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[assouma98]

i love your 5itab its excelent mashallah but at the begining there werent a good image about you i think camera quality like if his 5itab is excelent

[loveQuran4ever]

This is the Qur'an surah al-Ahzab ayat 6: "The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, and his wives are [in the position of] their mothers..." In this ayat, Allah give honor to the wives of Rasulullah (including Aisyah) as the mother of believers. Thus, the Shia claims that Aisyah was a disbeliever is definitely wrong. Shia regards her as their enemy. While Allah asks Muslim to respect her. Imam Ali said that Aisyah is Rasulullah wive's in the world and in paradise.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@loveQuran4ever Do not be an idiot, it is forbidden for anyone to marry the wife’s of the Prophet after the Prophet divorces them or after the prophet passes away. That is why they should regard them as they mothers. It is not giving any glory to the wife’s of the Prophet it is just telling you that you need to look at them as if you are looking at your mother (meaning do not look at them as a sex object or someone the you want to marry) get it? Imam Ali never said that, dont lie.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@loveQuran4ever Ayesha went to war with Imam Ali a war that caused 20,000 deaths.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Umar tried to assasinate the prophet, but when he got to the door, and Humza opened it, he apparently "saw the light". Mmmmmhhhhmmm.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 whats the source you're quoting from? baring in mind some sunni and shia sources differ from eachother

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Yeah, well, this has been authenticated. Sunnis sources say he "converted instantly", but you can deduce he was just frightened of Humza...

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 as i said before, can you provide the source of this narration. you can't deduce anything unless you have proof.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Ummm.... mate, look it up. Type on google 'Umar tried to kill the Prophet'. And by the way, he also killed Fatima. Even Sunnis believe that.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 I did search for it and found nothing. only found something in a shia chat site. how ironic. i've never met any sunnis who believe that umar RA killed fatima. again, find me narrations from sunni sources. If not the goodbye and don't waste my time.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Im inboxing you the link to another vid. Enjoy :)

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 just as i thought. they're not even hadith, more importantly not sahih. your vid wasn't a waste of time, infact it just increases my beliefs in what i already believe so thank you

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Umm... yeah they were ALL Sunnis sources. Keep being ignorant young one.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 its up to you if you believe everything you read, thats why we have something called quran and hadith. not just random writings of people.

according to sunni hadith fatima died a natural death, so that obviously counters your silly claims.

carry on worshipping ali.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 That last statement says it all. You know nothing about Shia Islam.

And... yeah of course there will be claims about a natural death, even if its false, no? Why did Fatima die along with her unborn child? Is that natural? Someone must have physcially injured/ killed Fatima for the unborn child to be hurt as well.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 are you stupid? if the mother dies and the baby is still inside the mother, then where will the baby get its energy sourse from. the baby can stay alive during birth even if the mother dies.

you have no proof about anything, you just like to speculate. you're a joke. you can't provide no authentic hadith to say any of the calips killed fatima, so keep your ignorant nonsense to yourself and your fellow shites

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Using Sunni sources, like Abu al-Hasan 'Alī al-Mas'ūdī a great Sunni Scholar, Fatimah died after Umar had led a party of armed men against Ali's house in Medina and called for Ali and his men to come out and swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, who they had decided would take power in the meeting at Saqifah. Umar and Khalid ibn Walid threatened to burn the house down if they did not submit.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 They broke in, resulting in Fatimah's ribs being broken between the broken door and the wall, and she miscarrying an unborn son named Muhsin. According to Mas'udi, they dragged Ali out of the house and pressed Fatima between the door and the wall so forcefully that Muhsin, her unborn son, died of miscarriage.According to some sources, Muhammad appeared in a dream and informed Fatimah that she would be passing away the next day.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 ok i'l say it one last time. you're obviously too stupid to understand. give me a sunni authentic hadith that says so. if not then get lost.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Hadith = Sayings of the prophet. The prophet was not alive at the time of Fatima's death.

[Jaffacakez13]

@Jaffacakez13 Obviously I cant give you a saying of the prophet from when after he died. Duhhh...

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 yeh exactly, with hadith we can see the chain of narration to see the authenticity. Most shias believe umar killed fatima and most sunnis believe she dies a natural death. in judgement day we will see who was right.

let me know when you're off to abuse yourself.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 In judgement day we shall. You really think Shias will go to hell? And abuse myself? Are you talking about mourning for the death of Imam Hussein?

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 I think anyone who disrespects any of the caliphs and elevates and attributes powers to normal humans are going to hell yes.

also i'm talking about when shias torture and abuse themselfs.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@ukmale999 The Jinn also mourn for Imam Husain, Zaa'far the King of Shia Jinn said in the day of Ashura I came with my army of 90 000 & asked Imam to please allow us to kill this infidels (Sunnis who killed Imam Husain) but Imam said that if we wanted to use our supernatural powers we could but this is a test for all until the judgment day. Zaa'far said I was crying & would hurt my face since I could see this tragedy but was ordered by Imam not to intervene. Angels also cry and mourn for Husain.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@ukmale999 Husain is way much greater in the heavens and earth than you think, God has sent 4000 Angels by the shrine of Imam Husain in Karbala and this Angels mourn for Imam and the tragedy of Karbala until the judgment day, this is how important the tragedy of Karbala is. Angel "Fotros" will take the greetings and Salam and Ziyarat of anyone from anywhere on the face of planet earth that is done towards Imam Husain to Karbala & Imam Husain. Imam Husain is loved in the heavens.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@ukmale999 Every year the Shia Jinn mourn for Imam Husain.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Normal Humans? Here's a hadith for you, authenticated:

"Hussein and Hassan are the leaders of the youth in paradise".

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 And torture? Personally, everyone in the community and I simply beat our chests, like a mother who has lost a child (or something to that nature). Self harming is actually banned by many Mujtahids now.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 what are you banging on about? i never said mourning for someone is wrong. so that was a waste of time. i am talking about the people mostly happen to be shias take things to the extreme.

like people who elevate fatima and ali to like prophets. no one says you can't love them.

i'm talking about the shias who beat themselfs until they bleed or leave bruises on their body

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Well theyre pretty damn close.

And thats a real minority. Thank you. Hope you understand the Shia belief, and that we are not Kafirs.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 i do understand the shia belief. I just don't agree with it. depends what shiah you talk about. some still pray to ali r.a.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Thats like 1 % of Shias, so shup. And tell me why you dont agree with it?

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 what the hell is 'shup'? I told you already. some shis beat themselfs, other shias pray to ali, some shias think the ayatollas have divine inspiration from god.

and i don't agree with the negative belief they have of abu bakr, umar and usman. so therefore i dont believe in shia belief. simpla as that!

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Beating ourselves just shows the extent of our love for the man who sacrificed himself to save this religion. Abu Bakr was not really put in a negative limelight, only the other two, as Umar, according, to Sunni and Shia scholars, tried to kill the Prophet.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 if all the shias get togther on a certain day and harm themselvs every year and make it a practice then in my opinion its not from islam. harming yourself physically is haram.

as i said before most sunnis don't believe umar r.a tried to kill fatima.

so thats where we disagree.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 "Shias get together on a certain day" - do you know what day this is?

Hitting yourself on the chest does not harm yourself. As I said before, it is a physical expression of grief, much like a mother does when she has lost a relative. It is mainly, I agree, a cultural thing.  Some Shias just cry tears, and I believe thats better. But theres no harm in hitting yourself on the chest. While it's happening, Nawha's and Marshiyas about these tragic events are recited.

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 alot of shias do alot more then just beat their chest.

You don't seem to understand so i'l make it simple for you. MOST sunnis DON'T believe that umar killed fatima.

so therefore yes i do believe in majority of the sunni scholars.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 A lot? You mean a handful of images you see on some website? And let's stop this. One question: Do you think Shias are Kafirs/will go to hell?

[ukmale999]

@Jaffacakez13 out of all the sects only one will go to heaven so i guess that means the shias will go to hell

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 Ha. Thats Sunni beliefs. We seem to be a little more tolerant saying it also depends on your actions, not your beliefs.

[Jaffacakez13]

@ukmale999 And don't you believe your own Sunni scholars?

[Hafez21hafez21]

@abuzainah1 Ya people also can read that you are not a Shia, so buzz off.

[jaggafeen]

you shia are the followers of dajjal

[Hafez21hafez21]

@jaggafeen Why............ ignorant one?!

[nadeem111]

@Hafez21hafez21 , because you don't believe in Ameer-ul-Momeneen Mulla Omar and Taliban but in one who died around the time of the Prophet.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@nadeem111 Taliban is a peice of shit.

[Jaffacakez13]

@jaggafeen Really? Which is why our 12th Imam will kill him -_-

[Shi3aOfAli]

YA ALI!!!!!!!!! (AS) YA HUSSAIN!!!!!! (AS)

[5tan1214]

@mrtheyoussef

How is it that the Greatest Creation ever (whom was infallible) departs the world without appointing a successor leaving the Ansar and the Muhajirun to come to an agreement. (Bearing in mind every Prophet appointed a successor after them.) On the contrary, when Abu Bakr passes away, he appoints Umar. Why wasn't the same system implemented? (Bear in mind both were fallible)

[MrTheYoussef]

@ukmale999 exactly the Prophet (saw) said whoever insult my companions let the curse of Allah and all the Angels and People be upon him.

[sh3rri1]

Just want to clarify a few issues firstly Shia' means "the followers of a certain particular group" and secondly the imamate are specifically chosen by The All Mighty "ALLAH" (swt)All Prophets of Allah had successors by the authority of Allah(swt) including Aba al Qasim Muhammad ( pbuhahf).

[justworldwide]

@ukmale999 well said islam became stronger because of umar and abu bakr was the closest friend to out=r beloved prophet.

[wshanny50]

i used to be sunni now i reject sunni belief and accept shia islam which is so logical ..sunnis are mostly conflicting school of thoughts like they consider all sahaba are good person and will go to janah how??a killer go to jana ..i normally realize these are sunnis hero like abobakar,umar,usman,yazeed,moa­via,kahlid bin walid,usama bin ladin,all kings of middle east,extremist,suicide bombers,??other thn shia are peacfull..they love ahlulbait..all my family is going to become shia ..

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrTheYoussef May Allah guike you or blind you or make deaf Ya rab Alameen Amin

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrTheYoussef May Allah guide you or insha Allah blind you or make you deaf Ya rab Alameen Amin may the curse of Allah be upon you and may Allah curse you. Ya Rrabal Alameen Ameen the Curse of Allah and his Holly Angels and Prophets and Imam Ali and Lady Fatima be upon you and those who have bad intentions towards me. Ameen

[MrTheYoussef]

@Hafez21hafez21 InshaAlah this will not be the case because i pray my night prayers and ask Allah to give me a good life here and hereafter. I said nothing wrong except that may Allah guide and if he doesn't and you stay in your current false believes than may Allah make you blind and break you back inshaAllah. There is nothing wrong with that because if he doesn't guide means you don't deserve it and if he does guide you may the peace of Allah be upon you.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrTheYoussef since you reject the Wilayah and Imamate of Imam Ali, there for your prayers would not be accepted, you praise the enemies of Ahlul Beyt, therefore you love the enemies of Prophet Muhammad,, there is a authentic narration that once Satan woke Muaviyeh up to do his morning prayer, when Muaviye said who are you he told him I am Iblis he said how come you did this he said I know your prayers would not be accepted because you don't believe in Willayah of Ali any way.

[MrTheYoussef]

@Hafez21 I follow what has been Revealed of truth i don't blindly follow whatever my Leaders tell me. Allah accepts the Repent of a believer you don't have to follow someone except the Prophet (saw) and his way of living. You have been indoctrinated by Kafier Leaders, Ali never claimed to follow him, The Broken rib story is all mad up. You Religion is based on lies but on the Day of Judgement it doesn't matter, if you worshipped next to Allah than you will go to Hel, Its not Rocket science!

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrTheYoussef You are a Sunni that his soul has been infiltrated by Wahabi Ideology, Prophet Mohammad said after me follow Ali & after him follow whoever Ali appoints. But Abu Bakar and Omar & their followers turned their back to Prophets religion & did whatever their ego desired and that was to take the Caliphate away from Imam Ali and do all those evil acts against the prophet`s family attacking other countries etc. Well this was not Islam and problems started there & continues today.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrTheYoussef may Allah break your back and blind you for cursing the Shia's of Ahlul Bayt

[MrTheYoussef]

@Hafez21 I never insulted Ali (Allah is wel pleased with him) nor Fatima (Allah is wel pleased with her), Ali (rra) is a great man and a Greats Soldier and Servant of The Most Beneficent.

You are just blindly following your leaders and for the same sake you can be a kafier, But if Allah guides you to Paradise than may the peace of Allah be with you and if he doesn't guide you than may Allah curse be upon you.

Surah Al-kafiroen

7)For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

[zipppy9]

but hazrat ali r.a. was only 31 years old when the holy prophet s.a.w. died. too young and in experienced to lead the young ummah anyway.just think allah promised the protection and spread of his religion and book. why is it that only wayward muslims somtimes convert to shiaism. it has no appeal too non muslims.where is the shia docter zakir naik etc. becoz ppl looking for truth were already tired of the unscientific and desire based innovations infesting their own religions. read the quran plz

[Hafez21hafez21]

@zipppy9 It does not matter how old he was, because he was the chosen one from the beginning of creation just like all the124000 Prophets, and the other 11 Imams and Lady Fatima. This things are not random or accident. As Prophet s.a.w told Imam Ali that (Oh Ali after me the my umah will be divided in to 73 sects and out of this 73 only one sect will go to heaven and those are your Shia's) The word Shia was first given to followers of Imam Ali by Prophet Muhammad himself. Shia Islam is the truth

[area40five]

The bottom line is that Muhammad the final Prophet in Islam doesn't have the right to pass his leadership to Ali regardless if he did so or not.The only way Ali could of been the leader is if the People elected him and as we know it they didn't.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@area40five The orders from Prophet Muhammad was to have Ali take over after him, in order for the religion of Islam not to go to the wrong direction as it did. This has nothing to do with what they call election's today. When Abu Bakr and than Omar and then Othman took over they did things in the name of Islam that was not Islamic and those things became part of the common practices today, that is why we have all this problems in Muslim societies, Taliban, Wahabism, Salafism Abu Hurayra...ism.

[iglebanon]

@area40five

StaghfurAllah, how could you say that. If anyone has the right to choose, it is the Prophet s.a.a.w.w. 'regardless if he did so or not'... Are you crazy to say something like that.. If the Prophet s.a.a.w.w tells you Imam Ali a.s is the successor, then he is.... He has more right than you and any1 else in history. He is the best of creations, if his word means nothing to you then i dont see what will. You do not have an argument, go study. May Allah s.w.t guide us all. Salam

[area40five]

@Hafez21hafez21 Why are you always bring Saudi Arabia up, i need once said or suggested that they are any better than you lot or anything of that kind.Mourning for someone is great but cutting your heads and blooding on the streets isn't really mourning is it?It is a ritual under the Islam religion and this is not defending your religion , your basically insulting the Islamic religion.Defending your religion is reading and understanding, peacefully and mannerly.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@area40five I just told you there is a minority of less than 1% that do this and the rest of the 400,000,000 Shia's don't do this, and that 1% have their own reasons to do so. But if you don't like what that 1% do for Imam Hussain to themselves don't watch it, but you can't attack Main stream Shia's for a ritual practiced by less than 1% of 400,000,000 million Shia.

[area40five]

What a lot of rubbish ,Shai Islam is a man made religion based on worshiping normal individuals mixed with disgusting rituals like blooding for the sake of normal people.Sick religion should be banned in the West.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@area40five Worshiping normal individuals? Is worshiping God worshiping a normal individual? Mourning for Imam Hussein the grandson of the Prophet is a disgusting ritual to you? The Shia Islam should be banned in the west? Why... because it is the most tolerant sect of Islam in the world when it comes to other religions.....and your way of Islam Wahabi and Salafi Islam who considers Jews and Christians and Shia MUSLIMS infidels should not be banned in the west ? Satan has made you blind

[area40five]

@Hafez21hafez21 Yes worshiping Imam Hussein is a normal individual and cutting and blooding yourself is a disgusting ritual so don't try to twist the facts.Yes the West should ban Shai Islam as it have crime and disgusting elements like cutting your head blooding for individual hundreds years ago.Sunni Islam doesn't consider Christians nor Jewish to be Infidel but it considers Zionist and Iran Leader to be infidels.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@area40five Now last time I checked Mourning for someone was not called worshiping that person in any culture and society, excepts Wahabi's in Saudi Arabia who believe that you should not even visit a cemetery, There is a minority in the Shia sect, and that minority are less than 1% in terms of numbers when it comes to 400,000,000 Shia's in the world who do that to mourn for Imam Hussain to show their love for him, and to show if they were in Karbala that they would defend the religion of God.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@area40five Satan has made you blind........so you only see with one eye.... and that eye is the eye of Ignorance and materialism, you see things with the eye of Jahl (Ignorance).

[area40five]

@Hafez21hafez21 Now who is calling who Infidel ? Shia Islamic is calling a Christian Infidel.Elections are in all religions and the People at the time didn't elect ALI to be the leader , easy and simple.Who the hell is Ali for him to be the leader when he wasn't elected?

[Hafez21hafez21]

@area40five Don't twist the facts. there was no election at the Time of Omar..... Omar and other hypocrites made a what you would call coup d'état and took the Caliphate from Imam Ali. And the Christians and Jews are not considered infidels in Islam. But I keep hearing from Wahabis and Salafis just like yourself that they are, once again, It is clear to me that you are not a Muslim

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 that is rubbish omar stole the calaphate from ali thats why he married his daughter to him thats why when omar radiallahu anhu went to palestine to recieve the keys he left ali incharge of the caliphate if he stole it why did ali radiallahu anhu give him back on his return why was ali radiallahu anhu one of his advisers you see the picture you paint contradics what actully happened be honest with yourself and dont let emotions take over think.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 Heh the biggest rubbish is changing the history and believing in something that did not happen and not believing in something that did happen, First of all Omar never married Imam Ali's daughter. Omar never left Imam Ali in charge of Caliphate to get some keys!!! Omar called himself the Caliph until the day he was killed. Now The picture you are trying to paint contradicts what really happened. THAT IS THE FACT.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 you believe what you want it dosent matter what evidence i give to you because you dont follow evidence you follow your desires . Mu'awiyah ibn 'Ammar says: I asked him about a woman whose husband died: Should she spend her 'iddah in her house, or where she wants to? He replied, "Where she wants to. When 'Umar died, 'Ali u came and took Umm Kulthum to his house." (Furu' al-Kafi, vol. 6 p. 117) so ru going to reject al kafi now

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 what about this you so called follower of evidence Abu Ja'far al-Tusi relates from imam Ja'far and he from his father imam Baqir :He said: "Ali's daughter Umme-Kulthum and her son Zaid bin Umar bin al-Khattab, died at the same time. No one knew who died first. Therefore none of them was made the inheritor of the other, and their funeral prayers were offerred simultaneously.(tehzeeb al ahkaam, kitab al meeras, chapter meeras al garkhi wal mahdoom, vol 9 , page 262)

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 what about this Qazi Nurullah Shustari who is known as the Shaheed e Saalis (The Third Martyr) wrote about this marriage that: Prophet(saw) gave his daughter to usman and Ali married his daughter with umar.( majalis ul momineen, page 85) and this Ibn Shahr Ashob mentions: "Ali had the following children from Fatima: al-Hasan, al-Husain, al-Muhsin, Zainab the elder and Umme-Kulthum whom Umar married" ( Manaqib al-abi Talib Vol.3,P.162,Published in Bombay, India )

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 Now what you are saying is not authentic enough, the mainstream Shia Scholars have proved over and over in their books that she was very small when Omar was killed. You need to see the facts. You need to open your eyes, you need to see the reality for what it is. You need to break away from Wahabi propaganda. This is not stone age any more with one click of a button you can do research and find the truth in internet as this is the age of Information not fictional propaganda.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 i told you , you wont believe i quoted al akfi nahg al blaagha your most trusted books if what your saying is true then your whole deen is week and fabricated if your saying your trusted books contain lieyes then what do you have left nothing lol i told you before that i dont follow wahabi properganda from the last time talking to you i follow evidence you need to go study your own books then talk

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 You see we are not like you, our religion is not based on books written by people, like Sahih, Bukhary etc, We believe only Quran is 100% correct and house hold of the Prophet. quote from Kafi in not good enough it has to be compared and worked on and investigated for its Authenticity. That is the difference between you and us, You Think anybody that was around the Prophet is good, WE USE DISCRETION, you think all your hadith book is true WE USE DISCRETION,

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 dont change the subject now and what you talking about you follow the quraan haundred percent when the quraan was given to you by thease very people you hate if they are lierr userpers people who conspire to kill etc how can you accept the quran bet you never thought about that did you lol and how can you follow your imam without books thats stupid oh ye talking about authenticity i know i dont believe in al kafi and the rest of your books because the majority of hadiths r week

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1I Think you are drugs, since what you are saying is not making any sense, Quran was given to Prophet Mohammad by God, this has nothing to do with Omar or Abu baker, so don't fool yourself and you can't fool anybody with the kind of logic and reasoning hear, Shia Ideology is very straight forward. WE DO NOT TRUST JUST ANY BODY BECUASE THEY HAPPEN TO BE BESIDE THE PROPHET (THEY WERE REGULAR PEOPLE SOME WERE GOOD AND SOME WERE HYPOCRITES, AS I SAID WE USE DISCRETION BUT YOU DONT.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 continued from the last comment . so you cant follow the quraan because according to you the quraan is corupted is well so what r u gouing to follow now and the the way ahlul sunnah consider if a hadith is correct or not is much much higher than the shia and thats a fact go recearch it if you dont believe me and listen im not arguing with you to win or loose thats not my intention my intention is that we come to the truth

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 Once again you show everyone here that you don't have any LOGIC, just like many Sunnis and Wahabis, NO SHIA HAS EVER SAID QURAN IS CRUPTED I said and The SHIA SAY THAT QURAN IS 100% CORRECT BY BOOKS LIKE (SAHIH BUKHARI) AND ALL THIS SUNNI MAJOR BOOKS THAT ARE FULL OF FALSE AND UNUTHENTHIC HADITH IS CORUPTED, And the major Shia books that are not Quran won't be trusted 100% since this books are not from God but written by people during time.

WE USE THIS BOOKS WITH DISCREITION.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 listen you except what your ayyahtullas tell u thas a fact my piont was that you curse umar abubaker and other companions they were the very people who compiled the quraan if they are not reliable than the quraan cant be either tyhats is your belief and how come your always shoutin and screaming logic this and logic that when your the ones with ni understanding that is funny dont you think and over 100 pf your scholers believe that the quran is corupted so dont play games with me

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 No they were not the people who complied with Quran, they were the people who betrayed Prophet Mohammad and his house hold, killed Lady Fatima the daughter of Prophet Mohammad, brought back Muaviye to Power son his son Yazid may Curse of God be upon him could kill Imam Hussain the Grandson of the Prophet and his children and companions, and made Lady Zeynab the grand daughter of the Prophet prisoner . You have been misinformed all your life,

[abuzainah1]

@Hafez21hafez21 i was just going through the comments just to see what people have been saying you got ripped appart buy this guy mrabumusa1 lol. anyway what r u talking about its a fact that abubaker and umar compiled the quraan in the book form we have today and the uthman spread the same mushaf through out the muslim world so if they r corrupt then how can u take the quraan from them and how can u say 400 000000 belive in the quran 100% today HAVE U ASKED THEM

[Hafez21hafez21]

@abuzainah1 The Quran is not the problem, it is the interpretation of the Quran that is different, there is the Shia interpretation and there is Sunni interpretation than it gets worst from the Sunnis there are Wahabis and Salafis who have their own interpretation of the Quran, The Shias stayed with the Prophet the Sunnis deviated right from the beginning after the death of the Prophet.

[Hafez21hafez21]

@abuzainah1 heh..mrabumusa ripped himself, basing your argument on nonexistent facts is being reasonable to you? He just kept repeating his bullshit. mr abumusa Sargavi or whatever his name is had nothing reasonable to say at all and so far you have not made any point neither.

[MrAbumusa1]

@MrAbumusa1 your living in a dream and if i havent provided evidence than i dont know what evidence is there no point speaking someone who is programed in speaking so this is my last comment to you may allah guide you or break your back for doubting the judgment of his finale prophet oa allah

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 May Allah break your back and the Curse of Allah be upon you for supporting the enemies of Allah. May Allah give you some of your punishment in this world for supporting evil. and for betraying the Prophet of God and his house hold. May Allah curse you and the curse of Imam Mahdi and God holly angels be upon you for the evil you stand for.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21there are numerous traditions about Tahreef in Quran in Usul Kafi. In this book there have been put chapters especially on Tahreef in Quran and the effect of such traditions is that the last eminent muhaddith (hadith scholar) of jafri shi’ites, Nuri Tabrasi, in his book Faslul Khitab fee Tahreef Kitab Rabbul Arbab, has not only mentioned 2000 traditions and hadiths of shias over Tahreef in Quran but also stated clearly that all early eminent shia scholars (high ups) except 4

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 I just told you! non of the Shia scholars and Ayatollahs and clerics belive the Quran has been through Tahreef.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 It has also been stated in this book that these four rejectors of Tampering in Quran cannot prove their views using principles of shi’ism.

(In other words their views are based on Taqiyyah so that shias can use their cover at the time of need, saying our these 4 ‘ulama don’t believe in Tahreef in Quran and we also don’t believe in such ‘aqeedah.)

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 Thier veiws are based on Taghiya!!!! Right now every Shia scholar and Ayatollah and Cleric and 400,000000 million Shia's in the world believe that Quran is not crupted,. So they are doing Taghiyah? Do you even know what Taghiya is? YOU BRAIN WASHED MISINFORMED SUNNI! Do you think the ayatollahs in Iran are afraid of anyone to do Taghiya? when they hold total power in Iran, are you out of your mind. You dont even know what Taghiya is. I ask you what is Taghiyah???!!!!

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 you r 1 funny guy the amount of evidence iv given you from your sources and you say every one of them is week that means you have nothng authentic because alot of the chains r the same .

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 So far you have not given a single evidence to prove your delusional picture you have about the Shia's to be correct. All you have provided is some fictional arguments that have no base and truth to it. Instead of giving me fictional crap have some logic in your approach.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 and this Shia jurispudents use the wedding as an argument that a Hashmi woman can marry a non-Hashmi man.Hilli writes in Shara'i-ul-Islam: "It is legal for a free woman to marry a slave, an Arab woman to marry a non-Arab, and a Hashmi woman to manny a non-Hashm" (Shara'i-il-Islam" Fi Fiqh al-Ja'fri , under Kitab un-Nikah )

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 The Prophet married one of his daughters to Uthman and the other to Abu-al-As bin Rab'i, and both of them were non-Hashmis. Similarly Ali married Umme-Kulthum to Umar. Abdullah bin Umar bin Uthman married Fatima, the daughter of Hussain and Musa'b bin al-Zubair married her sister Sakina. All of the were non Hashmis. (Masalik al-Ifham "Sharh Shara-il-Islam", Chapter Lawahiq-al-'Aqd, Vol.1, Iranian Edition 1282 A.H)

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 He asked her: Where did you get them? Umme-Kulthum explained to him (the whole story). Umar held them (in his hands) and said: all of the belong to the Muslims.She inquired: how? they have been sent to me in exchange for my present.

He replied: I leave the decision to your father.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 Ali explained: Your portion out of it is the value of just one dinar; the rest of it belongs to the Muslims as it is the messenger of the Muslims who has brought it",.(Ibn abi al-Hadid "Sharh Nahj-ul-Balaga", Vol.4, P.575, Published in Beirut 1375)

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 after all thease evidences iv posted you still ain going to believe but it dosent matter because atleast other people can read it yes and there are plenty more narrations from shia sources which proves the marrige of umar and um kalthum ibn ali

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 This evidence you have posted is from simple Hadith that are simply not authentic. We take the Prophet Mohammad's house hold interpretation of Quran (Prophet Mohammad version of Islam) you take Omar and Abu Bakar, and Abu Hurayras version of Islam. THIS IS THE DIFFRANCE BETWEEN YOU AND US.

You say any body that was the companion of the Prophet is good, We say not anybody that was the companion of the Prophet was good and therefore their version of Islam cannot be followed.

[MrAbumusa1]

this will be posted sepratley because it lenght . Umar bin al-Khattab sent a messenger to the emporer of Rome. Umar's wife Umme-Kulthum bought a (bottle of) scent which was worth a few dinars. She poured it into two bottles and sent it as a present to the wife of the Roman emperor. When the messenger returned, he brought with him two bottles filled with jewels.

When Umar cam into her room, he found the jewels scattered all over the place.

[MrAbumusa1]

when the prophet muhammed sallallahualihiwasallam said to ali radiallahuanu you are to me like haroon was to musa it dosent mean he will be the khilafah after the prophet sallallahualihiwasallam why because harroon died berfore musa allahislaam if he was hinting at ali being the next khalifah he should of said you are to me like yusha bin noon was to musa

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 And this is are your logic???!!!

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 no this is commen sense your the ones who try to say that th hadeeth where the prophet pbuh said ali you are to me as haroon was to musa to mean that he should lead after the prohet pbuh when the prohet was indicating on this instance that you are my brother and i trust you more than anyone els thats why when the prohrt was leaving for batlle ali said take me with you dont leave me here to look after the woman and children thats when the prohet pbuh said the words of the hadeeth

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 you need to study the facts,

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 i need to study the facts look whose talking please. your the one that needs to study the facts have you ever read the biography of the prophet idont think you have the way you comment

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 you need to study the facts since you are ignorant about the true history of Islam. this is as simple as that.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 is that the only thing you can say you keep on repeating your self like a parrot.

what facts give me some examples instead of repeating yourself

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 It is simple man use your intellect for a change! read about the Shia beliefs in the website provided in my channel, in the website you can also read about the historical facts. It is as simple as that, instead of a parrot repeating what wahabi parapagnda has planted in your head! be a free man! do your own research, you are not leaving in stone age anymore It is easy to research. Dont be a victim of wahabi prapagndah and fitnah.

[MrAbumusa1]

@Hafez21hafez21 you see now you are revealing your true colours accusing me of following wahbi propaganda you dont no me from adam and iv read your most trusted books which books have you read i aint brain washed i accept the truth when it is provided with evidence unlike you, you follow what youv been tol without cheking

[Hafez21hafez21]

@MrAbumusa1 Ok that is good brother, and If you are not following Wahabi propaganda forgive my wrong judjment, so all the facts are in the website I have provided if you read it you will see the truth Inshallah.

[1azaan1]

@MrAbumusa1 Even if the hadith suggests that Ali was the Prophets most trusted companion, Allah gave Abu Bakr the role of the first Muslim caliph, im sure you would agree that Allah is the Best of decision makers and the best of planners, now whether you believe Ali was meant to be the first caliph or not, back to reality, my brother he wasn't so we should not detest what Allah has done. I be watching this guy on TV, i had nothing against shia prior to vewing him but i have learnt much. Thanks

[MrAbumusa1]

@1azaan1 bro i dont understand your comment i dont bekieve ali was ment to be the first khlaifah i was refuting yhe shia. trying to say the evedences they use are week. did you read my comments properly

[1azaan1]

@MrAbumusa1 Sory my brother, i was meant to reply to the other guy.

[MrAbumusa1]

@1azaan1 dosent matter my bro it happens

[Hafez21hafez21]

@mrizvi0121 I am glad it it was usefull for you brother. ramadhan mubarak

[adnanabbas14]

mubahilla..... and this also proves ali's caliph.... then their is hadith-e-manzillah the won which i adore as much as the other ones... the prophet (pbuh&hf) said " Oh ali you are to me as Haroon was to musa, EXCEPT THEIR WILL BE NO PROPHET AFTER me" and notice where it says after.... doesnt that resemble ali for being caliph... and also EVERY prophet of god (saw) all appointed a successor after them...so ofcourse the best one out of all of them surely did buh sunni's apparantly reject it :D