lol the reason why the stadium is not full is also because the stadium is like huge and toronto has like atleast 3 other sports teams happening at the same time. meanwhile a city like winnipeg has nothing going on.
Because there is such a vast talent pool to draw from, the NFL generally doesn't give players a chance to warm up to the level of play. Drop a few passes in training camp and you're gone. Does that mean you are a garbage player? Definitely not.
Stefan Logan goes from the CFL's BC Lions to the Pittsburgh Steelers. In 2009, he broke the Steelers single-season record for return yards. In the beginning of the 2010 season they cut him? Was he crap? It's business above everything else.
The chances you get in the NFL are usually commensurate to the importance of the position you play and the amount of money they're paying you. Stefan may not be crap at all but he also may have began to perform below the standard they set for him in 2010 leading to him being cut. Even Johnny Unitas got cut by the Steelers, so it's a guessing game as to what teams are thinking when they make a cut. Sometimes it's because a player's play drops, and sometimes it's just sheer stupidity.
@AllPro777 Debating with you has been fun. You have proven yourself to be a logical individual, and by far the most educated football fan I've debated with online. Cheers.
I don't think it's a murky subject in the least. The fact is Ricky did very admirably while he played up here. Coming from a league where the level of competition is higher, he was expected to increase his stats (which he did) but he did so only by 17% and not the "leaps and bounds" that most expected. I am simply commenting to combat the notion that the CFL is a league who's players couldn't compete with American high school football talent (I have been told that believe it or not.)
But averages are a murky subject without taking the whole into account. To allude to a point I made earlier, averages are often contextual. We're looking at a system that was runningback-by-commitee. Historically, that system has been known to produce similar results (See the 80's Broncos) so it's not uncommon. I'm not saying Ricky was bad, I just expected better like you appear to have too. I don't think the CFL is high school level, but I think they'd have trouble winning the SEC.
@AllPro777 Well...as to your point about CFL not winning the SEC...that's purely your subjective opinion and obviously not based on any kind of factual evidence. Most of the players in the CFL played college ball on Division I FBS, and FCS teams.
Just look at the talent pool that both leagues have to draw from. There are 2640 starting players on FBS rosters alone. 1696 active roster (and 160 PR) spots available in the NFL. Where do the other 784 players go? Not to mention FCS, Div II, III
Well, lol, yes of course what I said is purely subjective, no different from if you said that the CFL would destroy an SEC team, it's all subjective unless they actually play it out on the field. I did however say that CFL teams would have trouble, I never said they wouldn't/couldn't win it.
As for the talent pool, I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe the NFL is missing 784 times in that situation. Very seldom are guys in the CFL just because they were missed on.
@AllPro777 Logically we can conclude that the NFL will be able to attract the "cream of the crop", hereinafter referred to as 100 pointers. Based on the size of the talent pool, I am arguing that the talent bell curve is gradual. By this I mean, assuming that every one of the 1856 players in the NFL are 100 pointers, we would have to logically conclude that the CFL has to choose from what remains...the 99 pointers, the 90 pointers and so on.
@AllPro777 With any bell curve, the bulk is somewhere in the middle of the talent scale, but logic and sheer numbers would dictate that the players that are available to the CFL are, despite not being 100 pointers, still very highly talented individuals. 80 to 90 percent of what the NFL chooses. We can't reasonably determine that after the 1696 have been chosen by the NFL that the talent level drops from 100 point players to 50 or 60. The 95, 90, 85 point players are all still available.
Those are all great perspectives. When the CFL's salaries were higher than the NFL's, they were able to snag guys away from the NFL and the only thing kept more top guys from the CFL was that most American players wanted to stay in America regardless of what the CFL was paying (like Jim Brown who the Argos offered the biggest contract in pro football history at the time). The NFL today has been many times dominated by late-rounders, longshots, and unknowns... *continued next post*
*Cont.* ... so it's an indication the NFL's scouting has gotten better or at the very least they've taken great advantage of the technology available today. I think for the CFL to get back into the game, the league's success will have to explode even greater, salaries will have to rise, and there will have to be consistent expansion in untapped major Canadian markets... but I was saying that over a decade ago and it hasn't come. Yep this debate has been great, you know your stuff!
@Potandthekettle That logic doensn't hold water because if the NFL talent level is "WAY" above the CFL, the LB's and defensive backs in the CFL wouldn't have the strength or talent to stop a Pro-bowl player like Ricky. BTW...the difference in talent between both leagues is not as great as some people imagine.
Keep kidding yourself. If this were 1980 even 1985, I'd say you were right because the talent was pretty even up until that time. But the CFL has been declining talent-wise ever since the NFL's salaries went through the roof. The best QB in the CFL wouldn't even be able to hang on to the end of a preseason NFL roster. And any RB can be stopped when the line he runs behind isn't great at run-blocking. I don't recall the Argos being a great running team then with great run blockers.
@AllPro777 On the 2006 Argos roster the other two running backs Jeff Johnson, and John Avery averaged 4.2, and 5.3 yards per carry respectively. This being done behind the exact same run blockers. Ricky averaged 4.8 yards per carry.
How could it be that the "highly inferior" CFL running backs could post comparable numbers to an NFL pro bowler on exactly the same team, under the exact same conditions?
Murky subject. We both know that the CFL is not a running league so backs are carrying the ball with fewer opportunities and it's not uncommon to have high averages. You could carry the ball just a few times, only a rack a few yards and yet have a high average. Splitting time will also have an effect on how relevant the average is. If Williams was averaging 4.8 then he was right in the middle and doing well by your definition, but none of the Argos backs had a good season in 2006.
@brunoxrs Of course it holds water. It doesnt matter who the hell you have in the backfield. If your OLINE cant do shit against their DLINE, it doesnt matter whos in the backfield. The 2 lines are both in the CFL are they not? You have horrible logic and sense of reality buddy. LOL
@Potandthekettle First off dude...many people (maybe even you) believe it's men (NFL) against boys (CFL). If that is true (which I don't believe it is in the least) then Ricky or any all-star back would PLOW through the tiny, weak CFL d-line. Read my previous comments and you'll be able to follow my logic. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again just to you.
@Potandthekettle Actually there are only a handful of 300+lb defensive players in the CFL. The average weight of D-line players is 270-280. The average Defensive End is 255, and the average Defensive Back is 190. So I am correct when I state that a 230 lbs NFL Elite running back has all the conditions necessary to PLOW through the CFL defenses. Unless of course (GASP) there actually is some talent on CFL rosters.
@brunoxrs I dont give a shit if they're all 275. If the Oline cant block them then the running back has virtually no chance. This is not only football 101, but physics 101. Get a clue and stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Grow up
@Potandthekettle I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. The fact is...during the 2006 season, there were 3 backs that shared duties for the Argos. Jeff Johnson had 54 attempts for 227 yards (4.2y/att), John Avery 82 attempts for 432 yards (5.3y/att), and Ricky Williams 109 attempts for 526 yards (4.8y/att). Compare his performance to the other two running backs on THE SAME TEAM, with THE SAME O-LINE. His performance was admirable, but not miles above two CFL ham and eggers.
@brunoxrs Who the FUCK cares? I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE PLAY AND YOU BUTTED IN ASSHOLE. What part of that do you NOT understand? And all of what you wrote is utterly stupid and pointless because Ricky still came back to the NFL and ran for over 1,000 yds and 10 tds with a good average and played at a high level among the top backs in the league. I dont give a fuck about that or your dumb ass pointless argument you're having with some other moron. GET A LIFE
@brunoxrs And AGAIN: "this is ONE PLAY I'm talking about here in the video. And under your logic, ricky or any NFL player should never, ever lose yardage in the CFL. Which is fucking ridiculous " = your "logic" FAILS
@Potandthekettle What is horrible here, is your inability to understand the dozens of posts between me and AllPro777 (an actual knowledgeable football fan), and the logic that was presented. Do your reading first...comment second.
@brunoxrs I dont give a fuck about your love affair with allpro777. I'm replying to your stupid comment which was a response to me responding to someone else. lol
@brunoxrs And BTW, this is ONE PLAY I'm talking about here in the video. And under your logic, ricky or any NFL player should never, ever lose yardage in the CFL. Which is fucking ridiculous
@Potandthekettle Regardless of what you say...I have always been referring to his performance in general in the CFL. Not one play. Educated people can't argue ONE PLAY. One play means nothing, which is why I have been talking about his entire season the whole time. I still have yet to understand what you are arguing. It seems I've been talking oranges, and you're talking apples.
Much respect to the CFL. It's quite interesting. I think the CFL should merge with the NFL. Except for the different rules, it sounds quite reasonable.
Respect to the cfl and all but...they would get murdered by any nfl team, are you kidding. The talent difference is ridiculous and of course its the best coaching how can you even argue against that
@showman22000 Why is it necessary to always compare.The U.S. is a country with nearly 10 times the population and and a people more interested in being entertained than informed.Those of us that love the CFL could care less what people say.In a league where the sal. cap for each team is just under 5 mil. a season means we have no millionaire egomaniacs.The games are entertaining and very affordable.Years ago these guys took 3 pay cuts in 5 years.Not often done.Can't we all just get along.
no the team lost the eastern final that year but he didn't play great he was injured for a while but through 11 he totaled about 650 yards and 2 touchdowns
it just shows the games are different and few can succed in both
actually a lot of them are....and football is the 2nd sport in canada after hockey and this is in toronto where it is the 4th sport also usa has 10X more people to fill those seats
That's cause it's Toronto. It's a team really lacking any sense of direction lately (sadly). If you go to a lot of other CFL cities, it's pretty much always full.
yeah exactly the reason why its empty is because of the team performance. Just like the NFL and any other league, bad teams dont usually have packed arenas. And as with the good teams have good turnouts so yeah
@riderfanszmul and also i gotta respect the fact that ur reppin the CFL on youtube. I trained and met athletes from OUR LEAGUE!! Of course there are haters out there but good to see that theres fans out there doing the right thing and standing up for us! This our league!!
If he can dominate in the NFL and not in the CFL then you DO know where the problem is, NFL is a power game where strength and size get you yards, CFL is a speed game where with the open field you need to speed to succeed.
Ricky Williams sucks like hell , if you get an actual good player to go to the CFL they would Kill.And please stop saying who is better because they are so different. Us Americans like NFL and u Canadians like CFL. just shut up already and enjoy and respect each sport like mature humans.
Ricky WIlliams has set so many records and if was the best running back statistically in the NFL, so don't say he sucks. Haven't you noticed how bad this team blocks?
Yeah, everyone says that the Candadian football players are better because Ricky went there and didnt do nearly as good as he did in the NFL. But it's not his fault that his team couldnt block
Respect to Canadian football. I saw my first game this year, it was Montreal against Vancouver, and it was a goal line stand on the last play of the game, after the D had 2 offsides penalty called against them on the last play of the game, and stopped them 3 times from the one, with a yard between the 2 lines unlike the NFL who are helmet-helmet. The CFL is no joke, they are professional players. Most Americans wouldn't know CFL teams have beaten NFL teams in the past, so its not too superior...
Anyone who starts a sentence with "ummm" is an idiot. Thanks for proving facts right. Get laid, get friends, and get a life, if you're going on things you apparently don't respect, and then take the time to comment without really makeing a compelling argument. You said it kills Canadian, why? I like American more, but respect the CFL, why? Because it is a professional league, with professional players, thus talent. Different rules, different results, things you wouldn't see in American.
i do have a life ,and friends... i currently play QB in the US,and i lived in Canada,and played in high school there. Football in Canada is good ,but no where the level it's is in the US..football in America kills football in Canada because of the top seed Athletes we have ,and that is a fact , so don't tell me i know not thing about Canadian football .you don't know me ...and you're right i should have explain myself,before just making a comment, i'll admit that.
@CarolinaHurricanesAl yes back in the sixties. but know the NFL would dominant the CFl, im not trying to be ignorant, but im being honest, far more superior as of right know, even if they played with the CFL's rules.
Well, I am American and I'm about to teach you a history lesson. Between 1923 and 1961, the CFL played 9 EXHBITION games against American teams. 6 were NFL teams, 1 was an AFL team, 1 was an AAFC team, 1 was an Army Corp team. Of the 6 games against NFL teams, the CFL lost them ALL in BLOWOUTS. The CFL was also blown out by the 1 AAFC team, and blown out by the 1 Army team. The ONLY victory the CFL had against an American team then was over the 1961 *AFL* Bills.
I like watching both leagues but the CFL version of football is much more entertaining. No doubt the NFL is superior in skill and talent but a lot of their games are quite bland compared with the CFLs' (in general) And when i hear ignorant americans mock the CFL, they don't realize that they are mocking Joe Theisman,Marv Levy,Jim Zorn,Johnny Rodgers,Rocket Ismail,Doug Flutie,Vince Ferragamo,Bud Grant,Tom Cousineau,Fred Bilitnikof,Jeff Garcia, Warren Moon,Hugh Campbell,Mark Gastineau, all CFLers.
@gcdcjccc haha im an american and love the cfl! lol it sux that i cant actually watch much of it unless on youtube and a couple of games on the nfl network.
@gcdcjccc You can pretty much add 2 time defensive CFL MVP Cameron Wake to that list. The guy was amazing this year leading the league in sacks in the NFL
re: albanypjm-Nobody in Canada gives a shit if Americans pay attention to the CFL or not. We know we have an excellent game, it's a pass-happy league that any team can win on any given day-not a boring bottleneck ground game like the NFL can be. The Grey Cup is the oldest trophy in North American professional sports,still going strong with amazing athletes, so many in fact that Ricky Williams barely made a dent here, he was dominated by first-year CIS players on a daily basis.
u know I'd like to see Ricky Williams back on the Argos. He started off the season horribly but he got really good near the end. and the argos could really use some offensive power right now...
tis cfl-nfl debate is totally irrelevant in america. nobody, literally nobody, pays any attention to the cfl. how can you take a league seriously that is not on tv, plays in 4th rate stadiums, has only 8 teams and always has teams on the verge of bankruptcy? ncaa teams could whip cfl teams.
well no i doubt ur going to get CFL in the US. But in canada all games r on TV. Besides it's about the passion for a home team which I don't get in toronto from the NFL (and quite frankly hope I never ever get). NFL may have better althletes but it's not as good of a watch. I fell asleep at a dolphin vs jets game.
You assumptuous clown. Just because you don't see the games with your basic cable package, and this happens to be recorded with a camcorder or celphone, you jump to the conclusion that the CFL is not televised. Why must the stupidest of Americans be the most vocal?! Idiots like you are the reason we seem like a bunch of stupid assholes, rather than just a bunch of assholes. Can't even talk shit properly, figures you'd be from new york...
i was sitting jus to the left of you, around the 50? And ricky williams choked. He did better in the pre-season game in hamilton, go ti-cats argosss suuuuck
its so true, our league is older, has way more of a past, and i have never fallen asleep watching a cfl game as i do TRYING to watch overweight nfl players run 29 times in one half. no thanks. you got your league, we have ours , me and the rest of us real canadians are happy with that.
Hey, when he was at the top of his game, he won a heisman. He used to be great, and he wasn't a loser then. Now, yeah, he's pretty much went and fucked himself good. Then again, he's still young enough that he could get his tools back, eventually, and make a comeback.
The CFL is a much diff. game. Wider field, 12 men to a side, the rouge, the single point, man in motion to the line of scrimmage preceeding the play and 1-yd. "zone" bet. offense and defense at line of scrimmage. The differences are subtle but big enough to cause some problems in terms of adaptation. The players who play well in both leagues such as Warren Moon, Mervyn Fernandez and Doug Flutie (to name but a few) are deserving of our respect.
ricky williams is an animal... so he smoked a little pot let it go NFL there are worse things out there... like steroids maybe. ricky would start at runningback on any team if he were healthy and in shape
Yeah, man, obviously. Who ever heard of Doug Flutie succeeding in the NFL, right? Or Ricky Williams, either? Yeah, the CFL is full of pansy-asses alright... We were, after all, the ones who stopped hosting annual CFL/ NFL exhibition games RIGHT AFTER we won the third one, huh?
Canadian football is awesome. I love both it and the NFL (CFL maybe a bit more). I'm from england and I'm probably one of the only people in my school who likes the CFL.
Canadian football requires player to be faster and more agile than the NFl, where size and strength are very important. Different skills man.
ya, how about that, warren moon, doug flutie, joe theisman, all losers. i got news for you man, the games are completley different, the size of the field combined with only 3 downs creates the need for a completly diferent skill set than the NFL, look at how ricky did, a full 526 yards over 11 games! you are the type of person who gives americans their reputation for being ignorent and refusing to learn about other countries
I dont know why were bashing the CFL ...just to get a kick out of it....i mean...c'mon?..back in the day there was an AFL and an NFL and i seem to remember the weaker of the two making it into history in super bowl 3 for shutting everyone up. I'll say the CFL might not be full of the talent of the NFL...but the NFL are bounty hunters and the ones who make there mark in the CFL are true champions...
population ratio bud....check the average capacity of each CFL game in every city to the amount of teams, and the population of canada, then the populations of football fans, and u will see how game to population ratio is greater then it is in the states at an nfl game.... jus remember America is 10 times the size in population to Canada
Seriusly, you know all this ain't necessary. If you are true football fans you'd love any type of football. Don't badmouth something you don't understand cause' unlike you, bro, some people may aspire to play canadian ball.
I care about the CFL and so do many real Canadians. Go to the Grey Cup and you will meet some great people from all across the great country of Canada not assholes like you.
Love the Argos, and the Packers. The talent level is undoubtedly greater in the States, and I highly, highly doubt there is any player with 4.3 speed north of the border. There are some truly great football players up here though, some who would perform well in the NFL, Milt Stegall being the first to come to mind. I love both games and the CFL is the best part of my summer.
you dont no shit, you cant even compare the 2 together, they r diferent games entirley. example a saftey in the cfl has got to be faster then the ones in the nfl, runing with 4.3 speed because of the field size. the way each game is played and stratagized is copmpletley diferent. dont even try to compare them, you'll have better luck comparing basketball to golf
realy? who is the best defensive halfback in the NFL? oh ya you dont have one because THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT GAMES, and at least we dont have all star qb's getting busted for stupid s**t like dog fighting
and we dont have de's that return fumbles the wrong way, you see the problem is that most of us respect the nfl, but you americans seem to have a need to argue that everything you have is better than anyone elses anywhere, soon you will begin to call mls better than preimier league many of the all time nfl greats played in the cfl such as moon or theisman, we used black qb's when you refused, hell we even broke the colour barrier in general years before the nfl, or even the mlb for that matter
i never argued that the nfl is better. u cant say that shit, cuz canadians do the same thing. and i could care less for soccer or real football, cuz my sport right now is american football. i was only defending michael vick. regardless of what he did outside of the sport, he was amazing to watch.
jealous fucken canadians , ILL WAIT FOR THE DAY TILL WE FINALLY BLOW YOU GUYS RIGHT OFF THE FUCKEN MAPS , lol , we could always " you the extra space " , right?
listen teedothellwhore or what ever your fucken name is...THE CFL IS MADE UP OF MOSTLY AMERICAN PLAYERS YOU FUCKEN RETARD! some players that cant make it into the high talents and some areas of the NFL come to way easier panzy PATHETIC canada's copycated of the nfl , their " CFL "...how sad you mother*S still think you guys are so great over us americans. The world is amazed by us not you bitches.
why the hell does everything about canada and america turn into about what country has better military, hell this is football. i am canadian, and in the military and i must say we do have a great military history, and we are continueing it today, and the americans are the same way, we don't have the size that the yanks do, but remember we are all brothers in arms when it comes to wars, fighting side by side
and by saying that Canada didnt exsist in 1812 is like saying... india, south africa australia , jus about 1/2 the world didnt exsist cuz it was under british rule
The US was embarrassed by failure time and again, shamefully resorted to the terror tactics. American military's confusing its humanitarian-assistance role in Somalia. Reagan's poorly considered landing of Marines in Lebanon. of course, Iraq. American efforts there have done little but kill civilians and destroy the economy and now threaten to destroy the country itself.
Shut up and go away bad dream. We are talking about FOOTBALL you moron! Switch back to CNN and go do your whining and bitching somewhere else. Besides, conspiracy theories are for cowards, sissies, dipshits and weirdos. Learn a little history before you spout off about what you obviously have no first hand clue about.
Vietnam,despite the slaughter of millions, the US left in shame, abandoning desperate associates clinging to helicopter undercarriages. America's smaller-scale but long and vicious war on Cuba.
jus like in iraq,u go in u fight then say u won,but really the war had jus begun and u have been gettin ur asses kicked ever since,1 canadian solider is equal to 4 AMERICAN soilders.ur military is made up of technology which u hardly use,and money u r runnin out of
majority of soilders in 1812 were canadian militia,canada was a country under britsh rule,anywaysss canadians have never lost a war and have lost very few battles, at sea in the air or on the ground,we have a strong military history and did a lot of work for the freedom of the world ,unlike the americans who have lost wars but still call them victories
no one is saying Canadian football players r better or worse then Americans, we r comparing leagues not nationality...man u americans r dumb, yea you guys would like to take us off the maps, but then ur government cant afford it....ur already broooooke....and most of the world would come fight with us to defeat the americans, and the last time u americans thought u could take canada,....1812 hmmm hmm, u came,,, u saw u lost, u left and never came back, thanks for coming out
Our government couldn't afford it? Right buddy. If you haven't noticed, our national debt hasn't stopped up from starting wars with other countries. By the way, only France would w
lol the reason why the stadium is not full is also because the stadium is like huge and toronto has like atleast 3 other sports teams happening at the same time. meanwhile a city like winnipeg has nothing going on.
TINBITZPHAM 1 month ago
Because there is such a vast talent pool to draw from, the NFL generally doesn't give players a chance to warm up to the level of play. Drop a few passes in training camp and you're gone. Does that mean you are a garbage player? Definitely not.
Stefan Logan goes from the CFL's BC Lions to the Pittsburgh Steelers. In 2009, he broke the Steelers single-season record for return yards. In the beginning of the 2010 season they cut him? Was he crap? It's business above everything else.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
The chances you get in the NFL are usually commensurate to the importance of the position you play and the amount of money they're paying you. Stefan may not be crap at all but he also may have began to perform below the standard they set for him in 2010 leading to him being cut. Even Johnny Unitas got cut by the Steelers, so it's a guessing game as to what teams are thinking when they make a cut. Sometimes it's because a player's play drops, and sometimes it's just sheer stupidity.
AllPro777 3 months ago
@AllPro777 Debating with you has been fun. You have proven yourself to be a logical individual, and by far the most educated football fan I've debated with online. Cheers.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
I don't think it's a murky subject in the least. The fact is Ricky did very admirably while he played up here. Coming from a league where the level of competition is higher, he was expected to increase his stats (which he did) but he did so only by 17% and not the "leaps and bounds" that most expected. I am simply commenting to combat the notion that the CFL is a league who's players couldn't compete with American high school football talent (I have been told that believe it or not.)
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
But averages are a murky subject without taking the whole into account. To allude to a point I made earlier, averages are often contextual. We're looking at a system that was runningback-by-commitee. Historically, that system has been known to produce similar results (See the 80's Broncos) so it's not uncommon. I'm not saying Ricky was bad, I just expected better like you appear to have too. I don't think the CFL is high school level, but I think they'd have trouble winning the SEC.
AllPro777 3 months ago
@AllPro777 Well...as to your point about CFL not winning the SEC...that's purely your subjective opinion and obviously not based on any kind of factual evidence. Most of the players in the CFL played college ball on Division I FBS, and FCS teams.
Just look at the talent pool that both leagues have to draw from. There are 2640 starting players on FBS rosters alone. 1696 active roster (and 160 PR) spots available in the NFL. Where do the other 784 players go? Not to mention FCS, Div II, III
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
Well, lol, yes of course what I said is purely subjective, no different from if you said that the CFL would destroy an SEC team, it's all subjective unless they actually play it out on the field. I did however say that CFL teams would have trouble, I never said they wouldn't/couldn't win it.
As for the talent pool, I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe the NFL is missing 784 times in that situation. Very seldom are guys in the CFL just because they were missed on.
AllPro777 3 months ago
@AllPro777 Logically we can conclude that the NFL will be able to attract the "cream of the crop", hereinafter referred to as 100 pointers. Based on the size of the talent pool, I am arguing that the talent bell curve is gradual. By this I mean, assuming that every one of the 1856 players in the NFL are 100 pointers, we would have to logically conclude that the CFL has to choose from what remains...the 99 pointers, the 90 pointers and so on.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@AllPro777 With any bell curve, the bulk is somewhere in the middle of the talent scale, but logic and sheer numbers would dictate that the players that are available to the CFL are, despite not being 100 pointers, still very highly talented individuals. 80 to 90 percent of what the NFL chooses. We can't reasonably determine that after the 1696 have been chosen by the NFL that the talent level drops from 100 point players to 50 or 60. The 95, 90, 85 point players are all still available.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
Those are all great perspectives. When the CFL's salaries were higher than the NFL's, they were able to snag guys away from the NFL and the only thing kept more top guys from the CFL was that most American players wanted to stay in America regardless of what the CFL was paying (like Jim Brown who the Argos offered the biggest contract in pro football history at the time). The NFL today has been many times dominated by late-rounders, longshots, and unknowns... *continued next post*
AllPro777 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
*Cont.* ... so it's an indication the NFL's scouting has gotten better or at the very least they've taken great advantage of the technology available today. I think for the CFL to get back into the game, the league's success will have to explode even greater, salaries will have to rise, and there will have to be consistent expansion in untapped major Canadian markets... but I was saying that over a decade ago and it hasn't come. Yep this debate has been great, you know your stuff!
AllPro777 3 months ago
Ricky Williams sucked-ass in the CFL!
knockhardc 4 months ago
Bills To Play Colts At Rogers Centre
torontobills 1 year ago
LOL HE SUCKED!!!!!!!
Canada9990 1 year ago
@Canada9990 Anyone would suck with a slack offensive line. You could put emmitt smith behind a bad line and he wouldnt do shit
Potandthekettle 1 year ago
@Potandthekettle That logic doensn't hold water because if the NFL talent level is "WAY" above the CFL, the LB's and defensive backs in the CFL wouldn't have the strength or talent to stop a Pro-bowl player like Ricky. BTW...the difference in talent between both leagues is not as great as some people imagine.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
Keep kidding yourself. If this were 1980 even 1985, I'd say you were right because the talent was pretty even up until that time. But the CFL has been declining talent-wise ever since the NFL's salaries went through the roof. The best QB in the CFL wouldn't even be able to hang on to the end of a preseason NFL roster. And any RB can be stopped when the line he runs behind isn't great at run-blocking. I don't recall the Argos being a great running team then with great run blockers.
AllPro777 3 months ago
@AllPro777 On the 2006 Argos roster the other two running backs Jeff Johnson, and John Avery averaged 4.2, and 5.3 yards per carry respectively. This being done behind the exact same run blockers. Ricky averaged 4.8 yards per carry.
How could it be that the "highly inferior" CFL running backs could post comparable numbers to an NFL pro bowler on exactly the same team, under the exact same conditions?
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs
Murky subject. We both know that the CFL is not a running league so backs are carrying the ball with fewer opportunities and it's not uncommon to have high averages. You could carry the ball just a few times, only a rack a few yards and yet have a high average. Splitting time will also have an effect on how relevant the average is. If Williams was averaging 4.8 then he was right in the middle and doing well by your definition, but none of the Argos backs had a good season in 2006.
AllPro777 3 months ago
@brunoxrs Of course it holds water. It doesnt matter who the hell you have in the backfield. If your OLINE cant do shit against their DLINE, it doesnt matter whos in the backfield. The 2 lines are both in the CFL are they not? You have horrible logic and sense of reality buddy. LOL
Potandthekettle 3 months ago
@Potandthekettle First off dude...many people (maybe even you) believe it's men (NFL) against boys (CFL). If that is true (which I don't believe it is in the least) then Ricky or any all-star back would PLOW through the tiny, weak CFL d-line. Read my previous comments and you'll be able to follow my logic. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again just to you.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs A 230lb guy isnt going to "PLOW" through a line of 300 lb men that arent being blocked well. You sir, are a moron
Potandthekettle 2 months ago
@Potandthekettle Actually there are only a handful of 300+lb defensive players in the CFL. The average weight of D-line players is 270-280. The average Defensive End is 255, and the average Defensive Back is 190. So I am correct when I state that a 230 lbs NFL Elite running back has all the conditions necessary to PLOW through the CFL defenses. Unless of course (GASP) there actually is some talent on CFL rosters.
brunoxrs 2 months ago
@brunoxrs I dont give a shit if they're all 275. If the Oline cant block them then the running back has virtually no chance. This is not only football 101, but physics 101. Get a clue and stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Grow up
Potandthekettle 2 months ago
@Potandthekettle I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. The fact is...during the 2006 season, there were 3 backs that shared duties for the Argos. Jeff Johnson had 54 attempts for 227 yards (4.2y/att), John Avery 82 attempts for 432 yards (5.3y/att), and Ricky Williams 109 attempts for 526 yards (4.8y/att). Compare his performance to the other two running backs on THE SAME TEAM, with THE SAME O-LINE. His performance was admirable, but not miles above two CFL ham and eggers.
brunoxrs 2 months ago
@brunoxrs Who the FUCK cares? I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE PLAY AND YOU BUTTED IN ASSHOLE. What part of that do you NOT understand? And all of what you wrote is utterly stupid and pointless because Ricky still came back to the NFL and ran for over 1,000 yds and 10 tds with a good average and played at a high level among the top backs in the league. I dont give a fuck about that or your dumb ass pointless argument you're having with some other moron. GET A LIFE
Potandthekettle 2 months ago
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@brunoxrs And AGAIN: "this is ONE PLAY I'm talking about here in the video. And under your logic, ricky or any NFL player should never, ever lose yardage in the CFL. Which is fucking ridiculous " = your "logic" FAILS
Potandthekettle 2 months ago
@Potandthekettle What is horrible here, is your inability to understand the dozens of posts between me and AllPro777 (an actual knowledgeable football fan), and the logic that was presented. Do your reading first...comment second.
brunoxrs 3 months ago
@brunoxrs I dont give a fuck about your love affair with allpro777. I'm replying to your stupid comment which was a response to me responding to someone else. lol
Potandthekettle 2 months ago
@brunoxrs And BTW, this is ONE PLAY I'm talking about here in the video. And under your logic, ricky or any NFL player should never, ever lose yardage in the CFL. Which is fucking ridiculous
Potandthekettle 3 months ago
@Potandthekettle At no point did I ever make any assumptions based on a single play...You are one confused little man (or woman)
brunoxrs 2 months ago
@brunoxrs You were responding to my post about this video which IS one play. Are you on crack?
Potandthekettle 2 months ago
@Potandthekettle Regardless of what you say...I have always been referring to his performance in general in the CFL. Not one play. Educated people can't argue ONE PLAY. One play means nothing, which is why I have been talking about his entire season the whole time. I still have yet to understand what you are arguing. It seems I've been talking oranges, and you're talking apples.
brunoxrs 2 months ago
Much respect to the CFL. It's quite interesting. I think the CFL should merge with the NFL. Except for the different rules, it sounds quite reasonable.
RizingBlackSun 1 year ago
@RizingBlackSun hahahahahaha r u kiding me
paydrolopez 1 year ago
@paydrolopez Well no, I wasn't. The rules is the only thing really stopping them though.
RizingBlackSun 1 year ago
@RizingBlackSun that would be interesting but the nfl teams would dominate in every phrase
paydrolopez 1 year ago
RIcky Williams kicks ass. Keep smoking the Ganga, Joe Theisman, the FORMER Argo is an idiot.
TMW1990 1 year ago
Respect to the cfl and all but...they would get murdered by any nfl team, are you kidding. The talent difference is ridiculous and of course its the best coaching how can you even argue against that
showman22000 1 year ago
@showman22000 Why is it necessary to always compare.The U.S. is a country with nearly 10 times the population and and a people more interested in being entertained than informed.Those of us that love the CFL could care less what people say.In a league where the sal. cap for each team is just under 5 mil. a season means we have no millionaire egomaniacs.The games are entertaining and very affordable.Years ago these guys took 3 pay cuts in 5 years.Not often done.Can't we all just get along.
applehead255 1 year ago
did Ricky do good in the CFL?
zakakay 2 years ago
no he didn't do much at all
893160007 2 years ago
Really? wow did he play on a bad team?
zakakay 1 year ago
no the team lost the eastern final that year but he didn't play great he was injured for a while but through 11 he totaled about 650 yards and 2 touchdowns
it just shows the games are different and few can succed in both
893160007 1 year ago
@zakakay Ricky didn't do well in fact he did poor, but in his defense he had little time to learn the game.
stubs96 1 year ago
that's because it's Toronto
scotty2scoops 2 years ago
NFL
rsTHEKINGHHHrs 2 years ago
actually a lot of them are....and football is the 2nd sport in canada after hockey and this is in toronto where it is the 4th sport also usa has 10X more people to fill those seats
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
that was a pre-season game dumbass
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
That's cause it's Toronto. It's a team really lacking any sense of direction lately (sadly). If you go to a lot of other CFL cities, it's pretty much always full.
ReJ40 2 years ago 5
yeah exactly the reason why its empty is because of the team performance. Just like the NFL and any other league, bad teams dont usually have packed arenas. And as with the good teams have good turnouts so yeah
asfaddd 2 years ago
@asfaddd the reason its empty is because it was a preseason game
riderfanszmul 1 year ago
@riderfanszmul haha my bad thanks for the correction
asfaddd 1 year ago
@riderfanszmul and also i gotta respect the fact that ur reppin the CFL on youtube. I trained and met athletes from OUR LEAGUE!! Of course there are haters out there but good to see that theres fans out there doing the right thing and standing up for us! This our league!!
asfaddd 1 year ago
If he can dominate in the NFL and not in the CFL then you DO know where the problem is, NFL is a power game where strength and size get you yards, CFL is a speed game where with the open field you need to speed to succeed.
allstarslotback 2 years ago
@allstarslotback
The real issue is that Ricky hadn't played in a while, and on top of that his skills had diminished.
Secondly, the CFL is not a run-friendly league anyway.
This whole thing was a bust and nobody really benefitted from it.
AllPro777 2 years ago
hey tkodawg9, my dad can beat your dad. lol fuck tkodawg and fuck the nfl!
gcdcjccc 2 years ago 2
You are an idiot...
seewithmyears 2 years ago
you probably suck pretty good too, boy
cfl4evr 2 years ago
ok, then go watch nfl ball
88lostprophets88 2 years ago
Ricky Williams sucks like hell , if you get an actual good player to go to the CFL they would Kill.And please stop saying who is better because they are so different. Us Americans like NFL and u Canadians like CFL. just shut up already and enjoy and respect each sport like mature humans.
hawaiidabest 2 years ago
thank you. ! atleast someone isn't an asshole about CFL vs NFL
88lostprophets88 2 years ago 2
Ricky WIlliams has set so many records and if was the best running back statistically in the NFL, so don't say he sucks. Haven't you noticed how bad this team blocks?
SpicyDonuts 2 years ago
Yes, actually, now that you mention it...this team really just gave him no holes or even a gap to work with... it all starts at the O line BABY!!!
Damn, there's like no one at that game!!!
hawaiidabest 2 years ago
Yeah, everyone says that the Candadian football players are better because Ricky went there and didnt do nearly as good as he did in the NFL. But it's not his fault that his team couldnt block
SpicyDonuts 2 years ago
good excuse.
cflisthebest 2 years ago
It's righ in front of your face!!!
If he can dominate and the NFL and not in the CFL then you know there is a problem.,,
Not to mention if you watch game footage there are no holes for him to work with
SpicyDonuts 2 years ago
it's preseason
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
how many yards and TDs did he get
goviks37 2 years ago
whats the name the song in the Beginning?
NFLdude505 2 years ago
Ricky williams was an utter disappointment.
bishop102 2 years ago
Respect to Canadian football. I saw my first game this year, it was Montreal against Vancouver, and it was a goal line stand on the last play of the game, after the D had 2 offsides penalty called against them on the last play of the game, and stopped them 3 times from the one, with a yard between the 2 lines unlike the NFL who are helmet-helmet. The CFL is no joke, they are professional players. Most Americans wouldn't know CFL teams have beaten NFL teams in the past, so its not too superior...
CarolinaHurricanesAl 3 years ago 13
lol its BC not vancouver dumby
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
Technically, Vancouver is in B.C...dumby.
CarolinaHurricanesAl 2 years ago
Technically, the team is called B.C...dumby,
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
Acutally, they're called the Lions
CarolinaHurricanesAl 2 years ago
ya...the BC Lions!!!! Dumby!!!
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
You must be a Riders fan, cause your gay as hell..
iliketoplaygames 2 years ago
i just like correctness
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
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umm you're a idiot American footbal kills canadian football
NFLdude505 2 years ago
The CFL produces a much more exciting game.
Shorter play clock, 3 downs etc.
Faggotbitchfuck 2 years ago 2
Anyone who starts a sentence with "ummm" is an idiot. Thanks for proving facts right. Get laid, get friends, and get a life, if you're going on things you apparently don't respect, and then take the time to comment without really makeing a compelling argument. You said it kills Canadian, why? I like American more, but respect the CFL, why? Because it is a professional league, with professional players, thus talent. Different rules, different results, things you wouldn't see in American.
CarolinaHurricanesAl 2 years ago
i do have a life ,and friends... i currently play QB in the US,and i lived in Canada,and played in high school there. Football in Canada is good ,but no where the level it's is in the US..football in America kills football in Canada because of the top seed Athletes we have ,and that is a fact , so don't tell me i know not thing about Canadian football .you don't know me ...and you're right i should have explain myself,before just making a comment, i'll admit that.
NFLdude505 2 years ago
Football is Football man
88lostprophets88 2 years ago 4
@CarolinaHurricanesAl yes back in the sixties. but know the NFL would dominant the CFl, im not trying to be ignorant, but im being honest, far more superior as of right know, even if they played with the CFL's rules.
TheMagicBolt 1 year ago
@CarolinaHurricanesAl
Well, I am American and I'm about to teach you a history lesson. Between 1923 and 1961, the CFL played 9 EXHBITION games against American teams. 6 were NFL teams, 1 was an AFL team, 1 was an AAFC team, 1 was an Army Corp team. Of the 6 games against NFL teams, the CFL lost them ALL in BLOWOUTS. The CFL was also blown out by the 1 AAFC team, and blown out by the 1 Army team. The ONLY victory the CFL had against an American team then was over the 1961 *AFL* Bills.
AllPro777 3 months ago
Ricky williams only played for the cfl for that year cus he got kicked out of the big boy league.The NFL.Ricky williams was doing drugs
Recon23Jordan 3 years ago
whats the song LOL I FORGOT
supercrazyhyper 3 years ago
I like watching both leagues but the CFL version of football is much more entertaining. No doubt the NFL is superior in skill and talent but a lot of their games are quite bland compared with the CFLs' (in general) And when i hear ignorant americans mock the CFL, they don't realize that they are mocking Joe Theisman,Marv Levy,Jim Zorn,Johnny Rodgers,Rocket Ismail,Doug Flutie,Vince Ferragamo,Bud Grant,Tom Cousineau,Fred Bilitnikof,Jeff Garcia, Warren Moon,Hugh Campbell,Mark Gastineau, all CFLers.
gcdcjccc 3 years ago 17
@gcdcjccc haha im an american and love the cfl! lol it sux that i cant actually watch much of it unless on youtube and a couple of games on the nfl network.
thehunterat7 1 year ago 3
@gcdcjccc All those players in which you named were smart enough to leave for the NFL smh at u clown
vincentbradley2007 1 year ago
@gcdcjccc You can pretty much add 2 time defensive CFL MVP Cameron Wake to that list. The guy was amazing this year leading the league in sacks in the NFL
Potandthekettle 1 year ago
@gcdcjccc im a fan of both leagues too, but i hear what you're saying. the NFL can be so lop-sided in games sometimes its boring
SamPearce8 3 months ago
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the cfl is gay the NFL *AMERICA* #1 is the best
guinee1911 3 years ago
When does CFL's season begin and end?
NTW64 3 years ago
The CFL season begins in June and ends with the Grey Cup in late November
gcdcjccc 3 years ago 3
Pre-season starts in June, and the Grey Cup is played at the end of November.
punkandmetalman 3 years ago
re: albanypjm-Nobody in Canada gives a shit if Americans pay attention to the CFL or not. We know we have an excellent game, it's a pass-happy league that any team can win on any given day-not a boring bottleneck ground game like the NFL can be. The Grey Cup is the oldest trophy in North American professional sports,still going strong with amazing athletes, so many in fact that Ricky Williams barely made a dent here, he was dominated by first-year CIS players on a daily basis.
fropen 3 years ago 2
you're bang on fropen. Ricky Williams was a ZERO factor with the Toronto Argonauts
gcdcjccc 3 years ago 3
u know I'd like to see Ricky Williams back on the Argos. He started off the season horribly but he got really good near the end. and the argos could really use some offensive power right now...
zeldafreak71 3 years ago
tis cfl-nfl debate is totally irrelevant in america. nobody, literally nobody, pays any attention to the cfl. how can you take a league seriously that is not on tv, plays in 4th rate stadiums, has only 8 teams and always has teams on the verge of bankruptcy? ncaa teams could whip cfl teams.
albanypjm 3 years ago
well no i doubt ur going to get CFL in the US. But in canada all games r on TV. Besides it's about the passion for a home team which I don't get in toronto from the NFL (and quite frankly hope I never ever get). NFL may have better althletes but it's not as good of a watch. I fell asleep at a dolphin vs jets game.
zeldafreak71 3 years ago 2
You assumptuous clown. Just because you don't see the games with your basic cable package, and this happens to be recorded with a camcorder or celphone, you jump to the conclusion that the CFL is not televised. Why must the stupidest of Americans be the most vocal?! Idiots like you are the reason we seem like a bunch of stupid assholes, rather than just a bunch of assholes. Can't even talk shit properly, figures you'd be from new york...
atbestvague 3 years ago 2
That was beautiful man!
punkandmetalman 3 years ago
just about every single game in the CFL is televised and NO, ncaa teams would not whip CFL teams.............DICKHEAD
gcdcjccc 3 years ago 2
actually every game is televised
riderfanszmul 2 years ago
i was sitting jus to the left of you, around the 50? And ricky williams choked. He did better in the pre-season game in hamilton, go ti-cats argosss suuuuck
LeroyMcgruf 3 years ago
its so true, our league is older, has way more of a past, and i have never fallen asleep watching a cfl game as i do TRYING to watch overweight nfl players run 29 times in one half. no thanks. you got your league, we have ours , me and the rest of us real canadians are happy with that.
clearoy 3 years ago
Hey, when he was at the top of his game, he won a heisman. He used to be great, and he wasn't a loser then. Now, yeah, he's pretty much went and fucked himself good. Then again, he's still young enough that he could get his tools back, eventually, and make a comeback.
TheRiceman80 3 years ago
Argos suck!
KoNGZ49 3 years ago
wes cates is a fucking beast
topchedsnipe20 3 years ago
i love how people think that the cfl is a much rougher game than nfl jus cuz ricky couldnt do nothin in it
im not sayin cfl players are not good but settle yourselves down please
dopeboo 3 years ago
The CFL is a much diff. game. Wider field, 12 men to a side, the rouge, the single point, man in motion to the line of scrimmage preceeding the play and 1-yd. "zone" bet. offense and defense at line of scrimmage. The differences are subtle but big enough to cause some problems in terms of adaptation. The players who play well in both leagues such as Warren Moon, Mervyn Fernandez and Doug Flutie (to name but a few) are deserving of our respect.
shingaki777 3 years ago
your a joke...
iamnewfie1 3 years ago
ricky williams is an animal... so he smoked a little pot let it go NFL there are worse things out there... like steroids maybe. ricky would start at runningback on any team if he were healthy and in shape
hornsbram92 3 years ago
Rick Williams is terrible.
shawnmedguy 3 years ago
Yeah, man, obviously. Who ever heard of Doug Flutie succeeding in the NFL, right? Or Ricky Williams, either? Yeah, the CFL is full of pansy-asses alright... We were, after all, the ones who stopped hosting annual CFL/ NFL exhibition games RIGHT AFTER we won the third one, huh?
TheRiceman80 4 years ago
Or how bout Jeff Garcia too, who was just named to his fourth Pro Bowl this February.
sainters7 3 years ago
Yeah, who EVER heard of Jeff Garcia, right?
Yup, nobody of relevance EVER played for the CFL...
TheRiceman80 3 years ago
Warren Moon? thnx
KoNGZ49 3 years ago
I was being sarcastic.
TheRiceman80 3 years ago
let put in troy polamalu on cfl wide outs shut down
sirbrwn7 4 years ago
CFL and NFL are 2 different games. I was honoured as a toronto fan that williams had the balls to try the CFL.
Chains07 4 years ago
Rick Williams is a joke. What a waste of talent.
PokemonxMasta 4 years ago
Canadian football is awesome. I love both it and the NFL (CFL maybe a bit more). I'm from england and I'm probably one of the only people in my school who likes the CFL.
Canadian football requires player to be faster and more agile than the NFl, where size and strength are very important. Different skills man.
mrgiggles247 4 years ago
ya... except we created grid iron football, so that means you are copying us, and by the way, try watching a game some time
NajVoodoo 4 years ago
ya, how about that, warren moon, doug flutie, joe theisman, all losers. i got news for you man, the games are completley different, the size of the field combined with only 3 downs creates the need for a completly diferent skill set than the NFL, look at how ricky did, a full 526 yards over 11 games! you are the type of person who gives americans their reputation for being ignorent and refusing to learn about other countries
NajVoodoo 4 years ago
I dont know why were bashing the CFL ...just to get a kick out of it....i mean...c'mon?..back in the day there was an AFL and an NFL and i seem to remember the weaker of the two making it into history in super bowl 3 for shutting everyone up. I'll say the CFL might not be full of the talent of the NFL...but the NFL are bounty hunters and the ones who make there mark in the CFL are true champions...
Killstar98 4 years ago
population ratio bud....check the average capacity of each CFL game in every city to the amount of teams, and the population of canada, then the populations of football fans, and u will see how game to population ratio is greater then it is in the states at an nfl game.... jus remember America is 10 times the size in population to Canada
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
Seriusly, you know all this ain't necessary. If you are true football fans you'd love any type of football. Don't badmouth something you don't understand cause' unlike you, bro, some people may aspire to play canadian ball.
ReturnPro 4 years ago
I care about the CFL and so do many real Canadians. Go to the Grey Cup and you will meet some great people from all across the great country of Canada not assholes like you.
beatmastert 4 years ago
You know about sucking Louis. You have sucked miles of cock.
beatmastert 4 years ago
haha no way man not in football, just in overall rating of cities, number one criteria being how sick it is of course.
RishavR 4 years ago
omg look at that crowd!! holy crap
RishavR 4 years ago
Toronto is a sick city though top 5 in north America in my opinion
RishavR 4 years ago
You obviously know nothing about the great history of Canadian football.
beatmastert 4 years ago
Love the Argos, and the Packers. The talent level is undoubtedly greater in the States, and I highly, highly doubt there is any player with 4.3 speed north of the border. There are some truly great football players up here though, some who would perform well in the NFL, Milt Stegall being the first to come to mind. I love both games and the CFL is the best part of my summer.
ginkster88 4 years ago
jesse lumsden.
Quickwinklongsstare 4 years ago
the best team in the cfl would lose sick to the worst team in the nfl
13hason13 4 years ago
you dont no shit, you cant even compare the 2 together, they r diferent games entirley. example a saftey in the cfl has got to be faster then the ones in the nfl, runing with 4.3 speed because of the field size. the way each game is played and stratagized is copmpletley diferent. dont even try to compare them, you'll have better luck comparing basketball to golf
kurt9898 4 years ago 2
i agree 13hason13 and n the worst team would be the lions from detriot
KULAMULA 4 years ago
you cant compare
Ignacio43 4 years ago
Worse.
TheFireboltMan 4 years ago
realy? who is the best defensive halfback in the NFL? oh ya you dont have one because THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT GAMES, and at least we dont have all star qb's getting busted for stupid s**t like dog fighting
NajVoodoo 4 years ago
dude, nfl rejects go to play in the cfl
VannakN 4 years ago
wow, sounds like you know your ball. How about you give me some names here so i can say i agree with you??
pwnerer19 4 years ago
No, but you have a QB that throws the football at his nuts for his TD celebration. He QB is a criminal. Yours... well yours is just stupid.
RyvertDy 3 years ago
and we dont have de's that return fumbles the wrong way, you see the problem is that most of us respect the nfl, but you americans seem to have a need to argue that everything you have is better than anyone elses anywhere, soon you will begin to call mls better than preimier league many of the all time nfl greats played in the cfl such as moon or theisman, we used black qb's when you refused, hell we even broke the colour barrier in general years before the nfl, or even the mlb for that matter
NajVoodoo 3 years ago
i never argued that the nfl is better. u cant say that shit, cuz canadians do the same thing. and i could care less for soccer or real football, cuz my sport right now is american football. i was only defending michael vick. regardless of what he did outside of the sport, he was amazing to watch.
RyvertDy 3 years ago
jealous fucken canadians , ILL WAIT FOR THE DAY TILL WE FINALLY BLOW YOU GUYS RIGHT OFF THE FUCKEN MAPS , lol , we could always " you the extra space " , right?
harmona13 4 years ago
Use* , typo...cuz i was so pissed...
harmona13 4 years ago
listen teedothellwhore or what ever your fucken name is...THE CFL IS MADE UP OF MOSTLY AMERICAN PLAYERS YOU FUCKEN RETARD! some players that cant make it into the high talents and some areas of the NFL come to way easier panzy PATHETIC canada's copycated of the nfl , their " CFL "...how sad you mother*S still think you guys are so great over us americans. The world is amazed by us not you bitches.
harmona13 4 years ago
you relize of course that the CFL was around long before the NFL right?
NajVoodoo 4 years ago
he sucks
mcmoneyz 4 years ago
If he sucks why can he keep leaving the NFL and come back again and again and you cant even get there in the first place what a jackass you sound.
Hodgey1989 4 years ago
why the hell does everything about canada and america turn into about what country has better military, hell this is football. i am canadian, and in the military and i must say we do have a great military history, and we are continueing it today, and the americans are the same way, we don't have the size that the yanks do, but remember we are all brothers in arms when it comes to wars, fighting side by side
Fixxxerkw 4 years ago 4
my hat goes off to you
tomcat810 4 years ago
cept in 'nam. and iraq. and the canadians were in ww2 a good 2 years before the us got off its ass to go fight.
Pa1ntballGuitarist 4 years ago
whats that first song that you played
ddx27 4 years ago
or was it 3/4 of the world
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
and by saying that Canada didnt exsist in 1812 is like saying... india, south africa australia , jus about 1/2 the world didnt exsist cuz it was under british rule
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
The US was embarrassed by failure time and again, shamefully resorted to the terror tactics. American military's confusing its humanitarian-assistance role in Somalia. Reagan's poorly considered landing of Marines in Lebanon. of course, Iraq. American efforts there have done little but kill civilians and destroy the economy and now threaten to destroy the country itself.
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
Shut up and go away bad dream. We are talking about FOOTBALL you moron! Switch back to CNN and go do your whining and bitching somewhere else. Besides, conspiracy theories are for cowards, sissies, dipshits and weirdos. Learn a little history before you spout off about what you obviously have no first hand clue about.
yjjeepman 4 years ago
Vietnam,despite the slaughter of millions, the US left in shame, abandoning desperate associates clinging to helicopter undercarriages. America's smaller-scale but long and vicious war on Cuba.
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
jus like in iraq,u go in u fight then say u won,but really the war had jus begun and u have been gettin ur asses kicked ever since,1 canadian solider is equal to 4 AMERICAN soilders.ur military is made up of technology which u hardly use,and money u r runnin out of
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
majority of soilders in 1812 were canadian militia,canada was a country under britsh rule,anywaysss canadians have never lost a war and have lost very few battles, at sea in the air or on the ground,we have a strong military history and did a lot of work for the freedom of the world ,unlike the americans who have lost wars but still call them victories
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
no one is saying Canadian football players r better or worse then Americans, we r comparing leagues not nationality...man u americans r dumb, yea you guys would like to take us off the maps, but then ur government cant afford it....ur already broooooke....and most of the world would come fight with us to defeat the americans, and the last time u americans thought u could take canada,....1812 hmmm hmm, u came,,, u saw u lost, u left and never came back, thanks for coming out
TeeDotClothing 4 years ago
Our government couldn't afford it? Right buddy. If you haven't noticed, our national debt hasn't stopped up from starting wars with other countries. By the way, only France would w