Paleodiet criticizes Raw Food diet as "not optimal"

[werewasyo]

absolutely horrible audio gave me a headache

[NuclearNympho]

Mark Sisson looks good for his age, I know he works his ass off to keep his 6 back stomach...but he does have a mineral deficiency...all the 100% raw vegans I know that are in his age group do NOT have grey hair, or at least not so much grey hair...and NO they don't color their hair...Animal products are as bad as cooked carbs ( like wheat, Corn, etc.) they are rich in endogenous AGEs (advanced glycation end-product ~ meaning makes you age much much faster!!!)...

[Lakkhesis1976]

@NuclearNympho Sisson is still mostly blonde with some salt and pepper at his temples. He's pushing 60. 

[earthisonecountry]

@Lakkhesis1976 He loves his coffee,protein powders,his wife and her parents are all vegetarians!

[earthisonecountry]

@NuclearNympho Durianrider has debunked him many times

[TheChertron]

I agree with the bias for the china study. These parts of china do still eat meat, but only in small amounts. say 2-3 times a week. The meat is also locally raised, killed , prepared in healthier fashion with vegetables and herbs. Most of the meat is fish based, pork fat is used rarely in the broth but not the meat, chicken rarely eaten, and the rest is healthy veggies and fruit.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@TheChertron The China Study does more to support a diet like Sisson's than it supports raw veganism. By FAR.

[earthisonecountry]

@Lakkhesis1976 How does it support a diet like Sisson's!? When it does not even support the eating of meat!

[Lakkhesis1976]

@earthisonecountry Oh dear, yet another China Study lovin' vegan who doesn't understand the difference between Campbell's diet book and the ACTUAL China Study. They are two different things. The ACTUAL China Study examined populations who ALL ate animal products in various percentages, and while it showed that high intake of plant foods was beneficial to health, it did not show that animal foods are harmful because everyone in the study ate them.

[Lakkhesis1976]

Thus, the China Study supports a diet that is high in plant based foods with a modest intake of animal foods. Which is, pretty much, Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint to a T.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@Lakkhesis1976 You should really get more informed because the two diets are not similar.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 You should really get more informed because every single person data was collected on in the China Study ATE ANIMAL PRODUCTS.

[earthisonecountry]

@Lakkhesis1976 Is this why the author recommends a diet based only based on plant foods.Of course it shows that animal foods are harmful you are talking absolute nonsense.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@earthisonecountry Oh. My. Lord. The original raw data, i.e.. THE China Study, is based on populations who ALL eat animal products in varying quantities. What it seems to show, WITHOUT having been peer-reviewed (which is a pretty critical step in producing a legitimate population study) is that the more plants one eats, the healthier one is. This DOESN'T mean NO animal food. And Campbell's DIET BOOK is an interpretation of that raw data. AGAIN, not peer reviewed. YOU are nonsense.

[earthisonecountry]

@Lakkhesis1976 It's Dr Campbell to YOU! What you need to take away with you and learn from all this, is that the good Dr based on his extensive research and findings has advocated a plant based diet for the betterment of mankind.If you can't see that then all what you said above is NONSENSE.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@earthisonecountry That's where you're so wrong. I don't doubt that Campbell is trying to help people, but he wrote a lie of a piece in order to prove his hypothesis and didn't even get any of his colleagues to review and verify it because he made so much up, and omitted so much data. BE A VEGAN, I don't care, but quit pretending that the China Study is science backing you up.

[earthisonecountry]

@Lakkhesis1976 Of course it is science get a grip of yourself.We are living in special times eventually animals will stop being eaten and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@earthisonecountry OK. So to you, science = one guys theory presented with no substance, proof or review. Awesome.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@Lakkhesis1976 Go to a slaughter house you unnatural and unloved man. Killing animals doesn't improve our health it makes it worse, all it does is perpetuate suffering and evil. What are you arguing for?

[Lakkhesis1976]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 First of all, I'm not a 'man' as you have assumed, but a woman. As for 'slaughterhouses', the meat producers I buy from use very small, family run abattoirs rather than the horror-factories you watch on on your precious PETA propaganda. And I DON'T EAT MUCH MEAT. You don't need to, and you're not doing your body any favours by gorging on it. But small amounts are critical for human health.

I'm 'arguing' because people like yourselves are making grave errors.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@Lakkhesis1976 Small amounts are critically to health. Let's turn to tables on that one and you show me some evidence for this. This is simply untrue. All slaughter is the same you unnatural and unloved woman however much you try and convince yourself otherwise.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 There's no point attempting to have a rational debate with someone so judgemental and rigidly attached to their cause as to call a stranger 'unloved' and 'unnatural'. I don't CARE what you eat, just quit pretending that your choice is conducive to health.

[earthisonecountry]

@Lakkhesis1976 Science has already shown proved that what grows out of the ground is the diet intended for man.This has nothing to do with Dr Campbells individual findings,although he has proof,substance,peer reviews and much more.

So who has more authority to speak on nutrition,a little school girl like Denise minger or the good Dr? Wake up or go and stuff a dead animal back in ur gub.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@earthisonecountry PLEASE tell me how science has 'proven' this?

PLEASE show me Campbell's actual proof and peer reviews.

Minger has never claimed to be a nutrition authority. She understands research studies and how to smell a rat. She has proven that Campbell does not play the science game. He manipulates and omits data in order to 'prove' his hypothesis, and this is not science.

I don't gorge on animal flesh. I eat small but vital amounts of animal foods as part of a varied diet.

[ramenbender]

:D What if there was a fusion of Paleo and Raw? Lots of good raw foods with a good portion of meat without the grains dairy or legumes? I'd try that <3.

[Tupoc4181]

@ramenbender Does it have to be named before you try it? Call it the raw fusion diet. THere you go. It exhists. Go try it.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@ramenbender Paleo pretty much IS lots of good, raw foods with meat, minus grains, dairy and legumes. It's just vegan preachers on the web who make out as though it's a meat gorge. Both paleo and primal diets recommend high amounts of healthy plant foods. BTW, you don't need a book or a youtube channel to work out what's best for your body.

[joecham76]

Raw food saved me from a stage 4 cancer. This guy needs to learn do some more research. Read about dr brian Clement and the hippocrates institute has written many books and the raw vegan diet which has helped heal tens of thousand of people of cancers and other horrible illnesses. I recommend the life-force book by Brian it is an elementary book, I think that is where this guy should start.

[Einz2]

@joecham76

Raw food is very healing for people with illnesses, but it is not optimal for a healthy person. Also Dr. Clement always talks about the China Study which has been criticized time and time again. Raw foods + meat is the healthiest diet.

[cpilfold420]

@joecham76 RAW food does cure because It is very cleansing and detoxifying. Cleans your bowels liver pineal, and other glands. This goes a long way in making progress towards overcoming very serious illness. However It is true that in the long term raw vegan diets are "not optimal" leaving out many important essential nutrients not available in plants.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@cpilfold420 Raw 'cures' because in most instances, people who exact a 'cure' from it switch from an SAD diet to raw vegan. It's the switch to unprocessed, organic whole foods that gets the result.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@cpilfold420 What are the important nutrients not available in plants apart from b12?

[wormmy1]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 Arachodonic acid, animal protein, carnosine, vitamin A, vitamin K2, vitamin D, EPA & DHA, alpha lipoic acid, conjugated linoleic acids and probably more.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@wormmy1 Acid not a nutrient. animal protein is not a nutrient. Protein is. Beta carotene converts to Vitamin A(Pretty basic nutrition there buddy). Vitamin D. Ever heard of the sun(Thats where the animals get it from dummy). yeah probably more nutrients lmfao you lobotomized donkey. Never studied nutriton did you?

[wormmy1]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 I study nutrition all the time unlike you who obviously frequents propaganda sites and thinks it's science. Look at the evidence and save your own life.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@wormmy1 If you studied nutrition which is what I study you would have realised that beta carotene converts to vA. Just got owned propaganda spreader.

[baggytheo]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 It's a little pompous to bring your Nutrition 101 talking points to the conversation and think you've "owned" somebody with it. Beta carotene only converts to vitamin A in the presence of fat, and only sparingly in most people (and barely enough to avert deficiency in some). Our biology clearly responds more favorably to retinoids from animal foods.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@baggytheo Many dietary factors, e.g. fat and protein, affect absorption. 10-50% of the total beta-carotene consumed is absorbed in the GI tract. The proportion of carotenoids absorbed decreases as dietary intake increases. Within the intestinal wall (mucosa), beta-carotene is partially converted into vitamin A (retinol) by the enzyme dioxygenase. This mechanism is regulated by the individual's vitamin A status. If the body has enough vitamin A, the conversion of beta-carotene decreases

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@baggytheo You call telling the truth and squashing lies pompous? Know wonder you are carb-phobic and follow pseudo-science(which is the truth of the Atkins/Paleo/Zone diets). Here's a though: Just think of all the Vitamin A we could get from a human being, I bet our body would respond very favorably to that.

[baggytheo]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 No, I do not call "telling the truth and squashing lies" pompous. Saying "owned, propaganda spreader" was. Nobody is lying. It's a very primitive mindset you have to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically "lying" or "spreading propaganda". It's like a hysterical Christian or something. I have not claimed support of low-carb diets, yet you call me "carb-phobic" and a "follower of psueo-science", and even suggest that *cannibalism* would be fitting for me.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@baggytheo You clearly have problems interpreting the English language. I did not disagree with anybody, I presented the facts and corrected a terribly misinformed person. The paleo-diet is carb-phobic. Do you even know that I am in the terribly obese category based on the guidelines of the carbs you should eat on this diet, yet I am cut and ripped to shreds? This is pseudo-science thats in an insult BTW. This is a fact. Carb-phobic diets are dangerous and not recommended. Misinformed person

[baggytheo]

@LuckynumberSlevin11 Thanks for proving my point for me yet again.

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

@baggytheo "unlike you who obviously frequents propaganda sites and thinks it's science" - This is your friend not me talking. Obviously clueless and presented many pernicious and incorrect information. You people seem to do that a lot. Suppose that is why don't follow scientists and follow your hero the Sissonator with his buff body and inclination to ride you and take your money.

[alwaysbelieve1]

Instead of actually answering the question asked of him regarding where he finds his research, Mark just goes on and on about how others don't really have solid research and/or on how to just discern the good from the crap. I'd like him to answer the question...

[Dansthoughts]

People know how to work an Iphone, but have no Idea what to eat anymore. HAHAHAHA Pathedic. I'm 100% Raw like all the millions' of animal species out there.

[somethought]

raw vegan diet! woo saved my life.

[AuralRawFoodist]

@somethought

woo! almost killed me - glad you are finding dietary choices that agree with you though, sometmes its hard to only eat things that fall completely outside your nutritional paradigm

[sceneturn]

I write you in good faith.

I am having a difficult time with the concept that wild-caught salmon in limited quantities could be bad for one's health. Right now I eat a morning Superfood smoothie then raw food throughout the day with some high-quality fish interspersed.

This article has guided my decisions:

[To locate please search for "Enzymes in Raw Food Do They Matter" and "Vitalchoice"]

[NuclearNympho]

@sceneturn ..this might be of interest to you... google "wheat belly meat and aging" choose 3rd option or the one that ends with the words "page 141" when there scroll up to page 140 ...or just get the book on amazon in book form or CD ( it’s called Wheat Belly)...it’s very scientific....

[SpatialVortex]

I used to be a RAW VEGAN, but now I am on a paleo diet... I felt mental clarity on raw vegan, but I had some depression, after starting to consume FATS (saturated) on paleo diet, I started feeling so much better and more optimistic toward life. I eat fatty fish + olive oil + coconut oil + chicken and I make fat bulion with beef bones yum yum..

so... judge for yourself.

Aftr I cut out all grain, I decreased so much inflammation throughout my body.

[werytraveler]

@SpatialVortex Was there any other different after switching from Raw V. to paleo. I'm doing 90% paleo now and was wondering othere people's experienced.

[TheChertron]

@SpatialVortex I agree, once I cut out the majority of the wheat grains after a raw food diet and then went on a paleo diet , my mental and physical capabilities skyrocketed. I still drink green smoothies and lots of fruit but also include fish and some chicken now. It's amazing and the most optimal to me.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@TheChertron Absolutely. Sissons diet, by volume, is largely vegetable and fruit based. It's a vegan myth that he's advocating a high-meat diet.

[kedordu]

if you had to eat one particular type of diet then the raw food diet is best .BUT luckily we dont have to. we live in a world where dynamism is key to survival . u have to try everything in a cyclical way .

[kedordu]

but u are totally wrong about the 8 glasses of water . u need way more than that . try 3 litres of water . we all know we need detox on a daily basis with the high environmental pollution .

[SpatialVortex]

@kedordu

You are wrong. You will flush out all of minerals out of your body, unless you are drinking high quality imported mineral water.

[kedordu]

@SpatialVortex

WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT ??

[DroGolfBulb]

@SpatialVortex

however, I don't think they know that 8 glasses is 2 litres, so that isn't a HUGE increase. and 3 liters is accurate for people who are exercising, 1.5-2 is normal, but that is only on a dry diet. aka a normal american diet.

[melymeld]

@kedordu True. 2.7 L for the average woman and 3.7 for a man.

[melymeld]

@kedordu True. 2.7 L for the average woman and 3.7 for a man. From drinking ALL liquids and from foods we ingest.

[SouthBranchRDRoad]

The topic on this video is misleading and the answer grouped several diets together. Vegetarian and Vegan diets are significantly different than RAW vegan diets. Examples abound of vegetarians who have joint and other health issues, but not so much from a diversified RAW diet. Eating raw foods efficiently transmits more nutrition to the body, with less side effects, than cooked food diets. If you go Raw, cooked vegetables taste lifeless

and it turns out they are! More research is needed.

[xetaprime]

Cooking vegetables often 'transmits' more nutrition to the human body. This is proven. And I prefer the taste of cooked squash over raw.

But I agree- research is always needed.

[watzzupsport]

How is this proven

[xetaprime]

@watzzupsport Good morning. Go to pubmed or google and search bioavailabilty of vegetables by cooking steaming and you can find a few studies supporting this. I've read different reports having to do with tomatoes, carrots and greens being better absorbed. This is not to say don't eat them raw either.