TB Joshua Miracles

[mrdebrawu]

thanks for this expose Alen, you tackled this one with an open-mind and fairness. Could you kindly give us your assessment of another popular Nigerian preacher by the name of Chris Oyakhilome aka Pastor Chris?

[Razua77]

@mrdebrawu Thanks! Unfortunately I no longer do videos on religion but maybe one day I'll look into the Pastor and see what's going on!

[Tantoin]

Click my name below to watch "deception of the age 1-8" in my playlists, it goes into the various methods TB and his sin of gog cult members and outsiders use to create his fake miracle scams upon the gullible and naive. Study the Bible and see how all these con men and heretics were foretold of as well.

[Tantoin]

TB and his empire of criminals and paid off actors are nothing more then another Nigerian scam. TB has absolutely NOTHING to do with Biblical Christianity, con men like him were all foretold of in the Bible, criminals and con men heretics using Jesus' name to trick the naive and desperate for their money, sex and adoration. There is a special place in hell reserved for TB and his criminal empire mixed up of Pagans, Atheists and Muslims. Click my name below to watch "deception of the age 1-8"

[Razua77]

@Tantoin Sad that ppl can't see the problem already associated with this nonsense being brewed in such a scam artist riddled country such as Nigeria LOL! Sad ppl so readily w/o true investigation are willing to proclaim this nonsense as real and of god when the man speaks nothing about leading ppl to "Biblical Truths".

How can u smell a fraud, they only focus on the bag of goods they are selling.

[gilloreena]

tbjoshuawatch.wordpress. com - finally a level-headed website, without the hype!

[Razua77]

T.B Joshua could EASILY come to places where he can perform his "miracles" in front of people less suceptible to fake madness, coercion, etc. There are plenty of "T.B.J's out there claiming to be performing miracles and yet they are all the same.

Worse of all is that these types tend to be more the type to not be scripturally correct whatsoever.

[Razua77]

Can't argue w/ a non-debatable, at random, on the streets style miracle taking place. Would love to see someone have someone's limb regrown in the name of "jesus" at random, on the streets, and immediately seen. Of course such won't happen.

The only "miracles" by Muslims & Xtians will be stuff that anybody can do in many other "names" and can be easily faked.

[Razua77]

Love how everyone trying to challenge me fail to deal with what I'm talking about. Instead they divert to other subjects, silly ad hominem, or other "miracles". For so many believers there sure seem to be a lack of a DEFINITIVE miracles...nope just circus acts.

[chopthehay]

You have a very strict definition of what miracles entail, which is not allowing to see all of the possibilities. For one, not all miracles are instantaneous. The curse of the fig tree in Mark 11 took some time for the miracle to materialize, so was the healing of the blind man whom Jesus had to touch twice in Mark 8.

[Razua77]

@chopthehay Nah I don't have a strict definition; I have what occured in YOUR BIBLE! Yeah I KNOW not all supernatural acts were performed instantaneously. HOWEVER there were MANY that were. I take it none today do these things, strange given the number of "believers". You'd think by now there should've been verfiable random, instant miracles that have been recorded.

[chopthehay]

@Razua77 "I don't have a strict definition"

Yes you have. Your very own video is a testament to it. You use the word "instantaneous" as one of the criteria.

You then wrote: "I KNOW not all supernatural acts were performed instantaneously." If such is the case, then this criteria must be dropped from your definition. You are indeed providing a definitional stricture in your video.

[Razua77]

@chopthehay I think this argument is over a hill of beans. In the end the MAIN argument here is that there are NONE out there performing instantaneous, random, outside their own control/domains type of miracles. As TBN, TB Joshua performs his stuff at an event, doing things that from the videos alone prove nothing, etc. Of course doubt could immediately be silenced if there were any non-debatable REAL evidence of miracles.

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[chopthehay]

@Razua77: "In the end the MAIN argument here is that there are NONE out there performing instantaneous, random, outside their own control/domains type of miracles"

And did you personally verify this yourself? All of the cases? In all of the continents?

[Razua77]

@chopthehay It's the gist of THIS particular video (definitlely not a representative of ALL the problems I see w/ Christianity) and NO I don't need to verify every claim from every Joe & Jane around the globe. Have you done so in regards to claims from every other religion other than Christianity??? Yet I'm sure you feel Christianity is the truth correct?

For me there are additional issues that help me to know these things are no more real than the next claim.

[chopthehay]

@Razua77 "Have you done so in regards to claims from every other religion other than Christianity?"

Are we discussing other religions? And how exactly does this answer my question about your reaching the sort of confidence level as regards your bold statement, viz. that there "are NONE out there performing" miracles...unless, of course, you've done the required confirmatory legwork such conclusive statements demand? You have not answered the question.

[chopthehay]

@Razua77, who wrote "You'd think by now there should've been verfiable random, instant miracles that have been recorded."

I doubt you have gone ahead and flown to Nigeria to attemp a verification of these miracles. You must do that before making a decision or jumping to conclusions as to the verifiability of such miracles.

[Razua77]

@chopthehay Why in the world do i need to fly to Nigeria. There are believers WORLDWIDE...at least here in the U.S there would be much more a chance of having suppose events verified, recorded, looked at by skeptics etc. I'm sorry but Nigeria is too "desperate" (and not all that educated) a place in comparison to industrial superpowers.

To each their own; I have more reason to not believe T.B.J than his videos so I stand by my position.

[Demswa]

aaaah like that, it seems you have so many Questions, So many why's??? hehehe. I would really suggest you should go there one day. that might solve alot, and if the Holy Spirit Commands TB Joshua to go to America, then you will see him. He has been to Australia already, didnt you see what happened there..??

[Razua77]

@Demswa Going there is not going to do anything for me anymore than going to a Benny Hinn circus act would here in the U.S where he claims the same special miracles on a daily basis sorry. How about T.B Joshua COME HERE to the U.S where he can be under the careful eye of "not so gullible" people, media, and cameras that won't lie for him!

Don't remember Jesus needing to do miracles on his own stage...he went out to the public and did his thing AT RANDOM.

[Demswa]

This is such a stupid video, you see miracles happening, yet you don't believe, but neither can or have you done any better. Don't waste your time on these nonsense veds with your opinion, your opinion leads to nothing, it only tells people you are just as ignorant as the people who killed Jesus. If you don't believe in miracles from God, fine. keep it yo yoself

[Delorynn86]

PEOPLE READ YOUR WORD FOR YOUR SELF AND AS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR UNDERSTANDING AND LET THE LORD TEACH YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND YES IT IS REALL PEOPLE AS MY GRANDMOTHER SAYS KEEP LIVEING THE WORLD IS COMEING TO A IN.......

[dibakog]

the guy saw videos go there man!

[nm71O]

this in 2 Razua77 u saying tb joshua miracle,is giving him credit, but give it 2 God, tb joshua gives the credit 2 God

[christinme2u]

Unfortunately the only mirical you will believe in is when you are resurrected and stand before God and are sent to Hell for your unbelief .Every knee will and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD!

[Razua77]

@christinme2u At that rate I guess every religion/faith can tell me the same thing...I'll believe once their version of "THE END" comes...when their version of "THE JUDGMENT" comes. Unfortunately that only points to weakness of these "faiths"...the almighty, "wait til the end then you'll see" type statements since there's clearly no evidence NOW to see.

[kwena7]

Why wont T.B should allow himself to be scrutinised under controlled conditions?

[Razua77]

@kwena7 None of the "Frauds" I mean "Christian Ministers" would allow themselves to be tested in foreign environments out of there control...I mean "stage". You'll NEVER see them healing on the streets, healing a skeptic, or anything outside their church/convention. Funny how their master SUPPOSEDLY did it everyday LOL!

[Razua77]

@kwena7 Exactly...it'll never happen though!

[olajidew]

If there is an antichrist and a blasphemer this man is one.This rubbish against TB Joshua. Its very easy to spot the difference. He looks like a Gangster and what comes out his mouth is junk , gabbage and trash

[queenblacks4]

MATTHEW 16:4 - A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

[Razua77]

@queenblacks4 Not much of a response nor anything near what's going on here but okay. Next time try to deal with the challenges being posted as this scripture doesn't answer for it whatsoever.

[witchcerridwen]

i agree totally and i have a question for you.what do you think of the people getting arrested by the holy gohst?or people glued to the floor?that happens to.and i think he is a big fake.

[Razua77]

@witchcerridwen Yeah, it's all "REAL" but it's not from some "holy spirit", it's from there own action as they submit to the group's goal! Funny thing is that the very BIBLE they follow doesn't promote the dumb stuff they do claiming it's the "Holy Ghost"!

[Imaginefree69]

Millions of Christians regularly testify

to God's protection and healing power.

Why don't the insurance and health statistics

show a lower rate of illness, injury, and death

for believers as opposed to unbelievers?

Why is that?

[Razua77]

@Imaginefree69 Exactly...amazing how many of them still be in the hospitals when the suppose miracles are suppose to prevent the need to see a doctor altogether. I'm always amazed by just how many ppl believe in the nonsense without using their brainpower to challenge the silliness of it all!

[captain7667]

(continues from up) And Jesus said if we believe we shall also do more things than what he did John 14:12 and i trust Jesus. So what he does whatever power he uses by God is also possible and more possible,. and the message of advise do not believe in him believe in the miracles only then u will strengthen your faith, the bible says in Hebrews 11: 6 without faith u will never please do remember Jesus was also not accepted what he did.

[Razua77]

Don't know what this had to do with proving anything but okay.

[captain7667]

I will not refuse or accept what u say because i do not know if i have the gift of discerning spirits.This Man of God JOSHUA although most of the things like commanding delivery of a kid is new to me. According to Mathew 7:1 i will not judge him.( it continues down)

[Razua77]

Comment section is open BUT be warned IF you are a moron and/or idiot and all you have is AD HOMS to bring to the table your waste of comment will be removed & not even read!

Please do yourself a favor & don't waste your time!

[Tantoin]

Search the following phrase on Youtube to learn the truth about the criminal con artist organization headed by TB Joshua

Deception of the age

[Molassej2024]

Not all healings are instant. My father heal poeple on our farm(In Namibia) but most times it takes from 1 day -1 week. He has healed, what i know of, a back injury, asthma and gave my grandmother back use of her left side of her body after her tumor. All these instances took between 1-3 days of praying.

What's the difference if someone is healed instantly or over time.

You can't judge him on his you tube videos. Watch Emmanuel Tv to here about his teachings.

[Razua77]

Well of course they are not...they don't even exist besides CLAIMS. My point is....in the bible of CLAIMS powers were demonstrated IMMEDIATELY in the majority of the stories. I'm NOT surprised that the same is not duplicated today. The supposed "healings" that take place today over TIME are nothing special and occur in EVERY GROUP of thought/religion/medicine.

[marisolita100]

TB Joshua is a real prophet of God. If you want to see the truth - watch Emmanuel TV and see for yourself - the controversy and criticism surrounding his ministry is because it is so unique to see someone actually taking Jesus at His Word like the apostles did and who is seeing the same results. This ministry has changed my life.

[shakaz01]

this video is pointless

[Razua77]

Wow; I guess it couldn't have been worse than your brainless/pointless comment. Thanks for your stupidity but it's not appreciated.

[ooglebydoogleby]

"what hidden signal can you explaine it?" i doubt its obvouse to typically holy educated miracle acsepting nuts. i suspect. you find the signal.

[ooglebydoogleby]

there are no miracles if you believe this would be a contravention of gods laws. an act against god. but if you dont beleive you allready know there are no miracles its all a sad delusion. and do you think that unto such as you.

a maggot minded starved fanatic crew

god gave the secret and denied it me

well well what matters it believe that too.

[ooglebydoogleby]

comanding a pregnant woman to give birth is not a miracle. comanding a pregnant woman never to give birth and sucseeding is unusual but not a miracle. however comanding a woman who is not pregnant to give birth and she does that would be interesting. hay maybe he could comand an amputee to grow another limb right in front of everyone. or what about parting the sea it was good enough for moses. the world is full of fakirs or fakers.

[jmm1233]

I found a quote for you regarding this :

"If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences."

H. P. Lovecraft

[divine137]

man, how stupid can this guy get? he sees an actual miracle and then says 'i would like him to do this..." um, sound familiar? yes, he sounds like the pharisees that killed Jesus Christ. wow! this guy got issues. he says, ok, i want to see a real barren woman. what? did he not just see all these woman being commanded to give birth and the baby just comes out! can he do that? dont think so.

[jmm1233]

even a pregnant woman if hypnotised can be commanded to give birth , it is called "the power of suggestion" , obviously you failed to notice that the woman was pregnant at the time, thus concluding that the woman needed to be pregnant in the first place , no miracle there , and in actual fact pharisees are the most jewish religious fanatics of that time period , more like you it seems ,

[theman77777777232]

"even a pregnant woman if hypnotised can be commanded to give birth , it is called "the power of suggestion"

Why aren't doctors practicing this method of childbirth to relieve these women of their pains if it is possible?

[jmm1233]

they do , just you have to pay for the treatment , it not all part of medical treatment in hsopitals , it just easier for them to give the women pain killers

[theman77777777232]

"they do, just you have to pay for the treatment, it not all part of medical treatment in hospitals, it just easier for them to give the women pain killers"

Well jmm1233, since you've been researching childbirth under hypnosis you shouldn't have any problem directing me to a simliar video; since there are about 200,000 - 350,000 babies born everyday. Direct me to the video where the doctor COMMANDS it out 10 feet away and ONE second later she squats for the FIRST time. ONE second later, a baby.

[Razua77]

TBJ's religion is erroneous b/c it's Christianity which itself is contradicting to the very scriptures it claims to uphold.

[ooglebydoogleby]

the real miracle is that given the evidence showing the clearly fraudulent bassis to all miracle's that have been investigated people are still willing to believe in them. magic tricks do have an impresive effect on people though. if you learn one and go round doing iot on people you will get a fairly good idea of the power of miracles,lol.

[Razua77]

That's the saddest part of all is that even with video technology, make-up, special fx, etc. etc. PPL are still willing to believe it's real. There's ppl that swear Chris Angel's stuff is real when it's too easy to see how that game is played. I just can't believe ppl have a low enough standard to count TBJ's low quality/3rd world videos as anything but deception/fraud.

[ooglebydoogleby]

when david blaine sat in a box suspended in mid air in london i went to have a look. not at him but at the circus that followed him. i kid you not he had religous followeres who swore to his divinity. i talked to them. not many but they exist. the guy doesn't claim any divinity but people want to believe in the fantastic. its ok when theyre young and open but when they hit forty they start wanting to hang people for blasphemy?

[theman77777777232]

"when david blaine sat in a box suspended in mid air in london i went to have a look."

So did lots of people who were just walking by and stopped to gander, like a car accident.

[ooglebydoogleby]

some. strange as this may sound when i see a bunch of young longhairs sitting around having a candle lit vigil that makes me cureous? see miracles dont happen. crooks claiming miracles are borring, because its allways crap. allways. what motivates real people in real events to behave in irational ways. thats quite interesting. as for the price of gas it was a detour on a company journey so i didn't pay for the petrol. your incredulity is highly amussing, miracles, yeh detour,nah. lol.

[theman77777777232]

"see miracles dont happen."

Then give me YOUR hypothesis on how "Instant Baby Delivery" was assembled.

[ooglebydoogleby]

i havnt even seen it and geus what i couldnt care less. ive seen three babies delivered of my own. like overnight sensations though i bet there is a great deal of preparation. if its a video of a guy saying i comand you to be born and a baby pops out on cue you can rest asured it wasnt the only time he uttered those words and editting is involved. it does seem a rather pointless miracle is his next one going to be comanding the sun to shine just before dawn? or rain to fall on a cloudy day!

[theman77777777232]

"i havnt even seen"

Then you have NO room to speak. Go away.

"if its a video of a guy saying i comand you to be born and a baby pops out on cue you can rest asured it wasnt the only time he uttered those words and editting is involved."

He said come out and ONE secind later she squatted for the FIRST time. I have been over this film a thousand times and I know EXACTLY where it was edited.

You hear that Razua, even your guy says that if it came right out on cue that it's impossible.

[theman77777777232]

Watch the video before you type another word

watch?v=MtyELRtCjyw

NO CUTS between "Come out" and her first squat. ONE SECOND later a baby appears. If you don't have the balls to watch it then you have no say in the matter.

[theman77777777232]

By the way, they're in front of the entire church congregation. he has over 50,000 members.

[ooglebydoogleby]

whats the point of the miracle? the child is the real miracle not a third rate conjurer. take making the lame walk. look at that womans wheel chair. knew tyres? but she's been cripled for years and she's poor and destitute. where did the knew tyres come from. time for a remake. miracles dont happen. they never have they never will. 50.000 congregation x 1 dollar hmm wheres the new church been built then what about the hospital? wheres the money gone? is there a colection? thought so.

[theman77777777232]

"whats the point of the miracle?"

Childbirth is one of the most common natural occurrences among mankind. Do you have any idea how many babies are born everyday? What I am trying to get through your thicks skull is that until you come up with a clear hypothesis refuting the factual event, what happened in "INSTANT BABY DELIVERY" is NOT a common everyday occurrence.

Show me ONE video where the person delivering the baby orders it out and poof 2 seconds later, a baby (without a word from mom).

[ooglebydoogleby]

listen ime not the one who thinks there are other people stupid enough to go round comanding babies to be born and that there are video's of this. how do you expect to get a video of someone doing something that everyone knows doesn't work. show me a video of a man comanding a kettle to boil and a second latter it does! whats the point learn something usefull. like respect for instance. if being sceptical is thick then ime happy to be considered an imbecile its a step up from you.

[theman77777777232]

"listen ime not the one who thinks there are other people stupid enough to go round comanding babies to be born and that there are video's of this."

I hope you aren't stupid enough to believe that these videos exist. One guy on here actually said that a woman could be "hypnotized" into giving birth. lol. Show me the doctors practicing this method of childbirth to relieve these womens' pains.

[ooglebydoogleby]

actually whole operations are caried out under hypnotic sugestion. but you are stupid enough to believe that one guy can comand babiers to be born and if not more then why ask for the video's unless you dont know that there will be no videos. show me one video where he comands an amputated limb to grow back or shut up!

[theman77777777232]

"actually whole operations are caried out under hypnotic sugestion."

If this is TRULY a method of delivering babies, why aren't doctors practicing this form of childbirth? It seems it would save these women a lot of trouble and excruciating pains. Show me the EVIDENCE that proves a woman can be hypnotized into giving birth!

"show me one video where he comands an amputated limb to grow back or shut up!"

This guy's ass was missing and it grew back after he prayed:

watch?v=tTNC2BXsvXs

[ooglebydoogleby]

it must have growen back in place of your brain but enough about your miracles youve provided ample evidence of that one.

[theman77777777232]

"it must have growen back in place of your brain but enough about your miracles youve provided ample evidence of that one."

Are we now resorting to ad hominems? lol Attack the message, not the messenger. Tell me HOW it was faked. Don't just run around like a chicken with his head cut off screaming faker! faker! Scream HOW he faked it. Name a Blaine or Angel trick and I'll get you a CLEAR and COHERENT refutation.

[ooglebydoogleby]

i have provided a plausable explanation.

and do you think that unto such as you

a magot minded starved fanatic crew

god gave the secret and denied it me

well well what matters it believe that too omar khayam

[theman77777777232]

"how do you expect to get a video of someone doing something that everyone knows doesn't work."

lolololololololol

Thank you so much for proving my point genius. If it worked like that for all women, then what we witnessed together could not be labeled as a true miracle, now could it. lol

"show me a video of a man comanding a kettle to boil and a second latter it does!"

This makes no sense. I could come up with a dozen hypotheses telling you how it was faked.

[ooglebydoogleby]

it couldnt it doesn't work. thanks for recognising my geneus but comming from you its understandable that you recognise a superior intelect. thanks. one swallow doesn't make a summer. show me all his other comanded births. no i didn't think so. oh and wheres himn comanding a limb to grow. no i didnt think so. maybe he could pay to have one sown on with all that dirty money.

[theman77777777232]

"it couldnt it doesn't work. "

EXACTLY. geez.

"thanks for recognising my geneus"

Sorry you can't recognize sarcasm.

"show me all his other comanded births."

lol. We getting desperate?

"oh and wheres himn comanding a limb to grow."

watch?v=tTNC2BXsvXs

Why did this crazy lady just KNOW that his ass would grow back? She must have been seeing some wild stuff to just KNOW his ass would grow back. If that was your brother, would you just KNOW his ass would regenerate? In THAT condition?!

[theman77777777232]

"if its a video of a guy saying i comand you to be born and a baby pops out on cue you can rest asured it wasnt the only time he uttered those words and editting is involved."

LOLOLOLOL. now that you watched the video, she's holding the baby in huh? lolololol

[ooglebydoogleby]

sory what were you saying about ad hominims pot and kettle spring to mind.

[theman77777777232]

"sory what were you saying about ad hominims pot and kettle spring to mind."

How about, uh, your an ignorant fool that doesn't think things through.

[theman77777777232]

or spell.

[theman77777777232]

"wheres the money gone? is there a colection? thought so."

They're in LAGOS, Nigeria. poorest city in the world. They have no money and he doesn't ask for any. what the church gets they feed the poor with.

Where's that hypothesis?

[ooglebydoogleby]

how do you know! and lagos isnt the poorest city in the world. stop making stuff up. your desperation to say anything to make your cause look plausable is transparent. are you on the pay role? he's racking it in i bet. even if he's exposed people will keep paying they always do.

[theman77777777232]

"how do you know"

I've actually put time into studying this man's ministry over the past 6 months. I don't talk about things without researching them first. Unlike people who comment about videos that they haven't yet watched. lol.

"and lagos isnt the poorest city in the world."

They're pretty darn poor.

"are you on the pay role?"

No. I live in the USA.

[ooglebydoogleby]

miracles dont happen! your research is flawed.

[theman77777777232]

"miracles dont happen! your research is flawed."

impressive refutation

[theman77777777232]

"your desperation to say anything to make your cause look plausable is transparent."

Say anything like what? I have given NO false information. Maybe not THE poorest, but they are certainly ONE of THE poorest cities in the world! Sorry I exaggerated a bit.

Are you saying I'm wrong about women's muscles not being able to hold in a baby?

What desperation do I have to say anything? Please explain. What false info have I given?

Why don't you just buckle down and give your hypothesis refuting it.

[ooglebydoogleby]

ive just watched one of his video's. i bet hes racking in a fortune. there is one thing though it is posible for a mother to hang on to a baby for a very limmited period of time. also the crowds and hightened tension and if she's not a first time mother! and i never said anything of the sort. but you are obvously convinced by simple things. i do a miracle in one of my video's. i make a card disapear because i have the jesus hands. i even turn it into another card. you want to believe it.

[theman77777777232]

"ive just watched one of his video's."

Did you watch "Instant Baby Delivery"? Where's your hypothesis on how it COULD HAVE been assembled?

"i bet hes racking in a fortune."

He doesn't ask for money.

"it is posible for a mother to hang on to a baby for a very limmited period of time. "

Women DO NOT have muscles to hold in a baby. ONLY muscles to push out! YOU CAN'T STOP IT.

[ooglebydoogleby]

yes you can my wife was asked to hold on and stop pushing on sevrel ocasions when my children were being born. you just make up whatever suits you. does the church take a colection? 50,000?

[theman77777777232]

"yes you can my wife was asked to hold on and stop pushing on sevrel ocasions when my children were being born."

The time they can hold it for is EXTREMELY limited. Again, women DO NOT have muscles to hold a baby in (for an EXTENDED PERIOD) only to PUSH OUT.

How did he know she was dilated to 10 cm and she was ready to push? I didn't hear her say, "Hurry up, I can't hold it anymore!" Matter of fact she said NOTHING. Show me a SILENT birth under these conditions!

[ooglebydoogleby]

i answere your questions but you just make up more conditions. a minute ago women didn't have muscles to hold and know they do. maje your mind up you dont seem to know what your saying.

[theman77777777232]

"i answere your questions but you just make up more conditions"

Answered what questions? how did he know she was dilated to 10 cm? Explain the circumstances leading up to the birth. Let your imagination run wild.

"a minute ago women didn't have muscles to hold and know they do."

Women DO NOT have muscles to hold in a baby for an extended period of time? Do you know how long she would have had to hold it in for? MUCH longer than is possible during labor.

[theman77777777232]

"but you are obvously convinced by simple things."

Not quite that simple. Don't pretend like you know my mind. I've researched this ministry for months. Find me a person who's been there to say the videos and medical records are false. This has been going on a decade and a half now. Find me ONE reliable refutation online.

Find me ONE video where a doctor COMMANDS a baby out and POOF 2 seconds later, hmm a baby (from a silent mom who squats for the first time). And without guiding the head!

[ooglebydoogleby]

i dont need to ive watched the video and what i saw was a natural child birth of a very pregnant woman. he comanded the baby to be born right at the start of the video but the baby couldn't have been listening that time. its not allways long especially if its not the mothers first. there is no miracle there just a baby being born. as for the video you request nobody does that because it doesn't work generaly but show me one video where an amputee is comanded to grow another limb and does.

[theman77777777232]

"what i saw was a natural child birth of a very pregnant woman."

Indeed. and she did not squat until ONE second after he commanded the baby out. The baby came out ONE second after she squatted.

"he comanded the baby to be born right at the start of the video but the baby couldn't have been listening that time."

He commanded the baby out at 00:35. She was NOT squatting prior. At 00:37 he shouted "AAGH" as the shadow of a live newborn baby simultaneously appeared.

[theman77777777232]

"its not always long especially if its not the mothers first."

lol. Not always long from what point? From the point the doctor checks if she's dilated to 10 cm? Or from the point he starts yelling "push"? lol. Or maybe from the point that he stands 10 feet away and tells it to come out without even looking.

And from whatever point you you choose, can you find me one (AND I QUOTE) "on cue"?

[ooglebydoogleby]

here's your hypothesis. 1 find a woman who has a history of quick births. 2 work out a signal for when shes very near. 3 fill the time around her with tricks 4 if she's not ready she can allways come back tomorow. you only call her when you get the signal. 5 tell her you want the baby to be born with christs mesangers blessing that way you can dupe her into cooperating without realising she's being used. 6 film it find idiots to believe it. at 7 seconds "be delivered in the name of christ."

[theman77777777232]

"1 FIND a woman who has a history of quick births."

About the "finding" part. How do you go about doing this repeatedly without EVER being exposed as a fraud???

And THIS woman in particular CAME TO HIM because she said that the doctors recommended a cesarean (says the woman who posted the video and says she personally knows the woman). If she did not come to him and then she must be in on it which brings me back to point one: How do you go about doing this repeatedly without EVER being exposed?

[ooglebydoogleby]

you fill your congregation with gulable people like you who would believe in miracles and see miracles in natural events. 50,000 congregation sory what were you saying about finding a very preganant woman who has a history of quick births. dont you discuss your problems with your paster?

[theman7777779998888]

"you fill your congregation with gulable people like you who would believe in miracles and see miracles in natural events."

How do you get 50,000 gullible people to gather round?

" sory what were you saying about finding a very preganant woman who has a history of quick births."

At least you know how to apologize when you see you statement makes no sesne.

[theman77777777232]

"2 work out a signal for when shes very near. 3 fill the time around her with tricks 4 if she's not ready she can allways come back tomorow. you only call her when you get the signal. 5 tell her you want the baby to be born with christs mesangers blessing that way you can dupe her into cooperating without realising she's being used. 6 film it find idiots to believe it. at 7 seconds "be delivered in the name of christ."

Points 2-7 are moot till you work out point 1.

[theman77777777232]

"2 work out a signal for when shes very near. "

What signal? Is the pregnant lady in on it or not? Point 7 you say she doesn't realize she's being used. Which is it? Is she in on it or not? Let's go step by step through your hypothesis here. I'll wait for your response.

[ooglebydoogleby]

your so thick ive allready explained that one. there are many majic tricks which rely on hidden signals its nothing new. also ive explaned how she could be duped into helping unwittingly drug smuglers use these techniques to get drugs across borders. they dress as priests and ask people to take a present for a sick child across the border. then they get arested with a tedy bear full of drugs. your not interested in the drugs miraculously apearing in teddy bears miracles though.

[theman7777779998888]

" there are many majic tricks which rely on hidden signals its nothing new."

WHAT SIGNAL??? Explain it. The woman would have to be in on it o give a signl! Point 7 you say she's been duped.

How about the signal was the puddle of water next to her freakin chair. In on it or not. Who the heck cares? that's not even the point.

[theman7777779998888]

"ive explaned how she could be duped into helping unwittingly "

NO you haven't. How do you work out a signal? What's the signal for? And who cares about the prior circumstances before the birth? It doesn't explain your prior statement: "f its a video of a guy saying i comand you to be born and a baby pops out on cue you can rest asured it wasnt the only time he uttered those words and editting is involved."

forget if they are in on it together. IT DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE BIRTH ITSELF MORON.

[ooglebydoogleby]

many fraudster religouse fakes have worked out point one for me allready. ime not writting conjecture these are documented techniques. stooges willing and unwilling. google deren brown his miracles are far better than your fake pasters.

[theman77777777232]

And even if you could rearrange your stupid 7 points to make any sense, it doesn't explain your prior statement with many misspellings,

"if its a video of a guy saying i comand you to be born and a baby pops out on cue you can rest asured it wasnt the only time he uttered those words and editting is involved."

What happened to that? There was NO editing between "COME OUT" and birth. Erase all possible circumstances from your memory that could have happened before the birth. It doesn't matter.

[ooglebydoogleby]

you realy dont read very well at all and i thought ny spelling was a problem. if you read the coments you will find that firstly the begining of the video has audio missing. secondly as prevously comented on at 7 seconds he says something like. "be delivered in the name of christ." but your so busy answereing you dont question. not like jesus who chalenged false prophets at all are you.

[theman7777779998888]

"you will find that firstly the begining of the video has audio missing."

No there isn't. Thaey added background music around his voice.

"he says something like. 'be delivered in the name of christ.'"

Yes, her water just broke dumass. They were ready to deliver the baby. Why do you keep thinking that the possible circumstances before her FIRST squat have ANYTHING to do with the birth itself?

[theman77777777232]

"he comanded the baby to be born right at the start of the video but the baby couldn't have been listening that time."

No he didn't. She was sitting in her chair at first. How is that a position to give birth in? She wasn't ready to give birth till those women intentionally grabbed her arms to put her in the squatting birth position (which is the norm in Europe). Once they grabbed her arms he said "come out". ONE second later she squatted and pushed for the FIRST time. ONE second later, a baby.

[ooglebydoogleby]

thank you . she wasnt ready to give birth. know your showing some true promis in understanding how these processes work. thanks for proving my point. what part of europe is that by the way?

[theman77777777232]

"not at him but at the circus that followed him."

LOL. Yea right. You mean to tell me that with gas as high as it is, you drove all the way down there just to talk to David Blaine's followers? lol. Sounds like you're just making excuses. I never took time out of my schedule to go look at a crowd of people before. That's just odd. And then you go around asking them questions like you're the national enquirer, asking them if Blaine is divine? That's just weird dude.

[ooglebydoogleby]

you think thats odd but going to look at a man suspended in mid air in a box is quite natural presumably. at the time I was picking up another musician from south west london and we decided to detour a few miles on our journey to east london. Blane had been in the media every day though most of it was negative. at one point someone had fired golf balls at him from the north bank of the thames and another guy flew a burger round him using a remote control helicopter. it was a media circus.

[theman77777777232]

"but going to look at a man suspended in mid air in a box is quite natural presumably."

Who said that? I wasn't there. Not very amusing to me. A bunch of longhaired hippees sitting around would not have caught my curiosity either.

"you think thats odd"

Yes, I do. You parked your car and interrupted your day to see David Blaine suspended in mid-air. Then you try to play it off like you only stopped to question a circus of longhaired hippees about Blaine's divinity (which is even weirder).

[ooglebydoogleby]

so what are you sugesting? lets pretend its weird for a minute just to humour you. whats your point. stopping to see an internationally knowen magician in the centre of one of the greatest cities in the world, beside a famouse landmark with crowds of people and media is weird but believing in magic baby spells is normal. the only person trying to play anything off is you with your conspiracy theory david blaine hypothesis. what could be behind it... whooo, whooo, whooo, scooby do. lol.

[theman77777777232]

"stopping to see an internationally knowen magician in the centre of one of the greatest cities in the world, beside a famouse landmark with crowds of people and media is weird"

I NEVER SAID THAT. I would have stopped too. He's a celebrity.

YOU SAID that you only stopped to look at the circus of people. Now THAT's some weird crap.

Fess up, you stopped to see Blaine like everyone else.

[theman77777777232]

"the only person trying to play anything off is you with your conspiracy theory david blaine hypothesis."

what are you talking about? What hypothesis. David Blaine doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this miracle birth. Why don't YOU form a hypothesis on how it COULD HAVE been assembled and then get back with me.

watch?v=MtyELRtCjyw

[theman77777777232]

"david blaine hypothesis. what could be behind it... whooo, whooo, whooo, scooby do. lol."

Do you think that David Blaine is doing real magic or something? You do know it's all fake, right? I have debunked just about all his tricks. Please stop thinking that human beings are divine. He will not come out of his grave after 3 days.

You are a very odd individual indeed. Going to such great lengths to ask Blaine's followers if he's divine. And then you speak on a video you haven't watched yet. lol

[ooglebydoogleby]

ime so normal compared to you and your miracle babies. what next the miracle of a flying bird or a fish that can breath under water.  stop seing miracles where there are none grow up.

[theman77777777232]

"That's the saddest part of all is that even with video technology, make-up, special fx, etc. etc. PPL are still willing to believe it's real."

Give me your hypothesis again on how this was faked Razua. Because I'd love to tell you what they'd have to go through to strap a robotic baby to a fake umbilical cord running out a woman's vagina in front of thousands of people.

Are you implying the baby's fake?

[theman77777777232]

Don't just mumble stupid crap, tell me HOW. Name a trick by Criss Angel and I'll direct you to someone refuting it. Want to know how he walked on water? walked through a glass window? flew from building to building?

HOW did they assemble "Instant Baby Delivery". Tell me something I haven't heard yet.

[theman77777777232]

"the real miracle is that given the evidence showing the clearly fraudulent basis to all miracle's that have been investigated people are still willing to believe in them."

Please direct me to the investigations and refutations that you speak of. Thanks. (Make sure they are related to TB Joshua, not Peter Popoff.)