As much as I agree with this video, I just want to point out one careless mistake, Egyptian people don't speak "Egyptian", they speak Arabic. I suggest you correct that before the creationists use that against you.
I do appreciate the comment. However, in the statement "they speak Egyptian" it is also correct, because their official language is "Egyptian Arabic" Look it up on wiki. :)
Wow I really can't stand that ridiculous 50/50 chance crap. Even speaking in regards to apologist arguments, that's some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard. Either God exists or he doesn't: 50/50.... Either Darth Vader is real or he isn't: 50/50. Either I am a giant walking talking stalk of broccoli or I am not: 50/50.
heheh. It is 50/50 before consideration of anything like evidence comes into play. Then it changes a whole lot from there making the god chances less than .001%
Heheh? Probability does not have a "default" position of 50/50. The probability is completely unknown until evidence comes into play. Your methodology would get you fired if you were a scientist.
Any binary choice in 50/50 until any substantiating factors come to the decision making process. Otherwise the decision process is entered into with a bias, which scientists oppose. It is the actual meaning of having an open mind.
Or do you not believe in people having the ability to choose?
Again, your reasoning is fallacious.Without information, a scientist responds with "I don't know". As far as probability is concerned, there is no default position of 50/50. I'm not trying to be mean or troll you, I'm only correcting you. This isn't my opinion, this is me informing you of a fact. Try to take this as a helpful comment so you won't make the same mistake in the future.
@drche420 While I can agree with you that scientists are saying "I don't know". I still disagree with you because in effect it is still saying that the answer can either be yes or no. Without information of any kind, simple assertions are all that we would be operating on. Like My having a dog in my lap. My assertion without consideration of the plausibility, and without evidence would be a binary yes or no answer.
You keep emphasizing the binary relationship... I understand that there are only two possibilities. However, the limited options tell us nothing about the probability of each option being correct. If I said there is a unicorn in a box, then there is either a unicorn in the box or not. This does not mean the odds are 50/50.
Yeah, but that is considering plausibility and likelihood.What if I were to tell you that there actually is a four legged, furry creature, that is hooved and has one horn protruding from the center of it's head? Do you believe that? What do you think the odds of that are? If you think that it is anything other than 50/50 I have a surprise for you.
"Yeah, but that is considering plausibility and likelihood" - Finally! Your eyes are open! Probability and possibility are two completely different things. If you still don't understand how the odds are not automatically 50/50, then I'm not helping you anymore. Its like talking to a brick wall.
Do you listen to yourself? The very first thing is the binary position of 1 or the other. Before absolutely any other consideration, i.e. you do not have evidence, statistics, or any other reference point,then you are still at that point. You are jumping the gun.
You cannot help me kid, because you are locked into thinking only one way. You do not have an open mind, and therefore have already made your mind up on everything. A Closed mind at it's best
"Yeah, but that is considering plausibility and likelihood" - Finally! Your eyes are open! Probability and possibility are two completely different things.
"what do you think the odds of that are?" - I've already told you that the odds are completely unknown to anyone until evidence enters the picture... If you still don't understand how the odds are not automatically 50/50, then I'm not helping you anymore. Its like talking to a brick wall.
I'm afraid drche420 is absolutely right on this point. It might be intuitive to revert to the 50/50 probability, but this would be wrong. For the sake of argument, imagine a 6-sided die with 2 numbers on it (0 and 1). 5 of these sides have the number 1 and 1 side the number 0. Hence, the probability of of 1 is 5/6 and of 0 is 1/6.
However, we haven't got such a die. But the probability isn't "50/50", it's "We don't know". After all, we have no reason to believe it should be 50/50.
You left out the best part of the video. He actually says that since you will either die today or you won't, the odds are 50/50. Obviously, if I had a 50/50 chance of dying on any given day, I would almost certainly die as a baby. This refutes the 50/50 bullshit throughout his entire video. I would have thought it was a parody of creationist stupidity, except the disabled comments and ratings tipped me off that this clown was actually serious.
False dichotomies! False dichotomies everywhere! I say aliens did it. Prove me wrong. You can't. I have a book that says aliens did it and the aliens that wrote it (through me) say that it is so, so it can't be wrong.
@goonodeath tell me if we as humans are made from something and animals are made from something and this planet is made from something and stars everywhere are made from something where does the cycle start? NOTHING that exist came from thin air so it makes perfect sense to think there had to be a creator. or do you believe gasses and dust just appeared from NOTHING???
@goonodeath your the one evading the question idiot, so do you believe that planets and everything that exist came from nothing? you obviously have no answer except the stupid "Maybe learn some new arguments " speech which proves you have never been able to answer the question. AND YES I DO BELIEVE THAT GOD WAS ALWAYS THERE MY FAITH IS BASED ON THE BIBLE, YOU DNT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE IN BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW ANYTHING GOT HERE! But its ok on your death bed you'll be begging for GOD.
Hahah double negative at 3:28....discredited by grammar ONCE AGAIN....know it all Evolutionist must have sucked the science teacher's dick or forgot to suck the ENGLISH teacher's dick
On the other hand. We can show what you believe (god, most likely your specific christian god) to be logically false with a very short statement. Check it out:
By the rules of logic it is a bad idea to believe in things without evidence. There is no evidence to support the existence of god(s)...therefore, it is logically false to believe in god.
Now being a jackass and all you are just going to ignore this...but maybe not.
@goonodeath Even though, to not believe in God, is to believe everything came from nothing. So your theory disproves your own theory.....fail...God is disappointing in your lack of faith
@MrGermanVermin No. No it isn't. No one says that "everything came from nothing" that is an oversimplified strawman cowards like you use to justify the fact that they can't critically examine their own beliefs.
I don't have any "theories" either. You people have the worst understanding of that word you should seriously take a science class.
And god is disappointed in my lack of faith? Good thing god most likely doesn't exist. Take logic bro. You will learn alot of shit.
@MrGermanVermin No. Where did god come from then? Do you believe god came from nothing. Your theory disproves your own theory...fail...science is disappointed in your lack of reason.
Also you should learn what "theory" means. In the words of a great man..."I do not think that word means what you think it means."
@goonodeath Yahweh has always been. We, as humans, cannot understand this much like children do not understand their parents have always been there (well before the child's birth) until they get much older.
I do know what theory means, and evolution is STILL a theory. Until they can tell me where the universe came from without a "well we really can never know" then it is still a theory
@MrGermanVermin Actually evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is what we use to explain it.
Your idea that we cannot "understand" god is a cop out. It's a bogus argument and holds no logical weight.
Your god has not always been. What evidence do you have to support this? And if something can be eternal...why not the universe? This would be a far more logical conclusion than the idea of an eternal being who created our universe.
@MrGermanVermin You seem to have sucked a lot of dick in high school and thought that was how you studied.
Dear, one cannot acquire an education through osmosis or absorption of bodily fluids. You'd KNOW that if you'd been reading your biology text book instead of on your knees under the teacher's desk.
Another thing, perhaps YouTube isn't the proper forum to be confessing your high school misdeeds and indiscretions.
@ciaochowbella You know someone has failed when they try and spin the exact insult YOU JUST said. You might has well had said, "I know you are but what am I?"....Evolutionists obviously haven't evolved the part of the brain were insults are thought-out and smart, but God created that part of the brain on me.
@MrGermanVermin Actually, I was just plain ol' making fun of you for tossing out a red herring and being unable to intellectually discuss your point. Your remarks weren't "thought-out [sic] and smart". They were juvenile, pedestrian and silly. I've seen toddlers snap better than that.
BTW, "evolutionist" isn't an actual word. Apparently, you haven't learned how to use English as well as YOU should have either.
Hmm....no science, no English....I hope you learned a trade.
Ok I think I got this so he said 50/50 4 times so 50...25...12.5...6.25% And thats before you start looking at evidence, crappy made up statistics, etc! I'm liking my odds.
I'd say you may be a bit too insulting, using terms like "retard" can have the effect of making the user seem less "upstanding", for lack of a better term.
You are right of course, but no need to rub it in ;)
In all reality, This video was actually meant to be insulting because of the copyright threats that he made, attempting to not allow anyone to debunk his rhetoric. That and then the arrogant way he presented himself.
Christians LOVE to disable ratings and filter comments; it gives them the power to filter out the reality that they are horribly wrong and people and science to not agree with them. *Hands over ears* I can't hear you! There is a Santa Claus!
50/50??? Does this mean that i have a even chance of dying today?? I will either die or not today! The sun will either rise or it will not - that means there is an even chance of sunrise to day etc. False dichotomy and unintelligent use of probabiity.
just because something is or isn't doesn't make it a 50-50 chance. This creationist does not understand statistics. Jesus could have been satan or not. the chances are 50-50. jesus could have been a homosexual, or not. the chances are 50-50. creationists could be retarded or not, the chances are 50-50.
@BigLundi Oh you have got to be kidding me. He is somewhere in St Louis, with an accent to match. I am here in the Pacific Northwest (Oregon) with an accent to match that.
We may be able to speak along the same lines, but we do not really sound like each other in the slightest.
@jkeaty2 Well YOU don't see it, sure, nobody thinks they sound like anybody else. It just doesn't come to mind. To me, the only difference between your voices is your lisp.
Don't get me wrong though, I respect you a lot more than I do him. Though...I don't suppose that's really saying much.
@CentraCross and observing how you just made a blanket statement without even thinking about what you are saying shows that you have absolutely no clue as to how science actually works.
@jkeaty2 First of all - you're discriminating people for their views - calling them scum. (notice I said them)
Second- what in hell (...) makes you believe that I'm a creationist? I'm a science student, I study scientific and logical philospphy and I found it very obvious very early on how limited the scientific method really is. May I just ask you then to explain how you get to the conclusion that it is impossible for two different explainations of the same thing to both be valid?
@CentraCross It's all about interpretation. Any real scientist who actually knows what he's talking about will tell you that it is of no concern to science whatsoever that a God exists or that there is something above their level which they don't understand. The only purpose of science is to be useful, and I certainly cannot see what use you are making this kind of videos.
@CentraCross The only thing you do is bring hatred towards us people who actually try to develop humanity - and who do so without giving the slightest what people believe or don't believe in or what it would or could mean. I'm not christian or follow any religion, but I know what every image of a human god means to those who made it. It's a way to try and understand the Universe just like science is. Neither are going to succeed, so what's the point in fighting over it?
this fight extends to Creationists that are hell bent on throwing us back to the dark ages, when the church actually had power over the people. Discrimination does not include my pointing out that someone who believes that we popped into existence through magic and incantations 6000 years ago is a complete idiot that needs to learn a few things before trying to change public policy. This is what we call peaceful discord, something that creationists find foreign.
As far as spreading hate? You might want to look a little into history there buddy. Atheists have been the scourge of the Earth for as long as religion existed (look up Socrates since you claim to be a student of philosophy, and look at the recent history: specifically George H.W. Bush Statement about Atheists) It is about time that we come out and start standing up for ourselves.
Not knowing (by observing your assertions) that scientists are open to anyone challenging their theories tells me that you are, at best: an amateur without sufficient training or skill to make such an assertion. Your attempts at logical philosophy are cancelled out by the fact that you use logical fallacies in your arguments. In other words, you are full of shit, and probably just a kid that thinks you know more than you really do.
"Statistical truth"? Let's play with that. Let's grant the 50-50s. For their case to be convincing to me, all four need to resolve in their favor. That gives a probability of 0.5 to the fourth power. Far as I can see, this video ends up making a 6.25% case.
Cool. These guys are telling me I have a 93.75% chance of being right in dismissing Christianity. How about them statistically true apples?
Also, look closely at the gun. It has 5 chambers. Oops.
... I am confused. Riddle me this; are you doing a Joker voice, aka Heath Ledger, since you sound just like the Joker doing his "Why so serious?" speech?
all these 50/50 arguments are wrong that chance that the bible is written by god is zero because the historical evidence shows that men write papers and spread ideas thru speech and rumor and come to be a belief system because a whole bunch of people liked the idea. lots of people used 2 believe thor walked the earth 2. and unicorns. and dragons. and fairies. there is no 50/50 on each of these things. there's 0 until a credible picture is taken, no photoshop, no funky lense. observable evidence
lol, of course you are right, but what I meant by he is right is at the very beginning. Before reasoned logic and physical evidence are applied to the question. Or are you referring to the idiot in the video?
But the point was that the odds of something being true are definitely not evenly divided amongst the possible outcomes. Meaning if there are three options the odds of each one being true is probably not 1/3, it could be (like on a 3 sided die) but it probably isn't and nothing demands it be that way.
@knobcheese22 Yah, Gee, imagine actually considering INTELLIGENCE with the complex world and universe we live in. How stupid. Who would ever consider LIFE and over 1,740,330 species (not including domestic animals, was created.
That's just absurd.
Everyone knows life came from nothing, with no purpose, and became something over billions of years or random mutations and unguided evolution and chance to get what we have today!
@TheAmazingCreative um yeah, that's exactly how it happened, becase we know THAT it happens, and since life is here and we're sitting here talkign about it, it obviuosly HAD to happen. sorry that you want so bad for there to be some underlying reason for the existance of the universe...yeah.there's a point for the existance of a bunch of stars blowing up and countless uninhabitable places in this universe and for a HUGE amount of time on this planet, life couldn't think about it's own existance
The only evidence for UN-INTELLIGENT DESIGN that I see are those who believe in Evolution. I'd almost believe in Evolution because of the utter stupidity spewing from these brainless fools.
So hypothetically speaking, (using my freedom of speech) if you told the Police that you molested 10 young children, you wouldn't be prosecuted for it?
There is a thing called "Intellectual Copy Right Law.
In answer to that question no. It would be a violation of one's 1st amendment rights to prosecute someone purely because they make a statement. However, if someone makes a statement that leads to an actual commission of a crime, that is something different.
As far as intellectual copyright, I am well aware of what that is, but you apparently are not aware of section 107 of that law.
I don't get how he can say that the 2 are 50/50. just because there are 2 options doesn't mean that they have equal weight. To go with the roulette example you can either get shot in the head or not but that doesn't mean 50/50.
sometimes i wanna thank eveolution for creating christians i have someone to bash on yt whene im bored :D here is a list : nazis chatolics nWo (new world nazis) christians (new world chatcolics) and 99% of politicains u can also look into history vids and look for idots without knowlage they fun to diss to tumb up if i helped u kill few minutes of ur life
I can't believe they have the balls to state the so-called 50-50 odds so many times. It's like saying that I have a 50-50 chance of writing a hit song, but worse (i.e. there's actually evidence that someone like me has written a hit song).
@BigWillySyndrome what is comes down to, is that to a humanist, there is no real discernible difference between the traditional Catholicism, and the Protestant religions. They both believe in an invisible magic being that has absolutely no tangible, or observable quality, hence cannot and never would be able to be tested, therefore will forever remain impossible to detect, ergo will never be affirmatively validated, and will forever be a subject of wishful thinking.
Nah, I snapped at this jerk because he was trying to threaten the DMCA crap. this was made during the time that Venomfangx was doing this trying to intimidate Thunderf00t.
So anyone threatening DMCA reporting just was in the crosshairs
You do not have to. They are the ones posing the dichotomy. Atheists come in a variety of flavors. For instance, I am a spiritual humanist minister. Yes I am an atheist, but that just means that I do not believe in a supernatural creator being. Just like a theist believes in a supernatural being, he can still be irreligious.
The confusion is that atheism does not require adherence to a doctrine, whereas theists generally have to follow some form or another.
I am not one to describe myself as an evolutionist, this is a term used by creationists that implies that evolution actually takes faith to comprehend, which of course it does not.
*Facepalm* to that creationist video and all creationists who believe they are marking a large dent in the so-called atheist community, as if we are some sort of religion.
It sounds like the guy was just trying to lead into Pascal's Wager and did a shit job of it. Of course, you can disassemble Pascal's Wager in about five minutes or less so ...
Much more than the fact that these scientific empiristical autologicists with demand for sense-based evidence are just as narrow-minded, small-sighted, unimaginative and plain ignorant as anyone else - whether Creationists, Catholic Theologists or bla bla bla...
You want the truth - make sure that everything you or any one else can possibly imagine is included - else it's incomplete and not the Truth.
I am not sure of exactly what you are saying. If a theory is discovered, for instance the theory of solar radiation, which through out the prevailing theory that the sun was a standard burning ball of mass via combustion, then the theories are diametrically opposed, making the current prevailing theory is the correct one.
As far as imagining something that is not true. Let me think for about a half a second...
Maybe you could tell me, just so that I know, exactly what YOU mean by "existence" and "truth", before I start argumenting - it is very helpful if I'm gonna explain something to know what knowledge you already have.
I hope you're doing these things because you enjoy having Philosophical discussions - otherwise I'd be wasting time here.
I enjoy philosophical discussion, but I am honestly confused because you said something that is patently false.
New theories come along all the time. The sun for instance^^ that is the easiest one that I can think of that totally blew the prevailing theory out of the water. The universe is expanding and in motion rivaled the theory of a static universe.
Existence is in two forms, the material, and the mental construct. We can imagine ANYTHING, I think that I have just shown that
truth on the other hand, is a statement that is pretty black and white. Either it is, or it isn't. God's existence as per the assertion by creationists, is an actual being, not a mental construct. As a mental construct, I would say that yes. As simply a mental construct a god could exist. Hell anyone can imagine that. But as an actual being? Now we are getting into the material end of things, which I find no evidence for whatsoever.
@jkeaty2 Okay I'm not gonna go deep as this is a Youtube video... =)
But basically - If you try and define the Universe you're gonna have to find a theory (and by theory I don't mean Hypothesis, which I think you do, and which is incorrect) that incorporates every other theory, for the sake of that these ideas have been imagined. If something is imagined, it has to originate somewhere, meaning that it has to exist.
@CentraCross However - to prove that something doesn't exist cannot be done by the argument of that it is imaginable - that would be like trying to prove the sun is rising by referring to the fact that it's day. But if something exists - it must be imaginable.
To deliver a simple logical version - everything's existance is an axiom one must accept if the logical understanding of the universe is gonna work at all.
Ok, I am now almost convinced that you are messing with me. I know full well what a theory is, and even insinuating that I would use the layperson's definition of it shows me that you have not seen any of my other videos.
And to define the universe does not have to incorporate every other theory, unless you are developing a theory of a laypersons version of the universe which is EVERYTHING.
Under your bed as a child. The Boogie man that jumps out and scares you. True? No. Can be imagined? Yes. Totally dreamed up in your head. Can you imagine the star wars saga? Yep. True? No. Lightsabers... Cool, but is it possible with our current technology? No. Has someone come up with the idea? Yep I can name about a thousand things that are not real that do not exist so unless there was a typo, I think we have a non starter
@jkeaty2 And it's funny you should mention Star Wars. Is there really anything you Empiricaly and Scientificaly could say that would prove against it?
Oh been a while. Been busy... Proving a negative... A logical fallacy.... Typical theist bullshit maneuver. 5 Months old, but not completely lost in the chatter.
There is a god versus no god is not really 50-50, sure the question is dichotomous but that does not mean that one answer is as likely as the other. While we can't say with any certainty that some extra dimensional sentient being doesn't exist, we can point out that the universe and Earth biology seem to function quite nicely without any external prodding. To my mind this is slides the odds at least somewhat in the favour of no god, at least as far as concepts of an interventional god go.
I think you made an error around 2:13 to 2:24 "eater their is an intelligent designer or there is not" "and I will say that's that will be correct"...
Did you consider some other "philosophical" point of view? For instance, maybe the designer was a morons, maybe the "designer" only let some original material during the big bang or before it and that it evolve until now (both truth), maybe we are in the matrix and god does not allow us to exist...
However, at the very beginning, before any weighing of evidence, or logical thought process comes into play, any question has a 50/50 chance of being correct. That is what that guy is trying to play. He is conveniently ignoring the massive evidence that counters his assertions, and attempting to direct his audience to his way of thinking.
the chance muhammed was real or not 50/50 the chance buddha was real 50/50 the chance jesus was real 50/50 what the fuckis this? No it is not fucking 50 50 . I can't stand why the user of this vid accepts it. But sure, on the other side I understand that correcting all bullshit is just too much for a hobby.
eveolution-How was youtube created?3 paypal employees made it and edited it and made it nice Creationism= How was youtube created? god put it there....creationists make me laugh
Several points I'd like to make, first off: Americans are all the same in this matter, creationist or not because you both go off on eachother in exactly the same way. For example I've seen several clips on youtube about talkshows where people of either conviction were invited only to be bashed in the end. Laughing at someone doesnt help and personally Ithink its a sorry excuse for a tv-show.
Second and more to the point part comming right up...Already almost out of characters.
REally now Mr Belgian? I am soooo glad that you know so much about Americans, and American Atheists.
With that out of the way, after years and years of suppression by creationists, after attempting several times to usurp scientific fact, after years of fighting to quash reality, we are fed up with people acting so damn stupid that they cannot count the two brain cells in their head.
@jkeaty2 This is another American way of thinking, your convinced that your the only people experiancing anything in this world. Religion has been terrorising the old world long before the America's were discovered. The Inquisition, the Crusades and the prosecution of non-christians which dates as far back as 300 a.d. to name a few. I personally have been abused by nuns and schoolteachers and my family intimidated, and for that I distrust christians above all.
I think that we are suffering from a miscommunication. I am understanding that you are an atheist are you not? I think that I mistook your comment to bash on atheists.
@jkeaty2 I am an Atheïst, not just because its not true what religions state. If it were just a white lie to help people better their lives for the sake of doing good, it wouldn't bother me. But religions are made up by humans to controle other humans, just another way to exercise power upon others.
But what does it matter wether I'm atheïst, I still don't agree with how you people go at eachother, you can say whatever you like but please, both sides, make it insightfull and constructive yeah?
Ok I think you misunderstood what I am saying in this video.
The original video author attempts to use logic and rational in an area where logic and rationality are void, in a message directed toward atheists saying that the only rational choice is to agree with him. In my video I am systematically debunking his argument, and letting him know that these arguments are very antiquated, and not effective in convincing anyone of anything except those that already believe
@Treytupacfan My friend, dont blame the existence of God a non existence because of what churches do. It is very clear on the bible of what you speak about. First of all, the bible is clear in saying that the only true religion is the help of widows, orphans and elders. I dont agree much with churches, so i rely on the truth, the bible. My friend, the devils greatest power is to mix lies with the truth. So when you deny the truth, its the devil at its best. Look what he has done with the world.
@Treytupacfan The world you live in is the devils biggest lie, he has us living in a world of lies and imagination. We are slaves to the financial world. I dont get how people dont believe in God when the devil is fully active in this world. Look up the truth on earth so you could understand the truth of heaven. "ILLUMINATI" "BILDERBERG" "FREEMASONS" "KNIGHTS TEMPLAR" "SKOOL&BONES" "ROMAN CATHOLICS" "THE VERY RICH" ETC.....
@sdchargers35 Ahh right, so in a time where people believe in god more commonly things will be fine..Just look at the medieval times! It wasn't called the dark ages for nothing. Spirituality is fine, religion sucks. You can believe what you want, good for you hope you have a blast, but stop pestering others about it.
Thats the last I'll say cuz my pc's been broken and I'm writing this from a friends place.
@Treytupacfan If people act retarded they should be treated like retards. Sorry but I can't understand this PC bullshit some atheist have. These fucking theist distort and twist reality WILFULLY so they can manipulate people for their own gain. There is no need for constructive critisism. Infact, it is detrimental to our own arguments because it gives their side the same respect as a real theory should get. Fuck them, they put no effort in their theories so I should put no effort in debunking.
@philateliceun You not understanding something sais more about yourself than anyone else. If you feel they put no effort in their beliefs then put no effort in trying to tell them off and just let it go. And who are we to judge other people about what they believe in? For all we know theyre right. I can't remember ever dieing so I couldn't tell you for sure what happens afterwards. In the end all I can say is do onto others as you'd have them do to you.
@Treytupacfan No I understand that you should always be right even if it doesn't benefit your emotions like freedom of speech and freedom of believe. But on the other hand you can go to the extreme. There is believe but there is also reality and letting people be wilfully ignorant of reality is immoral. You can't let people believe the world is 6K years old. It is not a matter of believe, it is beyond fact that the world is older. And these people raise innocent children with those ideas.
As much as I agree with this video, I just want to point out one careless mistake, Egyptian people don't speak "Egyptian", they speak Arabic. I suggest you correct that before the creationists use that against you.
redelman43199 2 weeks ago
@redelman43199
I do appreciate the comment. However, in the statement "they speak Egyptian" it is also correct, because their official language is "Egyptian Arabic" Look it up on wiki. :)
jkeaty2 2 weeks ago
@redelman43199
I do want to make a correction, it is the most commonly spoken language in
Egypt. Apparently it is not officially recognized by other countries. Not sure why.
jkeaty2 2 weeks ago
Wow I really can't stand that ridiculous 50/50 chance crap. Even speaking in regards to apologist arguments, that's some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard. Either God exists or he doesn't: 50/50.... Either Darth Vader is real or he isn't: 50/50. Either I am a giant walking talking stalk of broccoli or I am not: 50/50.
SiloKybe 2 months ago
i bought 2 lottery tickets i either win 25 million or i don't 50 50 since i bought 2 i have a 100% chance to win.
ShooterCinema 2 months ago
@ShooterCinema lol
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ShooterCinema 2 months ago
I can either throw a perfect three-pointer from across the field, or I can miss my throw. The chances are 50-50.
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@BerzergerR "I can either throw a perfect three-pointer from across the field, or I can miss my throw. The chances are 50-50."
Um, nope. You're more likely to miss. Why do you think it's worth three points?
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I can't believe you would agree that the odds are 50/50. Are you stupid?
drche420 3 months ago
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heheh. It is 50/50 before consideration of anything like evidence comes into play. Then it changes a whole lot from there making the god chances less than .001%
jkeaty2 3 months ago
@jkeaty2
Heheh? Probability does not have a "default" position of 50/50. The probability is completely unknown until evidence comes into play. Your methodology would get you fired if you were a scientist.
drche420 3 months ago
@drche420
Any binary choice in 50/50 until any substantiating factors come to the decision making process. Otherwise the decision process is entered into with a bias, which scientists oppose. It is the actual meaning of having an open mind.
Or do you not believe in people having the ability to choose?
jkeaty2 3 months ago
@jkeaty2
Again, your reasoning is fallacious.Without information, a scientist responds with "I don't know". As far as probability is concerned, there is no default position of 50/50. I'm not trying to be mean or troll you, I'm only correcting you. This isn't my opinion, this is me informing you of a fact. Try to take this as a helpful comment so you won't make the same mistake in the future.
drche420 3 months ago
@drche420 While I can agree with you that scientists are saying "I don't know". I still disagree with you because in effect it is still saying that the answer can either be yes or no. Without information of any kind, simple assertions are all that we would be operating on. Like My having a dog in my lap. My assertion without consideration of the plausibility, and without evidence would be a binary yes or no answer.
jkeaty2 3 months ago
@jkeaty2
You keep emphasizing the binary relationship... I understand that there are only two possibilities. However, the limited options tell us nothing about the probability of each option being correct. If I said there is a unicorn in a box, then there is either a unicorn in the box or not. This does not mean the odds are 50/50.
drche420 3 months ago
@drche420
Yeah, but that is considering plausibility and likelihood.What if I were to tell you that there actually is a four legged, furry creature, that is hooved and has one horn protruding from the center of it's head? Do you believe that? What do you think the odds of that are? If you think that it is anything other than 50/50 I have a surprise for you.
jkeaty2 3 months ago
@jkeaty2
"Yeah, but that is considering plausibility and likelihood" - Finally! Your eyes are open! Probability and possibility are two completely different things. If you still don't understand how the odds are not automatically 50/50, then I'm not helping you anymore. Its like talking to a brick wall.
drche420 3 months ago
@drche420
Do you listen to yourself? The very first thing is the binary position of 1 or the other. Before absolutely any other consideration, i.e. you do not have evidence, statistics, or any other reference point,then you are still at that point. You are jumping the gun.
You cannot help me kid, because you are locked into thinking only one way. You do not have an open mind, and therefore have already made your mind up on everything. A Closed mind at it's best
jkeaty2 3 months ago
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@jkeaty2
Ironic. You're the one who is wrong and can't admit it, yet you accuse me of being closed minded... I give up on you.
drche420 3 months ago
@jkeaty2
"Yeah, but that is considering plausibility and likelihood" - Finally! Your eyes are open! Probability and possibility are two completely different things.
"what do you think the odds of that are?" - I've already told you that the odds are completely unknown to anyone until evidence enters the picture... If you still don't understand how the odds are not automatically 50/50, then I'm not helping you anymore. Its like talking to a brick wall.
drche420 3 months ago
I'm afraid drche420 is absolutely right on this point. It might be intuitive to revert to the 50/50 probability, but this would be wrong. For the sake of argument, imagine a 6-sided die with 2 numbers on it (0 and 1). 5 of these sides have the number 1 and 1 side the number 0. Hence, the probability of of 1 is 5/6 and of 0 is 1/6.
However, we haven't got such a die. But the probability isn't "50/50", it's "We don't know". After all, we have no reason to believe it should be 50/50.
MartialNico 2 months ago
@MartialNico
Thank you.
drche420 2 months ago
You left out the best part of the video. He actually says that since you will either die today or you won't, the odds are 50/50. Obviously, if I had a 50/50 chance of dying on any given day, I would almost certainly die as a baby. This refutes the 50/50 bullshit throughout his entire video. I would have thought it was a parody of creationist stupidity, except the disabled comments and ratings tipped me off that this clown was actually serious.
IseeRightThrough2you 4 months ago
False dichotomies! False dichotomies everywhere! I say aliens did it. Prove me wrong. You can't. I have a book that says aliens did it and the aliens that wrote it (through me) say that it is so, so it can't be wrong.
fir3dog20 4 months ago
Seriously...if anyone takes logic with an open mind it is basically impossible to come out believing in god.
If you understand logic but still believe in god you are willfully ignorant.
goonodeath 4 months ago 5
@goonodeath
Amen.
drche420 2 months ago
@goonodeath tell me if we as humans are made from something and animals are made from something and this planet is made from something and stars everywhere are made from something where does the cycle start? NOTHING that exist came from thin air so it makes perfect sense to think there had to be a creator. or do you believe gasses and dust just appeared from NOTHING???
rudyyy911 1 month ago
@rudyyy911 Do you believe your "god" just appeared from NOTHING?
Jackass. Maybe learn some new arguments and you won't seem like a god damn joke.
goonodeath 1 month ago
@goonodeath your the one evading the question idiot, so do you believe that planets and everything that exist came from nothing? you obviously have no answer except the stupid "Maybe learn some new arguments " speech which proves you have never been able to answer the question. AND YES I DO BELIEVE THAT GOD WAS ALWAYS THERE MY FAITH IS BASED ON THE BIBLE, YOU DNT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE IN BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW ANYTHING GOT HERE! But its ok on your death bed you'll be begging for GOD.
rudyyy911 1 month ago
Hahah double negative at 3:28....discredited by grammar ONCE AGAIN....know it all Evolutionist must have sucked the science teacher's dick or forgot to suck the ENGLISH teacher's dick
MrGermanVermin 5 months ago
@MrGermanVermin
Did you notice the little punctuation mark in that sentence that turns it into two statements? Or did you not go to school?
jkeaty2 5 months ago
@jkeaty2 Would you like me to completely discredit what you believe in one, simple statement?
MrGermanVermin 5 months ago
@MrGermanVermin Simple, You can't ..retard. but if you must try, go ahead.
jkeaty2 5 months ago 2
@MrGermanVermin I would love to see that you fucking sheep.
On the other hand. We can show what you believe (god, most likely your specific christian god) to be logically false with a very short statement. Check it out:
By the rules of logic it is a bad idea to believe in things without evidence. There is no evidence to support the existence of god(s)...therefore, it is logically false to believe in god.
Now being a jackass and all you are just going to ignore this...but maybe not.
goonodeath 4 months ago
@goonodeath Even though, to not believe in God, is to believe everything came from nothing. So your theory disproves your own theory.....fail...God is disappointing in your lack of faith
MrGermanVermin 4 months ago
@MrGermanVermin No. No it isn't. No one says that "everything came from nothing" that is an oversimplified strawman cowards like you use to justify the fact that they can't critically examine their own beliefs.
I don't have any "theories" either. You people have the worst understanding of that word you should seriously take a science class.
And god is disappointed in my lack of faith? Good thing god most likely doesn't exist. Take logic bro. You will learn alot of shit.
goonodeath 4 months ago
@MrGermanVermin No. Where did god come from then? Do you believe god came from nothing. Your theory disproves your own theory...fail...science is disappointed in your lack of reason.
Also you should learn what "theory" means. In the words of a great man..."I do not think that word means what you think it means."
goonodeath 4 months ago
@goonodeath Yahweh has always been. We, as humans, cannot understand this much like children do not understand their parents have always been there (well before the child's birth) until they get much older.
I do know what theory means, and evolution is STILL a theory. Until they can tell me where the universe came from without a "well we really can never know" then it is still a theory
MrGermanVermin 4 months ago
@MrGermanVermin Actually evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is what we use to explain it.
Your idea that we cannot "understand" god is a cop out. It's a bogus argument and holds no logical weight.
Your god has not always been. What evidence do you have to support this? And if something can be eternal...why not the universe? This would be a far more logical conclusion than the idea of an eternal being who created our universe.
goonodeath 4 months ago
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ThorTheOdinSon 4 months ago
@MrGermanVermin You seem to have sucked a lot of dick in high school and thought that was how you studied.
Dear, one cannot acquire an education through osmosis or absorption of bodily fluids. You'd KNOW that if you'd been reading your biology text book instead of on your knees under the teacher's desk.
Another thing, perhaps YouTube isn't the proper forum to be confessing your high school misdeeds and indiscretions.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella You know someone has failed when they try and spin the exact insult YOU JUST said. You might has well had said, "I know you are but what am I?"....Evolutionists obviously haven't evolved the part of the brain were insults are thought-out and smart, but God created that part of the brain on me.
MrGermanVermin 5 months ago
@MrGermanVermin Actually, I was just plain ol' making fun of you for tossing out a red herring and being unable to intellectually discuss your point. Your remarks weren't "thought-out [sic] and smart". They were juvenile, pedestrian and silly. I've seen toddlers snap better than that.
BTW, "evolutionist" isn't an actual word. Apparently, you haven't learned how to use English as well as YOU should have either.
Hmm....no science, no English....I hope you learned a trade.
ciaochowbella 4 months ago
Ok I think I got this so he said 50/50 4 times so 50...25...12.5...6.25% And thats before you start looking at evidence, crappy made up statistics, etc! I'm liking my odds.
XxAeronautxX 5 months ago
@XxAeronautxX
:)
jkeaty2 5 months ago
I'd say you may be a bit too insulting, using terms like "retard" can have the effect of making the user seem less "upstanding", for lack of a better term.
You are right of course, but no need to rub it in ;)
Surtak 5 months ago
@Surtak
In all reality, This video was actually meant to be insulting because of the copyright threats that he made, attempting to not allow anyone to debunk his rhetoric. That and then the arrogant way he presented himself.
jkeaty2 5 months ago
There either are or there are not elephants flying out of my butt. 50-50.
DarkHorse0863 5 months ago
That creationist dimwit needs a lesson on how to quantify probability.
Tanoro 5 months ago
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FreakmundZoid 5 months ago
Christians LOVE to disable ratings and filter comments; it gives them the power to filter out the reality that they are horribly wrong and people and science to not agree with them. *Hands over ears* I can't hear you! There is a Santa Claus!
Typhoonbladefist 5 months ago
50/50??? Does this mean that i have a even chance of dying today?? I will either die or not today! The sun will either rise or it will not - that means there is an even chance of sunrise to day etc. False dichotomy and unintelligent use of probabiity.
aden302000 7 months ago
I lurve you so much.
Ahsoka21 7 months ago
@Ahsoka21
Ummmm. Love you back? lol
jkeaty2 7 months ago
LOL at 4:04 I love that picture... its just.. so true...
chrism4n14 8 months ago
just because something is or isn't doesn't make it a 50-50 chance. This creationist does not understand statistics. Jesus could have been satan or not. the chances are 50-50. jesus could have been a homosexual, or not. the chances are 50-50. creationists could be retarded or not, the chances are 50-50.
areno666 8 months ago
Sounds like Sylvester with a lighter lisp lol. I mean that in a good way, Sylvester's an awesome cartoon character.
NUTCASE71733 9 months ago
I will happily state that there is no god that cares one bit about earth or anything on it.
pillowbugg 9 months ago
You sound like Brett Keane...
BigLundi 9 months ago
@BigLundi Oh you have got to be kidding me. He is somewhere in St Louis, with an accent to match. I am here in the Pacific Northwest (Oregon) with an accent to match that.
We may be able to speak along the same lines, but we do not really sound like each other in the slightest.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
@jkeaty2 Well YOU don't see it, sure, nobody thinks they sound like anybody else. It just doesn't come to mind. To me, the only difference between your voices is your lisp.
Don't get me wrong though, I respect you a lot more than I do him. Though...I don't suppose that's really saying much.
BigLundi 9 months ago
@BigLundi Well... Ok...lol. Um..... thanks?
jkeaty2 9 months ago
I could put this in a different way:
There is nothing wrong with the Bible - only the idiots who interpret it.
Same goes for scientists who think they have exclusive rights to explaining the Universe - something they can't.
Idiots are idiots because they are human. People are stupid because they are people. It has no importance whether they are Catholics or Empiricists.
"The only thing we know that we don't know is how to know what we know"
I'm done.
CentraCross 9 months ago
@CentraCross and observing how you just made a blanket statement without even thinking about what you are saying shows that you have absolutely no clue as to how science actually works.
Good Job Creationist Scum.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
@jkeaty2 First of all - you're discriminating people for their views - calling them scum. (notice I said them)
Second- what in hell (...) makes you believe that I'm a creationist? I'm a science student, I study scientific and logical philospphy and I found it very obvious very early on how limited the scientific method really is. May I just ask you then to explain how you get to the conclusion that it is impossible for two different explainations of the same thing to both be valid?
CentraCross 9 months ago
@CentraCross It's all about interpretation. Any real scientist who actually knows what he's talking about will tell you that it is of no concern to science whatsoever that a God exists or that there is something above their level which they don't understand. The only purpose of science is to be useful, and I certainly cannot see what use you are making this kind of videos.
CentraCross 9 months ago
@CentraCross The only thing you do is bring hatred towards us people who actually try to develop humanity - and who do so without giving the slightest what people believe or don't believe in or what it would or could mean. I'm not christian or follow any religion, but I know what every image of a human god means to those who made it. It's a way to try and understand the Universe just like science is. Neither are going to succeed, so what's the point in fighting over it?
CentraCross 9 months ago
@CentraCross I think I'm going to cite Leohnard Euler on this one:
"Dear sir, (a + b to the power n) / n = x, therefore God exists, please respond"
If you worship science so greatly - go be of some use and cure cancer or develop cold fusion.
CentraCross 9 months ago
@CentraCross
Science has found cures, and has the best chance at making cold fusion. Let's see what god has done......
Yeah, right.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
@jkeaty2
Well he does give us some pretty good comedians. Too bad those comedians don't know that they are comedians.
Pikkabuu 9 months ago
@CentraCross
this fight extends to Creationists that are hell bent on throwing us back to the dark ages, when the church actually had power over the people. Discrimination does not include my pointing out that someone who believes that we popped into existence through magic and incantations 6000 years ago is a complete idiot that needs to learn a few things before trying to change public policy. This is what we call peaceful discord, something that creationists find foreign.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
@CentraCross
As far as spreading hate? You might want to look a little into history there buddy. Atheists have been the scourge of the Earth for as long as religion existed (look up Socrates since you claim to be a student of philosophy, and look at the recent history: specifically George H.W. Bush Statement about Atheists) It is about time that we come out and start standing up for ourselves.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
@CentraCross
Not knowing (by observing your assertions) that scientists are open to anyone challenging their theories tells me that you are, at best: an amateur without sufficient training or skill to make such an assertion. Your attempts at logical philosophy are cancelled out by the fact that you use logical fallacies in your arguments. In other words, you are full of shit, and probably just a kid that thinks you know more than you really do.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
Also, "Dear atheist, let's talk", and then disable comments? Sounds like a very religious way of having a conversation.
zooblestyx 9 months ago
"Statistical truth"? Let's play with that. Let's grant the 50-50s. For their case to be convincing to me, all four need to resolve in their favor. That gives a probability of 0.5 to the fourth power. Far as I can see, this video ends up making a 6.25% case.
Cool. These guys are telling me I have a 93.75% chance of being right in dismissing Christianity. How about them statistically true apples?
Also, look closely at the gun. It has 5 chambers. Oops.
Egyptians speak Arabic. Keepin' it real ;)
zooblestyx 9 months ago
You can either win the lottery, or you don't.. 50/50 chance! w00t better stock up on lottery tickets.
enigmusII 10 months ago
... I am confused. Riddle me this; are you doing a Joker voice, aka Heath Ledger, since you sound just like the Joker doing his "Why so serious?" speech?
Henriofgille 10 months ago
prrety good video overall all
aldo any pity argument against the bible seem so reatarded like the craetionitst sheat, 50-50
MrAbsoluteknowledge 10 months ago
all these 50/50 arguments are wrong that chance that the bible is written by god is zero because the historical evidence shows that men write papers and spread ideas thru speech and rumor and come to be a belief system because a whole bunch of people liked the idea. lots of people used 2 believe thor walked the earth 2. and unicorns. and dragons. and fairies. there is no 50/50 on each of these things. there's 0 until a credible picture is taken, no photoshop, no funky lense. observable evidence
cruelbusiness1984 10 months ago
This creationist and I could both possibly be God in human form. It's 50-50!
But God isn't stupid, so I guess I'm the last one standing.
TuahShinguru 11 months ago
The chances are 50/50?!?!
NO THEY AREN't Just because there are only 2 possibilities does NOT mean each of those options are equally plausible.
There either is or isn't a magical unicorn in my garage, do you really think the chances of that is 50/50? Of course not.
dlandon2000 11 months ago 38
@dlandon2000
lol, of course you are right, but what I meant by he is right is at the very beginning. Before reasoned logic and physical evidence are applied to the question. Or are you referring to the idiot in the video?
jkeaty2 11 months ago
@dlandon2000 LOL
punksnotdead1986 10 months ago
@dlandon2000 LOL cant stop laughing
punksnotdead1986 10 months ago
@dlandon2000 there are not only 2 choices . Maybe 3 intelligent creators created the universe etc.
Ganbertuli 8 months ago
@Ganbertuli It depends on how you phrase it.
But the point was that the odds of something being true are definitely not evenly divided amongst the possible outcomes. Meaning if there are three options the odds of each one being true is probably not 1/3, it could be (like on a 3 sided die) but it probably isn't and nothing demands it be that way.
dlandon2000 8 months ago
you have an epic mockery voice! >:]
pogibija 11 months ago
@pogibija
Ummm, thanks? lol
jkeaty2 11 months ago
@jkeaty2 just saying, it fits well well with showing creationists how stupid they look.
pogibija 11 months ago
Holy crap Jay! I clicked on a random vid on utube , I hear a familiar voice ranting on copyright law and it says jkeaty in the corner!
I think I just proved the world is very flat and small...
SierraSierraFoxtrot 11 months ago
@SierraSierraFoxtrot
And.... Uh.... Steel Fury by chance?
jkeaty2 11 months ago
"thats not evolution you idiot, that is big bang cosmology you freakin retard" haahahahah you got a new sub dude
managarm1349 11 months ago 5
4:00 ...LMAO!
AlmostAlwaysFabulous 11 months ago
Just being a creationist is enough to look stupid..........
knobcheese22 1 year ago 23
@knobcheese22
amen!
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@knobcheese22 Yah, Gee, imagine actually considering INTELLIGENCE with the complex world and universe we live in. How stupid. Who would ever consider LIFE and over 1,740,330 species (not including domestic animals, was created.
That's just absurd.
Everyone knows life came from nothing, with no purpose, and became something over billions of years or random mutations and unguided evolution and chance to get what we have today!
Intelligence....DURRRRR, LOL
TheAmazingCreative 11 months ago
@TheAmazingCreative
Ok smart ass, where did the intelligence you speak of come from?
jkeaty2 11 months ago
@TheAmazingCreative
Oh and don't forget the billions and billions of species that have lived before us, and are now extinct. Can't forget those.
You sound like a troll. I saw your video on your page. It misrepresents what an atheist is, so either you are a troll, or a fucktard
jkeaty2 11 months ago
@TheAmazingCreative um yeah, that's exactly how it happened, becase we know THAT it happens, and since life is here and we're sitting here talkign about it, it obviuosly HAD to happen. sorry that you want so bad for there to be some underlying reason for the existance of the universe...yeah.there's a point for the existance of a bunch of stars blowing up and countless uninhabitable places in this universe and for a HUGE amount of time on this planet, life couldn't think about it's own existance
cabot2jville2010 11 months ago
The only evidence for UN-INTELLIGENT DESIGN that I see are those who believe in Evolution. I'd almost believe in Evolution because of the utter stupidity spewing from these brainless fools.
TheAmazingCreative 11 months ago
So hypothetically speaking, (using my freedom of speech) if you told the Police that you molested 10 young children, you wouldn't be prosecuted for it?
There is a thing called "Intellectual Copy Right Law.
Look it up.
TheAmazingCreative 11 months ago
@TheAmazingCreative
Not sure if you are responding to the maker of this video or someone else, but to answer you're question. No, you would not be prosecuted.
For what you said. Now, you would probably be prosecuted for molesting the 10 children, but not for claiming you did.
MrImmoli 11 months ago
@TheAmazingCreative
In answer to that question no. It would be a violation of one's 1st amendment rights to prosecute someone purely because they make a statement. However, if someone makes a statement that leads to an actual commission of a crime, that is something different.
As far as intellectual copyright, I am well aware of what that is, but you apparently are not aware of section 107 of that law.
It is called fair use, look it up
jkeaty2 11 months ago
I don't get how he can say that the 2 are 50/50. just because there are 2 options doesn't mean that they have equal weight. To go with the roulette example you can either get shot in the head or not but that doesn't mean 50/50.
2point7etc 1 year ago
Great vid!
MrLinuxgui 1 year ago
sexyxrs 1 year ago 2
I can't believe they have the balls to state the so-called 50-50 odds so many times. It's like saying that I have a 50-50 chance of writing a hit song, but worse (i.e. there's actually evidence that someone like me has written a hit song).
djanheuser 1 year ago
@BigWillySyndrome
Cool so we agree on something!! yay
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@BigWillySyndrome what is comes down to, is that to a humanist, there is no real discernible difference between the traditional Catholicism, and the Protestant religions. They both believe in an invisible magic being that has absolutely no tangible, or observable quality, hence cannot and never would be able to be tested, therefore will forever remain impossible to detect, ergo will never be affirmatively validated, and will forever be a subject of wishful thinking.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 There was Christianity before Catholicism, and there was divisions before Protestant one.
DreamMarko 1 year ago
@DreamMarko
yes, before the politicization in 300 CE christianity was fragmented already. Catholicism united all of them (mostly)
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 Yeah, some like that. Second largest, at the time, was Orthodoxy. Byzantine Empire wanted religious power, and influence :)
DreamMarko 1 year ago
@BigWillySyndrome
Catholicism was the original Christianity before the Protestant movement of the 15th century
jkeaty2 1 year ago
Are you just being cranky? I'm not saying your wrong, but I'm saying you seem rather overly cranky and snapping at certain people.
Kerns0Phoegon 1 year ago
@Kerns0Phoegon
Nah, I snapped at this jerk because he was trying to threaten the DMCA crap. this was made during the time that Venomfangx was doing this trying to intimidate Thunderf00t.
So anyone threatening DMCA reporting just was in the crosshairs
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@BigWillySyndrome
But not with the support of 80% of the population in the US.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@robertw323
They can be. isn't the world a wonderful place? lol
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@robertw323
You do not have to. They are the ones posing the dichotomy. Atheists come in a variety of flavors. For instance, I am a spiritual humanist minister. Yes I am an atheist, but that just means that I do not believe in a supernatural creator being. Just like a theist believes in a supernatural being, he can still be irreligious.
The confusion is that atheism does not require adherence to a doctrine, whereas theists generally have to follow some form or another.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
hindus have literally 330 million gods.
apply the 50-50% logic, and we instantly get some 150 million gods.
the only thing that te 50-50 thing is an evidence to, is stubborn stupidity.
De4sher 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 You, sir, are one of my new heroes.
brandonpconley1 1 year ago
if we have no evidence that god does or does not exist, then why do we label ourselves as creationists or evolutionists?
i think our ego's just want something to fight over.
3lit3gn0m3 1 year ago
@3lit3gn0m3
I am not one to describe myself as an evolutionist, this is a term used by creationists that implies that evolution actually takes faith to comprehend, which of course it does not.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
*Facepalm* to that creationist video and all creationists who believe they are marking a large dent in the so-called atheist community, as if we are some sort of religion.
ThePowerpuffGirIs 1 year ago
It sounds like the guy was just trying to lead into Pascal's Wager and did a shit job of it. Of course, you can disassemble Pascal's Wager in about five minutes or less so ...
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
Okay - your voice is really pissing me off.
Much more than the fact that these scientific empiristical autologicists with demand for sense-based evidence are just as narrow-minded, small-sighted, unimaginative and plain ignorant as anyone else - whether Creationists, Catholic Theologists or bla bla bla...
You want the truth - make sure that everything you or any one else can possibly imagine is included - else it's incomplete and not the Truth.
CentraCross 1 year ago
@CentraCross
Sooooo......
You are saying that if I can imagine it, then it must be true?
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 You cannot imagine anything that isn't true - it's not the same if you look at it on high philosophical level, but yeah pretty much so.
The point is - no theory can be correct that makes another theory wrong.
CentraCross 1 year ago
@CentraCross
I am not sure of exactly what you are saying. If a theory is discovered, for instance the theory of solar radiation, which through out the prevailing theory that the sun was a standard burning ball of mass via combustion, then the theories are diametrically opposed, making the current prevailing theory is the correct one.
As far as imagining something that is not true. Let me think for about a half a second...
jkeaty2 1 year ago
Maybe you could tell me, just so that I know, exactly what YOU mean by "existence" and "truth", before I start argumenting - it is very helpful if I'm gonna explain something to know what knowledge you already have.
I hope you're doing these things because you enjoy having Philosophical discussions - otherwise I'd be wasting time here.
CentraCross 1 year ago
@CentraCross
I enjoy philosophical discussion, but I am honestly confused because you said something that is patently false.
New theories come along all the time. The sun for instance^^ that is the easiest one that I can think of that totally blew the prevailing theory out of the water. The universe is expanding and in motion rivaled the theory of a static universe.
Existence is in two forms, the material, and the mental construct. We can imagine ANYTHING, I think that I have just shown that
jkeaty2 1 year ago
Respond to this video...
truth on the other hand, is a statement that is pretty black and white. Either it is, or it isn't. God's existence as per the assertion by creationists, is an actual being, not a mental construct. As a mental construct, I would say that yes. As simply a mental construct a god could exist. Hell anyone can imagine that. But as an actual being? Now we are getting into the material end of things, which I find no evidence for whatsoever.
Kinda like Santa claus
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 Okay I'm not gonna go deep as this is a Youtube video... =)
But basically - If you try and define the Universe you're gonna have to find a theory (and by theory I don't mean Hypothesis, which I think you do, and which is incorrect) that incorporates every other theory, for the sake of that these ideas have been imagined. If something is imagined, it has to originate somewhere, meaning that it has to exist.
CentraCross 1 year ago
@CentraCross However - to prove that something doesn't exist cannot be done by the argument of that it is imaginable - that would be like trying to prove the sun is rising by referring to the fact that it's day. But if something exists - it must be imaginable.
To deliver a simple logical version - everything's existance is an axiom one must accept if the logical understanding of the universe is gonna work at all.
CentraCross 1 year ago
@CentraCross
Ok, I am now almost convinced that you are messing with me. I know full well what a theory is, and even insinuating that I would use the layperson's definition of it shows me that you have not seen any of my other videos.
And to define the universe does not have to incorporate every other theory, unless you are developing a theory of a laypersons version of the universe which is EVERYTHING.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@CentraCross
Under your bed as a child. The Boogie man that jumps out and scares you. True? No. Can be imagined? Yes. Totally dreamed up in your head. Can you imagine the star wars saga? Yep. True? No. Lightsabers... Cool, but is it possible with our current technology? No. Has someone come up with the idea? Yep I can name about a thousand things that are not real that do not exist so unless there was a typo, I think we have a non starter
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 And it's funny you should mention Star Wars. Is there really anything you Empiricaly and Scientificaly could say that would prove against it?
CentraCross 1 year ago
@CentraCross
Oh been a while. Been busy... Proving a negative... A logical fallacy.... Typical theist bullshit maneuver. 5 Months old, but not completely lost in the chatter.
jkeaty2 9 months ago
There is a god versus no god is not really 50-50, sure the question is dichotomous but that does not mean that one answer is as likely as the other. While we can't say with any certainty that some extra dimensional sentient being doesn't exist, we can point out that the universe and Earth biology seem to function quite nicely without any external prodding. To my mind this is slides the odds at least somewhat in the favour of no god, at least as far as concepts of an interventional god go.
thursdayschild83 1 year ago
Muslims could very easily claim the same things.
AgentTheGreat 1 year ago
I can answer the question before I have even see the video: their evidence.
That is why it will never be taught or even considered as science because the evidence is non existant or plain fraudulant.
ganados0 1 year ago
I think you made an error around 2:13 to 2:24 "eater their is an intelligent designer or there is not" "and I will say that's that will be correct"...
Did you consider some other "philosophical" point of view? For instance, maybe the designer was a morons, maybe the "designer" only let some original material during the big bang or before it and that it evolve until now (both truth), maybe we are in the matrix and god does not allow us to exist...
Just to say that I doubt the "xor" and 50/50.
therrydicule 1 year ago
@therrydicule good thought.
However, at the very beginning, before any weighing of evidence, or logical thought process comes into play, any question has a 50/50 chance of being correct. That is what that guy is trying to play. He is conveniently ignoring the massive evidence that counters his assertions, and attempting to direct his audience to his way of thinking.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
1234 views!
heebalob 1 year ago
@heebalob
heheheh
jkeaty2 1 year ago
Ummmmmmm the big bang is actually infinite dots, rather than just the one
KamikazeChicken5000 1 year ago
@KamikazeChicken5000 '
Oh let's not make it too incomprehensible for the retards ok?
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 ok :(
KamikazeChicken5000 1 year ago
the chance muhammed was real or not 50/50 the chance buddha was real 50/50 the chance jesus was real 50/50 what the fuckis this? No it is not fucking 50 50 . I can't stand why the user of this vid accepts it. But sure, on the other side I understand that correcting all bullshit is just too much for a hobby.
philateliceun 1 year ago
eveolution-How was youtube created?3 paypal employees made it and edited it and made it nice Creationism= How was youtube created? god put it there....creationists make me laugh
candyisbroke 1 year ago
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Treytupacfan 1 year ago
Several points I'd like to make, first off: Americans are all the same in this matter, creationist or not because you both go off on eachother in exactly the same way. For example I've seen several clips on youtube about talkshows where people of either conviction were invited only to be bashed in the end. Laughing at someone doesnt help and personally Ithink its a sorry excuse for a tv-show.
Second and more to the point part comming right up...Already almost out of characters.
Treytupacfan 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan
REally now Mr Belgian? I am soooo glad that you know so much about Americans, and American Atheists.
With that out of the way, after years and years of suppression by creationists, after attempting several times to usurp scientific fact, after years of fighting to quash reality, we are fed up with people acting so damn stupid that they cannot count the two brain cells in their head.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 This is another American way of thinking, your convinced that your the only people experiancing anything in this world. Religion has been terrorising the old world long before the America's were discovered. The Inquisition, the Crusades and the prosecution of non-christians which dates as far back as 300 a.d. to name a few. I personally have been abused by nuns and schoolteachers and my family intimidated, and for that I distrust christians above all.
Treytupacfan 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan
I think that we are suffering from a miscommunication. I am understanding that you are an atheist are you not? I think that I mistook your comment to bash on atheists.
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 I am an Atheïst, not just because its not true what religions state. If it were just a white lie to help people better their lives for the sake of doing good, it wouldn't bother me. But religions are made up by humans to controle other humans, just another way to exercise power upon others.
But what does it matter wether I'm atheïst, I still don't agree with how you people go at eachother, you can say whatever you like but please, both sides, make it insightfull and constructive yeah?
Treytupacfan 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan
Ok I think you misunderstood what I am saying in this video.
The original video author attempts to use logic and rational in an area where logic and rationality are void, in a message directed toward atheists saying that the only rational choice is to agree with him. In my video I am systematically debunking his argument, and letting him know that these arguments are very antiquated, and not effective in convincing anyone of anything except those that already believe
jkeaty2 1 year ago
@jkeaty2 But we already knew that
Treytupacfan 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan My friend, dont blame the existence of God a non existence because of what churches do. It is very clear on the bible of what you speak about. First of all, the bible is clear in saying that the only true religion is the help of widows, orphans and elders. I dont agree much with churches, so i rely on the truth, the bible. My friend, the devils greatest power is to mix lies with the truth. So when you deny the truth, its the devil at its best. Look what he has done with the world.
sdchargers35 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan The world you live in is the devils biggest lie, he has us living in a world of lies and imagination. We are slaves to the financial world. I dont get how people dont believe in God when the devil is fully active in this world. Look up the truth on earth so you could understand the truth of heaven. "ILLUMINATI" "BILDERBERG" "FREEMASONS" "KNIGHTS TEMPLAR" "SKOOL&BONES" "ROMAN CATHOLICS" "THE VERY RICH" ETC.....
sdchargers35 1 year ago
@sdchargers35 Ahh right, so in a time where people believe in god more commonly things will be fine..Just look at the medieval times! It wasn't called the dark ages for nothing. Spirituality is fine, religion sucks. You can believe what you want, good for you hope you have a blast, but stop pestering others about it.
Thats the last I'll say cuz my pc's been broken and I'm writing this from a friends place.
Treytupacfan 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan If people act retarded they should be treated like retards. Sorry but I can't understand this PC bullshit some atheist have. These fucking theist distort and twist reality WILFULLY so they can manipulate people for their own gain. There is no need for constructive critisism. Infact, it is detrimental to our own arguments because it gives their side the same respect as a real theory should get. Fuck them, they put no effort in their theories so I should put no effort in debunking.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun You not understanding something sais more about yourself than anyone else. If you feel they put no effort in their beliefs then put no effort in trying to tell them off and just let it go. And who are we to judge other people about what they believe in? For all we know theyre right. I can't remember ever dieing so I couldn't tell you for sure what happens afterwards. In the end all I can say is do onto others as you'd have them do to you.
Treytupacfan 1 year ago
@Treytupacfan No I understand that you should always be right even if it doesn't benefit your emotions like freedom of speech and freedom of believe. But on the other hand you can go to the extreme. There is believe but there is also reality and letting people be wilfully ignorant of reality is immoral. You can't let people believe the world is 6K years old. It is not a matter of believe, it is beyond fact that the world is older. And these people raise innocent children with those ideas.