If you want to pull in front of a Steel Ship and get clobbered you shouldn't winge! They are lucky they didn't get completely crushed.... If it wanted to not get hit, it could've avoided it being much smaller and more maneuverable vessel, but it had full power ahead to get in front of the S/S.... If you want to play 'Hard-Ball' don't cry foul afterwards...... Personally I think they're reckless and stupid.
When the SM2 rammed the Ady Gil it was not a defensive move, it was an attacking move. 100% Your premise is false, therefore any conclusions you draw from it are also false.
PS You were wrong about the poachers in the national park analogy too. Luckily you don't get to decide or we would be at war with Japan again. Your idea to try and provoke an already dangerous situation in a shooting war is downright evil.
AG crew was being an ass and cutting in front of the whaler. If they didn't want to get hit they shouldn't have done that. Also the film clearly shows the AG had a wake just before impact. It was deliberately blocking not sitting still.
@rosepetal108 Did you see the video, with your own eyes?! The tracking data may show two ships driving around here and there, but what's important is what happened in the very few seconds just before the impact, and that Something was the closest cause, or Proximate cause. As the Japanese ship was about to pass the Ady Gil Terror Boat shot forward toward the large ship, and they collided. The Ady Gil Helmsman's decision to apply forward thrust WAS the Proximate (closest) Cause of the crash.
@unserviam ===> "The Ady Gil Helmsman's decision to apply forward thrust WAS the Proximate (closest) Cause of the crash."
Not necessarily. In fact the math says they would have collided anyway, However, the math has enough scientific error that the SM2 just maybe by some miracle passed in front by inches. Unlikely but remotely possible. All the surge did was change the location on the AG it got hit and which part of the SM2 hit it.
@rosepetal108 We can see that the Terrorist Boat was not hit amidships, and was not hit near the stern, but was hit on the nose. The Ady Gil was hit on the nose because the Ady Gil surged forward several meters to place itself directly in the path of the Japanese ship.
You mind is willfully blind to what your eyes plainly see, because you cannot fathom the thought that the Japanese (who kill whales) are the victims in this. The Japanese are being Terrorized & put in fear for their lives at sea
@unserviam Not at all. I did the math. You haven't. If anyone is blind due to preconceive prejudices it is you. I actually don't like the SSCS any more than you do. Although I don't believe in killing them with guns and flamethrowers as you propose. I have gone on record many times against the tactics they use. But I am a marine engineer US Merchant Marine. (semi retired). That means I do know a bit about how ships handle and also how to do the math. Not to mention the basics of regulations.
@rosepetal108 Your semi-retired status indicates perhaps that you are aged, and with great age comes the creeping degeneration of ones faculties. I do not fault you so much now for not being able to see what the video plainly shows. One can only hope you will know more about this incident when YouTube enables the new technology of Braille-ovision.
As for people defending their lives, it is legitimate and lawful to do so in every place at all times! It is a natural law, and supersedes others.
You speak of regulations, but the Terrorists are not interested Regulations. The Terrorists are endangering the lives of Japanese people on those ships without legal fiat nor color of right to do so. They are Terrorists flying some semblance of the Pirate Flag, and Terrorizing, and assaulting, and ramming ships on the high seas.
While I generally condemn violence, I condone it in the case of self-defense, and encourage the Japanese to protect their lives by any and all means when out there.
@unserviam You made 2 personal attacks. "@rosepetal108 Grow Up!" and "with great age comes the creeping degeneration of ones faculties"
The first tactic of a failed untenable position is change to personal attacks and try to disparage the reputation of your opponent. Anyone following this debate can easily see through such underhanded tactics. Especially since your personal attacks are grasping at straws and mutually exclusive. I did the math, you didn't. Math doesn't lie.
@rosepetal108 Do not militarize my comments. I am not ramming my ship into yours on the high seas trying to kill you or anything, just trying to open your eyes to your willful blindness, and motivated credulity.
I recommend that the Terrorists use my example and turn to using words to dissuade, or convince the Japanese to cease hunting Whales, but alas they are barbarians, Terrorists, thugs, pirates and may yet be murderers if the Japanese do not stand up and defend their own lives at sea.
@unserviam ==>" I am not ramming my ship into yours on the high seas trying to kill you or anything"
No but the SM2 did that to the Ady Gil. And some of the other SSCS ships rammed the Japanese fleet in years past.
The whole lot of them, ...Japanese whalers and SSCS protectors are all acting like spoiled brat children looking for a fight... and you militaristic comments about escalating the conflict only add fuel to the fire.
Luckily what you promote is illegal by treaty so it can't happen.
@rosepetal108 tx for being on the fence my friend but it is useless to debate when the opposing party has got a locked mind set and is unable to do some logical reasoning. i as former sailor, as well as other seafaring people , have tried to explain why it is the Japanese ship who is doing the ramming, but there are still those nitwits who think they know best, based upon their analyzes of 2 seconds of video. thing is for now at least Japan has seized all whale hunting activities
@MrSNOWBLAST watch a video which i posted on my other channel " ANNUNAKIM " just copy and paste the following in to the YT search box and it should be the first video of the results btw i will also put a direct link at the end of this video so people only need to click on it to be redirected ; namaste
title to that video is Japan announces immediate whale hunting stop (Feb. 16th 2011)
@MrSNOWBLAST only way i can explain is, attempted murder, when there are "men overboard " on your starboard side and you start steering hard port to port. but of course there would be others who would say that that is an evasive action (like some did before in all the responses to this video) anyway tx again 4 supporting the facts in this video without letting irrelevant facts getting in the way (meaning whether actions of ss find approval or not) namaste
2) The initial maneuver to starboard followed by a hard port was an attempt to side swipe the AG and by perspective it would appear to the camera of the SM-2 that the AG ran right into them.
@MrSNOWBLAST You are right. It is the Japanese doing the ramming. That was my position. Once I saw the tracking data it confirmed it mathematically. I am also a mariner. All serious professional mariners with experience on ships can CLEARLY see what would be an optical illusion for a landlubber. That's why we don't trust landlubbers with ships. It takes a long time to learn to train the mind not to be fooled by perspective and optical illusions. Some people never quite get it.
@rosepetal108 right.!! i figured that 6.5 years working on the bridge of an ocean going vessel and taking part in the conducting of maneuvers would somewhat qualify me, as at least someone who's having the benefit of doubt, when it comes to reading a ship's behavior as she listens to her rudder. and unless the the law of physics have been changed,: a sudden tilt to port side means steering hard to starboard with matching speed. and what to think of the maneuver after the collision??!
@MrSNOWBLAST Correct! That list was a dead give-away.
As for your question about the maneuver after the collision?
I studied that for a long time. Due to rudder speed and handling delay, that maneuver had to have been started both before the collision and before the AG power surge forward.
There are 2 possible explanations. Personally I prefer the first.
1)The SM-2 over-corrected in the starboard turn to an accidental collision course and immediately corrected to port.
@rosepetal108 You say it is illegal to defend yourself which is nonsense? I have asked you earlier if you thought it was right for someone to defend their live, and you didn't answer, because I guess in your view it would all depend on who was doing the attacking. In this case it is the Terrorists Trying to Kill the Japanese, so I assume you would say that of course the Japanese should not be allowed to defend themselves. They would be breaking a law you may say, but I say they may indeed do so
@rosepetal108 Treaties notwithstanding, it is legal in all places at all times for a person to use whatever means as may be necessary to defend ones own life. The people who man the Terrorist ships owe the Japanese Vessels their very lives because the Japanese have as of yet only tried evasive maneuvers, and spraying water at the Terrorists, and warning them away by loudspeaker. The Japanese could have legally shot the Terrorists dead when they were Rammed by the large ship. I recommend selfdefe
Many things which 'cannot happen' do in fact happen. It is illegal for the Terrorists to Ram their ships into the ships of the Japanese who the Terrorists have gone to sea in hunt of, yet that thing which can't happen did and does happen, so let us not be all too amazed if the Japanese actually decide to value the lives of their crewmen, and defend themselves if violently attacked again at sea by these Pirate flagged Terrorists.
I prefer Flamethrowers to guns. Guns pollute the water with lead!
On the matter of defensive weapons. Do you agree with me that it would be kinder to the antarctic environment for the Japanese to employ gelled fuel Flamethrowers or good old fashioned lead slinging guns to defend themselves against any further Ramming from the Terrorist ships?
I am thinking that the Gelled Fuel will mostly adhere to the superstructure of the terrorist vessels as it burns the vessel and the attackers, whereas the lead-poisoning will persist in the water environment for years.
@stryker65 Yes, the Terrorist boat surged forward to place itself directly under the nose of the larger, less maneuverable vessel. The sole purpose of the Terrorists being there was to disrupt, impede and harass, so they themselves are responsible for their own misfortune. The video, shows the prop-wash as the ADY GIL sped forward into the Japanese ship.
The idiot terrorists hit the gas, and rammed the Japanese. Seeing is believing, notwithstanding any dubious, biased bought & paid for report.
The Terrorists wish to lie about the crash, but all you have to do is look at water to the rear of the small Black Ady terrorist boat, and you can see that the black boat slows, off to the right of the larger ship, and that the larger ship would have passes by safely, but the black boat engaged it's engines & moved quickly into the path of the large ship.
The Prop-Wash behind the small boat shows that IT (The Ady Gill) caused the collision, not the Japanese ship.
@rosepetal108 If that is the case, then the adjudicators must have been threatened by the Animal Planet Terrorists into making such an absurd ruling. Be so kind as to Post a link to the ruling from whatever authority you say issued it. Do not link to a self-serving statement claim from the Terrorists, or the from the Terrorist Funding Animal Planet, because Terrorists who attempt to murder people, and are inveterate liars.
The Ady Gill hit the gas & moved into the path of the Japanese vessel!
@unserviam The inquiry was more than fair and maybe even a bit biased in favor of the Japanese. (probably due to diplomatic pressure) Especially when you see the tracking data, there is no doubt the primary cause of the collision.
Source:
Maritime New Zealand
Investigation Report:
Ady Gil and Shonan Maru No.2
Collision on 6 January 2010
Appendix 4: Vessel tracks
Appendix 5: Vessel tracks showing speed over ground
@rosepetal108 Interesting. I read the executive summary, of this report and I note that this is not the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA). The real authority would have been the AMSA, but they decided that it was inconclusive and unable to assign blame for the collision. /wikipedia/en/wiki/MY_Ady_Gil
The executive summary of the report you linked to appears to have been bought & paid for by the Terrorists. We all saw the videos, & recognize Terrorism.
@rosepetal108 It seems as if the Sea Sheppard Terrorists had a sympathizer, or a co-conspirator, or someone willing to write whatever finding the Terrorists asked for. I note that the proximate cause of the collision was the fact that the Ady-Gil engaged engines and shot forward under the bow of the Japanese ship. The report concluded that the captain of the Ady-Gil just didn't see the Japanese ship approaching. Evidence for was just the Captain of Ady-Gil's word for it. Fucking Unbelievable!
@unserviam Was this the same organization which found the Ady-Gil (Formerly Earthrace) & Captain to not be responsible for the death of a fisherman when the boat collided with a Guatemalan fishing boat, killing one of the other boat's crew. in 2007 as it was rocketing across the ocean at breakneck speeds attempting to break a speed record? Was that the same people or another investigator who was open to making a favorable decision if paid enough money from these multimillionaires? Money talks!
@unserviam That is about as biased a thing as I ever heard. I don't even like the SSCS tactics myself and I would never say something that ridiculous. So tell me in your biased opinion. What excuse for the SM2 Captain changing course from miles away directly to a dangerous close quarters situation with the AG in the first place?
@rosepetal108 Everyone knows who was pursuing who here. The whole thing is captured on video. The Terrorists were engaging the fishermen. The Terrorists were running their attack craft in the path of the large less-maneuverable vessel, in an aggressive manner & had even assaulted the Japanese sailors by firing laser weapons into their eyes. A federal offense if fired at aircraft in the USA because it can permanently damages the vision. The Terrorists caused the confrontation & the collision.
@unserviam Actually all those vids concerning the AG harassing the SM2 were previous to this collision. Simple editing causes it to seem like they were still harassing the SM2. However the tracking shows that the AG had stopped harassing the SM2 pulled away to a safe distance NOT in their path and powered down to idle...all long before the SM2 changed course and ran down the AG.
@unserviam Oh I think I see why the report you listed seems as if it was written by Bethune, the Captain of the Ady Gil. I just saw that "Peter James "Pete" Bethune (born 4 April 1965) is a New Zealand promoter of bio-fuels and conservationist. The sham of a report which takes his word for it, that he just didn't even know there was a big ship around, & didn't see it was written by one of his buddies in his home of New Zealand. Shameful. I guess it helped Bethune collect the insurance money.
@rosepetal108 I have the report open on my desktop at this instant. Photos 16, 17, and 18 accompanied by their commentary show the Proximate cause of the crash to have been the fault of the Ady Gil crew. They accelerated forward into the path of the large ship in two spurts of forward propulsion according to the investigators assessment of the Propeller Wash. The Wash shows that the Ady reversed thrust only after it rammed the Japanese ship. He probably meant to reverse but shot forward instead.
@unserviam I once saw an old lady get into her car and signal to pull out into traffic from her parking spot, & when she hit the gas to go forward, the car shot backward & rammed into the car parked behind it. I guess the Terrorists piloting the Terrorist Ady Gil were either Old Ladies, or perhaps high on crack to not know the difference between reverse gear and forward.
The ship would have passed by their Port Bow, if the Ady-Gil had not surged forward into the Ships pathway. Damn Idiots!
@unserviam I wonder if the Engine controls of the Ady-Gil may have not been intuitive enough, or simple enough for the Terrorists to handle when they were involvend in their stressful Pirating attack activities.
I can see it now. Ady-Gil Capn-"Hey guys I think we should back up a little more to make sure it has enough room to get by us"-Pulls control back, thinking Back means reverse, only to shoot forward & right under the path of the ship.
@rosepetal108 Yes exactly. The report shows that the Ady-Gil helmsman did in fact accelerate forward, and the investigator is not sure if the collision would have occurred had he not done so. He couldn't say it would or would not have occurred if the Ady-Gil helmsman had not surged ahead, but the fact is that HE DID SURGE AHEAD, and there is no dis-confirming evidence that this single action didn't cause the collision.
That Ady Gil action was the Proximate or closest cause of the collision!
@unserviam The Gil moved forward several meters as the Japanese vessel approached, & as we can see from the vids, and photos, the Gil was only impacted on the nose. If it had remained stationary it would have not been hit, but like a suicidal pedestrian stepping into the path of an oncoming transport truck on the freeway, it moved directly into the danger area & was whacked. They shouldn't led little old blind ladies pilot terrorist boats like that. Hitting the gas instead of the brakes, Funny!
@unserviam "If it had remained stationary it would have not been hit," Says who? Have you done the math? There is a reason that page 22 104 says inconclusive. That is because it can't be proven due to perspective and scientific error. However, if you do the math you will see that it more likely than not would have hit anyway. Either way the helmsman for the Ady Gil was not faulted.
@rosepetal108 I am going to assume that you do not like it that Whales are being killed by the Japanese, and I agree with you on that. I like whales, and think the world, and the human psyche would be the poorer for it if they were hunted to extinction, however you should not let your sympathy for the plight of the whales cloud your judgment of these facts.
Do not rubber-stamp the assaultive actions of the Terrorists who may yet kill people out there just because you are compassionate.
@unserviam "I am going to assume that you do not like it that Whales are being killed by the Japanese"
Like it? No I don't like it. However I do accept Japans right to use the ocean to help feed itself, and that does include whaling. As long as they respect regulations and conservation measures like the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
"however you should not let your sympathy for the plight of the whales cloud your judgment of these facts."
@rosepetal108 I cannot look the other way when a group of protesters turn from protesting to acts of terrorism which endanger human life. You too have seen the sea Sheppard Terrorists ram their huge ships into the smaller Japanese ships in an attempt to sink those ships on the high seas, and in my estimation that is attempted murder.
I think the Japanese have a right to defend their lives at sea, and should use weapons to repel such attacks. Terrorism & then lying about it is not the answer.
@unserviam I have seen the SSCS "ram" the Japanese fleets. Not to sink them though. They are almost always shuffling for position to prevent the factory ship from loading whales. They throw Butyric acid stink bombs to contaminate the meat. Cut the bow trailing prop fouling lines. They harass the Japanese anyway they can. And yes it is dangerous. The whalers have a right to be angry.
That is no excuse for purposely running down the Ady Gil. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@rosepetal108 Ramming ships on the high seas, with large ships is attempted murder in my books. When ships are rammed, the hull can implode under such pressures killing people below decks and sinking the ship. When you say "the Japanese have a right to be angry" over this, do you mean they have a right to defend their lives if they are under assault and feel their lives are in danger?
Perhaps they have children and want to live, so do they have the right to self defense? I think so!
@rosepetal108 Well the helmsman himself shot forward in the jet boat to place the Ady Gil under the nose of the Japanese Ship in the last few moments before the collision, so place the blame where it rightly belongs.
The Ady Gil was a highly maneuverable, extremely fast vessel which was running circles around the large cumbersome Japanese ship, and had parked itself up ahead, and waited for the Japanese ship to get near, and then the Helmsman surged forward directly under the oncoming ship.
@unserviam First of all they very likely would have been hit anyway. Second of all that boat was not maneuverable under 12 Knots..that's why he hit the throttle to gain normal steerage to get away
Thirdly the SM2 was caught doing the same exact BS bad seamanship that you are angry at the SSCS for doing.
I think they are all wrong for playing games with peoples lives. But that Japanese Captain is every bit as wrong.
@rosepetal108 Do you think that in the future, the Japanese should just use firearms to repel attacks? I have been recommending that they use weapons to defend their lives if they are attacked, or rammed at sea, but they seem oddly negligent concerning the physical safety of their crewmen.
Since the Terrorists use large, and small attack vessels, I recommend a range of weapons systems. Small arms to keep them at bay, and flame throwers to incinerate the pirates if they ram the Japanese ships.
@unserviam I am not in favor of whaling, but I am more in favor of whaling, than I am of renegade Terrorist groups intentionally trying to murder Seamen on the High Seas. If I were on one of those Japanese ships, I would consider it my right to defend my life by any means necessary to stop the attack, and we have all seen that Hailing, Water Spraying, Evasive Maneuvers to run away from the attackers, all fail to deter the attacks, so a Weaponized defense seems necessary for protection.
@unserviam The ATS prevents any military action in the antarctic. However military action by either side is bullocks anyway. It is grown men acting like children on both sides.
The only reasonable solution is to grant Japan a reasonable moderate sustainable commercial quota on non endangered whales. But in exchange for that the Japanese remove their formal objection to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
Then this wasted money and effort from both sides can be spent on real conservation
@rosepetal108 I think I am beginning to warn to you rosepetal. I like peaceful solutions, however I would hope that the Japanese could stop hunting any Whales at all.
Pending the solution you propose, and in the meantime the Japanese will return to hunt whales this year, and the Terrorists may yet again try to attack and kill the Japanese sailors, so notwithstanding any ban on defending oneself, natural law takes precedent, and people can rightly defend their lives with guns & flamethrowers.
@rosepetal108 Well as you may or may not know, the Natural Law of Self Defense is applicable in all places at all times, and Supersedes as a defense any other man-made law, so I am going to caution the Terrorists that they should not rely on any man-made, laws, prohibitions, codicils or treaties to protect their Terroristic murderous activities. I will myself defend any Captain in any court who feels the need to defend his crew from being killed by terrorist attack by ramming and the like.
@unserviam Except that the SSCS use what is considered non lethal harassment.. In most cases the danger is to themselves more than the Japanese. In fact it was the Japanese captain in this ramming that came the closest to killing someone with his dangerous maneuvers.
I am not sure why you are stuck on making the SM2 captain blameless. I am a mariner and I can attest that while we all hate the SSCS punks, this particular incident is nearly 100% opinion that the SM2 was mainly to blame.
@rosepetal108 The Terrorists can euphemistically term ramming their large steel ships into smaller Japanese vessels on the high seas any thing they like, but that does no alter the fact that they are ramming ships, and endangering the lives of their Japanese victims. The victims have a right under natural law to shoot at those Terrorists or repel them in any manner if those terrorists use the weapon ship Bob Barker or others for Raming.
You are welcome to your 100% opinion, but you are wrong!
@unserviam The only large ship that damaged a smaller vessel (with the possible exception of scratched paint and superficial damages) was the SM2 against the AG. Yet you want the Japanese to start killing the sea shepherds?
I don't like the SSCS either, but killing them, because of a formal dispute on a conservation area? That is ridiculous and immoral.
If a poacher was hunting deer in Yellowstone National Park and angry hikers fought to stop the poacher, wouldn't you have a different opinion?
@rosepetal108 You diminish the attempted murder by the Terrorists by calling it a "formal dispute".
I have seen videos wherein a very large pirate flagged Terrorist ship was being filmed on the bridge as it was pursuing and attempting to attack and then Ramming into the side of a Japanese vessel upon the high seas.
This is assault and battery with foreseeable intent to cause grievous bodily harm and or death! I think the Japanese had a right to shoot the Terrorists Dead! I would have!
@rosepetal108 If the "Angry Hikers" "Fought" to stop the poacher, then it would all depend on how they fought. If they "fought" their way through the trees to high ground where they could get a signal and called the park authorities, or if they merely had disputatious words with the suspected poacher then there would be no need for the hunter to defend his life, however if they "Fought" by attacking the hunter with a machete or gun, then the hunter could shoot the attacker dead in self defense.
@unserviam I just realized you are Canadian. So lets change it. How would you feel about poachers killing Buffalo in Riding Mountain National Park?
If someone wanted to try and stop the poachers would you advocate the poachers arm themselves with rockets and flamethrowers because of the natural law of self defense???
@rosepetal108 If there are poachers, then by all means alert the Authorities, but one may not attempt to kill the suspected poachers by ramming your vehicle into theirs on the edge of a winding mountain road for instance, where you might drive them over the cliff to their death, or in the case of a ship on the high sea, where you might cause the other ship to sink and take many lives to their watery death.
If someone tries to kill you for hunting an animal, then defend yourself, by any means!!
@rosepetal108 I am in favor of people protesting in lawful ways to have the Whaling stopped, but if they unlawfully attempt to kill the Japanese Whalers as the Terrorists have done, then I am very in favor of the Whalers defending their lives by any and every means necessary. Hailing, water-cannon, evasive maneuvers, all fail, so spraying the deck and the pilothouse of the ramming vessel with fuel & burning the Terror boats may be effective if the Terrorists/Pirates persist in the attack.
Let me suggest a very effective way for protesters to stop the Whaling which will not result in anyone dying who does not want to die.
Self-immolation! If anyone of the Terrorists are so all fired up about saving lives, then all it will take is for one or more of them to sacrifice their life on the steps of the Japanese embassy with News Cameras rolling. You would not be murdering anyone, and since you own your own life & body, you may do with it what you will! It would be a noble thing to do!
@rosepetal108 There are people who eat kill and eat Puppies, Cats, Chickens, Lamb, Whales, Horses, Doves, Alligator, Snake and any number of other animals, and there are people who would prefer they did not do that. One may ask the purported offender to cease and desist, or one may call the authorities, or one may picket, or boycott, or speak out in the media, or take out advertisements, or curse, or cry, or self-immolate but one may not attempt to Terrorize & kill the people. It is very illegal
@unserviam Continued: In fact this incident is almost a classic example of a text book case of what NOT to do as a captain. Working boat professional captains have to deal with idiots on the water all the time. It could be jet ski's jumping your wake for fun, sail boaters who think they always have right of way no matter what, or pleasure boaters with no clue at all or even protesters like this..
Yet as a professional you must keep your cool anyway. There is NO EXCUSE for what the SM2 did.
@rosepetal108 Given that the Helmsman chose to hurtle his Ady Gil Terrorist attack craft several boat lengths forward, and directly into the path of the oncoming less maneuverable Ship, instead of just letting the ship pass unobstructed, or instead of placing his Ady Gil attack craft into reverse. then no EXCUSE is even necessary, because the proximate cause of the crash was due to the ADY GIL helmsman's own decision and deliberate action of moving his boat forward to cause the impact.
@unserviam "deliberate action of moving his boat forward to cause the impact."
You know that is a lie. I know you know because you saw the report and we discussed it. So now I am wondering exactly what your agenda is? What possible emotional response is so strong that even completely unbiased tracking data and the pure science of mathematics go out the window for you?
@rosepetal108 I am not biased at all. I am being neutral! I honestly do not like the killing of Whales, nor do I like the killing or attempted of humans. I observe that the Japanese are killing whales, and that the Terrorist group says this is illegal.
I recommend that the Terrorists report what they believe to be illegal activity to the authorities, and have any lawbreakers arrested for their misdeeds if they are breaking any laws. The Terrorists are not a law enforcement agency, just thugs!
@rosepetal108 I too have seen the videos of the Pirate Flagged Terrorists ramming their large ships into the sides of Japanese ship on the high seas, and I am at a loss as to why the Japanese do not spray the decks of the attacking ship with gasoline & set it alight, instead of just spraying it with water from the hoses.
Is there any good reason for these Japanese who are under attack by Terrorists who are trying to sink their ship & drown people to not shoot & kill their attackers? I would!!
@rosepetal108 We know that the Ady Gil helmsman applied forward thrust in two bursts to get closer to the oncoming path of the Japanese ship as it was making way through the water. The Ady Gil was engaged in disruptive terrorist behavior and was there for that very purpose, so the closest action/event to the collision was undoubtedly the decision of the ady gil helmsman to place the nose of the Ady Gil directly into the path of the Japanese Vessel when it was approaching. Terrorist Fail!!
It doesn't matter what the ship is doing the less maneuverable ship always has the right of way in the ocean. So the Ady Gil is at fault because it is the more maneuverable craft.
I am appalled that some Television Production Company is monetizing Terrorism like this. The Animal Planet are sponsoring Terrorism by paying the Sea Sheppard Terrorists for dramatic, assaultive attack footage. Animal planet is in effect paying to have the lives of the Japanese sailors put in danger by these Terrorists who attempt to sink fishing ships at sea. Animal Planet are also Terrorists because they fund and glorify Terrorists with the television program. Japan should sue all of em.
I have seen other videos showing the paul watson terrorists aggressively, and assaultively ramming their pirate-ships into Japanese vessels. Japanese must not understanding that they have a right under Natural Law, to take all necessary means to defend themselves when under attack, and that they could legally use firearms to kill their attackers, or board the vessel, arrest the terrorists & take them off their ship & burn or sink the attacking ship which is being used as a weapon. Self defense!
I like whales as much as the next guy, and if the whalers are acting illegally them by all means lodge a complaint with the authorities, but I cannot condone vigilante justice whereby armed groups take to the high seas making attempts on peoples lives by ramming ships. It is attempted murder, and I am quite serious when I say that if it was me under attack like this at sea, I would gun down every person in sight on the attacking ship. All head-shots, and I would burn the terrorist ship. Justice!
o give me a break these guys harass and fuck with the japanese ships for the past few years acting as pirates and terrorists... their whole boarding and blaming them of hostage...? seriously these anti-whalers need to all be rammed complete bunch of idiots. I would have rammed a stealth ship that parks itself in front of my moving ship also its just ridiculous.
MrSNOWBLAST, i agree 100% these whalers r evil, from wot i understand those whaler ships r very maneuverable, so i think they could have moved, easy to see from their view that they almost going straight for the ady gil, like seems he turns a bit more to crash into em. neway awsome vid, lets save the whales from dying these horrid deaths for human gratification and money, wot hap to old days where they used their hands and normal harpoons? they raping the ocean nowadays! sux! anyway peace 2 u!
@psycopink It may be the case that Whales are being hunted & killed, but these Terrorists are doing worse by illegally endangering the lives of Human Beings at sea. If the terrorists have a legal case against the Whalers let them make it in a civilized fashion in a court of law. They must not , and cannot take the laws into their own terroristic hands and illegally endanger human lives at sea. The Japanese victims of the attack could have legally killed the terrorists in self defense!
@unserviam last ) and about those terrorist in the eighties, those were only a handful of our parent's generation , who also boarded ships, and who chained themselves to whatever they felt the need to chaining to. Who sailed small dingy's and weren't afraid to die in action for their cause. Those were the terrorists who's ship got blown up by secret services, also just for obstructing, the dump of oil and nuclear waste in the seas, atom bomb testing, and whale hunt., thank you: Greenpeace!
@MrSNOWBLAST If people want to protest anything then they must do so without threatening and endangering the lives of others such as the terrorists did when recklessly endangering the lives of sailors by attacking their ships at sea. You may think, and the terrorists may agree that the life of a whale is more important than the life of the whalers, but I am sure the Whalers would disagree. They are terrorists in need of imprisonment & their weapons (ships) need to be seized, impounded or sank.
@unserviam ok but so its ok for whales to die but no humans? every sea shep person will risk their lives for their cause, and u gota agree that in these days tis bout money and power if u have those 2 then u will win any court case even if u r wrong so wot choice do we have, just let them kill whales and do nothing? i dont tink sea sheps r terrorists, thats a awful usage of the word terrorist, i mean they r not using rocket launchers on the whalers. also the ady was DEAD in the water, ->
@psycopink Terrorism does not require "Rocket Launchers"! The Sea Terrorists in the small boat were behaving in a threatening, assaultive, and aggressive manner, and attempting to disable the larger ship in the water, and also firing laser weapons into the eyes of the Sailors which is Assault & Battery! The black Terrorist boat furthermore attempted to provoke conflict, and was not stopped in the water, but actually applied thrust to move forward into the path of the larger ship. See prop-wash!
@unserviam -> so how were they endangering the whalers? that wasnt self defense in my opinion. i dont agree with all the tactics used by sheps, ive a few ideas that would work and wouldnt even involve going near the whalers. they r lying bout research tho, no1 needs so many whales DEAD for research, why do the lie if they r doin no wrong? tink tis clear that this is very hard topic to agree on, as i said dont agree with all tactics of the sheps, but ->
@psycopink I did not say that killing whales was a good, or right thing to do, but if it is illegal to do so, then by all means call the authorities, and have them arrested, but some group of Terrorists cannot take the laws into their own hands and take vigilante action and or terrorist actions to ram their terrorist ships into other ships on the high seas, nor launch projectiles at the ships, nor fire lasers into the eyes of the sailors aboard those ships. These are assaults/ attempted murder.
@psycopink By all means protesters could lobby governments, advertize, have a sit-in at the Japanese embassy, write letters, call police or even self-immolate themselves if they wish to sacrifice their life and draw attention to their cause, but they must not attempt to murder people by ramming their ships on the high seas.
If your neighbor kills dandelion weeds on his lawn, and you don't like it, by all means ask her to stop, or call the police, but do not chase her down the street with a gun
@unserviam i recently went on the stveve erwin, and am 100% sure thy r not murders, i dont tink their first choice would b violence, but wot do they have to do to get these whale murders to take notice and realise, sea shep REACTS to wot the whalers do, so ina sense the whalers dictate the outcome,, lets not get confused bout who the murders r, sea shep has no intention to murder the whalers, but whalers dont mind using grenadeS, ETC, gota look at the bigger pic here mate.. neway peace out! :)
@psycopink to change the course of history, it takes heroes and those heroes are usually called murderers or terrorists in their times. someone willing to die for his cause isn't per definition a murderer. obstruction isn't the same as attacking and in order to make a change there have to be so called "extremists" . they still be dumping nuclear waist in the the sea if it hadn't been for those green peace "terrorists" in the eighties. complaining to corporate paid governments won't do JS
@unserviam -> botton line is they r killin whales ina A|WFUL way and killin way to many, they dont even kno if they r killin a pregnant female or a 1 yr old,, how can that be good for an endangered species? neway i dont want a heated debate im happy to agree to disagree. and i will agree that both sides could handle their actions differently. peace and light to u friend! :)
@psycopink As strongly as you feel about the whales, there are people who feel just as strong about preventing people from killing cattle, horses, seals, deer, geese, dogs, cats & any other animal which people use for food. Everyone can choose for themselves or complain to the authorities if they want to stop the killing, but they may not attempt to murder whoever it is that hunts a deer, kills a goose or catches a fish. That is unlawful assault or attempted murder just like the Sea Terrorists.
It is clear the the smaller Black boat was acting in an assaultive and terroristic manner towards the larger boat. It fired laser weapons into the eyes of the Japanese sailors which is an illegal assault and battery. I think the Japanese exercised restraint by verbal warning, water hose warding off and evasive maneuvers, but the terrorist boat would not stop their assault & placed themselves directly under the nose of the Japanese vessel intending to cause a collision. The Terrorists erred!
@raintree93 Well if the Japanese are in Breach of the Laws, then please report them to the appropriate authorities, but if the Sea Sheppard Terrorists attempt to take the law into our own hands, without color of law in an assaultive, terroristic, life endangering, confrontational manner on the high seas then of course they leave themselves wide-open and ripe to be shot dead by anyone who feels threatened by the terrorists. I think the Japanese are more than passive! I would not be so passive!
@unserviam you know what? instead of making nonsense comments, I would be very grateful if you could spend just a couple of minutes on finding out about "how passive" those Japanese you are defending, really are. my video wasn't allowed on YT so pls watch on disclose (dot) tv and search "Japan lies to IWC " or search on 1 of the movie-sites for "the cove". In the 80-ies green peace were also considered terrorist but if it wasn't for them, we'd all be glowing green by now after a swim sea
@MrSNOWBLAST I have no idea what you are even raving about when you bang-on about "glowing green by now after a swim sea" , but when you say I am making nonsense comments about these terrorists, and how I, if I were being attacked by them like this at sea I would defend myself and my crew by any and all means, all I can say to you is Pirates, and Terrorists Beware, because I would not be so passive as those Japanese fishermen who were being attacked. Self defense is lawful everywhere!
@unserviam 1) i really can understand your point of view, that's not the issue, however , ones point of view is always dependent on ones knowledge of facts, right? (and for most people that usually means "what was fed by local media, i'm sure we can agree on that too) and the facts in this actually, aren't all that black and white. I don't support violence ,let's be clear on that and i do think that the shepherds cross the line every now and then but that is not a stand alone fact
@MrSNOWBLAST 2) there have been hostilities from both sides which ended up in what happened here. The Japanese have attempted multiple assassinations on Paul incl shooting with live ammo when they are only throwing with bottles filled with harmless stinky stuff. they have collided just as well in to the shepherds as the shepherds in to them. they have made use of high tech weaponry to blast an observing helicopter out of the air etc etc, now that is completely different from boarding a
@MrSNOWBLAST 3) boarding a ship, which maybe to your surprise is not an illegal thing to do in international waters, under specific conditions. piracy is illegal yes ,but unarmed boarding without the intention of taking over the ship, simply doesn't qualify as piracy. what's more, it is illegal to take such a boarding party hostage, according to the international legislation . and by all means , obstruction is not illegal, i am sorry (not really sorry). what is illegal is not making way
@MrSNOWBLAST 4) making way for a vessel which is not under steam, the Ady Gil clearly wasn't under power until it was to late to get out of the way. and it wouldn't have been to late if the whaler hadn't intentionally steered in to her with the soul intention of ramming. and i can tell you by reading the ships motion, that they did, and not just that, i can also tell you that they didn't try a last evasive maneuver to steer clear but that that maneuver was made to cause maximum dammage
@MrSNOWBLAST 5) damage and most likely was an effort to try and cut the crew up by the massive ship's propellers. and don't just take my word for it ,but please go do some research to see whether i'm B.S-ing you or not by what i am saying. but even still , that's just what legislation is or is not and it tells nothing of the how why and what exactly is the game that's being played. what are the stakes and who's benefiting from looking away and twisting facts and figures
@MrSNOWBLAST 6) there are big commercial interests of Western countries , sorry read Western individuals ,in Japan and the whales are being used as ransom. You can read it on the whalers. RESEARCH, not alone is killing 1000 to 2000 individuals of highly endangered species of animals per year anything but research to preserve the species but the result of that research is presented in pre-canned portion sized packs straight off the ship some of it sold for big bucks to just a handfull
@MrSNOWBLAST 7) handful of Japanese people only and the rest? well that is being fed to children as school meals , who, if given the choice rather even wouldn't eat it. Not sure how or what exactly but there was also something to do with the grants the fleet gets from the government, which runs in the millions just to keep the fleet barely afloat, so japan wanted to have double the quota so they could make more money out of selling in order to keep the research going, but since when
@MrSNOWBLAST 8) since when does research have to be commercially viable? and the bulk of the meat t now, is already unsellable and dumped in school children's cafeteria's. So their culture? the need for the commodities? or what? if given the chance they would have finished long ago what they're still trying to accomplish ,that is, for your grandchildren to be able to ask you "please, tell me once more what it was like when there were still whales around, did they really sing?
@MrSNOWBLAST 9)"what are you going to tell them when they then ask, "what did you do grandpa/ma when there was still a change, did you also stand up and try to save an animal who can't speak for it selves? i bet you did gran, didn't you?" are you then also speaking up in favor of the whalers and are you going to tell, no I stood aside and looked the other way and I even condemned those few who were willing to die in order to save just 1 individual momentarily. would you?
@MrSNOWBLAST Everyone except the most credulous understands that paul watson faked being shot in his protective vest. I saw the video, and the physics, and the mechanics of it just are not consistent with what happens when you are 'really' shot by a bullet in a protective vest. Watson is an inveterate liar, a terrorist, and a danger to all who ply their trade on the seas of the planet. He should be banned as a menace from being upon the seas under penalty of imprisonment. He is a criminal!
@MrSNOWBLAST The terrorists are nut operating the authority of law when they attack the ships at sea, so in my opinion, whenever they attack and ram their boats into the boats of others upon the high seas, the victims of those attacks are within their natural rights to board the terrorist ship with firearms and arrest everyone aboard before they hurt someone or themselves through their reckless terroristic endangerment. The vessels they use as weapons should be immediately burned out & sunk.
@unserviam and you can trust me, you don't have the knowledge to make conclusions on what is rightful or not. There is no police nor coastguard nor navy or even any authority at all in international waters. Australia has done it's best by keeping the fleet out of specific allocated breeding grounds in the arctic seas where fishing is of limit , since the whalers couldn't care less about those zones. The ramming resulted in a lawsuit in New Zealand and Japan suspended the hunt till further notice
@MrSNOWBLAST So you say "There is no police nor coastguard nor navy or even any authority at all in international waters." So according to you, the Japanese Victims of these Terrorist attacks from the Terrorist wing of The Animal Planet TV Show could defend themselves if they wanted to by whatever means they deemed necessary. They could shoot the Terrorists dead if the terrorists ram them. Accorting to you they could set the Terrorist Ships ablaze & sink them once they repelled the assault.
fuck you, unprovocative attack? why the fuck they are in front of a big vessel? the ocean is so big, and you happen to be in front? or the big whale boat was trasing a small speedboat and ram it? LOL, what a joke, people, use your brain for once.
LMFAO!!! They probably shouldn't have been towing a net to wrap up the props. And I suppose those greasy stinky hippies left all the debris and their derilect fishing nets roaming about the ocean...hippocrites, douchebags...let em try and board my vessel.
@redneckryno13 "Greasy stinky" often goes hand in hand with 'redneck'- so I'd be a little more thoughtful in future. If possible. Glad to see the rednecks care nothing for the law, though. Telling.
The boat That got hit, the guy sold everything he owned to make that boat! They both made mistakes, the whalers and the sea shepards. I watch this show
Ady Gil overtook on the port side, cut across the bow at 1.06 in the video, and then turned into the path of the Japanese vessel. Clearly at fault by failing to keep clear after overtaking. What the hell did they expect and what hypocrites to attempt to shift the blame to the vessel they were harassing.
@MrSNOWBLAST are You so fucking dumb that You belive this is the whalers fault? First of all the Ady Gil was crossing and playing around the whalers, and pleasure crafts has to make way for merchant vessels. And seems to my that the whalers tried to warn the Ady Gil continusly by using water guns to avoid her to come closer. The Ady Gil was there to provoce a dangeruos situation, they were there to make problems, are you so fucking dumb you think they were only sightseeing?
@MrSNOWBLAST are You so fucking dumb that You belive this is the whalers fault? First of all the Ady Gil was crossing and playing around the whalers, and pleasure crafts has to make way for merchant vessels. And seems to my that the whalers tried to warn the Ady Gil continusly by using water guns to avoid her to come closer. The Ady Gil was there to provoce a dangeruos situation, they were there to make problems, are you so fucking dumb you think they were only sightseeing?
@SeabornRanger nice name brainiac. i have sailed all oceans and a couple of seas during the 6.5 years when i worked on the bridge of a vessel. and i rather trust on my own capabilities and knowledge then on your logic and interpretation of facts. and your intelligence speaks in the language you use and the assumptions. were they there to create problems? of course they were, never said they weren't .can a car intentionally steer in to someone who is obstructing a parkinglot? of course not
I've always hated the Japanese lack of regard for animals and the environment. But I think I hate these stupid activists more. I hope all of you get your ultimate desire and end up martyrs for your cause.
so did they overtake then stop for refueling? who was going to refuel it and cant the hippies fight for a real cause other than the minke whale of which theres plenty?
@washingmashipe The whalers are taking endangered Fin and Humpback whales and were planning to take Sperm Whales as well. All those whales are listed as protected species under CITES which has jurisdiction and more power over the IWC. Even if the whaers research were legit. The whalers "research" would still be breaking the Antarctic Treaty regarding research expeditions, and would also be breaking the Madrid Protocols regarding safety and enviornmental damage assesments.
International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea clearly state that the Shonan Maru #2 was at fault.
Section II for vessels in sight of one another
13. Overtaking
Notwithstanding anything in part B, sections 1 and 2 an overtaking vessel MUST KEEP WELL CLEAR OF THE VESSEL BEING OVERTAKEN.
Shonan Maru #2 was clearly the vessel building speed and was clearly overtaking the Ady Gil, which at the time was waiting to be refueled by the other SSCS ship. The Shonan Maru is the offener
@MrSNOWBLAST Well I'm a big fan of the SSCS, but I knew that you cannot avoid bias opinions in the news (especially the media in Japan). I decided to look up a few laws that pertained to this particular inccident and decided to use the view points from all the ships and it's clear that the Shonan Maru was the one that sped towards the Andy Gil theres no question about it. Even if the Ady Gil was moving it wasn't moving at full speed, infact it was only going 2 or 3 knots at the most
@rcc1111 The Ady Gil also kept a steady position (straight) if the Shonan Maru hadn't turned towards it there would have been no collision especialy since the Ady Gil was actually awaiting to be refueled by the Steve Irwin
@MrSNOWBLAST - I notice how you conveniently left out the footage that clearly shows the Ady Gil accelerate to get in front of the Shonan Maru #2 as the larger vessel was passing. If Ady Gil had stayed put, there would have been no collision.
@computersmith64 you know J/S. first of all , I have worked on the bridge of a ship for a period of 6.5 years so forget about pretending . secondly, i have not left anything out but am showing the complete broadcasts of the news show as they were shown when this occurred and last but not least, watch a video before making troll comments because this supposedly "accelerating" is shown, and it's the Japanese footage. 3 strikes your out ,, dumbasz!!
@MrSNOWBLAST - took me a while to work out what "J/S" is... so I guess I do. Sorry about missing the part that I was referring to - I guess that your video is so boring & repetitive that I couldn't be bothered watching it all the way through. Why did you put accelerating in quotes? Is it because you think I spelled it wrong, or is it because you don't believe what is clearly shown in other peoples videos (jury is still out on whether it's in yours or not because I can't be bothered watching...
...the whole thing - as mentioned earlier). You worked on the bridge of a ship for 6.5 years - big deal! It might make you an expert (in your mind), but it doesn't change the fact that the nimrod at the helm of the Ady Gil clearly opened the throttles & propelled his vessel into the path of the approaching ship. Or maybe he was actually trying to reverse - which just makes him incompetent instead of dangerously negligent. Btw - if you can't handle a bit of criticism, don't post videos, dumbasz!
@computersmith64 qualified enough to know how a ship reacts to steering and it is clear that the whaler intentionally steered towards a ship which wasn't under power a.t.t. in the water. is there footage all over the internet showing the ady gill with whitewash just before the ramming? yes there is. (same footage as is shown here b.t.w) and without taking all what preceded in account it looks like they steered into the whaler but they didn't. it was an emergency evasive maneuver as
@MrSNOWBLAST they tried to get out of the way. and i challenge you to come up with footage which shows the ady gill ramming the whaler. you can't because there is no footage which shows the ady gill under was under speed and steering into the whaler and by that i mean lets say the last 10 or 15 seconds before impact . all they show is 1 or 2 seconds before collision and that's all .. just watch the footage from the bob baker there's all the proof
@Sighfin When the SSCS "rams" ships, it is much more of a bump and designed to irritate, annoy, and intimidate rather than cause damage/injuries. Yes, they have sunk ships, but they were scuttled in port/harbor with no one aboard.
@ORNonprophet So when Paul Watson attached metal spears to the side of his boat before ramming, those are not intended to penetrate the other ship's hull?
Also, as long as there are no fatalities, it is acceptable for anyone, including the Japanese, to "ram" other boats? just to annoy them of course.'
You say they use ramming as a means of intimidation? Doesn't that make them terrorists? Using violence or the threat of violence to intimidate others into changing their actions?
@Sighfin I was under the impression that the spikes were to prevent being boarded, i.e. defensive not offensive. Don't get me wrong, as a captain myself, I don't condone violence at sea--it's a dangerous "game" and eventually someone will get seriously hurt or killed. There's a long history of people taking things into their own hands when govts can't/won't do anything (Boston Tea Party, etc). I think whaling in a whale sanctuary is wrong, and I'm glad at least somebody is trying to stop it.
@ORNonprophet I don't understand how a three foot spike out the front side of your ship can be used defensively. Also, who would be boarding the Sea Shepherds ship? If anything the whalers just want to be left alone. I've seen governments board the Sea Shepherd's ships in the past. Are those spikes intended to intimidate governments officials against legally boarding their ship?
@Sighfin Ummm those are anti-boarding spikes... a lot of ships including the whaling ships use them... but they are used to deter crew from large ships from coming close so they can board.
@ORNonprophet You say you condone violence, but what do the Sea Shepherds do other than violence? Their primary attack is throwing bottles of acid. Its only been luck that they have not killed anyone with a bottle to the head or been blinded
If someone were outside my house throwing bottles at me, I would definitely not consider it passive.
Wouldn't the millions that the Sea Shepherds are dumping into terrorizing the workers aboard these ships be better spent on a legal or political campaign?
@Sighfin Butyric acid is rancid butter that is harmless. I know people get all bent out of shape about the word "acid," but really, would you freak out of someone threw citric acid (i.e. orange juice) on you? So me a single study where it shows burns caused by rancid butter.
@ORNonprophet That is stupid. Butter contains 3-4% Butyric Acid. And when it rots, it releases that acid. But it's retarded to say that it IS rancid butter.
The Sea Shepherds throw Commercial Grade (not Food Grade) 100% Butyric Acid. What country do you live in? The US and EU both list Butyric Acid as a hazardous material for causing burns and blindness. Its also combustible, but thats a bit different.
Will you let me throw Commercial Grade Butyric Acid on you? I'll fly you here to video it.
@Sighfin Lots of items on the hazmat list are common, everyday substances that have the POTENTIAL to cause harm--that's why they're on the list. Butyric acid has a PH of only 4.85 making it less acidic than beer--are you afraid to spill beer on your hand? Funny how at Bethune's trial the so-called injured SM crew weren't available and no photos of their "injuries."
Some other common (dangerous!) substances on the MSDS list: Phosphoric Acid (ie.e Coca Cola), Citric Acid (Orange Juice), etc.
Fools!, when you run a course convergent with a much larger vessel that is under way ( right of way) this is what you get. Guess you are going to have to get some more donations to fix your toy boat.
I hate this japans ships they killing whale and then they sell meet of wheal in japan for 35$ us dolars!!The capitan must pay!!He destroy Ady gil!!
fuck3r15 1 month ago
If you want to pull in front of a Steel Ship and get clobbered you shouldn't winge! They are lucky they didn't get completely crushed.... If it wanted to not get hit, it could've avoided it being much smaller and more maneuverable vessel, but it had full power ahead to get in front of the S/S.... If you want to play 'Hard-Ball' don't cry foul afterwards...... Personally I think they're reckless and stupid.
makiwa 1 month ago
When the SM2 rammed the Ady Gil it was not a defensive move, it was an attacking move. 100% Your premise is false, therefore any conclusions you draw from it are also false.
PS You were wrong about the poachers in the national park analogy too. Luckily you don't get to decide or we would be at war with Japan again. Your idea to try and provoke an already dangerous situation in a shooting war is downright evil.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
AG crew was being an ass and cutting in front of the whaler. If they didn't want to get hit they shouldn't have done that. Also the film clearly shows the AG had a wake just before impact. It was deliberately blocking not sitting still.
stryker65 6 months ago
@stryker65 Did you ever see the tracking Data?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Did you see the video, with your own eyes?! The tracking data may show two ships driving around here and there, but what's important is what happened in the very few seconds just before the impact, and that Something was the closest cause, or Proximate cause. As the Japanese ship was about to pass the Ady Gil Terror Boat shot forward toward the large ship, and they collided. The Ady Gil Helmsman's decision to apply forward thrust WAS the Proximate (closest) Cause of the crash.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam ===> "The Ady Gil Helmsman's decision to apply forward thrust WAS the Proximate (closest) Cause of the crash."
Not necessarily. In fact the math says they would have collided anyway, However, the math has enough scientific error that the SM2 just maybe by some miracle passed in front by inches. Unlikely but remotely possible. All the surge did was change the location on the AG it got hit and which part of the SM2 hit it.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 We can see that the Terrorist Boat was not hit amidships, and was not hit near the stern, but was hit on the nose. The Ady Gil was hit on the nose because the Ady Gil surged forward several meters to place itself directly in the path of the Japanese ship.
You mind is willfully blind to what your eyes plainly see, because you cannot fathom the thought that the Japanese (who kill whales) are the victims in this. The Japanese are being Terrorized & put in fear for their lives at sea
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Not at all. I did the math. You haven't. If anyone is blind due to preconceive prejudices it is you. I actually don't like the SSCS any more than you do. Although I don't believe in killing them with guns and flamethrowers as you propose. I have gone on record many times against the tactics they use. But I am a marine engineer US Merchant Marine. (semi retired). That means I do know a bit about how ships handle and also how to do the math. Not to mention the basics of regulations.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Your semi-retired status indicates perhaps that you are aged, and with great age comes the creeping degeneration of ones faculties. I do not fault you so much now for not being able to see what the video plainly shows. One can only hope you will know more about this incident when YouTube enables the new technology of Braille-ovision.
As for people defending their lives, it is legitimate and lawful to do so in every place at all times! It is a natural law, and supersedes others.
unserviam 6 months ago
You speak of regulations, but the Terrorists are not interested Regulations. The Terrorists are endangering the lives of Japanese people on those ships without legal fiat nor color of right to do so. They are Terrorists flying some semblance of the Pirate Flag, and Terrorizing, and assaulting, and ramming ships on the high seas.
While I generally condemn violence, I condone it in the case of self-defense, and encourage the Japanese to protect their lives by any and all means when out there.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam You made 2 personal attacks. "@rosepetal108 Grow Up!" and "with great age comes the creeping degeneration of ones faculties"
The first tactic of a failed untenable position is change to personal attacks and try to disparage the reputation of your opponent. Anyone following this debate can easily see through such underhanded tactics. Especially since your personal attacks are grasping at straws and mutually exclusive. I did the math, you didn't. Math doesn't lie.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Do not militarize my comments. I am not ramming my ship into yours on the high seas trying to kill you or anything, just trying to open your eyes to your willful blindness, and motivated credulity.
I recommend that the Terrorists use my example and turn to using words to dissuade, or convince the Japanese to cease hunting Whales, but alas they are barbarians, Terrorists, thugs, pirates and may yet be murderers if the Japanese do not stand up and defend their own lives at sea.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam ==>" I am not ramming my ship into yours on the high seas trying to kill you or anything"
No but the SM2 did that to the Ady Gil. And some of the other SSCS ships rammed the Japanese fleet in years past.
The whole lot of them, ...Japanese whalers and SSCS protectors are all acting like spoiled brat children looking for a fight... and you militaristic comments about escalating the conflict only add fuel to the fire.
Luckily what you promote is illegal by treaty so it can't happen.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 tx for being on the fence my friend but it is useless to debate when the opposing party has got a locked mind set and is unable to do some logical reasoning. i as former sailor, as well as other seafaring people , have tried to explain why it is the Japanese ship who is doing the ramming, but there are still those nitwits who think they know best, based upon their analyzes of 2 seconds of video. thing is for now at least Japan has seized all whale hunting activities
MrSNOWBLAST 6 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST watch a video which i posted on my other channel " ANNUNAKIM " just copy and paste the following in to the YT search box and it should be the first video of the results btw i will also put a direct link at the end of this video so people only need to click on it to be redirected ; namaste
title to that video is Japan announces immediate whale hunting stop (Feb. 16th 2011)
MrSNOWBLAST 6 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST only way i can explain is, attempted murder, when there are "men overboard " on your starboard side and you start steering hard port to port. but of course there would be others who would say that that is an evasive action (like some did before in all the responses to this video) anyway tx again 4 supporting the facts in this video without letting irrelevant facts getting in the way (meaning whether actions of ss find approval or not) namaste
MrSNOWBLAST 6 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST That is similar to explanation 2.
2) The initial maneuver to starboard followed by a hard port was an attempt to side swipe the AG and by perspective it would appear to the camera of the SM-2 that the AG ran right into them.
This is because of stern swing.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST You are right. It is the Japanese doing the ramming. That was my position. Once I saw the tracking data it confirmed it mathematically. I am also a mariner. All serious professional mariners with experience on ships can CLEARLY see what would be an optical illusion for a landlubber. That's why we don't trust landlubbers with ships. It takes a long time to learn to train the mind not to be fooled by perspective and optical illusions. Some people never quite get it.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 right.!! i figured that 6.5 years working on the bridge of an ocean going vessel and taking part in the conducting of maneuvers would somewhat qualify me, as at least someone who's having the benefit of doubt, when it comes to reading a ship's behavior as she listens to her rudder. and unless the the law of physics have been changed,: a sudden tilt to port side means steering hard to starboard with matching speed. and what to think of the maneuver after the collision??!
MrSNOWBLAST 6 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST Correct! That list was a dead give-away.
As for your question about the maneuver after the collision?
I studied that for a long time. Due to rudder speed and handling delay, that maneuver had to have been started both before the collision and before the AG power surge forward.
There are 2 possible explanations. Personally I prefer the first.
1)The SM-2 over-corrected in the starboard turn to an accidental collision course and immediately corrected to port.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 You say it is illegal to defend yourself which is nonsense? I have asked you earlier if you thought it was right for someone to defend their live, and you didn't answer, because I guess in your view it would all depend on who was doing the attacking. In this case it is the Terrorists Trying to Kill the Japanese, so I assume you would say that of course the Japanese should not be allowed to defend themselves. They would be breaking a law you may say, but I say they may indeed do so
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Treaties notwithstanding, it is legal in all places at all times for a person to use whatever means as may be necessary to defend ones own life. The people who man the Terrorist ships owe the Japanese Vessels their very lives because the Japanese have as of yet only tried evasive maneuvers, and spraying water at the Terrorists, and warning them away by loudspeaker. The Japanese could have legally shot the Terrorists dead when they were Rammed by the large ship. I recommend selfdefe
unserviam 6 months ago
Many things which 'cannot happen' do in fact happen. It is illegal for the Terrorists to Ram their ships into the ships of the Japanese who the Terrorists have gone to sea in hunt of, yet that thing which can't happen did and does happen, so let us not be all too amazed if the Japanese actually decide to value the lives of their crewmen, and defend themselves if violently attacked again at sea by these Pirate flagged Terrorists.
I prefer Flamethrowers to guns. Guns pollute the water with lead!
unserviam 6 months ago
On the matter of defensive weapons. Do you agree with me that it would be kinder to the antarctic environment for the Japanese to employ gelled fuel Flamethrowers or good old fashioned lead slinging guns to defend themselves against any further Ramming from the Terrorist ships?
I am thinking that the Gelled Fuel will mostly adhere to the superstructure of the terrorist vessels as it burns the vessel and the attackers, whereas the lead-poisoning will persist in the water environment for years.
unserviam 6 months ago
@stryker65 Yes, the Terrorist boat surged forward to place itself directly under the nose of the larger, less maneuverable vessel. The sole purpose of the Terrorists being there was to disrupt, impede and harass, so they themselves are responsible for their own misfortune. The video, shows the prop-wash as the ADY GIL sped forward into the Japanese ship.
The idiot terrorists hit the gas, and rammed the Japanese. Seeing is believing, notwithstanding any dubious, biased bought & paid for report.
unserviam 6 months ago
The Terrorists wish to lie about the crash, but all you have to do is look at water to the rear of the small Black Ady terrorist boat, and you can see that the black boat slows, off to the right of the larger ship, and that the larger ship would have passes by safely, but the black boat engaged it's engines & moved quickly into the path of the large ship.
The Prop-Wash behind the small boat shows that IT (The Ady Gill) caused the collision, not the Japanese ship.
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam Total BS
The Shonan Maru turned into them and was found responsible for the close quarters.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 If that is the case, then the adjudicators must have been threatened by the Animal Planet Terrorists into making such an absurd ruling. Be so kind as to Post a link to the ruling from whatever authority you say issued it. Do not link to a self-serving statement claim from the Terrorists, or the from the Terrorist Funding Animal Planet, because Terrorists who attempt to murder people, and are inveterate liars.
The Ady Gill hit the gas & moved into the path of the Japanese vessel!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam The inquiry was more than fair and maybe even a bit biased in favor of the Japanese. (probably due to diplomatic pressure) Especially when you see the tracking data, there is no doubt the primary cause of the collision.
Source:
Maritime New Zealand
Investigation Report:
Ady Gil and Shonan Maru No.2
Collision on 6 January 2010
Appendix 4: Vessel tracks
Appendix 5: Vessel tracks showing speed over ground
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Interesting. I read the executive summary, of this report and I note that this is not the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA). The real authority would have been the AMSA, but they decided that it was inconclusive and unable to assign blame for the collision. /wikipedia/en/wiki/MY_Ady_Gil
The executive summary of the report you linked to appears to have been bought & paid for by the Terrorists. We all saw the videos, & recognize Terrorism.
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 It seems as if the Sea Sheppard Terrorists had a sympathizer, or a co-conspirator, or someone willing to write whatever finding the Terrorists asked for. I note that the proximate cause of the collision was the fact that the Ady-Gil engaged engines and shot forward under the bow of the Japanese ship. The report concluded that the captain of the Ady-Gil just didn't see the Japanese ship approaching. Evidence for was just the Captain of Ady-Gil's word for it. Fucking Unbelievable!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Was this the same organization which found the Ady-Gil (Formerly Earthrace) & Captain to not be responsible for the death of a fisherman when the boat collided with a Guatemalan fishing boat, killing one of the other boat's crew. in 2007 as it was rocketing across the ocean at breakneck speeds attempting to break a speed record? Was that the same people or another investigator who was open to making a favorable decision if paid enough money from these multimillionaires? Money talks!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam That is about as biased a thing as I ever heard. I don't even like the SSCS tactics myself and I would never say something that ridiculous. So tell me in your biased opinion. What excuse for the SM2 Captain changing course from miles away directly to a dangerous close quarters situation with the AG in the first place?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Everyone knows who was pursuing who here. The whole thing is captured on video. The Terrorists were engaging the fishermen. The Terrorists were running their attack craft in the path of the large less-maneuverable vessel, in an aggressive manner & had even assaulted the Japanese sailors by firing laser weapons into their eyes. A federal offense if fired at aircraft in the USA because it can permanently damages the vision. The Terrorists caused the confrontation & the collision.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Actually all those vids concerning the AG harassing the SM2 were previous to this collision. Simple editing causes it to seem like they were still harassing the SM2. However the tracking shows that the AG had stopped harassing the SM2 pulled away to a safe distance NOT in their path and powered down to idle...all long before the SM2 changed course and ran down the AG.
For payback?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@unserviam Oh I think I see why the report you listed seems as if it was written by Bethune, the Captain of the Ady Gil. I just saw that "Peter James "Pete" Bethune (born 4 April 1965) is a New Zealand promoter of bio-fuels and conservationist. The sham of a report which takes his word for it, that he just didn't even know there was a big ship around, & didn't see it was written by one of his buddies in his home of New Zealand. Shameful. I guess it helped Bethune collect the insurance money.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Complete BS. Obvious you haven't even found and read the report.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I have the report open on my desktop at this instant. Photos 16, 17, and 18 accompanied by their commentary show the Proximate cause of the crash to have been the fault of the Ady Gil crew. They accelerated forward into the path of the large ship in two spurts of forward propulsion according to the investigators assessment of the Propeller Wash. The Wash shows that the Ady reversed thrust only after it rammed the Japanese ship. He probably meant to reverse but shot forward instead.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam I once saw an old lady get into her car and signal to pull out into traffic from her parking spot, & when she hit the gas to go forward, the car shot backward & rammed into the car parked behind it. I guess the Terrorists piloting the Terrorist Ady Gil were either Old Ladies, or perhaps high on crack to not know the difference between reverse gear and forward.
The ship would have passed by their Port Bow, if the Ady-Gil had not surged forward into the Ships pathway. Damn Idiots!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam I wonder if the Engine controls of the Ady-Gil may have not been intuitive enough, or simple enough for the Terrorists to handle when they were involvend in their stressful Pirating attack activities.
I can see it now. Ady-Gil Capn-"Hey guys I think we should back up a little more to make sure it has enough room to get by us"-Pulls control back, thinking Back means reverse, only to shoot forward & right under the path of the ship.
Capn-"Oops, I hope I can buy a favorable report!"
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Read page 22 103.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Yes exactly. The report shows that the Ady-Gil helmsman did in fact accelerate forward, and the investigator is not sure if the collision would have occurred had he not done so. He couldn't say it would or would not have occurred if the Ady-Gil helmsman had not surged ahead, but the fact is that HE DID SURGE AHEAD, and there is no dis-confirming evidence that this single action didn't cause the collision.
That Ady Gil action was the Proximate or closest cause of the collision!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam The Gil moved forward several meters as the Japanese vessel approached, & as we can see from the vids, and photos, the Gil was only impacted on the nose. If it had remained stationary it would have not been hit, but like a suicidal pedestrian stepping into the path of an oncoming transport truck on the freeway, it moved directly into the danger area & was whacked. They shouldn't led little old blind ladies pilot terrorist boats like that. Hitting the gas instead of the brakes, Funny!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam "If it had remained stationary it would have not been hit," Says who? Have you done the math? There is a reason that page 22 104 says inconclusive. That is because it can't be proven due to perspective and scientific error. However, if you do the math you will see that it more likely than not would have hit anyway. Either way the helmsman for the Ady Gil was not faulted.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I am going to assume that you do not like it that Whales are being killed by the Japanese, and I agree with you on that. I like whales, and think the world, and the human psyche would be the poorer for it if they were hunted to extinction, however you should not let your sympathy for the plight of the whales cloud your judgment of these facts.
Do not rubber-stamp the assaultive actions of the Terrorists who may yet kill people out there just because you are compassionate.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam "I am going to assume that you do not like it that Whales are being killed by the Japanese"
Like it? No I don't like it. However I do accept Japans right to use the ocean to help feed itself, and that does include whaling. As long as they respect regulations and conservation measures like the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
"however you should not let your sympathy for the plight of the whales cloud your judgment of these facts."
Don't let your hatred of SSCS cloud yours.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I cannot look the other way when a group of protesters turn from protesting to acts of terrorism which endanger human life. You too have seen the sea Sheppard Terrorists ram their huge ships into the smaller Japanese ships in an attempt to sink those ships on the high seas, and in my estimation that is attempted murder.
I think the Japanese have a right to defend their lives at sea, and should use weapons to repel such attacks. Terrorism & then lying about it is not the answer.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam I have seen the SSCS "ram" the Japanese fleets. Not to sink them though. They are almost always shuffling for position to prevent the factory ship from loading whales. They throw Butyric acid stink bombs to contaminate the meat. Cut the bow trailing prop fouling lines. They harass the Japanese anyway they can. And yes it is dangerous. The whalers have a right to be angry.
That is no excuse for purposely running down the Ady Gil. Two wrongs don't make a right.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Ramming ships on the high seas, with large ships is attempted murder in my books. When ships are rammed, the hull can implode under such pressures killing people below decks and sinking the ship. When you say "the Japanese have a right to be angry" over this, do you mean they have a right to defend their lives if they are under assault and feel their lives are in danger?
Perhaps they have children and want to live, so do they have the right to self defense? I think so!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam ===> "Ramming ships on the high seas, with large ships is attempted murder in my books. "
Then why don't you hold the SM2 accountable to the same standard?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Well the helmsman himself shot forward in the jet boat to place the Ady Gil under the nose of the Japanese Ship in the last few moments before the collision, so place the blame where it rightly belongs.
The Ady Gil was a highly maneuverable, extremely fast vessel which was running circles around the large cumbersome Japanese ship, and had parked itself up ahead, and waited for the Japanese ship to get near, and then the Helmsman surged forward directly under the oncoming ship.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam First of all they very likely would have been hit anyway. Second of all that boat was not maneuverable under 12 Knots..that's why he hit the throttle to gain normal steerage to get away
Thirdly the SM2 was caught doing the same exact BS bad seamanship that you are angry at the SSCS for doing.
I think they are all wrong for playing games with peoples lives. But that Japanese Captain is every bit as wrong.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Do you think that in the future, the Japanese should just use firearms to repel attacks? I have been recommending that they use weapons to defend their lives if they are attacked, or rammed at sea, but they seem oddly negligent concerning the physical safety of their crewmen.
Since the Terrorists use large, and small attack vessels, I recommend a range of weapons systems. Small arms to keep them at bay, and flame throwers to incinerate the pirates if they ram the Japanese ships.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam I am not in favor of whaling, but I am more in favor of whaling, than I am of renegade Terrorist groups intentionally trying to murder Seamen on the High Seas. If I were on one of those Japanese ships, I would consider it my right to defend my life by any means necessary to stop the attack, and we have all seen that Hailing, Water Spraying, Evasive Maneuvers to run away from the attackers, all fail to deter the attacks, so a Weaponized defense seems necessary for protection.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam The ATS prevents any military action in the antarctic. However military action by either side is bullocks anyway. It is grown men acting like children on both sides.
The only reasonable solution is to grant Japan a reasonable moderate sustainable commercial quota on non endangered whales. But in exchange for that the Japanese remove their formal objection to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
Then this wasted money and effort from both sides can be spent on real conservation
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I think I am beginning to warn to you rosepetal. I like peaceful solutions, however I would hope that the Japanese could stop hunting any Whales at all.
Pending the solution you propose, and in the meantime the Japanese will return to hunt whales this year, and the Terrorists may yet again try to attack and kill the Japanese sailors, so notwithstanding any ban on defending oneself, natural law takes precedent, and people can rightly defend their lives with guns & flamethrowers.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Like I said before, weapons are not an option. ATS prevents it.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Well as you may or may not know, the Natural Law of Self Defense is applicable in all places at all times, and Supersedes as a defense any other man-made law, so I am going to caution the Terrorists that they should not rely on any man-made, laws, prohibitions, codicils or treaties to protect their Terroristic murderous activities. I will myself defend any Captain in any court who feels the need to defend his crew from being killed by terrorist attack by ramming and the like.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Except that the SSCS use what is considered non lethal harassment.. In most cases the danger is to themselves more than the Japanese. In fact it was the Japanese captain in this ramming that came the closest to killing someone with his dangerous maneuvers.
I am not sure why you are stuck on making the SM2 captain blameless. I am a mariner and I can attest that while we all hate the SSCS punks, this particular incident is nearly 100% opinion that the SM2 was mainly to blame.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 The Terrorists can euphemistically term ramming their large steel ships into smaller Japanese vessels on the high seas any thing they like, but that does no alter the fact that they are ramming ships, and endangering the lives of their Japanese victims. The victims have a right under natural law to shoot at those Terrorists or repel them in any manner if those terrorists use the weapon ship Bob Barker or others for Raming.
You are welcome to your 100% opinion, but you are wrong!
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam The only large ship that damaged a smaller vessel (with the possible exception of scratched paint and superficial damages) was the SM2 against the AG. Yet you want the Japanese to start killing the sea shepherds?
I don't like the SSCS either, but killing them, because of a formal dispute on a conservation area? That is ridiculous and immoral.
If a poacher was hunting deer in Yellowstone National Park and angry hikers fought to stop the poacher, wouldn't you have a different opinion?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 You diminish the attempted murder by the Terrorists by calling it a "formal dispute".
I have seen videos wherein a very large pirate flagged Terrorist ship was being filmed on the bridge as it was pursuing and attempting to attack and then Ramming into the side of a Japanese vessel upon the high seas.
This is assault and battery with foreseeable intent to cause grievous bodily harm and or death! I think the Japanese had a right to shoot the Terrorists Dead! I would have!
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 If the "Angry Hikers" "Fought" to stop the poacher, then it would all depend on how they fought. If they "fought" their way through the trees to high ground where they could get a signal and called the park authorities, or if they merely had disputatious words with the suspected poacher then there would be no need for the hunter to defend his life, however if they "Fought" by attacking the hunter with a machete or gun, then the hunter could shoot the attacker dead in self defense.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam I just realized you are Canadian. So lets change it. How would you feel about poachers killing Buffalo in Riding Mountain National Park?
If someone wanted to try and stop the poachers would you advocate the poachers arm themselves with rockets and flamethrowers because of the natural law of self defense???
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 If there are poachers, then by all means alert the Authorities, but one may not attempt to kill the suspected poachers by ramming your vehicle into theirs on the edge of a winding mountain road for instance, where you might drive them over the cliff to their death, or in the case of a ship on the high sea, where you might cause the other ship to sink and take many lives to their watery death.
If someone tries to kill you for hunting an animal, then defend yourself, by any means!!
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I am in favor of people protesting in lawful ways to have the Whaling stopped, but if they unlawfully attempt to kill the Japanese Whalers as the Terrorists have done, then I am very in favor of the Whalers defending their lives by any and every means necessary. Hailing, water-cannon, evasive maneuvers, all fail, so spraying the deck and the pilothouse of the ramming vessel with fuel & burning the Terror boats may be effective if the Terrorists/Pirates persist in the attack.
unserviam 6 months ago
Let me suggest a very effective way for protesters to stop the Whaling which will not result in anyone dying who does not want to die.
Self-immolation! If anyone of the Terrorists are so all fired up about saving lives, then all it will take is for one or more of them to sacrifice their life on the steps of the Japanese embassy with News Cameras rolling. You would not be murdering anyone, and since you own your own life & body, you may do with it what you will! It would be a noble thing to do!
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 There are people who eat kill and eat Puppies, Cats, Chickens, Lamb, Whales, Horses, Doves, Alligator, Snake and any number of other animals, and there are people who would prefer they did not do that. One may ask the purported offender to cease and desist, or one may call the authorities, or one may picket, or boycott, or speak out in the media, or take out advertisements, or curse, or cry, or self-immolate but one may not attempt to Terrorize & kill the people. It is very illegal
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam Continued: In fact this incident is almost a classic example of a text book case of what NOT to do as a captain. Working boat professional captains have to deal with idiots on the water all the time. It could be jet ski's jumping your wake for fun, sail boaters who think they always have right of way no matter what, or pleasure boaters with no clue at all or even protesters like this..
Yet as a professional you must keep your cool anyway. There is NO EXCUSE for what the SM2 did.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Given that the Helmsman chose to hurtle his Ady Gil Terrorist attack craft several boat lengths forward, and directly into the path of the oncoming less maneuverable Ship, instead of just letting the ship pass unobstructed, or instead of placing his Ady Gil attack craft into reverse. then no EXCUSE is even necessary, because the proximate cause of the crash was due to the ADY GIL helmsman's own decision and deliberate action of moving his boat forward to cause the impact.
unserviam 6 months ago
@unserviam "deliberate action of moving his boat forward to cause the impact."
You know that is a lie. I know you know because you saw the report and we discussed it. So now I am wondering exactly what your agenda is? What possible emotional response is so strong that even completely unbiased tracking data and the pure science of mathematics go out the window for you?
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I am not biased at all. I am being neutral! I honestly do not like the killing of Whales, nor do I like the killing or attempted of humans. I observe that the Japanese are killing whales, and that the Terrorist group says this is illegal.
I recommend that the Terrorists report what they believe to be illegal activity to the authorities, and have any lawbreakers arrested for their misdeeds if they are breaking any laws. The Terrorists are not a law enforcement agency, just thugs!
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 I too have seen the videos of the Pirate Flagged Terrorists ramming their large ships into the sides of Japanese ship on the high seas, and I am at a loss as to why the Japanese do not spray the decks of the attacking ship with gasoline & set it alight, instead of just spraying it with water from the hoses.
Is there any good reason for these Japanese who are under attack by Terrorists who are trying to sink their ship & drown people to not shoot & kill their attackers? I would!!
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 We know that the Ady Gil helmsman applied forward thrust in two bursts to get closer to the oncoming path of the Japanese ship as it was making way through the water. The Ady Gil was engaged in disruptive terrorist behavior and was there for that very purpose, so the closest action/event to the collision was undoubtedly the decision of the ady gil helmsman to place the nose of the Ady Gil directly into the path of the Japanese Vessel when it was approaching. Terrorist Fail!!
unserviam 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Grow Up!
unserviam 6 months ago
It doesn't matter what the ship is doing the less maneuverable ship always has the right of way in the ocean. So the Ady Gil is at fault because it is the more maneuverable craft.
mrx78155 7 months ago
I am appalled that some Television Production Company is monetizing Terrorism like this. The Animal Planet are sponsoring Terrorism by paying the Sea Sheppard Terrorists for dramatic, assaultive attack footage. Animal planet is in effect paying to have the lives of the Japanese sailors put in danger by these Terrorists who attempt to sink fishing ships at sea. Animal Planet are also Terrorists because they fund and glorify Terrorists with the television program. Japan should sue all of em.
unserviam 7 months ago
I have seen other videos showing the paul watson terrorists aggressively, and assaultively ramming their pirate-ships into Japanese vessels. Japanese must not understanding that they have a right under Natural Law, to take all necessary means to defend themselves when under attack, and that they could legally use firearms to kill their attackers, or board the vessel, arrest the terrorists & take them off their ship & burn or sink the attacking ship which is being used as a weapon. Self defense!
unserviam 7 months ago
I like whales as much as the next guy, and if the whalers are acting illegally them by all means lodge a complaint with the authorities, but I cannot condone vigilante justice whereby armed groups take to the high seas making attempts on peoples lives by ramming ships. It is attempted murder, and I am quite serious when I say that if it was me under attack like this at sea, I would gun down every person in sight on the attacking ship. All head-shots, and I would burn the terrorist ship. Justice!
unserviam 7 months ago
o give me a break these guys harass and fuck with the japanese ships for the past few years acting as pirates and terrorists... their whole boarding and blaming them of hostage...? seriously these anti-whalers need to all be rammed complete bunch of idiots. I would have rammed a stealth ship that parks itself in front of my moving ship also its just ridiculous.
thegreatestmoo 8 months ago
MrSNOWBLAST, i agree 100% these whalers r evil, from wot i understand those whaler ships r very maneuverable, so i think they could have moved, easy to see from their view that they almost going straight for the ady gil, like seems he turns a bit more to crash into em. neway awsome vid, lets save the whales from dying these horrid deaths for human gratification and money, wot hap to old days where they used their hands and normal harpoons? they raping the ocean nowadays! sux! anyway peace 2 u!
psycopink 8 months ago
@psycopink It may be the case that Whales are being hunted & killed, but these Terrorists are doing worse by illegally endangering the lives of Human Beings at sea. If the terrorists have a legal case against the Whalers let them make it in a civilized fashion in a court of law. They must not , and cannot take the laws into their own terroristic hands and illegally endanger human lives at sea. The Japanese victims of the attack could have legally killed the terrorists in self defense!
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam last ) and about those terrorist in the eighties, those were only a handful of our parent's generation , who also boarded ships, and who chained themselves to whatever they felt the need to chaining to. Who sailed small dingy's and weren't afraid to die in action for their cause. Those were the terrorists who's ship got blown up by secret services, also just for obstructing, the dump of oil and nuclear waste in the seas, atom bomb testing, and whale hunt., thank you: Greenpeace!
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST If people want to protest anything then they must do so without threatening and endangering the lives of others such as the terrorists did when recklessly endangering the lives of sailors by attacking their ships at sea. You may think, and the terrorists may agree that the life of a whale is more important than the life of the whalers, but I am sure the Whalers would disagree. They are terrorists in need of imprisonment & their weapons (ships) need to be seized, impounded or sank.
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam ok but so its ok for whales to die but no humans? every sea shep person will risk their lives for their cause, and u gota agree that in these days tis bout money and power if u have those 2 then u will win any court case even if u r wrong so wot choice do we have, just let them kill whales and do nothing? i dont tink sea sheps r terrorists, thats a awful usage of the word terrorist, i mean they r not using rocket launchers on the whalers. also the ady was DEAD in the water, ->
psycopink 7 months ago
@psycopink Terrorism does not require "Rocket Launchers"! The Sea Terrorists in the small boat were behaving in a threatening, assaultive, and aggressive manner, and attempting to disable the larger ship in the water, and also firing laser weapons into the eyes of the Sailors which is Assault & Battery! The black Terrorist boat furthermore attempted to provoke conflict, and was not stopped in the water, but actually applied thrust to move forward into the path of the larger ship. See prop-wash!
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam -> so how were they endangering the whalers? that wasnt self defense in my opinion. i dont agree with all the tactics used by sheps, ive a few ideas that would work and wouldnt even involve going near the whalers. they r lying bout research tho, no1 needs so many whales DEAD for research, why do the lie if they r doin no wrong? tink tis clear that this is very hard topic to agree on, as i said dont agree with all tactics of the sheps, but ->
psycopink 7 months ago
@psycopink I did not say that killing whales was a good, or right thing to do, but if it is illegal to do so, then by all means call the authorities, and have them arrested, but some group of Terrorists cannot take the laws into their own hands and take vigilante action and or terrorist actions to ram their terrorist ships into other ships on the high seas, nor launch projectiles at the ships, nor fire lasers into the eyes of the sailors aboard those ships. These are assaults/ attempted murder.
unserviam 7 months ago
@psycopink By all means protesters could lobby governments, advertize, have a sit-in at the Japanese embassy, write letters, call police or even self-immolate themselves if they wish to sacrifice their life and draw attention to their cause, but they must not attempt to murder people by ramming their ships on the high seas.
If your neighbor kills dandelion weeds on his lawn, and you don't like it, by all means ask her to stop, or call the police, but do not chase her down the street with a gun
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam i recently went on the stveve erwin, and am 100% sure thy r not murders, i dont tink their first choice would b violence, but wot do they have to do to get these whale murders to take notice and realise, sea shep REACTS to wot the whalers do, so ina sense the whalers dictate the outcome,, lets not get confused bout who the murders r, sea shep has no intention to murder the whalers, but whalers dont mind using grenadeS, ETC, gota look at the bigger pic here mate.. neway peace out! :)
psycopink 3 months ago
@psycopink to change the course of history, it takes heroes and those heroes are usually called murderers or terrorists in their times. someone willing to die for his cause isn't per definition a murderer. obstruction isn't the same as attacking and in order to make a change there have to be so called "extremists" . they still be dumping nuclear waist in the the sea if it hadn't been for those green peace "terrorists" in the eighties. complaining to corporate paid governments won't do JS
MrSNOWBLAST 3 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST and yeah i know you are on "our" side, my comment is more some sort of an addition to your reply on unserviam's
MrSNOWBLAST 3 months ago
@unserviam -> botton line is they r killin whales ina A|WFUL way and killin way to many, they dont even kno if they r killin a pregnant female or a 1 yr old,, how can that be good for an endangered species? neway i dont want a heated debate im happy to agree to disagree. and i will agree that both sides could handle their actions differently. peace and light to u friend! :)
psycopink 7 months ago
@psycopink As strongly as you feel about the whales, there are people who feel just as strong about preventing people from killing cattle, horses, seals, deer, geese, dogs, cats & any other animal which people use for food. Everyone can choose for themselves or complain to the authorities if they want to stop the killing, but they may not attempt to murder whoever it is that hunts a deer, kills a goose or catches a fish. That is unlawful assault or attempted murder just like the Sea Terrorists.
unserviam 7 months ago
B.s..... it was a ram.. they could have moved lets face it the boat is twice the size of the other boat.. wow
Truetone30 8 months ago
It is clear the the smaller Black boat was acting in an assaultive and terroristic manner towards the larger boat. It fired laser weapons into the eyes of the Japanese sailors which is an illegal assault and battery. I think the Japanese exercised restraint by verbal warning, water hose warding off and evasive maneuvers, but the terrorist boat would not stop their assault & placed themselves directly under the nose of the Japanese vessel intending to cause a collision. The Terrorists erred!
unserviam 9 months ago
@unserviam It would be nice if the japanese exercised respect for the law. Period.
raintree93 8 months ago
@raintree93 Well if the Japanese are in Breach of the Laws, then please report them to the appropriate authorities, but if the Sea Sheppard Terrorists attempt to take the law into our own hands, without color of law in an assaultive, terroristic, life endangering, confrontational manner on the high seas then of course they leave themselves wide-open and ripe to be shot dead by anyone who feels threatened by the terrorists. I think the Japanese are more than passive! I would not be so passive!
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam you know what? instead of making nonsense comments, I would be very grateful if you could spend just a couple of minutes on finding out about "how passive" those Japanese you are defending, really are. my video wasn't allowed on YT so pls watch on disclose (dot) tv and search "Japan lies to IWC " or search on 1 of the movie-sites for "the cove". In the 80-ies green peace were also considered terrorist but if it wasn't for them, we'd all be glowing green by now after a swim sea
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST I have no idea what you are even raving about when you bang-on about "glowing green by now after a swim sea" , but when you say I am making nonsense comments about these terrorists, and how I, if I were being attacked by them like this at sea I would defend myself and my crew by any and all means, all I can say to you is Pirates, and Terrorists Beware, because I would not be so passive as those Japanese fishermen who were being attacked. Self defense is lawful everywhere!
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam 1) i really can understand your point of view, that's not the issue, however , ones point of view is always dependent on ones knowledge of facts, right? (and for most people that usually means "what was fed by local media, i'm sure we can agree on that too) and the facts in this actually, aren't all that black and white. I don't support violence ,let's be clear on that and i do think that the shepherds cross the line every now and then but that is not a stand alone fact
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 2) there have been hostilities from both sides which ended up in what happened here. The Japanese have attempted multiple assassinations on Paul incl shooting with live ammo when they are only throwing with bottles filled with harmless stinky stuff. they have collided just as well in to the shepherds as the shepherds in to them. they have made use of high tech weaponry to blast an observing helicopter out of the air etc etc, now that is completely different from boarding a
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 3) boarding a ship, which maybe to your surprise is not an illegal thing to do in international waters, under specific conditions. piracy is illegal yes ,but unarmed boarding without the intention of taking over the ship, simply doesn't qualify as piracy. what's more, it is illegal to take such a boarding party hostage, according to the international legislation . and by all means , obstruction is not illegal, i am sorry (not really sorry). what is illegal is not making way
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 4) making way for a vessel which is not under steam, the Ady Gil clearly wasn't under power until it was to late to get out of the way. and it wouldn't have been to late if the whaler hadn't intentionally steered in to her with the soul intention of ramming. and i can tell you by reading the ships motion, that they did, and not just that, i can also tell you that they didn't try a last evasive maneuver to steer clear but that that maneuver was made to cause maximum dammage
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 5) damage and most likely was an effort to try and cut the crew up by the massive ship's propellers. and don't just take my word for it ,but please go do some research to see whether i'm B.S-ing you or not by what i am saying. but even still , that's just what legislation is or is not and it tells nothing of the how why and what exactly is the game that's being played. what are the stakes and who's benefiting from looking away and twisting facts and figures
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 6) there are big commercial interests of Western countries , sorry read Western individuals ,in Japan and the whales are being used as ransom. You can read it on the whalers. RESEARCH, not alone is killing 1000 to 2000 individuals of highly endangered species of animals per year anything but research to preserve the species but the result of that research is presented in pre-canned portion sized packs straight off the ship some of it sold for big bucks to just a handfull
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 7) handful of Japanese people only and the rest? well that is being fed to children as school meals , who, if given the choice rather even wouldn't eat it. Not sure how or what exactly but there was also something to do with the grants the fleet gets from the government, which runs in the millions just to keep the fleet barely afloat, so japan wanted to have double the quota so they could make more money out of selling in order to keep the research going, but since when
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 8) since when does research have to be commercially viable? and the bulk of the meat t now, is already unsellable and dumped in school children's cafeteria's. So their culture? the need for the commodities? or what? if given the chance they would have finished long ago what they're still trying to accomplish ,that is, for your grandchildren to be able to ask you "please, tell me once more what it was like when there were still whales around, did they really sing?
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST 9)"what are you going to tell them when they then ask, "what did you do grandpa/ma when there was still a change, did you also stand up and try to save an animal who can't speak for it selves? i bet you did gran, didn't you?" are you then also speaking up in favor of the whalers and are you going to tell, no I stood aside and looked the other way and I even condemned those few who were willing to die in order to save just 1 individual momentarily. would you?
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST Everyone except the most credulous understands that paul watson faked being shot in his protective vest. I saw the video, and the physics, and the mechanics of it just are not consistent with what happens when you are 'really' shot by a bullet in a protective vest. Watson is an inveterate liar, a terrorist, and a danger to all who ply their trade on the seas of the planet. He should be banned as a menace from being upon the seas under penalty of imprisonment. He is a criminal!
unserviam 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST The terrorists are nut operating the authority of law when they attack the ships at sea, so in my opinion, whenever they attack and ram their boats into the boats of others upon the high seas, the victims of those attacks are within their natural rights to board the terrorist ship with firearms and arrest everyone aboard before they hurt someone or themselves through their reckless terroristic endangerment. The vessels they use as weapons should be immediately burned out & sunk.
unserviam 7 months ago
@unserviam and you can trust me, you don't have the knowledge to make conclusions on what is rightful or not. There is no police nor coastguard nor navy or even any authority at all in international waters. Australia has done it's best by keeping the fleet out of specific allocated breeding grounds in the arctic seas where fishing is of limit , since the whalers couldn't care less about those zones. The ramming resulted in a lawsuit in New Zealand and Japan suspended the hunt till further notice
MrSNOWBLAST 7 months ago
@MrSNOWBLAST So you say "There is no police nor coastguard nor navy or even any authority at all in international waters." So according to you, the Japanese Victims of these Terrorist attacks from the Terrorist wing of The Animal Planet TV Show could defend themselves if they wanted to by whatever means they deemed necessary. They could shoot the Terrorists dead if the terrorists ram them. Accorting to you they could set the Terrorist Ships ablaze & sink them once they repelled the assault.
unserviam 6 months ago
dumb move on sea shepherds part, serves em right
freedomsailer 9 months ago
Green Terrorists
Mrdoctile 9 months ago
fuck you, unprovocative attack? why the fuck they are in front of a big vessel? the ocean is so big, and you happen to be in front? or the big whale boat was trasing a small speedboat and ram it? LOL, what a joke, people, use your brain for once.
MsUoykcuf 10 months ago
If you playing in front of a big vessel you will be hit in the end.
TJ76no 10 months ago
LMFAO!!! They probably shouldn't have been towing a net to wrap up the props. And I suppose those greasy stinky hippies left all the debris and their derilect fishing nets roaming about the ocean...hippocrites, douchebags...let em try and board my vessel.
redneckryno13 11 months ago
@redneckryno13 "Greasy stinky" often goes hand in hand with 'redneck'- so I'd be a little more thoughtful in future. If possible. Glad to see the rednecks care nothing for the law, though. Telling.
raintree93 8 months ago
The boat That got hit, the guy sold everything he owned to make that boat! They both made mistakes, the whalers and the sea shepards. I watch this show
Thehoagie99 11 months ago
HAHA lying hippy scumbags deserve what they get
bshaun2 1 year ago
Ady Gil overtook on the port side, cut across the bow at 1.06 in the video, and then turned into the path of the Japanese vessel. Clearly at fault by failing to keep clear after overtaking. What the hell did they expect and what hypocrites to attempt to shift the blame to the vessel they were harassing.
3forts 1 year ago
They should of sank the sea shepherd and then they should have shot that harpoon right up Ady's ass.
weshiebert1 1 year ago
wow...why did the small vessel play cat and mouse with such a huge vessel.
and why did it accelerate infront of the vessel?
why did it not take early action to get out of the way to prevent collision since it is clear that it was going to be a close qtr situation??
tlkchew 1 year ago
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@MrSNOWBLAST are You so fucking dumb that You belive this is the whalers fault? First of all the Ady Gil was crossing and playing around the whalers, and pleasure crafts has to make way for merchant vessels. And seems to my that the whalers tried to warn the Ady Gil continusly by using water guns to avoid her to come closer. The Ady Gil was there to provoce a dangeruos situation, they were there to make problems, are you so fucking dumb you think they were only sightseeing?
SeabornRanger 1 year ago
@MrSNOWBLAST are You so fucking dumb that You belive this is the whalers fault? First of all the Ady Gil was crossing and playing around the whalers, and pleasure crafts has to make way for merchant vessels. And seems to my that the whalers tried to warn the Ady Gil continusly by using water guns to avoid her to come closer. The Ady Gil was there to provoce a dangeruos situation, they were there to make problems, are you so fucking dumb you think they were only sightseeing?
SeabornRanger 1 year ago
@SeabornRanger nice name brainiac. i have sailed all oceans and a couple of seas during the 6.5 years when i worked on the bridge of a vessel. and i rather trust on my own capabilities and knowledge then on your logic and interpretation of facts. and your intelligence speaks in the language you use and the assumptions. were they there to create problems? of course they were, never said they weren't .can a car intentionally steer in to someone who is obstructing a parkinglot? of course not
MrSNOWBLAST 1 year ago
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I think you have two terrible captains. The end.
MrCluckingchicken 1 year ago
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MrCluckingchicken 1 year ago
awwwwww the hippies rammed a much larger ship then cry because thier dingy sank
dixiedog31 1 year ago
I've always hated the Japanese lack of regard for animals and the environment. But I think I hate these stupid activists more. I hope all of you get your ultimate desire and end up martyrs for your cause.
jacopastorius777 1 year ago
sea shepturds get theirs. ha ha!
owenv11 1 year ago
so did they overtake then stop for refueling? who was going to refuel it and cant the hippies fight for a real cause other than the minke whale of which theres plenty?
washingmashipe 1 year ago
@washingmashipe The whalers are taking endangered Fin and Humpback whales and were planning to take Sperm Whales as well. All those whales are listed as protected species under CITES which has jurisdiction and more power over the IWC. Even if the whaers research were legit. The whalers "research" would still be breaking the Antarctic Treaty regarding research expeditions, and would also be breaking the Madrid Protocols regarding safety and enviornmental damage assesments.
rcc1111 1 year ago
Save the 2 million and purchase some whale sperm and some test tubes. Make a difference, you know?
slippeedoo 1 year ago
International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea clearly state that the Shonan Maru #2 was at fault.
Section II for vessels in sight of one another
13. Overtaking
Notwithstanding anything in part B, sections 1 and 2 an overtaking vessel MUST KEEP WELL CLEAR OF THE VESSEL BEING OVERTAKEN.
Shonan Maru #2 was clearly the vessel building speed and was clearly overtaking the Ady Gil, which at the time was waiting to be refueled by the other SSCS ship. The Shonan Maru is the offener
rcc1111 1 year ago
@rcc1111 good to see there still are people who do research to have their own opinion instead of the opinion presented on tv by the media .
good very good indeed
MrSNOWBLAST 1 year ago
@MrSNOWBLAST Well I'm a big fan of the SSCS, but I knew that you cannot avoid bias opinions in the news (especially the media in Japan). I decided to look up a few laws that pertained to this particular inccident and decided to use the view points from all the ships and it's clear that the Shonan Maru was the one that sped towards the Andy Gil theres no question about it. Even if the Ady Gil was moving it wasn't moving at full speed, infact it was only going 2 or 3 knots at the most
rcc1111 1 year ago
@rcc1111 The Ady Gil also kept a steady position (straight) if the Shonan Maru hadn't turned towards it there would have been no collision especialy since the Ady Gil was actually awaiting to be refueled by the Steve Irwin
rcc1111 1 year ago
@MrSNOWBLAST - I notice how you conveniently left out the footage that clearly shows the Ady Gil accelerate to get in front of the Shonan Maru #2 as the larger vessel was passing. If Ady Gil had stayed put, there would have been no collision.
computersmith64 1 year ago
@computersmith64 you know J/S. first of all , I have worked on the bridge of a ship for a period of 6.5 years so forget about pretending . secondly, i have not left anything out but am showing the complete broadcasts of the news show as they were shown when this occurred and last but not least, watch a video before making troll comments because this supposedly "accelerating" is shown, and it's the Japanese footage. 3 strikes your out ,, dumbasz!!
MrSNOWBLAST 1 year ago
@MrSNOWBLAST - took me a while to work out what "J/S" is... so I guess I do. Sorry about missing the part that I was referring to - I guess that your video is so boring & repetitive that I couldn't be bothered watching it all the way through. Why did you put accelerating in quotes? Is it because you think I spelled it wrong, or is it because you don't believe what is clearly shown in other peoples videos (jury is still out on whether it's in yours or not because I can't be bothered watching...
computersmith64 1 year ago
...the whole thing - as mentioned earlier). You worked on the bridge of a ship for 6.5 years - big deal! It might make you an expert (in your mind), but it doesn't change the fact that the nimrod at the helm of the Ady Gil clearly opened the throttles & propelled his vessel into the path of the approaching ship. Or maybe he was actually trying to reverse - which just makes him incompetent instead of dangerously negligent. Btw - if you can't handle a bit of criticism, don't post videos, dumbasz!
computersmith64 1 year ago
@computersmith64 qualified enough to know how a ship reacts to steering and it is clear that the whaler intentionally steered towards a ship which wasn't under power a.t.t. in the water. is there footage all over the internet showing the ady gill with whitewash just before the ramming? yes there is. (same footage as is shown here b.t.w) and without taking all what preceded in account it looks like they steered into the whaler but they didn't. it was an emergency evasive maneuver as
MrSNOWBLAST 1 year ago
@MrSNOWBLAST they tried to get out of the way. and i challenge you to come up with footage which shows the ady gill ramming the whaler. you can't because there is no footage which shows the ady gill under was under speed and steering into the whaler and by that i mean lets say the last 10 or 15 seconds before impact . all they show is 1 or 2 seconds before collision and that's all .. just watch the footage from the bob baker there's all the proof
MrSNOWBLAST 1 year ago
The hats worn by he crew of the Ady Gil have the slogan "Stand By To Ram!"
What would make you think these innocent protesters would ever think about ramming the Japanese?
Sighfin 1 year ago
@Sighfin When the SSCS "rams" ships, it is much more of a bump and designed to irritate, annoy, and intimidate rather than cause damage/injuries. Yes, they have sunk ships, but they were scuttled in port/harbor with no one aboard.
ORNonprophet 1 year ago
@ORNonprophet So when Paul Watson attached metal spears to the side of his boat before ramming, those are not intended to penetrate the other ship's hull?
Also, as long as there are no fatalities, it is acceptable for anyone, including the Japanese, to "ram" other boats? just to annoy them of course.'
You say they use ramming as a means of intimidation? Doesn't that make them terrorists? Using violence or the threat of violence to intimidate others into changing their actions?
Sighfin 1 year ago
@Sighfin I was under the impression that the spikes were to prevent being boarded, i.e. defensive not offensive. Don't get me wrong, as a captain myself, I don't condone violence at sea--it's a dangerous "game" and eventually someone will get seriously hurt or killed. There's a long history of people taking things into their own hands when govts can't/won't do anything (Boston Tea Party, etc). I think whaling in a whale sanctuary is wrong, and I'm glad at least somebody is trying to stop it.
ORNonprophet 1 year ago
@ORNonprophet I don't understand how a three foot spike out the front side of your ship can be used defensively. Also, who would be boarding the Sea Shepherds ship? If anything the whalers just want to be left alone. I've seen governments board the Sea Shepherd's ships in the past. Are those spikes intended to intimidate governments officials against legally boarding their ship?
Sighfin 1 year ago
@Sighfin Ummm those are anti-boarding spikes... a lot of ships including the whaling ships use them... but they are used to deter crew from large ships from coming close so they can board.
rcc1111 1 year ago
@ORNonprophet You say you condone violence, but what do the Sea Shepherds do other than violence? Their primary attack is throwing bottles of acid. Its only been luck that they have not killed anyone with a bottle to the head or been blinded
If someone were outside my house throwing bottles at me, I would definitely not consider it passive.
Wouldn't the millions that the Sea Shepherds are dumping into terrorizing the workers aboard these ships be better spent on a legal or political campaign?
Sighfin 1 year ago
@Sighfin Butyric acid is rancid butter that is harmless. I know people get all bent out of shape about the word "acid," but really, would you freak out of someone threw citric acid (i.e. orange juice) on you? So me a single study where it shows burns caused by rancid butter.
ORNonprophet 1 year ago
@ORNonprophet That is stupid. Butter contains 3-4% Butyric Acid. And when it rots, it releases that acid. But it's retarded to say that it IS rancid butter.
The Sea Shepherds throw Commercial Grade (not Food Grade) 100% Butyric Acid. What country do you live in? The US and EU both list Butyric Acid as a hazardous material for causing burns and blindness. Its also combustible, but thats a bit different.
Will you let me throw Commercial Grade Butyric Acid on you? I'll fly you here to video it.
Sighfin 1 year ago
@Sighfin Lots of items on the hazmat list are common, everyday substances that have the POTENTIAL to cause harm--that's why they're on the list. Butyric acid has a PH of only 4.85 making it less acidic than beer--are you afraid to spill beer on your hand? Funny how at Bethune's trial the so-called injured SM crew weren't available and no photos of their "injuries."
Some other common (dangerous!) substances on the MSDS list: Phosphoric Acid (ie.e Coca Cola), Citric Acid (Orange Juice), etc.
ORNonprophet 1 year ago
You can clearly see that the Research Ship is steering to port when the BatMobile accelerates and crosses her bow.
HelimanZ06 1 year ago
How many whales have to die for science?
Blagden1357 1 year ago
The fact that the Shonan Maru turned towards the almost stationary Andy Gil should be proof enough.
rcc1111 1 year ago
ECO COMMUNIST SCUM
democracyoreugenics 1 year ago
Fools!, when you run a course convergent with a much larger vessel that is under way ( right of way) this is what you get. Guess you are going to have to get some more donations to fix your toy boat.
ratslayerdj 1 year ago 2
@ratslayerdj dumbasz, i bet "nearest you ever got to the sea , is a beach"
MrSNOWBLAST 1 year ago
@MrSNOWBLAST and you learn to english
TheMysticRyu 1 year ago
@ratslayerdj
i agree they were acting fucking stupid and got what they deserved.
TheMysticRyu 1 year ago