Very nice kata, my compliments for expressing the 'art-form' that underlies Sai training! Its nice to see a demonstration of sai kata that expresses the fluid-complexities, rather than the robotic straight line thrusts, blunt strikes, blocks, and what I call, Frankenstein footwork; that may very well be applicable, if your body mass is that of Frankenstien! Chatanyara Sai!
@jdlhnew If you think the study of martial culture is only an art, this would be your foundational misunderstanding. It is 100% science. Learning to gain an advantage on an attack is nothing but physics and geometry. Your inability to listen to what I am saying simply shows you are not really interested in learning how to use the weapon. You want to practice it to your own desire, which is fine. but you'll never really learn anything about it without learning the history behind it. Have fun
@jdlhnew You are right...seriously. Playing with the sai is absolutely OK. I hope you have fun with them. But there is a difference between playing pretend and actually knowing what you're doing.
As far as not making waves, I think the use of the term Taoism as a descriptor for this is misplaced. All ancient Asian religions: Hindu, Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Shinto have attributes that I think you are associating incorrectly. It is simply the Asian culture that tends to preserve tradition
Taoist phil.? What does that have to do with anything? Do you know what a taoist is? Ur argument makes no sense.
A good analogy for u is why do we learn to do math when we have calculators? You have to learn the fundamentals and the "why" of it in order to appreciate it and then the evolve it.
Picking up sai and trying to figure out "new" and "innovative" techniques without mastering its true intention FIRST is like trying to make a calculator more efficient without knowing how to add.
@robertmrivers Now, do you actually want to learn something from traditionalists who are experts in the foundational teachings of the weapon so that you can THEN evolve it or do you want to sit there and pretend you already know it all. 99% choose the latter and become expert commentators on youtube. 1% choose the former and educate themselves to become actual experts. Your choice. Good Luck
So does this kata require 3 sai's or just two because it looked like you are suppose to throw one sai and get another from your belt if anyone can let me know that would be great
It is unfortunate to see so many people commenting on youtube with insults or condescending critiques of one's technique. Of course there will always be mistakes to correct, but I believe it is one's Sensei's job to correct these mistakes when the Karateka is ready, mentally and physically. In other words, dont listen to all the haters on youtube, just continue on the path your are on, it seems to be working very well for you.
This version of Chatanyara Sho is substantially different different than the version I know. It is still more or less the same, but there are a few big differences. And a good first sai kata is Gai Pa no Sai.
The origins are certain...go to Okinawa and ask someone instead of spewing the same uneducated rhetoric that everyone else who has an uneducated opinion offers on youtube. How do you know the traditions are inefficient? You don't know its origins so what is your professional background that would lead us to believe you know what you are talking about? The use of the sai is not constantly evolving because it is a weapon used at a specific time with a specific weapon.
This is not MMA. This is not JKD. We do not practice something for two weeks and then decide we can do it better and change everything. Not respecting what was developed in the past and only being concerned with YOUR interpretation says a lot about your personality. You are as smart as you'll ever get.
What i like about this is the way the sai can be twisted around on the hands. Its like an optical illusion. I havent had the opportunity to work with these yet. Still working on nunchuku.
Sai are use to counter sword. it's sure it is not a dagger. I've seen a interesting documentary about kobudo. I have a interesting video in my favorite who explain history of karate and kobudo.
"stupid wat he has to remember sai is a farming tool rice cuttting stickle for cutiing down rice the edges of the sai then would have very sharp he holds them by the blade bit stupid"
These are sai! Not daggers! Sai are meant to be blunt, as they are not aimed at doing nay major damage. Anyway, they dont actually come from the Japanese farming tradition. to be precise, they originated in china, as a weapon to scare or intimidate, not harm.
every thing else seems right,the only part I would reconsider is that it was employed for intimidation purposes since in ancient times usually situations called for due or die outcomes
stupid wat he has to remember sai is a farming tool rice cuttting stickle for cutiing down rice the edges of the sai then would have very sharp he holds them by the blade bit stupid
Are you thinking of Kama? Sai are more of a "fork" shape, none of the batons are bladed, although the ends tend to be sharply pointed. You're unlikely to get cut unless you stabbed and end into yourself ^^
Maybe his opponent is a bo? He steps a away (to the right) and hit him on the head with the sai. The he stabs the eyes out with the other? I'm not sure but it must be a block and the opponent must come very close...
Is this Chantanyara No Sai Sho? W00t! Because I know only 'Chantanyara no Sai'. :P Is there a Dai too? And does Dai pretty look much the same as Tsukenshitahaku?
Very beautiful technique, and I respect that you are going for calm and serenity as opposed to intensity and ferocity. Not my personal style choice, but different strokes for different folks. Still, beautiful kata.
Technique breeds speed. Speed breeds power. You need to work your wrist action and stop moving the body after the sai combo. But rather the body moves with the sai.
BTW, next tape throw the sai at the camera!! 8-) Keep training!
Defenitevely, also failing to lock the hips in the correct moments. Nothing that extra practice can fix...sugestion look at what the competition is doing specially at the tournaments and what the judges are looking for.
Yes and proud of it.Tournaments and by that official karate organizations tournaments not the open kinds,is by what as a concensous we rule ourselves to be true essence of karate and kobudo other wise we might as well be using kungfu patterns and call them karate
i think that the isshin ryu pratice chatanyara no dai, this is sho. we also practice the dai version its about 60 % the same as the isshin version. the isshin version is also very nice
Isshin ryu isn't that not a real karate style but a modern ecclectic version created by shimabukuru. Yes I know that the okinawan goverment reconizes it as a ryukyu style, but still they don't follow the same karate doctrine as all the other karate style...Your stances are too high for karate and I don't meant motobu-dachi which is veryly distentivelly applied
if you want to start that this isnt a real styl eand bring up the high stances, find me where there are low stances. gigo funakoshi changed the kata, stances, and some of the moves. in most traditional karate, there are no really low stances like you see now
you got me there!that's true traditional okinawan karate has no deep low stances like the japanese style.Still there has been controversy over the origins of isshinryu mostly coming from the older masters of the traditonal styles i.e.goju,shorin,uechi ryu,which have said that in the creation of isshinryu the true essence of karate was not taken into consideration,I guess since shimabukuru never took off from another style and just borrow ideas from here and there
Japan didn't even acknowledge kobudo until Matayoshi Shinko performed it for the Emperor in 1915 on the same stage that Funakoshi Gichin performed karate. Both martial arts were not known on the main archipelago before that, so training from Japan can be a little different than from Okinawa, but if you call it "Ryukyu", you are referring to Okinawa!
thank you, the reason why my face is kind = the first 10 years of training, i did it fierce with much outgoing intensitie. now i train for peace of mind. this means, there must be now disturbants in your mind whatever the circumstances. my teacher always say, you must do your kata with muga mushin.
I don't know this kata, but your moves were extremely crisp (beautiful!). However, your face was kind during your kata. In your mind you are supposed to be killing people during these exercises!! Turn the intensity up a few notches and don't be shy about your kiai, either ;) Regardless, I am impressed with your neatness!
I don't know why but if you make do this by an Asian, I am sure I would be much more conviced ...
solidus0101 10 months ago
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wdbrierley 11 months ago
Very nice kata, my compliments for expressing the 'art-form' that underlies Sai training! Its nice to see a demonstration of sai kata that expresses the fluid-complexities, rather than the robotic straight line thrusts, blunt strikes, blocks, and what I call, Frankenstein footwork; that may very well be applicable, if your body mass is that of Frankenstien! Chatanyara Sai!
SensieSanzashi 1 year ago
@jdlhnew If you think the study of martial culture is only an art, this would be your foundational misunderstanding. It is 100% science. Learning to gain an advantage on an attack is nothing but physics and geometry. Your inability to listen to what I am saying simply shows you are not really interested in learning how to use the weapon. You want to practice it to your own desire, which is fine. but you'll never really learn anything about it without learning the history behind it. Have fun
robertmrivers 1 year ago
@jdlhnew You are right...seriously. Playing with the sai is absolutely OK. I hope you have fun with them. But there is a difference between playing pretend and actually knowing what you're doing.
As far as not making waves, I think the use of the term Taoism as a descriptor for this is misplaced. All ancient Asian religions: Hindu, Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Shinto have attributes that I think you are associating incorrectly. It is simply the Asian culture that tends to preserve tradition
robertmrivers 1 year ago
Taoist phil.? What does that have to do with anything? Do you know what a taoist is? Ur argument makes no sense.
A good analogy for u is why do we learn to do math when we have calculators? You have to learn the fundamentals and the "why" of it in order to appreciate it and then the evolve it.
Picking up sai and trying to figure out "new" and "innovative" techniques without mastering its true intention FIRST is like trying to make a calculator more efficient without knowing how to add.
robertmrivers 1 year ago
@robertmrivers Now, do you actually want to learn something from traditionalists who are experts in the foundational teachings of the weapon so that you can THEN evolve it or do you want to sit there and pretend you already know it all. 99% choose the latter and become expert commentators on youtube. 1% choose the former and educate themselves to become actual experts. Your choice. Good Luck
robertmrivers 1 year ago
@jdlhnew Well said
brokenhalo240 1 year ago
So does this kata require 3 sai's or just two because it looked like you are suppose to throw one sai and get another from your belt if anyone can let me know that would be great
zero9352 2 years ago
I just started ni cho zai kata... Kind of cool to see what it lays the groundwork for.
DrTranofEvil 2 years ago
Ossu. Great job!
It is unfortunate to see so many people commenting on youtube with insults or condescending critiques of one's technique. Of course there will always be mistakes to correct, but I believe it is one's Sensei's job to correct these mistakes when the Karateka is ready, mentally and physically. In other words, dont listen to all the haters on youtube, just continue on the path your are on, it seems to be working very well for you.
weztin 2 years ago
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TheMuscleboys 2 years ago
This version of Chatanyara Sho is substantially different different than the version I know. It is still more or less the same, but there are a few big differences. And a good first sai kata is Gai Pa no Sai.
Darklighter425 3 years ago
The origins are certain...go to Okinawa and ask someone instead of spewing the same uneducated rhetoric that everyone else who has an uneducated opinion offers on youtube. How do you know the traditions are inefficient? You don't know its origins so what is your professional background that would lead us to believe you know what you are talking about? The use of the sai is not constantly evolving because it is a weapon used at a specific time with a specific weapon.
robertmrivers 3 years ago 2
This is not MMA. This is not JKD. We do not practice something for two weeks and then decide we can do it better and change everything. Not respecting what was developed in the past and only being concerned with YOUR interpretation says a lot about your personality. You are as smart as you'll ever get.
robertmrivers 3 years ago 2
What i like about this is the way the sai can be twisted around on the hands. Its like an optical illusion. I havent had the opportunity to work with these yet. Still working on nunchuku.
snozdog 3 years ago
This looks nothing like our chatan yara
jatrungkrabat 3 years ago
Can anyone please reply to me and tell me if this is the first sai kata I should learn? If not what is?
MattNinja2 3 years ago
Matt. No mate. I suggest you do Kyan no Sai as your first kata. Enjoy your training. Kurt 4th dan Okinawa Shorin-ryu
shorinryuAust 3 years ago
we do this kata, but at the end you throw the sai. i dont know if anyone else learned it like this
withkarateillkickyou 3 years ago
Sai are use to counter sword. it's sure it is not a dagger. I've seen a interesting documentary about kobudo. I have a interesting video in my favorite who explain history of karate and kobudo.
justeborris 4 years ago
Sword brakers
lobonegro4 3 years ago
What do you mean?
"stupid wat he has to remember sai is a farming tool rice cuttting stickle for cutiing down rice the edges of the sai then would have very sharp he holds them by the blade bit stupid"
These are sai! Not daggers! Sai are meant to be blunt, as they are not aimed at doing nay major damage. Anyway, they dont actually come from the Japanese farming tradition. to be precise, they originated in china, as a weapon to scare or intimidate, not harm.
warhammermatt 4 years ago
every thing else seems right,the only part I would reconsider is that it was employed for intimidation purposes since in ancient times usually situations called for due or die outcomes
lobonegro4 3 years ago
stupid wat he has to remember sai is a farming tool rice cuttting stickle for cutiing down rice the edges of the sai then would have very sharp he holds them by the blade bit stupid
natfox100 4 years ago
Are you thinking of Kama? Sai are more of a "fork" shape, none of the batons are bladed, although the ends tend to be sharply pointed. You're unlikely to get cut unless you stabbed and end into yourself ^^
LindenRyuujin 4 years ago
huh? The sai was the top end of a fork (fish spear).
Pecherin72 4 years ago
you're a dumbass that obviously has no clue what you're talking about
JRX81 4 years ago
i hate big fat while teachers that cant even defend them selfs in real situations
boeyaka 4 years ago
???????? ben je altijd zo?
kaifinn 4 years ago
So comforting to spew your frustrations from behind the safety of a monitor.
As master Yoda says "hate leads to the Dark Side" :-p
KaelNL 2 years ago 2
stupid he has rto remeber even tho those edges ar blunt samuris adn farmers wernt he holds it by the blade not smart
natfox100 4 years ago
the edges of the sai where never sharpe. only the point. also, this is not a samurai weapon.
kaifinn 4 years ago
I was curious as to what the move was where you thrust one sai through the upright one. What is the purpose for that movement.
mikeskinner0815 4 years ago
Maybe his opponent is a bo? He steps a away (to the right) and hit him on the head with the sai. The he stabs the eyes out with the other? I'm not sure but it must be a block and the opponent must come very close...
Diablo15NL 4 years ago
Is this Chantanyara No Sai Sho? W00t! Because I know only 'Chantanyara no Sai'. :P Is there a Dai too? And does Dai pretty look much the same as Tsukenshitahaku?
By the way, beautyful!
Diablo15NL 4 years ago
yse there is a dai version it is somewhat simulair to tsukenshita haku. it starts with one sai in the obi
kaifinn 4 years ago
Very beautiful technique, and I respect that you are going for calm and serenity as opposed to intensity and ferocity. Not my personal style choice, but different strokes for different folks. Still, beautiful kata.
Dovieandi23 4 years ago
Technique breeds speed. Speed breeds power. You need to work your wrist action and stop moving the body after the sai combo. But rather the body moves with the sai.
BTW, next tape throw the sai at the camera!! 8-) Keep training!
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
You need to slow down your movements a bit. You are losing a lot of power at the speed you are going at.
zeHoboCop 4 years ago
Defenitevely, also failing to lock the hips in the correct moments. Nothing that extra practice can fix...sugestion look at what the competition is doing specially at the tournaments and what the judges are looking for.
lobonegro4 4 years ago
what has budo to do with judges and tournaments. you must be american.
kaifinn 4 years ago 6
lol lol lol,thats true
AncestralGuardian 3 years ago
Yes and proud of it.Tournaments and by that official karate organizations tournaments not the open kinds,is by what as a concensous we rule ourselves to be true essence of karate and kobudo other wise we might as well be using kungfu patterns and call them karate
lobonegro4 3 years ago
Being a Isshinryu karateka,we practice chatanyara no sai,but that is different than what you performed,anyway good kata with nice movements.
isshinryuindia 4 years ago
i think that the isshin ryu pratice chatanyara no dai, this is sho. we also practice the dai version its about 60 % the same as the isshin version. the isshin version is also very nice
kaifinn 4 years ago
Isshin ryu isn't that not a real karate style but a modern ecclectic version created by shimabukuru. Yes I know that the okinawan goverment reconizes it as a ryukyu style, but still they don't follow the same karate doctrine as all the other karate style...Your stances are too high for karate and I don't meant motobu-dachi which is veryly distentivelly applied
lobonegro4 4 years ago
if you want to start that this isnt a real styl eand bring up the high stances, find me where there are low stances. gigo funakoshi changed the kata, stances, and some of the moves. in most traditional karate, there are no really low stances like you see now
withkarateillkickyou 3 years ago
you got me there!that's true traditional okinawan karate has no deep low stances like the japanese style.Still there has been controversy over the origins of isshinryu mostly coming from the older masters of the traditonal styles i.e.goju,shorin,uechi ryu,which have said that in the creation of isshinryu the true essence of karate was not taken into consideration,I guess since shimabukuru never took off from another style and just borrow ideas from here and there
lobonegro4 3 years ago
This is very nice, a good reference for others, well done! What lineage kobudo is this kata from?
hanzabass 4 years ago
this is ryukyu kobudo. wich is very much invluenced by japanese teachers. teachers like sakagami sensei
kaifinn 4 years ago
Japan didn't even acknowledge kobudo until Matayoshi Shinko performed it for the Emperor in 1915 on the same stage that Funakoshi Gichin performed karate. Both martial arts were not known on the main archipelago before that, so training from Japan can be a little different than from Okinawa, but if you call it "Ryukyu", you are referring to Okinawa!
hempev 4 years ago
impresive!! i just love the sai's and your kata, i have been using them for the past 4 years and i just love the sais
swantex 4 years ago
Beautiful kata. I find katas involving the sai to be difficult. This is very clean!
victhemailman 4 years ago
Very Nice!!!
fplev 4 years ago
thank you, the reason why my face is kind = the first 10 years of training, i did it fierce with much outgoing intensitie. now i train for peace of mind. this means, there must be now disturbants in your mind whatever the circumstances. my teacher always say, you must do your kata with muga mushin.
kaifinn 4 years ago
I don't know this kata, but your moves were extremely crisp (beautiful!). However, your face was kind during your kata. In your mind you are supposed to be killing people during these exercises!! Turn the intensity up a few notches and don't be shy about your kiai, either ;) Regardless, I am impressed with your neatness!
essentrik1 4 years ago