5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him.
you are adding an implication and the lord will add to you his implication.Yeshua was pierced for our sins,that IS NOT a free hand to sin,thats a truth!!,his sheep hear his voice.
There is nothing more logical than being saved through grace.Think about it!!
You have it all wrong my friend the father gave us a sacrifice for his people we are his sons and daughters. Just as Job did with his sons he gave to them so that they might be right before the Lord. God gave to us his son so that we might be right before him. He was a gift of sacrifice to take away the sins of the world, you are right no man can die for another mans sins. But if are father give to us sacrifice to be clean before him should be not honor him by taking it.
My Friend, you missed the two most important passages!!! You need to read Isaiah!!!
אכן חלינו הוא נשא ומכאבינו סבלם
Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried Isaiah 53:4
Messiah Yeshua bore our sins
וכבגד עדים כל־צדקתינו
all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment Isaiah 64:6
God is disgusted by our attempts to attain salvation by our works because he wants us to simply trust Yeshua for salvation--Yeshua was judged for our sins in our place--as our substitute.
@putevireligije Isaiah 53 is the life of Messiah told 700 years in advance. He is the Lamb led to slaughter in Isaiah 53:7 who carried our sins in Isaiah 53:4. The Prophet יוחנן המטביל, (Yochanan haMatbil) identified him for us:
הנה שה האלהים הנשא חטאת העולם
Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (Yochanan 1:29)
Sorry but no messiah can be find in Isa 53, even the Peter knew that the messiah was never supposed to die. G-d hates the very idea of human sacrifice, a blood sacrifice is not necessary before G-d that our sins may be forgiven. One can also see that one does not need a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins in the Book of Jonah 3:10. O man, what is good...? Only to do Justice, and to love Mercy and to walk humbly with your G-d. [Micah 6:6-8]
@putevireligije ------>a blood sacrifice is not necessary before G-d that our sins may be forgiven
כי נפש הבשר בדם הוא ואני נתתיו לכם על המזבח לכפר על נפשתיכם כי הדם הוא בנפש יכפר
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement Lev 17:11
@putevireligije My friend, you misunderstand Jonah 3:10 and Micah 6:6-8. While these verses were written, there were countless hundreds of thousands of animal blood sacrifices being offered in the temple. Why were these blood sacrifices offered, if according to you, they were not needed?
You really need to study the scriptures, pray to the Lord for your heart to be opened to the things contained in them. I will pray for you as well.
"Their bodies were brought back to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem for a certain sum of money." - acts 7:16
Torah Genesis 23, clearly said the Abraham bought the cave from Efron and that the cave is located in Hevron.
my advise to you my friend, if you are a true believer and a man of the truth, watch this:
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you're a liar, thief, and a blasphemer in the sight of God. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for your sins, His burial & resurrection)you'll not perish & have everlasting life!
I don't see that it was a commandment for all generations. (no man shall die for the sins of another.) The whole purpose of Yeshua making atonement is for the remnant that HaShem divorced for breaking His covenant (the lost 10 tribes.) Yeshua renewed the covenant for them. Also, why would HaShem ask Avraham to sacrifice Yitzhak? HaShem already knew beforehand that Avraham was willing to do that. HaShem was hinting a future event through that request. He would provide a Lamb for his remnant!
Don't you see that your own words are against the Torah. Human sacrifice was prohibited by the law. As regards the situation of Avraham, did G-d asked Avraham to sacrifice Yitzhak? We see that it is not the case, He only tempted his faith with impossible actions. Your own words make G-D words a lie (G-D forbid). G-D says if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live Eze 18:21,22
(continued) He's the only one who could be properly substituted for mankind because He is God in the flesh, and God is sinless. Only God Himself is a pure enough sacrifice to satisfy His holy justice, for all men have sinned.
The Bible declares that mankind must have a blood sacrifice to substitute penalty for their sins by placing them on the sacrifice. The sacrifice has to be blameless, else the punishment could not be substituted, since the thing sacrificed would be dying for its own sins. Clean and spotless animals were once sacrificed as a temporal measure until a fully qualified sacrifice could be supplied at the proper time. Followers of Yeshua believe He was that perfect sacrifice.
@joseff4321=I'm not an intellectually dishonest person, you're not a wise guy like the Amazing Messianic Jew who has the spirit of truth given to him by the Lord under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh.
Furthermore, Aviad Cohen is not a scholar, and your Christian scholars are not going to teach the Jews how to learn Torah. If there was anything even remotely connected to Jesus as God or messiah, they would have been the first to know, yet the portrait we find depicting the Messiah is diametrically opposed to the NT's picture.
Furthermore Jeconiah repented, thereby caused the curse to become revoked, so that there is no reason he shouldn't be born directly...
@joseff4321=Knock it off, O.K.? You know what you're pathetic. Yeshua (JESUS) is not tribeless at all. Both Joseph and Mary are from the tribe of Judah and of Davidic lineage. Joseph came through David's most famous son, Solomon; and Mary through Nathan, another son of David. These two lines merge again at Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, the governor of Judah, following the Babylonian captivity. The lines then divide again with Joseph coming from Zerubbabel through his son Abiud,
(continued) and Mary from Zerubbabel through his son Rhesa. There are clear exceptions in the Hebrew Scriptures regarding the right of a female to pass along the family heritage (see Numbers 27:1-7).
The fact that a heritage is transfered to women when no men are present has "absolutely" nothing to do with the fact that tribal association is from the father not the mother, as it says "According to their fathers house"(numbers 1:2), jesus has no biological father, he therefore is not associated to ANY tribe.
@joseff4321=You're still dead wrong, Yeshua HaMashiach is still of the tribe of Judah and always will be. Revelation 5:5 and Revelation 22:16 makes it very clear that Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David, and the bright and morning star. Genesis 49:10, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Micah 5:2, Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 7:14, and Isaiah 9:6 are all messianic prophecies.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore, The daughters of Tzelofchad were commanded "This is the word that the Lord has commanded regarding Zelophehad's daughters. Let them marry whomever they please, but they shall marry only to the family of their father's tribe.
Thus, the inheritance of the children of Israel will not be transferred from tribe to tribe, for each person from the children of Israel will remain attached to the inheritance of his father's tribe."(numbers 36:7-8)
@joseff4321=Mary is from the tribe of Judah, therefore Yeshua (JESUS) is from the tribe of Judah and the root of David and it's definitely and absolutely valid. God the Father has approved this.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Are you normal ? you are contradicting all the verses that say that tribal association is from the father, your claims are therefore false, how many times are we going to over the same point ?
@knightsofstjoan2004 Every daughter from the tribes of the children of Israel who inherits property, shall marry a member of her father's tribe, so each one of the children of Israel shall inherit the property of his forefathers.
And no inheritance will be transferred from one tribe to another tribe, for each person of the tribes of the children of Israel shall remain attached to his own inheritance."
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach is from the tribe of Judah and the root of David, Mary has passed along the family heritage to Him and God the Father has approved of Yeshua's inheritance.
@knightsofstjoan2004 The daughters of Tzelofchad are told to marry within their tribe so that their portion should not be transferred to the MEN of the of the tribe they marry.
Thus your very inaccurate ideas fall apart at the core.
You wanted to say, "since their is a law that an inheritance passes to daughters when no men are present therefore Jesus is considered from his mother's tribe"
@joseff4321=The sceptre has recently departed from Judah, therefore Yeshua (JESUS) has earned the right to inherit because Mary has passed along the family heritage to Him, and it's God's will.
@knightsofstjoan2004 The inheritance of Mary in the case she had no brothers, passes to whom ever she marries not jesus !
But even if she could pass on the inheritance(piece of land) to Jesus, how in the world would that make him from the line of David if Tribes go according to Father's house ?"
@joseff4321=Joseph is the rightful spouse of Mary. Both Mary and Joseph are of Davidic lineage. Joseph through Solomon and Mary through David's other son Nathan.
@knightsofstjoan2004 First of all, Tribal association, is always according to the father, and the very fact that the daughters of Tzlofchad received an inheritance was on account of THEIR FATHER not their mother, the mother had no portion.
Thus the fact Mary comes from David(even if she does) has nothing to do with Jesus, for tribes are according to father, and this we see from the very example youwanted to bring as proof !
@joseff4321=Numbers 27:1-7 is not a hoax, and that proves your blindness. It does having something to do with Yeshua (JESUS), since the sceptre departed from Judah and because He is the promised Messiah of Israel, He is qualified to inherit.
@joseff4321=Messianic Jews are not Christians and they don't call themselves that. Only Gentile followers and believers are Christians, they are either Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox Christian.
@joseff4321=I'm not an intellectually dishonest person, you're not a wise guy like the Amazing Messianic Jew who has the spirit of truth given to him by the Lord under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh. Messianic Jews are fulfilled and completed Jews and they have access to God because of the atoning work of Yeshua HaMashiach.
Wrong joseff4321, I'm not intellectually dishonest. And for your information, Yeshua (JESUS) is not a fabrication at all, He's real and He does exist. Yeshua HaMashiach appeared to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri in a vision and his vision is from God. Yeshua is the same Messiah whom Saul (later Paul) meet in a vision when he was on his way yo Damascus.
@knightsofstjoan2004 In conclusion don't believe in a lie check it, and when you see that this alleged theory does not stand trial, don't fool yourself because people stuff down your throat the idea that you will go to hell if you don;t accept Jesus, God is NOT a malevolent being that desires that people go to hell !!
In fact there is no hell in Judaism only a place where souls pass a limited amount of time to purify themselves so that they rise to the world to come.
@joseff4321=God may not be malevolent but He is a divine judge, and don't say that there's no hell in Judaism, heaven and hell both exist. It will be the Messiah who will judge you in the end, when you stand infront of God Almighty on Judgement Day, you will realize that He HaShem the Lord God of Israel is Yeshua the Jewish Messiah and you will surely and definitely tremble and be ashamed of your denial and rejection of Him and pay the ultimate price. You find that out when you get there.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore the inheritance of Marry in the case she had no brothers, passes to whom ever she marries not jesus !
But even if she could pass on the inheritance to Jesus, how in the world would that make him from the line of David if Tribes go according to Father's house ?
what i can't believe is how you used this as proof ! not only did it not help you, it was detrimental to your theory.
@joseff4321=The sceptre departed from Judah, even though Joseph is not his biological or earthly father, Yeshua (JESUS) is still qualified to inherit because Numbers 27:1-7 makes it very clear that a female has earned the right to pass along the family heritage, God the Father has approved this.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Numbers 27 makes it very clear that SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO INHERIT not to pass on anything, Numbers makes it very clear that her inheritance passes through whom she marries.
BUT EVEN IF she could pass it to her son who has no tribe, THIS does not make the son a part of her tribe !!!!
@knightsofstjoan2004 Passing a piece of land to someone else does not make this person a part of your tribe.
NUMBERS says very clearly a person's nationality is according to THE FATHER ! not only are the verses very clear are this point, there are several other verses which imply this fact.
Are you normal ?? Deuteronomy 18 doesn't even remotely speak about the Messiah, nor does it say anything about him being greater than Moses, please don't drag me into your hell, which is a place without reason.
In Deuteronomy 18 G-d is saying that he will send prophets, period. Indeed there wasn't a prophet that arose but many.
The NT is the Devil incarnate, the true deceiver. If you want holiness come to God of Israel, the God of Israel is with Israel, hence he is called the God of Israel.
@joseff4321=You are sincerely dead wrong, Yeshua (JESUS) is definitely and absolutely not the biggest lie in history at all. 1 John 2:22-23 and Romans 16:18 proves that you're a big fat deceitful liar.
@joseff4321=You're sincerely dead wrong, neither John nor Romans are liars and I'm definitely and absolutely not bought into the lie at all. It's you who is the liar, you're an Anti-Christ and a blasphemer, and your father is the devil. Yeshua (JESUS) is God Almighty in the flesh, and one day you will be judged for your lies and deceit and you're gonna burn hell.
@knightsofstjoan2004 There is no greater blasphemy than that which you uphold, for is it not written, " God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?" (numbers 23:19), yet you insist upon the lie of christianity.
If you want the truth,, just look at your Bible ! The biggest mistake of christianity was to give credence to the Torah, the reason being, they are incompatible, thus christianity buried its own grave.
@joseff4321=That is where you are mistaken. Numbers 23:19 does not mean that God cannot come 'in the flesh', that is, become a man. What it does mean is that He will not be vacillating, capricious or wishy-washy in His judgments, as sinful men tend to be. There is nothing in the Scriptures that says that God can't come in the flesh, and everything that states He can. Read what says in Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1-14, John 10:30, and 1 Timothy 3:16.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Your logic is shocking, to the exact contrary, it is a matter a fortiori, If G-d is not a man to lie, all the more so is he not a man to to become an actual man, enclothed in flesh full of excretions, excrements and odors, and furthermore at proximity to sin.
Furthermore, jesus was tempted by Satan, could G-D be tempted ??? please......
This verse is just one example of how christianity does not stand trial.
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do. God can do anything according to his will, he can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4) and many were surprised.
@knightsofstjoan2004 First you didn't answer the verse in Numbers, thus you counter by changing the subject.
Secondly, all of the verses you just cited are absolutely false and have nothing to do with God in the flesh ! Either the verses you cite speak of Angels, voices etc. NONE refer to God becoming man, in fact, the only verse which refers to the idea of God becoming man, is "Numbers 23:19" which refutes this idea !
@joseff4321=For your information Numbers 23:19 is not a messianic prophecy, it can't refute Isaiah 9:6 nor Jeremiah 23:5-6, nor Isiah 7:14. God did not become an ordinary man, but rather He left heaven and came to earth and He incarnated and manifested Himself in the flesh (in the form of a man) and dwelt among many. God is neither consigned nor limited to the flesh, He can manifest in whatever form He pleases in order to fulfill and accomplish His task.
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach is greater than Moses and the other prophets. Moses is a prophet like Isaiah and Jeremiah. Isaiah and Jeremiah do talk about Yeshua (JESUS) and that is the bottom line, you're saying that they don't speak of Yeshua because you don't want to believe in Him and you don't want to face the truth.
@joseff4321=No one distorted the Bible. It seems you have not read The Complete Jewish Bible which is composed of the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha which make it a complete word of God. Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18-19 makes it clear that the Messiah will be greater than Moses and who does not hearken unto him will pay a heavy price. You should go and read the whole book of Letter to the Hebrews, especially Hebrews 3:1-Hebrews 4:13.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore it being a Messianic Prophecy or not is irrelevant, the verses implications are clear, "GOD IS NOT A MAN", Prophecy is of no consequence.
@joseff4321=That is where you are mistaken. The Bible makes it very clear in 1 John 4:1-3 that whoever acknowledeges that Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lord God Almighty manifested in the flesh has the spirit of truth which is from God, but whoever denies this does not have the spirit of truth which is from God but the spirit of the Anti-Christ. Numbers 24:17 and Isaiah 7:14 are fulfilled in the Gospel of Matthew and it automatically fulfilled Isaiah 9:6.
@knightsofstjoan2004 lol "Most of the Sages have the wrong interpretation" lol, yes that is what people who possess absolutely no logic would say, all of the Sages interpretation fit like a glove and are always backed with every type of proof, they only work within scripture, unlike The very imaginative christians.
If just shows how ignorant you are of the material, please do not go there, you are making yourself look bad.
@joseff4321=Neither Gentile Christians nor Messianic Jews are imaginative, they have the spirit of truth given to them by God on who the true and authentic Messiah is. The Ruach HaKodesh is always with them.
@joseff4321=That is where you are mistaken. King David has two sons, Solomon and Nathan. Joseph from Solomon and Mary from Nathan. Although Joseph is not Yeshua's biological father, as his stepfather he was His legal guardian. Thus Joseph provides a patrilineal (father's side) tie to the line of David for Yeshua. This is why Joseph's genealogy is included in the New Covenant record. Yeshua's mother is still of Davidic lineage. Therefore Yeshua (JESUS) is indeed from the line of King David.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Listen good, if you can't realize how all of the responses which you have posted have not properly addressed, and certainly not refute my questions. I suggest you either review them or stop with this nonsense, because speaking over the questions is not going to help and certainly not going to lessen the questions intensity. Please stop this rant. I don't even know where to start, just go back and read, and if you can't see it, i'm afraid I can't help you...
@joseff4321=It isn't nonsense at all, you're no better than the Bible scholars and the amazing Messianic Jew Aviad Cohen. According to the prophet Jeremiah, Jeconiah (a descendant of King David) had come under a curse and made David's seed through Jeconiah invalid to serve as King as recorded in Jeremiah 22:30. Since Joseph was from Jeconiah's line, no physical son of Joseph could inherit the throne of David. The Messiah therefore had to be born a son of David but apart from Jeconiah.
@putevireligije=Mary and Joseph are both from the lineage of King David. Joseph came through David's most famous son, Solomon; and Mary through Nathan, another son of David. Read both Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-31.
@knightsofstjoan2004 And please don't quote distorted christian translations of the hebrew Bible, for unless you have strong logical proofs which fit nicely into the text, it is but gibberish. Every single verse raised by christians to support the jesus hoax, is nothing more than a lack of hebrew, a lack of context, etc.
B.Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C.Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
@joseff4321=Daniel 9:24-27 makes it very clear that the Messiah had to come prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple, after Yeshua fulfilled Isaiah 53 and God no longer accepts blood atonement from animal sacrfices on Yom Kippur, the temple priests continued to do animal sacrifices and it had already become an abomination to the Lord and so He allowed the Second Temple to be destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. to put an end to all animal sacrifices once and for all.
@knightsofstjoan2004 24 Again a false undertanding, Daniel speaks of Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed on Jerusalem in order to give the jews a chance to expiate their sins, and merit Messiah, which they did not do !
It has nothing to do with Jesus acting as an atonement ! the proof, the verse is very clear, Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed on Jerusalem in order to terminate the transgression and to end sin, which clearly implies in this span of time change your ways.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Was Jesus born before the destruction of temple or after ? If he was born before(which he was) then it makes no sense, Secondly if the temple was destroyed this means they did not merit everlasting Justice(for the prophecy is a dealine to repent lest there will be a destrustion) Thirdly the verse does not even mention Messiah ! iWhere is Jesus mentioned here ????? stop with the nonsense......
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach is from the tribe of Judah (see Genesis 49:10) and from the line of King David (see Jeremiah 23:5-6) and was born according to the Scriptures (see Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6), Numbers 24:17 is also a messianic prophecy and is connected to Isaiah 7:14. Daniel 9:24-29 automatically applies to Him that He had to come prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. And this is not nonsense at all and that proves your blindness.
@knightsofstjoan2004 We will put your claims away with one swift move, since you want to go into genealogies.
Numbers 1:2, and 26:2, state that genealogy is "ACCORDING TO THEIR FATHERS HOUSE", now since jesus had no father, this would make him tribeless, thus even if Joseph or Mary were from David, it is totally irrelevant, because genealogy is according the father, jesus has no father from David, period.
this makes your whole thesis untenable, making all other referrences of no consequence.
@joseff4321=That's where you're mistaken, my whole thesis is not untenable at all. Jeremiah 22:24–30 speaks of a curse on Jeconiah by God and no descendant of Jeconiah will ever have the right to sit on the throne of David. The Messiah therefore had to be born a son of David but apart from Jeconiah. Joseph was a son of David via Solomon and Jeconiah. He and his children were therefore under God's curse and would never fall heir to the throne of David.
(continued) Does that exclude Yeshua from being the Messiah? No, because Brit Chadasha says that Yeshua was conceived by the Ruach HaKodesh and born to a virgin, his mother Mary. It also clearly gives Yeshua's lineage as being via Mary back to Nathan and David and, therefore, proves the legitimacy of Yeshua's claim to be the Messiah.
@knightsofstjoan2004 (Cont.) But for that matter i can't believe you still cite Daniel after we already discussed the simple meaning of that verse, and proved it not like you had thought.
@joseff4321=You know what the truth is? The Messiah will be from the tribe of Judah and descend from the line of King David and it automatically requires that the Messiah will come according to the timetable from Daniel's prophecy (see Daniel 9:24-27), and it's not a hoax at all.
@joseff4321=You wanna know what the truth is? Long after Yeshua HaMashiach suffered and died for the sins of many and resurrected from the dead in fulfillment of Isaiah 53, the rabbis (non-messianic) reinterpreted this verse and started saying it was the nation of Israel because they didn't want to believe in Him.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Dr. Brown is ignorant of the Sages manner and code of interpretation, he reads the final product without understanding how they got there, Dr. Brown and Biblical interpretation is like letting a monkey drive a car.
But you may believe what you want, that is why you have free will......
@joseff4321=Most of the Sages have the wrong interpretation, those who receive the Ruach HaKodesh and where guided by it make the correct interpretation of the Bible.
(continued) If the Third Temple in Jerusalem is to be built, it would rather be a messianic temple, no animal sacrifices involved and Yeshua HaMashiach is now the eternal great high priest after the order of Melchizedek. And what makes you think that He will gather all Jews back to Eretz Yisrael? Israel became a nation again when the State of Israel was established in 1948 in fulfillment of a Bible prophecy (see Isaiah 66:8).
(continued) Many Jews from the diaspora immigrated to Eretz Yisrael that time and even before, and many are making an aliyah at present in fulfillment of a Bible prophecy (see Jeremiah 23:8, Jeremiah 30:3, Isaiah 43:5-6, Isaiah 11:12 and Ezekiel 36:28). And what makes you think He will usher in era of world peace? The truth about peace is that it is not something that can be bought or forced upon. Peace begins in the heart.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Messiah not forcing peace is irrelevant, did he bring no more WAR did he change animal nature in Animals ? Humans ? no ! in fact worse wars happened after him than before !
@joseff4321=Nothing is irrelevant, Yeshua HaMashiach came in a humble manner. As Prince of Peace, He makes peace in the hearts of people. He brings peace to the individual who believes in Him, individual peace comes first before there is world peace.
@knightsofstjoan2004 NONSENSE, are people at peace !!!!! IN fact on is tied to th other !!! if people were at peace there would be world peace and love instead there is the opposite !!!
ok now you are not being true, perhaps not intentionally, you know very well, that its for this very reason, namely because there is no peace not even in man's heart, that there will be a second comming, something with no Biblical support, not even an iota.
@joseff4321=That is where you're mistaken. When He comes the second time, He will judge the nations according to how they have responded to His offer of salvation. After separating those who are saved from those who reject Him, He will then fulfill the prophecies of the reigning king and bring world peace in Isaiah 2:1-4.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Yes yes that is what you say and other christians, who are they anyway ??? what authority do they have ??? did their ancesters receive the Torah at Sinai ????
Furthermore answer the genealogy problem, or perhaps you can't ??? if so why believe iin a lie ??
@joseff4321=It's not a lie at all, the Torah is full of great wisdom. The principles for salvation, atonement and God-ordained ways of worship as well as initial prophecies and God-ordained qualifications for the Messiah are found in the Torah, and Biblical standards are upholded upon the teachings of the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha.
(continued) When the Messiah Yeshua came by the 1st century A.D. He came to make peace in the hearts of people and to make peace between mankind and God. And before there can be peace in the world, all people must recognize their sinful condition and repent (see Jeremiah 3:13-18). The Messiah Yeshua will not force peace upon the world, regardless of its spiritual condition. Yeshua came in a humble fashion (see Zechariah 9:9) to die as an atonement for sins (see Isaiah 53).
@knightsofstjoan2004 Ok first of all, the not forcing people to make peace nonsense is nonsense, because the verse in Isaiah speaks of a peace in which there will be no more WAR !!! even animals nature will change !!! none of this happened yet so don't be a liar about this.
@joseff4321=I'm not a liar, there will be world peace long after the Gog and Magog war and when Yeshua HaMashiach returns and usher in the era of peace. What makes you think that the nature of animals will change? That does not make sense, and I''ve never heard of that before.
@knightsofstjoan2004 The verses never speak of a "RETURN" only a comming, period.
Secondly "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them." (Isaiah 11:6)
This clearly implies a chnage in nature.
IN fact the evil inclination will no longer exist in the real times of Messiah.
@knightsofstjoan2004 NO ! the real King will "COME" not return, to redeem the world.
Furthermore it appears you have remained silent regarding the genealogies of Messiah, indeed, Christianity has buried itself by claiming a virgin birth, bad idea......
@joseff4321=I'm not silent, the Messiah's genealogy is recorded in the gospels, a virgin birth is a Biblical revelation and it was God's work. It seems you don't even read The Complete Jewish Bible, the Messiah will be an heir to the throne of David and 2 Samuel 7:12-16 speaks about the Lord's promises to King David that he would make one of his descendants as king, just as he was. Yeshua HaMashiach is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. He is the real king, He came and one day He will return.
(continued) He will return to rule, at which time we will recognize him as the one who was pierced, the one who died as an atonement for sin (see Zechariah 12:10). At his return, he will usher in the Messianic Age-a time that everyone has been waiting for; a time of true peace in the world (see Isaiah 11).
@joseff4321 D.Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
did he do any of these things in his days ??? no.....
perhaps you will answer there is a second comming......
there is no place in the Tanach which speaks of a second comming !
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach will come and return coming from the clouds of heaven (see Daniel 7:13). He already brought the whole world bought Jew and Gentile to know and worship the God of Israel. Jews and Gentiles are one because of one God and Father of all: one Lord, one faith and one Baptism. They share equally in the Spirit of God, who lives in all of them.
@joseff4321=You know what you're a fool and that proves your blindness, there no distorted translations involved. The Complete Jewish Bible is composed of the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha and Yeshua HaMashiach (JESUS CHRIST) is not a hoax because Biblical Judaism is the faith of Messianic Jews and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings and they have access to God because of the Messiah's great atoning work.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Thirdly, you are personal and attack with insults and hell(saying i will burn in hell), did Jesus teach you that Love ??? or perhaps the Satan who is behind jesus ??
Yet you fail to reason and use some even a little logic.
@joseff4321=The only way that HaSatan can do to make you go to hell is by making you reject Yeshua HaMashiach. If you reject what Yeshua HaMashiach did to save you, you're toast.
First of all i Don't serve G-d for reward, the observance is the reward.
Secondly "For every deed God will bring to judgment-for every hidden thing, whether good or bad. The end of the matter, everything having been heard, fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the entire man." (King Solomon)
And you said The Hebrew Bible is compatible with NT nonsense ???
@joseff4321=You are sincerely dead wrong, the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) is definitely and absolutely not fiction nor an amalgamation of good and evil at all. The reason why you are saying that is because you refuse to believe what says in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is true and you're being blinded and deceived by HaSatan. The Tanakh and Brit Chadasha are both divine and equally holy, that's the truth and that truth is not overrated.
@knightsofstjoan2004 You forget one thing, the Israelites are to be light unto the Nations teaching them how to serve the Almighty and abandon their idolatry not the other way around, it is not for nothing that the Israelites were chosen for this task, thus when Israelites till you this is not the manner in which onw should serve God Almighty, believe them, especially when they come with proofs and reason.
@joseff4321=The Lord has used organizations like Jews for Jesus to bring the truth about Messiah to many Jewish people, to start Messianic synagogues, and to help Gentile Christians learn about the Jewish roots of the faith. Good Messianic congregations and ministries need to work together. Yeshua HaMashiach is the light of the world and is the most popular, the most studied and the most influential figure in the history of mankind. The Gospel is to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.
(continued) There is no mistake involved and nothing is incompatible, the Torah is full of great wisdom. In the Torah are found the principles for salvation, atonement and God-ordained ways of worship. The initial prophecies and God-ordained qualifications for the Messiah are found there. It is neither useless nor irrelevant for Gentile Christians.
@knightsofstjoan2004 it would be more credible to suppose he was Mashaich but not more than that (early christians believed exacly that, indeed it was a subject of debate when the priests were summoned by constantine to decide the future of christianity)
@joseff4321=The earliest followers of Yeshua (JESUS), the founding apostles were Jews, the earliest missionaries were Jews, and earliest congregation were entirely Jewish. It was always God's will for the Gentile nations to share in His salvation (see Isaiah 42:6 and Isaiah 49:6). God told Abraham that through him all the nations of the Earth would be blessed (see Genesis 12:1-3), therefore the promises made were fulfilled.
@knightsofstjoan2004 As a Non-jew you have two choices, either to fulfill the 7 laws of Noah, which include idolatry, which would takes jesus out of the picture, or convert and accept upon yourself the 613 laws of the Israelites.
Depends upon you to decide the degree of responsiblity you desire, either way, if it is reward you are concerned with, as most christians are, these are the paths, both are holy, both are good, it is a matter of responsibility,
@joseff4321=The 7 Noachide laws are carried into the new covenant. Yeshua HaMashiach is the mediator between mankind and God (see 1 Timothy 2:5). The Son of God is God the Father in the flesh as foretold in Isaiah 9:6 as Yeshua HaMashiach says in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one". God Almighty Himself is God the Father, God the Son (Yeshua HaMashiach) and God the Ruach HaKodesh.
(continued) Therefore these three are one and the same God of Israel (see 1 John 5:7), not because He had to be but He choose to be, and that is how God interacts with humankind through His triune nature and causes them to relate to Him. Tanakh and Brit Chadasha are the complete word of God.
@knightsofstjoan2004 In conclusion, because i don't have time to go back and forth like this for days, Please take the time to study the Hebrew Bible honestly without any preconceptions, or tendencies, and of capital importance to read them in hebrew, the original, and those who search for truth will find it.
@joseff4321=Both Jew and Gentile found the truth because they receive the Ruach HaKodesh and lead them to the truth. They all have access to God through Yeshua HaMashiach, He says in John 14:6 "I am the truth, the way, and the life: no one comes to the Father but by me."
@knightsofstjoan2004 Just because soemone claims he is the truth, or that people say he is in his name, it certainly does not prove he is !! In fact there have been many False figures in JUdaism along the years, beginning With Korach, ending with Shabatay Tzvi and Jacob Frank, all claimed to be Messiah and had large followings so what ????
Even i the days before the destruction of temple, Bar Kochva was pronounced the Messiah until he failed.
@joseff4321=Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri confirmed that Yeshua (JESUS) is the Messiah. He met the Messiah in a vision a few months before his passing, his vision is from God as foretold in Joel 2:28 (KJV). Yeshua is the name of the Messiah revealed by the rabbi. In fact it was revealed by Yeshua Himself appearing to Kaduri.
@knightsofstjoan2004 LOLOL now you turn to the Rabbis ???? first you say The Rabbis don't know, now they know ?? speaking of selection out of convenience.
@joseff4321=Not all the rabbis, past and present, have rejected Yeshua. Orthodox Rabbi Isaac Lichtenstein, Orthodox Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter, and Reform Rabbi Dr. Max Wertheimer believed in Yeshua. In fact, there have been enough rabbis that have believed in Yeshua that several books have been compiled with their stories. One of these books is entitled "Would I, Would You?"
@knightsofstjoan2004 Concerning the Rav Kadouri matter, first of all the name encoded is Yehoshua
and yet jesus's name is yeshua not Yehoshua, furthermore Rav Kadouri did not leave exact instructions to decode it(and one familiar with Kabalah knows the depth with which a Kabalist speaks)
@joseff4321=Yehoshua or Yeshua are the same. The Messiah's name can be mentioned in either Hebrew or Aramaic. The Bible Code from Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:16, Genesis 49:10, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18-19, Zechariah 9:9, Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Daniel 9:24-27 and other messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures reveals the Messiah's name is Yeshua.
@knightsofstjoan2004 furthermore even if we were to assume the name of the Mashiach is Yehoshua, this is besides the fact that this is not jesus's name as mentioned above, even if we were to say it was his name it still proves nothing, for do you know how many Yehoshuas there are in the world ????
@knightsofstjoan2004 and if we were to suppose one of the Yehoshuas was to return then we should also take into consideration all of the Yehoshuas of the past, what proof is there that jesus is the true Yehoshua ? there happens to be thousands upon thousands of them if we were to take into account all Yehoshua of the past.
@joseff4321=It is Yehoshua or Yeshua (JESUS) of Nazareth who will return. He will return long after Ariel Sharon passes away and long after the Gog and Magog war. His name means "salvation" or "YHWH saves".
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore we cannot say a yehoshua from the past shall come to redeem for if any of those Yehoshuas have not fulfilled the prophecies, then they are not Mashiach and if they are not, they can't come back because Mashaich only comes once
@joseff4321=The truth is that the Messiah had to come according the timetable from Daniel's prophecy (see Daniel 9:24-27) and that He will be Suffering Servant Messiah who will suffer and die and resurrect from the dead and His mission will include the Gentiles through his appointed Jewish apostles and becoming a light to the nations, and He will return to this world in the future where will usher in the messianic age sitting on the throne of David in righteousness and an era of world peace.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Rather if the name is Yehoshua it would have be someone of this generation, and this would disqualify jesus, for there is no second comming.
false prophets...many in the likes
Isaiah 53-the Torah says.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him.
you are adding an implication and the lord will add to you his implication.Yeshua was pierced for our sins,that IS NOT a free hand to sin,thats a truth!!,his sheep hear his voice.
There is nothing more logical than being saved through grace.Think about it!!
-fellow Cohen.
bloodhoundHermetic 3 months ago
You have it all wrong my friend the father gave us a sacrifice for his people we are his sons and daughters. Just as Job did with his sons he gave to them so that they might be right before the Lord. God gave to us his son so that we might be right before him. He was a gift of sacrifice to take away the sins of the world, you are right no man can die for another mans sins. But if are father give to us sacrifice to be clean before him should be not honor him by taking it.
jcoggy996611 3 months ago
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Brandii228 5 months ago
@Brandii228 Thank you :)
putevireligije 5 months ago
@putevireligije No prob! (O:
Brandii228 5 months ago
My Friend, you missed the two most important passages!!! You need to read Isaiah!!!
אכן חלינו הוא נשא ומכאבינו סבלם
Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried Isaiah 53:4
Messiah Yeshua bore our sins
וכבגד עדים כל־צדקתינו
all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment Isaiah 64:6
God is disgusted by our attempts to attain salvation by our works because he wants us to simply trust Yeshua for salvation--Yeshua was judged for our sins in our place--as our substitute.
egwpisteuw 7 months ago
@egwpisteuw
Sorry but that have nothing to do with Messiah.
putevireligije 7 months ago
@putevireligije Isaiah 53 is the life of Messiah told 700 years in advance. He is the Lamb led to slaughter in Isaiah 53:7 who carried our sins in Isaiah 53:4. The Prophet יוחנן המטביל, (Yochanan haMatbil) identified him for us:
הנה שה האלהים הנשא חטאת העולם
Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (Yochanan 1:29)
egwpisteuw 7 months ago
@egwpisteuw
Sorry but no messiah can be find in Isa 53, even the Peter knew that the messiah was never supposed to die. G-d hates the very idea of human sacrifice, a blood sacrifice is not necessary before G-d that our sins may be forgiven. One can also see that one does not need a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins in the Book of Jonah 3:10. O man, what is good...? Only to do Justice, and to love Mercy and to walk humbly with your G-d. [Micah 6:6-8]
putevireligije 7 months ago
@putevireligije --------->Peter knew that the messiah was never supposed to die
Then why did Peter quote Isaiah 53 as applying to Messiah Yeshua:
ואת-חטאותינו הוא נשא בגויתו על-העץ
He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross 1 Peter 2:24
egwpisteuw 7 months ago
@putevireligije ------>a blood sacrifice is not necessary before G-d that our sins may be forgiven
כי נפש הבשר בדם הוא ואני נתתיו לכם על המזבח לכפר על נפשתיכם כי הדם הוא בנפש יכפר
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement Lev 17:11
egwpisteuw 7 months ago
@putevireligije My friend, you misunderstand Jonah 3:10 and Micah 6:6-8. While these verses were written, there were countless hundreds of thousands of animal blood sacrifices being offered in the temple. Why were these blood sacrifices offered, if according to you, they were not needed?
You really need to study the scriptures, pray to the Lord for your heart to be opened to the things contained in them. I will pray for you as well.
egwpisteuw 7 months ago
@egwpisteuw
:P
putevireligije 7 months ago
bs"d
@putevireligije
can you explain me this please:
"Their bodies were brought back to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem for a certain sum of money." - acts 7:16
Torah Genesis 23, clearly said the Abraham bought the cave from Efron and that the cave is located in Hevron.
my advise to you my friend, if you are a true believer and a man of the truth, watch this:
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MadNek 5 months ago
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What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you're a liar, thief, and a blasphemer in the sight of God. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for your sins, His burial & resurrection)you'll not perish & have everlasting life!
gramosjr7 9 months ago 2
I don't see that it was a commandment for all generations. (no man shall die for the sins of another.) The whole purpose of Yeshua making atonement is for the remnant that HaShem divorced for breaking His covenant (the lost 10 tribes.) Yeshua renewed the covenant for them. Also, why would HaShem ask Avraham to sacrifice Yitzhak? HaShem already knew beforehand that Avraham was willing to do that. HaShem was hinting a future event through that request. He would provide a Lamb for his remnant!
LouieG7777 10 months ago
@LouieG7777
Don't you see that your own words are against the Torah. Human sacrifice was prohibited by the law. As regards the situation of Avraham, did G-d asked Avraham to sacrifice Yitzhak? We see that it is not the case, He only tempted his faith with impossible actions. Your own words make G-D words a lie (G-D forbid). G-D says if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live Eze 18:21,22
putevireligije 10 months ago
@putevireligije To tell you the truth, I'm new to Torah. Tell me exactly where it says that Human sacrifice is prohibited by Torah.
LouieG7777 10 months ago
(continued) He's the only one who could be properly substituted for mankind because He is God in the flesh, and God is sinless. Only God Himself is a pure enough sacrifice to satisfy His holy justice, for all men have sinned.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004
Lol :p
putevireligije 1 year ago
The Bible declares that mankind must have a blood sacrifice to substitute penalty for their sins by placing them on the sacrifice. The sacrifice has to be blameless, else the punishment could not be substituted, since the thing sacrificed would be dying for its own sins. Clean and spotless animals were once sacrificed as a temporal measure until a fully qualified sacrifice could be supplied at the proper time. Followers of Yeshua believe He was that perfect sacrifice.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
Isaiah 53:5 is fulfilled in 1 Peter 2:24.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
either admit that you can;t answer the question or stop. Stop being intellectually dishonest, and stop wasting both your time and mine.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=I'm not an intellectually dishonest person, you're not a wise guy like the Amazing Messianic Jew who has the spirit of truth given to him by the Lord under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
Furthermore, Aviad Cohen is not a scholar, and your Christian scholars are not going to teach the Jews how to learn Torah. If there was anything even remotely connected to Jesus as God or messiah, they would have been the first to know, yet the portrait we find depicting the Messiah is diametrically opposed to the NT's picture.
Furthermore Jeconiah repented, thereby caused the curse to become revoked, so that there is no reason he shouldn't be born directly...
Your Thesis simply implodes.
joseff4321 1 year ago
What part of "someone who has an adoptive father does not belong to that tribe" don't you understand???
Tribal associations are entirely from the biological father, as the verses in Numbers very clearly indicate.
Jesus had no biological father from ANY tribe he is tribeless..
For example, converts were considered tribeless.
It doesn't get any clearer than this.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Knock it off, O.K.? You know what you're pathetic. Yeshua (JESUS) is not tribeless at all. Both Joseph and Mary are from the tribe of Judah and of Davidic lineage. Joseph came through David's most famous son, Solomon; and Mary through Nathan, another son of David. These two lines merge again at Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, the governor of Judah, following the Babylonian captivity. The lines then divide again with Joseph coming from Zerubbabel through his son Abiud,
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) and Mary from Zerubbabel through his son Rhesa. There are clear exceptions in the Hebrew Scriptures regarding the right of a female to pass along the family heritage (see Numbers 27:1-7).
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 You still haven't responded to anything !
The fact that a heritage is transfered to women when no men are present has "absolutely" nothing to do with the fact that tribal association is from the father not the mother, as it says "According to their fathers house"(numbers 1:2), jesus has no biological father, he therefore is not associated to ANY tribe.
Don't mix up tribal association with a heritage.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You're still dead wrong, Yeshua HaMashiach is still of the tribe of Judah and always will be. Revelation 5:5 and Revelation 22:16 makes it very clear that Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David, and the bright and morning star. Genesis 49:10, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Micah 5:2, Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 7:14, and Isaiah 9:6 are all messianic prophecies.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 You're doing it again (circumventing the question), talking over th question does not answer the question.
Stop wasting both your time and mine.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Wrong, I am answering the right question.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore, The daughters of Tzelofchad were commanded "This is the word that the Lord has commanded regarding Zelophehad's daughters. Let them marry whomever they please, but they shall marry only to the family of their father's tribe.
Thus, the inheritance of the children of Israel will not be transferred from tribe to tribe, for each person from the children of Israel will remain attached to the inheritance of his father's tribe."(numbers 36:7-8)
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Mary is from the tribe of Judah, therefore Yeshua (JESUS) is from the tribe of Judah and the root of David and it's definitely and absolutely valid. God the Father has approved this.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Are you normal ? you are contradicting all the verses that say that tribal association is from the father, your claims are therefore false, how many times are we going to over the same point ?
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Wrong, they're not false at all. They are entirely accurate, valid, and definitely and absolutely correct.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Every daughter from the tribes of the children of Israel who inherits property, shall marry a member of her father's tribe, so each one of the children of Israel shall inherit the property of his forefathers.
And no inheritance will be transferred from one tribe to another tribe, for each person of the tribes of the children of Israel shall remain attached to his own inheritance."
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach is from the tribe of Judah and the root of David, Mary has passed along the family heritage to Him and God the Father has approved of Yeshua's inheritance.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 "Mary has passed along the family heritage to Him and God the Father has approved of Yeshua's inheritance."
Yes Jesus inherited a piece of land, right on.......
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua (JESUS) is Messiah Ben David, Messiah Ben Joseph, and Messiah Ben Yahweh.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 The daughters of Tzelofchad are told to marry within their tribe so that their portion should not be transferred to the MEN of the of the tribe they marry.
Thus your very inaccurate ideas fall apart at the core.
You wanted to say, "since their is a law that an inheritance passes to daughters when no men are present therefore Jesus is considered from his mother's tribe"
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The sceptre has recently departed from Judah, therefore Yeshua (JESUS) has earned the right to inherit because Mary has passed along the family heritage to Him, and it's God's will.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 The inheritance of Mary in the case she had no brothers, passes to whom ever she marries not jesus !
But even if she could pass on the inheritance(piece of land) to Jesus, how in the world would that make him from the line of David if Tribes go according to Father's house ?"
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Joseph is the rightful spouse of Mary. Both Mary and Joseph are of Davidic lineage. Joseph through Solomon and Mary through David's other son Nathan.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 If you don't undersatnd that i can;t help you.......
Intellectual dishonesty is not the best policy.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=I'm not an intellectually dishonest person.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 If so, you must admit to the truth of the argument.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 lol, this is not about being WISE, this is about intellectual honesty.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Messianic Jews are intellectually honest.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Unless your hebrew Bible says differently than ours, you must concede to the truth of the argument.
To simply say i don't know how to anser this question.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The Bible is still the same, no matter what language, wether Hebrew or Greek or whatsoever.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@joseff4321=You are no better that the Bible scholars and the amazing Messianic Jew Aviad Cohen.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 First of all, Tribal association, is always according to the father, and the very fact that the daughters of Tzlofchad received an inheritance was on account of THEIR FATHER not their mother, the mother had no portion.
Thus the fact Mary comes from David(even if she does) has nothing to do with Jesus, for tribes are according to father, and this we see from the very example youwanted to bring as proof !
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Numbers 27:1-7 is not a hoax, and that proves your blindness. It does having something to do with Yeshua (JESUS), since the sceptre departed from Judah and because He is the promised Messiah of Israel, He is qualified to inherit.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Christians like you make me understand why there are Atheists in the world.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Messianic Jews are not Christians and they don't call themselves that. Only Gentile followers and believers are Christians, they are either Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox Christian.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 If you can't be honest you can't be with God.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=I'm not an intellectually dishonest person, you're not a wise guy like the Amazing Messianic Jew who has the spirit of truth given to him by the Lord under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh. Messianic Jews are fulfilled and completed Jews and they have access to God because of the atoning work of Yeshua HaMashiach.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Yes you appear to be intellectually dishonest, not only regarding this matter, but of several matters we spoke of.
We cannot have this conversation, you are very unreasonable, and i don;t even know if "unreasonable" is the word that fits the context.
I speak of one thing, you jump to another.
joseff4321 1 year ago
Wrong joseff4321, I'm not intellectually dishonest. And for your information, Yeshua (JESUS) is not a fabrication at all, He's real and He does exist. Yeshua HaMashiach appeared to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri in a vision and his vision is from God. Yeshua is the same Messiah whom Saul (later Paul) meet in a vision when he was on his way yo Damascus.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 In conclusion don't believe in a lie check it, and when you see that this alleged theory does not stand trial, don't fool yourself because people stuff down your throat the idea that you will go to hell if you don;t accept Jesus, God is NOT a malevolent being that desires that people go to hell !!
In fact there is no hell in Judaism only a place where souls pass a limited amount of time to purify themselves so that they rise to the world to come.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=God may not be malevolent but He is a divine judge, and don't say that there's no hell in Judaism, heaven and hell both exist. It will be the Messiah who will judge you in the end, when you stand infront of God Almighty on Judgement Day, you will realize that He HaShem the Lord God of Israel is Yeshua the Jewish Messiah and you will surely and definitely tremble and be ashamed of your denial and rejection of Him and pay the ultimate price. You find that out when you get there.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore the inheritance of Marry in the case she had no brothers, passes to whom ever she marries not jesus !
But even if she could pass on the inheritance to Jesus, how in the world would that make him from the line of David if Tribes go according to Father's house ?
what i can't believe is how you used this as proof ! not only did it not help you, it was detrimental to your theory.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The sceptre departed from Judah, even though Joseph is not his biological or earthly father, Yeshua (JESUS) is still qualified to inherit because Numbers 27:1-7 makes it very clear that a female has earned the right to pass along the family heritage, God the Father has approved this.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Numbers 27 makes it very clear that SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO INHERIT not to pass on anything, Numbers makes it very clear that her inheritance passes through whom she marries.
BUT EVEN IF she could pass it to her son who has no tribe, THIS does not make the son a part of her tribe !!!!
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua is still from the tribe of Judah and always will be because Jeremiah 23:5-6 has been fulfilled.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Passing a piece of land to someone else does not make this person a part of your tribe.
NUMBERS says very clearly a person's nationality is according to THE FATHER ! not only are the verses very clear are this point, there are several other verses which imply this fact.
joseff4321 1 year ago
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@joseff4321=Jeremiah 23:5-6 has been fulfilled, therefore Yeshua HaMashiach is from the tribe of Judah and always will be.
knightsofstjoan2004 10 months ago
Are you normal ?? Deuteronomy 18 doesn't even remotely speak about the Messiah, nor does it say anything about him being greater than Moses, please don't drag me into your hell, which is a place without reason.
In Deuteronomy 18 G-d is saying that he will send prophets, period. Indeed there wasn't a prophet that arose but many.
The NT is the Devil incarnate, the true deceiver. If you want holiness come to God of Israel, the God of Israel is with Israel, hence he is called the God of Israel.
joseff4321 1 year ago
The truth is out, jesus is the biggest lie in history.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You are sincerely dead wrong, Yeshua (JESUS) is definitely and absolutely not the biggest lie in history at all. 1 John 2:22-23 and Romans 16:18 proves that you're a big fat deceitful liar.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Easy enough, John is is a liar, Romans is a liar, and you bought into the lie.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You're sincerely dead wrong, neither John nor Romans are liars and I'm definitely and absolutely not bought into the lie at all. It's you who is the liar, you're an Anti-Christ and a blasphemer, and your father is the devil. Yeshua (JESUS) is God Almighty in the flesh, and one day you will be judged for your lies and deceit and you're gonna burn hell.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 There is no greater blasphemy than that which you uphold, for is it not written, " God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?" (numbers 23:19), yet you insist upon the lie of christianity.
If you want the truth,, just look at your Bible ! The biggest mistake of christianity was to give credence to the Torah, the reason being, they are incompatible, thus christianity buried its own grave.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=That is where you are mistaken. Numbers 23:19 does not mean that God cannot come 'in the flesh', that is, become a man. What it does mean is that He will not be vacillating, capricious or wishy-washy in His judgments, as sinful men tend to be. There is nothing in the Scriptures that says that God can't come in the flesh, and everything that states He can. Read what says in Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1-14, John 10:30, and 1 Timothy 3:16.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Your logic is shocking, to the exact contrary, it is a matter a fortiori, If G-d is not a man to lie, all the more so is he not a man to to become an actual man, enclothed in flesh full of excretions, excrements and odors, and furthermore at proximity to sin.
Furthermore, jesus was tempted by Satan, could G-D be tempted ??? please......
This verse is just one example of how christianity does not stand trial.
The Hebrew Bible is full of such examples.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do. God can do anything according to his will, he can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4) and many were surprised.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 First you didn't answer the verse in Numbers, thus you counter by changing the subject.
Secondly, all of the verses you just cited are absolutely false and have nothing to do with God in the flesh ! Either the verses you cite speak of Angels, voices etc. NONE refer to God becoming man, in fact, the only verse which refers to the idea of God becoming man, is "Numbers 23:19" which refutes this idea !
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=For your information Numbers 23:19 is not a messianic prophecy, it can't refute Isaiah 9:6 nor Jeremiah 23:5-6, nor Isiah 7:14. God did not become an ordinary man, but rather He left heaven and came to earth and He incarnated and manifested Himself in the flesh (in the form of a man) and dwelt among many. God is neither consigned nor limited to the flesh, He can manifest in whatever form He pleases in order to fulfill and accomplish His task.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 It doesn't have to refute Isaiah and Jeremiah because they are not in contradiction, Isaiah and Jeremiah DON"T speak of Jesus.
Furthermore Isaiah and Jeremiah have no authority over Moses, they are like children before him in Scripture.
Thus the challenge remains from Numbers 23
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach is greater than Moses and the other prophets. Moses is a prophet like Isaiah and Jeremiah. Isaiah and Jeremiah do talk about Yeshua (JESUS) and that is the bottom line, you're saying that they don't speak of Yeshua because you don't want to believe in Him and you don't want to face the truth.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 lol Jesus is not greater than Moses, in any way, and even the real Messiah won't be greater in prophecy.
Furthermore from which hat did you pull this from ? where in the hebrew Bible ? or perhaps it is the Christian Bibles who distort ?
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=No one distorted the Bible. It seems you have not read The Complete Jewish Bible which is composed of the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha which make it a complete word of God. Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18-19 makes it clear that the Messiah will be greater than Moses and who does not hearken unto him will pay a heavy price. You should go and read the whole book of Letter to the Hebrews, especially Hebrews 3:1-Hebrews 4:13.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore it being a Messianic Prophecy or not is irrelevant, the verses implications are clear, "GOD IS NOT A MAN", Prophecy is of no consequence.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=That is where you are mistaken. The Bible makes it very clear in 1 John 4:1-3 that whoever acknowledeges that Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lord God Almighty manifested in the flesh has the spirit of truth which is from God, but whoever denies this does not have the spirit of truth which is from God but the spirit of the Anti-Christ. Numbers 24:17 and Isaiah 7:14 are fulfilled in the Gospel of Matthew and it automatically fulfilled Isaiah 9:6.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 lol "Most of the Sages have the wrong interpretation" lol, yes that is what people who possess absolutely no logic would say, all of the Sages interpretation fit like a glove and are always backed with every type of proof, they only work within scripture, unlike The very imaginative christians.
If just shows how ignorant you are of the material, please do not go there, you are making yourself look bad.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Neither Gentile Christians nor Messianic Jews are imaginative, they have the spirit of truth given to them by God on who the true and authentic Messiah is. The Ruach HaKodesh is always with them.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 You didn't answer my question at all, and you gone with this nonsense.
Jesus is tribeless NOfather therefore he cannot come from David, period.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=That is where you are mistaken. King David has two sons, Solomon and Nathan. Joseph from Solomon and Mary from Nathan. Although Joseph is not Yeshua's biological father, as his stepfather he was His legal guardian. Thus Joseph provides a patrilineal (father's side) tie to the line of David for Yeshua. This is why Joseph's genealogy is included in the New Covenant record. Yeshua's mother is still of Davidic lineage. Therefore Yeshua (JESUS) is indeed from the line of King David.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Listen good, if you can't realize how all of the responses which you have posted have not properly addressed, and certainly not refute my questions. I suggest you either review them or stop with this nonsense, because speaking over the questions is not going to help and certainly not going to lessen the questions intensity. Please stop this rant. I don't even know where to start, just go back and read, and if you can't see it, i'm afraid I can't help you...
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=It isn't nonsense at all, you're no better than the Bible scholars and the amazing Messianic Jew Aviad Cohen. According to the prophet Jeremiah, Jeconiah (a descendant of King David) had come under a curse and made David's seed through Jeconiah invalid to serve as King as recorded in Jeremiah 22:30. Since Joseph was from Jeconiah's line, no physical son of Joseph could inherit the throne of David. The Messiah therefore had to be born a son of David but apart from Jeconiah.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004
Why Matthew used Joseph for the Jesus Genealogy, do you know that? I guess Luk did not know what Matthew known, who know :)))
putevireligije 1 year ago
@putevireligije=Mary and Joseph are both from the lineage of King David. Joseph came through David's most famous son, Solomon; and Mary through Nathan, another son of David. Read both Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-31.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 And please don't quote distorted christian translations of the hebrew Bible, for unless you have strong logical proofs which fit nicely into the text, it is but gibberish. Every single verse raised by christians to support the jesus hoax, is nothing more than a lack of hebrew, a lack of context, etc.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321(cont.) A.Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B.Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C.Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Daniel 9:24-27 makes it very clear that the Messiah had to come prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple, after Yeshua fulfilled Isaiah 53 and God no longer accepts blood atonement from animal sacrfices on Yom Kippur, the temple priests continued to do animal sacrifices and it had already become an abomination to the Lord and so He allowed the Second Temple to be destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. to put an end to all animal sacrifices once and for all.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 24 Again a false undertanding, Daniel speaks of Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed on Jerusalem in order to give the jews a chance to expiate their sins, and merit Messiah, which they did not do !
It has nothing to do with Jesus acting as an atonement ! the proof, the verse is very clear, Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed on Jerusalem in order to terminate the transgression and to end sin, which clearly implies in this span of time change your ways.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=It's not a false understanding at all, it's definitely and absolutely a correct understanding. Daniel 9:24-27 is a messianic prophecy.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Was Jesus born before the destruction of temple or after ? If he was born before(which he was) then it makes no sense, Secondly if the temple was destroyed this means they did not merit everlasting Justice(for the prophecy is a dealine to repent lest there will be a destrustion) Thirdly the verse does not even mention Messiah ! iWhere is Jesus mentioned here ????? stop with the nonsense......
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach is from the tribe of Judah (see Genesis 49:10) and from the line of King David (see Jeremiah 23:5-6) and was born according to the Scriptures (see Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6), Numbers 24:17 is also a messianic prophecy and is connected to Isaiah 7:14. Daniel 9:24-29 automatically applies to Him that He had to come prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. And this is not nonsense at all and that proves your blindness.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 We will put your claims away with one swift move, since you want to go into genealogies.
Numbers 1:2, and 26:2, state that genealogy is "ACCORDING TO THEIR FATHERS HOUSE", now since jesus had no father, this would make him tribeless, thus even if Joseph or Mary were from David, it is totally irrelevant, because genealogy is according the father, jesus has no father from David, period.
this makes your whole thesis untenable, making all other referrences of no consequence.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=That's where you're mistaken, my whole thesis is not untenable at all. Jeremiah 22:24–30 speaks of a curse on Jeconiah by God and no descendant of Jeconiah will ever have the right to sit on the throne of David. The Messiah therefore had to be born a son of David but apart from Jeconiah. Joseph was a son of David via Solomon and Jeconiah. He and his children were therefore under God's curse and would never fall heir to the throne of David.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) Does that exclude Yeshua from being the Messiah? No, because Brit Chadasha says that Yeshua was conceived by the Ruach HaKodesh and born to a virgin, his mother Mary. It also clearly gives Yeshua's lineage as being via Mary back to Nathan and David and, therefore, proves the legitimacy of Yeshua's claim to be the Messiah.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 (Cont.) But for that matter i can't believe you still cite Daniel after we already discussed the simple meaning of that verse, and proved it not like you had thought.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You know what the truth is? The Messiah will be from the tribe of Judah and descend from the line of King David and it automatically requires that the Messiah will come according to the timetable from Daniel's prophecy (see Daniel 9:24-27), and it's not a hoax at all.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Good day to you and a good week, May God bless you and guide you upon the proper path of worship.
joseff4321 1 year ago
Look at the context of Isaiah 53, before and after, before you talk about it..... learn hebrew that will also help......
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You wanna know what the truth is? Long after Yeshua HaMashiach suffered and died for the sins of many and resurrected from the dead in fulfillment of Isaiah 53, the rabbis (non-messianic) reinterpreted this verse and started saying it was the nation of Israel because they didn't want to believe in Him.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Dr. Brown is ignorant of the Sages manner and code of interpretation, he reads the final product without understanding how they got there, Dr. Brown and Biblical interpretation is like letting a monkey drive a car.
But you may believe what you want, that is why you have free will......
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Most of the Sages have the wrong interpretation, those who receive the Ruach HaKodesh and where guided by it make the correct interpretation of the Bible.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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joseff4321 1 year ago
(continued) If the Third Temple in Jerusalem is to be built, it would rather be a messianic temple, no animal sacrifices involved and Yeshua HaMashiach is now the eternal great high priest after the order of Melchizedek. And what makes you think that He will gather all Jews back to Eretz Yisrael? Israel became a nation again when the State of Israel was established in 1948 in fulfillment of a Bible prophecy (see Isaiah 66:8).
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) Many Jews from the diaspora immigrated to Eretz Yisrael that time and even before, and many are making an aliyah at present in fulfillment of a Bible prophecy (see Jeremiah 23:8, Jeremiah 30:3, Isaiah 43:5-6, Isaiah 11:12 and Ezekiel 36:28). And what makes you think He will usher in era of world peace? The truth about peace is that it is not something that can be bought or forced upon. Peace begins in the heart.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Messiah not forcing peace is irrelevant, did he bring no more WAR did he change animal nature in Animals ? Humans ? no ! in fact worse wars happened after him than before !
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Nothing is irrelevant, Yeshua HaMashiach came in a humble manner. As Prince of Peace, He makes peace in the hearts of people. He brings peace to the individual who believes in Him, individual peace comes first before there is world peace.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 NONSENSE, are people at peace !!!!! IN fact on is tied to th other !!! if people were at peace there would be world peace and love instead there is the opposite !!!
ok now you are not being true, perhaps not intentionally, you know very well, that its for this very reason, namely because there is no peace not even in man's heart, that there will be a second comming, something with no Biblical support, not even an iota.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=That is where you're mistaken. When He comes the second time, He will judge the nations according to how they have responded to His offer of salvation. After separating those who are saved from those who reject Him, He will then fulfill the prophecies of the reigning king and bring world peace in Isaiah 2:1-4.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Yes yes that is what you say and other christians, who are they anyway ??? what authority do they have ??? did their ancesters receive the Torah at Sinai ????
Furthermore answer the genealogy problem, or perhaps you can't ??? if so why believe iin a lie ??
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=It's not a lie at all, the Torah is full of great wisdom. The principles for salvation, atonement and God-ordained ways of worship as well as initial prophecies and God-ordained qualifications for the Messiah are found in the Torah, and Biblical standards are upholded upon the teachings of the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) When the Messiah Yeshua came by the 1st century A.D. He came to make peace in the hearts of people and to make peace between mankind and God. And before there can be peace in the world, all people must recognize their sinful condition and repent (see Jeremiah 3:13-18). The Messiah Yeshua will not force peace upon the world, regardless of its spiritual condition. Yeshua came in a humble fashion (see Zechariah 9:9) to die as an atonement for sins (see Isaiah 53).
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Ok first of all, the not forcing people to make peace nonsense is nonsense, because the verse in Isaiah speaks of a peace in which there will be no more WAR !!! even animals nature will change !!! none of this happened yet so don't be a liar about this.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=I'm not a liar, there will be world peace long after the Gog and Magog war and when Yeshua HaMashiach returns and usher in the era of peace. What makes you think that the nature of animals will change? That does not make sense, and I''ve never heard of that before.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 The verses never speak of a "RETURN" only a comming, period.
Secondly "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them." (Isaiah 11:6)
This clearly implies a chnage in nature.
IN fact the evil inclination will no longer exist in the real times of Messiah.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach will return and sit upon the throne of David and He will rule as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 NO ! the real King will "COME" not return, to redeem the world.
Furthermore it appears you have remained silent regarding the genealogies of Messiah, indeed, Christianity has buried itself by claiming a virgin birth, bad idea......
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=I'm not silent, the Messiah's genealogy is recorded in the gospels, a virgin birth is a Biblical revelation and it was God's work. It seems you don't even read The Complete Jewish Bible, the Messiah will be an heir to the throne of David and 2 Samuel 7:12-16 speaks about the Lord's promises to King David that he would make one of his descendants as king, just as he was. Yeshua HaMashiach is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. He is the real king, He came and one day He will return.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) He will return to rule, at which time we will recognize him as the one who was pierced, the one who died as an atonement for sin (see Zechariah 12:10). At his return, he will usher in the Messianic Age-a time that everyone has been waiting for; a time of true peace in the world (see Isaiah 11).
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@joseff4321 D.Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
did he do any of these things in his days ??? no.....
perhaps you will answer there is a second comming......
there is no place in the Tanach which speaks of a second comming !
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yeshua HaMashiach will come and return coming from the clouds of heaven (see Daniel 7:13). He already brought the whole world bought Jew and Gentile to know and worship the God of Israel. Jews and Gentiles are one because of one God and Father of all: one Lord, one faith and one Baptism. They share equally in the Spirit of God, who lives in all of them.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You know what you're a fool and that proves your blindness, there no distorted translations involved. The Complete Jewish Bible is composed of the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha and Yeshua HaMashiach (JESUS CHRIST) is not a hoax because Biblical Judaism is the faith of Messianic Jews and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings and they have access to God because of the Messiah's great atoning work.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Thirdly, you are personal and attack with insults and hell(saying i will burn in hell), did Jesus teach you that Love ??? or perhaps the Satan who is behind jesus ??
Yet you fail to reason and use some even a little logic.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The only way that HaSatan can do to make you go to hell is by making you reject Yeshua HaMashiach. If you reject what Yeshua HaMashiach did to save you, you're toast.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 lolololol let us seeeee..........
First of all i Don't serve G-d for reward, the observance is the reward.
Secondly "For every deed God will bring to judgment-for every hidden thing, whether good or bad. The end of the matter, everything having been heard, fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the entire man." (King Solomon)
And you said The Hebrew Bible is compatible with NT nonsense ???
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Go and read Jeremiah 31:31-34. The Tanakh and Brit Chadasha are both divine and equally holy.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 No the Tanach is Holy, the NT is fiction mixed with truth, an amalgamation of good and evil.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=You are sincerely dead wrong, the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) is definitely and absolutely not fiction nor an amalgamation of good and evil at all. The reason why you are saying that is because you refuse to believe what says in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is true and you're being blinded and deceived by HaSatan. The Tanakh and Brit Chadasha are both divine and equally holy, that's the truth and that truth is not overrated.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 You forget one thing, the Israelites are to be light unto the Nations teaching them how to serve the Almighty and abandon their idolatry not the other way around, it is not for nothing that the Israelites were chosen for this task, thus when Israelites till you this is not the manner in which onw should serve God Almighty, believe them, especially when they come with proofs and reason.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The Lord has used organizations like Jews for Jesus to bring the truth about Messiah to many Jewish people, to start Messianic synagogues, and to help Gentile Christians learn about the Jewish roots of the faith. Good Messianic congregations and ministries need to work together. Yeshua HaMashiach is the light of the world and is the most popular, the most studied and the most influential figure in the history of mankind. The Gospel is to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) There is no mistake involved and nothing is incompatible, the Torah is full of great wisdom. In the Torah are found the principles for salvation, atonement and God-ordained ways of worship. The initial prophecies and God-ordained qualifications for the Messiah are found there. It is neither useless nor irrelevant for Gentile Christians.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 it would be more credible to suppose he was Mashaich but not more than that (early christians believed exacly that, indeed it was a subject of debate when the priests were summoned by constantine to decide the future of christianity)
So perhaps he could be Messiah ?
Let us see.
joseff4321 1 year ago
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@joseff4321=The earliest followers of Yeshua (JESUS), the founding apostles were Jews, the earliest missionaries were Jews, and earliest congregation were entirely Jewish. It was always God's will for the Gentile nations to share in His salvation (see Isaiah 42:6 and Isaiah 49:6). God told Abraham that through him all the nations of the Earth would be blessed (see Genesis 12:1-3), therefore the promises made were fulfilled.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 As a Non-jew you have two choices, either to fulfill the 7 laws of Noah, which include idolatry, which would takes jesus out of the picture, or convert and accept upon yourself the 613 laws of the Israelites.
Depends upon you to decide the degree of responsiblity you desire, either way, if it is reward you are concerned with, as most christians are, these are the paths, both are holy, both are good, it is a matter of responsibility,
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The 7 Noachide laws are carried into the new covenant. Yeshua HaMashiach is the mediator between mankind and God (see 1 Timothy 2:5). The Son of God is God the Father in the flesh as foretold in Isaiah 9:6 as Yeshua HaMashiach says in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one". God Almighty Himself is God the Father, God the Son (Yeshua HaMashiach) and God the Ruach HaKodesh.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) Therefore these three are one and the same God of Israel (see 1 John 5:7), not because He had to be but He choose to be, and that is how God interacts with humankind through His triune nature and causes them to relate to Him. Tanakh and Brit Chadasha are the complete word of God.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 In conclusion, because i don't have time to go back and forth like this for days, Please take the time to study the Hebrew Bible honestly without any preconceptions, or tendencies, and of capital importance to read them in hebrew, the original, and those who search for truth will find it.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Both Jew and Gentile found the truth because they receive the Ruach HaKodesh and lead them to the truth. They all have access to God through Yeshua HaMashiach, He says in John 14:6 "I am the truth, the way, and the life: no one comes to the Father but by me."
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Just because soemone claims he is the truth, or that people say he is in his name, it certainly does not prove he is !! In fact there have been many False figures in JUdaism along the years, beginning With Korach, ending with Shabatay Tzvi and Jacob Frank, all claimed to be Messiah and had large followings so what ????
Even i the days before the destruction of temple, Bar Kochva was pronounced the Messiah until he failed.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri confirmed that Yeshua (JESUS) is the Messiah. He met the Messiah in a vision a few months before his passing, his vision is from God as foretold in Joel 2:28 (KJV). Yeshua is the name of the Messiah revealed by the rabbi. In fact it was revealed by Yeshua Himself appearing to Kaduri.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 LOLOL now you turn to the Rabbis ???? first you say The Rabbis don't know, now they know ?? speaking of selection out of convenience.
But if you want to discuss it np !
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Not all the rabbis, past and present, have rejected Yeshua. Orthodox Rabbi Isaac Lichtenstein, Orthodox Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter, and Reform Rabbi Dr. Max Wertheimer believed in Yeshua. In fact, there have been enough rabbis that have believed in Yeshua that several books have been compiled with their stories. One of these books is entitled "Would I, Would You?"
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Concerning the Rav Kadouri matter, first of all the name encoded is Yehoshua
and yet jesus's name is yeshua not Yehoshua, furthermore Rav Kadouri did not leave exact instructions to decode it(and one familiar with Kabalah knows the depth with which a Kabalist speaks)
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=Yehoshua or Yeshua are the same. The Messiah's name can be mentioned in either Hebrew or Aramaic. The Bible Code from Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:16, Genesis 49:10, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18-19, Zechariah 9:9, Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Daniel 9:24-27 and other messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures reveals the Messiah's name is Yeshua.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 furthermore even if we were to assume the name of the Mashiach is Yehoshua, this is besides the fact that this is not jesus's name as mentioned above, even if we were to say it was his name it still proves nothing, for do you know how many Yehoshuas there are in the world ????
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=It is Yehoshua or Yeshua (JESUS) of Nazareth who is the Messiah. He is Messiah Ben David, Messiah Ben Joseph, and Messiah Ben Yahweh.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 and if we were to suppose one of the Yehoshuas was to return then we should also take into consideration all of the Yehoshuas of the past, what proof is there that jesus is the true Yehoshua ? there happens to be thousands upon thousands of them if we were to take into account all Yehoshua of the past.
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=It is Yehoshua or Yeshua (JESUS) of Nazareth who will return. He will return long after Ariel Sharon passes away and long after the Gog and Magog war. His name means "salvation" or "YHWH saves".
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Furthermore we cannot say a yehoshua from the past shall come to redeem for if any of those Yehoshuas have not fulfilled the prophecies, then they are not Mashiach and if they are not, they can't come back because Mashaich only comes once
joseff4321 1 year ago
@joseff4321=The truth is that the Messiah had to come according the timetable from Daniel's prophecy (see Daniel 9:24-27) and that He will be Suffering Servant Messiah who will suffer and die and resurrect from the dead and His mission will include the Gentiles through his appointed Jewish apostles and becoming a light to the nations, and He will return to this world in the future where will usher in the messianic age sitting on the throne of David in righteousness and an era of world peace.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Rather if the name is Yehoshua it would have be someone of this generation, and this would disqualify jesus, for there is no second comming.
joseff4321 1 year ago