This is so twisted. If my dad wanted to pay my bail, I'd let him but only because I could earn money and pay him back. If I did something terrible and the punishment was horrific and my dad said, "don't worry I'll torture and kill your brother instead." I'd tell him to go fuck himself because that's the furthest thing from justice, it's pure evil. Anyone with any integrity would do the same.
5:00 @ rationalresponder This definitley helped. Definitley! You helped me take one more step to Athiesm. This analogy was ridiculous and embarrassing. For Christianities sake please stop using it on youtube and on your soapbox in HB. I know this video is 2 years old so I am hoping you have done-away with this scripted analogy AND yours and Ray Comforts packaged "What do you call a..." commandments monologue.
Jesus never claimed divinity, the trinity is a false doctrine. Silly Christians...
(John 14:6 won't work btw.)
Mark 10:18 Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
John 14:28 You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,”[a] which is translated, “God with us.” John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Jesus is divine. You are in error!
@jsong1974 Thanks for quoting John 8:58 so now I can make you look stupid. Firstly, Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in Greek which isn't even the original Aramaic. Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was in Hebrew. "I am" is not the same as "I am What I am". Did you read verse 59? Jesus was interrupted and fled because the Jews were upset. You also forgot to mention:
8:29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.
@jsong1974 Is the Knowledge of God not eternal? Angels existed before Abraham, are they Gods too?
“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)
Jeremiah is almighty Yahweh as well according to you.
Now time to debunk your other pathetic and common claims. Let's see you refute my initial claims without misquoting from your "Holy" book.
@jsong1974 QUOTE IN CONTEXT. John 14:7 If you really KNOW me, you will KNOW my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Anyways, that quote is from John's Gospel, which is the last of the four Gospels and differs from the previous ones making it the least authentic. Can you produce that quote from Mark, Luke or Matthew? Didn't think so.
@jsong1974 Until you provide me an explicit statement where Jesus himself says "I am God' or "Worship me", I have no reason to believe he is divine. So I challenge you to show me where he says that. If you can't, then stop putting words in his mouth saying he is God.
23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Mark 2: 5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Every man is a sinner. Jesus Christ was without sin
@jsong1974 Quoting from John is not sufficient, and if you would like, I will show the corruption for you to further weaken your points. Nothing you have quoted has proven that Jesus is God. Are you meaning to tell me that God can't allow one of his creations to perform these things? You also have yet to refute anything I mentioned, I am still waiting. All you have done is continued quoting blindly without considering anything I said. Produce me a quote where Jesus says "I am God". You can't.
@jsong1974 Answer my questions and quit running. I have submitted my will to almighty God. I followed what he has revealed through the Final Seal of the Prophets prophecised in John 16:7, John 14:6, John 15:26, Isaiah 29:12, Deuteronomy 18:19 and more. However, you're a fool for thinking God died for your sins.
Quran 2:135 They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I'd rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ u r dead in ur trespasses and sins.
@jsong1974 Wow you are so blind. I agree with everything you quoted. They do not prove a triune God but you are so stupid that you interpret it that way. Now can you stop ignorantly quoting meaningless verses and address the points I mentioned? Also, stop quoting from John's Gospel which is the last of the four and differs the most between Mathew's Mark's and Luke's. You are a blind Christian. Now let me ask you this, did Jesus Christ die on the cross for our sins? Is that how you'll be saved?
@deviIstudios I gave you the word of God. My final post for a non-believer.
Colossians 2:
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
@jsong1974 No, I am a believer in Jesus Christ the Messiah, and the God that sent him, among many other Prophets. You on the other hand, are a believer in a false doctrine of trinity which became official at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. You follow Paul more than you do Jesus himself. It is your final post because I have embarrassed you and refuted your cherry picking of the Bible. You have addressed NONE of my points and succeeded in making Christians look even more stupid. Good job.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
@jsong1974 Quoting Paul, that man that you follow. You don't follow Yeshua ben Yosef, you follow Paul and his teachings. Jesus taught monotheism along with every messenger before him. Turn and worship Elohim/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah/ the Father! Not his "son" Jesus! Jesus was the Messiah.
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
@jsong1974 Quoting Paul, that man that you follow. You don't follow Yeshua ben Yosef, you follow Paul and his teachings. Jesus taught monotheism along with every messenger before him. Turn and worship Elohim/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah/ the Father! Not his "son" Jesus! Jesus was the Messiah.
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
Thank you for recognizing the contradiction. But how is it 'just' to murder an innocent man for the crimes of a guilty man? Should not the guilty man be punished? And how is it merciful to murder and innocent man because of the crimes of another? Would it not be more merciful for no-one to die at all?
Not to mention, god made the laws. If he didn't want to punish people, why make laws that require punishment in the first place?
I like the way you explain this and with such passion, not hate towards others, keep on going. However I do not believe it and think it's immoral on so many levels. You have probably heard all of these things and I am tired of arguing about this with people who wont really listen so i'm just gonna say: I believe you can be saved, saved from the cel you call christianity, because you are not an angry christian so you might reason with an atheist, if you can do that, there is hope. grtz
Circular rationality... the bible is right because the bible is right because the bible is right because the bible is right. Its unfair. its wrong. I like to be nice, and debate in a friendly way, but when christians refer to their christian god as being JUST and MERCIFUL it makes me sick. Your rationality that jesus is the only way because he says so?.. That is (forgive me) STUPID. I could say that I am the only way to god, and if you believe it that would be irrational.... same same..
You have never seen your father. Somebody else tells you, based on a book that your father is supposed to have inspired, that you have to love your father and if you don't, you will be tortured. But if you accept the torture and murder of another person in your stead, you are off the hook.
There is nothing just about it. It is an immoral system.
@twaallen32 Well you could see that Christianity started the problem OR that other people started the problem by NOT believing.It all boils down to..
A1:There is one God (if not then we just go in the dirt,athiesm ends here)(Also Chad just pointed out why them other religion systems of Justice and Mercy dont work)
A:2God is real so He HAS to be just and merciful(if not Hes not God)
A:3God is real so His standard is real so also punishment (hell)
@TheCh1212 I laughed when I saw this response. How do you know there is one god? How do you know he is real? Having read the bible, how can you believe he is either just or merciful? Do you think torture is moral? How about eternal torture for not believing something based on lack of evidence? As for the last one, even assuming god is real, and that a Christ had to come, how do you know it's Jesus? Just take a day off work and read everything on atheists d0t org, remembering it's all cited fact.
@booyahbd1. Because God isnt made by hands or metal human design.2.From experience 3.He's just because He will punish all the wicked,He's merciful because while we hated God,He loved us so much He died for us 4.I dont have to believe if its moral or not,its not my punishment to give,its His 5 There is evidence all around us,the Bible,Creation,the Conscience. Because if God is real then only God could have let Jesus become the Great Name that is used for Him today.And its never going away either.
@booyahbd Well we could go thru the conscience and creation but i think the most neccessary thing that you couldnt debate me on is experience. There is so many promises in the Bible,its funny how people debate scripture vs scripture or theology when they could just try out what Jesus said. Ask,Seek,Knock (Matthew 7:7-10) If you repent from your sins (the ones you violated,the Ten Commandments) and Put your faith and trust in the Savior He WILL reveal himself to you,He'll change your heart.
@TheCh1212 Creationism has been proven false with evolution, something easily observed in nature that has been solidified as scientific theory. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by conscience... the brain functioning perhaps? You didn't really present any evidence at all, just saying that I have to take your word for it and believe for no (presented) reason. If you actually have some evidence that isn't your own creation, please share it. Otherwise you might want to peruse that atheist site.
@booyahbd i didnt say that for me my friend i said for YOU to do it. Repent and turn from your sin (the ones you broke,the Ten Commandments and deserving Hell) and put your trust in the Savior who is the only way to save you. YOU DO THAT,and He WILL reveal Himself to you,give you a new heart with new desires :)
@TheCh1212 I haven't broken any of the ten commandments, and you still haven't given me any proof that a god exists. If I force myself to believe something, guess what? I'm going to believe it. That would prove god a creation of the mind. The simple fact is there is no credible source for christianity (or most religions for that matter), and many actual facts directly contradict it. I'm just going to tell you at this point: read the facts from that website. I read yours.
@booyahbd i will go to that site :) but first i must ask, You have never lied(even white lies),stolen(regardless of value),disobeyed your parents even once? ,Jesus said if you look upon someone with lust you've committed adultery with them in your heart. If you have broken even just one of these your a law breaker and what you did is called sin. Sin deserves death and death without atonement for sins deserves Hell but while you were guilty,Jesus came and paid that fine,now your free,make sense?
@TheCh1212 Dishonoring your parents is going way further than disobeying them. The closest thing in the commandments to lying is "bearing false witness against your neighbor." I can honestly say I've never testified to falsely convict my neighbor of something. I'm familiar with the christian story (baptized lutheran, raised catholic). I love how all of these theistic events seized to occur after the writing of the scripture. Is the 2k year lull coincidence, or reality?
@rbound827 His suffering was showing His love on humanity so that through His death and resurrection we can be SAVED from death and can lean on Him when suffering. God being love and everything good came down to a world full of darkness to live and die for us even though HE DIDNT DESERVE IT,thats pretty impressive to me my friend.
@TheCh1212 Great- Sacrifice someone who wasn't deserving of death. Nice god you worship my friend. And by the way, the idea of sacrificing something to the gods as sins of the tribe have been around for thousands of years before yeshua ( jesus). Christianity and the story of Jesus is a mixture of many older religions- its not actually real- if it wasn't for Emperor Constantine you'd be worshiping Mithra
God is a fucking prick...holding a grudge this long against humanity. Grow up you piece of shit. I'll never praise you because i dont give a SHIT what you "did" for me. Sending yourself to die for yourself for the sin you created. Your a piece of shit, I'll gladly accept my punishment by going to hell if it means I'm further away from your grudge holding ass. I deny the existence of the father, son, and holy spirit. Well guess i can't be saved now... damn I'm so sad
@filoIII can you point to another historical document other then the bible that can cross reference the claim that your god created the universe? And that jesus christ was in fact the son of god (this reference again being outside of the bible). And can your prove with 100% accuracy that your god is the true god and every other religion that came before and after is a lie? Get back to me when you have that answer...
@aRchEneMy543 Let's deal w/ the question I posed to you, then we can continue. Either you mistakenly forgot to answer my question about the claim you made or it was purposeful. Which was it, and please answer my question first?
Guess who's back! Well I just refuted this video by using your own holy book on my show OpenAirAtheist. I'm waiting for your response. As my rabbi friend would say shabot shalom ,have a nice day.
I understand all the Christian logic, but there is a problem w/ Christianity too! first they follow Pauline scripture, not really Yeshua's. Second they also are in Babylon(Christmass,Easter,ect.) They need to also come out of the roman Catholic PAGAN ways! from Nimrod or they will receive of her plagues.
This is all assuming god exists, first off. Second. You claim Jesus is the only way to explain God's mercy. First off, this ALSO assumes that Jesus WAS God, or the son of god, whatever you might believe about him. You literally can't say this is logic when you have to literally ASSUME things to be true in order for your logic to work.
Now. Jesus is NOT the only messiah across all religions. So really, your logic could really be used for most other religions xD.
@crackwhen You mean the belief in God? Well, sometime just try thinking to yourself, how did this world come into existance? Something had to come together in order for things to work out the way they did. We have a perfect sized planet, a survivable climate, fresh air, water to drink, and food to sustain life here. The mathamatical odds of this happening out of a "big bang" are impossible. And if there was a big bang, how did that all start? Everyone knows you can't get something out of nothing
@DanSVT03, NO, you believe in god because you are afraid of death, so you delude yourself by pathetically trying to come up with a reason to live forever. You are afraid of not existing. That frightens you doesnt it?
@crackwhen No, I believe in God because I know he exists. I'm not sitting here "deluding" myself and pretending that their is a God, all because I'm scared of death and want to comfort myself. I believe in God because being an athiest makes absolutely NO SENSE and defies all logic. You believe in things which contradict eachother. Call me crazy, but I believe in things that are certain. Don't try to pass judgement on me dude... You don't know who you're talking to.
@DanSVT03, Pretending to know things to which no one can can know is deluded. How can you possibly know for a fact that god exists if you have never seen "God", Atheist dont have similar beliefs, we are not a group of people who share idelogies, We simply dont believe in the existence of god because there is no evidence to suggest that god does exist.
@crackwhen There is PLENTY of evidence to support God's existance. Unfortunately I can't write it all in 500 characters or less. I am not "pretending" to believe in God. I simply wondered if there was a God or not, I did my research, and I found the answer. You keep saying there is "no evidence" that God exists. It's all a few key strokes away dude... This planet didn't simply pop into existance from nothing, and neither did the universe.
@DanSVT03, Well, Where is your evidence for your deity? You cannot use the logic of we exist, therefore something or someone must have created us; Evolution, natural selection, and the bing bang are far better explanations for the way things are
@crackwhen Oh really? And what would have created the big bang? I am very confident I can use logic here, because as I said before, you cannot have something created out of nothing. How is this at all possible to you? You're saying the big bang is a far better explaination for the way things are. Explain to me what could have triggered the big bang? Are you saying that we can have something created out of nothing? Not exactly sure what your stance is here...
@DanSVT03, Fine, the explanation behind what could have caused the big bang is hazy to say the least, but regardless, I am NOT the one that has the burden of proof on my shoulders; you are the one claiming that an all powerful being in the sky created everything, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF for your claim?
@crackwhen I'm talking to you right now about my proof. My argument about the big bang isn't to determine what specifically could have made it happen, but rather the idea that everything in existance, every peice of matter, had to be created somehow. It did not all just pop into existance out of thin air. Something created the matter that makes up our world... Just try thinking about any possible source besides God, and it will soon start to make your head spin like it did mine.
@DanSVT03, Once again, you are resorting back to the fallacy that something cannot come from nothing, which isnt even needed in this argument; Just because something cant be explained at this present day doesnt mean it doesnt have an answer; you are using God as an excuse for your lack of knowledge; I am not calling you ignorant, or dumb; I or anyone else alive right now dont know the secrets of the cosmos either
@DanSVT03 please do not use the "poofed into existance argument" if you can't provide an explanation of the creation of your god because your using the EXACT same argument. You are SOO close-minded if you think everything thing in the known universe was created by one guy sitting up in the clouds. Is is so wrong to wonder if something else besides this deeply flawed and contradicted story of "god" created everything? Fucking gtfo with your backward ass logic
What father would let a child be a victim of a crime?
No decent father would. But only an especially wicked father would make it a crime to be born and then threaten to punish his children for it unless they worship him without question.
@morganbutterfly I'm sorry to tell you this, as I'm not sure you'll understand, but in fact if there is a man who has read the bible on youtube, it is this man. Now I don't mean to say you are stupid, thats not what I'm saying at all. To come to terms with this belief is somewhat hard in this day and age. You have to understand that at the root of all God's justice is love. What Father would let a child be the victim of a crime? Yet what Father would allow his children to commit that same crime?
I've said this before but I'll say it again: in no just system can a father judge a child in a court of law otherwisw the entire thing is a farce. You do know that if a judge is appointed a case that implicates a family member s/he is immediately removed from it, right?
Have you ever read the Bible? I am going to say, you have not. If that god doesn't deal in contradictions, he most certainly is a hypocrite. What kind of god kills his own son. Besides, "God loved the world so much that he sacrificed his only begotten son to atone for your sins." BTW, by the way you tell your version of the story, you make it seem as though god looked at Jesus in pure disgust.
@morganbutterfly Jesus didn't get murdered! He chose this! You should be grateful for that, love is almost extinct on earth nowadays, ADHD, Autism, Alzheimer, Cancer, Allergies despite that we eat so much better than in the 60s. Thats whats happen when you eat mans chemicals and not Gods natural Food. Jesus is a very strong precense, he is a POWERFUL GUY, not only weak 'belief'. What good would 'belief' in a guy who died for us, be in a dangerous situation? Thats where Jesus steps in and ROAR.
cont....two are mutually exclusive. Furthermore, you cannot say he is then not these things and instead beyond our comprehension. You cannot do this because you would then hardly even be making a claim, it would be like saying x exists, but I don't know what it is. Furthermore, if you do know what it is you're claiming, then you most certainly cannot claim to know anything about it's nature or it's participation in universal events, and there are a countless number of these claims in the bible.
one of them is this: god is defined as omnipotent and omniscient. So by necessity, he must know everything, and be able to do anything and everything. This means that he must be able to create something which he has no knowledge of, but this would make him not omniscient. However, if he did know about it, he would not be able to do everything, and is therefore not omnipotent. To cover any loopholes you may try to use, he can not be both in a state of knowing and not knowing because the......cont
cont...that the judge took the punishment of the criminal. Furthermore, by the bible's own admission, those who are not Christian will go to hell. This is by no means just, it would be like a judge condemning everyone but their son, even if their son is obviously a delinquent. these are not traits of a just god, and Jesus dying on the cross does not create a new kind of justice, you can not use it as a loophole, because it still isn't just. Furthermore, there are many contradictions of god..cont
One: you haven't actually solved the contradiction. Two: you haven't solved many of the other contradictions. Three: most importantly, you don't in any way support your claims at all. Firstly, the contradiction is not solved through Christ because it is unjust. using the same judge analogy, it is fair for a criminal to be punished no matter what anyone does, it is actually more unfair to bestow the punishment upon someone else who does not deserve it. It was not just..cont
I don't think I deserve etenal damnation. Frankly I find you God (if he does exist) to be spiteful, vengeful, jealous, and ultimately the source of all evil. We would be better off not being created at all if your God existed.
God created evil and damned humanity for it, that's a big contradiction. Hell has also been drastically malformed by modern bible translations, none of the original words used for hell in the bible meant a place of torture, fire and brimstone or anything like that. Christians can prove nothing in their faith, half barely know anything besides what they want to believe. Christianity isnt the only religion, and isnt the right way, its just the easy well known way.
I work out the contradiction by burring my head in the sand, and ignoring the logic my mind reflects from that little voice bellowing from the depths of my soul, "We are not separate from God! Have no fear of hell, as it's only there to scare you into joining a religion and paying tithe! Heaven is WITHIN us all - NOW..."
like that would really happen! lol Bad example. Do you know who wrote the book. PEOPLE. I don't see that as a good moral if he sends you to hell if you don't believe in him. Very unfair for any other religion. People die allot more painful deaths, than Jesus went threw. Also you know what else I don't like about Christianity. It says to like my enemies. you can like your enemies when they hang you on the cross. Or think rationally, know they dont like you!
wow, this was one of the more brilliant videos you fabricated. i mean addressing two prevalent religions rather than a few other less "orthodox" religions (hinduism, mormonsim, etc) was what convinced me. and concluding islam has 2 premises concerning god that contradict eachother (which i guess would mean allah doesnt exist, remember god doesnt live in an illogical world otherwise he's useless.) bravo man, bravo
but this example is only if you think there is a heaven and a hell. and a god. Christianity be the only way, what if there is no god. faith is a bad excuse. but even if there is a god, what if there is no heaven and hell.. you can just live your life and justice is served by the circle of life 0 you do a bad thing, it balances itself out when something bad happens to you. vice versa.
Wow! This was the single most pig headed video I've ever seen... You got some balls talking shit on how atheists think they are all knowing... You seem to think you are all knowing... "Jesus is the only way" Not only is that pig headed it's nuts. If god were out there I would hope he/she/it wouldn't be as stupid as all of the religions think. If I pick the wrong one I'm hellbound? Seems dumb. I don't get how so many people in this day and age believe in hell. A place where fire burns w/o oxygen.
You're already assuming Christian doctrine as the only doctrine, just as Descartes did in his Meditations (specifically 3 through 5). What about Buddhism, where you REFUSE Buddha in order to find the Buddha(enlightenment) in yourself. (This taken from a Buddhist koan, I'm not Buddhist personally). Any way just pointing out that your premise of Christianity being the "ONLY" way to a "heaven" is false, just like almost all other "only" assertions.
I also always have to laugh how they try to take the moral high ground...
When you here this chad dude talk about "those evil atheists", it's quite clear that the only reason he doesn't rape, kill, curse etc is because he is afraid of ending up in hell. While we "evil atheist" don't do it because... well, it's nice to be nice.
FACT: atheists are not even 1% of prison population.
Actually once saved you never worry about Hell ever ever again in fact it goes like this burdens are lifted at Calvary. Dosen't sound like any fear or worry here
Yes yes. And the flying unicorn will come one day and save us all from the evil atheists and make them all burn in hell for all eternity because god loves us all.
How does that prove anything? Not all religions dwell on judgement before an intercosmic existence who decided what's right and wrong.
Creative story-writing based on semi-authentic events does not make every other religion invalid. And validity of the truth in the bible is a subject you could discuss until you die. Why bother? What if you're reincarnated in the end, gee, what a waste of a lifetime. Ever gave mind to the idea that you might be shooting blanks with your prayers? O.o
Awesome! I find myself constantly defending my beliefs to my atheist and agnostic friends, your videos help me find a better way to explain the truth to them! May God bless you for what you do and all you go through to share the truth!
well then, what if you found a religion that had more than one god? that way, one god could be just, and the other could be merciful, and there's no contradiction. thats where your logic falls apart. what about religions that don't believe that their god is both just and merciful? they dont even have a contradtiction. sorry man, not a very convincing argument.
Its called volition freedom of choice God will not force you to do anything. He does not send us to hell he gives us the rules and we choose to disobey them or not. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve God or the Devil. So by our own choice we choose heaven or hell
11 ¶ For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Where there is not proof, insert faith. Religions depend on faith, because they have no proof whatsoever. All the evidence presented requires great leaps from fact to completely unsubstantiated claims. Eventually, if you run down the philosophical road long enough, you're left with nothing but fallacious arguments supporting religious beliefs. This is why it is not the territory of intellectuals. Agnosticism might not be as "provocative" to some, but it's honest.
Smith is a PHILOSOPHER, NOT a scientist. Atheism is not "faith". Its a lack of belief, nothing more. What I think was before the big bang or what caused it? I DON'T KNOW. But arguing from ignorance, which I think you're about to do, doesn't work.
Your statements are philosophical in nature!!! Let me remind you that a statement "there is no god" is a philosophical statement. DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST LEARN THAT???
Come on buddy lol, you claim the intellectual high here it seems but at rock bottom you just showed you foundation is based ontop of a big fat "I DON'T KNOW"
I knew you were going to say something like "slip out the back door". Scientific EVIDENCE is not philosophical. Philosophy has to do with THINKING. I NEVER said there was no god. Once again with the straw man. Faith concerns belief, not knowledge. I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnostic meaning I don't know and atheist meaning I don't believe there is a god. I don't know if there is a god/gods but I don't believe there is one.
Lol, you explained atheism wrong. It is not merely "belief there is no God" It is the AFFIRMATION there is no God. It comes from the greek letter Alpha (No) theist (God).
You are simply agnostic which is the same word in the Latin for ignoramus meaning a person that "does not know" a.k.a ignorance.
The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), which was derogatively applied to anyone thought to believe in false gods, no gods, or doctrines that stood in conflict with established religions
For the assertion that There is no God is just as much a claim to knowledge as is the assertion that There is a God. Therefore, the former assertion requires justification just as the latter does. It is the agnostic who makes no knowledge claim at all with respect to Gods existence. He confesses that he doesnt know whether there is a God or whether there is no God.
Actually from what Im reading the greek translates directly to "godless, denying the gods, ungodly." So yes atheism means a firm belief that there is no God. There's a lack of belief alright, a 100% lack of.
But then again, it is possible that modern atheism has changed to a "lack of belief in a god." Maybe they're slipping up a bit from 100% disbelief to maybe 98%?
atheism is a lack of belief in a god. that is all. it does not claim to have all the answers. it is not good enough to say "god did it" for everything we do not yet have an answer.
My dear brother..I have read some of the painful comments thus far. I can only conclude this (even before looking at comments): Your video is a confirmation for those of us who are already Christians but with an element for the non believers to convert based on your views. It is not that simple. I am a Christian even after university theology (can easily change ones' mind). I strongly recommend you separate conversion (must site proof) from a good sermon: They do not go hand in hand. Love.
the problem is, where do you get the idea that Jesus on the cross solve your problem? you get it from the bible.
Now, does the bible a valid source? If the author of the bible said that day and night are created before the sun existed, would you rely your fate on what is written in the bible?
If you really want to use logic, try to use it to validate your information source first.
Actually the bible is one of the most "valid sources" of literature of its time. Studies and digs have shown that there are more original copies of the bible than any of Homer's work (the guy that wrote the Illiad, and the Odyssey). Everything in the bible has been proven true, and anyone who has tried to disprove has otherwise been converted (And I don't mean people who ask questions, I mean people who actually try to disprove the word of God).
More "original copies" than Homer's fiction + "everything in the bible has been proven true." Comedy writers couldn't pen arguments as hilariously unfounded. It's "literature," all right, properly filed with The Odyssey and The Iliad under fiction.
Everything in the bible has been proven true? Where is the evidence for the flood? Where is the evidence that the tower of babel happened when we damn well know thats not how languages came about? Oh and what kind of "fish" did Jonah live in?
What evidence of a flood do you need? Have you ever seen a flood? Do things not grow back after a flood has destroyed it? Have you ever googled this stuff?
Well there are digs that prove the tower's existence. How am I supposed to explain God's ways of creating language, if you don't believe in supernatural events then it becomes impossible.
And about the fish- who cares, it was a fish that may or may not exist today. People who believe in evolution could cover that topic.
You baffle me. There would be a layer of sediment if there was a global flood yet we find nothing. The tower of babel story shows that god is not all knowing or omnipresent and that somehow god was threatened by people building a damn tower to the sky when we know damn well heaven is not in the sky.
God very blatantly states throughout the bible that he is a jealous god. And the people who built the tower were trying to be more like him, basically worshipping their creation and God tore it down. And to make sure it never happened again he caused everyone to speak in different tongues.
They were not worshiping another god. They were trying to GET to god. You avoided the fact how the story contradicts the rest of the bible. We know damn well how languages evolved and developed over the centuries.
That's not the exact wording. Where in the bible does it say God is a prick?
God wants us to be everything he created us to be. That tower was created to glorify man and his achievements. God wanted them to realize that what they did, they could only do because of Him. But they didn't give God the credit. How would you respond if someone said their (whatever) was great because they made it, when in reality you provided the ability and materials to make it?
Why do you need an actual bible passage to know your god is a prick? Show me the damn passage that says the tower was to glorify man and his achievements. It was to get to god. And there have been plenty of buildings today that "glorify" man and your sadist god hasn't destroyed.
4Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower(C) with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth."
Genesis Chapter 11
Make a name for ourselves, meaning lets try to be famous and our name as big as God's
Ah but god doesn't destroy the tower because they were proud of themselves. Its because, somehow, god thought they'd reach heaven. Tell me, do you believe heaven is in the sky?
"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven"
If god knew they couldn't reach heaven why give a damn? Your god is a prick for shooting down humans for simply feeling good. "Oh how dare those humans feel good! I will fuck them up because I love them so much!"
Yes its true they felt good and God ruined their fun. But it was for their own good.
A lot of things feel good but just because something feels good doesn't mean its right. God knew they were in danger and were falling to sin (dont ask me to explain sin). So naturally like any loving parent he took away what made them happy, he may not have liked to see them upset, but he knew what was best.
Yeah kind of like killing the world population in the flood, the egyptians with the plagues, etc. Why is pride a sin? Should everyone who wins a sporting event be shot? You are one brainwashed person.
Flood-World ruined by sin, Noah was good, God cleaned up the world and left Noah and his family to start over.
Plagues-Pharaoh wouldn't allow God's people to leave Egypt. Pharaoh was warned that trouble would come. He didn't budge, and God sent the plagues until he allowed the Israelites to leave.
Pride is giving glory to oneself, not acknowledging God as the one who gave you the ability or material to complete your task. Any Christian athlete (and some non-christians) know that what they do is not possible without God's help.
Yes they couldn't do anything without god! But what about the losers? I guess god preferred one over another. And god hardened the pharoh's heart. Apparently your god is such a vain prick he can't let humans do things on their own. Seriously, why do you believe this stuff?
"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image."
God created every beast of the field, and birds of the heaven to be with him in eden. He was bringing Adam animals that already existed. He just created new ones to be there with him.
Plus chapter 2 is saying the same things as chapter 1 just in greater depth as to the story behind man's creation and the creation of eve.
Is this how your brain really works? I have been introduced to insanity.
capoman1 3 weeks ago
This is so twisted. If my dad wanted to pay my bail, I'd let him but only because I could earn money and pay him back. If I did something terrible and the punishment was horrific and my dad said, "don't worry I'll torture and kill your brother instead." I'd tell him to go fuck himself because that's the furthest thing from justice, it's pure evil. Anyone with any integrity would do the same.
richjammcl 1 month ago
well put.
ScienceSplat 1 month ago
Thanks for this.
it's another great example of the damage childhood indoctrination does to a developing mind.
It actually freezes the mind in a permanent child state.
Life long fantasy disorder.
Tragic.
BCT071 2 months ago
Do you believe that god can be both the cause and the caused.
Do you think god can be both the creator and the created.
LostMyReality 3 months ago
Amen!
PROLIFEROCKS70X7 4 months ago
5:00 @ rationalresponder This definitley helped. Definitley! You helped me take one more step to Athiesm. This analogy was ridiculous and embarrassing. For Christianities sake please stop using it on youtube and on your soapbox in HB. I know this video is 2 years old so I am hoping you have done-away with this scripted analogy AND yours and Ray Comforts packaged "What do you call a..." commandments monologue.
mjfraser04 4 months ago
fucking prove it
hempartist420 4 months ago
Jesus never claimed divinity, the trinity is a false doctrine. Silly Christians...
(John 14:6 won't work btw.)
Mark 10:18 Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
John 14:28 You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@deviIstudios Matthew 1:23
23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,”[a] which is translated, “God with us.” John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Jesus is divine. You are in error!
jsong1974 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Thanks for quoting John 8:58 so now I can make you look stupid. Firstly, Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in Greek which isn't even the original Aramaic. Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was in Hebrew. "I am" is not the same as "I am What I am". Did you read verse 59? Jesus was interrupted and fled because the Jews were upset. You also forgot to mention:
8:29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Is the Knowledge of God not eternal? Angels existed before Abraham, are they Gods too?
“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)
Jeremiah is almighty Yahweh as well according to you.
Now time to debunk your other pathetic and common claims. Let's see you refute my initial claims without misquoting from your "Holy" book.
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@jsong1974 QUOTE IN CONTEXT. John 14:7 If you really KNOW me, you will KNOW my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Anyways, that quote is from John's Gospel, which is the last of the four Gospels and differs from the previous ones making it the least authentic. Can you produce that quote from Mark, Luke or Matthew? Didn't think so.
“No one has ever seen God” (John 1:18)
“But," he (God) said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." (Exodus 33:20)
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Until you provide me an explicit statement where Jesus himself says "I am God' or "Worship me", I have no reason to believe he is divine. So I challenge you to show me where he says that. If you can't, then stop putting words in his mouth saying he is God.
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@deviIstudios John 8
23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Mark 2: 5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Every man is a sinner. Jesus Christ was without sin
jsong1974 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Quoting from John is not sufficient, and if you would like, I will show the corruption for you to further weaken your points. Nothing you have quoted has proven that Jesus is God. Are you meaning to tell me that God can't allow one of his creations to perform these things? You also have yet to refute anything I mentioned, I am still waiting. All you have done is continued quoting blindly without considering anything I said. Produce me a quote where Jesus says "I am God". You can't.
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@deviIstudios If you were to stand before God today and He said to you why should I let you into heaven. What would you say?
jsong1974 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Answer my questions and quit running. I have submitted my will to almighty God. I followed what he has revealed through the Final Seal of the Prophets prophecised in John 16:7, John 14:6, John 15:26, Isaiah 29:12, Deuteronomy 18:19 and more. However, you're a fool for thinking God died for your sins.
Quran 2:135 They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I'd rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@deviIstudios
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ u r dead in ur trespasses and sins.
jsong1974 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Wow you are so blind. I agree with everything you quoted. They do not prove a triune God but you are so stupid that you interpret it that way. Now can you stop ignorantly quoting meaningless verses and address the points I mentioned? Also, stop quoting from John's Gospel which is the last of the four and differs the most between Mathew's Mark's and Luke's. You are a blind Christian. Now let me ask you this, did Jesus Christ die on the cross for our sins? Is that how you'll be saved?
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@deviIstudios I gave you the word of God. My final post for a non-believer.
Colossians 2:
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
jsong1974 4 months ago
@jsong1974 No, I am a believer in Jesus Christ the Messiah, and the God that sent him, among many other Prophets. You on the other hand, are a believer in a false doctrine of trinity which became official at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. You follow Paul more than you do Jesus himself. It is your final post because I have embarrassed you and refuted your cherry picking of the Bible. You have addressed NONE of my points and succeeded in making Christians look even more stupid. Good job.
deviIstudios 4 months ago
@deviIstudios 1 Corinthians 2:13-15
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
jsong1974 4 months ago
@jsong1974 Quoting Paul, that man that you follow. You don't follow Yeshua ben Yosef, you follow Paul and his teachings. Jesus taught monotheism along with every messenger before him. Turn and worship Elohim/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah/ the Father! Not his "son" Jesus! Jesus was the Messiah.
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
deviIstudios 4 months ago
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@jsong1974 Quoting Paul, that man that you follow. You don't follow Yeshua ben Yosef, you follow Paul and his teachings. Jesus taught monotheism along with every messenger before him. Turn and worship Elohim/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah/ the Father! Not his "son" Jesus! Jesus was the Messiah.
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
deviIstudios 4 months ago
Thank you for recognizing the contradiction. But how is it 'just' to murder an innocent man for the crimes of a guilty man? Should not the guilty man be punished? And how is it merciful to murder and innocent man because of the crimes of another? Would it not be more merciful for no-one to die at all?
Not to mention, god made the laws. If he didn't want to punish people, why make laws that require punishment in the first place?
Sines314 6 months ago
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@Sines314 The Bible tells us not to shed blood from an innocent man.
smurfboywv 5 months ago
Great video! :-)
smurfboywv 7 months ago
I like the way you explain this and with such passion, not hate towards others, keep on going. However I do not believe it and think it's immoral on so many levels. You have probably heard all of these things and I am tired of arguing about this with people who wont really listen so i'm just gonna say: I believe you can be saved, saved from the cel you call christianity, because you are not an angry christian so you might reason with an atheist, if you can do that, there is hope. grtz
amendolara69 8 months ago
Circular rationality... the bible is right because the bible is right because the bible is right because the bible is right. Its unfair. its wrong. I like to be nice, and debate in a friendly way, but when christians refer to their christian god as being JUST and MERCIFUL it makes me sick. Your rationality that jesus is the only way because he says so?.. That is (forgive me) STUPID. I could say that I am the only way to god, and if you believe it that would be irrational.... same same..
ChrisSpurrier 8 months ago
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you seem to have a lot of pride in your argument
SteamingBurito 8 months ago
Better analogy:
You have never seen your father. Somebody else tells you, based on a book that your father is supposed to have inspired, that you have to love your father and if you don't, you will be tortured. But if you accept the torture and murder of another person in your stead, you are off the hook.
There is nothing just about it. It is an immoral system.
MrFungus420 9 months ago
Atheist: Why is Christianity the only accurate religion?
Theist: Because it is the only one with the solution to the problem?
Atheist: You mean the problem Christianity creates?
Here are some of the hilariously unnecessary assumptions made in this video:
A1: There is one god.
A2: God is just and merciful.
A3: Humans deserve an eternity burning in pain and agony (hell).
A4: God HAD TO send a son to redeem the humans.
How dare you call yourself "rational."
twaallen32 9 months ago
@twaallen32 Well you could see that Christianity started the problem OR that other people started the problem by NOT believing.It all boils down to..
A1:There is one God (if not then we just go in the dirt,athiesm ends here)(Also Chad just pointed out why them other religion systems of Justice and Mercy dont work)
A:2God is real so He HAS to be just and merciful(if not Hes not God)
A:3God is real so His standard is real so also punishment (hell)
A:4God is real so then,Christ HAD TO come
TheCh1212 8 months ago
@TheCh1212
You do realize that you just restated the unnecessary assumptions, right?
Usually an intelligent response includes a justification of assumptions, but you just restated them as if I would accept them after repetition.
Next time respond with an intelligent response.
twaallen32 8 months ago
@TheCh1212 I laughed when I saw this response. How do you know there is one god? How do you know he is real? Having read the bible, how can you believe he is either just or merciful? Do you think torture is moral? How about eternal torture for not believing something based on lack of evidence? As for the last one, even assuming god is real, and that a Christ had to come, how do you know it's Jesus? Just take a day off work and read everything on atheists d0t org, remembering it's all cited fact.
booyahbd 7 months ago
@booyahbd1. Because God isnt made by hands or metal human design.2.From experience 3.He's just because He will punish all the wicked,He's merciful because while we hated God,He loved us so much He died for us 4.I dont have to believe if its moral or not,its not my punishment to give,its His 5 There is evidence all around us,the Bible,Creation,the Conscience. Because if God is real then only God could have let Jesus become the Great Name that is used for Him today.And its never going away either.
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@TheCh1212 I don't even know where to start correcting you, but I'll hear you out if you have solid evidence of god. What proves god's existence?
booyahbd 7 months ago
@booyahbd Well we could go thru the conscience and creation but i think the most neccessary thing that you couldnt debate me on is experience. There is so many promises in the Bible,its funny how people debate scripture vs scripture or theology when they could just try out what Jesus said. Ask,Seek,Knock (Matthew 7:7-10) If you repent from your sins (the ones you violated,the Ten Commandments) and Put your faith and trust in the Savior He WILL reveal himself to you,He'll change your heart.
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@TheCh1212 Creationism has been proven false with evolution, something easily observed in nature that has been solidified as scientific theory. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by conscience... the brain functioning perhaps? You didn't really present any evidence at all, just saying that I have to take your word for it and believe for no (presented) reason. If you actually have some evidence that isn't your own creation, please share it. Otherwise you might want to peruse that atheist site.
booyahbd 7 months ago
@booyahbd i didnt say that for me my friend i said for YOU to do it. Repent and turn from your sin (the ones you broke,the Ten Commandments and deserving Hell) and put your trust in the Savior who is the only way to save you. YOU DO THAT,and He WILL reveal Himself to you,give you a new heart with new desires :)
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@TheCh1212 I haven't broken any of the ten commandments, and you still haven't given me any proof that a god exists. If I force myself to believe something, guess what? I'm going to believe it. That would prove god a creation of the mind. The simple fact is there is no credible source for christianity (or most religions for that matter), and many actual facts directly contradict it. I'm just going to tell you at this point: read the facts from that website. I read yours.
booyahbd 7 months ago
@booyahbd i will go to that site :) but first i must ask, You have never lied(even white lies),stolen(regardless of value),disobeyed your parents even once? ,Jesus said if you look upon someone with lust you've committed adultery with them in your heart. If you have broken even just one of these your a law breaker and what you did is called sin. Sin deserves death and death without atonement for sins deserves Hell but while you were guilty,Jesus came and paid that fine,now your free,make sense?
TheCh1212 7 months ago
@TheCh1212 Dishonoring your parents is going way further than disobeying them. The closest thing in the commandments to lying is "bearing false witness against your neighbor." I can honestly say I've never testified to falsely convict my neighbor of something. I'm familiar with the christian story (baptized lutheran, raised catholic). I love how all of these theistic events seized to occur after the writing of the scripture. Is the 2k year lull coincidence, or reality?
booyahbd 7 months ago
What about the other son of the judge that came before me? Why didn't he give him 5000 in cash?
There must be an answer for that
OmegaYeahns 9 months ago
Guys, really? Just because you don't have the same beliefs doesn't mean you need to be immature.
treasuredroperX 9 months ago
So Jesus suffered for a couple of days on the cross, . ..I'm not impressed.
Go visit a children's hospital and visit children suffering for years with Cancer Then you'll see what real suffering is
rbound827 10 months ago
@rbound827 His suffering was showing His love on humanity so that through His death and resurrection we can be SAVED from death and can lean on Him when suffering. God being love and everything good came down to a world full of darkness to live and die for us even though HE DIDNT DESERVE IT,thats pretty impressive to me my friend.
This world is only Temporary
TheCh1212 7 months ago
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rbound827 7 months ago
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@TheCh1212 Great- Sacrifice someone who wasn't deserving of death. Nice god you worship my friend. And by the way, the idea of sacrificing something to the gods as sins of the tribe have been around for thousands of years before yeshua ( jesus). Christianity and the story of Jesus is a mixture of many older religions- its not actually real- if it wasn't for Emperor Constantine you'd be worshiping Mithra
rbound827 7 months ago
God is a fucking prick...holding a grudge this long against humanity. Grow up you piece of shit. I'll never praise you because i dont give a SHIT what you "did" for me. Sending yourself to die for yourself for the sin you created. Your a piece of shit, I'll gladly accept my punishment by going to hell if it means I'm further away from your grudge holding ass. I deny the existence of the father, son, and holy spirit. Well guess i can't be saved now... damn I'm so sad
aRchEneMy543 10 months ago
@aRchEneMy543 Can you point to the verse that says God created sin? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance.
filoIII 9 months ago
@filoIII can you point to another historical document other then the bible that can cross reference the claim that your god created the universe? And that jesus christ was in fact the son of god (this reference again being outside of the bible). And can your prove with 100% accuracy that your god is the true god and every other religion that came before and after is a lie? Get back to me when you have that answer...
aRchEneMy543 9 months ago
@aRchEneMy543 Let's deal w/ the question I posed to you, then we can continue. Either you mistakenly forgot to answer my question about the claim you made or it was purposeful. Which was it, and please answer my question first?
filoIII 9 months ago
So let me get this straight... God creates me imperfectly, and blames ME for his incompetence unless I apologize?
That's absurd!
0pteryx 11 months ago 2
Guess who's back! Well I just refuted this video by using your own holy book on my show OpenAirAtheist. I'm waiting for your response. As my rabbi friend would say shabot shalom ,have a nice day.
jstillwell1980 11 months ago
I understand all the Christian logic, but there is a problem w/ Christianity too! first they follow Pauline scripture, not really Yeshua's. Second they also are in Babylon(Christmass,Easter,ect.) They need to also come out of the roman Catholic PAGAN ways! from Nimrod or they will receive of her plagues.
mattandpatti222 1 year ago
This is all assuming god exists, first off. Second. You claim Jesus is the only way to explain God's mercy. First off, this ALSO assumes that Jesus WAS God, or the son of god, whatever you might believe about him. You literally can't say this is logic when you have to literally ASSUME things to be true in order for your logic to work.
Now. Jesus is NOT the only messiah across all religions. So really, your logic could really be used for most other religions xD.
BigLundi 1 year ago
Why do people believe in Religion? I don't get it, what is the point
crackwhen 1 year ago
@crackwhen You mean the belief in God? Well, sometime just try thinking to yourself, how did this world come into existance? Something had to come together in order for things to work out the way they did. We have a perfect sized planet, a survivable climate, fresh air, water to drink, and food to sustain life here. The mathamatical odds of this happening out of a "big bang" are impossible. And if there was a big bang, how did that all start? Everyone knows you can't get something out of nothing
DanSVT03 1 year ago
@DanSVT03, NO, you believe in god because you are afraid of death, so you delude yourself by pathetically trying to come up with a reason to live forever. You are afraid of not existing. That frightens you doesnt it?
crackwhen 1 year ago
@crackwhen No, I believe in God because I know he exists. I'm not sitting here "deluding" myself and pretending that their is a God, all because I'm scared of death and want to comfort myself. I believe in God because being an athiest makes absolutely NO SENSE and defies all logic. You believe in things which contradict eachother. Call me crazy, but I believe in things that are certain. Don't try to pass judgement on me dude... You don't know who you're talking to.
DanSVT03 1 year ago
@DanSVT03, Pretending to know things to which no one can can know is deluded. How can you possibly know for a fact that god exists if you have never seen "God", Atheist dont have similar beliefs, we are not a group of people who share idelogies, We simply dont believe in the existence of god because there is no evidence to suggest that god does exist.
crackwhen 1 year ago
@crackwhen There is PLENTY of evidence to support God's existance. Unfortunately I can't write it all in 500 characters or less. I am not "pretending" to believe in God. I simply wondered if there was a God or not, I did my research, and I found the answer. You keep saying there is "no evidence" that God exists. It's all a few key strokes away dude... This planet didn't simply pop into existance from nothing, and neither did the universe.
DanSVT03 1 year ago
@DanSVT03, Well, Where is your evidence for your deity? You cannot use the logic of we exist, therefore something or someone must have created us; Evolution, natural selection, and the bing bang are far better explanations for the way things are
crackwhen 1 year ago
@crackwhen Oh really? And what would have created the big bang? I am very confident I can use logic here, because as I said before, you cannot have something created out of nothing. How is this at all possible to you? You're saying the big bang is a far better explaination for the way things are. Explain to me what could have triggered the big bang? Are you saying that we can have something created out of nothing? Not exactly sure what your stance is here...
DanSVT03 1 year ago
@DanSVT03, Fine, the explanation behind what could have caused the big bang is hazy to say the least, but regardless, I am NOT the one that has the burden of proof on my shoulders; you are the one claiming that an all powerful being in the sky created everything, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF for your claim?
crackwhen 1 year ago
@crackwhen I'm talking to you right now about my proof. My argument about the big bang isn't to determine what specifically could have made it happen, but rather the idea that everything in existance, every peice of matter, had to be created somehow. It did not all just pop into existance out of thin air. Something created the matter that makes up our world... Just try thinking about any possible source besides God, and it will soon start to make your head spin like it did mine.
DanSVT03 1 year ago
@DanSVT03, Once again, you are resorting back to the fallacy that something cannot come from nothing, which isnt even needed in this argument; Just because something cant be explained at this present day doesnt mean it doesnt have an answer; you are using God as an excuse for your lack of knowledge; I am not calling you ignorant, or dumb; I or anyone else alive right now dont know the secrets of the cosmos either
crackwhen 1 year ago
@DanSVT03 please do not use the "poofed into existance argument" if you can't provide an explanation of the creation of your god because your using the EXACT same argument. You are SOO close-minded if you think everything thing in the known universe was created by one guy sitting up in the clouds. Is is so wrong to wonder if something else besides this deeply flawed and contradicted story of "god" created everything? Fucking gtfo with your backward ass logic
aRchEneMy543 9 months ago
What father would let a child be a victim of a crime?
No decent father would. But only an especially wicked father would make it a crime to be born and then threaten to punish his children for it unless they worship him without question.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
@morganbutterfly I'm sorry to tell you this, as I'm not sure you'll understand, but in fact if there is a man who has read the bible on youtube, it is this man. Now I don't mean to say you are stupid, thats not what I'm saying at all. To come to terms with this belief is somewhat hard in this day and age. You have to understand that at the root of all God's justice is love. What Father would let a child be the victim of a crime? Yet what Father would allow his children to commit that same crime?
ThePat6451 1 year ago
So, punishing David`s kid for what David did is OK?
JPWMT 1 year ago
Christianity is the only way
It is simple.
newworldboss 1 year ago
@newworldboss No, there are many ways to retardation.
JPWMT 1 year ago
@newworldboss The only way to what? What is simple? I find 'simple' to be trusting in God directly, so middle-men needed.
k0smon 1 year ago
I've said this before but I'll say it again: in no just system can a father judge a child in a court of law otherwisw the entire thing is a farce. You do know that if a judge is appointed a case that implicates a family member s/he is immediately removed from it, right?
Nocturnalux 1 year ago 2
@Nocturnalux ... you just woke up from a nap .... huh?
BEreadyJESUSiscoming 1 year ago
John 3:16
baSSxCC 1 year ago
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baSSxCC 1 year ago
Have you ever read the Bible? I am going to say, you have not. If that god doesn't deal in contradictions, he most certainly is a hypocrite. What kind of god kills his own son. Besides, "God loved the world so much that he sacrificed his only begotten son to atone for your sins." BTW, by the way you tell your version of the story, you make it seem as though god looked at Jesus in pure disgust.
morganbutterfly 1 year ago
@morganbutterfly Jesus didn't get murdered! He chose this! You should be grateful for that, love is almost extinct on earth nowadays, ADHD, Autism, Alzheimer, Cancer, Allergies despite that we eat so much better than in the 60s. Thats whats happen when you eat mans chemicals and not Gods natural Food. Jesus is a very strong precense, he is a POWERFUL GUY, not only weak 'belief'. What good would 'belief' in a guy who died for us, be in a dangerous situation? Thats where Jesus steps in and ROAR.
mozzrt 1 year ago
rationalresponder is a butt hurt faggot, this video is garbage
xRottenCorpsex 1 year ago
Well done.
djemil5 1 year ago
cont....two are mutually exclusive. Furthermore, you cannot say he is then not these things and instead beyond our comprehension. You cannot do this because you would then hardly even be making a claim, it would be like saying x exists, but I don't know what it is. Furthermore, if you do know what it is you're claiming, then you most certainly cannot claim to know anything about it's nature or it's participation in universal events, and there are a countless number of these claims in the bible.
logicalmind4 1 year ago
one of them is this: god is defined as omnipotent and omniscient. So by necessity, he must know everything, and be able to do anything and everything. This means that he must be able to create something which he has no knowledge of, but this would make him not omniscient. However, if he did know about it, he would not be able to do everything, and is therefore not omnipotent. To cover any loopholes you may try to use, he can not be both in a state of knowing and not knowing because the......cont
logicalmind4 1 year ago
cont...that the judge took the punishment of the criminal. Furthermore, by the bible's own admission, those who are not Christian will go to hell. This is by no means just, it would be like a judge condemning everyone but their son, even if their son is obviously a delinquent. these are not traits of a just god, and Jesus dying on the cross does not create a new kind of justice, you can not use it as a loophole, because it still isn't just. Furthermore, there are many contradictions of god..cont
logicalmind4 1 year ago
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logicalmind4 1 year ago
Three big problems...
One: you haven't actually solved the contradiction. Two: you haven't solved many of the other contradictions. Three: most importantly, you don't in any way support your claims at all. Firstly, the contradiction is not solved through Christ because it is unjust. using the same judge analogy, it is fair for a criminal to be punished no matter what anyone does, it is actually more unfair to bestow the punishment upon someone else who does not deserve it. It was not just..cont
logicalmind4 1 year ago
I don't think I deserve etenal damnation. Frankly I find you God (if he does exist) to be spiteful, vengeful, jealous, and ultimately the source of all evil. We would be better off not being created at all if your God existed.
DieFatorLiveThin 1 year ago
I have one question rationalresponder:
What do you assume the creator of the universe (if there is one) is both merciful and just?
braskasguardian 2 years ago
God created evil and damned humanity for it, that's a big contradiction. Hell has also been drastically malformed by modern bible translations, none of the original words used for hell in the bible meant a place of torture, fire and brimstone or anything like that. Christians can prove nothing in their faith, half barely know anything besides what they want to believe. Christianity isnt the only religion, and isnt the right way, its just the easy well known way.
TheHellBound666 2 years ago
I work out the contradiction by burring my head in the sand, and ignoring the logic my mind reflects from that little voice bellowing from the depths of my soul, "We are not separate from God! Have no fear of hell, as it's only there to scare you into joining a religion and paying tithe! Heaven is WITHIN us all - NOW..."
PrecisionIntermedia 2 years ago
like that would really happen! lol Bad example. Do you know who wrote the book. PEOPLE. I don't see that as a good moral if he sends you to hell if you don't believe in him. Very unfair for any other religion. People die allot more painful deaths, than Jesus went threw. Also you know what else I don't like about Christianity. It says to like my enemies. you can like your enemies when they hang you on the cross. Or think rationally, know they dont like you!
darknam 2 years ago
wow, this was one of the more brilliant videos you fabricated. i mean addressing two prevalent religions rather than a few other less "orthodox" religions (hinduism, mormonsim, etc) was what convinced me. and concluding islam has 2 premises concerning god that contradict eachother (which i guess would mean allah doesnt exist, remember god doesnt live in an illogical world otherwise he's useless.) bravo man, bravo
momotigomo 2 years ago
but this example is only if you think there is a heaven and a hell. and a god. Christianity be the only way, what if there is no god. faith is a bad excuse. but even if there is a god, what if there is no heaven and hell.. you can just live your life and justice is served by the circle of life 0 you do a bad thing, it balances itself out when something bad happens to you. vice versa.
boobtbam 2 years ago
Wow! This was the single most pig headed video I've ever seen... You got some balls talking shit on how atheists think they are all knowing... You seem to think you are all knowing... "Jesus is the only way" Not only is that pig headed it's nuts. If god were out there I would hope he/she/it wouldn't be as stupid as all of the religions think. If I pick the wrong one I'm hellbound? Seems dumb. I don't get how so many people in this day and age believe in hell. A place where fire burns w/o oxygen.
FatherOfOden 2 years ago
You're already assuming Christian doctrine as the only doctrine, just as Descartes did in his Meditations (specifically 3 through 5). What about Buddhism, where you REFUSE Buddha in order to find the Buddha(enlightenment) in yourself. (This taken from a Buddhist koan, I'm not Buddhist personally). Any way just pointing out that your premise of Christianity being the "ONLY" way to a "heaven" is false, just like almost all other "only" assertions.
XTimes3GreaterThanU 2 years ago
only atheism is right way. god is dangerous delusion.
hyakintos 2 years ago
"The Christian God is cruel,vindictive, capricious and unjust" - Thomas Jefferson
ld871111 2 years ago
So letting someone taking the hit for you is an admirable action that exempts you from guilt and punishment?
JTP82 2 years ago
Lol, my thoughts exactly.
I also always have to laugh how they try to take the moral high ground...
When you here this chad dude talk about "those evil atheists", it's quite clear that the only reason he doesn't rape, kill, curse etc is because he is afraid of ending up in hell. While we "evil atheist" don't do it because... well, it's nice to be nice.
FACT: atheists are not even 1% of prison population.
dxrocker69 2 years ago
Actually once saved you never worry about Hell ever ever again in fact it goes like this burdens are lifted at Calvary. Dosen't sound like any fear or worry here
klowies 2 years ago
Yes yes. And the flying unicorn will come one day and save us all from the evil atheists and make them all burn in hell for all eternity because god loves us all.
dxrocker69 2 years ago
you are delusional
dvlak3000 2 years ago
Brainwashed moron
vgk12345 2 years ago
Christianity means:
1. We are all Incest.
2. There is Reincarnation.
3. There are ghosts
4. There are elementals (parting the red sea/ walking on water)
5. "A senior citizen Built an Arche and rounded up 2 of every animal"
I could go on, but I wont waste my time. Christianity is one of the least factual religions in the world.
Foxia12 2 years ago
How does that prove anything? Not all religions dwell on judgement before an intercosmic existence who decided what's right and wrong.
Creative story-writing based on semi-authentic events does not make every other religion invalid. And validity of the truth in the bible is a subject you could discuss until you die. Why bother? What if you're reincarnated in the end, gee, what a waste of a lifetime. Ever gave mind to the idea that you might be shooting blanks with your prayers? O.o
Limbajoe 2 years ago
this is why im not christian. people like this guy puts me off the religion... plus the bible is full of shit.
ivekilledbefore 2 years ago
Brainwashed moron
TheInvaderBN 2 years ago
Awesome! I find myself constantly defending my beliefs to my atheist and agnostic friends, your videos help me find a better way to explain the truth to them! May God bless you for what you do and all you go through to share the truth!
BrittanyDeNoble 2 years ago
u r stupid and who the fuck r u to tell people wuts right and wuts wrong?
OneEyedPoker 2 years ago
Nice clear analolgy of the father also being the son or daughter's Judge. I pray that the Lord uses it to get the attention of many unbelievers.
MichaelDKaster
reveroni2 2 years ago 4
@reveroni2 if you think thats a good "a-n-a-l-o-g-y" then your as dumb as this guy
aRchEneMy543 10 months ago
well then, what if you found a religion that had more than one god? that way, one god could be just, and the other could be merciful, and there's no contradiction. thats where your logic falls apart. what about religions that don't believe that their god is both just and merciful? they dont even have a contradtiction. sorry man, not a very convincing argument.
bradthompson86 2 years ago
Dr. Martin was a evolutionist this is what he discovered go to explorationfilms scroll down to free audio and video.
klowies 2 years ago
Its called volition freedom of choice God will not force you to do anything. He does not send us to hell he gives us the rules and we choose to disobey them or not. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve God or the Devil. So by our own choice we choose heaven or hell
klowies 2 years ago
Wrong. What about people who never knew about your god or follow another? According to the muslims you will go to hell.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
11 ¶ For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
klowies 2 years ago
Great Video & right brother, keep spreading the good news of the gospel, G-d bless all that you do for Him.
Jerry Herrera
MrJmsvr7 2 years ago 3
Great message chad, you present gospel clearly, and decribe how Gods justice & mercy come together in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
4goodnews1 2 years ago
to Nodgerelle > mumbo jumbo jumbo, look around you! proof everywhere!
4goodnews1 2 years ago
to AmericanNohbuddy you have got to be kidding!> literally LOL, are the little green men your neighbors too?
4goodnews1 2 years ago
4goodnews1, why don't you actually do a reply so I know you're talking to me? And I don't know what you're talking about so enlighten me.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Where there is not proof, insert faith. Religions depend on faith, because they have no proof whatsoever. All the evidence presented requires great leaps from fact to completely unsubstantiated claims. Eventually, if you run down the philosophical road long enough, you're left with nothing but fallacious arguments supporting religious beliefs. This is why it is not the territory of intellectuals. Agnosticism might not be as "provocative" to some, but it's honest.
Nodgerelli 2 years ago
AmericanNohbuddy:
WOW!!!! You are naive:
"the most reasonable belief is that we came from nothing, by nothing, and for nothing"
Quentin Smith Leading Atheist and professor of philosophy
rationalresponder 2 years ago
Smith is a PHILOSOPHER, NOT a scientist. Atheism is not "faith". Its a lack of belief, nothing more. What I think was before the big bang or what caused it? I DON'T KNOW. But arguing from ignorance, which I think you're about to do, doesn't work.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
AmericanNohbuddy:
Awh...trying to slip out the back door now huh??
"Philosopher not scientist"
Your statements are philosophical in nature!!! Let me remind you that a statement "there is no god" is a philosophical statement. DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST LEARN THAT???
Come on buddy lol, you claim the intellectual high here it seems but at rock bottom you just showed you foundation is based ontop of a big fat "I DON'T KNOW"
That is quite some faith you exercise.
rationalresponder 2 years ago
I knew you were going to say something like "slip out the back door". Scientific EVIDENCE is not philosophical. Philosophy has to do with THINKING. I NEVER said there was no god. Once again with the straw man. Faith concerns belief, not knowledge. I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnostic meaning I don't know and atheist meaning I don't believe there is a god. I don't know if there is a god/gods but I don't believe there is one.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
AmericanNOBuddy:
Lol, you explained atheism wrong. It is not merely "belief there is no God" It is the AFFIRMATION there is no God. It comes from the greek letter Alpha (No) theist (God).
You are simply agnostic which is the same word in the Latin for ignoramus meaning a person that "does not know" a.k.a ignorance.
rationalresponder 2 years ago
you have it wrong. atheism is the lack of belief in a god.
thisissick22 2 years ago
The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), which was derogatively applied to anyone thought to believe in false gods, no gods, or doctrines that stood in conflict with established religions
thisissick22 2 years ago
thisissick22:
For the assertion that There is no God is just as much a claim to knowledge as is the assertion that There is a God. Therefore, the former assertion requires justification just as the latter does. It is the agnostic who makes no knowledge claim at all with respect to Gods existence. He confesses that he doesnt know whether there is a God or whether there is no God.
-Dr. William Lane Craig Professor of Philosophy
rationalresponder 2 years ago
Dude... give it a rest. Arguing about words instead of content is like running in the special olympics: even if you win, you're still a retard.
Get it in your thick skull: when today people say they are atheist they mean "I see no reason to believe in god". Period.
They do not say "there is definatly no god". They say "I see no reason to believe in god".
And that is absolutely correct. In a skeptic scientific view, there's no reason to believe in god.
dxrocker69 2 years ago
Actually from what Im reading the greek translates directly to "godless, denying the gods, ungodly." So yes atheism means a firm belief that there is no God. There's a lack of belief alright, a 100% lack of.
But then again, it is possible that modern atheism has changed to a "lack of belief in a god." Maybe they're slipping up a bit from 100% disbelief to maybe 98%?
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
AmericanNObuddy:
So anyways....It is a real simple question I am asking you. Based off of your understanding of science do you believe:
The universe always existed?
or,
Began to exist?
I am sorry but "I DON'T KNOW" doesn't fly far with me when it comes from an atheist that makes the affirmative claim "there is no God"
You are not atheist bro...you are simply agnostic...sorry I know it doesn't quite have the same provocative ring to it.
rationalresponder 2 years ago
I believe this universe began with the big bang. And before that I believe that Primus from Transformers created everything.
Gnosticism concerns KNOWLEDGE, NOT belief.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
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4goodnews1 2 years ago
to AmericanNohbuddy just to let U know what you said about "Primus from transformers created everything" Too funny!! ( little green men talk) LOL
4goodnews1 2 years ago
Yeah, I was joking :/
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
atheism is a lack of belief in a god. that is all. it does not claim to have all the answers. it is not good enough to say "god did it" for everything we do not yet have an answer.
thisissick22 2 years ago
My dear brother..I have read some of the painful comments thus far. I can only conclude this (even before looking at comments): Your video is a confirmation for those of us who are already Christians but with an element for the non believers to convert based on your views. It is not that simple. I am a Christian even after university theology (can easily change ones' mind). I strongly recommend you separate conversion (must site proof) from a good sermon: They do not go hand in hand. Love.
ProfesorXavier13 2 years ago
PRAISE JESUS!
josiahdallas 2 years ago
hehehe...
the problem is, where do you get the idea that Jesus on the cross solve your problem? you get it from the bible.
Now, does the bible a valid source? If the author of the bible said that day and night are created before the sun existed, would you rely your fate on what is written in the bible?
If you really want to use logic, try to use it to validate your information source first.
fadijay 2 years ago
Actually the bible is one of the most "valid sources" of literature of its time. Studies and digs have shown that there are more original copies of the bible than any of Homer's work (the guy that wrote the Illiad, and the Odyssey). Everything in the bible has been proven true, and anyone who has tried to disprove has otherwise been converted (And I don't mean people who ask questions, I mean people who actually try to disprove the word of God).
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
More "original copies" than Homer's fiction + "everything in the bible has been proven true." Comedy writers couldn't pen arguments as hilariously unfounded. It's "literature," all right, properly filed with The Odyssey and The Iliad under fiction.
Nodgerelli 2 years ago
Everything in the bible has been proven true? Where is the evidence for the flood? Where is the evidence that the tower of babel happened when we damn well know thats not how languages came about? Oh and what kind of "fish" did Jonah live in?
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
What evidence of a flood do you need? Have you ever seen a flood? Do things not grow back after a flood has destroyed it? Have you ever googled this stuff?
Well there are digs that prove the tower's existence. How am I supposed to explain God's ways of creating language, if you don't believe in supernatural events then it becomes impossible.
And about the fish- who cares, it was a fish that may or may not exist today. People who believe in evolution could cover that topic.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
You baffle me. There would be a layer of sediment if there was a global flood yet we find nothing. The tower of babel story shows that god is not all knowing or omnipresent and that somehow god was threatened by people building a damn tower to the sky when we know damn well heaven is not in the sky.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
God very blatantly states throughout the bible that he is a jealous god. And the people who built the tower were trying to be more like him, basically worshipping their creation and God tore it down. And to make sure it never happened again he caused everyone to speak in different tongues.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
They were not worshiping another god. They were trying to GET to god. You avoided the fact how the story contradicts the rest of the bible. We know damn well how languages evolved and developed over the centuries.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Yeah but through the process they started getting cocky thinking "hey look how great we are" and God didn't like that, and boom tower destroyed.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Where in the story does it say they were cocky? So god doesn't want us to think we are good or worth while? Your god is a complete prick.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
That's not the exact wording. Where in the bible does it say God is a prick?
God wants us to be everything he created us to be. That tower was created to glorify man and his achievements. God wanted them to realize that what they did, they could only do because of Him. But they didn't give God the credit. How would you respond if someone said their (whatever) was great because they made it, when in reality you provided the ability and materials to make it?
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Why do you need an actual bible passage to know your god is a prick? Show me the damn passage that says the tower was to glorify man and his achievements. It was to get to god. And there have been plenty of buildings today that "glorify" man and your sadist god hasn't destroyed.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
4Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower(C) with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth."
Genesis Chapter 11
Make a name for ourselves, meaning lets try to be famous and our name as big as God's
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Ah but god doesn't destroy the tower because they were proud of themselves. Its because, somehow, god thought they'd reach heaven. Tell me, do you believe heaven is in the sky?
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Where does it say that God feared they would reach heaven?
No, heaven is not a place you can reach physically. Heaven is a place not of this world. Sky-thats part of this world. Heaven-notofthisworld.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven"
If god knew they couldn't reach heaven why give a damn? Your god is a prick for shooting down humans for simply feeling good. "Oh how dare those humans feel good! I will fuck them up because I love them so much!"
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Yes its true they felt good and God ruined their fun. But it was for their own good.
A lot of things feel good but just because something feels good doesn't mean its right. God knew they were in danger and were falling to sin (dont ask me to explain sin). So naturally like any loving parent he took away what made them happy, he may not have liked to see them upset, but he knew what was best.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Yeah kind of like killing the world population in the flood, the egyptians with the plagues, etc. Why is pride a sin? Should everyone who wins a sporting event be shot? You are one brainwashed person.
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Flood-World ruined by sin, Noah was good, God cleaned up the world and left Noah and his family to start over.
Plagues-Pharaoh wouldn't allow God's people to leave Egypt. Pharaoh was warned that trouble would come. He didn't budge, and God sent the plagues until he allowed the Israelites to leave.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Pride is giving glory to oneself, not acknowledging God as the one who gave you the ability or material to complete your task. Any Christian athlete (and some non-christians) know that what they do is not possible without God's help.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Yes they couldn't do anything without god! But what about the losers? I guess god preferred one over another. And god hardened the pharoh's heart. Apparently your god is such a vain prick he can't let humans do things on their own. Seriously, why do you believe this stuff?
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Why do you not believe it?
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Because...
1. the bible contradicts itself
2. there is no evidence for a god
3. the bible has scientific nonsense
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
How does the bible contradict itself?
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)
"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image."
Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone.."
AmericanNohbuddy 2 years ago
Did you read the whole passage???
God created every beast of the field, and birds of the heaven to be with him in eden. He was bringing Adam animals that already existed. He just created new ones to be there with him.
Plus chapter 2 is saying the same things as chapter 1 just in greater depth as to the story behind man's creation and the creation of eve.
Not0fThisWorld 2 years ago
Yes I read the whole passage but it wouldn't fit in the comment.
"And the LORD God said, It is not good