You do a gr8 Job Brian keep it up. Many will be saved by your video's and understand that its all about Jesus. Our Great awesome God and saviour. :-) Praise and Glory be to Him. X
I have been given a tour of the facilities in Brooklyn, NY. And as I was observing the Jw;s in my group, it was like they were in heaven. Great Job brother.
>"Africans in bondage were forced to accept Catholicism, but they refused to give up their traditions completely. So they created a new form of worship with elements taken from both religions. Such a merging of religious practices is called syncretism. ..."Syncretism allows us to worship the Catholic god on the altar, but what we see is the African god behind it." "<
>"Syncretism allows us to worship the Catholic god on the altar, but what we see is the African god behind it." "<
= Syncretism allows JWs to worship the Watchtower Society God, but what JWs REALLY SEE, is the 144,001 anointed god's behind it!
JWs glory in men, they are the gods behind the Watchtower Society! THAT is the entire set up of the JWs religion! They have put men in the office of Christ the Lord Jesus!
@October31st1517 Mark...We have been thru this silly topic before......I am NOT the one that believes EVERYTHING his Pastor tells him. The TRINITY is taught NO WHERE in the bible but that is the central theme of your religion....Talk about final authority.......
@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
@Justice4vr Dude I have no idea what you're talking about. If you have a question go ahead and ask it..... clearly I can't see the message for whatever reason. If you don't want to ask again cool but in that case please stop asking for an answer or if I saw it over and aver.
@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
The book is an old edition & outdated. No point to have it crosscheck. Although its 1960's book, some items might not be applicable anymore. It might be corrected, revised or discarded for 2011. You know that even in science & physics book, right?
@jandysanchez Your comment had nothing to do with what I said. Jude 3 tells us that the faith that we have was taught ONCE and for ALL TIME. There is no such thing as progressive Faith. This is something the WT teaches. not the Bible.
@jandysanchez Also, The WT has had so many false prophecies that it is forced to use the "new light" excuse to hide from being exposed as a false prophet. Proverbs 4:18 isn't even about false prophecy, It's about the life of a righteous man. The WT had to take it out of context in order to hid behind it. :-)
How might Satan use religious leaders and teachers to deceive us; what does THE BIBLE REALLY Teach?
The Word of God Jesus Christ warned us: "false prophets", "false teachers" and "false christs" would come:
"Take heed that no man deceive you. FOR MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, I AM CHRIST; and shall deceive many...Behold, I have told you before." Mat24
JW religious leaders and teachers claim to be "The Christ" composite seed of 144,001 MANY CHRISTS
@barbsinclair Again, ""Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ that is, TO BRING CHRIST DOWN" Romans 10:6
Stop bringing Christ down you don't know who is anointed or not. "YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father…. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie] John 8:44. YOU know well they don't claim the title Christ
@barbsinclair I know Christ means anointed but that is not thier language that they use and YOU know that, or did you rely on 2nd hand info on that one?? Hmmmm
I guess in the 1920's they had more respect for God's word kneeling to God. By the way that article also mentioned "they kneel to pray" I guess that was respect that doesn't exist today.
Sorry to chime in late. This is just another example of the WTBTS repudiating Sola Scriptura and embracing it's own idolatrous autonomous autocratic authority with sticks its middle finger at the sole and ultimate authority of God's infallible, inerrant, inspired word the bible alone!
I love your face when you say, "simple flag salute" ... like it's no big thing! Get a clue Brian.. Do some research Brian, you will find from many sources that the flag salute is absolutely tantamout to worship!
Most so called "christians" will at least "claim" readiness to give their lives for country... What is that, if not worship? As for the rest of the nonsense in this video... If you could possibly humble yourself enough to read the magazines with an open mind... Who knows?
@RussianRevolutionary """Most so called "christians" will at least "claim" readiness to give their lives for country... What is that, if not worship?"""" So a fireman running into a burning building is what? Worshiping fire? Worshiping the city he works for? That silly.
@RussianRevolutionary"If you could possibly humble yourself enough to read the magazines with an open mind... Who knows?" Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black? Why don't you humble yourself with a open mind and head over to Cultwatch(dot) com and realize that Brian actually cares about you and your salvation?
Also, the reason there is said to be a message from Jehovah in the WT is because anything said in it is backed by scripture. The bible is quoted all through any WT so unless you believe that the bible is not Gods word you must agree.
@Josiahvidz I do pray before I eat..... but I do not believe that Jehovah is sending me messages and and controlling my doctrine and behavior through my hamburger. Nice try but apples and oranges my friend.
@21crosscheck21 That was a good attempt to try to get yourself off the hook, but in this video you claimed that this article proved we worship the WT because they kneeled and prayed before reading it, but if that is the case then you worship the food you eat.
@Josiahvidz I'm not on "the hook" my friend.... you are :') I was merely pointing out that your analogy was very flawed. Let me ask you.... Do you do what the Watchtower commends in this article?
@21crosscheck21 Yes, as i said the WT is a bible based pulblication, and we pray for Gods Holy Spirit whenver considering spiritual material. We pray to help us make decisions, going to bed, ect. You are just using your usual deceptive techniches to try to inflate something that most people do. Just like the pharisies were always trying to make things Jesus did seem wrong, but Jesus knew better. Sorry dude try again.
"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957, June 15, p 370.
And just where are these directions for the most part found?
In the Watchtower magazine!
And here your Organization is saying it is like God's voice.
You are a like pharisee for you worship an Organization.
The Organization is not Co- savior with Jesus Christ, only he is.
@Josiahvidz "Yes, as i said the WT is a bible based pulblication, and we pray for Gods Holy Spirit whenver considering spiritual material."
Josiah, maybe you should pray for clearer understanding? The publications are "New World Translation" based and not Bible based. Let me ask you this, Why is the (most accurate) translation not found on websites such as biblegateway and biblos (dot) com? There is a reason for this Josiah, I hope you wake up and realize that something is wrong with the WTBTS
@1914watcher People are free to use whatever translation they so choose to look up the scriptual references. Just like you are free to make stupid comments like this one. Everyone knows those sites are biased towards main stream christianity. Duh!!
@Josiahvidz "Just like you are free to make stupid comments like this one." Josiah, you try and prove 1914 to me? You can't, it's a lie and it's not a biblical teaching by no means at all. The only stupid comments here is the Watchtower doctrine that you boast as the truth.
2) Everyone knows those sites are biased towards main stream Christianity. Josiah, JW's are a cult and it is well documented by groups that identify cults. Look up Steve Hassan sometime, let me guess, he is biased too?
@1914watcher "you try and prove 1914 to me? You can't"
Now why would I do that? You are already admitting here to be a goat. Can't teach a rock to rollover, he only knows the command to stay.
"JW's are a cult"
Followers of Jesus were also considered the be a sect called "the way" (Acts 9:1, 2)
Of course there biased. You sought them out because of there opinion. There are many who don't include them and don't see you braging on them. You are biased urself.
@Josiahvidz "You are already admitting here to be a goat." No Josiah, your calling me a goat because I disagree with you and so does the scriptures. I was taught the same things as you. JW's hold to 607 and say the BIBLE proves it as a FACT. Jeremiah 25:12 clearly proves to be a serious scriptural problem for Jw's.vs 12) "70 yrs have been fulfilled" Jehovah will call to account. When did Jehovah call account? This would have been 539 now count back 70 and you have 609? Bye,bye 607 and 1914.
@Josiahvidz Josiah you can't prove 1914 and all that date implies. That's why you won't try. Why not do it for all those who watch and never comment? Or are they all bias as well?
@Josiahvidz Those article went far beyond calling it "bible based material" my friend. They believed Jehovah God was speaking to then through it. That makes it prophetic my friend
@Josiahvidz You don't see the idolatry in the illustration? The pagans would bow and pray before their idols, waiting for their god to speak through the idol. WatchTower is paganism my friend!
Very interesting find Brian! This is one of those bait and switch tactics that ones studying with JW's might find. As they are studying, the Watchtower literature is simply "bible study aids." But once you're baptized and "in," then it becomes what this article describes. Imagine what would happen if all who are studying to become a JW were told these things up front?
The Cross of Christendom has become a symbol of faith. Get that, a "symbol" of their faith, without which you cannot be a Christian. The Trinity has become a "symbol" of faith, without which you cannot be a Christian.
These acts are idolatry according to Exodus 20.
So you can worship a "tree" KJV, or the true Lord, Jesus Christ, of which there is no representation other than that which the Bible gives us; his Kingship.
DO JW'S WORSHIP THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?" Yes they do. They give them a place in their lives that belong to God. As far as this video being a "veiled attack" on the FDS.... I am sorry I wasn't more clear. The FDS demands this place in your life my friend. Let me say I find that to be an abomination.
God gave them authority which we respect. You don't believe it doesn't but it isso.
Was Moses worshiped? Was Paul worshiped? No. Yet these things Paul wrote of himself. 1Cor14:37; 1Cor16:1; 1Thess4:2.
And his purposer? 2Cor8:8 "8 It is not in the way of commanding you, but in view of the earnestness of others and to make a test of the genuineness of your love, that I am speaking."
2 Thess.3:6-9 The FDS was given just such authority. You still follow the early Catholic church.
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH So you put them and their writings and decrees on the same level as Paul and Moses? Interesting admission Robin. """"""You still follow the early Catholic church."""""" And you base that claim on??????
I cite Heb.3 for how we view the religious writings of the faithful and discreet. Like Paul and Moses who exhorted Christians and Israelite's to listen to God and eventually by extension, their own inspired words. The FDS utter words and concepts clearly found in the Bible. None have nor ever/will claim to be inspired. Only the Bible is inspired. I don't think my citing Scripture matters to you. If you had read what I cited in my last comment you wouldn't have had to ask your question.
You believe that "grace" alone gains you life, when James clearly says otherwise.
Most all of your doctrines were cooked in the pagan pot of Catholicism.
You may deny the "pagan" part but historically cannot deny the rest. You both are tied at the ankle by your inaccurate understanding of the Bible. Though there may have been a "Reformation", they just didn't take it far enough. That began in the 19th century.
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH Robin while I appreciate the attempt to defend your faith using a logical fallacy we both believe the Catholic dogma that Jesus was the Messiah do we not?
I would argue jws are more Catholic in their doctrine then I am as you are bound by the teachings of a Governing body (ie the Catholic magesteriam) You have a set apart priestly class (the 144,00) Special men (and woman) become mediators as the priest do between you and God. I could go on and on if you like :')
My language allowed for the "truth" amid the false.
I was speaking directly to doctrines you have in common with the Catholics as I listed.
I would admit you could loosely draw a comparison to the "magesteriam" because that is what God did establish in the 1st century church with the apostles & other qualified men.
Denying the establishment of the Kingly priest hood is simply ludicrous. It is too well established in the OT & NT. With every word you deny what the Bible clearly teaches.
As to the question, "Do JW's worship the legal corporation known as the Watchtower?" That is "The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?" The answer is clearly no. Nobody worships a corporation? That is idiocy. I hope that's not what you are teaching from your pulpit. You begin to sound like the Armenian Orthodox church with such accusations. And we know where they are led. If you think we worship men of the FDS, that also is clearly lunacy since we disfellowshipped a quite famous one, Ray Franz..
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH "f you think we worship men of the FDS, that also is clearly lunacy."
(WT Aug 1, 2001 p.14) Have complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by JEHOVAH GOD" through his Son, Jesus Christ, and the "faithful and discreet slave."
(Feb 15 2009 WT p.27 Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ "Completely trust" the faithful and discreet slave should we not do the same?
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH - but do you know WHY they disfellowshipped him? HE found out the TRUTH about "the Truth". LOL.... He ate a meal with someone who was disfellowshipped (for nothing "immoral" mind you) which was not a "disfellowshipping offense" at the time. They later made it so, so that those still "IN" could not have any contact with the now called "apostate". The GB was scared for everyone to find out that they do NOT have Gods backing...
@pretoshohmoofc I like how Robin said that JW's don't worship the FDS. FUNNY! They just disfellowship anyone who publicly disagrees with the FDS...(aka) Jehovah. Robin has previously said that he will not speak with an apostate here on YouTube. It sure hasn't stopped him from debating with apostates on other websites. I've found him debating with Danny Haszard and propagandatechniques (Craig) a few times. If I know what Robin is doing, so does the Watchtower watchdogs.
As regards your friends accusations of my "debating" with apostates, that is a bold face lie, which cannot be supported. In news reports comment sections, I refer to apostate comments, but never address the person directly, much as I am doing now. Especially when they splash their hateful rhetoric even on obituaries of JW's. Next time I read one I'll post it here for you. I don't receive most of the comments toward me on your vids because they are all blocked. Idiots.
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH """" Nobody worships a corporation? That is idiocy."" I agree it's idiocy but the JWs do worship the Watchtower. They give it and what it teaches 1st place in their lives. And it is more then a legal arm.... it's a publishing company that the fds uses to feed foo from God. Your not even called a Christian... you're called a publisher!! Is that not a red flag to you?
Get on board the reality train Brian. You have a cd-rom where we call ourselves Christians thousands of times, and "publishers", that is what we do; publish the Gospel. Some of your denomination might call themselves "preachers" or whatever is in vogue, but as far as the Gospel is concerned, you are warming your feet next to the fire, while we do the the real work of "publishing" (Got Dictionary?) or preaching of the Good News.
I've said enough on this subject to get the truth across. Thanks.
It's interesting that the WTBS would print an example of elective elders, ones THEY approved, of being critical of the FDS.
As a point of clarification and pointing out your loaded language, the "elderly couple" knelt to pray for clarity on the information presented in the Watchtower mag., not before it as an idol.
Your video is a veiled attack at the FDS (Matt..24:45-46) that is clear. If you accept them as such, then their praying for guidance to understand Biblical points in the w is correct.
JWs objection to USA Pledge is term "allegiance": give loyalty to a sovereign; obligations to a lord.
JWs are commanded in WT 4/1/2007p24, to >"LOYALLY SUBMIT" to religious human rulers directions; "VIEW IT AS THEIR SACRED DUTY to follow and uphold directions"
JWs "LOYALLY SUBMIT" in allegiance to their human religious rulers as a "SACRED DUTY" to them
Christians "obey God rather than men" Ac5:29, in "whole duty" Ecc12:13, to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ Jude4.
JWs "loyally submit" in obeisance to human religious rulers rather than God; JWs consider their loyal submission "their sacred duty" to their owners and lords, the faithful and discreet slave and its governing body. WT 4/1/2007p24
But true Christians "obey God rather than men" Ac5:29, in "whole duty" Ecc12:13, to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ Jude4
Robin, if you can't see a problem, you should stay where you are.
As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD Jesus.
Robin, in your heart do you truly honestly want help?
Do you see problems with >WT 4/1/2007p24 "Loyally Submit" as "Sacred Duty" to F&DS and GB.
JWs are to give more obeisance to their religious rulers, then to Holy Father and Jesus Christ!
Read Heb3:1-11 = all believers are multitude in Son's house parallel Moses and Exodus =1Pe2:1-10 all believers get 1st resurrection as holy kings and priests = Jn11:25-26; Rev20:5-6.
You do realize that in an Australian court, where the Prosecutor was attempting to get the FDS jailed for refusing to cooperate with Australian laws concerning ordained ministers who work with children getting a criminal background check, the Watchtower Lawyer denied that the FDS was a group of people at all...saying it was just a "Theological Concept?"
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH: Do any of you think this same elderly couple knelt before opening the bible for the same "clarity"? I doubt it otherwise they would not be JW's in the first place. Kneeling before a mans interpretation of the scriptures rather that the scriptures themselves shows just where these loyalties are, and I dare say that most JW's are in the same sinking boat.
Seems the loyalties are all mixed up, but that is what happens when man follows man, not God.
This is a great example of the sly, devious way the WT is written: "We kneel down before we take the wrapper off"
It makes you imagine he's saying "kneel down before" instead of what it reads which is to kneel and pray "prior to" opening the wrapper. It's like subliminal images except with words..
I went to a high school basketball game here in my town. And a friend of mine who totally agrees with the WT concerning saluting the flag as worship also went. When the time came to salute the flag everyone stood up except him, he stayed sitting. Afterward, I asked him why he was worshipping the flag. I explained to him that he was closer to the ground than everyone else who were on their feet, and that to worship something/one you have to bow down not stand up. He didnt know what to say.
LOL! Can you say hypocrisy? I don't see how elders can look at themselves in the mirror with a straight face. And this wasn't even the most extreme example. They will sit there and shun birthdays, Christmas, etc, because of "Pagan origins." Well, I did my research. Wedding rings also had pagan origins, but they wear those. They will be wearing a wedding rings while telling you to avoid everything Pagan.
@earnestlyseeking They also say they "don't ask for donations." But they do "compel" donations, just in an indirect sort of way. I remember them telling us to stand up and make some kind of commitment -- it was an oath; they just didn't explicitly call it that. The exact words they said eludes me now, but it was definitely about committing ourselves to donate money/real-estate. In other words, the Watchtower doesn't just tell you what to do. They prefer psychological manipulation
The article your read mentioned "elected elders" which was how elders use to be selected. The one that's quoted there sounds like someone who would be viewed as an apostate today. Who elected him and why? Was the majority that voted for him "Apostate" also?
@anissueofursincerity >"JW objection to the Pledge is the term "allegiance" (highest loyalty)"
Interesting. Then the JWs religion, is FAR WORSE then worldly governments. For JWs are to give MORE allegiance, an higher loyalty to their human rulers in obedience, its JWs "SACRED DUTY" to them:
JWs are commanded in WT 4/1/2007p24, >"LOYALLY SUBMIT" to religious human rulers directions; "VIEW IT AS THEIR SACRED DUTY to follow and uphold directions"
JWs religious rulers are identical to Catholic Popes claim to be vicar of Christ and Holy Father. There is no difference, they are all gone out of the way, they are one together unprofitable none of them do good, no not one. Their throats are an open grave; with their tongues they use deceit; poison of asps is under their lips: their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways.
“Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require My flock at their hand; I will cause them to cease feeding the sheep, and the shepherds shall feed themselves no more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouths, that they may no longer be food for them.”
11 I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places...Eze 34
"I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places" Eze34:11-12
And today our LORD stands at all kingdom hall doors knocking, seeking His sheep, calling to deliver them from these places:
"Behold I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with me" Rv3:20
Rev 1:1 "to show His servants—things which must shortly take place."
He tells us the "End from the beginning" Isa 46:10
" 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near". Rev 1:3
@barbsinclair I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is destined to judge the living and the dead 2 Tim 4:1. What bible translation do I have to use to see YOUR name there as a judge? For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son Jn 5:22 oops looks like your name was left out again. Your blind as a bat if you can’t distinguish the so called "rulers" of JWs and Catholics. Do an actual compare and contrast and you'll see the difference.
Hi DY, its been so long since I've heard from you. I've been praying for your soul, that you become a disciple of YHWH of hosts, Jesus Christ Mt28:19, as He said
Isa 8:16-17 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait upon YHWH, that hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him."
Are you waiting, looking for YHWH?
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
@barbsinclair "For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge" Romans 10:2
Are you one of these that claim they have a zeal for God because when we spoke you couldn't distinguish a person from a being when we spoke about the Trinity. You claim you have this zeal but not according to accurate knowledge. hmmm
I have the zeal of my Lord and my God in me, its not of myself.
Your the one who brings up trinity. I have no problem talking about it ~shrug. You bring it up, and ask questions on it, expect an answer, then slap me down for giving. I don't even treat my dog that way.
DY, when shall you become as a little child?
"Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." Mt18:3
@barbsinclair When did you become so barbaric and judgmental by saying
"Their throats are an open grave; with their tongues they use deceit; poison of asps is? under their lips: their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways."
"Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone…" John 8:7
@DefendingYHWH>"Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone…"John 8:7"
Typical JW, throw the Word of God as symbolic stoning those who expose's the perverse words of the worldly corporation Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
The Word of God Jesus Christ demands His disciple's KEEP His Word, not throw it around out of context at His body, His bride.
And by your own admittance, your neither a disciple witness of Christ Jesus, nor a member of His bride.
@barbsinclair Typical Anti JW response instead of sticking with the bible and the bible only they bring up Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
You believing in a Trinity is "own admittance, your neither a disciple witness of Christ Jesus, nor a member of His bride."
Has there been a day you didn’t criticized JW’s and go out and preach the gospel?
@DefendingYHWH >"When did you become so barbaric and judgmental by saying "Their throats are an open grave; with their tongues they use deceit; poison of asps is? under their lips: their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways."
There were other unbelievers who were defending YHWH like yourself, whom called Apostle Paul barbaric and judgmental. I'm very happy to be in Paul's company.
@barbsinclair you and Paul have 2 different Jesus' Paul said "the Head of Christ is God 1 Corth.. Barb with her man made ideas says God and Christ are equal. He would not have you in his company sorry.
10"adorn the teaching of our Savior, God, in all things...
11-12 God...has been manifested, instructing us...
13-14 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus, who gave himself for us that he...cleanse for himself a people peculiarly his own, zealous for fine works"
Amen Paul, TRUE Christians await the glorious 2nd coming of the Teacher, our great God and Savior Christ Jesus our Lord! Amen
@barbsinclair I agree with everything you just quoted but too bad you don't agree with Paul or me. Then again you don't understand his writings YOUR mind is too Saturated with man made philosophy. Put the apostate material away with those twisted words.
Then again, "..you like they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have [Barbsinclair] ears tickled" 2 Tim 4:3
@DefendingYHWH Didn't your org tell just tell you that apostates are all mentally diseased and you shouldn't be commenting on apostate blogs and by extension vlogs? Have you now gone apostate by disobeying them?
@barbsinclair Your works and zeal shows you spend more time condemning others rather then teaching, pointing fingers, pointing fingers, your comments are self-evident. "hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness" Matt 23:27
@DefendingYHWH "" "hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness" Matt 23:27"" You see the verse and yet with all the obsessive dress codes and grooming codes of the WT along with their lies and hypocrisy you still defend them. So very sad.
@21crosscheck21 What dress & grooming codes do you mean? Do you mean clean shaving, suit and tie or overcoat, proper speech? How about respect for God's word and the ministry. To meet together with respect and proper dress etiquette, is that what you mean? What lies?
@DefendingYHWH>"you spend more time condemning others rather then teaching"
I rightly condemn JW "religious leaders and teachers"
watchtower . org/e/bh/article_01 . htm
"WHAT DOES THE BIBLE Really TEACH?" p9,pr3 "Does the Bible have the answers? Some feel that its answers are too hard to understand. Others worry that asking questions could lead to shame or embarrassment. And some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers. What about you?"
I rightly condemn JW "religious leaders and teachers" So your ministry is strictly condemning a religious org. Jesus didn’t command to do that he said "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations" Matt 28:19
So you "own admittance, your neither a disciple witness of Christ Jesus, nor a member of His bride." But a person criticizes a religion, nice ministry.
@barbsinclair Christians didn’t focus on critiquing a religious org but spent time preaching the kingdom of God. You should have a bible study with JWs to learn about that Kingdom.
Question: how might Satan use "religious leaders and teachers" to deceive us?
What does THE BIBLE REALLY Teach?
The Word of God Jesus Christ warned: "false prophets", "false teachers" and "false christs" would come.
"Take heed that no man deceive you. FOR MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, I AM CHRIST; and shall deceive many...Behold, I have told you before." Mt 24:4-5,11,24-25
JW religious leaders and teachers claim to be "The Christ" composite seed of 144,001 MANY CHRISTS
@barbsinclair This is a perfect example of lying and twisting words. Not one publication do they claim to be the "Christ" in the sense of Jesus. They claim to be anointed in the sense of 2 Cor 1:21. Your not to judge who is anointed to go to heaven or not ""Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ that is, TO BRING CHRIST DOWN" Romans 10:6
But this is a typical a non Christian anti JW like YOU always trying to bring Christ down.
NWT Ac17:29 "Seeing therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagin that THE DIVINE BEING is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man."
The Divine Being is "the LIFE" "Eternal life" "the living God" "IS" BEing. The Divine Being has testified to us, and manifested to us: three self-existent Divine person's of BEing.
@barbsinclair Your comment is prove that YOU "..go beyond the things that are written" 1Corth 4:6. The sentence "three self-existent Divine person's of Being" is never articulated in the bible. True biblical teaching 1 God The Father 1 Corith 8:6 and the head of Christ is God 1 Corith 11:3. If you just read the bible and take your preconceive trinity belief a side you’ll see 1 God Jehovah, there is no 3 persons in a Godhead.
Its you (not me) who doesn't understand "person" and "being", NWT Ac17:29 "The Divine Being"
"Being" = existence
"Person" = individual
"The Divine Being" has three testifiers to mankind, and the three have One Name, NWT "Jehovah": "in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" Mt 28:19
I don't dispute The Law and The Testimony (Isa 8:20) of the Divine Being the NWT calls "Jehovah! I believe in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
@barbsinclair You trying to define “being” in Acts alone shows you are very much confused because the Greek term θεῖον-theion gives no such word as "being" but a DIVINE being, and it's NEVER identified as exisitence you like try to equate. If the Greek had ὁ ὤν- ho hon in that text then you might have a point, but like always your point fails.
YOU read more into the text then what is written everyone can see that clearly.
The Word Of God Himself testifies "the Divine Being" (nwt Ac17:29) is true God and Lord, the creator and maker of the heavens and earth, the sea and all that in them be Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-4; Ex20:8-11; Heb1:8-12,
"You at [the] beginning, O Lord JEHOVAH laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands"
All other gods and lords are false = Jer 10:10-11; Ex20:1-17!
DY, go ahead and stomp your feet and have your temper tantrum, it matter not,
For the TRUTH remains the same: the Divine Being is God Sovereign Lord who at the beginning laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens and the sea and all things things in them. The Divine Being is Most High on the heavenly throne: far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name named, not only in this system of things, but also in that to come.
You at the beginning, Jesus Christ YHWH God [Jehovah], laid the foundations of the earth itself and the heavens are the works of your hands. They will perish, but you yourself are to remain continually; you are the same, and your years will never run out. Heb1:10-12
People SHALL KNOW that you Christ the Lord, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone [ are the Most High over all the earth. Ps83:18
Jesus Christ is Jehovah God Himself on His Throne Most High over all the earth. Eph1:21-23
@barbsinclair "For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; " 2 Tim 4:3
It is your desire that to equate Jehovah and Jesus as one being it tickles Your ears. It's obvious YOU add more then what is written "Do not go beyond the things that are written" 1 Corth 4:6
You and JW religious leaders, take away from the Word of God whom testifies "the Divine Being" (nwt Ac17:29) is true God and Lord, the creator and maker of the heavens and earth, the sea and all that in them be Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-4; Ex20:8-11; Heb1:8-12,
"You at [the] beginning, O Lord JEHOVAH laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands"
All other gods and lords are false set for destruction = Jer 10:10-11 (Ex20:1-17).
@barbsinclair "You and JW religious leaders, take away from the Word of God whom testifies "the Divine Being"
This coming from the person who tried to define BEING by their own man made philosophy idea with no basis? Again, "Do not go beyond the things that are written" 1 Corth 4:6, how many times does this need to be quoted to you before you apply it?
@DefendingYHWH >"tried to define BEING by their own man made philosophy idea with no basis?"
My basis is The Word Of God testimony "the Divine Being" (nwt Ac17:29) is true God and Lord, the creator and maker of the heavens and earth, the sea and all that in them be Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-4; Ex20:8-11; Heb1:8-12,
"You at [the] beginning, O Lord JEHOVAH laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands"
All other gods and lords are false = Jer 10:10-11; Ex20:1-17!
@barbsinclair So what happened to "Being" = existence…then you start quoting scriptures all over the place??? What are you even talking about? Be honest you don’t know what your talking about.
"So, if any one of YOU is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him" James 1:5
@DefendingYHWH@barbsinclair8τη γαρ χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι δια της πιστεως και τουτο ουκ εξ υμων θεου το δωρον 9ουκ εξ εργων ινα μη τις καυχησηται 10αυτου γαρ εσμεν ποιημα κτισθεντες εν χριστω ιησου επι εργοις αγαθοις οις προητοιμασεν ο θεος ινα εν αυτοις περιπατησωμεν
@muzzledchristians1 explain this to me my first L IS GREEK@barbsinclair8τη γαρ χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι δια της πιστεως και τουτο ουκ εξ υμων θεου το δωρον 9ουκ εξ εργων ινα μη τις καυχησηται 10αυτου γαρ εσμεν ποιημα κτισθεντες εν χριστω ιησου επι εργοις αγαθοις οις προητοιμασεν ο θεος ινα εν αυτοις περιπατησωμεν
@muzzledchristians1 Ephesians 2:8-10 "By this undeserved kindness, indeed, YOU have been saved through faith; and this not owing to YOU, it is God’s gift. 9 No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting. 10 For we are a product of his work and were created in union with Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared in advance for us to walk in them" I agree this Barb person BOAST too much and points fingers.
If I boast, I boast in this: that the truth of Christ is IN me, no man shall stop me of this boasting! For I'm crucified with Christ:nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives IN me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me. AMEN
Test yourself DY whether your in the faith; prove your own self. Do you not know that Jesus Christ is IN you? Unless your disapproved = 2Co13:5
@barbsinclair YOUR too busy criticizing other religions to boast for Christ you boast how you THINK your right. "“God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones.” James 4:6
@DefendingYHWH >"barbsinclair I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus"
You who denies the Lord whom bought you (2Pe2:1-4); you who denies the bodily resurrection of my Saviour Christ the Lord Jesus, my Lord and my God; you who preaches the Son of God Christ the Lord is an angel of light which was enthroned in 1914 and king of the pit of abyss...
You charge me before my Holy Lord and God... you fail at all charges, you and your gods have no power or authority over me in Christ Jesus.
@barbsinclair I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus
You who deny Jehovah God is one Deut 6:4;You who deny The Father greater then Jesus-John5:20;You who claim the soul survives after death The soul that is sinning it itself will die Ezekiel 18:4you who preach that the Lord Jesus is God when Jesus denies it"I live because of the Father"Jn6:57
The bible alone charges you with your false doctrines because your teachings go far and "beyond beyond the things that are written"1 Corth 4:6
@barbsinclair Paul warned us about YOU "after my going away oppressive wolves(Barb) will enter in among YOU ...and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Acts 20:29-30.
Your teachings are not from God but of the Devil 1Tim 4:1
@DefendingYHWH >"speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Acts 20:29-30"
Twisted things to draw away disciples of Christ after themselves:
Watchtower Society condemned Russell's appointment as the Mt24:44-45 slave, as being "Creature Worship" = Proclaimers bk p625,707. 1975 JWs Year Bk p88,98,155. WT 8/15/1966 p508
So why did they condemn Russell's Mt24:44-45 appointment as "Creature Worship", but shortly thereafter appointed 143,999 More Creatures for JWs worship?
@barbsinclair [Barbsinclair]speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Acts 20:29-30
You take all those WT publications and twist them, you should be a shame of yourself. But that’s expected for someone like YOU who twist the bible. How far are you willing to go to twist peoples words? WOW!!!!
You do a gr8 Job Brian keep it up. Many will be saved by your video's and understand that its all about Jesus. Our Great awesome God and saviour. :-) Praise and Glory be to Him. X
cedella212 1 month ago
I have been given a tour of the facilities in Brooklyn, NY. And as I was observing the Jw;s in my group, it was like they were in heaven. Great Job brother.
October31st1517 2 months ago
LOOK:
"THE LURE OF Santeria"
watchtower . org/e/20000708a/article_01 . htm
>"Africans in bondage were forced to accept Catholicism, but they refused to give up their traditions completely. So they created a new form of worship with elements taken from both religions. Such a merging of religious practices is called syncretism. ..."Syncretism allows us to worship the Catholic god on the altar, but what we see is the African god behind it." "<
No difference between JWs and these Africans.
con't...
barbsinclair 2 months ago
...con't
"THE LURE OF Santeria"
watchtower . org/e/20000708a/article_01 . htm
>"Syncretism allows us to worship the Catholic god on the altar, but what we see is the African god behind it." "<
= Syncretism allows JWs to worship the Watchtower Society God, but what JWs REALLY SEE, is the 144,001 anointed god's behind it!
JWs glory in men, they are the gods behind the Watchtower Society! THAT is the entire set up of the JWs religion! They have put men in the office of Christ the Lord Jesus!
barbsinclair 2 months ago
I would LOVE to have a bound version of 21's church documents from 1964...Wonder how many things I could pick out and chew up?
JAKEV25 3 months ago
@JAKEV25 So is your final authority the scriptures or the organization?
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517 Mark...We have been thru this silly topic before......I am NOT the one that believes EVERYTHING his Pastor tells him. The TRINITY is taught NO WHERE in the bible but that is the central theme of your religion....Talk about final authority.......
JAKEV25 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 Yeah, and you keep running away from the question. What is your final authority?
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517 It's either the Watchtower or he is no longer a jw.... There is no other option.
21crosscheck21 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 We don't have bound volumes Jake.... But if you have a bible that's all ya need :')
21crosscheck21 2 months ago
@21crosscheck21 Which bible are you talking about? Which one do I need?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@Justice4vr You'll have to be more specific in your question. I'm not sure what comment you're replying too.
21crosscheck21 2 months ago
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@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@21crosscheck21 are you there?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@Justice4vr I responded to you earlier... is there a post or something I missed?
21crosscheck21 2 months ago
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@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@21crosscheck21 Have you still not gotten my message?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@Justice4vr What message?
21crosscheck21 2 months ago
@21crosscheck21 If you just read the comments section youll see my message. If you cant answer it, just let me know.
Justice4vr 2 months ago
@Justice4vr Dude I have no idea what you're talking about. If you have a question go ahead and ask it..... clearly I can't see the message for whatever reason. If you don't want to ask again cool but in that case please stop asking for an answer or if I saw it over and aver.
21crosscheck21 2 months ago
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@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
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@21crosscheck21 you said that the bible is all you need, not the Watchtower, so my question is which bible are you talking about? Which of all the translations IS the true word of God?
Justice4vr 2 months ago
The book is an old edition & outdated. No point to have it crosscheck. Although its 1960's book, some items might not be applicable anymore. It might be corrected, revised or discarded for 2011. You know that even in science & physics book, right?
jandysanchez 3 months ago
@jandysanchez The book is an old edition & outdated.
Jude 3
"...Contend for the faith that was given ONCE and for ALL TIME...."
Your statement itself just proved your org to be a false teacher.
pretoshohmoofc 3 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc . I think your religious.... I'm not. I dont care anyway.Thanks
jandysanchez 3 months ago
@jandysanchez Your comment had nothing to do with what I said. Jude 3 tells us that the faith that we have was taught ONCE and for ALL TIME. There is no such thing as progressive Faith. This is something the WT teaches. not the Bible.
pretoshohmoofc 3 months ago
@jandysanchez Also, The WT has had so many false prophecies that it is forced to use the "new light" excuse to hide from being exposed as a false prophet. Proverbs 4:18 isn't even about false prophecy, It's about the life of a righteous man. The WT had to take it out of context in order to hid behind it. :-)
pretoshohmoofc 3 months ago
How might Satan use religious leaders and teachers to deceive us; what does THE BIBLE REALLY Teach?
The Word of God Jesus Christ warned us: "false prophets", "false teachers" and "false christs" would come:
"Take heed that no man deceive you. FOR MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, I AM CHRIST; and shall deceive many...Behold, I have told you before." Mat24
JW religious leaders and teachers claim to be "The Christ" composite seed of 144,001 MANY CHRISTS
JWs are many, deceived by false christs
barbsinclair 3 months ago
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@barbsinclair Again, ""Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ that is, TO BRING CHRIST DOWN" Romans 10:6
Stop bringing Christ down you don't know who is anointed or not. "YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father…. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie] John 8:44. YOU know well they don't claim the title Christ
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@barbsinclair I know Christ means anointed but that is not thier language that they use and YOU know that, or did you rely on 2nd hand info on that one?? Hmmmm
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
I guess in the 1920's they had more respect for God's word kneeling to God. By the way that article also mentioned "they kneel to pray" I guess that was respect that doesn't exist today.
inscentof 3 months ago
well said
truthwarrior1000 3 months ago
Sorry to chime in late. This is just another example of the WTBTS repudiating Sola Scriptura and embracing it's own idolatrous autonomous autocratic authority with sticks its middle finger at the sole and ultimate authority of God's infallible, inerrant, inspired word the bible alone!
QuakeCityRockers 3 months ago
John 8:32 says the real truth sets people free, and with Christian freedom people are of course much happier.
The Bible says you need Christ to have a happy life as a Christian.
It doesn’t say the Wachtower Society.
2 Timothy 3:16,17 says the scriptures themselves can teach and guide us.
It doesn’t say the Watchtower magazines will do this.
Christ "teaches you about all things", 1 John 2:27.
The WTS does not.
Christ says he’s IS the life, John 14:6.
So the WTS can’t give us life
tommotian 3 months ago
I love your face when you say, "simple flag salute" ... like it's no big thing! Get a clue Brian.. Do some research Brian, you will find from many sources that the flag salute is absolutely tantamout to worship!
Most so called "christians" will at least "claim" readiness to give their lives for country... What is that, if not worship? As for the rest of the nonsense in this video... If you could possibly humble yourself enough to read the magazines with an open mind... Who knows?
RussianRevolutionary 3 months ago
@RussianRevolutionary """Most so called "christians" will at least "claim" readiness to give their lives for country... What is that, if not worship?"""" So a fireman running into a burning building is what? Worshiping fire? Worshiping the city he works for? That silly.
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
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@RussianRevolutionary"If you could possibly humble yourself enough to read the magazines with an open mind... Who knows?" Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black? Why don't you humble yourself with a open mind and head over to Cultwatch(dot) com and realize that Brian actually cares about you and your salvation?
1914watcher 3 months ago
gay
USAFirstGamer 3 months ago
Also, the reason there is said to be a message from Jehovah in the WT is because anything said in it is backed by scripture. The bible is quoted all through any WT so unless you believe that the bible is not Gods word you must agree.
Josiahvidz 3 months ago
We pray before eating also. I imagine you do too. Does this mean your worship food?
Josiahvidz 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz I do pray before I eat..... but I do not believe that Jehovah is sending me messages and and controlling my doctrine and behavior through my hamburger. Nice try but apples and oranges my friend.
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@21crosscheck21 That was a good attempt to try to get yourself off the hook, but in this video you claimed that this article proved we worship the WT because they kneeled and prayed before reading it, but if that is the case then you worship the food you eat.
Josiahvidz 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz I'm not on "the hook" my friend.... you are :') I was merely pointing out that your analogy was very flawed. Let me ask you.... Do you do what the Watchtower commends in this article?
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@21crosscheck21 Yes, as i said the WT is a bible based pulblication, and we pray for Gods Holy Spirit whenver considering spiritual material. We pray to help us make decisions, going to bed, ect. You are just using your usual deceptive techniches to try to inflate something that most people do. Just like the pharisies were always trying to make things Jesus did seem wrong, but Jesus knew better. Sorry dude try again.
Josiahvidz 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz 1
I'll try!
"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957, June 15, p 370.
And just where are these directions for the most part found?
In the Watchtower magazine!
And here your Organization is saying it is like God's voice.
You are a like pharisee for you worship an Organization.
The Organization is not Co- savior with Jesus Christ, only he is.
tommotian 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz 2
"Salvation is found in no one else", Acts 4:12.
Your Organization cannot give you eternal life. "no one else" but Jesus can.
"let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith" Heb 12:1,2 NASB.
Jesus makes our faith perfect. Not your Organization!
"Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." Rev 7:10.
We do not depend on being members of your Organization to gain eternal life!
tommotian 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz "Yes, as i said the WT is a bible based pulblication, and we pray for Gods Holy Spirit whenver considering spiritual material."
Josiah, maybe you should pray for clearer understanding? The publications are "New World Translation" based and not Bible based. Let me ask you this, Why is the (most accurate) translation not found on websites such as biblegateway and biblos (dot) com? There is a reason for this Josiah, I hope you wake up and realize that something is wrong with the WTBTS
1914watcher 3 months ago
@1914watcher People are free to use whatever translation they so choose to look up the scriptual references. Just like you are free to make stupid comments like this one. Everyone knows those sites are biased towards main stream christianity. Duh!!
Josiahvidz 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz "Just like you are free to make stupid comments like this one." Josiah, you try and prove 1914 to me? You can't, it's a lie and it's not a biblical teaching by no means at all. The only stupid comments here is the Watchtower doctrine that you boast as the truth.
2) Everyone knows those sites are biased towards main stream Christianity. Josiah, JW's are a cult and it is well documented by groups that identify cults. Look up Steve Hassan sometime, let me guess, he is biased too?
1914watcher 3 months ago
@1914watcher "you try and prove 1914 to me? You can't"
Now why would I do that? You are already admitting here to be a goat. Can't teach a rock to rollover, he only knows the command to stay.
"JW's are a cult"
Followers of Jesus were also considered the be a sect called "the way" (Acts 9:1, 2)
Of course there biased. You sought them out because of there opinion. There are many who don't include them and don't see you braging on them. You are biased urself.
Josiahvidz 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz "You are already admitting here to be a goat." No Josiah, your calling me a goat because I disagree with you and so does the scriptures. I was taught the same things as you. JW's hold to 607 and say the BIBLE proves it as a FACT. Jeremiah 25:12 clearly proves to be a serious scriptural problem for Jw's.vs 12) "70 yrs have been fulfilled" Jehovah will call to account. When did Jehovah call account? This would have been 539 now count back 70 and you have 609? Bye,bye 607 and 1914.
1914watcher 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz Josiah you can't prove 1914 and all that date implies. That's why you won't try. Why not do it for all those who watch and never comment? Or are they all bias as well?
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz Those article went far beyond calling it "bible based material" my friend. They believed Jehovah God was speaking to then through it. That makes it prophetic my friend
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@Josiahvidz You don't see the idolatry in the illustration? The pagans would bow and pray before their idols, waiting for their god to speak through the idol. WatchTower is paganism my friend!
TheEuropeanWarrior 3 months ago
@TheEuropeanWarrior Great comment
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
Very interesting find Brian! This is one of those bait and switch tactics that ones studying with JW's might find. As they are studying, the Watchtower literature is simply "bible study aids." But once you're baptized and "in," then it becomes what this article describes. Imagine what would happen if all who are studying to become a JW were told these things up front?
theapologeticfront 3 months ago
YIKERS!!! Kneal down and PRAY before reading the Watchtower!!??
What verse is THAT?
TheSnarkyApologist 3 months ago
Do Protestants and Catholics worship the cross?
The Cross of Christendom has become a symbol of faith. Get that, a "symbol" of their faith, without which you cannot be a Christian. The Trinity has become a "symbol" of faith, without which you cannot be a Christian.
These acts are idolatry according to Exodus 20.
So you can worship a "tree" KJV, or the true Lord, Jesus Christ, of which there is no representation other than that which the Bible gives us; his Kingship.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
So the real question becomes, "Do Jw's Worship the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
DO JW'S WORSHIP THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH " "Do Jw's Worship the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
DO JW'S WORSHIP THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?" Yes they do. They give them a place in their lives that belong to God. As far as this video being a "veiled attack" on the FDS.... I am sorry I wasn't more clear. The FDS demands this place in your life my friend. Let me say I find that to be an abomination.
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@21cc21
God gave them authority which we respect. You don't believe it doesn't but it isso.
Was Moses worshiped? Was Paul worshiped? No. Yet these things Paul wrote of himself. 1Cor14:37; 1Cor16:1; 1Thess4:2.
And his purposer? 2Cor8:8 "8 It is not in the way of commanding you, but in view of the earnestness of others and to make a test of the genuineness of your love, that I am speaking."
2 Thess.3:6-9 The FDS was given just such authority. You still follow the early Catholic church.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH So you put them and their writings and decrees on the same level as Paul and Moses? Interesting admission Robin. """"""You still follow the early Catholic church."""""" And you base that claim on??????
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@2121
I cite Heb.3 for how we view the religious writings of the faithful and discreet. Like Paul and Moses who exhorted Christians and Israelite's to listen to God and eventually by extension, their own inspired words. The FDS utter words and concepts clearly found in the Bible. None have nor ever/will claim to be inspired. Only the Bible is inspired. I don't think my citing Scripture matters to you. If you had read what I cited in my last comment you wouldn't have had to ask your question.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH Robin you compared the FDS to inspired prophets... did you not?
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@2121
You believe in the Trinity do you not?
You believe in hell correct?
You believe that "grace" alone gains you life, when James clearly says otherwise.
Most all of your doctrines were cooked in the pagan pot of Catholicism.
You may deny the "pagan" part but historically cannot deny the rest. You both are tied at the ankle by your inaccurate understanding of the Bible. Though there may have been a "Reformation", they just didn't take it far enough. That began in the 19th century.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH Robin while I appreciate the attempt to defend your faith using a logical fallacy we both believe the Catholic dogma that Jesus was the Messiah do we not?
I would argue jws are more Catholic in their doctrine then I am as you are bound by the teachings of a Governing body (ie the Catholic magesteriam) You have a set apart priestly class (the 144,00) Special men (and woman) become mediators as the priest do between you and God. I could go on and on if you like :')
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@2121
My language allowed for the "truth" amid the false.
I was speaking directly to doctrines you have in common with the Catholics as I listed.
I would admit you could loosely draw a comparison to the "magesteriam" because that is what God did establish in the 1st century church with the apostles & other qualified men.
Denying the establishment of the Kingly priest hood is simply ludicrous. It is too well established in the OT & NT. With every word you deny what the Bible clearly teaches.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
As to the question, "Do JW's worship the legal corporation known as the Watchtower?" That is "The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?" The answer is clearly no. Nobody worships a corporation? That is idiocy. I hope that's not what you are teaching from your pulpit. You begin to sound like the Armenian Orthodox church with such accusations. And we know where they are led. If you think we worship men of the FDS, that also is clearly lunacy since we disfellowshipped a quite famous one, Ray Franz..
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH "f you think we worship men of the FDS, that also is clearly lunacy."
(WT Aug 1, 2001 p.14) Have complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by JEHOVAH GOD" through his Son, Jesus Christ, and the "faithful and discreet slave."
(Feb 15 2009 WT p.27 Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ "Completely trust" the faithful and discreet slave should we not do the same?
1914watcher 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH Btw, I have a new YT channel suggestion for ya.
IN QUEST OF A NEW YOU TUBE CHANNEL ;)
1914watcher 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH - but do you know WHY they disfellowshipped him? HE found out the TRUTH about "the Truth". LOL.... He ate a meal with someone who was disfellowshipped (for nothing "immoral" mind you) which was not a "disfellowshipping offense" at the time. They later made it so, so that those still "IN" could not have any contact with the now called "apostate". The GB was scared for everyone to find out that they do NOT have Gods backing...
donstat11 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH I love when you guys ignore physical evidence presented to you.
pretoshohmoofc 3 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc I like how Robin said that JW's don't worship the FDS. FUNNY! They just disfellowship anyone who publicly disagrees with the FDS...(aka) Jehovah. Robin has previously said that he will not speak with an apostate here on YouTube. It sure hasn't stopped him from debating with apostates on other websites. I've found him debating with Danny Haszard and propagandatechniques (Craig) a few times. If I know what Robin is doing, so does the Watchtower watchdogs.
1914watcher 3 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc They do it all the time...... It's the 607 syndrome.
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@21crosscheck21
As regards your friends accusations of my "debating" with apostates, that is a bold face lie, which cannot be supported. In news reports comment sections, I refer to apostate comments, but never address the person directly, much as I am doing now. Especially when they splash their hateful rhetoric even on obituaries of JW's. Next time I read one I'll post it here for you. I don't receive most of the comments toward me on your vids because they are all blocked. Idiots.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH """" Nobody worships a corporation? That is idiocy."" I agree it's idiocy but the JWs do worship the Watchtower. They give it and what it teaches 1st place in their lives. And it is more then a legal arm.... it's a publishing company that the fds uses to feed foo from God. Your not even called a Christian... you're called a publisher!! Is that not a red flag to you?
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
Get on board the reality train Brian. You have a cd-rom where we call ourselves Christians thousands of times, and "publishers", that is what we do; publish the Gospel. Some of your denomination might call themselves "preachers" or whatever is in vogue, but as far as the Gospel is concerned, you are warming your feet next to the fire, while we do the the real work of "publishing" (Got Dictionary?) or preaching of the Good News.
I've said enough on this subject to get the truth across. Thanks.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
It's interesting that the WTBS would print an example of elective elders, ones THEY approved, of being critical of the FDS.
As a point of clarification and pointing out your loaded language, the "elderly couple" knelt to pray for clarity on the information presented in the Watchtower mag., not before it as an idol.
Your video is a veiled attack at the FDS (Matt..24:45-46) that is clear. If you accept them as such, then their praying for guidance to understand Biblical points in the w is correct.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH
JWs objection to USA Pledge is term "allegiance": give loyalty to a sovereign; obligations to a lord.
JWs are commanded in WT 4/1/2007p24, to >"LOYALLY SUBMIT" to religious human rulers directions; "VIEW IT AS THEIR SACRED DUTY to follow and uphold directions"
JWs "LOYALLY SUBMIT" in allegiance to their human religious rulers as a "SACRED DUTY" to them
Christians "obey God rather than men" Ac5:29, in "whole duty" Ecc12:13, to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ Jude4.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair
And where is the problem?
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH
JWs "loyally submit" in obeisance to human religious rulers rather than God; JWs consider their loyal submission "their sacred duty" to their owners and lords, the faithful and discreet slave and its governing body. WT 4/1/2007p24
But true Christians "obey God rather than men" Ac5:29, in "whole duty" Ecc12:13, to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ Jude4
Robin, if you can't see a problem, you should stay where you are.
As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD Jesus.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair
So you don't want to help me see the into the details where I am mislead? You want me to accept what you say as being the ultimate truth?
I've never read where I should do obeisance to men.
Yet the Bible clearly points to men being in charge of the Christian cong. Daniel 12.
Heb 3:6 The Christian Cong. is that house. The 144,000.
I look to that kingdom of Kings and Priests.
You do not.
You are obeying men by following their ancient and pagan teachings.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH
Robin, in your heart do you truly honestly want help?
Do you see problems with >WT 4/1/2007p24 "Loyally Submit" as "Sacred Duty" to F&DS and GB.
JWs are to give more obeisance to their religious rulers, then to Holy Father and Jesus Christ!
Read Heb3:1-11 = all believers are multitude in Son's house parallel Moses and Exodus =1Pe2:1-10 all believers get 1st resurrection as holy kings and priests = Jn11:25-26; Rev20:5-6.
JWs house is divided, built on sand Mat 7:13-27
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH >>>Your video is a veiled attack at the FDS (Matt..24:45-46)
You do realize that in an Australian court, where the Prosecutor was attempting to get the FDS jailed for refusing to cooperate with Australian laws concerning ordained ministers who work with children getting a criminal background check, the Watchtower Lawyer denied that the FDS was a group of people at all...saying it was just a "Theological Concept?"
msm1876 3 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH: Do any of you think this same elderly couple knelt before opening the bible for the same "clarity"? I doubt it otherwise they would not be JW's in the first place. Kneeling before a mans interpretation of the scriptures rather that the scriptures themselves shows just where these loyalties are, and I dare say that most JW's are in the same sinking boat.
Seems the loyalties are all mixed up, but that is what happens when man follows man, not God.
abbyguy 3 months ago
I was a jw for many years and realized that they read watchtowers more than the bible...not a good thing. Check out my jw vids for more...
plenty2say 3 months ago
I remember the brown wrapper it came in.
hilldiggity 3 months ago
This is a great example of the sly, devious way the WT is written: "We kneel down before we take the wrapper off"
It makes you imagine he's saying "kneel down before" instead of what it reads which is to kneel and pray "prior to" opening the wrapper. It's like subliminal images except with words..
4thefaithful 3 months ago
I went to a high school basketball game here in my town. And a friend of mine who totally agrees with the WT concerning saluting the flag as worship also went. When the time came to salute the flag everyone stood up except him, he stayed sitting. Afterward, I asked him why he was worshipping the flag. I explained to him that he was closer to the ground than everyone else who were on their feet, and that to worship something/one you have to bow down not stand up. He didnt know what to say.
OurGr8God 3 months ago
That WT 9/15/1994 p547, report from *H.H.RIEMER (with picture of *RIEMER p571).
I Googled *"H.H.Riemer" and WT article. LOOK what I found:
dc198 . 4shared . com/doc/6YD0MyDf/preview . html
WTS Lawyer Olin R. Moyle
V.
F.Franz, N.Knorr, G.Suiter, T.Sullivan, W.Heath Jr., *H.H.RIEMER, W.Van Amburgh, A.R.Goux, C.A.Wise, C.J.Woodworth, M.A.Howlett, and the Watch Tower Bible and
Tract Society.
= WTS Legal Counsel O.R.Moyle, drew above's attention, to problems at Bethel. And he got deleted for it.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
MY TYPO, it should read: 1964 WT
That WT 9/15/1964 p547, report from *H.H.RIEMER (with picture of *RIEMER p571).
barbsinclair 3 months ago
WOW, Google "Olin R. Moyle"
And start reading!!!! GOSH. What can't ya find on the internet eh
barbsinclair 3 months ago
jehovahs-witness . net/watchtower/scandals/179663/1/The-Curious-Case-of-Olin-R-Moyle
barbsinclair 3 months ago
OMG! That's creepy! Not worthy? Jah's Words? and I bet the Witnesses are thinking they should have a similar attitude...
Sheraseven 3 months ago
LOL! Can you say hypocrisy? I don't see how elders can look at themselves in the mirror with a straight face. And this wasn't even the most extreme example. They will sit there and shun birthdays, Christmas, etc, because of "Pagan origins." Well, I did my research. Wedding rings also had pagan origins, but they wear those. They will be wearing a wedding rings while telling you to avoid everything Pagan.
anzwertree 3 months ago
@anzwertree Sunday worship also
earnestlyseeking 3 months ago
@earnestlyseeking They also say they "don't ask for donations." But they do "compel" donations, just in an indirect sort of way. I remember them telling us to stand up and make some kind of commitment -- it was an oath; they just didn't explicitly call it that. The exact words they said eludes me now, but it was definitely about committing ourselves to donate money/real-estate. In other words, the Watchtower doesn't just tell you what to do. They prefer psychological manipulation
anzwertree 3 months ago
@anzwertree I have not been to the hall all that many times but I do remember direct pleas for money right from the platform.
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
The article your read mentioned "elected elders" which was how elders use to be selected. The one that's quoted there sounds like someone who would be viewed as an apostate today. Who elected him and why? Was the majority that voted for him "Apostate" also?
earnestlyseeking 3 months ago
What u r observing is the WT's equivalent of Catholic teaching regarding the
church magisterium. Go0d's word is the bible in conjunction of the church.
JW objection to the Pledge is the term "allegiance" (highest loyalty)
anissueofursincerity 3 months ago
@anissueofursincerity >"JW objection to the Pledge is the term "allegiance" (highest loyalty)"
Interesting. Then the JWs religion, is FAR WORSE then worldly governments. For JWs are to give MORE allegiance, an higher loyalty to their human rulers in obedience, its JWs "SACRED DUTY" to them:
JWs are commanded in WT 4/1/2007p24, >"LOYALLY SUBMIT" to religious human rulers directions; "VIEW IT AS THEIR SACRED DUTY to follow and uphold directions"
True Christians "obey God rather than men" Ac5:29
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair
I don't know what you just said.
anissueofursincerity 3 months ago
JWs religious rulers are identical to Catholic Popes claim to be vicar of Christ and Holy Father. There is no difference, they are all gone out of the way, they are one together unprofitable none of them do good, no not one. Their throats are an open grave; with their tongues they use deceit; poison of asps is under their lips: their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways.
For the way of peace, have they not known.
barbsinclair 3 months ago 8
@barbsinclair : Good comment Barb.
abbyguy 3 months ago
@abbyguy
(((abbyguy))) peace of our Lord Jesus be with your spirit.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
Perhaps there is "new light" on this topic?
abbyguy 3 months ago
@barbsinclair
“Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require My flock at their hand; I will cause them to cease feeding the sheep, and the shepherds shall feed themselves no more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouths, that they may no longer be food for them.”
11 I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places...Eze 34
emc2csc 3 months ago
@emc2csc AMEN
"I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places" Eze34:11-12
And today our LORD stands at all kingdom hall doors knocking, seeking His sheep, calling to deliver them from these places:
"Behold I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with me" Rv3:20
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair
Your words are his words.......amen
Rev 1:1 "to show His servants—things which must shortly take place."
He tells us the "End from the beginning" Isa 46:10
" 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near". Rev 1:3
emc2csc 3 months ago
@barbsinclair I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is destined to judge the living and the dead 2 Tim 4:1. What bible translation do I have to use to see YOUR name there as a judge? For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son Jn 5:22 oops looks like your name was left out again. Your blind as a bat if you can’t distinguish the so called "rulers" of JWs and Catholics. Do an actual compare and contrast and you'll see the difference.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
Hi DY, its been so long since I've heard from you. I've been praying for your soul, that you become a disciple of YHWH of hosts, Jesus Christ Mt28:19, as He said
Isa 8:16-17 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait upon YHWH, that hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him."
Are you waiting, looking for YHWH?
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair "For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge" Romans 10:2
Are you one of these that claim they have a zeal for God because when we spoke you couldn't distinguish a person from a being when we spoke about the Trinity. You claim you have this zeal but not according to accurate knowledge. hmmm
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"You claim you have this zeal"
I have the zeal of my Lord and my God in me, its not of myself.
Your the one who brings up trinity. I have no problem talking about it ~shrug. You bring it up, and ask questions on it, expect an answer, then slap me down for giving. I don't even treat my dog that way.
DY, when shall you become as a little child?
"Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." Mt18:3
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair When did you become so barbaric and judgmental by saying
"Their throats are an open grave; with their tongues they use deceit; poison of asps is? under their lips: their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways."
"Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone…" John 8:7
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH>"Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone…"John 8:7"
Typical JW, throw the Word of God as symbolic stoning those who expose's the perverse words of the worldly corporation Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
The Word of God Jesus Christ demands His disciple's KEEP His Word, not throw it around out of context at His body, His bride.
And by your own admittance, your neither a disciple witness of Christ Jesus, nor a member of His bride.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair Typical Anti JW response instead of sticking with the bible and the bible only they bring up Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
You believing in a Trinity is "own admittance, your neither a disciple witness of Christ Jesus, nor a member of His bride."
Has there been a day you didn’t criticized JW’s and go out and preach the gospel?
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"When did you become so barbaric and judgmental by saying "Their throats are an open grave; with their tongues they use deceit; poison of asps is? under their lips: their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways."
As it is written Rom 3:10-18.
There were other unbelievers who were defending YHWH like yourself, whom called Apostle Paul barbaric and judgmental. I'm very happy to be in Paul's company.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair you and Paul have 2 different Jesus' Paul said "the Head of Christ is God 1 Corth.. Barb with her man made ideas says God and Christ are equal. He would not have you in his company sorry.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
Paul to Titus 2:
10"adorn the teaching of our Savior, God, in all things...
11-12 God...has been manifested, instructing us...
13-14 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus, who gave himself for us that he...cleanse for himself a people peculiarly his own, zealous for fine works"
Amen Paul, TRUE Christians await the glorious 2nd coming of the Teacher, our great God and Savior Christ Jesus our Lord! Amen
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair I agree with everything you just quoted but too bad you don't agree with Paul or me. Then again you don't understand his writings YOUR mind is too Saturated with man made philosophy. Put the apostate material away with those twisted words.
Then again, "..you like they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have [Barbsinclair] ears tickled" 2 Tim 4:3
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH Didn't your org tell just tell you that apostates are all mentally diseased and you shouldn't be commenting on apostate blogs and by extension vlogs? Have you now gone apostate by disobeying them?
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@21crosscheck21 I don't know maybe you should ask them. I enjoy speaking to you guys its fun exercise
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@barbsinclair Your works and zeal shows you spend more time condemning others rather then teaching, pointing fingers, pointing fingers, your comments are self-evident. "hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness" Matt 23:27
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH "" "hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness" Matt 23:27"" You see the verse and yet with all the obsessive dress codes and grooming codes of the WT along with their lies and hypocrisy you still defend them. So very sad.
21crosscheck21 3 months ago
@21crosscheck21 What dress & grooming codes do you mean? Do you mean clean shaving, suit and tie or overcoat, proper speech? How about respect for God's word and the ministry. To meet together with respect and proper dress etiquette, is that what you mean? What lies?
inscentof 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH>"you spend more time condemning others rather then teaching"
I rightly condemn JW "religious leaders and teachers"
watchtower . org/e/bh/article_01 . htm
"WHAT DOES THE BIBLE Really TEACH?" p9,pr3 "Does the Bible have the answers? Some feel that its answers are too hard to understand. Others worry that asking questions could lead to shame or embarrassment. And some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers. What about you?"
What about you JW?
barbsinclair 3 months ago
I rightly condemn JW "religious leaders and teachers" So your ministry is strictly condemning a religious org. Jesus didn’t command to do that he said "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations" Matt 28:19
So you "own admittance, your neither a disciple witness of Christ Jesus, nor a member of His bride." But a person criticizes a religion, nice ministry.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@barbsinclair Christians didn’t focus on critiquing a religious org but spent time preaching the kingdom of God. You should have a bible study with JWs to learn about that Kingdom.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
Question: how might Satan use "religious leaders and teachers" to deceive us?
What does THE BIBLE REALLY Teach?
The Word of God Jesus Christ warned: "false prophets", "false teachers" and "false christs" would come.
"Take heed that no man deceive you. FOR MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, I AM CHRIST; and shall deceive many...Behold, I have told you before." Mt 24:4-5,11,24-25
JW religious leaders and teachers claim to be "The Christ" composite seed of 144,001 MANY CHRISTS
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair This is a perfect example of lying and twisting words. Not one publication do they claim to be the "Christ" in the sense of Jesus. They claim to be anointed in the sense of 2 Cor 1:21. Your not to judge who is anointed to go to heaven or not ""Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ that is, TO BRING CHRIST DOWN" Romans 10:6
But this is a typical a non Christian anti JW like YOU always trying to bring Christ down.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"a person from a being"
To BE or not To BE; that is your question?
NWT Ac17:29 "Seeing therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagin that THE DIVINE BEING is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man."
The Divine Being is "the LIFE" "Eternal life" "the living God" "IS" BEing. The Divine Being has testified to us, and manifested to us: three self-existent Divine person's of BEing.
John's Gospel and 1John ch1
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair Your comment is prove that YOU "..go beyond the things that are written" 1Corth 4:6. The sentence "three self-existent Divine person's of Being" is never articulated in the bible. True biblical teaching 1 God The Father 1 Corith 8:6 and the head of Christ is God 1 Corith 11:3. If you just read the bible and take your preconceive trinity belief a side you’ll see 1 God Jehovah, there is no 3 persons in a Godhead.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
Its you (not me) who doesn't understand "person" and "being", NWT Ac17:29 "The Divine Being"
"Being" = existence
"Person" = individual
"The Divine Being" has three testifiers to mankind, and the three have One Name, NWT "Jehovah": "in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" Mt 28:19
I don't dispute The Law and The Testimony (Isa 8:20) of the Divine Being the NWT calls "Jehovah! I believe in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair You trying to define “being” in Acts alone shows you are very much confused because the Greek term θεῖον-theion gives no such word as "being" but a DIVINE being, and it's NEVER identified as exisitence you like try to equate. If the Greek had ὁ ὤν- ho hon in that text then you might have a point, but like always your point fails.
YOU read more into the text then what is written everyone can see that clearly.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"DIVINE being"
The Word Of God Himself testifies "the Divine Being" (nwt Ac17:29) is true God and Lord, the creator and maker of the heavens and earth, the sea and all that in them be Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-4; Ex20:8-11; Heb1:8-12,
"You at [the] beginning, O Lord JEHOVAH laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands"
All other gods and lords are false = Jer 10:10-11; Ex20:1-17!
God is true.
"Let God be true and every man [DY] a liar" Rm3:4
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair your not saying anything just quoting text
"Let God be true and every man(or woman example barbsinclair) a liar" Rm3:4
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
DY, go ahead and stomp your feet and have your temper tantrum, it matter not,
For the TRUTH remains the same: the Divine Being is God Sovereign Lord who at the beginning laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens and the sea and all things things in them. The Divine Being is Most High on the heavenly throne: far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name named, not only in this system of things, but also in that to come.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair I agree and that one divin being is Jehovah Ps 83:18
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
You at the beginning, Jesus Christ YHWH God [Jehovah], laid the foundations of the earth itself and the heavens are the works of your hands. They will perish, but you yourself are to remain continually; you are the same, and your years will never run out. Heb1:10-12
People SHALL KNOW that you Christ the Lord, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone [ are the Most High over all the earth. Ps83:18
Jesus Christ is Jehovah God Himself on His Throne Most High over all the earth. Eph1:21-23
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair "For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; " 2 Tim 4:3
It is your desire that to equate Jehovah and Jesus as one being it tickles Your ears. It's obvious YOU add more then what is written "Do not go beyond the things that are written" 1 Corth 4:6
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@barbsinclair
Question: Why do you go beyond the things that are written?
Barb Answers: To fit my theology
Counsel: "Do not go beyond the things that are written" 1 Corth 4:6
Pray about it
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH
You and JW religious leaders, take away from the Word of God whom testifies "the Divine Being" (nwt Ac17:29) is true God and Lord, the creator and maker of the heavens and earth, the sea and all that in them be Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-4; Ex20:8-11; Heb1:8-12,
"You at [the] beginning, O Lord JEHOVAH laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands"
All other gods and lords are false set for destruction = Jer 10:10-11 (Ex20:1-17).
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair "You and JW religious leaders, take away from the Word of God whom testifies "the Divine Being"
This coming from the person who tried to define BEING by their own man made philosophy idea with no basis? Again, "Do not go beyond the things that are written" 1 Corth 4:6, how many times does this need to be quoted to you before you apply it?
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"tried to define BEING by their own man made philosophy idea with no basis?"
My basis is The Word Of God testimony "the Divine Being" (nwt Ac17:29) is true God and Lord, the creator and maker of the heavens and earth, the sea and all that in them be Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-4; Ex20:8-11; Heb1:8-12,
"You at [the] beginning, O Lord JEHOVAH laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands"
All other gods and lords are false = Jer 10:10-11; Ex20:1-17!
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair So what happened to "Being" = existence…then you start quoting scriptures all over the place??? What are you even talking about? Be honest you don’t know what your talking about.
"So, if any one of YOU is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him" James 1:5
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH@barbsinclair8τη γαρ χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι δια της πιστεως και τουτο ουκ εξ υμων θεου το δωρον 9ουκ εξ εργων ινα μη τις καυχησηται 10αυτου γαρ εσμεν ποιημα κτισθεντες εν χριστω ιησου επι εργοις αγαθοις οις προητοιμασεν ο θεος ινα εν αυτοις περιπατησωμεν
so you claim you have
muzzledchristians1 3 months ago
@muzzledchristians1 explain this to me my first L IS GREEK@barbsinclair8τη γαρ χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι δια της πιστεως και τουτο ουκ εξ υμων θεου το δωρον 9ουκ εξ εργων ινα μη τις καυχησηται 10αυτου γαρ εσμεν ποιημα κτισθεντες εν χριστω ιησου επι εργοις αγαθοις οις προητοιμασεν ο θεος ινα εν αυτοις περιπατησωμεν
so you claim you have
muzzledchristians1 3 months ago
@muzzledchristians1 Ephesians 2:8-10 "By this undeserved kindness, indeed, YOU have been saved through faith; and this not owing to YOU, it is God’s gift. 9 No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting. 10 For we are a product of his work and were created in union with Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared in advance for us to walk in them" I agree this Barb person BOAST too much and points fingers.
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH>"Barb person BOAST too much"
If I boast, I boast in this: that the truth of Christ is IN me, no man shall stop me of this boasting! For I'm crucified with Christ:nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives IN me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me. AMEN
Test yourself DY whether your in the faith; prove your own self. Do you not know that Jesus Christ is IN you? Unless your disapproved = 2Co13:5
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair YOUR too busy criticizing other religions to boast for Christ you boast how you THINK your right. "“God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones.” James 4:6
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
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timo092601 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"barbsinclair I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus"
You who denies the Lord whom bought you (2Pe2:1-4); you who denies the bodily resurrection of my Saviour Christ the Lord Jesus, my Lord and my God; you who preaches the Son of God Christ the Lord is an angel of light which was enthroned in 1914 and king of the pit of abyss...
You charge me before my Holy Lord and God... you fail at all charges, you and your gods have no power or authority over me in Christ Jesus.
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus
You who deny Jehovah God is one Deut 6:4;You who deny The Father greater then Jesus-John5:20;You who claim the soul survives after death The soul that is sinning it itself will die Ezekiel 18:4you who preach that the Lord Jesus is God when Jesus denies it"I live because of the Father"Jn6:57
The bible alone charges you with your false doctrines because your teachings go far and "beyond beyond the things that are written"1 Corth 4:6
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH Rev 7:10
"Salvation comes from our God who sits on the throne and from the Lamb!"
NOT THE WATCHTOWER OR THE GOVERNING BODY
Matt 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
YET YOU CONTINUE TO FOLLOW MEN AND FALSE PROPHETS
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
YOUR GOVERNING BODY OF MEN INSIST YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM
SpecialPioneerSmerf 3 months ago
@barbsinclair Paul warned us about YOU "after my going away oppressive wolves(Barb) will enter in among YOU ...and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Acts 20:29-30.
Your teachings are not from God but of the Devil 1Tim 4:1
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
@DefendingYHWH >"speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Acts 20:29-30"
Twisted things to draw away disciples of Christ after themselves:
Watchtower Society condemned Russell's appointment as the Mt24:44-45 slave, as being "Creature Worship" = Proclaimers bk p625,707. 1975 JWs Year Bk p88,98,155. WT 8/15/1966 p508
So why did they condemn Russell's Mt24:44-45 appointment as "Creature Worship", but shortly thereafter appointed 143,999 More Creatures for JWs worship?
barbsinclair 3 months ago
@barbsinclair [Barbsinclair]speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Acts 20:29-30
You take all those WT publications and twist them, you should be a shame of yourself. But that’s expected for someone like YOU who twist the bible. How far are you willing to go to twist peoples words? WOW!!!!
Barbsinclair= DECEIVER
DefendingYHWH 3 months ago
Excellent points, Well done presentation.
Revelation 2:2
"And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars"
There is no scriptural support for 1919.......
The Prophecies in Daniel and Revelation were not fulfilled by the Watchtower Founders...100 years ago.
The Prophecies in Daniel and Revelation are future and not past.
You (The Watchtower) deprive your members of the Creators Fulfillment of his Word because of your traditions of men. 5047232802 Chris
emc2csc 3 months ago 2