GW is great or anything, but people give Obama too much credit. The president gets spotlight a lot of times for things that aren't their doing.
ShadowsFormer 2 weeks ago
@ShadowsFormer Another truth; If OBL was in Afganastan, Obama would not have even been made aware until after OBL was killed. The only and I repeat, only reason Obama was aware of this mission was becasue he was the only person that could give the go ahead to invade another soverign nation and supposed ally. Yes the raid was an invasion. This I do give Obama credit for having guts. The military already had the authority to hunt and kill/capture OBL in Afganastan.
Robbob9933 1 week ago
@MattacksRC Bush started a war for his own entertainment? Where were you on September 11, 2001?! We were attacked. How would you have responded?
finrodbrs 1 week ago
what a bunch of mindless psyco babble this guy blurts out. I say get him a job on fox news. He will get a larger audience and be made fun of by a larger group of people.
MattacksRC 2 weeks ago in playlist BillWhittleChannelPlaylist
you need to run for president!!!
lordbradford1 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
i love the way you put the truth out there. keep up the good work!!!
lordbradford1 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
How pathetic that I need to come to youtube to hear a shred of truth because there is none to be found from the media that exists to inform the people. What has happened to our nation? What has happened to our people?
jakeel85 3 weeks ago
Keep preachin' it Bill!
watch?v=V1xNnPs6rZc&feature=g-upl&context=G207a6e8AUAAAAAAABAA
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.
ThePrinceII 3 weeks ago
Hah, i'm not surpised bill reads the telegraph.
N330AA 3 weeks ago in playlist BillWhittleChannelPlaylist
Its stuff like this that makes me realize, that George W. Bush was the perfect man, and the perfect president for his time. No other man would have gone after the evil men who had taken so many American and have had the resolve to bring each and every one to justice.
SAOrules 1 month ago
@SAOrules I don't know that he was the perfect man. He certainly did some things that he shouldn't have. (Although it looks like small potatoes compared to Obama, spending way too much money is a good example, & I'm not talking about the cost of the war.) Still, George W. Bush is a good man who did a good job in a very difficult position. No, he wasn't the perfect man, but he may well have been the best man. I can only hope that history treats him as well as he deserves.
futuresonex 3 weeks ago
@futuresonex I fully, and whole heartedly agree. George Bush was far from perfect (no president or man for that matter is), but he was not only the right man for the era he lived in, and the best for his time in American history. I only wish that the media could have treated him better during his time as president, as well as allow history to treat himn with the respect and admiration he so badly deserves for the job he did as US president.
SAOrules 2 weeks ago
@SAOrules Ive stated to family and friends that I do not believe it is a coincidence that G.W. Bush won the election in 2000. Imagine Al Gore as pres after 9/11. Terrifying!
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
The problem with the left and right argument is that it is based on the wrong perspective. What, in practice, was the difference between Stalin's Russia (Communist left) and Hitler's Germany (Fascist right)? Not much. We need new directions; instead of left and right, let's talk about up and down, where up is increased government control and down is more personal responsibility. That is the real argument here.
LordGouda 1 month ago
@LordGouda did you really just claim that the National Socialist German Worker's Party was a right wing organization?
antipryzm 1 month ago
@antipryzm It was socially (far) right wing and fiscally centrist.
N330AA 3 weeks ago in playlist BillWhittleChannelPlaylist
@N330AA You might want to watch this. /watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
AirForcedude5 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
@AirForcedude5 Why, does it tell people who unable to think for themselves that the Nazis are socialist? I'm not lefty, which is why i get pissed off that people try to claim that the Nazis are socialists, it discredits the right's argument.
N330AA 3 weeks ago
@N330AA National Socialist German Worker's Party. Nazi is an acronym for that. YOU may not think they were socialist, but THEY certainly did. And given that they lived in a time when socialists were not afraid to talk about their agenda openly, I'll take their word for it.
GoblinKnightLeo 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
strategery? really?
JonathanBloggs 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
its sad that at the time of this comment only 42,000 views are logged.
aaarrh6 2 months ago
I signed up @ Declaration today. I'm a little slow, but I really hope you make a difference.
bapzzy 2 months ago
Just shows what a hell of a leader George Bush was. Time and history will place him beside Lincoln for the huge pair of stones that he had - in the face of flat out media and liberal lies. Remember your history -- most of the country wanted LIncoln to fail also - the entire South, and many in the North.
codlyman 3 months ago 4
@codlyman I so whole heartedly agree! No one else would have had the commitment and resolve to destroy the evils of terrorism like he did.
SAOrules 1 month ago
What about 'The Patriot Act" and 'Declarations of War" Mr. Constitution???
USTreasuryBond 3 months ago
@USTreasuryBond President Bush was a Republican, but not necessarily the most conservative choice. No true conservative should, by definition, support the Patriot Act. Conservatism abhors anything that gives the federal government broad, sweeping powers. I don't think anyone is trying to make the case that Bush was the conservative poster-child, but instead that he was a much more confident and capable leader than what the press gave him credit.
LordGouda 1 month ago 4
Right on!
LavenderDarwin 4 months ago
Is this guy supposed to be a libertarian or a neo-con? Just curious, I had assumed he was a libertarian.
adamkajones 4 months ago
@adamkajones He is a Patriot.
superlucci 4 months ago
Truth hurts liberals.
choirboy59 5 months ago in playlist choirboy59's Favorited Videos 18
This was powerful. My uncle is adopted and from the Kurdish minority in Iraq who until very recently had no power to express their views or even show their culture, so he and I both send out heartfelt thanks for this video.
mites7 6 months ago 4
Bill whittle for president!!!!!!!!!
Covermeporkins11 7 months ago 4
Bill starts by saying he's going to destroy memes, but everything he says in this piece is based on memes. He's merely repeating the official narrative. His presentation is good, and he's a clear "thinker" and effective communicator, though.
AdamsUTube2 7 months ago 2
Thank you from Sweden!
longbeachboy57 7 months ago
@longbeachboy57 Awesome!
mcgge7 7 months ago
All I can say is Thank you! Thank you for bringing us these outstanding messages.
macscottsman88 7 months ago 5
Bill, Don't ever stop sending out this clarity. Never stop! You are the absolute best at it, and there is nothing more important that needs done. Thank You.
bagoh20 7 months ago 17
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JohnOmaker 8 months ago
I intended to type "...while the loss..."
drumseltzer 8 months ago
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drumseltzer 8 months ago
MOREOVER... After having spent time reading peoples reactions to this video and others reactions... One thing is clear, most of us love America and hate war. We are also confused about what is actually true... we must not dismiss those who disagree with us on ideology or we are screwed as a nation. "Open minded" lefties and righties prove that they are not with name calling and dismissing one another. I believe the solution is to peacefully purge our leadership at the ballot box! VOTE 'EM OUT
drumseltzer 8 months ago
...and there has not been a major terror attack on U.S. soil since that speech. Upon looking at a Iraq war timeline, the heavy lifting of toppling S.H.'s regime had been accomplished. This was THE MAIN GOAL as I understand it of the US and the world community. The UN had imposed sanctions and warned S.H. of retaliation if he did not comply, for years. While the lost of all Costs of the war have been great and they sadden all Americans, I don't think you can call Bill a liar on this one.
drumseltzer 8 months ago
I admit to not entirely understanding the entire dynamic of the war(s) we are involved in, and I must say I do not support war. However, when Bush gave that speech, as Bill points out, the crew of that carrier had just finished the longest tour of any air carrier in U.S. military history, they were set to go home and had accomplished their mission. And as we citizens NOW know there is a strong American Presence neighboring the 2 largest terror sponsoring nations in the world...
drumseltzer 8 months ago
Please do not disgrace yourself trying to defend the abomination that is war. Bush obviously lied many times with a straight face to the public hundreds of times and got hundreds of thousands of lives. Iraqi people have suffered unspeakable horrors of the evil American empire. The bombs and occupations leads to terrorism because it is the initiation of force. The insurgency that has been created now threatens our security. War takes useful resources and destroys homes, infrastructure, employment
mjbarrowful 8 months ago
@mjbarrowful Leftist nonsense.
joba606 8 months ago
@joba606 justify your claim
mjbarrowful 8 months ago
@mjbarrowful Bill Clinton in 1998 in his State of the Union Address, which is on YouTube if you want to watch it yourself, told America and the entire world that Saddam Hussein spent the better part of the 1990's seeking and developing WMD's.
Did President Clinton and other major Democrat leaders LIE when they said this to the American people and the world?
joba606 8 months ago 3
@mjbarrowful Further, the Islamic paramilitary death squads, whom the mainstream media taught us to refer to as 'insurgents', slaughtered up to 100,000 innocent Iraqis - far more than any attributed to American forces.
Yet ALL their deaths were blamed on 'our presence' - by our mainstream media, of course. No matter how many innocent people were bombed and murdered by actual terrorists in Iraq on a daily basis, America took the blame.
joba606 8 months ago 3
@mjbarrowful Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and tens of thousands of terrorists from around the world are dead because of the campaign and infrastructure formerly known as the War on Terror. They have NOT lead to more terrorism simply because there are far few terrorists alive now then there were before 9/11.
joba606 8 months ago 3
@mjbarrowful And by the way...America is NOT an empire. As Bill Whittle said himself in a previous video, "If America is an empire, what nations' governments can America overturn at our whim? What nations does America have ruling governors in? There are NONE, and everybody knows it."
joba606 8 months ago 3
@mjbarrowful And just as Ronald Reagan's efforts happened a year after he left office, watching the Soviet Bloc collapse, the Arab Spring this year would NEVER have happened without Bush and the U.S. military planting freedom and democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan - by staying the course and not pulling out, which EVERY Democrat wanted Bush to do.
joba606 8 months ago 3
@mjbarrowful Bush was called a monster, Hitler, and other such leftistist stupidity for all of his anti-terror policies: Gitmo, the Patriot Act, waterboarding, secret prisons, domestic wiretapping, rendition, the Afghan war, the Iraq war, etc.
When Obama finally came into office with a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress, Obama and the Democrats overturned...nothing. NONE of Bush's policies were removed, not one. Why...?
joba606 8 months ago 4
@mjbarrowful Because they KNEW those policies kept us safe all along. They knew ALL ALONG that Bush was doing everything possible to prevent another 9/11 attack from happening...EVER again.
That's why Bush liberated Iraq and Aghanistan. So that the example of freedom in those countries would spread across the Middle East, which it did.
joba606 8 months ago 4
@mjbarrowful And for that, Bush's name and memory will be despised for eternity...because he wouldn't let the Democrats risk all our lives, and the Iraqis' lives, for political gain.
Thank you, President Bush. Hail to the Chief.
joba606 8 months ago 6
@joba606; Ditto.
PadraikKasier 7 months ago
@PadraikKasier Thank you.
joba606 7 months ago
Memebusters, haha.
routnex 8 months ago
Bill I would love to shake your hand some day. YOU SHOULD RUN FOR OFFICE!
MrMDK187 8 months ago
Is it true that Saddam Hussein was elected?
PoliticalWeekly 8 months ago
@PoliticalWeekly NO he took power by force. the elections where rigged.
MrMDK187 8 months ago
Damn right Bill!
Federalist306 9 months ago
nice!
frantro 9 months ago
Awesome!!! Thank you for telling the truth. With so many lies out there your messages are needed. Keep up the great work.
kruegerhaus 9 months ago 32
Bill, you're absolutely brilliant!
jimmmmie 9 months ago 42
Good stuff, Bill. I enjoy your videos.
ImHappynBP 9 months ago
Thank you Bill...Seriously.
U2XM202 9 months ago
The point is Whittle made this up. Bush was NOT told the car was coming in "a few minutes to get him out of there"". He was told the country was under attack. After reading he did photo ops, went to a staff room -pictures on the net of him in there- then made a statement to the press and left pretty much on schedule. Not waiting for a car. I'm an arch conservative. I think Bush's conduct was fine. Whittle's making up a converstion to give W an excuse he didn't need or use is not fine.
thomasjmurphy7 9 months ago
Well said Bill. You're doing God's work my friend.
realitycheck4freedom 9 months ago
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So let me get this straight: To help bring closure to the American people and to dispel any wild rumors or crazy conspiracy theories, (1) Obama decided to dump bin Laden's body in the sea, (2) Get rid of the physical evidence, (3) Give conflicting accounts to the media, and (4) Refuse to release any videos or photos of the operation. Huh?!? WTF is that?!? So much for that Obama "transparency."
joekiddone 9 months ago
This is crap. Whittle at 9:55: " The agent . .told him they were bringing the car around . .and it would be a few minutes". The "agent" was Chief of Staff Andrew Card who has been repeatedly asked about this and says he chose his words carefully and told Bush exactly: "A 2nd plane hit the 2nd tower. America is under attack." Why would the car need to come around? Couldn't the pres. limos stay in front for the 15 minute visit? Whittle just made this up to fit with story he was imagining.
thomasjmurphy7 9 months ago
@thomasjmurphy7 - Your conclusion is nonsense. After dropping the President off at the school, the motorcade went around to another entrance and waited for instructions from his staff. The Secret Service does not leave the Presidential motorcade in front of anything they arrive to. The motorcade always leaves from a different area and uses a different route upon departure. This is for security purposes. So they would have had to "bring it around" for him.
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@RocktheStageNYC - You focus on what doesn't matter and give no support for what you've said. The main point is that when Whittle tried to give W an excuse for sittling there stunned he made up a conversation about moving the limo that is totally ridiculous. "Agent" Card says he didn't say that to Bush and Bush doesn't give that account either. They were the only two involved in the exchange. By the way, how do you know what the limo did? Were you driving it?
thomasjmurphy7 9 months ago
@thomasjmurphy7 - your conclusion was based on a premise that the limo wasn't idling right outside. It NEVER is - don't you ever watch the History Channel? Multiple docs on the Secret Service, their tactics, practices and what went wrong at things like Reagan & Ford assassination attempts and what was changed because of them. Even if Whittle has his stories mixed up about what was said, the FACT is Bush HAD to sit and wait until the SS were prepped & ready to take him.
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@thomasjmurphy7 - Pt. 2 - The country had just been attacked, they don't just wisk the Pres. into a car and drive off - there are protocols, alternate plans to kick into gear with the onset of a terrorist attack. All that takes time. The fact that it only took minutes shows how efficient the SS are.
Whittle's point is they hounded Bush for sitting there for a few minutes while Obama "sleep on it" for 16 hours. Did you know FDR sat in a chair stunned for 20min after the Pearl Harbor attack?
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago 2
Mr. Whittle. At the end of every video could you please have a list of sources where you received your information. When I try to look up and research the information that you state in most of the videos, your information comes up as speculation from other writers(mostly from a right wing prespective) doing the same topic. It would really help in research for a majority of us students that are majoring in political science if you listed sources confirming facts and not opinion.
Redsiix 9 months ago
Outstanding, Bill! Well done!
thebronze 9 months ago
this video is just a huge BS. Guess what all those evil bad undemocratic dictors over there...... WHO PUT THEM IN THEIR POSITION AND SUPPORTED/TOLERATED THEM? WHO PROVIDED THEM WITH WESTERN BANK ACCOUNTS? WHO SHIPPED THE WEAPONS OVER THERE?
IT WAS YOU!!!!!!!! THE AMERICAN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, SO DONT GIMME THIS BS THAT THE US IS DOING SOMETHING USEFULL.
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor Please. 95% of Saddam Hussein's weapons came from Russia and China. We liberated your ungrateful asses 65 years ago, and you still think we should kiss Europe's bankrupt ass and follow your lead. Forget that.
Every war we had to fight in the 20th century was because of some lunatic from Europe - the only exception being Imperial Japan.
joba606 9 months ago 2
@joba606 "95% of Saddam Hussein's weapons came from Russia and China. "
LOL you are talking about the "weapons of mass destruction"? Or the onces YOU delivered as long he was your puppet against Iran?
"Every war we had to fight in the 20th century was because of some lunatic..."
Vietnam? Korea? Kuba(&middle america invasions)?
Oh, and by the way, how many casualities did the Iraq war cost all together, put that in perspective with the other "BAD BAD persons" you are talking about?
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor Sorry, you're right. I meant the first half of the 20th century's wars was your fault. My bad.
Yes, according to SIPRI, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, America supplied Saddam with about 5% of his military weapons. He was armed by Russia and China, mostly. Not the USA.
Wars take lives, we're never pleased with that. It also sucks that you Europeans can breathe easier by not having Saddam or Osama anymore, and still badmouth us at the same time.
joba606 9 months ago
@joba606 "It also sucks that you Europeans can breathe easier by not having Saddam or Osama anymore, and still badmouth us at the same time. "
sounds to me, that you always need some boogeyman, to make you happy, or should I say give you a sence of life?
I was never afraid of Saddam or Osama or some other fictional creature out of your boogeyman war justification box, I am more scared from the stupidity of the war monger fans.
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor And Saddam and Osama were NOT warmongers?! Wow, you're delusional.
joba606 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor - you and your country are the LAST ONES to lecture anyone on the downfalls or misdoings of their leaders or their country. In the grande scheme of history the United States of America has been and continues to be the most benevolent, charitable and free country that has ever existed. Your country cannot say the same. You started 2 World wars and lost both of them.
Now tuck your little prick back in your pants and stop pretending you can play with the big boys.
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@RocktheStageNYC "you and your country are the LAST ONES to lecture anyone on the downfalls or misdoings of their leaders or their country"
you should look at it the other way around: in Germany/Europe we know how easily ignorant people can be mislead by fascist leadership. But hey, you can stay stupid rejecting any kind of clue people give you that have experienced bad outcomes. AMERICA THE BEUATIFUL one nation UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all. Dont you feel kind of ridicuoulus?
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor - why should I feel ridiculous about a beautiful country, that lives under a moral code, is free from tyranny and fights for the rights of all who live here?
We don't ALLOW fascist, dictatorial leadership here - ever. That's why we created a Declaration of Independence.
Take a GOOD hard look at your country sir. The economy might be doing well but Germany has been overrun with Radical Muslims preaching hate in the streets. Fascist leadership indeed.
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@RocktheStageNYC "...and fights for the rights of all who live here?"
yes, sure. whos fighting? TSA, NSA, Homeland, CIA or Blackwater? right for whom? thats why you are bombing pakistan civilian, libian, iraq, vietnam in the past? see, listen to people like you, i feel deeply satisfied, what is coming to the american people in the next years.... cheers, your deserve what you get once your economy that you already dont have anymore collapses.
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor - Justice for all = Equal under the law. A German cannot lecture the US on killing civilians. 6 million Jews.
Every conflict you stated was the US (once again) coming to the defense of innocent people against tyranny and brutal dictators. We've liberated over 50 million Muslims. Germany? Zero.
The ONLY reason you can sleep peaceful at night is because the US is your guardian. If someone decided to invade Germany tomorrow your govt would be begging the US for help.
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@RocktheStageNYC
oh yes, sure. How many people died in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam due to their "dictators" and how many died due to the glories US liberations?
Liberated 50 Mio? Of what? Their lifes? Or you telling me that now that these are "liberated" they have better circumstances? Great job.
BTW: I can not slepp well, thinking that we might be the next once to be LIBERATED by this great nation.
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor - There is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. The United States does NOT conquer, we liberate. Except for Vietnam and Korea, we've been successful in liberating 100s of millions.
We liberated 50 million Muslims between Iraq and Afghanistan from their brutal leaders. And Yes, both countries are better off now that they are free from brutality and oppression.
Germany cannot say the same. You just killed 6 million
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@RocktheStageNYC "There is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest."
...said Alexander, said the Romans, said the crusaders, said Napolean, said Stalin, said Mao, said Castro,...
I guess the rest of the world is just not so educated as you, to understand your act of kindness. Thats why you are so popular in the rest of the world.
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
@GermanInvestor - All of those you mention used their force for conquest. The US does not. If that were the case - Japan, Korea, France, Germany, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam would all be part of the US. We ARE THE ONLY country in the history of the world that invades a country, gives it back and then helps them rebuild.
If it weren't for the US and the UK after WWII you'd be speaking Russian right now you ungrateful bastards.
RocktheStageNYC 9 months ago
@RocktheStageNYC "We ARE THE ONLY country in the history of the world that invades a country, gives it back"
face it: you give it "back" into the hands of the dictators you installed and/or the once that exploit their country from oil for you: egypt(mubarak), iran(pahlavi), kuba(batista)....
oh, you americans are concerned about "freedom"? why dont you invade Saudi Arabia, Syria & Jemen? have you ever read AI or humanrightswatch about the conditions over there?
GermanInvestor 9 months ago
Who, what ass load.
mollymooster 9 months ago
I LIKE PIZZA!
NumeroUnoGringo 9 months ago
Mr. Whittle - If you don't think waterboarding is torture, I suggest you have it done to you personally. Christopher Hitchens underwent it.
qtutoringhelps 9 months ago
@qtutoringhelps by comparison, waterboarding isn't kicking someone's teeth in, lacerating someone's body, branding someone with hot irons, amputating someone's limb while they're conscious, peeling off finger nails, impaling someone's eye, shooting someone in the leg, breaking someone's arm, throwing acid on someone's face or injecting someone with poison. Do you know the difference between all these things and waterboarding? Waterboarding doesn't cause permenant damage, everything else does.
theaznfishy 9 months ago
@theaznfishy
There are different kinds of pain and distress, I agree. Some cause permanent damage, fine. That doesn't change the essential nature of the activity.
qtutoringhelps 9 months ago
@qtutoringhelps But then you're equivacating waterboarding to all those things and just the simple thing of twisitng someone's arm. Technically all are done for the same means, extracting information. If someone doesn't tell you information they know willingly, what would you propose they do? Take in mind that these are religious Muslim fanatics that are so determined, many of them suicide bomb themselves.
theaznfishy 9 months ago
@theaznfishy
I'm not against the use of torture in certain cases, but I am against the use of politically correct euphemisms like "enhanced interrogation" and moral cowardice.
qtutoringhelps 9 months ago
Wow, I was not aware of what President Bush actually said aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. I don't even listen to the MSM but that lie of "Mission Accomplished" is so widespread that I actually thought it was true. Thanks again to Bill Whittle for spreading the truth!
nmuchess 9 months ago 2
personally, I am more of an objective observer... but wow... this is a powerful clip!
achmachat 9 months ago
Carter had a much harder decision to make than Obama did. For one thing, Osama bin Laden didnt have hostages that we were trying to free, the Seals were told to eliminate him and most likely everybody who were going to put up a fight.
When you keep getting the same intelligence for months that Osama Bin laden is in a compound and you survey the place, and then the CIA and FBI both tell you that Yea he is in there. Yea its a pretty sure bet he is.
Obama had an easy decision comapred to Carter
superlucci 9 months ago 2
"WATERBOARDING CAN'T BE TORTURE BECAUSE IT LEAVES YOU HEALTHIER THAN WHEN IT BEGAN"???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you F*CKING SERIOUS??? I stopped watching after that line.
cfern85 9 months ago
@cfern85 Waterboarding causes no physical damage. That's what he's saying.
joba606 9 months ago
@cfern85 Whittle made that statement based on photographic evidence. You on the other hand, have no apparent argument against it, you just can't stand to hear an argument that you find inconvenient, so you stop watching. Typical.
jculver1674 9 months ago
@jculver1674 You don't look at a photograph of someone to decide whether or not torturing them had an astound affect on their mental health jackass. He *looked fine*??? That's his evidence???
cfern85 9 months ago
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11:16 “Because if... the American people... say, ‘Send in the seals’...” WTF? When did the American people say to send in the Seals? They didn’t even know the situation was happening until it was over, let alone what options were available and the pros and cons of each one.
Fuck this, I’ve posted enough comments exposing the bullshit statements in your video for one day, I’m going to have a snack.
redlightmax 9 months ago
@redlightmax Make sure you get some more kool aid with that snack. Get real, you're grasping at straws; it's clear what Bill Whittle said, Americans are, and would be, for the raid, including the manner in which it was done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to gauge where public opinion is before it happens, especially on that issue, and Obama and his cabinet are indeed effective politicians.
Obama gave "the OK," and that's it. He did not get in office and then reorganize the CIA for it.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223 How could Americans be for the raid when they didn't even know it was happening? Sounds like you're trying to defend Whittle being called out on his bullshit statement that 11:16 the American people said to send in the Seals. Try harder.
redlightmax 9 months ago
@redlightmax Already asked and answered. -- "it's clear what Bill Whittle said, Americans are, and would be, for the raid, including the manner in which it was done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to gauge where public opinion is before it happens, especially on that issue, and Obama and his cabinet are indeed effective politicians.
Obama gave "the OK," and that's it. He did not get in office and then reorganize the CIA for it (as he tried to take credit for in his initial speech.)"
Vet223 9 months ago
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redlightmax 9 months ago
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redlightmax 9 months ago
11:10 “So which of your advisers insisted that you not launch this raid?” WTF? His advisers didn’t insist that the President do or not do anything. They gave him options: wait to confirm the intelligence (which at the time was at 50% to 80%), bomb the compound, or send in the Seals.
The last option was risky because plenty could go wrong, and if something did then Obama could forget a second term. Obama put his re-election on the line and didn’t take the easy option. I would call that gutsy.
redlightmax 9 months ago
@redlightmax So true in terms of the political impact if this raid had failed. A good comparison is with the Iranian Hostage rescue effort by the Carter Administration... where its failure certainly was a significant factor in his eventual defeat by Ronald Reagan in the 1980 election campaign.
Then again, sometimes a president has to live in the real world instead of Fantasyland and make tough calls that can backfire. Thanks to Obama's predecessors, the Seals had the training to pull this off.
GlanderBrondurg 9 months ago
@redlightmax Are you serious? He got no suggestions from advisers on what path to take? That's not the way the world or the presidency works. He is not in office to be a tactical and strategic genius, but he has others there for that, and it is without question that any possible outcomes he was given came with "but, I recommend this option to a much greater degree, you see, there are problems with X and Y, and Z is not as beneficial as A."
And faith in them also comes with a fair excuse.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223 There's a difference between suggesting an option and insisting on it. Whittle doesn't seem to get that.
redlightmax 9 months ago
@redlightmax Uh, you don't seem to get how the presidency works. Whittle never said anyone insisted he give the okay for the raid, he said "advice" and "advisors" in those instances. He said insisting once, about not doing it, which obviously is not literal insistence if the president overruled it. The point is, it was recommended to him by the people who actually *do* know what they're doing tactically and strategically, and it's *not* as if they told the facts and asked him what to do.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223 "He said insisting once, about not doing it, which obviously is not literal insistence if the president overruled it." lol WTF?
redlightmax 9 months ago
@redlightmax You need me to talk slower, or are you just down to acronyms for fun?
- You mischaracterized Whittle's statement. He never said anyone insisted, especially not as if giving an order as you have tried to allude to, that Obama give the go ahead for the mission. He asked who clamored that he *not* do that mission. If no-one, and also if the best analysis of the situation shows the American people loving the mission and hating escape or uncertainty, then I see no "guts" involved.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223 "...if the best analysis of the situation shows the American people loving the mission..." Of course they love it, it went without a hitch. If it was botched how many Americans would say that they wanted Obama to send in the Seals? So easy for you and Bill to play Monday morning quarterbacks.
redlightmax 9 months ago
@redlightmax Almost all of them that do now but to a lesser degree, assuming what I will of your definition of 'botched'... even just a visible attempt shows he's serious, something some accused Bush of not being. Even if bad or misinterpreted intel and it not being UBL, any rational complaint has to start with the people developing and analyzing intel, who he's all but forced to trust. The POTUS isn't the one to ask about chances of survival/success in a given scenario, either.
Vet223 9 months ago
@redlightmax If you're going to follow up with "well average guy XXX," just know that's all spin and media courtship. Look at Tora Bora, depends on who you ask... successful raid on a hard target that killed dozens of militants and terrorists and the recovery of intel, but had the timing been different there'd have been more...
or an atrocious waste of our trust and money that shows you nobody knows or cares what they're doing or a conspiracy, blablabla.
Obama will get the former treatment.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223 And then of course there's the matter of him promising the attempt long beforehand, and it being a good issue for him. Just about the only way he gets it stuck shouldering an error is by failing to live up to the promise, other than that he's got an "out" that he's said he's always been all about that approach.
Vet223 9 months ago
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redlightmax 9 months ago
Wow, I knew some neocon clown would try to take credit for the Arab Spring!
The Arab Spring is due to the combination of 1) a demographic youth bulge in the Arab World 2) dissemination of the culture of free societies in the West via TV and the Internet, which has inherent appeal to Middle Eastern youth 3) crushing economic conditions in the wake of the global financial crisis, and 4) the continued rule of many of these countries by sclerotic, archaic dictators who have failed to deliver.
amarrao95 9 months ago
@amarrao95 The 5th and most important reason was the example of a free Iraq.
The liberated nation of Iraq showed them what was possible - what they could actually have - and then they demanded the same for themselves.
joba606 9 months ago
@amarrao95 Really, your neighboring countries can't disseminate any perceived advantages of a massive political change to you? Other archaic dictators being done away with successfully? Whittle never said other factors didn't play a part, but to ignore the contribution of freer countries in the area that are at least *trying* positive self-determination (certainly changes things from "this is the way this part of the world works", no?).
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223 And what Whittle didn't mention was that an Arab spring type situation was predicted and was an attempted intel community goal to work for, dating back to the missions to secure and democratize Iraq and move the Afghanistan campaign in the same direction. Read "Shadow War," by Richard Miniter, for a very early, Bush era, description of political changes for countries that *can* conceivably free themselves to some degree, if nearby countries who couldn't showed them what they can have.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223
Iraq didn't lead the way with a model for how to overthrow dictatorships in a way that appealed to the young people in the Middle East. Egypt did.
Would you have rather that some pre-existing democracy invaded and occupied the oppressed American colonists, and then built a democracy there - eventually, or that they overthrew the British themselves and established the foundations of a long-lasting democratic government and civil society through self-determination, as actually happened?
amarrao95 9 months ago
@amarrao95 A model for it? Perhaps, but Egypt didn't really lead anything, they were following a trend and just had more to contend with. The guy who lit himself on fire in Tunisia didn't do that in a bubble, either. Like I said, read the book Shadow War by Richard Miniter, it predicts (/covers the Bush era intel community predicting) all this coming to fruition while recently the media and current govt analysts were flabbergasted that anything like it actually happened.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223
Most importantly, unlike Iraq, these new democracies will not be forcibly Capitalist, but self-determinedly Socialist. If you were paying attention, the demands of the students on the streets of everywhere from Egypt to Tunisia to even Morocco were democracy, govt'-funded education, and gov't-funded health care. [Even Iraq, despite all of the Paul Bremer-mandated privatization for and patronization of US multinationals, has something the US doesn't have - government-funded health care.]
amarrao95 9 months ago
@amarrao95 LOL, Iraq will forcibly be capitalist? Do you know ANYTHING about it? W Bush himself recommended to the GoI, who very much supported him, that they auction/privatize their oil wells, and instead they nationalized them. US soldiers owned those polling places that decided such things and their security, and often carried the ballots -dangerous cargo- to a place where vetted Iraqis would count them, just ensuring it was fair. All we did is ensure democracy took hold, wherever it led.
Vet223 9 months ago
@amarrao95 As for people's demands, yeah, and citizens of the People's Republic of China are starting to demand that decent housing become a public right that the government must provide, too. They don't understand what a market lacking enough privatization was and is doing to them, and most people throughout the world don't really comprehend the fact that individuals making their own private decisions are far better 'caretakers' to the hard worker than the state. So be it... screw yourself -
Vet223 9 months ago
@amarrao95 - screw yourself economically, I don't really give a damn. Plenty of European/Scandinavian counties have nationalized health care and resources and think that's the best route for education (though Sweden beats their butts in that category and has a far more capitalized and competitive education system than we do), *but they don't even think about threatening our security,* so we're fine with it. Self-determination is our safety, free market would just be another smart move.
Vet223 9 months ago
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Vet223 8 months ago
@amarrao95 As for your parallel, lol. First, we scarcely occupy and don't oppress innocent Iraqis. Second, *we didn't overthrow British rule ourselves* - we had invaluable and tide-turning help from the French, a pre-existing world power. It is not a bad guess that we would have lost without help, and no such guess is necessary with the Iraqis, we KNOW they lost without help! That was immediately after Saddam lost a war but he was still able to put down an uprising brutally. I'd rather = 1991.
Vet223 9 months ago
@Vet223
You can pick nits, such as French assistance to the Revolutionary Army, or little Tunisia sparking BIG Egypt, but:
-geopolitically, Egypt has MUCH more influence on the Arab World than Tunisia, and so it's revolution had far more significant implications for governance in large Middle Eastern nations.
-No matter how much the British/Americans disagreed, the American colonists/Iraqi people didn't/don't feel unoppressed or uncoccupied.
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amarrao95 9 months ago
@amarrao95 Pick nits? No, you're dodging me completely while I deliver on the one's you've made. Big and little doesn't matter, we're talking about *leading* here, Egypt obviously didn't lead Tunisia, nor Iraq, nor anything else like them. Quit changing the subject.
"Significant implications for governance" is just proving my point for me, that some other large Arab and/or middle-eastern state had attained some degree of governmental stability WITHOUT either autocrats or Islamists ruling.
Vet223 9 months ago
@amarrao95 And yes, most actually do feel un-oppressed and unoccupied, both when giving folks like me boat loads of free chai, or saying in broken english "Saddam bad, USA good!", etc, and when answering independent polls that showed even in 2006, arguably the worst and most violent year of the war, 2/3rds of Iraqis wanted us to stay until the job got done (most relating that to a security-competent GoI, Government of Iraq), rather than leaving immediately or at some pre-determined time.
Vet223 9 months ago
07:12 “But if [waterboarding]’s torture, it certainly is a different kind of torture...” WTF? The meme “waterboarding is torture” is either true or false, you’re trying to weasel out of admitting that it’s true.
7:32 “Now if that’s torture then it’s an odd kind of torture that leaves you healthier than you were before it started.” Double WTF? Are you suggesting that waterboarding makes you healthier?
Also, it’s Mr. President or President Obama, not Mr. Obama. At least address him by his title.
redlightmax 9 months ago
As always, great video Mr. whittle. I'm glad there are people like you around to expose the truth. I used to be a leftist, but is thanks to people such as yourself that I've seen the light.
Also, do you intend to make a 'part 2' to your video discussing Obama's past/upbringing?
BlueKenshin 9 months ago
thanks Bill, for setting the record straight. Sagman44 is correct - the folks who need to understand won't listen - cause they prefer the politico speak from the press and the great 'look what I did for you today' president - which is all b.s.
rickpearls 9 months ago
Amazing the lies the right will believe.
orion7747 9 months ago
@orion7747: “Amazing the lies the right will believe.”
Hmmm, yeah, like; Gitmo will be closing, the stimulus is imperative, unemployment won’t rise above 8%, energy costs must “necessarily” skyrocket, taxes won’t be raised for those making over 250k and waterboarding never leads to useful intel.
Yes, I see now what you mean.
PoliticallyBlazed 9 months ago
@PoliticallyBlazed See? More lies and spin. Glug, glug, kool-aid drinker.
orion7747 9 months ago
@orion7747: “More lies and spin.”
From President Obama, yes that is agreed; Sock-puppet.
PoliticallyBlazed 9 months ago
Osama got Obama. Bush let him go and said he "didn't think about him much."
Bush failed.
This guy is a master of spin and revisionism.
orion7747 9 months ago
I like Bill Whittle.
augustc4 9 months ago