@palmerwmd And you sound like some Nazi fanboy, you really think you can sumarise WW2 in 3 minutes? Wanna give it a try? Go ahead post your own video and we'll see how well you fare.
If not Poland, World War Two could lasted to the 1946 without broken Enigma. That could be hard for USA and allies, if "Sea Lion" happened in real - and eventualy UK surrender the war - but again, Polish pilots, whose server in RAF (they were the best in shooting down Germans!) kicked German butts away from Britain, so UK wouldn't be conquered so easily and fast. If Polish pilots had american Corsairs or russian IL-2s, they would be a much bigger fear of Third Reich.
@TorisLaCroixFilms - et hum...Poland was gone in 6 days. The fact they had no "effictive" air force was the reason. (aside from the fact their clavery was attacking t Mark 1 tanks on horseback and sabers!) The Planes they flew to engauge the Luffwaffee were from the Pursuit Bgd. A Bi-Plane type from WW I. What history book did you read?
Isoroku Yamamoto was Fleet Admiral of the IJN-under code name"Magic" Yamamoto was learned would be flying from Rabaul to Ballalae Airfield on an island near in the Soloman Islands on the morning of 18th April 1943-this was due entirely to the breaking of the Japanese Code-it was on this morning and in that particular air space that a dog fight occurred and Yamamoto and his plane were shot down.This accomplishment was a serious blow to IJN
@Uncle65788 True German surface fleet was not comprable to RN however RN was taksed with global duty so was streched thin. The U boat offensive made total sense for Germany.. it was the only way to take Britain & by extensioon USA out of the war freeing up resouces applied in the West for the Russian campaign... Recall it was blockade by RN that lead to G defeat in WW1
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@stanthology Germany and Russia did not destroy each other… it took Russia, Britain, Dominions & USA and many others to defeat Germany. Russia emerged from ww2 in much stronger shape than she entered it... and became a pain in the ass from 1945 thru 1989.. when the fantasy that was Russian communism collapsed...
@stanthology the reason USA became "top dog" as you call it was that WW1 consumed the wealth and power of all other states involved... while at the same time America's economy was kicking into high gear providing the means for Britain and France to wage war against Germany... and so Wealth = Power sooner or later...
@SerogaRUS what about Russia... recall right up until May-June 1941 and the G invasion of Russia Hitler and Stalin had been best friends. It was Russia raw materials sent tio Germany that enable Ger to attack B & F in May 1940.. the mistake the Anglo-Americans made was to let G and R go at it and then pick up the pieces.
In 1932, the year before Hitler and Roosevelt both came to power, Germany's unemployment rate was 30.1% and America's was 24.9%. But within just five years, Germany's unemployment rate was reduced to only 4.6% (1937) and dropped even further to only 2.1% a year later. By contrast, FDR in 1937 still had 13.2% unemployment which actually rose to 19.8% a year later. Hitler was the clear, unmatched winner in terms of economic management.
The name of Germany's leadership was: ADOLF HITLER!
Yeah Hitler did wonders for the country of Germany....are you retarded? You need medicine man, your delusions are only going to get worse and if you keep posting on Youtube, more amusing.
During his political career (Before he rose to power) he did work wonders for Germany. You could say he was the great modernizer for Germany. Then he came into power and everything kinda went to shit.
Besides, he was a military genius and is partially responsible for the Volkswagen Beetle.
I'm not saying he was good, but you cant just discount the good he did early on.
@peepeevagi im sorry man but i had to say something.. HItler was NOT a military genius .. Rommel, Van Manstein .. THEY were military guru's .. germany's biggest failures are all attributed to Hitlers ... "fight to the last man, no retreat" mantra The great men of Germany at that time were the few generals holding the seams of his military together. Hitler was an Idealistic motivator like never before seen at that time. beyond that he was a bumbling Charlatan. False hope false dreams.
You cant say hitler isn't a military genius. He got his men to fight for the bitter end for himself the fuhrer and pioneered a few cars and tanks in his time. Blitzkreig, the sheer mechanization of the army, he shaped the 'modern' german military of the time. Without Hitler, there would have been no Rommel :/
And, you cant blame the grandness of his ideas. He wanted to seize a world without jews. We want to seize a world niggers or mexicans lol. And the rest want a world without the US.
@Sicj : You are absolutely correct. Hitler let his hatred overrule his priorities: the conquest of the USSR, which was the only nation wealthy enough to support Hitler's 1000 Year Reich. Britain and France were worthless, and should have been avoided entirely in order to concentrate all of his forces against Russia in 1939 or sooner (before Stalin could prepare for invasion).
@JBC814 I seem to recall that Britain controlled 40% of the planet along with access to the resources. Hardly worthless.. do you reflect on your comments before you rattle them off... it wasnt Hitlers hatred that was his downfall it was military ineptness & insanity,,, Hiler was mad...dangerous and mad
@MartinIDavies : Why would Hitler want to control Britain's Empire when he could have all the resources he would need right next door in Russia? Owning their Empire would have been a pittance compared to building his own empire out of Russia's vast resources of oil, iron and aluminum ore, minerals, vast farmlands, and plenty of slave labor. The people were dying (literally) to get rid of Stalin, and if Hitler played his cards right, he could have had their support.
@JBC814 Yes an accurate assessment of Hitler's well known plans for Russia.. my comment was more to the point that although G was unable to acquire BE resources which does make them useless to him as you suggest) yet those very resources were dangerous & not useless at all. he would have to bear Britain’s war making waging capability in mind because it might and did effect Germany’s fortunes in Russia costing him the war . so BE empire resources were far from useless
@MartinIDavies : That's true, but after the defeat of France, Britain could do nothing to stop Hitler. Her army was much smaller than France's, so she wouldn't stand a chance against Hitler. She was saved from invasion by the English Channel, the RAF, and the Royal Navy. Germany lost because Hitler started a war on two fronts, which was insane when facing the might of Russia. He lost over 1/2 of his air force (and pilots) in England, which meant invading Russia was suicide at that time.
@JBC814 Britain had a huge impact on G despite smaller almost disarmed army after the fall of France. B still able to fight land battles in N Africa which along with reducing G airforce in Battle of Britain means G invades Russia with fewer tanks & planes. RAF bombs G from the start reducing weapons creation & bringing war home. Outcome of Battle of Atlantic means invasions of N Africa, Italy & France happen. RN shipping allied supplies critical to Russia to win in the east
@MartinIDavies : Yes, it was one of Monty's greatest campaigns when he made a comeback against Rommel. Unfortunately, Monty couldn't repeat that success in Europe. Patton was the driving force behind all our victories in Europe.
Nonsense. Example Monty was in overall charge of the actual landings on D-Day. B & Empire contributed lions share of resources with 53% of the landing troops, 79% of naval ships & half the airpower. All but one of the D-Day operational generals were British. Meanwhile Patton back in UK fuming as he ran the canvas and wooden decoy army. B took Caen absorbing the shock of panzers giving USA time to swing to SW & break out to liberate Paris plenty of B heavy lifting there
@MartinIDavies : That's true, but they brought Patton back into the fighting after the D-Day landings and he ran circles around Monty, who's biggest fiasco was Market Garden.
@JBC814 try to resist the American urge and habit of deluding themselves that they won WW2 all by themselves. What do you mean “ Patton ran circles around Monty” surely he was measured on his defeating Germans not some invented adolescent competition with allied commanders. Market Garden was an audacious action which had it succeeded would have ended the war 9 months earlier. MG reveals Monty’s enterprising, brilliant military mind. It’s failure takes nothing away from this.
@JBC814 recall Monty fought throughout the entire war engaging in battles who's outcomes would have meant the end of Britain’s defeat which by extension meant ultimate defeat of USA make no mistake. Patton arrived much later in the war with huge resources at his disposal and so had less risk of failure. Consider had G not run out of gas the Battle of the Bulge might of ended very differently... the outcome of battles is a precarious thing
@MartinIDavies US was nerver in danger from germany, first germany had the worse surface navies of the axis no aircraft carriers, no amphibious ships . US carriers would have sunk the entire german navy in the middle of the atlantic. Also germany did not have 1 good bomber in WW2 HE111, Do 17 obsolete in 1940 no heavy bombers. germany is no threat. Japan yes modern navy, carriers modern battleships
There never was a real German surface navy threat in the Atlantic. US surface navy in Atlantic was small with most ships in the Pacific (division of labour). There was little real threat of major German surface engagements in the Atlantic. Royal Navy kept America safe. The real concern and threat was to USA & Canadian supplies destined for UK & Russia supplies without which the allied ability to invade N Africa, Italy, & France would not happen & Russia would lose
@MartinIDavies US kept the old BB Arkansas, New York, Texas, Nevada in Atlantic, some modern BB,s sailed in ther atlantic for 1 cruise, at different times, Washington, South Dakota, Massachusetts, Alabama, Iowa to destroy the tirpitz but tirpitxz never left Norway
@jers59 yes US did not leave the western Atlantic devoid of ships. I am impressed with your knowledge of specifics thanks for this post.. the Anglo-American fight in the Atlantic did eventually defeat the G u-boat threat. Enabling supplies for invasions to reach their destinations (UK and Russia). The facts are that G capital ships without air cover were as vulnerable useless as ours. Hence their lurking in the Norwegian fiords
@jers59 Let’s not be too disparaging about the effectiveness of German surface ships. We all learnt the lesson that the days of the Battleship were over all vulnerable to attacks by carriers & submarines. G did not have large surface navy due to restrictions to build & more importantly she was planning and prepared for a land war with Russia and did not plan on having to fight B. which would have required a sizable Navy.
@MartinIDavies Horseshit! Operation Watch on the Rhine or better yet The Battle of the Ardennes was an ambitious effort to extend the end of the war but whose failure merely hastened its conclusion.i do not think there was anything that could of stopped what was coming as much as this can be suggested the Germans were more fearful of the Russians than the Americans-The Allies had such overwhelming presence that Patton suggested that we should let them go all the way to Paris
@Uncle65788 You are correct that the Germans were more afraid of the Russians that the Allies.. and for obvious reasons… and that was why every German who died fighting the in the west squandered life.. after successful allied landings in France Germans should abandoned the war in the west putting everything against the Russians holding them off until the allies arrived and save their lives.
@JBC814 North Africa was a lesson that Irwin Rommel taught the Americans when they,the Africa Core were in actual retreat from El Aleman(you know those circles around monty thing you were talking about)Rommel was in retreat from Monty when he pasted the newly arrived Americans at Kasserine Pass
@Uncle65788 : That's true, but Eisenhower called in Patton and he defeated Rommel in the next battle, which was the beginning of the end for Rommel as he was squeezed from both sides by Monty and Patton. Eisenhower always gave preference to Monty in Europe, but it was Patton who was the brains behind the brawn of the U.S. Army. It was Eisenhower's refusal to recognize Patton's abilities that dragged the war out a year longer than necessary.
@JBC814 What Eisenhower diid say when asked as to the contribution that the hitherto unknown advantage was that that advantage provided for a decisive edge and make a victory in Northern Africa more likely to occur.The advantage held by Great Britain was a working prototype of the Nazi Code Machine hereby referred to as enigma.It was Polish Military only days before the onset of hostilities that shipped two working copies to 1.French Govt and 2.Great Britain
@Uncle65788 I am further confused… Patton was not involved in Monty’s victory at the 2nd battle of El Alamein of Oct 1942 he was involved in the allied invasion of North Africa a desert campaign in Nov 1942… involving mechanized arms & air power.. Enigma part of the German naval code used by U boat’s during the Battle of the Atlantic… so tell again how knowing about naval codes in the North Atlantic helped the allies in North Africa?
@MartinIDavies Irwin Rommels Africa core was denied needed supplies.These supplies whereby there are more than a couple stories of how the Broken Enigma Code yielded such information which allowed allied war ships to intercept and sink ships bound for North Africa-This was never more evident than in the very dramatic account of the second battle of El Aleman.The Africa core actually ran out of ammunition
@MartinIDavies It was Erwin Rommel who was not present at El Guetar and indeed the africa core was then as well in retreat however this was to be a different outcome then the first time the americans had met the africa core.This time was an allied victory
@MartinIDavies The Enigma was used by perhaps all the Branches of the Military and even some government offices-there are stories as to it being used in some very pedestrian enterprises.The Enigma had variations which apparently varied from one service to another however all were based on this working prototype.That is a true quote from Dwight David Eisenhower as to the role played by the Ultra Secret operations conducted during the north Africa campaign in world war II
@Uncle65788 so the german messages told us stuff we aleady knew,,, information like " hey we're getting hammered.. send help.." no that was not decsive we knew the Germans were being starved of resources.. having it confirmed by listening to german communications didnt change the situation..
@MartinIDavies "save the fight for the field" here perhaps as suggested elsewhare that did not seem to have mattered as the advantage offerred by Ultra was to have shortened the war by perhaps two years with German Enigma Decrypts taking two days by wars end.A discussion involving A Naples placed operation when Erwin Rommels Africa Core was denied 5 vessels(they were sunk)at a most important moment in the Africa Kore place on the African Continent
@Uncle65788 yes intelligence (especially actionable intelligence) about an enemies disposition can be very important hence the great efforts countries put into creating codes & syphers and trying to break the codes of others. However to say that command of codes can shorten conflicts like WW2 by a year or two is pure conjecture... up there with "what if?" alternative history which is just mental noodling
@Uncle65788 By late 1942 & early 43 Afrika Corp was being starved of supplies. Rommel’s supply lines were long and precarious with almost nothing coming across the Mediterranean Sea not seen by allies.. codes would not have impacted things much.. meanwhile in the Atlantic there were whole convoys of war materials & men at risk. The value of enigma was huge… The Battle for Atlantic was the only thing that worried Churchill and without enigma we would have lost
@MartinIDavies The need to know was more of an interest of Germanies than it would be of the allies in so far as the Battle of the North Atlantic.it was the lack of a legitmate surface Navy that drove Nazi Germany to so vehemtly attack Cargo Vesels and convoys as this merely was meant to even things up.The damage done was almost to effective,at times the Allies had to cancel and rearrange schedules as losses were high even to high.GB had a up in a surface fleet which Germany did not over come
@Uncle65788 True German surface fleet was not comprable to RN however RN was tasked with global duty and so streched thin. The U boat offensive made total sense for Germany.. The only way to take Britain (& by extension USA) out of the war freeing up the need for resources being applied in the West... recall blockade was how Ger had been defeated by Britain in WW1
@Uncle65788 True German surface fleet was not comprable to RN however RN was taksed with global duty so was streched thin. The U boat offensive made total sense for Germany.. it was the only way to take Britain & by extensioon USA out of the war freeing up resouces applied in the West for the Russian campaign... Recall it was blockade by RN that lead to G defeat in WW1
@Uncle65788 A Question would be while the Allies Sunk 5 cargo vessels bound for North Africa what impact would such an apparent accomplishment have on the disposition of the Enemy as it involved Erwin Rommels ability to mount an offense.I believe that such an accomplishment can be said to be the equal of a telling blow,that is it produced the desired effect and seriously curtailed any offesnsive notions that such an operation would entail
@Uncle65788 are you trying to say that a mechanised force like the Afrika Corp could not fight without arms and fule? Surely we all know this.. denying the enemy supplies is what most of WW2 was about
@MartinIDavies Though GB was creditied with Ultra It was American code Breakers that cracked the Japanese Secret Code.one such detail allowed for a assasination to occur in mid-air These were dramatic instances how the war time efforts to break into the enemies flow of information were creditied with influencing the efforts in the war itself
@Uncle65788 Given that America (along with Australia & New Zealand) did much of the heavy lifting in the Pacific war it would make sense that USA would apply itself against Japanese codes. Recall that it was American deciphering of Japan’s naval code that enabled USA to lure Japan into the trap that was the Battle of Midway... the outcome of which turned the tide for Japan. After Midway Japan lost the initiative. So this is a great example of Code breaking having huge effects on outcomes
@MartinIDavies I am unaware of any such claim and in fact have never heard such a story.Midway was very much a hit and miss, we found them before they found us. we were fortunate that they were confused when caught with planes on their decks changing out armament.Midway hurt Japans Naval aspirations from that point on-4 Aircraft carriers were sunk and never again were they able to lauch such an attack as they could of if these 4 carriers had not been lost-I do not know of any "code breaking"
@Uncle65788 Though intelligence confirms enemy to strike at Midway Island,it was not quite the coop that is suggested-Midway was indeed very much a hit and miss with both sides making mistakes however Pearl was such a shocker that Midway might not need much intelligence to figure out,figure out however is what USNavy Did.Research yielded indeed broken japanese code placed IJN 05-06 Midway Island
@MartinIDavies I really do not know how much difference in wording but families were playing early morning baseball as Japanese Zeroes were flying past in route just so to speak down the road to drop there bombs.There were some 2,300 plus military personnel lost-some nearly 6 battleships put out of commission a number of destroyers sunk and quite frankly had they made a third trip the IJN may very well have gotten what they wanted-we would of been seriously damaged-I do not know how to say ?
@Uncle65788 those numbers nearly across the board are all much much greater the damage done was truly significant.it was the Japanese who in fact failed to take full advantage perhaps as I have suggested it may well have been the saving grace
@Uncle65788 4 battleships sunk,there were 4 more that were badly damaged 8 in total.there were 3 cruisers sunk,3 destroyers sunk,1 training ship sunk,1 minelayer sunk,188 US aircraft destroyed,2402 personnel were killed as well as 1202 were wounded.The repercussions were so serious that shock is not entirely accurate Dec.7,1941 is a date that will live in infamy" FDR president of the USA-As a further consequence of this if you will infamous act the USA declared war on the Empire of Japan
@Uncle65788 If Code break was confirmed that is one thing however the IJN was a superior force at midway and if there strategy had been more perhaps worthy they could of walked in irregardless of such a consideration of a trap.
@MartinIDavies "The attack was a major engagement of World War 2 and came as a profound shock to the American people" one thing further if the Japanese had made a third trip they would of found the fuel depots,submarine pens and so on-it would of provided if so entered upon the means to do what they had intially set out to do and that was put us out of the action long enough to affect not only our place in the world but great britains as well.The Empire of Japan was an Axis power
@MartinIDavies perhaps and perhaps not Japan was more than merely an aggressor Japans actions elsewhere were seen often enough as unfriendly over time the controversial oil embargoes indeed made the declaration of war more tenable like I said perhaps and perhaps not.The intent was self sufficiency and that might justify japans actions again over time as being pre-determined-even the declaration of war was held up due to timing and thereby nullifying "infamous decry" not a nice picture!
@Uncle65788 Try and add things and information of value and are truely engaging.. as I read your past posts you are making no sense... your command of English is poor... I would go & chat on a site in your own language.. that way people will be able to see if your just misarticulating your thoughts or a true history muppet as you appear here or are maybe you are just plane crazy..
@MartinIDavies your arguments are weak willed and so is your resolve though the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor was indeed a surprise it can be argued that is was not meant to be.It can and further be suggested that though Midway was a defeat for the IJN it could of just as easily be a profound victory.The codebreaking was not the equal to the battle as both Pearl and Midway were fortunate that the greater ambition was not in the Jappanese Battle Plans
@Uncle65788 you need to read more. Yes Midway hit & miss as to how the actual battle unfolded but the battle itself was by no means an accident. The US was in the process of trying to break J naval code & to test & confirm their belief they had it cracked sent a trap message saying US was short of water at Midway. Later US code breakers picked up this information in a Japanese coded message. This was how US knew it had broken J naval code and so were expecting them at Midway
@MartinIDavies the accident had as much of the near miss quality that the attack on Pearl Harbor had.It was not so much the code breaking but the fact that Japan nearly and could of landed troops at midway and taken the island.It was more a point that such was the damage at Pearl that Midway was perhaps or had the look of a pre-invasion.We were fortunate that greater ambition was not taken in both of the aforementioned theatres of Pearl Harbor and Midway Island
@JBC814 are you seriously proposing that had Eisenhower used Patton in adiffernt capacities that the war would have been over a year earlier! are you saying the Allies would have defeated Germany as early as May 1944 (before the actual invasion) you have our attention let the lesson begin... tell us how this might have been accomplished..
@MartinIDavies : In August '43 Patton handed Eisenhower his plan for the invasion of Europe: it was discarded and never reached Marshall's desk ( who could overrule Eisenhower). Eisenhower feared Patton's abilities, and concerned himself only with patronizing the Brits and his other generals (Bradley,etc.). If you read "Other Losses" by James Bacque you will learn of Ike's dark side. The plot to kill Patton was well known ("Target Patton" by Robert Wilcox).
“Patronizing the Brits…” Without each other B & US would not have prevailed against Germany. There was no patronization. Do you know if Paton was asked to create an invasion plan if yes by who? The successful invasion of Europe was first & foremost one of logistics which was Eisenhower’s specialty. There was long precarious chain of supply from USA & B Empire to UK. Did Patton have experiences in global logistics? Finally Paton was a lose canon & a bully and was correctly benched
@JBC814 " the beginning of the end for Rommel..." I can’t help wondering what history books are have been reading? Rommel’s decline began much earlier after Money beat him in north Africa at El Alamein the again in the invasion France.. by the time Paton was tagged to engage he was passed his sell by date.. and just like in North Africa he ran out of fuel while Patton did not… get a grip
@MartinIDavies Actually I have a correction to make... of course Rommel and Patton did not actually fight each other in Europe... Rommel's last battles were during the invasion of France, Normandy... this was when Paton was commanding the fake decoe army in UK.
@MartinIDavies In the Motion Picture "Patton"An aide to the General responded when queried as to the HQ information that Erwin Rommel was not present at El Guetar.He said but General no doubt that if you defeat Erwin Rommels plan you defeat Erwin Rommel.It is noted further that Rommel was home in a hospital with severe nasal deptheria
@Uncle65788 Rommel was a class act a German general of the old german miliatry school and much respected by the British and American generals and population.
@JBC814 It was true and indeed it took time to unfold but unfold it did.Nazi Germany did not have the capacity to fight a two front war.In fact there was damage done even as far back at the Battle of Kursk whereby Adolf hitler pulled needed resources from that very engagement to transfer them to European continent.This was one of the many topics that were talked of by Presidents Roosevelt,Prime Minister Churchill and Russian Leader Joseph Stalin
@MartinIDavies Empire had 79% of the warships in the atlantic because german navy was worse of axis navy. Japan had real navy that was threat, aircraft carriers good fighting brave sailors warriors, best carrier pilots in 41 and early 42. The pacific is where real naval fighting took place no quarter asked none giving, kamikazes. german navy ran from fights or tried to hide, example tirpitz in Norway
@jers59 True major surface naval battles fought in Pacific. However primary concerns of allies was B must o survive without this WW2 was lost (USA would not prevail without B as an ally). Japan could wait. B survival hung on outcome of the Battle of Atlantic. This naval struggle was essential to allies ability to fight. G had been prevented from building large numbers of surface ships so went underwater. Had she had enough U boats war would have been lost. So Atlantic was the main show
@jers59 Yes as good as Japanese Navy was & it was very effective it was just too small for the task and Japan’s was unable to build & replace losses – despite all the land and resources it had acquired which was the purpose of the war for them!. So by the wars end J had 4 carriers USA 104 with more on the way. Often forgotten was the huge impact that US subs had on starving J of food and resources… US version of Battle of Atlantic
@JBC814 The war in europe was un-intended however the war in Russia was not to be avoided.hitler wanted from Russia what england had in India.Hitler saw a handful of United Kingdom Soldiers govern hundreds of thousands of indian s and wanted that to be the same with Nazi.s Germanies conquest of soviet Russia
@Uncle65788 you say that “war in Europe was not intended”. Nonsense it was a vital precursor to Germany's attack on Russia. the plan was to hit hard & fast in the west & knock France out leaving Britain unable to fight on alone and so make a peace. With Europe safe they could get on with Russia avoiding a 2 front war. Problem was Britain was not defeated & continued to fight and so reducing German resources needed for Russian campaign.
@MartinIDavies No it wasn't "The war in Europe was not intended"First and foremost Hitler wanted to set things straight before he did anything else.He wanted what was Germanies prior to World War 1-another consideration though like England he may wanted to become in so far as Russia is concerned he felt that Poland could get squeezed out of the picture.Though that maybe a mistake he tried diplomatically to corece Poland into various arraigements-everything failed
@Uncle65788 No Germany or more accuratley the Nazi's wanted a war and wanted to totally change the political lanscape of the world not just want something back.. and nothing was going to stop them it took the B & F a while to understand that. Meanwhile Stalin was in denial and delusional about Hitlers intention despite being spelt out in Mein Kampf..
@MartinIDavies Hitler wanted to right the wrong of the Versailles Treaty and then he actually got the wrong war-"The Nazi's:A Warning from History" He most admired GB and as well made speeches as to the need for "Living Space" as a presursor to a War with Russia.He actually got a treaty with Russia and war with GB and France
@Uncle65788 what wrongs of Versailles? German was the vanquished and paid the price.. albeit high much against Britain's & USA's inclination. it is good to learn that your opinions coem from proper research and not some tidbit from talk radio... The problem with Hitler was he wanted to re-arrange the fragile European arrangments and was prepared to destroy neighboring countries and murder millions to achieve it... and so who cares what Hitler wanted ulimately he had to be stopped
@MartinIDavies The tidbit I heard was that the un-employment rate for then Germany was the highest in the world.This was prior to the election of Adolf Hitler as Germanies Chancellor.I think your inability to justify that there is another guy in this world besides yourself is the cause why such comments are without merit and lack quality as to life itself.it would that nose in front of your face be better not sticking in other peoples business.
@Uncle65788 It is worth noting that the first concentration camps were used for political prisoner reform there were no outright plans to exterminate the Jewish people at that point in time.Indeed perhaps like the war things changed it can be suggested dramatically when such plans actually became real.One other interest of note this was Poland not Germany where the first concentration camps were constructed
@MartinIDavies : I recently heard that Hitler suffered with several medical problems, not the least of which was syphilis. I'm sure that had something to do with his mental stability. In any case, he was only a politician and an accomplished propagandist. His military prowess was close to nil, bordering on suicidal. The conquest of France was his one and only success. If he had followed his plan as stated in "Mein Kampf", he would have invaded only Russia, not Poland and France.
@JBC814 yes Hitler a drug addicted psychopathic megalomaniac and a military buffoon but he correctly called B & F out gaining much with bluff and bullying. He was also the only one to identify Normandy being the invasion site. There was no way Germany could have avoided a war with F and B.. if for no other reason you have to go thru Poland to get to Russia and Poland's independence was guaranteed by B and F.. imperial over reach true but the invasion of Poland did mean war with B & F
@Sicj I agree .. Hitler a military bafoon... the only military call he got right was that the allies would come ashore in Normandy not Calias (which G high command thought).. he was an ignorant infantry WW1 man.. and prepared to fight accordingly. recall G was unable to prevail on the water or in the air.
Sorry for my mistakes in the spelling,On what i was saying(Or typing) America had started with pilgrims And it be came a country with loyalty,and free religion.Soviet was a contry of brothership like USA,We had trouble with the britsish at the start but we became friends,poland is people who were the jewish,Nazi had a problem because they where jewish,ww2 started after years past now USA,Britsh,and Soviet had to fight(French too.),D-day (Aka Dooms day) we had lost 3rd percent of the us marines.
Nazis weren't the good guys retared,They try to kill poland,Africa,soviet,french.soviet had to fight for their country to stay alive,And after that they took over germany,To show who is the bader army (Im American) Americans help the french brits made trasportaion for them,As I know USA and The Soviet had lost more men, NaziS try to kill people that had nothing to do with the wars,D-day and point du hoc is where America lost more men,Soviet lost men at their own country-
The German military were tactical and technical savants. Operationally, strategically, and politically, they failed. They were obsessed with military necessity and sacrificed everything to win battles with no real plan to exploit the victories. They failed to even way the gains of many battles. The result was a long list of impressive victories without any strategic value. In fact, the tactical victories increased the strategic failure by wasting limited forces on battles without long term goals
It should be noted that Nazi Germany had some of the best military technology (ex: Panzer tank), the Russians were facing the elite units in the Nazi army (Eastern front was extremely bloody), and the Japanese navy was superior to the American navy until the Coral Sea and Midway. I know that the allies won and they are the good guys, but I hate when history becomes selective and muddled.
I would not say that Japan's navy was superior to the US. It was a larger navy but the ships and aircraft were very lightly made. They suffered severely in quantity and quality of anti-aircraft protection, armor, fire suppression and durability in all the equipment used. 4 top carriers destroyed in 6 minutes with just a few bombs from a remnant air group. Shortly into the war American pilots developed proper combat tactics to counter the Zero's maneuverability and exploit its light construction.
@elesararwos the string of defeats were mostly Pearl Harbor, where the American fleet was decimated, the Philippines, and other small islands, and then over in South-East Asia, where the Japanese struck the British. There were no major battles after the strike on Peal Harbor, and before Midway and Coral Sea.
Panzer means tank I don't know what you mean. The Germans agree the T-34 was the best tank in the world. Far superior to the Panthers. Not as strong as a Tiger it was better balanced. Tiger was to big and did well west, in the east T-34 had the penetration power to kill a Tiger actually running circles around it. Over 400 Tigers and Panthers went down at Kursk. 800 USSR lost but they had more and could make more 3 to 1. Bad strategy to win the battle and have nothing left for the war.
ah ok I always hear it as Panzer. That's just me. Yes, the T-34 COULD penetrate the armor of the German tanks, but for other nations, such as the US, the tanks were more for infantry support than tank fighting.
@Thebigpathfinder What did it go back to WW2 in a time machine. The keywords here pathfinder would be was ww2. They did not have Abrams back then. besides the Abrams in ranked like 7th of all modern tanks. Blind loyalty is ignorance.
@Thebigpathfinder well ok thats true but if you look up best tank in the world you will get abrams tank fyi because there the most modern fastest loading tanks and can wipe a like ten tanks with only four abrams sorry you lose abrams is the best
dude your right like everybody is hatin on the nazis when stalin killed millions more. close to 70 million people died under stalin. hitler was only like 10. and yes stalin also killed jews but he started a year before his death so he could only kill around 600,000
0:44 smosh's old symbol!!!
didhedieds 3 weeks ago
HITLER GOT WAT HE DESERVED
BIKEGUY21 2 months ago
V. Coad 11/10/22 Thank you for serving our country. You will never be forgotten.
dmarie0791 2 months ago
only thing that ended world war two was the atomic bomb when jap's got nuked that surrendered that's the only why it ended..
Jagex131 4 months ago
theres this best dam cool movie about this world war 2
dourilay33 4 months ago
0:37 how do they march like that?!
footsy913 4 months ago
@footsy913 be cameras back then took less frames per second so it looked like they were marching fast like that
freestyleskier1231 4 months ago
@freestyleskier1231 oh, thnx
footsy913 4 months ago
@footsy913 i wonder if they are trying to kick each others but:p
didhedieds 3 weeks ago
Ok I watched the video, where are my credit hours :-)
vetitoe362 5 months ago
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TheLondonblitz 5 months ago
Strange........we're still here......
Clonecommander09 6 months ago
(Sighs) Men...we have 8 Nazis to find!
PillsHere83 6 months ago
looks like theres 8 nazis who watched this
MrChocolateBunny7 11 months ago 6
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TheTechGuy5 1 month ago
@MrChocolateBunny7
9 now XD
TheTechGuy5 1 month ago
Never in the course of history has so many been screwed by so few,
the socialist do it again and again.
9jmorrison 11 months ago
@palmerwmd And you sound like some Nazi fanboy, you really think you can sumarise WW2 in 3 minutes? Wanna give it a try? Go ahead post your own video and we'll see how well you fare.
andresisthename 1 year ago
If not Poland, World War Two could lasted to the 1946 without broken Enigma. That could be hard for USA and allies, if "Sea Lion" happened in real - and eventualy UK surrender the war - but again, Polish pilots, whose server in RAF (they were the best in shooting down Germans!) kicked German butts away from Britain, so UK wouldn't be conquered so easily and fast. If Polish pilots had american Corsairs or russian IL-2s, they would be a much bigger fear of Third Reich.
TorisLaCroixFilms 1 year ago
@TorisLaCroixFilms - et hum...Poland was gone in 6 days. The fact they had no "effictive" air force was the reason. (aside from the fact their clavery was attacking t Mark 1 tanks on horseback and sabers!) The Planes they flew to engauge the Luffwaffee were from the Pursuit Bgd. A Bi-Plane type from WW I. What history book did you read?
paidmeat 1 year ago
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TorisLaCroixFilms 1 year ago
thumbs up if u like COOKIES!!!!!
modernlegocombat1 1 year ago 11
shame we never built a Montana Class battleship
DULDEN85 1 year ago
I am pancakes.
m1up 1 year ago
Yamato is the future battleship :P
wannabebboy1 1 year ago
omg that was awsome
usaruler4567 1 year ago
@usaruler4567 read The Great Controversy.
bornbythesea 1 year ago
justin bieber ..........?
d1rkn 1 year ago
@d1rkn
stfu d1 and dont start a flame war XD
loliamapie 1 year ago
Doesn't this announcer do the "Rubio's" commercial.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS MUSSIC TELL ME!
raalph1 1 year ago
Isoroku Yamamoto was Fleet Admiral of the IJN-under code name"Magic" Yamamoto was learned would be flying from Rabaul to Ballalae Airfield on an island near in the Soloman Islands on the morning of 18th April 1943-this was due entirely to the breaking of the Japanese Code-it was on this morning and in that particular air space that a dog fight occurred and Yamamoto and his plane were shot down.This accomplishment was a serious blow to IJN
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 Aaaand do I see 1 yes I see 1 Period!!!! Any more? Any? No? Oh well...
Nomuit 1 year ago
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AngelenoLedger 1 year ago
FUK U NAZIS
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@Uncle65788 True German surface fleet was not comprable to RN however RN was taksed with global duty so was streched thin. The U boat offensive made total sense for Germany.. it was the only way to take Britain & by extensioon USA out of the war freeing up resouces applied in the West for the Russian campaign... Recall it was blockade by RN that lead to G defeat in WW1
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
fuck hitler
toddieo1 1 year ago
long live the axis power
fadyb56 1 year ago
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ajshooter22 1 year ago
i love how paratroopers flip and twist when their chutes come out
Halogrunt69 1 year ago
Sweet! Russian paratroopers at 1:28. Effing gutsy bastards.
pliskin555 1 year ago
@ martin.
If the Gs and Rs hadn't destroyed each other, how could America be top dog?
stanthology 1 year ago
@stanthology Germany and Russia did not destroy each other… it took Russia, Britain, Dominions & USA and many others to defeat Germany. Russia emerged from ww2 in much stronger shape than she entered it... and became a pain in the ass from 1945 thru 1989.. when the fantasy that was Russian communism collapsed...
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@stanthology the reason USA became "top dog" as you call it was that WW1 consumed the wealth and power of all other states involved... while at the same time America's economy was kicking into high gear providing the means for Britain and France to wage war against Germany... and so Wealth = Power sooner or later...
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@RepentNowHellsReal you seem seriously disturbed. why are you rambling uttering nonsense
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
world war 2 video comment section..... youtube's record holder for longest chain comments of pure boring debate
zhihao1 1 year ago
did you know that everyone pees a whole swimming pool worth in their lifetime?
matchboxlover 1 year ago 8
@matchboxlover i do now...
alaskanhuskeee92 1 year ago
@matchboxlover Lie because not everyone lives pass 1 min
nepovjerenje 1 year ago
@matchboxlover There is no standard size for a swimming pool, how the hell did this get highest rated comments?
HeartlessGorre 1 year ago
@matchboxlover in 1 year xD
swiderskidominik 1 year ago
A pity the Atom Bomb arrived too late to use on this Teutonic scum.
mulhollandrocket 1 year ago
You cant talk about WW2 unless you recognize Russia as a defining player in that deadly war.
Sicj 1 year ago
Hitler always had his pants pulled up too high. Was he trying to prove that he was tough by sticking his gut out?
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
i liked the paratroopers.
dustin4441 1 year ago
what happened to russia
mommy101684 1 year ago
hitler had good armys
mimamome1 1 year ago
actually the IS-2 technically was but T-34 less expensive so I guess they might be somewhat equal
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
what is the name of song?
legoboy2011 1 year ago
sooooo Sad the guy didnt even say a shet about russia. what an ass hole!!!
SerogaRUS 1 year ago
@SerogaRUS what about Russia... recall right up until May-June 1941 and the G invasion of Russia Hitler and Stalin had been best friends. It was Russia raw materials sent tio Germany that enable Ger to attack B & F in May 1940.. the mistake the Anglo-Americans made was to let G and R go at it and then pick up the pieces.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
americans RULE and FUCK Hitler:)
wtbartlett1 1 year ago
the Germans made better tanks then the americans like the tiger 1
legoboy2011 1 year ago
Brought to you by the New Wold Order & International Banking Cartels. Divide & Conquer!
Europe85 1 year ago
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In 1932, the year before Hitler and Roosevelt both came to power, Germany's unemployment rate was 30.1% and America's was 24.9%. But within just five years, Germany's unemployment rate was reduced to only 4.6% (1937) and dropped even further to only 2.1% a year later. By contrast, FDR in 1937 still had 13.2% unemployment which actually rose to 19.8% a year later. Hitler was the clear, unmatched winner in terms of economic management.
The name of Germany's leadership was: ADOLF HITLER!
holodenier 1 year ago
Yeah Hitler did wonders for the country of Germany....are you retarded? You need medicine man, your delusions are only going to get worse and if you keep posting on Youtube, more amusing.
420Guitar420 1 year ago
fag
ajaffe685 1 year ago
During his political career (Before he rose to power) he did work wonders for Germany. You could say he was the great modernizer for Germany. Then he came into power and everything kinda went to shit.
Besides, he was a military genius and is partially responsible for the Volkswagen Beetle.
I'm not saying he was good, but you cant just discount the good he did early on.
peepeevagi 1 year ago
in german i would say "alles auf Pump"
Ickerbocker 1 year ago
@peepeevagi im sorry man but i had to say something.. HItler was NOT a military genius .. Rommel, Van Manstein .. THEY were military guru's .. germany's biggest failures are all attributed to Hitlers ... "fight to the last man, no retreat" mantra The great men of Germany at that time were the few generals holding the seams of his military together. Hitler was an Idealistic motivator like never before seen at that time. beyond that he was a bumbling Charlatan. False hope false dreams.
Sicj 1 year ago
You cant say hitler isn't a military genius. He got his men to fight for the bitter end for himself the fuhrer and pioneered a few cars and tanks in his time. Blitzkreig, the sheer mechanization of the army, he shaped the 'modern' german military of the time. Without Hitler, there would have been no Rommel :/
And, you cant blame the grandness of his ideas. He wanted to seize a world without jews. We want to seize a world niggers or mexicans lol. And the rest want a world without the US.
peepeevagi 1 year ago
@Sicj : You are absolutely correct. Hitler let his hatred overrule his priorities: the conquest of the USSR, which was the only nation wealthy enough to support Hitler's 1000 Year Reich. Britain and France were worthless, and should have been avoided entirely in order to concentrate all of his forces against Russia in 1939 or sooner (before Stalin could prepare for invasion).
JBC814 1 year ago
@JBC814 I seem to recall that Britain controlled 40% of the planet along with access to the resources. Hardly worthless.. do you reflect on your comments before you rattle them off... it wasnt Hitlers hatred that was his downfall it was military ineptness & insanity,,, Hiler was mad...dangerous and mad
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies : Why would Hitler want to control Britain's Empire when he could have all the resources he would need right next door in Russia? Owning their Empire would have been a pittance compared to building his own empire out of Russia's vast resources of oil, iron and aluminum ore, minerals, vast farmlands, and plenty of slave labor. The people were dying (literally) to get rid of Stalin, and if Hitler played his cards right, he could have had their support.
JBC814 1 year ago
@JBC814 Yes an accurate assessment of Hitler's well known plans for Russia.. my comment was more to the point that although G was unable to acquire BE resources which does make them useless to him as you suggest) yet those very resources were dangerous & not useless at all. he would have to bear Britain’s war making waging capability in mind because it might and did effect Germany’s fortunes in Russia costing him the war . so BE empire resources were far from useless
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies : That's true, but after the defeat of France, Britain could do nothing to stop Hitler. Her army was much smaller than France's, so she wouldn't stand a chance against Hitler. She was saved from invasion by the English Channel, the RAF, and the Royal Navy. Germany lost because Hitler started a war on two fronts, which was insane when facing the might of Russia. He lost over 1/2 of his air force (and pilots) in England, which meant invading Russia was suicide at that time.
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MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@JBC814 Britain had a huge impact on G despite smaller almost disarmed army after the fall of France. B still able to fight land battles in N Africa which along with reducing G airforce in Battle of Britain means G invades Russia with fewer tanks & planes. RAF bombs G from the start reducing weapons creation & bringing war home. Outcome of Battle of Atlantic means invasions of N Africa, Italy & France happen. RN shipping allied supplies critical to Russia to win in the east
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies : Yes, it was one of Monty's greatest campaigns when he made a comeback against Rommel. Unfortunately, Monty couldn't repeat that success in Europe. Patton was the driving force behind all our victories in Europe.
JBC814 1 year ago
@JBC814 Patton was not the driving force behind alll Allied victories in Europe. Far from it...
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
Nonsense. Example Monty was in overall charge of the actual landings on D-Day. B & Empire contributed lions share of resources with 53% of the landing troops, 79% of naval ships & half the airpower. All but one of the D-Day operational generals were British. Meanwhile Patton back in UK fuming as he ran the canvas and wooden decoy army. B took Caen absorbing the shock of panzers giving USA time to swing to SW & break out to liberate Paris plenty of B heavy lifting there
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies : That's true, but they brought Patton back into the fighting after the D-Day landings and he ran circles around Monty, who's biggest fiasco was Market Garden.
JBC814 1 year ago
@JBC814 try to resist the American urge and habit of deluding themselves that they won WW2 all by themselves. What do you mean “ Patton ran circles around Monty” surely he was measured on his defeating Germans not some invented adolescent competition with allied commanders. Market Garden was an audacious action which had it succeeded would have ended the war 9 months earlier. MG reveals Monty’s enterprising, brilliant military mind. It’s failure takes nothing away from this.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@JBC814 recall Monty fought throughout the entire war engaging in battles who's outcomes would have meant the end of Britain’s defeat which by extension meant ultimate defeat of USA make no mistake. Patton arrived much later in the war with huge resources at his disposal and so had less risk of failure. Consider had G not run out of gas the Battle of the Bulge might of ended very differently... the outcome of battles is a precarious thing
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies US was nerver in danger from germany, first germany had the worse surface navies of the axis no aircraft carriers, no amphibious ships . US carriers would have sunk the entire german navy in the middle of the atlantic. Also germany did not have 1 good bomber in WW2 HE111, Do 17 obsolete in 1940 no heavy bombers. germany is no threat. Japan yes modern navy, carriers modern battleships
jers59 1 year ago
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There never was a real German surface navy threat in the Atlantic. US surface navy in Atlantic was small with most ships in the Pacific (division of labour). There was little real threat of major German surface engagements in the Atlantic. Royal Navy kept America safe. The real concern and threat was to USA & Canadian supplies destined for UK & Russia supplies without which the allied ability to invade N Africa, Italy, & France would not happen & Russia would lose
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies US kept the old BB Arkansas, New York, Texas, Nevada in Atlantic, some modern BB,s sailed in ther atlantic for 1 cruise, at different times, Washington, South Dakota, Massachusetts, Alabama, Iowa to destroy the tirpitz but tirpitxz never left Norway
jers59 1 year ago
@jers59 yes US did not leave the western Atlantic devoid of ships. I am impressed with your knowledge of specifics thanks for this post.. the Anglo-American fight in the Atlantic did eventually defeat the G u-boat threat. Enabling supplies for invasions to reach their destinations (UK and Russia). The facts are that G capital ships without air cover were as vulnerable useless as ours. Hence their lurking in the Norwegian fiords
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@jers59 Let’s not be too disparaging about the effectiveness of German surface ships. We all learnt the lesson that the days of the Battleship were over all vulnerable to attacks by carriers & submarines. G did not have large surface navy due to restrictions to build & more importantly she was planning and prepared for a land war with Russia and did not plan on having to fight B. which would have required a sizable Navy.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Horseshit! Operation Watch on the Rhine or better yet The Battle of the Ardennes was an ambitious effort to extend the end of the war but whose failure merely hastened its conclusion.i do not think there was anything that could of stopped what was coming as much as this can be suggested the Germans were more fearful of the Russians than the Americans-The Allies had such overwhelming presence that Patton suggested that we should let them go all the way to Paris
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 You are correct that the Germans were more afraid of the Russians that the Allies.. and for obvious reasons… and that was why every German who died fighting the in the west squandered life.. after successful allied landings in France Germans should abandoned the war in the west putting everything against the Russians holding them off until the allies arrived and save their lives.
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@JBC814 North Africa was a lesson that Irwin Rommel taught the Americans when they,the Africa Core were in actual retreat from El Aleman(you know those circles around monty thing you were talking about)Rommel was in retreat from Monty when he pasted the newly arrived Americans at Kasserine Pass
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 : That's true, but Eisenhower called in Patton and he defeated Rommel in the next battle, which was the beginning of the end for Rommel as he was squeezed from both sides by Monty and Patton. Eisenhower always gave preference to Monty in Europe, but it was Patton who was the brains behind the brawn of the U.S. Army. It was Eisenhower's refusal to recognize Patton's abilities that dragged the war out a year longer than necessary.
JBC814 1 year ago
@JBC814 What Eisenhower diid say when asked as to the contribution that the hitherto unknown advantage was that that advantage provided for a decisive edge and make a victory in Northern Africa more likely to occur.The advantage held by Great Britain was a working prototype of the Nazi Code Machine hereby referred to as enigma.It was Polish Military only days before the onset of hostilities that shipped two working copies to 1.French Govt and 2.Great Britain
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 I am further confused… Patton was not involved in Monty’s victory at the 2nd battle of El Alamein of Oct 1942 he was involved in the allied invasion of North Africa a desert campaign in Nov 1942… involving mechanized arms & air power.. Enigma part of the German naval code used by U boat’s during the Battle of the Atlantic… so tell again how knowing about naval codes in the North Atlantic helped the allies in North Africa?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Irwin Rommels Africa core was denied needed supplies.These supplies whereby there are more than a couple stories of how the Broken Enigma Code yielded such information which allowed allied war ships to intercept and sink ships bound for North Africa-This was never more evident than in the very dramatic account of the second battle of El Aleman.The Africa core actually ran out of ammunition
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies It was Erwin Rommel who was not present at El Guetar and indeed the africa core was then as well in retreat however this was to be a different outcome then the first time the americans had met the africa core.This time was an allied victory
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies The Enigma was used by perhaps all the Branches of the Military and even some government offices-there are stories as to it being used in some very pedestrian enterprises.The Enigma had variations which apparently varied from one service to another however all were based on this working prototype.That is a true quote from Dwight David Eisenhower as to the role played by the Ultra Secret operations conducted during the north Africa campaign in world war II
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 so the german messages told us stuff we aleady knew,,, information like " hey we're getting hammered.. send help.." no that was not decsive we knew the Germans were being starved of resources.. having it confirmed by listening to german communications didnt change the situation..
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies "save the fight for the field" here perhaps as suggested elsewhare that did not seem to have mattered as the advantage offerred by Ultra was to have shortened the war by perhaps two years with German Enigma Decrypts taking two days by wars end.A discussion involving A Naples placed operation when Erwin Rommels Africa Core was denied 5 vessels(they were sunk)at a most important moment in the Africa Kore place on the African Continent
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 yes intelligence (especially actionable intelligence) about an enemies disposition can be very important hence the great efforts countries put into creating codes & syphers and trying to break the codes of others. However to say that command of codes can shorten conflicts like WW2 by a year or two is pure conjecture... up there with "what if?" alternative history which is just mental noodling
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 By late 1942 & early 43 Afrika Corp was being starved of supplies. Rommel’s supply lines were long and precarious with almost nothing coming across the Mediterranean Sea not seen by allies.. codes would not have impacted things much.. meanwhile in the Atlantic there were whole convoys of war materials & men at risk. The value of enigma was huge… The Battle for Atlantic was the only thing that worried Churchill and without enigma we would have lost
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Ultras greatest accomplishment was at the expense of the Africa Korp
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies The need to know was more of an interest of Germanies than it would be of the allies in so far as the Battle of the North Atlantic.it was the lack of a legitmate surface Navy that drove Nazi Germany to so vehemtly attack Cargo Vesels and convoys as this merely was meant to even things up.The damage done was almost to effective,at times the Allies had to cancel and rearrange schedules as losses were high even to high.GB had a up in a surface fleet which Germany did not over come
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MartinIDavies 1 year ago
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@Uncle65788 True German surface fleet was not comprable to RN however RN was tasked with global duty and so streched thin. The U boat offensive made total sense for Germany.. The only way to take Britain (& by extension USA) out of the war freeing up the need for resources being applied in the West... recall blockade was how Ger had been defeated by Britain in WW1
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@Uncle65788 True German surface fleet was not comprable to RN however RN was taksed with global duty so was streched thin. The U boat offensive made total sense for Germany.. it was the only way to take Britain & by extensioon USA out of the war freeing up resouces applied in the West for the Russian campaign... Recall it was blockade by RN that lead to G defeat in WW1
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 A Question would be while the Allies Sunk 5 cargo vessels bound for North Africa what impact would such an apparent accomplishment have on the disposition of the Enemy as it involved Erwin Rommels ability to mount an offense.I believe that such an accomplishment can be said to be the equal of a telling blow,that is it produced the desired effect and seriously curtailed any offesnsive notions that such an operation would entail
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 are you trying to say that a mechanised force like the Afrika Corp could not fight without arms and fule? Surely we all know this.. denying the enemy supplies is what most of WW2 was about
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Though GB was creditied with Ultra It was American code Breakers that cracked the Japanese Secret Code.one such detail allowed for a assasination to occur in mid-air These were dramatic instances how the war time efforts to break into the enemies flow of information were creditied with influencing the efforts in the war itself
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 Given that America (along with Australia & New Zealand) did much of the heavy lifting in the Pacific war it would make sense that USA would apply itself against Japanese codes. Recall that it was American deciphering of Japan’s naval code that enabled USA to lure Japan into the trap that was the Battle of Midway... the outcome of which turned the tide for Japan. After Midway Japan lost the initiative. So this is a great example of Code breaking having huge effects on outcomes
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies I am unaware of any such claim and in fact have never heard such a story.Midway was very much a hit and miss, we found them before they found us. we were fortunate that they were confused when caught with planes on their decks changing out armament.Midway hurt Japans Naval aspirations from that point on-4 Aircraft carriers were sunk and never again were they able to lauch such an attack as they could of if these 4 carriers had not been lost-I do not know of any "code breaking"
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 Though intelligence confirms enemy to strike at Midway Island,it was not quite the coop that is suggested-Midway was indeed very much a hit and miss with both sides making mistakes however Pearl was such a shocker that Midway might not need much intelligence to figure out,figure out however is what USNavy Did.Research yielded indeed broken japanese code placed IJN 05-06 Midway Island
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 Peral harbour was not a shocker only its timning and outcome was..
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies I really do not know how much difference in wording but families were playing early morning baseball as Japanese Zeroes were flying past in route just so to speak down the road to drop there bombs.There were some 2,300 plus military personnel lost-some nearly 6 battleships put out of commission a number of destroyers sunk and quite frankly had they made a third trip the IJN may very well have gotten what they wanted-we would of been seriously damaged-I do not know how to say ?
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 those numbers nearly across the board are all much much greater the damage done was truly significant.it was the Japanese who in fact failed to take full advantage perhaps as I have suggested it may well have been the saving grace
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 4 battleships sunk,there were 4 more that were badly damaged 8 in total.there were 3 cruisers sunk,3 destroyers sunk,1 training ship sunk,1 minelayer sunk,188 US aircraft destroyed,2402 personnel were killed as well as 1202 were wounded.The repercussions were so serious that shock is not entirely accurate Dec.7,1941 is a date that will live in infamy" FDR president of the USA-As a further consequence of this if you will infamous act the USA declared war on the Empire of Japan
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 If Code break was confirmed that is one thing however the IJN was a superior force at midway and if there strategy had been more perhaps worthy they could of walked in irregardless of such a consideration of a trap.
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies "The attack was a major engagement of World War 2 and came as a profound shock to the American people" one thing further if the Japanese had made a third trip they would of found the fuel depots,submarine pens and so on-it would of provided if so entered upon the means to do what they had intially set out to do and that was put us out of the action long enough to affect not only our place in the world but great britains as well.The Empire of Japan was an Axis power
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies perhaps and perhaps not Japan was more than merely an aggressor Japans actions elsewhere were seen often enough as unfriendly over time the controversial oil embargoes indeed made the declaration of war more tenable like I said perhaps and perhaps not.The intent was self sufficiency and that might justify japans actions again over time as being pre-determined-even the declaration of war was held up due to timing and thereby nullifying "infamous decry" not a nice picture!
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 Try and add things and information of value and are truely engaging.. as I read your past posts you are making no sense... your command of English is poor... I would go & chat on a site in your own language.. that way people will be able to see if your just misarticulating your thoughts or a true history muppet as you appear here or are maybe you are just plane crazy..
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies your arguments are weak willed and so is your resolve though the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor was indeed a surprise it can be argued that is was not meant to be.It can and further be suggested that though Midway was a defeat for the IJN it could of just as easily be a profound victory.The codebreaking was not the equal to the battle as both Pearl and Midway were fortunate that the greater ambition was not in the Jappanese Battle Plans
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 you need to read more. Yes Midway hit & miss as to how the actual battle unfolded but the battle itself was by no means an accident. The US was in the process of trying to break J naval code & to test & confirm their belief they had it cracked sent a trap message saying US was short of water at Midway. Later US code breakers picked up this information in a Japanese coded message. This was how US knew it had broken J naval code and so were expecting them at Midway
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies the accident had as much of the near miss quality that the attack on Pearl Harbor had.It was not so much the code breaking but the fact that Japan nearly and could of landed troops at midway and taken the island.It was more a point that such was the damage at Pearl that Midway was perhaps or had the look of a pre-invasion.We were fortunate that greater ambition was not taken in both of the aforementioned theatres of Pearl Harbor and Midway Island
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@JBC814 are you seriously proposing that had Eisenhower used Patton in adiffernt capacities that the war would have been over a year earlier! are you saying the Allies would have defeated Germany as early as May 1944 (before the actual invasion) you have our attention let the lesson begin... tell us how this might have been accomplished..
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies : In August '43 Patton handed Eisenhower his plan for the invasion of Europe: it was discarded and never reached Marshall's desk ( who could overrule Eisenhower). Eisenhower feared Patton's abilities, and concerned himself only with patronizing the Brits and his other generals (Bradley,etc.). If you read "Other Losses" by James Bacque you will learn of Ike's dark side. The plot to kill Patton was well known ("Target Patton" by Robert Wilcox).
JBC814 1 year ago
“Patronizing the Brits…” Without each other B & US would not have prevailed against Germany. There was no patronization. Do you know if Paton was asked to create an invasion plan if yes by who? The successful invasion of Europe was first & foremost one of logistics which was Eisenhower’s specialty. There was long precarious chain of supply from USA & B Empire to UK. Did Patton have experiences in global logistics? Finally Paton was a lose canon & a bully and was correctly benched
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@JBC814 " the beginning of the end for Rommel..." I can’t help wondering what history books are have been reading? Rommel’s decline began much earlier after Money beat him in north Africa at El Alamein the again in the invasion France.. by the time Paton was tagged to engage he was passed his sell by date.. and just like in North Africa he ran out of fuel while Patton did not… get a grip
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Actually I have a correction to make... of course Rommel and Patton did not actually fight each other in Europe... Rommel's last battles were during the invasion of France, Normandy... this was when Paton was commanding the fake decoe army in UK.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies In the Motion Picture "Patton"An aide to the General responded when queried as to the HQ information that Erwin Rommel was not present at El Guetar.He said but General no doubt that if you defeat Erwin Rommels plan you defeat Erwin Rommel.It is noted further that Rommel was home in a hospital with severe nasal deptheria
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 Rommel was a class act a German general of the old german miliatry school and much respected by the British and American generals and population.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@JBC814 It was true and indeed it took time to unfold but unfold it did.Nazi Germany did not have the capacity to fight a two front war.In fact there was damage done even as far back at the Battle of Kursk whereby Adolf hitler pulled needed resources from that very engagement to transfer them to European continent.This was one of the many topics that were talked of by Presidents Roosevelt,Prime Minister Churchill and Russian Leader Joseph Stalin
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Empire had 79% of the warships in the atlantic because german navy was worse of axis navy. Japan had real navy that was threat, aircraft carriers good fighting brave sailors warriors, best carrier pilots in 41 and early 42. The pacific is where real naval fighting took place no quarter asked none giving, kamikazes. german navy ran from fights or tried to hide, example tirpitz in Norway
jers59 1 year ago
@jers59 True major surface naval battles fought in Pacific. However primary concerns of allies was B must o survive without this WW2 was lost (USA would not prevail without B as an ally). Japan could wait. B survival hung on outcome of the Battle of Atlantic. This naval struggle was essential to allies ability to fight. G had been prevented from building large numbers of surface ships so went underwater. Had she had enough U boats war would have been lost. So Atlantic was the main show
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@jers59 Yes as good as Japanese Navy was & it was very effective it was just too small for the task and Japan’s was unable to build & replace losses – despite all the land and resources it had acquired which was the purpose of the war for them!. So by the wars end J had 4 carriers USA 104 with more on the way. Often forgotten was the huge impact that US subs had on starving J of food and resources… US version of Battle of Atlantic
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies US subs decimated the jap merchant fleet, sunk jap capital ships carriers Shokaku, Taijo, Shinano, BB Kongo
jers59 1 year ago
@jers59 yes an untold story
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@JBC814 The war in europe was un-intended however the war in Russia was not to be avoided.hitler wanted from Russia what england had in India.Hitler saw a handful of United Kingdom Soldiers govern hundreds of thousands of indian s and wanted that to be the same with Nazi.s Germanies conquest of soviet Russia
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 you say that “war in Europe was not intended”. Nonsense it was a vital precursor to Germany's attack on Russia. the plan was to hit hard & fast in the west & knock France out leaving Britain unable to fight on alone and so make a peace. With Europe safe they could get on with Russia avoiding a 2 front war. Problem was Britain was not defeated & continued to fight and so reducing German resources needed for Russian campaign.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies No it wasn't "The war in Europe was not intended"First and foremost Hitler wanted to set things straight before he did anything else.He wanted what was Germanies prior to World War 1-another consideration though like England he may wanted to become in so far as Russia is concerned he felt that Poland could get squeezed out of the picture.Though that maybe a mistake he tried diplomatically to corece Poland into various arraigements-everything failed
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 No Germany or more accuratley the Nazi's wanted a war and wanted to totally change the political lanscape of the world not just want something back.. and nothing was going to stop them it took the B & F a while to understand that. Meanwhile Stalin was in denial and delusional about Hitlers intention despite being spelt out in Mein Kampf..
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Hitler wanted to right the wrong of the Versailles Treaty and then he actually got the wrong war-"The Nazi's:A Warning from History" He most admired GB and as well made speeches as to the need for "Living Space" as a presursor to a War with Russia.He actually got a treaty with Russia and war with GB and France
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 what wrongs of Versailles? German was the vanquished and paid the price.. albeit high much against Britain's & USA's inclination. it is good to learn that your opinions coem from proper research and not some tidbit from talk radio... The problem with Hitler was he wanted to re-arrange the fragile European arrangments and was prepared to destroy neighboring countries and murder millions to achieve it... and so who cares what Hitler wanted ulimately he had to be stopped
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies The tidbit I heard was that the un-employment rate for then Germany was the highest in the world.This was prior to the election of Adolf Hitler as Germanies Chancellor.I think your inability to justify that there is another guy in this world besides yourself is the cause why such comments are without merit and lack quality as to life itself.it would that nose in front of your face be better not sticking in other peoples business.
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@Uncle65788 It is worth noting that the first concentration camps were used for political prisoner reform there were no outright plans to exterminate the Jewish people at that point in time.Indeed perhaps like the war things changed it can be suggested dramatically when such plans actually became real.One other interest of note this was Poland not Germany where the first concentration camps were constructed
Uncle65788 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies : I recently heard that Hitler suffered with several medical problems, not the least of which was syphilis. I'm sure that had something to do with his mental stability. In any case, he was only a politician and an accomplished propagandist. His military prowess was close to nil, bordering on suicidal. The conquest of France was his one and only success. If he had followed his plan as stated in "Mein Kampf", he would have invaded only Russia, not Poland and France.
JBC814 1 year ago
@JBC814 yes Hitler a drug addicted psychopathic megalomaniac and a military buffoon but he correctly called B & F out gaining much with bluff and bullying. He was also the only one to identify Normandy being the invasion site. There was no way Germany could have avoided a war with F and B.. if for no other reason you have to go thru Poland to get to Russia and Poland's independence was guaranteed by B and F.. imperial over reach true but the invasion of Poland did mean war with B & F
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@Sicj I agree .. Hitler a military bafoon... the only military call he got right was that the allies would come ashore in Normandy not Calias (which G high command thought).. he was an ignorant infantry WW1 man.. and prepared to fight accordingly. recall G was unable to prevail on the water or in the air.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
Sorry for my mistakes in the spelling,On what i was saying(Or typing) America had started with pilgrims And it be came a country with loyalty,and free religion.Soviet was a contry of brothership like USA,We had trouble with the britsish at the start but we became friends,poland is people who were the jewish,Nazi had a problem because they where jewish,ww2 started after years past now USA,Britsh,and Soviet had to fight(French too.),D-day (Aka Dooms day) we had lost 3rd percent of the us marines.
MrBoxen 1 year ago
Nazis weren't the good guys retared,They try to kill poland,Africa,soviet,french.soviet had to fight for their country to stay alive,And after that they took over germany,To show who is the bader army (Im American) Americans help the french brits made trasportaion for them,As I know USA and The Soviet had lost more men, NaziS try to kill people that had nothing to do with the wars,D-day and point du hoc is where America lost more men,Soviet lost men at their own country-
MrBoxen 1 year ago
The German military were tactical and technical savants. Operationally, strategically, and politically, they failed. They were obsessed with military necessity and sacrificed everything to win battles with no real plan to exploit the victories. They failed to even way the gains of many battles. The result was a long list of impressive victories without any strategic value. In fact, the tactical victories increased the strategic failure by wasting limited forces on battles without long term goals
bodasactra 1 year ago
It should be noted that Nazi Germany had some of the best military technology (ex: Panzer tank), the Russians were facing the elite units in the Nazi army (Eastern front was extremely bloody), and the Japanese navy was superior to the American navy until the Coral Sea and Midway. I know that the allies won and they are the good guys, but I hate when history becomes selective and muddled.
elesararwos 1 year ago
I would not say that Japan's navy was superior to the US. It was a larger navy but the ships and aircraft were very lightly made. They suffered severely in quantity and quality of anti-aircraft protection, armor, fire suppression and durability in all the equipment used. 4 top carriers destroyed in 6 minutes with just a few bombs from a remnant air group. Shortly into the war American pilots developed proper combat tactics to counter the Zero's maneuverability and exploit its light construction.
bodasactra 1 year ago
when I say superior, in short, I mean the US got slaughtered in the Pacific until Midway and the Coral Sea.
elesararwos 1 year ago
@elesararwos
Which major battles were fought after Pearl Harbor and prior to Midway and the Coral Sea that the US was "slaughtered" in?
graciehunterII 1 year ago
In my text books (More than one I might add), it's refered to as "a string of defeats"
elesararwos 1 year ago
@elesararwos the string of defeats were mostly Pearl Harbor, where the American fleet was decimated, the Philippines, and other small islands, and then over in South-East Asia, where the Japanese struck the British. There were no major battles after the strike on Peal Harbor, and before Midway and Coral Sea.
Ghukek10 1 year ago
if you say so then. I'm just reiterating what I read.
elesararwos 1 year ago
Panzer means tank I don't know what you mean. The Germans agree the T-34 was the best tank in the world. Far superior to the Panthers. Not as strong as a Tiger it was better balanced. Tiger was to big and did well west, in the east T-34 had the penetration power to kill a Tiger actually running circles around it. Over 400 Tigers and Panthers went down at Kursk. 800 USSR lost but they had more and could make more 3 to 1. Bad strategy to win the battle and have nothing left for the war.
bodasactra 1 year ago 2
ah ok I always hear it as Panzer. That's just me. Yes, the T-34 COULD penetrate the armor of the German tanks, but for other nations, such as the US, the tanks were more for infantry support than tank fighting.
elesararwos 1 year ago
@bodasactra The T-34 is not the best tank in the world the Abrams tank is the Best tank ever made.
Thebigpathfinder 1 year ago
@Thebigpathfinder What did it go back to WW2 in a time machine. The keywords here pathfinder would be was ww2. They did not have Abrams back then. besides the Abrams in ranked like 7th of all modern tanks. Blind loyalty is ignorance.
bodasactra 1 year ago
@Thebigpathfinder well ok thats true but if you look up best tank in the world you will get abrams tank fyi because there the most modern fastest loading tanks and can wipe a like ten tanks with only four abrams sorry you lose abrams is the best
Thebigpathfinder 1 year ago
@Thebigpathfinder the t34 is best of ww2
nelsonr12 1 year ago
yea hitler did alot of bad things but he said he wanted to make the world perfect....which was just stupid
iskateatheart 1 year ago
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statesmann 1 year ago
I h8 Russia they were worse than Germany in ww2 look it up u don't hear many stories because most people who saw it r Dead!
Augie46 1 year ago
dude your right like everybody is hatin on the nazis when stalin killed millions more. close to 70 million people died under stalin. hitler was only like 10. and yes stalin also killed jews but he started a year before his death so he could only kill around 600,000
BBHS23 1 year ago
so its ok because he only killed 10 million XD
Mega97Gamer 1 year ago
Thas true but it wasn't as organized, planned out, or efficient.
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