I used to watch my grandma do this to my grandpa, theres a cloth at the end of the stick...Anyways, its safer to do the coining treatment. For that theres a tool where the coin shape is attached to a piece of wood, which is better than a random coin
I think it has to do with the loss of blood and the body's way of making blood cells kick into fix it mode. It's the body adjusting to a threat so it makes repairs upon itself.
Hahaha my dad has had this done to him and he bought a kit and have done thing to his arm too. Im not sure if it worked, but i do know that Chinese medicine is still in practice today because it has proven to work on many occasions. Even if it isnt scientifically proven, it works wonders.
Just because an overwhelming majority of people still hold some belief in the world being the be-all, end-all, doesn't mean geocentrism is right.
If placebo effect is enough to cure your woes, I'm happy for you; it means nothing was wrong with you or your father in the first place. But don't mistake oriental superstition with actual medicine, or you're just as bad off as the homeopaths who believe that watering down a toxin somehow creates a medicine.
@Rurne im guessing you are someone who doesnt believe in any medicine or method that havent been scentificly proven or studied. Oriental superstition is quite a word to throw out there. You do know that acupuncture hasnt really been proven, but works right? Its proven to work but hasnt been scientifically backed up. Are you gonna say that doesnt work too? Cause that would be ignorant.
@flapplewapple There's plenty of scientific research confirming the effects of acupuncture these days. Is why the UK Health service recommends it for lower back pain among other things; the list is growing. Even a 1st year med student isn't as blinkered and lazy in his research as Rurne obviously is. Ignorant is the right word.
@flapplewapple if it works, we should be able to prove it. Whats the mechanism? Can you reproduce the results? If it isnt scientifically backed up, then it is in fact not proven. Placebo has been demonstrated by science. You MUST demonstrate a reliable mechanism for the effect. Unfortunately, double blind trials cannot be performed in acupuncture.
@flapplewapple poor comparison in a statement that really doesnt support your position in any way other than subjectively. All you did was liken a controversial therapy with a fundamental force of physics. I certainly hope you arent trying to suggest that this "treatment" is on par with gravity in terms of reliability, reproducibility, or ubiquity. ugh...i think you are...
@jns124able Never said it was on par with all those ugly words. Im saying that this is probably something that is unexplainable. Like gravity. Why gravity works. Im also guessing you dont believe in a religion and do not bother to try and accept new ways?
@flapplewapple a lack of explanation doesnt give it any plausibility.
I dont think that these alternative treatments have as much analogous similarities with gravity as you are suggesting. Its just a bad comparison.
In any case...my ability to think critically and accept new ways led to my rejection of the religion I was born into. After years of careful consideration and reconsideration..Im 99.99% certain that there is nothing supernatural like the biblical god monitoring us. =)
@jns124able Lol I knew it. People that tend to think of EVERYTHING in a scientific way also tend to not have a religion. Besides, lack of explanation in both this and gravity was my point. If you wish to compare something as weird, lets say qigong. That what we Chinese believe to be the essence of life. It can be tracked by a heat detector, which is quite funny lol.
@flapplewapple imagine trackin g the "essence" of life with a heat detector...lol Where there is life there will be heat (metabolism etc) Im not sure if youre joking or not so Ill leave that alone.
Yes generally people that take a scientific (or evidence based) approach, tend to not accept religion, because theres no more religion evidence than unicorn evidence...except that religion has more subscribers. (but that in itself is not evidence of course)
@jns124able Lol it was just an example that there are some things science cant prove like the "essence" because there is a heat detector trace, but one can move this essence by their own will. Which is scientifically not proven. And yes, I agree that scientific people dont take religion seriously, but it begs the question. Who created everything. Or what. Religion is the closest thing we got.
@flapplewapple the problem is, you are assuming that something had to have created us. You MUST (if you are actually seeking the truth) consider that we are not created. We all may be wrong, but you must consider it.
@jns124able I consider everything. Religion is the most common way of thinking, but there are theories of a giant explosion, black hole, gods, etc. Religion seems to be the only one with some sort of background. Doesnt mean its right.
Lack of religion does not mean lack of imagination or curiousity into understanding the unknown. In fact, it is quite the opposite: the atheist/a-religious types fully accept there are greater forces at play than our current understanding. The difference is, instead of attributing it to a supernatural force, the a-religious rolls up his sleeves and gets to studying.
Why, I do believe you've got the idea there. Ignorant? Hardly. Remember, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". Belief structures come and go, but hard science remains.
@paintfly2 The UK Health service should have some reports showing this, right? As I'm not a Brit, I don't directly listen to them, but I do read the JAMA, BMJ, PubMed (The US NIH web archive), and The Lancet. Show me again where there's been a peer-reviewed article proving these back pain claims?
been doing it for 6 years now. everything is gone. ever wondered why modern science keeps changing? they keep discovering new side effect all the time, and why doesnt traditional medicine ever change? for thousands of years it never had any side effect. either cures slow or fast....thank for the video but this guy is not pro at all...
Not sure about that info. Why would the western media admit that the highest life expectancy is in china and india. The western media has always been striving in magnifying its image in line with their goal to "civilize" the world. All the underdeveloped countries who followed the west ended up with some twisted form of medicine not being western or eastern. Hence their life exp. rate is lower, unlike China and India and many other cultures that preferred to preserve their ways.
Just quickly looked at a couple lists on wikipedia.
China is ranked at best 82nd in a list of countries by life expectancy with a life expectancy of about 73 years, India is 139th (out of 195 countries) with a life expectancy of about 64.7 years.
Meanwhile countries such as Australia, Sweden, Japan and Canada all have life expectancies over 80.
my friend, any source is "second hand knowledge" here is my question: have you lived in china? do you speak the langauge? have you met the people? have you seen how old they are? have you seen how healthy they are? there is so much deception in today's world. its a sad thing. Don't believe me just do your own research to gather "FIRST" hand knowledge not second hand....good luck
Riight, because i can't trust any statistics that say otherwise because there must be some global conspiracy against chinese alternative medicine . . .
The romans actually used to use cupping as well. Bloodletting remained a popular treatment throughout the middle ages.
But then people discovered things like germs (i.e. the germ theory), and since realised that good hygiene etc. was a major aspect of staying healthy. We also realised that bloodletting is pointless, maybe even harmful.
Do you think i have the time to go to each individual country and asses how healthy each person is? That is why i make use of statistics. It saddens me that you are unable to provide any source at all as i asked. If there was any truth to your claims, surely SOMEONE would have been able to show it objectively. As cool as cupping and bloodletting sound as treatments, you must be able to tell given our current medical knowledge that they are of no practical benefit.
no need to be sad bro. the world used to call anyone a lunatic if he said the earth is oval instead of flat (that's what their version of Wikipedia used to say back than and many other sources) no conspiracies friend, just subjective vs. objective info. lived in china for so many years in 7 provinces and dealt with chinese locals mostly. sad to see how the west presents the country.
yes it was done by the romans, the arabs, the aboriginals in ozzy, the africans, the indians and even the native americans. do you know why cupping and other alternative treatments were forbidden centuries ago, because they had to pave the way for the institutionalization of the medical industry. that means get rid of any technique that cures many disese effectively, is almost for free, is easy to practice and does not take much time or money to learn. so they split it into endless specialties.
half my family are MD (western) and its sad to see how the whole industry is all about money bro. very few are authentic in healing others. there is a strong link between the pharma industry, health insurance and the MD practice. i cant generalize because the same is true about alternative medicine. there are many who want to rip you off
and of course you cant meet 2 billion Chinese to make a survey, but the research and observation i mean, is the same as that knowledge that for example, Europeans have about their own region, They travel within Europe and they know whats going on and can differentiate between whats correct mainstream media news and whats not...now ask them about arab countries....do you think they ll be able to distinguish whats true and whats not if they never lived there?
apology accepted, you may have provoked me just a bit by implying that modern western medicine is somehow flawed because it keeps changing.
One of the beauties of modern medicine is that new discoveries and technologies are quickly made use of in order to help improve the standard of people's lives.
I have nothing against alternative medicine, in fact i find some of it fascinating,
true, anything used in a skillful way with the intention of healing instead of more focus on profits can be very useful indeed. have a good day friend.
i m no docter or scientist, but i tried western medicine for many problems i had, didnt work at all, after seeing many doctors they all seemed as confused as each other and the pills they subscribed had more side effects than the disease itself...thank god some people still use the old ways, worked for me from day one.
This is not just cupping, he pricked the skin, then applied suction. Cupping alone can produce hematomas, and this is a practice that has been done all over the world- China, Africa, Italy, Russia. It creates a micro-injury that allows circulation to increase and blood borne hormones to come. It increases cell signaling. This is not a sterile situation, so differs from what you would find in a modern acupuncture office.
@ksvaughan2 The real question is: Does acupuncture-point microcirculation actually *do* anything? The only relevant article I found on the first few pages of PubMed was that it supposedly helps transplate epithelial cells in vitiligo sufferers, but that's about it. Everything else on there failed to show falsifiable, quantized data (pain/disability self-reports are completely subjective; use a MRI and chart nociceptor behavior and "increased cell signaling" instead).
not to get in everyone's face, but i was on a trip to my hometown in rural boonies China and they said it would cure my pollution induced head cold/congestion. Didn't work, but then again, that was my uncle's middle school educated neighbor. I think most of it is a placebo effect with slight endorphin rush from getting a cut and bleeding. probably doesn't do all the things modern medicine can - but then again costs = scrap paper + lighter fluid
The removal of the old blood helps re-establish healthy circulation to the muscles. The old, stagnant blood is the source of the pain. The suction cups also help pull new blood and interstitial fluid to the area (as well as his massaging) and restore healthy flow. It doesn't really hurt, and while this was done in pretty dirty conditions, in the modern clinic the conditions are very clean, everything is sterilized, alcohol swabs are used, and the cups are powerfully disinfected afterwards.
You're kidding, right? All this succeeds in doing is breaking the capillaries within the skin. "Stagnant blood" in the skin or muscles would cause bruising, jaundice, and eventual necrosis of the skin.
Seeing the number of people walking around with hypoxia-induced flesh rot, I'm going to guess this isn't the case. Acidosis as you described in a previous post is more likely a liver or kidney problem and isn't localized to the muscle; it simply doesn't work that way.
Arrogance? Um, did you even bother looking up any of the terms I used? Do you even know what a bruise is? Do you realize it would defy the laws of physics to pull blood from the lats, through the thoracolumbar fascia, and up through the pores?
Don't take my word for it. There are plenty molecular biologists more talented than I who've already done research on acidosis and hypoxia.
Oh, btw, blood never leaves the vascular system and would only stop flowing due to an aneurysm.
yes, arrogance. If you actually understod the procedure, which you don't, then you would know that blood is not being pulled up through the pores. And yes, I do know the terms you are describing.
If you actually knew what you were talking about, then you'd understand that blood stagnation is a bogus term. Even in the instances I've seen where the skin was broken prior to the cup being applied, there's still nothing to indicate any of the claims you've stated. Proper stretching and exercise, posture, and stretching would promote proper vascular health.
Blood simply does not pool in the muscles as you've continued to state. If it did, this guy would have worse issues than a stiff back.
not to throw fuel on the fire, but they also pinch the corners of old ladies' shoulders until there is a giant purple welt about the size of a tictac and then pierce it with a shard of broken pottery - supposed to cure nausea and other small things. then again they also stand chopsticks up on their ends to ward off spirits. So i'm not sure what part is physiological and what part is psychological. do the shoulders have a specific thing?
Crushed capillaries? A bruise is an abnormality. You *aren't* supposed to bleed subcutaneously. It's a blessing of evolution that we've managed to come up with a lymphatic system that cleans up that sort of mess.
The purpose of this technique is to help relieve deep seated tension and pain in the muscles of the back. The seated man had a long-standing circulatory issue in his back and over time this causes a buildup of waste and lactic acid in the muscle layer- the blood in the muscles actually can denature and become quite viscous. By puncturing with a needle/lancet and providing a way for the blood to escape, they then used suction cups to pull it out. The burning paper inside created the suction.
as i said before, no infection, no cure, no bad problems except slight hickey where the cup was. for infections, a kindergarden class is probably 10x worse hahaha...
Remember, hospitals haven't been around very long. Hospital levels of sanitation, either. And severe infections from this kind of homeopathy are rare in the hands of a skilled bloodletter. In fact, it was such a common practise a hundred years ago, it was offered in barber shops!
okay, Thank you for answering my question. I'm very inquisitive you see. What does getting vupped and blood-letted feel like? Do they follow the rules? Do they throw away the cups with blood in them? Do they make the right precautions?
rules? haha - no, that was my aunt's neighbor with a small sewing needle and a old inkwell. It's the countryside, they're not too big on procedures or hygiene - though he did use 120 proof corn whiskey to sterilize everything beforehand - that stuff really burns easily...:)
Maybe you should try a little bloodletting. Start by dropping a pint when you donate. You can donate blood, right, or are you scared of needles? Bloodletting feels good and is exercise for the blood making system.
but because I go back to China to visit my relatives, Red Cross won't let me donate for fear of blood borne illnesses, so can't really bloodlet that way. And no, not afraid of needles, how do you think they create the holes for cupping?
I wouldn't bother. At the Red Cross you're donating 10 or 100 times more than you're letting here.
Most of the pleasant feeling of bloodletting is due to the sensation of the skin around the cut; you're not reducing your blood volume by any real degree.
Cupping often feels like getting a massage, In the states, cups are sterilized or cleaned with bleach or soap with water between use, though -- not just wiped off.
why did i instantly think of farting blood. When it snot even in the title =/ something seriously wrong with me.
ZuvioxArts 2 months ago
Wow, they don't even have a table..
rageagaintstheNWO 2 months ago
I was watching an Idiot abroad...
andysanj 3 months ago 18
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@andysanj So was I *backs away slowly*
busterkeatonsbriefs 3 months ago
@andysanj me 2, i thought that was Karl first. Looks like I've stumbled into the wrong side of youtube.
roykoopa25 2 months ago
@andysanj same...
16Brandan 2 weeks ago
hudebudangebaugsbula ? what the fuck hahaha
MrGrunzii 4 months ago
I'd rather just take an advil..
SeannDeere 5 months ago
I used to watch my grandma do this to my grandpa, theres a cloth at the end of the stick...Anyways, its safer to do the coining treatment. For that theres a tool where the coin shape is attached to a piece of wood, which is better than a random coin
xxalmond1joyxx 6 months ago
@UkPR0 Heat kills bacteria dude.
CyberDragonZero 6 months ago
All I heard was "beaur ber buea chong cing tong clar blahr blahr bearur" the whole time. What are they saying?!?!
XboxHacking101 7 months ago
Its bad way and unclean
By butting a burn paper on the cup
The islam way more cleaner than this way
Copy this word and checkout the islam cupping way (حجامة)
mohamed12334 7 months ago
Chinese medicine system's idea is different from the west.
tomlovegod 8 months ago
why do so many of these chinese treatments look liek take place in a basement or parking garage and that its some random guy off the street doing it?
cerevox 10 months ago
Hey it's long duck dong's uncle
nascar2w 1 year ago
woea!
MDF12 1 year ago
This kind of medication is very common in indonesia and south east Asia. brought by the chinese who migrate there.
sharkcrocodile 1 year ago
I think it has to do with the loss of blood and the body's way of making blood cells kick into fix it mode. It's the body adjusting to a threat so it makes repairs upon itself.
lokisballz 1 year ago
da willste mal was verstehen
TheGangster28 1 year ago
Hahaha my dad has had this done to him and he bought a kit and have done thing to his arm too. Im not sure if it worked, but i do know that Chinese medicine is still in practice today because it has proven to work on many occasions. Even if it isnt scientifically proven, it works wonders.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple
Just because an overwhelming majority of people still hold some belief in the world being the be-all, end-all, doesn't mean geocentrism is right.
If placebo effect is enough to cure your woes, I'm happy for you; it means nothing was wrong with you or your father in the first place. But don't mistake oriental superstition with actual medicine, or you're just as bad off as the homeopaths who believe that watering down a toxin somehow creates a medicine.
Rurne 1 year ago
@Rurne im guessing you are someone who doesnt believe in any medicine or method that havent been scentificly proven or studied. Oriental superstition is quite a word to throw out there. You do know that acupuncture hasnt really been proven, but works right? Its proven to work but hasnt been scientifically backed up. Are you gonna say that doesnt work too? Cause that would be ignorant.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple There's plenty of scientific research confirming the effects of acupuncture these days. Is why the UK Health service recommends it for lower back pain among other things; the list is growing. Even a 1st year med student isn't as blinkered and lazy in his research as Rurne obviously is. Ignorant is the right word.
paintfly2 1 year ago
@flapplewapple if it works, we should be able to prove it. Whats the mechanism? Can you reproduce the results? If it isnt scientifically backed up, then it is in fact not proven. Placebo has been demonstrated by science. You MUST demonstrate a reliable mechanism for the effect. Unfortunately, double blind trials cannot be performed in acupuncture.
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able Lol. Its like trying to prove gravity. It works? yes. Can we prove why? no.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple poor comparison in a statement that really doesnt support your position in any way other than subjectively. All you did was liken a controversial therapy with a fundamental force of physics. I certainly hope you arent trying to suggest that this "treatment" is on par with gravity in terms of reliability, reproducibility, or ubiquity. ugh...i think you are...
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able Never said it was on par with all those ugly words. Im saying that this is probably something that is unexplainable. Like gravity. Why gravity works. Im also guessing you dont believe in a religion and do not bother to try and accept new ways?
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple a lack of explanation doesnt give it any plausibility.
I dont think that these alternative treatments have as much analogous similarities with gravity as you are suggesting. Its just a bad comparison.
In any case...my ability to think critically and accept new ways led to my rejection of the religion I was born into. After years of careful consideration and reconsideration..Im 99.99% certain that there is nothing supernatural like the biblical god monitoring us. =)
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able Lol I knew it. People that tend to think of EVERYTHING in a scientific way also tend to not have a religion. Besides, lack of explanation in both this and gravity was my point. If you wish to compare something as weird, lets say qigong. That what we Chinese believe to be the essence of life. It can be tracked by a heat detector, which is quite funny lol.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple imagine trackin g the "essence" of life with a heat detector...lol Where there is life there will be heat (metabolism etc) Im not sure if youre joking or not so Ill leave that alone.
Yes generally people that take a scientific (or evidence based) approach, tend to not accept religion, because theres no more religion evidence than unicorn evidence...except that religion has more subscribers. (but that in itself is not evidence of course)
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able Lol it was just an example that there are some things science cant prove like the "essence" because there is a heat detector trace, but one can move this essence by their own will. Which is scientifically not proven. And yes, I agree that scientific people dont take religion seriously, but it begs the question. Who created everything. Or what. Religion is the closest thing we got.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple the problem is, you are assuming that something had to have created us. You MUST (if you are actually seeking the truth) consider that we are not created. We all may be wrong, but you must consider it.
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able I consider everything. Religion is the most common way of thinking, but there are theories of a giant explosion, black hole, gods, etc. Religion seems to be the only one with some sort of background. Doesnt mean its right.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple we all believe something, the thing is: do you have good or bad reasons for your beliefs?
jns124able 1 year ago
@flapplewapple
Lack of religion does not mean lack of imagination or curiousity into understanding the unknown. In fact, it is quite the opposite: the atheist/a-religious types fully accept there are greater forces at play than our current understanding. The difference is, instead of attributing it to a supernatural force, the a-religious rolls up his sleeves and gets to studying.
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Rurne 1 year ago
@Rurne Very well said.
eBiology 1 year ago
@flapplewapple
Why, I do believe you've got the idea there. Ignorant? Hardly. Remember, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". Belief structures come and go, but hard science remains.
@paintfly2 The UK Health service should have some reports showing this, right? As I'm not a Brit, I don't directly listen to them, but I do read the JAMA, BMJ, PubMed (The US NIH web archive), and The Lancet. Show me again where there's been a peer-reviewed article proving these back pain claims?
Rurne 1 year ago
Even if it doesn't work, it looks like it might feel good.
chaosopher23 1 year ago
been doing it for 6 years now. everything is gone. ever wondered why modern science keeps changing? they keep discovering new side effect all the time, and why doesnt traditional medicine ever change? for thousands of years it never had any side effect. either cures slow or fast....thank for the video but this guy is not pro at all...
oceanmen100 2 years ago
Countries that have the highest life expectancy all use western medicine.
ThMrksman 2 years ago
Not sure about that info. Why would the western media admit that the highest life expectancy is in china and india. The western media has always been striving in magnifying its image in line with their goal to "civilize" the world. All the underdeveloped countries who followed the west ended up with some twisted form of medicine not being western or eastern. Hence their life exp. rate is lower, unlike China and India and many other cultures that preferred to preserve their ways.
oceanmen100 2 years ago
Just quickly looked at a couple lists on wikipedia.
China is ranked at best 82nd in a list of countries by life expectancy with a life expectancy of about 73 years, India is 139th (out of 195 countries) with a life expectancy of about 64.7 years.
Meanwhile countries such as Australia, Sweden, Japan and Canada all have life expectancies over 80.
All statistics suggest that you are wrong.
ThMrksman 2 years ago
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oceanmen100 2 years ago
thats wikipedia bro... : )
if you want truth its good to investigate yourself
oceanmen100 2 years ago
Find a source, any source, that lists china and india ahead of any of australia, japan, sweden, canada. I dare you to.
Until you can, i have no choice but to view your claims as rampant speculation.
ThMrksman 2 years ago
my friend, any source is "second hand knowledge" here is my question: have you lived in china? do you speak the langauge? have you met the people? have you seen how old they are? have you seen how healthy they are? there is so much deception in today's world. its a sad thing. Don't believe me just do your own research to gather "FIRST" hand knowledge not second hand....good luck
oceanmen100 2 years ago
Riight, because i can't trust any statistics that say otherwise because there must be some global conspiracy against chinese alternative medicine . . .
The romans actually used to use cupping as well. Bloodletting remained a popular treatment throughout the middle ages.
But then people discovered things like germs (i.e. the germ theory), and since realised that good hygiene etc. was a major aspect of staying healthy. We also realised that bloodletting is pointless, maybe even harmful.
ThMrksman 2 years ago
Do you think i have the time to go to each individual country and asses how healthy each person is? That is why i make use of statistics. It saddens me that you are unable to provide any source at all as i asked. If there was any truth to your claims, surely SOMEONE would have been able to show it objectively. As cool as cupping and bloodletting sound as treatments, you must be able to tell given our current medical knowledge that they are of no practical benefit.
ThMrksman 2 years ago
no need to be sad bro. the world used to call anyone a lunatic if he said the earth is oval instead of flat (that's what their version of Wikipedia used to say back than and many other sources) no conspiracies friend, just subjective vs. objective info. lived in china for so many years in 7 provinces and dealt with chinese locals mostly. sad to see how the west presents the country.
oceanmen100 2 years ago
yes it was done by the romans, the arabs, the aboriginals in ozzy, the africans, the indians and even the native americans. do you know why cupping and other alternative treatments were forbidden centuries ago, because they had to pave the way for the institutionalization of the medical industry. that means get rid of any technique that cures many disese effectively, is almost for free, is easy to practice and does not take much time or money to learn. so they split it into endless specialties.
oceanmen100 2 years ago
half my family are MD (western) and its sad to see how the whole industry is all about money bro. very few are authentic in healing others. there is a strong link between the pharma industry, health insurance and the MD practice. i cant generalize because the same is true about alternative medicine. there are many who want to rip you off
oceanmen100 2 years ago
and of course you cant meet 2 billion Chinese to make a survey, but the research and observation i mean, is the same as that knowledge that for example, Europeans have about their own region, They travel within Europe and they know whats going on and can differentiate between whats correct mainstream media news and whats not...now ask them about arab countries....do you think they ll be able to distinguish whats true and whats not if they never lived there?
oceanmen100 2 years ago
my apology if i was sarcastic or provoking at any moment!!
oceanmen100 2 years ago
apology accepted, you may have provoked me just a bit by implying that modern western medicine is somehow flawed because it keeps changing.
One of the beauties of modern medicine is that new discoveries and technologies are quickly made use of in order to help improve the standard of people's lives.
I have nothing against alternative medicine, in fact i find some of it fascinating,
ThMrksman 2 years ago
but it would be silly to reject modern medicine in favour of it, just because side effects are sometimes discovered for certain things.
ThMrksman 2 years ago
true, anything used in a skillful way with the intention of healing instead of more focus on profits can be very useful indeed. have a good day friend.
oceanmen100 2 years ago
i m no docter or scientist, but i tried western medicine for many problems i had, didnt work at all, after seeing many doctors they all seemed as confused as each other and the pills they subscribed had more side effects than the disease itself...thank god some people still use the old ways, worked for me from day one.
oceanmen100 2 years ago
This is not just cupping, he pricked the skin, then applied suction. Cupping alone can produce hematomas, and this is a practice that has been done all over the world- China, Africa, Italy, Russia. It creates a micro-injury that allows circulation to increase and blood borne hormones to come. It increases cell signaling. This is not a sterile situation, so differs from what you would find in a modern acupuncture office.
ksvaughan2 2 years ago
@ksvaughan2 The real question is: Does acupuncture-point microcirculation actually *do* anything? The only relevant article I found on the first few pages of PubMed was that it supposedly helps transplate epithelial cells in vitiligo sufferers, but that's about it. Everything else on there failed to show falsifiable, quantized data (pain/disability self-reports are completely subjective; use a MRI and chart nociceptor behavior and "increased cell signaling" instead).
Rurne 2 years ago
not to get in everyone's face, but i was on a trip to my hometown in rural boonies China and they said it would cure my pollution induced head cold/congestion. Didn't work, but then again, that was my uncle's middle school educated neighbor. I think most of it is a placebo effect with slight endorphin rush from getting a cut and bleeding. probably doesn't do all the things modern medicine can - but then again costs = scrap paper + lighter fluid
bzhanger 2 years ago
dont that hurt
tifjleung 2 years ago
I'm guessing it's like the idea of acupuncture it looks painful but it feels nice.
nibargerswife51482 2 years ago
The approach may seem a little Eeerrr...due to the location & lifestyle at the town.
I've been in a modern city, the way they does it seems more hygenic with the same fundamental ailment healing. THE CUPPING THERAPY
nyc3650 2 years ago
The removal of the old blood helps re-establish healthy circulation to the muscles. The old, stagnant blood is the source of the pain. The suction cups also help pull new blood and interstitial fluid to the area (as well as his massaging) and restore healthy flow. It doesn't really hurt, and while this was done in pretty dirty conditions, in the modern clinic the conditions are very clean, everything is sterilized, alcohol swabs are used, and the cups are powerfully disinfected afterwards.
mdi1966 2 years ago
You're kidding, right? All this succeeds in doing is breaking the capillaries within the skin. "Stagnant blood" in the skin or muscles would cause bruising, jaundice, and eventual necrosis of the skin.
Seeing the number of people walking around with hypoxia-induced flesh rot, I'm going to guess this isn't the case. Acidosis as you described in a previous post is more likely a liver or kidney problem and isn't localized to the muscle; it simply doesn't work that way.
I mean... seriously?
Rurne 2 years ago 7
Actually, you've probably never experienced or studied this technique. You're arrogance is impressive.
mdi1966 2 years ago
Arrogance? Um, did you even bother looking up any of the terms I used? Do you even know what a bruise is? Do you realize it would defy the laws of physics to pull blood from the lats, through the thoracolumbar fascia, and up through the pores?
Don't take my word for it. There are plenty molecular biologists more talented than I who've already done research on acidosis and hypoxia.
Oh, btw, blood never leaves the vascular system and would only stop flowing due to an aneurysm.
Rurne 2 years ago
yes, arrogance. If you actually understod the procedure, which you don't, then you would know that blood is not being pulled up through the pores. And yes, I do know the terms you are describing.
mdi1966 2 years ago
If you actually knew what you were talking about, then you'd understand that blood stagnation is a bogus term. Even in the instances I've seen where the skin was broken prior to the cup being applied, there's still nothing to indicate any of the claims you've stated. Proper stretching and exercise, posture, and stretching would promote proper vascular health.
Blood simply does not pool in the muscles as you've continued to state. If it did, this guy would have worse issues than a stiff back.
Rurne 2 years ago
not to throw fuel on the fire, but they also pinch the corners of old ladies' shoulders until there is a giant purple welt about the size of a tictac and then pierce it with a shard of broken pottery - supposed to cure nausea and other small things. then again they also stand chopsticks up on their ends to ward off spirits. So i'm not sure what part is physiological and what part is psychological. do the shoulders have a specific thing?
bzhanger 2 years ago
@Rurne Of course it does - what do you think a bruise is?
paintfly2 1 year ago
@paintfly2
Crushed capillaries? A bruise is an abnormality. You *aren't* supposed to bleed subcutaneously. It's a blessing of evolution that we've managed to come up with a lymphatic system that cleans up that sort of mess.
Rurne 1 year ago
The purpose of this technique is to help relieve deep seated tension and pain in the muscles of the back. The seated man had a long-standing circulatory issue in his back and over time this causes a buildup of waste and lactic acid in the muscle layer- the blood in the muscles actually can denature and become quite viscous. By puncturing with a needle/lancet and providing a way for the blood to escape, they then used suction cups to pull it out. The burning paper inside created the suction.
mdi1966 2 years ago
lol, yea. All those germs that survive the firey death they're goin' to will totally give this kid an infection.
SkanRashke 3 years ago
as i said before, no infection, no cure, no bad problems except slight hickey where the cup was. for infections, a kindergarden class is probably 10x worse hahaha...
bzhanger 3 years ago 10
y do u do that stuff
GamingNoob101 3 years ago
it was my first time to try it out. gotta try everything at least once. didn't work, so i'm satisfied to say i probably won't do it again.
bzhanger 3 years ago
I agree, with a little open mindedness one can learn so much!
247XPRESS 2 years ago
they need more sanitary conditions-mess around and get a severe infection
lovedbyall28 3 years ago
not too bad - they sterilized everything before hand and after as well. not exactly ICU clean, but at least not that much risk for infection.
bzhanger 3 years ago
Remember, hospitals haven't been around very long. Hospital levels of sanitation, either. And severe infections from this kind of homeopathy are rare in the hands of a skilled bloodletter. In fact, it was such a common practise a hundred years ago, it was offered in barber shops!
SkanRashke 3 years ago 2
Do the people give the cupped, blood-letted people band-aids after? Or do they have special cloths?
WolfDOuka 4 years ago
it just stops bleeding - nothing's needed.
bzhanger 4 years ago
okay, Thank you for answering my question. I'm very inquisitive you see. What does getting vupped and blood-letted feel like? Do they follow the rules? Do they throw away the cups with blood in them? Do they make the right precautions?
WolfDOuka 4 years ago
rules? haha - no, that was my aunt's neighbor with a small sewing needle and a old inkwell. It's the countryside, they're not too big on procedures or hygiene - though he did use 120 proof corn whiskey to sterilize everything beforehand - that stuff really burns easily...:)
bzhanger 4 years ago
Maybe you should try a little bloodletting. Start by dropping a pint when you donate. You can donate blood, right, or are you scared of needles? Bloodletting feels good and is exercise for the blood making system.
chaosopher23 4 years ago
but because I go back to China to visit my relatives, Red Cross won't let me donate for fear of blood borne illnesses, so can't really bloodlet that way. And no, not afraid of needles, how do you think they create the holes for cupping?
bzhanger 4 years ago
I wouldn't bother. At the Red Cross you're donating 10 or 100 times more than you're letting here.
Most of the pleasant feeling of bloodletting is due to the sensation of the skin around the cut; you're not reducing your blood volume by any real degree.
Still, great video.
scribefigaro 4 years ago
What a stupid idea. Bloodletting is moronic.
Johnmike811 4 years ago
This looks interesting, how's it feel to have done?
WYTCHERY88 4 years ago
Cupping often feels like getting a massage, In the states, cups are sterilized or cleaned with bleach or soap with water between use, though -- not just wiped off.
vcariuslvn 4 years ago 2