There are always those of any demographic group that you are a member of that you would just as soon not be associated with, sometimes they are even family :) I would say that on a very personable level atheists are in desperate need of major PR overhaul, we often come off as condescending assholes that I'm ashamed to be associated with, while Christians often come across as extremely likable and humble. I guess we need more likable atheists, like you :), for public relations. Thanks and Peace
I agree with you except where you seem to think that all of his subscribers agree with him or are just like him. Altho i dont subscribe to TAA, I do subscribe to some channels that I simply want to keep an eye on and see what outrageous thing they will do next. Also im sure if I checked (which I probably won't) I could find a few channels that I mean't to unsubscribe but never got around to.
Wow, ok..I wasn't criticizing the generalization as much as as I was trying to point out that his loyal following might not be as large as one might guess by the number of subscribers. Maybe it didnt translate well.
I got the idea that you feel such "ignorance" towards others is bad way of putting a point across.
How about you look at how the religious idiots on here portray atheism and how ignorant they actually are.
You have to have a backbone in situations like this, Pat Condell and TAA certainly have such things, you can't be all petty and respectfull when the opposition are anything but.
I'm a sub to the TAA and I'm not an asshole, thankyou. I'm sure many others would agree.
That was an ignorant video. That's like saying Pat Condell only has thousands of subscribers because of his "rudeness" and how he puts the message across. No, he has thousands because he's a voice that actually makes a difference on YT. In this case, religious idiots on YT are fruitfully ignorant and loud, in which case we atheists need someone just as loud to counter them. TAA is similar. No offence but a quiet voice like you won't help that cause.
Yeah what was that about not making sweeping statements about people? So all TAA's subscribers are sensationalist assholes who need to latch onto someone huh?
I've personally never been able to make it all the way through a single one of TAA's videos (I've tried maybe 4 times). But I think that people subscribe to him, not to be asses, but because many people who are atheists feel hurt by religion, and in some sense, taking an active stance against it is therapeutic, and addresses that wound. This issue will have to be addressed before people are comfortable enough to stay calm in the face of ideas that have oppressed them for 10, 20, or 40 years.
I don't think his anger or what one might call obnoxiousness actually cancels out his message. I mean, as Hitchens frequently proves, you don't need to be nice to be right.
There is room for both approaches. The good cop/bad cop dynamic of atheistic discussion is explored quite well in part of the Richard Dawkins/Larry Krause conversation.
um i dont think thats a "claim of authority" he said what he THINKS atheists SHOULD do. its more of an opinion right? whats your deal though i havent checked out your videos are you an atheist? im not judging you, i think you are very pretty and have a message you want to get across in this video, but its also not right to call everyone that subscribes to the amazing atheists videos as lackies. thats a little bit of a generalization.
TAA is a neccessary force trash the respect shield of the religious. We're not followers of TAA we just agree with most of what he says and find it entertaining when he rips religious idiots apart. He's not a cult leader but he's a funny guy and makes good points backed up with a foreign word to the religious...Evidence. Religion deserves no respect so...Fuck them!!
The reason why I'm subcribed to TJ is that he's quite straight forward and I like to analyse other Atheists and hear what they have to say.
Such as yourself, I think there are many ways to represent Atheism, which in the first place wouldn't even be needed if Theists would just lay off our case.
We have to counter with tedious logical falacies within their religion that it makes our way of expressions more frustrated.
Atheism is in no way connected to natural sciences. It is very compatible, but not connected.
The antithesis to atheism is not creationism, but theism. Creationism is just a symptom of theism, and as Dawkins putit, they give the fundamentalists a safe environment to act in.
So while we should indeed join shoulders to combat antiintellectualism and fundamentalism in all it´s forms, we should do so as educated people, and at the same time keep calling the theists on their irratonal believes.
TAA might be over the top and his style of delivering the message is not one I would have chosen myself, but he sitll raised a very valid point: Theistic "evolutionists" (which is a stupid name, since there is no "evolutionism") are still theists. The fact that they accept the natural science, and often even practice them, as Don Exodus would be an example for, does not mean that they have any more validity in their religious believes than fundamentalists.
Look I like both you and TAA. TAA is not a cult leader. He's just more aggressive. There's going to people subscribed to anyone that are assholes, I'm sure some of your subscribers are assholes.
As far as I'm concerned, he has the same message as you and eddygoombah. He just expresses it in a different way. He's not in it for subscribers or fame, he's in it for the same reason you are. You just have different styles-vastly different.
If I may, FAFF. Looking for attention, no. This is a very open, intelligent young woman who uses the Tube as sort of a therapy session where she is just trying to connect to the world. I have never heard her talk down to anyone, even when she was hurt by them. She brings an open-hearted, honest view of Freethinking/Atheism to light that is sorely lacking on the Net. She never claims to have all the answers, and although she doesn't always see it, she is on the path of a true human being.
Please, isn't everyone on YouTube looking for attention? Be real, of course they are.
I have just recently came across TAA's videos, and as a result yours. I'm not an atheist, but I see his videos as entertainment. That's it. Entertainment. I think you and others are taking YouTube waaayyy to serious. Just my 2cents worth.
What is the deal with atheists trying to imply that we have some type of movement. The only thing that connects atheists is the answer to one question. Not everyone is a scientist or a philospher, nor is everyone cheerful and happy. I don't like TJ's style, but to imply that he has no content in his videos is absurd. I dislike the fact that most his videos are unscripted and long, but he is popular for a reason. Don't worry about what he says, no one is confusing your message with his.
"What is the deal with atheists trying to imply that we have some type of movement."
I don't know. I listen to TJ sometimes, yet I don't agree with a lot of his comments and hateful tone. Like most people I find enjoyment out of listening to them, but I usually disagree with them and sometimes to a great degree. There's still very good points TJ makes nonetheless. It's just not good to have so much attention on cussing out people instead of ruthlessly savaging assanine ideas.
She's right. I mean I like atheist outrage entertainment sometimes, but anger and revenge and seeking after fairness is not going to help the situation in the long run. I'm not talking about justified ridicule. From my experience that did have a big effect on me when I was losing my faith. But what was distastful about listening to many atheists was the bitterness and anger that they didn't feel like they should control.
It's you're choice but don't complain when theists call atheists asses.
I listened for two minutes then stopped. Okay. TJ's "claim to authority" is justified. He's right to speak on behalf of all atheists when he says "we atheists" should not listen to anything theistic evolutionists have to say. And I say that as a deistic (somewhat agnostic) evolutionist, which is pretty close.
YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM. DonExodus made claims he could not prove. He abandons the integrity he shows as a scientist when it comes to history. He deserved an angry response.
"Okay. TJ's "claim to authority" is justified. He's right to speak on behalf of all atheists when he says "we atheists" should not listen to anything theistic evolutionists have to say."
This suprises me. DonExodus doesn't seem to want to argue about religion. He seems to keep with fact a lot. What dialogue are you referring to?
DE, in the course of refuting creationism, will mention he's Christian. And then towards the end of his series makes two videos explaining how evolution and Jesus being God can co-exist.
If he JUST wanted disprove creationism, we'd never hear a peep on his religion. And he completely abandons scientific skepticism and inquiry in determining the truth about how the Gospels were created.
"DE, in the course of refuting creationism, will mention he's Christian. And then towards the end of his series makes two videos explaining how evolution and Jesus being God can co-exist."
So? It only makes his point stronger that evolution is not an atheistic belief. Besides those two videos he hasn't really made much on the beliefs subject nor does he try to persuade anyone about his beliefs. He obviously wants to separate his beliefs from reality. Science vs. faith.
So? His war is against creationists absurdities not promoting religion.
"What's at stake here is not the public believing in evolution, but the integrity and rationality of people."
Ha. I could find a lot of atheists on you tube who lack some kind of credibility in my books. But as long as they don't make a big issue about the falsehood, I don't have a big problem.
There's a difference between unintentionally being in error and indulging in wishful thinking. DE is the latter. He isn't genuinely fooled into believing Jesus is God. The skepticism and rational inquiry he demonstrates as a scientist is deliberately set aside in his methods of providing proof Jesus is God.
Yes, you can fool a child, but DE is just fooling himself and knows it. Lying to yourself doesn't make it okay to lie to others.
"There's a difference between unintentionally being in error and indulging in wishful thinking."
Yes and no. By virtue of believing fairy tales as an intellegent person he is fooling himself. But, you're making the same fallacy many Christian apologists do. They assume people are "willfully" rejecting their view because obviously God has given enough evidence to people. It's odd that DE believes what he believes because your worldview dictates an accusation of down right lying without evidence.
"DE is a liar. Period. He claims Jesus is God. His reasons are blatantly fallacious. He's a liar."
Furthermore, saying DE is a liar is no different than fundamental Christians saying you must be evil because you don't believe in God. If you can't provide evidence that he is lying, outside of your worldview, then it is bigotry. Sometimes honest people, not claiming DE is completely honest, come to radically different conclusions but some make huge errors in reasoning.
QUOTE: "If you can't provide evidence that he is lying, outside of your worldview, then it is bigotry... Sometimes honest people... make huge errors in reasoning."
DE is well armed with the process of scientific inquiry and analysis. He didn't make a "huge error". He knew the belief he wanted and went for it.
For example, he said Paul said that 500 people saw Jesus resurrect who can be approached. But DE has no proof it wasn't interpolated in decades or centuries later.
"DE is well armed with the process of scientific inquiry and analysis. He didn't make a "huge error". He knew the belief he wanted and went for it."
Again you make an empty claim and back it up with the assumption that you are correct. Lack of externatl evidence of the 500 witnesses is not evidence that it didn't happen.
DE is inconsistent with his analysis of the bible but that doesn't automatically make him a liar. I wasn't a liar when I believed in inconsistent Christian beliefs.
QUOTE: "I wasn't a liar when I believed in inconsistent Christian beliefs."
I was a Christian for three years. I know what it's like.
The general rule is if you don't have a conclusive proof for something, you remain agnostic on it, and it's our responsibility to admit we could be wrong about our bias towards something.
Since DE skips that, he's lying. And I was a liar too. Religious people lie to themselves, and thus think it's okay to lie to others since they were okay with it.
"I was a Christian for three years. I know what it's like."
Yea, I was a Christian for much longer than that but it's still irrelavent. Lying implies you know something is false. I didn't know my beliefs were false until I started disbelieving them. I would grant that there is intellectual dishonesty, but I don't call that lying. I don't want to argue semantics, but lying carries a stronger conotation of being mallacious. A lot of people are dishonest to themselves and don't know it.
QUOTE: "Lack of externatl evidence of the 500 witnesses is not evidence that it didn't happen."
But that's the thing. DE is claiming that Paul's letter IS evidence that it did happen.
This is a problem that happens among certain scientists. These people know how to set up an experiment with a hypothesis and null hypothesis. DE is deliberately stupifying himself to indulge his fantasies.
Our unwarranted respectfulness towards such behavior hurts us. We have to confront it.
"DE is claiming that Paul's letter IS evidence that it did happen."
I never heard him argue for the truth of the Bible, but why shouldn't Paul be used as evidence for the resurrection? Would you call me a liar when I used to believe the cosmological argument proved God's existence? You're making unfair judgements on people's motives.
highwind8124: I think I understand what your coming from though. If we allow liberal Christianity off the hook than religion still lives and irrationality isn't challenged. Further, Liberal Christians can't speak out against what is dangerous by religious fanatics.
But I think that is false. In fact people like DE mock the Bible and many Christians so much it seems that they are atheist at first glance. People will always find ways to be irrational but the goal is to stop the dangerous kind.
DE acknowledges that Genesis is bullshit. Adam and Eve never happened, and neither did Noah's flood. But for him, somewhere along this bullshit story, it suddenly becomes true, and the Jews are the chosen people after all and people will go to hell and Jesus is God. That's insane.
He says homosexuality "evolved" and the NT is against it. DE's full of shit. The only record we have of Jesus is the Gospels, and he's an asshole in those books. He doesn't predict anything. I could go on.
"I don't even know what DE says about hell. probably not the same hell as fundies would describe."
He says people will have a choice at the end to accept Jesus or not. He may have a liberal view of hell, but nonetheless, it's still what it is.
Saying Jesus of the Bible is God has consequences. This claim should not be taken lightly.
Knowing evolution is a justified opportunity to leave Christianity, but DE simply helps Christians to keep their faith with BS, making a resistant strain.
"Knowing evolution is a justified opportunity to leave Christianity, but DE simply helps Christians to keep their faith with BS, making a resistant strain."
Half a rational person is better than no rational person. I listened to people trying to defend the bible and evolution when I was a Christian and it didn't stop me from losing faith. Using evolution to deconvert people is what makes half the U.S. reject it. So many people think Evolution excludes belief, which it doesn't.
highwind8124: It sounds like you've been listening to the atheist fundamentalists, Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, when there are just as passionate and strong atheists who disagree with that kind of divisiveness that some of those tend to have.
You're right. We don't need DE. But for almost everything I've heard him advocate he is in line with good reasoning. Furthermore, you might as well hate all politicians since they have to be religious to get ellected. But despite that they can be good.
QUOTE: "Furthermore, you might as well hate all politicians since they have to be religious to get ellected."
On that topic, I do hate all politicians. I'm forced to vote for the slightly lesser of two evils constantly. Their religious claims and the nature of them is just icing on the cake, one more reason I dislike them. Everyone should look at politicians with more cynicism.
I don't like most politicians either, but I think it's more of the nature of the profession that is flawed and not just the people.
You seem to hate a lot of people. 98% of the world who believe in God maybe?
DE get's attacked all the time on his videos. He just talks about evolution and someone is like why are you a Christian. Wtf do you expect him to do at least once in a while? DE channel is not a religion channel.
QUOTE: "You seem to hate a lot of people. 98% of the world who believe in God maybe?"
I'm actually an agnostic deist. Some atheists would be quite angry at me. My problem isn't with those who privately wonder with what's out there. My problem is that DE is far too intelligent to believe in his incredibly absurd conclusions, that the Bible started out being fake but became real at some point in its story. I could point out many obvious contradictions. I'll explain more in my next post.
There's no point in deceiving people that evolution means you can't have religious belief in order to propogate nonbelief. Fundamental Christians already know that evolution contradicts the Bible. DE isn't going to convince them otherwise.
"Fundamental Christians already know that evolution contradicts the Bible. DE isn't going to convince them otherwise."
When Galileo found scientific proof the Earth revolved around the Sun, the church persecuted him at first. But over time, they found a way to mesh the Bible with that discovery.
You can't allow this to continue. When I say we don't need more Catholics, I'm not saying DE is one. I'm saying that like applying antibiotics to bacteria, you're breeding a resistant strain.
highwind8124: Even if you consider every religious believer a criminal for that belief most of them should still be treated with some respect (not kent hovind et al...). Why? Because they are a victim to themselves. You can't blame a child for being brainwashed into a fear based system that would cost them everthing to leave it and are deceived into thinking life is worthless without Jesus. I was their and that's why It took me a while to leave the faith even though I was rational and doubted.
There are some very prominent scientists who are so intelligent, so skeptical and analytical, prestigious people who then claim to be Christian or Muslim or whatever.
It's a huge problem, and hugely irresponsible. These people are overpowered with the mental faculties to test their beliefs to see if they're true. Their refusal to scrutinize them, and their ignoring the fallacies, is dishonest.
Like Sam Harris said, it's scary that a nuclear scientist can still believe in the 72 virgins.
highwind8124: Look, I understand what you're saying. But I think evolution is innately apposed to fundamentalism. It's not like a small deal to cover up. Some people like at wheaten college try to make it work, but it there are very few that do and it is a big mental hoop even for fundamentalists. So I'd rather people become liberal Christians then stay fundamentalists. Also, if atheists are the only ones speaking out for evolution it becomes a religion topic instead of science.
There are hundreds of millions of Christians who believe in evolution since the Catholic church has accepted it. So no, it clearly isn't a mental hoop for them.
Highwind8124: But listen. I don't think you need to promote DE to get something out of it and I think he causes at least as much good as his possible damage. But I think we need to encourage Christians to at least not be fanatics and not propogate their beliefs as if they can prove them. It doesn't stop there, but as Agnosticman77 said if there were no fundamentalists he wouldn't be doing any videos. But you are right. We can't allow irrationality to slip in as if condoned by nonbelievers.
The Amish are fundamentalists. What problem have they caused Agnosticman77? Moderates can be just as dangerous, because their more frivolous interpretation still remains unjustified, and still acted upon.
highwind8124: I admit I haven't been watching the fewd go on with these two individuals and I apologize if I assume something incorrectly between the situation. I honestly haven't seen DE say anything crazy but on some comments and a couple of videos just saying what he believes. I think I remember him saying that their was a chariot wheel found on the bottom of the Red sea or something like that.
highwind8124: Listen, I'm not saying tj should stop making his videos. In fact ridicule and hate is effective in motivating people to make changes and think about things that are importnat. I find him enjoyable at times. Maybe extremism on the other end of things is needed to balance the pendulum. But offends me when I see progress in Christians who think critically, although are still inconsistent, and anti-theists throw them off as lying evil bastards. This slows progress and is evil in IMHO.
"But offends me when I see progress in Christians who think critically, although are still inconsistent, and anti-theists throw them off as lying evil bastards."
You're compromising. You're grateful for partial progress that you want to overlook the remaining problem.
Even fundamentalists Christians are noble at times. I'm not saying they're pure evil. I'm saying belief in evolution is not the end goal, but rather rationality and honesty. DE disarmed his. We don't need more Catholics.
"You're compromising. You're grateful for partial progress that you want to overlook the remaining problem."
No I'm not. It's not a compromise to have respect for an opponent. It is foolish to try to sway your apponent and bash their character at the same time even if he was a so-called liar.
"DE disarmed his. We don't need more Catholics."
How is DE a Catholic? I think he would be excommunicated for blasphemy if DE was a Catholic. Christians I've seen don't think DE is Christian.
highwind8124: In conclusion, I rather see more Christians criticizing other Christians then more atheists criticizing Christians. Who do you think Christians are likely to listen to more? If Christians at least get other Christians to think for themselves then there is a better chance they will abandon their beliefs altogether. In fact, this actually happened to me when I learned to critically defend the bible; it eventually made me see it as false by those same standards of inquiry.
"And he completely abandons scientific skepticism and inquiry in determining the truth about how the Gospels were created."
I have yet to see a video of him trying to prove the gospels are reliable. However, even the leader of the infidels website says it is not unreasonable for a theist to believe the resurrection is true based on the historical evidence.
Nobody knows how the gospels were created. There's a difference between critical thinking and having the correct worldview.
I am very ignorant, but if you have the answers to how the gospels came about please give me the evidence we've all been waiting for! If what you mean by created is how they were composed, then we do have a good idea.
I have not seen one video where DonExodus tries to prove his beliefs. He even says he doesn't want to defend his beliefs and he even says he cannot prove any of them. He may defend himself against atheistic attack by saying he has reason to believe in what he believes. TJ is being an ass. Why not use a moderate Christian to slap in the fundies in the face? Fundamentalist atheism is junk. I rather listen to outraged guys like Agnosticman77.
"Why not use a moderate Christian to slap in the fundies in the face?"
Because evil does not need to be moderated. It needs to be flat out called what it is.
We don't need DE at all. At all, at all, at all. If his channel closed, I would be happy. If people want to learn about evolution, they can go learn about it from sources that don't blatantly preach that evolution and the Bible can co-exist.
highwind8124: "We don't need DE at all. At all, at all, at all. If his channel closed, I would be happy."
Fuck you. You are against free thought by wanting to get rid of people against your cause. I can find interesting and usuful stuff by the worst cultists or the hardest atheists. DE is nowhere near a religious propogader. And even if he was it would be a benefit if fundies turned liberal, which they probably wouldn't anyways. Let free thinkers figure out whats right or wrong.
I am not at all suggesting OTHERS close down his site. I'm just saying if DE himself took it all down, that would be fine.
QUOTE: "DE is nowhere near a religious propogader."
He's the rat you let in the door. You're overcome by temptation here. He's not stamping out religious lunacy, but merely breeding a more resistant strain.
If you don't call DE out on his lies, then you're giving a free pass to Catholics as well.
"If you don't call DE out on his lies, then you're giving a free pass to Catholics as well."
You think this is a sports game? Or you want to play like the religious with the Good vs. evil thing? I think your boy is more dangerous to society because he's breeding hate and bigotry against people who might not happen to be bigots themselves. Don't confuse fighting ideas with fighting people. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism regardless of which belief or nonbelief it is.
Fuck atheists who call themselves "free thinkers" by default. Yes I'm an agnostic (or atheist by some technical definitions). I wouldn't even champion myself as a free thinker because I realize how much human beings are subject to their perceptions and limited knowledge.
You know i think there is a reasonable explanation for his Videos... I mean hes a Venteran on youtube and right in the aim line... I bet he can get pissed off, and i think Youtube is like a vent to let out the goo of the religious stupidity, well ill spak for myself that sorround me and i bet around him too aswell... thats a point to consider too..
wow lol TAA isn't going to stop, either way you yourself are making a large claim for the people how have subscribed to him, i didn't subscribe to him because he was atheist nor because i want to latch to anyone (i am not athiest myself) i don't want to get into anyones face unless they are making a prejudice on "his supporters" either way my reason for subscribing was for the sole purpose of him having a point (the ideas, if kept vague are supportable) in about 1/4 of his videos.
who* (on previous post) either way i just wanted to point out that it was somewhat offensive that you put all the supporters on a same boat. For the most part he could be disaggreable but then again who is going to agree with with anyone 100% every single time or at all, personally never have, on the other hand, i take him for the single idea of thinking outside of the box and sometimes just because he challenges what i think and helps shape thoughts wether for (rarely) or against.
to conclude my rant. i just feel that although he comes on in a dictating type of way and maybe some buy it all. my Father always told me its not what you do (in this case what you hear) but what you become of it. And i don't believe everyone buys everything he says. maybe he just opens up multiple angles beyond what he presents even for the optimistic, maybe we take it a bit further proving why he's wrong, we are getting a peak into his perspective, hes pushing our buttons, and stirs up a conv
"i don't believe everyone buys everything he says."
Yes but people you listen to you influence you unless you apply complete critical thinking 100% of the time on everything they say. It's not like atheists follow dogma. It's that they can get emotionally charged to be haters and abandom some level of critical thinking in order to make religion look stupider and religions people more evil. While it's entirely true there are those people it's still propoganda to incite prejudices.
I do believe that is one worst complement ive heard in some time. I would rather that someone told me: You makes no sense at all, and your ugly! That would at least be an indication that the person despised me, and disagreed. But saying that a person is beutiful and makes no sense, you are miniatyrizing them in a condesending way. I think.
I just subbed to your channel, and I completely agree with your thoughts regarding TAA. I've never watched a complete video of his, because he's just too loud and obnoxious for me. I do like thunderfoot, even though he can be very condescending, at least he remains calm, and is obviously intelligent. I at least feel I may learn something from his videos.
I've only watched a few of your videos so far, but they've been entertaining, keep up the good work.
20,000 fans or 200,000 fans doesn't establish the validity of an argument. If the TAA guy is rude, crude and offensive, then it seems that he's on the atheist train to validate his use of rudeness, crudeness and offensiveness. The world is round. Not effing round, or mother-effing round. Just round (an oblate sphere). If TAA doesn't speak for you, then so be it. He's not the representative for YouTube atheists. Now, if he drags you down to his scatological level, it is your choice to go.
Agreed. But also subscribers don't mean drones but for the same reason people watch or read anything, information can be information. It's sad some people take things to heart. Some people are just entertaining like a Youtube George Costanza Atheist guy..
I definitely understand her message in this video that if anybody that has heard of the typical atheist stereotype of being mean, vile people were to go to TAA's channel and see any of his videos, that stereotype would be even more amplified. We should be setting good examples to battle those horrible stereotypes; not throwing gas on the fire so to speak. I don't look down upon those that are subscribed to TJ's channel tho. We just need a lot more positive images to combat the negative ones.
cant you just watch the video yourself? you're asking me to watch it over (i obviously watched it a week ago) and thats not something i really want to do. but if i find time later, fine. ill list 1, then ill list the 2nd, then ill list the 4th. r-tard
I just didn't see anything particularly unreasonable about her video and simply stating that there were contradictions doesn't stand up as a strong argument.
You know what's funny (odd, not haha) about TAA and the Capn? I generally agree with you - coming from an Evangelical background, I have sort of sworn off being an asshole.
However, I think that people like him (or JesusFreak, on the other side of the aisle) are really the ones who get the attention and mental effort of the general populous. They're effective because they are base - and while that may be unappealing to the intellectual, it is the reality of human social interaction.
What a great video, thank you for making this, and as a Muslim I welcome your message with open arms. I have subscribed to you and am willing to listen to you.
I've also chosen not to subscribe to TAA. He's entitled to his view, and obviously people share it, but I certainly don't, and I sometimes wonder if he just enjoys the fight with religion.
The "friendly atheists" have a point. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. However, I subscribe to TAA because his videos provide a healthy dose of philosophical anti-orthodoxy. He may be abrasive, but his videos are almost unique in that he challenges every moral, religious, and political human preconception. It would be a shame to miss out on such radically uncommon perspectives simply to keep your "virgin ears" from being offended.
I disagree with you frisbees. The way TJ does things is more upfront and his approach works. This is evident by the amount of subscribers he has and you can compare him to the bigger atheist names today and their methods. Whilst I like TJ's videos I don't have to agree with everything he says either, group atheism is a stupid notion, whether he promotes this IDK. However a Fundamentalist would just skip over a video with normal rational arguments, the emotion is what keeps his viewers watching.
Booyah its not that TAA's assholic approach works that gives him so many subscribers its that he is offensive in a Rush Limbaugh and Fox News way with how he goes about things. In other words he's not getting those subscribers because he's intelligent and people are taking in his message. He's getting those subscribers because he's a collosal asshole and people like to stand around and watch a train wreck like that.
TAA's direct method of approach is evidently more effective than the overtly respectful tiptoeing method, TAA basically replicates the forthright Dawkins&Hitchins approach (just with more swearing) and that approach does work, just look at how many books those two have sold.
I can't believe that some people unsubscribed to Don just because of one or two videos were he talked about his beliefs in God. I like to point out that I don't believe in God, Like many here on YT but Don was doing a great job, he always bin a nice guy, a smart guy and he never was in to putting people down, unlike TAA and VFX. Its a bad, if u ask me, that some, not all, atheist are becoming what they hate, religious radicals who want everyone to think like them.
But they're all assholes, TAA,Capnawesome,VFX(the biggest asshole in the history of assholeness, and a huge butt pirate),n Jezuzfreek who is a redneck,closet homosexual nazi he probably walks around with a hitler youth knife tucked safely in his bra.
I kinda like how he addresses theists.They get to believe in fairy tales n shit and live in a fantasy world and start wars and shit simply based on some bullshit belief is ridiculous.
Hey, great video. I had to have a quick look at one of TAA's video to see what the fuss was about and have to say that I don't find them as good as yours, PiroNiro's and the like. As an atheist, that it is not really my cup of tea, mainly because they seem to be a bit negative and not as entertaining, so will take your advice and not bother to subscribe. Anyway keep up the good work.
I am a Christian and have the exact same problem with guys like VFX and Jesus freak that you have with AA. I'm trying to prove that we are not all like them and some us don't care what you believe (sadly I cant make videos of my own yet) But your video was like watching a mirror image of myself, only if I was an Atheist and a girl.
uh-oh someone in the video is looking over your shoulder... probably a secret TAA fan or the tickle-monster
I like CapnOAwesome because his videos are actually somewhat entertaining.
I disagree... I'm going to be more of an asshole as a result of watching this :P but at least I don't waste time on some silly ass tangents like TJ. His theistic evolutionist diatribe is nothing but a big fat genetic fallacy. Just because someone you don't like says something that's true doesn't make it useless.
I'm not sure why you use the word 'authority' in relation to TAA arguing that we should reject theistic evolutionists. He lays out his reasons for this (and while I understand his point, I am not convinced). He didn't say, nor do I believe he even implied, that we should do it BECAUSE HE IS TAA. That's the impression I got from your response, and I don't think it's fair.
I don't think the loudest and most sensationalistic among us are best known.
wow, jelous much. i was a genius in third grade so what i thought id do was, i thought id punctuate like a third grader, cos punctuation is for the anally retentive. As well as cranial rectal extractions, I also offer sense of humour implants. This is a fan saying this. feel free to give me 6 thumbs down for honesty. and bad grammar. That and after the full stop must be grinding your OCD gears right now ill wager.
I value your commentary. However, our fight is not on an emotional ground (at least for us rationalists, maybe the rest of you can convince the religious on emotional grounds). but the foundation of many religious people is based on rational belief which is best corrupted by a combination of violent rational AND emotional attacks such as TAA gives. Don't be jealous of his views. You bring as much of a message to people as he does, don't slaughter the choir member please.
TAA says himself he is a sociopath, why in the world would you ask a sociopath man to be like a nice polite and civilized pretty woman like you ? This is kinda unrealistic to say "your entire personnality is wrong copy my standard and loose suscribers", it's not gonna happenning. Atheists should stop the intern drama and try to face people like Venomfangx.
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love....
It is abundantly obvious, when looking at the "atheist youtube community" that we are often very different. I personally, appreciate dignity, that is why I enjoy your videos and can't stomach TAA's. He is the atheist's Jerry Springer. It isn't my lack of religious belief that drives me, but my interest in truth and reason. Religion is just a casualty of this approach, for me. Nice video, thanks.
I find that TAA's videos depicts himself and portrays atheists in general as brutes.. His methods are unethical and are not particularly an ideal exemplar of a typical atheist.. Also, yes, i also believe that most people now only watch his videos based on his excessive amount of subscribers.. However, he does make some interesting and somewhat decent arguments..
Every group will have all sorts of characters. The christians got Geerup and the muslims got Snow3585. For every Atheist like TAA and CapnOAwesome, there's a Thunderf00t or a Danmill23. I think the reason TAA has so many subs is that, besides being Atheist, he can be funny and dramamtic at times, and in between all that he makes a lot of good points.
To be honest, I'll take TAA over a Brett Keane anyday!
This is the issue: We often assume quality and quantity are the same thing. The post youtube internet world values quantity (number of subscribers) over quality. How do we assess quality? That's a hard question to answer, but I view his stuff as purely entertainment. Miley Ray Cyrus is shit, but she is big business. Other examples: Britney Spears, Tila Tequila, Bill O'Reilly, Nascar.
I'm subscribed to TAA, not for the reasons that one might think though. TAA represents all of us Atheists, he is the asshole that resides deep within us that yearns to get out.
Nikki I think your message has far more substance than TJ's, keep up the good work there are people who can see the forest for the trees and find channels such as yours a breath of fresh air
You got a point there, i only watch him because he's one crazy mother who goes over-the-top all the time. And if= find that entertaining. I don't agree with everything he's saying tough
You know everyone's minds are going wild speculating as to why another girl was in your bed... After that ending no one even cares or can remember what you video was about... LOLZ
Just kidding, good video as usual and I do agree that Atheists need to act in a distinguished manner and not come of as preachy and fist shaking as fundy's do.
I've got to admit that I ocassionaly find TJ entertaining - sometimes his anger hits the right people. And sometimes even his "message" is quite good, one of his recent videos called "our generation" for example was spot-on.
But generally, I agree. TAA is an incredible douchebag with no respect for anyone, and with seemingly little regard for humans in general. He dances around, screams and insults like a hysteric clown suffering from manic depression, thinking that this makes him "relevant".
I do think that mocking religions has its purpose on youtube, however; one has to be very careful when employing that stance imo. I don't think TAA is very careful at times.
Trying to make all atheists look normal is like trying to make Islam look peaceful. While I agree with putting out a positive view of a group of people who are constantly stereotyped- covering up the 'sensationalist' punk-ass basement-dwelling side of the spectrum is impossible. They'll always be there, we just have to deal. If religious people have to be swayed with baked goods to open up to 'normal' atheists, it's just not worth it.
TAA is very self-centered, in a way pretty much like VFX. He represents the one side of the spectrum, while the silent ones are on the other side.
I subscribed to his channel, pretty much to see the forth an back between him and Yokeup, VFX, and others.
You are completely correct, the expression "atheist" might describe that we do not believe in a god or any supernatural, but it does in no way put us under one ideological umbrella with respect to other subjects, I guess.
When I first came to Youtube and began checking out atheism videos, TAA was one of the first I subscribed to. Ugh, since then, I have come to see how terrible and miserable his videos really are. While I must say that I am still subbed and watch his videos, I do not have the same fervor while watching. It's mainly just a "hey, what's this jackass have to say today? Who is arguing with and making an idiot of himself today?"
Your admission that "It is jus different" is quite right. The Amazing Atheist has his own style and there is a market for it (as you point out). You make really good videos though and provide a very soft, human, yet equally intelligent side to atheism.
A third strand of atheism videography would perhaps be the Thunderf00t and potholer54 variety: hard science, biting wit, and excellent teaching.
I've been subbed to TJ since his fifteenth video. It was funny to watch this big long-haired guy waving his middle finger and raging against the religion machine, so to speak. I think there's a bit of TJ in all of us if you're an atheist in this society, but he's not afraid to say what he thinks and he helped get atheism noticed on YouTube where someone might inadvertently learn something about evolution or whatever. It's been fun watching him. He's the Howard Stern of YouTube atheism. 5/5!
You are so confused. You post a video about mean arrogant Christians then post a video saying we need to be polite to the invisible friend crowd. In your face videos are what is needed against in your face religious arrogance.
I like both TAA and less "sensationalist" atheists like you. I personally would not like to meet a guy like TAA in everyday life, but his videos are entertaining and amusing. I enjoy the theatricality of TAA, even though I personally do not act like him.
There are always those of any demographic group that you are a member of that you would just as soon not be associated with, sometimes they are even family :) I would say that on a very personable level atheists are in desperate need of major PR overhaul, we often come off as condescending assholes that I'm ashamed to be associated with, while Christians often come across as extremely likable and humble. I guess we need more likable atheists, like you :), for public relations. Thanks and Peace
bullpcp 2 years ago
I agree with you except where you seem to think that all of his subscribers agree with him or are just like him. Altho i dont subscribe to TAA, I do subscribe to some channels that I simply want to keep an eye on and see what outrageous thing they will do next. Also im sure if I checked (which I probably won't) I could find a few channels that I mean't to unsubscribe but never got around to.
rhyfelur 2 years ago
read the description : )
frisbeesANDflipflops 2 years ago
Wow, ok..I wasn't criticizing the generalization as much as as I was trying to point out that his loyal following might not be as large as one might guess by the number of subscribers. Maybe it didnt translate well.
Did we just have our first fight?
Peace ;)
rhyfelur 2 years ago
And by "loyal following" I mean people that admire him or agree with him...not just follow him out of curiosity.
Btw, since we are fighting..I would just like to point out that playing Frisbee in Flipflops.....VERY dangerous!
Can we make up now?
rhyfelur 2 years ago
There are people on the religious side that are more in your face thanTJ. He helps to balance things out.
dveeant 2 years ago
I got the idea that you feel such "ignorance" towards others is bad way of putting a point across.
How about you look at how the religious idiots on here portray atheism and how ignorant they actually are.
You have to have a backbone in situations like this, Pat Condell and TAA certainly have such things, you can't be all petty and respectfull when the opposition are anything but.
I'm a sub to the TAA and I'm not an asshole, thankyou. I'm sure many others would agree.
Sorry for any offence.
tuce1241 2 years ago
That was an ignorant video. That's like saying Pat Condell only has thousands of subscribers because of his "rudeness" and how he puts the message across. No, he has thousands because he's a voice that actually makes a difference on YT. In this case, religious idiots on YT are fruitfully ignorant and loud, in which case we atheists need someone just as loud to counter them. TAA is similar. No offence but a quiet voice like you won't help that cause.
tuce1241 2 years ago
IMHO,
you are far too hot to be wasting your time trying to argue from a intellectual standpoint.
just be quiet and make sexy eyes at the camera and it's all good!
far too hot to debate!
commonsensrules 2 years ago
Does it make me gay if one of the first things I noticed was how her nails match her eyes and hat?
TAA is a douche, I prefer more logical than emotional / passionate arguements.
Skepnostic 2 years ago 2
Yeah what was that about not making sweeping statements about people? So all TAA's subscribers are sensationalist assholes who need to latch onto someone huh?
Whatever. At least TJ's entertaining.
justwayayayitaminute 2 years ago
I've personally never been able to make it all the way through a single one of TAA's videos (I've tried maybe 4 times). But I think that people subscribe to him, not to be asses, but because many people who are atheists feel hurt by religion, and in some sense, taking an active stance against it is therapeutic, and addresses that wound. This issue will have to be addressed before people are comfortable enough to stay calm in the face of ideas that have oppressed them for 10, 20, or 40 years.
angelwhite 2 years ago
I don't think his anger or what one might call obnoxiousness actually cancels out his message. I mean, as Hitchens frequently proves, you don't need to be nice to be right.
There is room for both approaches. The good cop/bad cop dynamic of atheistic discussion is explored quite well in part of the Richard Dawkins/Larry Krause conversation.
PurushaDesa 2 years ago 2
um i dont think thats a "claim of authority" he said what he THINKS atheists SHOULD do. its more of an opinion right? whats your deal though i havent checked out your videos are you an atheist? im not judging you, i think you are very pretty and have a message you want to get across in this video, but its also not right to call everyone that subscribes to the amazing atheists videos as lackies. thats a little bit of a generalization.
ivelostitall 2 years ago
TAA is a neccessary force trash the respect shield of the religious. We're not followers of TAA we just agree with most of what he says and find it entertaining when he rips religious idiots apart. He's not a cult leader but he's a funny guy and makes good points backed up with a foreign word to the religious...Evidence. Religion deserves no respect so...Fuck them!!
LotharioCasanova 2 years ago
Damn!!!
SlashIStheShit 3 years ago
The reason why I'm subcribed to TJ is that he's quite straight forward and I like to analyse other Atheists and hear what they have to say.
Such as yourself, I think there are many ways to represent Atheism, which in the first place wouldn't even be needed if Theists would just lay off our case.
We have to counter with tedious logical falacies within their religion that it makes our way of expressions more frustrated.
I too get frustrated by Theists a lot of times.
Drynae 3 years ago
Atheism is in no way connected to natural sciences. It is very compatible, but not connected.
The antithesis to atheism is not creationism, but theism. Creationism is just a symptom of theism, and as Dawkins putit, they give the fundamentalists a safe environment to act in.
So while we should indeed join shoulders to combat antiintellectualism and fundamentalism in all it´s forms, we should do so as educated people, and at the same time keep calling the theists on their irratonal believes.
ShasOKais 3 years ago
TAA might be over the top and his style of delivering the message is not one I would have chosen myself, but he sitll raised a very valid point: Theistic "evolutionists" (which is a stupid name, since there is no "evolutionism") are still theists. The fact that they accept the natural science, and often even practice them, as Don Exodus would be an example for, does not mean that they have any more validity in their religious believes than fundamentalists.
ShasOKais 3 years ago
Look I like both you and TAA. TAA is not a cult leader. He's just more aggressive. There's going to people subscribed to anyone that are assholes, I'm sure some of your subscribers are assholes.
As far as I'm concerned, he has the same message as you and eddygoombah. He just expresses it in a different way. He's not in it for subscribers or fame, he's in it for the same reason you are. You just have different styles-vastly different.
Sixdown54 3 years ago
If I may, FAFF. Looking for attention, no. This is a very open, intelligent young woman who uses the Tube as sort of a therapy session where she is just trying to connect to the world. I have never heard her talk down to anyone, even when she was hurt by them. She brings an open-hearted, honest view of Freethinking/Atheism to light that is sorely lacking on the Net. She never claims to have all the answers, and although she doesn't always see it, she is on the path of a true human being.
johnbrewer95621 3 years ago
Please, isn't everyone on YouTube looking for attention? Be real, of course they are.
I have just recently came across TAA's videos, and as a result yours. I'm not an atheist, but I see his videos as entertainment. That's it. Entertainment. I think you and others are taking YouTube waaayyy to serious. Just my 2cents worth.
Nuhtzzzz 3 years ago 3
I give always 5 stars to her videos, even before watching actually. Her looks are already 5 stars worth ^^
cimajokexukuridy 3 years ago
Lulz at shit bee atheists.
Rahab111222 3 years ago
you r too cute!
agree with u 100% TAA can be a bit much
sampsonoff 3 years ago
What is the deal with atheists trying to imply that we have some type of movement. The only thing that connects atheists is the answer to one question. Not everyone is a scientist or a philospher, nor is everyone cheerful and happy. I don't like TJ's style, but to imply that he has no content in his videos is absurd. I dislike the fact that most his videos are unscripted and long, but he is popular for a reason. Don't worry about what he says, no one is confusing your message with his.
gt6303c 3 years ago
"What is the deal with atheists trying to imply that we have some type of movement."
I don't know. I listen to TJ sometimes, yet I don't agree with a lot of his comments and hateful tone. Like most people I find enjoyment out of listening to them, but I usually disagree with them and sometimes to a great degree. There's still very good points TJ makes nonetheless. It's just not good to have so much attention on cussing out people instead of ruthlessly savaging assanine ideas.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
She's right. I mean I like atheist outrage entertainment sometimes, but anger and revenge and seeking after fairness is not going to help the situation in the long run. I'm not talking about justified ridicule. From my experience that did have a big effect on me when I was losing my faith. But what was distastful about listening to many atheists was the bitterness and anger that they didn't feel like they should control.
It's you're choice but don't complain when theists call atheists asses.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
you jealous fuckin moron TJ like everyone else... started with 1 sub... and look what he got now... wow your fuckin stupid
Diamondsays1 3 years ago
I Love your smile... I want you to cum on my face...
KeratinizingSquamous 3 years ago
I listened for two minutes then stopped. Okay. TJ's "claim to authority" is justified. He's right to speak on behalf of all atheists when he says "we atheists" should not listen to anything theistic evolutionists have to say. And I say that as a deistic (somewhat agnostic) evolutionist, which is pretty close.
YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM. DonExodus made claims he could not prove. He abandons the integrity he shows as a scientist when it comes to history. He deserved an angry response.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"Okay. TJ's "claim to authority" is justified. He's right to speak on behalf of all atheists when he says "we atheists" should not listen to anything theistic evolutionists have to say."
This suprises me. DonExodus doesn't seem to want to argue about religion. He seems to keep with fact a lot. What dialogue are you referring to?
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
DE, in the course of refuting creationism, will mention he's Christian. And then towards the end of his series makes two videos explaining how evolution and Jesus being God can co-exist.
If he JUST wanted disprove creationism, we'd never hear a peep on his religion. And he completely abandons scientific skepticism and inquiry in determining the truth about how the Gospels were created.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"DE, in the course of refuting creationism, will mention he's Christian. And then towards the end of his series makes two videos explaining how evolution and Jesus being God can co-exist."
So? It only makes his point stronger that evolution is not an atheistic belief. Besides those two videos he hasn't really made much on the beliefs subject nor does he try to persuade anyone about his beliefs. He obviously wants to separate his beliefs from reality. Science vs. faith.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"It only makes his point stronger that evolution is not an atheistic belief."
We didn't need him to make that point. Catholics believe in evolution.
What's at stake here is not the public believing in evolution, but the integrity and rationality of people.
DE is a liar. Period. He claims Jesus is God. His reasons are blatantly fallacious. He's a liar.
Read above comments for the difference between claiming to have faith in something and making a claim of reality.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"Catholics believe in evolution."
So? His war is against creationists absurdities not promoting religion.
"What's at stake here is not the public believing in evolution, but the integrity and rationality of people."
Ha. I could find a lot of atheists on you tube who lack some kind of credibility in my books. But as long as they don't make a big issue about the falsehood, I don't have a big problem.
"He claims Jesus is God."
And you've never lied when being wrong?
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "And you've never lied when being wrong?"
There's a difference between unintentionally being in error and indulging in wishful thinking. DE is the latter. He isn't genuinely fooled into believing Jesus is God. The skepticism and rational inquiry he demonstrates as a scientist is deliberately set aside in his methods of providing proof Jesus is God.
Yes, you can fool a child, but DE is just fooling himself and knows it. Lying to yourself doesn't make it okay to lie to others.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"There's a difference between unintentionally being in error and indulging in wishful thinking."
Yes and no. By virtue of believing fairy tales as an intellegent person he is fooling himself. But, you're making the same fallacy many Christian apologists do. They assume people are "willfully" rejecting their view because obviously God has given enough evidence to people. It's odd that DE believes what he believes because your worldview dictates an accusation of down right lying without evidence.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"DE is a liar. Period. He claims Jesus is God. His reasons are blatantly fallacious. He's a liar."
Furthermore, saying DE is a liar is no different than fundamental Christians saying you must be evil because you don't believe in God. If you can't provide evidence that he is lying, outside of your worldview, then it is bigotry. Sometimes honest people, not claiming DE is completely honest, come to radically different conclusions but some make huge errors in reasoning.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "If you can't provide evidence that he is lying, outside of your worldview, then it is bigotry... Sometimes honest people... make huge errors in reasoning."
DE is well armed with the process of scientific inquiry and analysis. He didn't make a "huge error". He knew the belief he wanted and went for it.
For example, he said Paul said that 500 people saw Jesus resurrect who can be approached. But DE has no proof it wasn't interpolated in decades or centuries later.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"DE is well armed with the process of scientific inquiry and analysis. He didn't make a "huge error". He knew the belief he wanted and went for it."
Again you make an empty claim and back it up with the assumption that you are correct. Lack of externatl evidence of the 500 witnesses is not evidence that it didn't happen.
DE is inconsistent with his analysis of the bible but that doesn't automatically make him a liar. I wasn't a liar when I believed in inconsistent Christian beliefs.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "I wasn't a liar when I believed in inconsistent Christian beliefs."
I was a Christian for three years. I know what it's like.
The general rule is if you don't have a conclusive proof for something, you remain agnostic on it, and it's our responsibility to admit we could be wrong about our bias towards something.
Since DE skips that, he's lying. And I was a liar too. Religious people lie to themselves, and thus think it's okay to lie to others since they were okay with it.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"I was a Christian for three years. I know what it's like."
Yea, I was a Christian for much longer than that but it's still irrelavent. Lying implies you know something is false. I didn't know my beliefs were false until I started disbelieving them. I would grant that there is intellectual dishonesty, but I don't call that lying. I don't want to argue semantics, but lying carries a stronger conotation of being mallacious. A lot of people are dishonest to themselves and don't know it.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "Lack of externatl evidence of the 500 witnesses is not evidence that it didn't happen."
But that's the thing. DE is claiming that Paul's letter IS evidence that it did happen.
This is a problem that happens among certain scientists. These people know how to set up an experiment with a hypothesis and null hypothesis. DE is deliberately stupifying himself to indulge his fantasies.
Our unwarranted respectfulness towards such behavior hurts us. We have to confront it.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"DE is claiming that Paul's letter IS evidence that it did happen."
I never heard him argue for the truth of the Bible, but why shouldn't Paul be used as evidence for the resurrection? Would you call me a liar when I used to believe the cosmological argument proved God's existence? You're making unfair judgements on people's motives.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
highwind8124: I think I understand what your coming from though. If we allow liberal Christianity off the hook than religion still lives and irrationality isn't challenged. Further, Liberal Christians can't speak out against what is dangerous by religious fanatics.
But I think that is false. In fact people like DE mock the Bible and many Christians so much it seems that they are atheist at first glance. People will always find ways to be irrational but the goal is to stop the dangerous kind.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
DE acknowledges that Genesis is bullshit. Adam and Eve never happened, and neither did Noah's flood. But for him, somewhere along this bullshit story, it suddenly becomes true, and the Jews are the chosen people after all and people will go to hell and Jesus is God. That's insane.
He says homosexuality "evolved" and the NT is against it. DE's full of shit. The only record we have of Jesus is the Gospels, and he's an asshole in those books. He doesn't predict anything. I could go on.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"the Jews are the chosen people after all and people will go to hell and Jesus is God. That's insane."
I don't even know what DE says about hell. probably not the same hell as fundies would describe.
Again you are describing the absurdities and inconsistencies of DE beliefs but you haven't given me any reason to think he's a liar.
Furthermore, if fundies become liberal christians because of him fine. What's the big problem? Liberal Christians seem to be fine with atheist views.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"I don't even know what DE says about hell. probably not the same hell as fundies would describe."
He says people will have a choice at the end to accept Jesus or not. He may have a liberal view of hell, but nonetheless, it's still what it is.
Saying Jesus of the Bible is God has consequences. This claim should not be taken lightly.
Knowing evolution is a justified opportunity to leave Christianity, but DE simply helps Christians to keep their faith with BS, making a resistant strain.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"Knowing evolution is a justified opportunity to leave Christianity, but DE simply helps Christians to keep their faith with BS, making a resistant strain."
Half a rational person is better than no rational person. I listened to people trying to defend the bible and evolution when I was a Christian and it didn't stop me from losing faith. Using evolution to deconvert people is what makes half the U.S. reject it. So many people think Evolution excludes belief, which it doesn't.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
highwind8124: It sounds like you've been listening to the atheist fundamentalists, Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, when there are just as passionate and strong atheists who disagree with that kind of divisiveness that some of those tend to have.
You're right. We don't need DE. But for almost everything I've heard him advocate he is in line with good reasoning. Furthermore, you might as well hate all politicians since they have to be religious to get ellected. But despite that they can be good.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "Furthermore, you might as well hate all politicians since they have to be religious to get ellected."
On that topic, I do hate all politicians. I'm forced to vote for the slightly lesser of two evils constantly. Their religious claims and the nature of them is just icing on the cake, one more reason I dislike them. Everyone should look at politicians with more cynicism.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"On that topic, I do hate all politicians."
I don't like most politicians either, but I think it's more of the nature of the profession that is flawed and not just the people.
You seem to hate a lot of people. 98% of the world who believe in God maybe?
DE get's attacked all the time on his videos. He just talks about evolution and someone is like why are you a Christian. Wtf do you expect him to do at least once in a while? DE channel is not a religion channel.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "You seem to hate a lot of people. 98% of the world who believe in God maybe?"
I'm actually an agnostic deist. Some atheists would be quite angry at me. My problem isn't with those who privately wonder with what's out there. My problem is that DE is far too intelligent to believe in his incredibly absurd conclusions, that the Bible started out being fake but became real at some point in its story. I could point out many obvious contradictions. I'll explain more in my next post.
highwind8124 3 years ago
There's no point in deceiving people that evolution means you can't have religious belief in order to propogate nonbelief. Fundamental Christians already know that evolution contradicts the Bible. DE isn't going to convince them otherwise.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"Fundamental Christians already know that evolution contradicts the Bible. DE isn't going to convince them otherwise."
When Galileo found scientific proof the Earth revolved around the Sun, the church persecuted him at first. But over time, they found a way to mesh the Bible with that discovery.
You can't allow this to continue. When I say we don't need more Catholics, I'm not saying DE is one. I'm saying that like applying antibiotics to bacteria, you're breeding a resistant strain.
highwind8124 3 years ago
highwind8124: Even if you consider every religious believer a criminal for that belief most of them should still be treated with some respect (not kent hovind et al...). Why? Because they are a victim to themselves. You can't blame a child for being brainwashed into a fear based system that would cost them everthing to leave it and are deceived into thinking life is worthless without Jesus. I was their and that's why It took me a while to leave the faith even though I was rational and doubted.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
There are some very prominent scientists who are so intelligent, so skeptical and analytical, prestigious people who then claim to be Christian or Muslim or whatever.
It's a huge problem, and hugely irresponsible. These people are overpowered with the mental faculties to test their beliefs to see if they're true. Their refusal to scrutinize them, and their ignoring the fallacies, is dishonest.
Like Sam Harris said, it's scary that a nuclear scientist can still believe in the 72 virgins.
highwind8124 3 years ago
highwind8124: Look, I understand what you're saying. But I think evolution is innately apposed to fundamentalism. It's not like a small deal to cover up. Some people like at wheaten college try to make it work, but it there are very few that do and it is a big mental hoop even for fundamentalists. So I'd rather people become liberal Christians then stay fundamentalists. Also, if atheists are the only ones speaking out for evolution it becomes a religion topic instead of science.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
There are hundreds of millions of Christians who believe in evolution since the Catholic church has accepted it. So no, it clearly isn't a mental hoop for them.
highwind8124 3 years ago
Highwind8124: But listen. I don't think you need to promote DE to get something out of it and I think he causes at least as much good as his possible damage. But I think we need to encourage Christians to at least not be fanatics and not propogate their beliefs as if they can prove them. It doesn't stop there, but as Agnosticman77 said if there were no fundamentalists he wouldn't be doing any videos. But you are right. We can't allow irrationality to slip in as if condoned by nonbelievers.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
The Amish are fundamentalists. What problem have they caused Agnosticman77? Moderates can be just as dangerous, because their more frivolous interpretation still remains unjustified, and still acted upon.
highwind8124 3 years ago
highwind8124: I admit I haven't been watching the fewd go on with these two individuals and I apologize if I assume something incorrectly between the situation. I honestly haven't seen DE say anything crazy but on some comments and a couple of videos just saying what he believes. I think I remember him saying that their was a chariot wheel found on the bottom of the Red sea or something like that.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
highwind8124: Listen, I'm not saying tj should stop making his videos. In fact ridicule and hate is effective in motivating people to make changes and think about things that are importnat. I find him enjoyable at times. Maybe extremism on the other end of things is needed to balance the pendulum. But offends me when I see progress in Christians who think critically, although are still inconsistent, and anti-theists throw them off as lying evil bastards. This slows progress and is evil in IMHO.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"But offends me when I see progress in Christians who think critically, although are still inconsistent, and anti-theists throw them off as lying evil bastards."
You're compromising. You're grateful for partial progress that you want to overlook the remaining problem.
Even fundamentalists Christians are noble at times. I'm not saying they're pure evil. I'm saying belief in evolution is not the end goal, but rather rationality and honesty. DE disarmed his. We don't need more Catholics.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"You're compromising. You're grateful for partial progress that you want to overlook the remaining problem."
No I'm not. It's not a compromise to have respect for an opponent. It is foolish to try to sway your apponent and bash their character at the same time even if he was a so-called liar.
"DE disarmed his. We don't need more Catholics."
How is DE a Catholic? I think he would be excommunicated for blasphemy if DE was a Catholic. Christians I've seen don't think DE is Christian.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
highwind8124: In conclusion, I rather see more Christians criticizing other Christians then more atheists criticizing Christians. Who do you think Christians are likely to listen to more? If Christians at least get other Christians to think for themselves then there is a better chance they will abandon their beliefs altogether. In fact, this actually happened to me when I learned to critically defend the bible; it eventually made me see it as false by those same standards of inquiry.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"And he completely abandons scientific skepticism and inquiry in determining the truth about how the Gospels were created."
I have yet to see a video of him trying to prove the gospels are reliable. However, even the leader of the infidels website says it is not unreasonable for a theist to believe the resurrection is true based on the historical evidence.
Nobody knows how the gospels were created. There's a difference between critical thinking and having the correct worldview.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
QUOTE: "Nobody knows how the gospels were created."
Don't assume your ignorance is everyone else's.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"Don't assume your ignorance is everyone else's."
I am very ignorant, but if you have the answers to how the gospels came about please give me the evidence we've all been waiting for! If what you mean by created is how they were composed, then we do have a good idea.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"DonExodus made claims he could not prove."
I have not seen one video where DonExodus tries to prove his beliefs. He even says he doesn't want to defend his beliefs and he even says he cannot prove any of them. He may defend himself against atheistic attack by saying he has reason to believe in what he believes. TJ is being an ass. Why not use a moderate Christian to slap in the fundies in the face? Fundamentalist atheism is junk. I rather listen to outraged guys like Agnosticman77.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"Why not use a moderate Christian to slap in the fundies in the face?"
Because evil does not need to be moderated. It needs to be flat out called what it is.
We don't need DE at all. At all, at all, at all. If his channel closed, I would be happy. If people want to learn about evolution, they can go learn about it from sources that don't blatantly preach that evolution and the Bible can co-exist.
highwind8124 3 years ago
highwind8124: "We don't need DE at all. At all, at all, at all. If his channel closed, I would be happy."
Fuck you. You are against free thought by wanting to get rid of people against your cause. I can find interesting and usuful stuff by the worst cultists or the hardest atheists. DE is nowhere near a religious propogader. And even if he was it would be a benefit if fundies turned liberal, which they probably wouldn't anyways. Let free thinkers figure out whats right or wrong.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
I am not at all suggesting OTHERS close down his site. I'm just saying if DE himself took it all down, that would be fine.
QUOTE: "DE is nowhere near a religious propogader."
He's the rat you let in the door. You're overcome by temptation here. He's not stamping out religious lunacy, but merely breeding a more resistant strain.
If you don't call DE out on his lies, then you're giving a free pass to Catholics as well.
highwind8124 3 years ago
"If you don't call DE out on his lies, then you're giving a free pass to Catholics as well."
You think this is a sports game? Or you want to play like the religious with the Good vs. evil thing? I think your boy is more dangerous to society because he's breeding hate and bigotry against people who might not happen to be bigots themselves. Don't confuse fighting ideas with fighting people. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism regardless of which belief or nonbelief it is.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
Fuck atheists who call themselves "free thinkers" by default. Yes I'm an agnostic (or atheist by some technical definitions). I wouldn't even champion myself as a free thinker because I realize how much human beings are subject to their perceptions and limited knowledge.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
You know i think there is a reasonable explanation for his Videos... I mean hes a Venteran on youtube and right in the aim line... I bet he can get pissed off, and i think Youtube is like a vent to let out the goo of the religious stupidity, well ill spak for myself that sorround me and i bet around him too aswell... thats a point to consider too..
C0ldhead 3 years ago
... you know fed up by it...
C0ldhead 3 years ago
wow lol TAA isn't going to stop, either way you yourself are making a large claim for the people how have subscribed to him, i didn't subscribe to him because he was atheist nor because i want to latch to anyone (i am not athiest myself) i don't want to get into anyones face unless they are making a prejudice on "his supporters" either way my reason for subscribing was for the sole purpose of him having a point (the ideas, if kept vague are supportable) in about 1/4 of his videos.
termanogue 3 years ago
who* (on previous post) either way i just wanted to point out that it was somewhat offensive that you put all the supporters on a same boat. For the most part he could be disaggreable but then again who is going to agree with with anyone 100% every single time or at all, personally never have, on the other hand, i take him for the single idea of thinking outside of the box and sometimes just because he challenges what i think and helps shape thoughts wether for (rarely) or against.
termanogue 3 years ago
to conclude my rant. i just feel that although he comes on in a dictating type of way and maybe some buy it all. my Father always told me its not what you do (in this case what you hear) but what you become of it. And i don't believe everyone buys everything he says. maybe he just opens up multiple angles beyond what he presents even for the optimistic, maybe we take it a bit further proving why he's wrong, we are getting a peak into his perspective, hes pushing our buttons, and stirs up a conv
termanogue 3 years ago
"i don't believe everyone buys everything he says."
Yes but people you listen to you influence you unless you apply complete critical thinking 100% of the time on everything they say. It's not like atheists follow dogma. It's that they can get emotionally charged to be haters and abandom some level of critical thinking in order to make religion look stupider and religions people more evil. While it's entirely true there are those people it's still propoganda to incite prejudices.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
You make no sense at all but you are so pretty that it doesnt matter. :)
LilliputTroupe 3 years ago
I do believe that is one worst complement ive heard in some time. I would rather that someone told me: You makes no sense at all, and your ugly! That would at least be an indication that the person despised me, and disagreed. But saying that a person is beutiful and makes no sense, you are miniatyrizing them in a condesending way. I think.
lifeandwater 3 years ago
You are right, I shouldnt have said that.I apologize.
LilliputTroupe 3 years ago
I just subbed to your channel, and I completely agree with your thoughts regarding TAA. I've never watched a complete video of his, because he's just too loud and obnoxious for me. I do like thunderfoot, even though he can be very condescending, at least he remains calm, and is obviously intelligent. I at least feel I may learn something from his videos.
I've only watched a few of your videos so far, but they've been entertaining, keep up the good work.
sakeng 3 years ago
I think the you could use the word "strident" to good effect here =)
clizzaster 3 years ago
20,000 fans or 200,000 fans doesn't establish the validity of an argument. If the TAA guy is rude, crude and offensive, then it seems that he's on the atheist train to validate his use of rudeness, crudeness and offensiveness. The world is round. Not effing round, or mother-effing round. Just round (an oblate sphere). If TAA doesn't speak for you, then so be it. He's not the representative for YouTube atheists. Now, if he drags you down to his scatological level, it is your choice to go.
Beinquisitive 3 years ago
Agreed. But also subscribers don't mean drones but for the same reason people watch or read anything, information can be information. It's sad some people take things to heart. Some people are just entertaining like a Youtube George Costanza Atheist guy..
DistortedSmiles 3 years ago
I definitely understand her message in this video that if anybody that has heard of the typical atheist stereotype of being mean, vile people were to go to TAA's channel and see any of his videos, that stereotype would be even more amplified. We should be setting good examples to battle those horrible stereotypes; not throwing gas on the fire so to speak. I don't look down upon those that are subscribed to TJ's channel tho. We just need a lot more positive images to combat the negative ones.
curtishouse31 3 years ago
i tried to count the contradictions in the video but lost count
ThePirateGrog 3 years ago 3
Well, assuming you can count to three, list three of them.
UppruniTegundanna 3 years ago
cant you just watch the video yourself? you're asking me to watch it over (i obviously watched it a week ago) and thats not something i really want to do. but if i find time later, fine. ill list 1, then ill list the 2nd, then ill list the 4th. r-tard
ThePirateGrog 3 years ago
I just didn't see anything particularly unreasonable about her video and simply stating that there were contradictions doesn't stand up as a strong argument.
UppruniTegundanna 3 years ago
why don't YOU stop making videos? you make no sense...
and BTW TJ isn't an asshole. he speaks his mind and is not sorry for it. his subscriptions only prove that people appreciate that
ThePirateGrog 3 years ago
U are too stunning to be an atheist!!! You are obviously the finest work of God on youtube.
sushi123 3 years ago 2
"You seriously are absolutely beautiful!"
"You're hot."
How about these lackeys, lady?
2timmy4u 3 years ago
There is no positive side of atheism. What you're thinking of is just the negativity of religion.
2timmy4u 3 years ago
We should all just start flagging all of TAA video's from now on whenever he insults someone.
TheAgnosticAspie 3 years ago
You know what's funny (odd, not haha) about TAA and the Capn? I generally agree with you - coming from an Evangelical background, I have sort of sworn off being an asshole.
However, I think that people like him (or JesusFreak, on the other side of the aisle) are really the ones who get the attention and mental effort of the general populous. They're effective because they are base - and while that may be unappealing to the intellectual, it is the reality of human social interaction.
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago 2
someone is spying on you lol.
holyshhhit 3 years ago
What a great video, thank you for making this, and as a Muslim I welcome your message with open arms. I have subscribed to you and am willing to listen to you.
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
You seriously are absolutely beautiful!
ShibbyDude6969 3 years ago
You're hot.
sickink2 3 years ago
I ain't no fuckin Lacky
AJOAndre2 3 years ago
Just because someone subscribes and enjoys TAA's (or anyone like him) videos, that makes them a "lackey"?
So does that make YOUR subscribers YOUR lackeys?
thoomolong 3 years ago
His videos wouldn't even be noticed weren't it for the fact that a lot of people notice him.
:P
Promatheos 3 years ago
Well, just so you know.
I've never watched a TAA video, but I've now seen about 3 or 4 of yours.
So, don't worry, not everybody is getting tainted by the militant techniques of some of those more outspoken atheists.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I'm an atheist as well and I can't stand TAA. He's a militant idiot that makes all of us look no better than the militant religious idiots.
CrunkChipmunk 3 years ago
I've also chosen not to subscribe to TAA. He's entitled to his view, and obviously people share it, but I certainly don't, and I sometimes wonder if he just enjoys the fight with religion.
andytoz 3 years ago
The "friendly atheists" have a point. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. However, I subscribe to TAA because his videos provide a healthy dose of philosophical anti-orthodoxy. He may be abrasive, but his videos are almost unique in that he challenges every moral, religious, and political human preconception. It would be a shame to miss out on such radically uncommon perspectives simply to keep your "virgin ears" from being offended.
borgimplant 3 years ago
I disagree with you frisbees. The way TJ does things is more upfront and his approach works. This is evident by the amount of subscribers he has and you can compare him to the bigger atheist names today and their methods. Whilst I like TJ's videos I don't have to agree with everything he says either, group atheism is a stupid notion, whether he promotes this IDK. However a Fundamentalist would just skip over a video with normal rational arguments, the emotion is what keeps his viewers watching.
BoOyaH1388 3 years ago
Booyah its not that TAA's assholic approach works that gives him so many subscribers its that he is offensive in a Rush Limbaugh and Fox News way with how he goes about things. In other words he's not getting those subscribers because he's intelligent and people are taking in his message. He's getting those subscribers because he's a collosal asshole and people like to stand around and watch a train wreck like that.
CrunkChipmunk 3 years ago
TAA's direct method of approach is evidently more effective than the overtly respectful tiptoeing method, TAA basically replicates the forthright Dawkins&Hitchins approach (just with more swearing) and that approach does work, just look at how many books those two have sold.
vornander9 3 years ago
The Amazing Atheist is just a pompous ass that makes the atheist community look just like the ignorant pompous asses that we all dislike.
twistedxinsanity 3 years ago
I can't stand TJ. He's a horse's ass and makes everyone (humanity in general) look bad.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
His face is a horse's ass.
T850CSM101a1676 3 years ago
Agreed, he's a massive douche
mrjimmbo 3 years ago
I can't believe that some people unsubscribed to Don just because of one or two videos were he talked about his beliefs in God. I like to point out that I don't believe in God, Like many here on YT but Don was doing a great job, he always bin a nice guy, a smart guy and he never was in to putting people down, unlike TAA and VFX. Its a bad, if u ask me, that some, not all, atheist are becoming what they hate, religious radicals who want everyone to think like them.
DarkLordOfTheUnknown 3 years ago
I'd trade TJ's fat ass for Don any day. TJ is a fucking low life.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
You have really nice eyes.
ur cute for sure
realslimshady12 3 years ago
But they're all assholes, TAA,Capnawesome,VFX(the biggest asshole in the history of assholeness, and a huge butt pirate),n Jezuzfreek who is a redneck,closet homosexual nazi he probably walks around with a hitler youth knife tucked safely in his bra.
urlocalSAVAGE 3 years ago
I kinda like how he addresses theists.They get to believe in fairy tales n shit and live in a fantasy world and start wars and shit simply based on some bullshit belief is ridiculous.
urlocalSAVAGE 3 years ago
TAA is the sort of person for whom atheism is a religion.
Saktoth 3 years ago
"Just as.....just as..."
How about needy? How about emotionally stunted? I mean come on...The AMAZING Atheist?
I agree with you, on all points.
hairyreasoner 3 years ago
"TJ's videos wouldn't be noticed if it weren't for the fact that 20,000 people subscribed to him"
At one point he had no subscribers, and since then 20,000 people _have_ noticed him ;)
Completely agree with the main message of your vid. I don't much want to be tarred with that brush either.
bitbutter 3 years ago
Hey, great video. I had to have a quick look at one of TAA's video to see what the fuss was about and have to say that I don't find them as good as yours, PiroNiro's and the like. As an atheist, that it is not really my cup of tea, mainly because they seem to be a bit negative and not as entertaining, so will take your advice and not bother to subscribe. Anyway keep up the good work.
surreydave 3 years ago
I am a Christian and have the exact same problem with guys like VFX and Jesus freak that you have with AA. I'm trying to prove that we are not all like them and some us don't care what you believe (sadly I cant make videos of my own yet) But your video was like watching a mirror image of myself, only if I was an Atheist and a girl.
TheKingOfImmortality 3 years ago
Do you like YolkUp? lol
tubeheadz 3 years ago
If you mean YokeUp, then no. I'm not that kind of Christian.
TheKingOfImmortality 3 years ago
The whole hat colour matching your eyes almost perfectly is quite impressive.
kegs666 3 years ago 2
I don't always agree with him, but TAA is by far the most entertaining person on youtube in my opinion.
basarabz 3 years ago
The Amazing Atheist is the Jerry Falwell of Atheism ;)
But i don't think he or captain awesome are the faces of Atheism on youtube. People like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dennet are the faces of Atheism.
Salladsdressing 3 years ago
uh-oh someone in the video is looking over your shoulder... probably a secret TAA fan or the tickle-monster
I like CapnOAwesome because his videos are actually somewhat entertaining.
I disagree... I'm going to be more of an asshole as a result of watching this :P but at least I don't waste time on some silly ass tangents like TJ. His theistic evolutionist diatribe is nothing but a big fat genetic fallacy. Just because someone you don't like says something that's true doesn't make it useless.
tubeheadz 3 years ago
I'm not sure why you use the word 'authority' in relation to TAA arguing that we should reject theistic evolutionists. He lays out his reasons for this (and while I understand his point, I am not convinced). He didn't say, nor do I believe he even implied, that we should do it BECAUSE HE IS TAA. That's the impression I got from your response, and I don't think it's fair.
I don't think the loudest and most sensationalistic among us are best known.
Oh, and you're way hotter than LisaNova.
HasimirFenring1106 3 years ago
No no drama. We dont want no drama drama.
You're cute, btw.
DonExodus2 3 years ago
Come on drama is cool.. the TJ drama however is stupid shit. It's almost like he's desperately running out of shit to talk about.
tubeheadz 3 years ago
wow, jelous much. i was a genius in third grade so what i thought id do was, i thought id punctuate like a third grader, cos punctuation is for the anally retentive. As well as cranial rectal extractions, I also offer sense of humour implants. This is a fan saying this. feel free to give me 6 thumbs down for honesty. and bad grammar. That and after the full stop must be grinding your OCD gears right now ill wager.
calumlittle 3 years ago
whos the person that appears in the background?
MongaloidMayhem 3 years ago
Oh oh, i am one of those 20,000 subscribers
I think the point IS, atheists are HUMAN. Look at some of the theists ... They CAN be wierd. Why can't atheists.
I subscribe to ThunderFoot and even VenomFangX.
Your videos are GREAT. Anyway, i LIKE you but don't expect people to be "super human". TJ is a comedian. NOt my style.
truevoiceofsanity 3 years ago 2
I value your commentary. However, our fight is not on an emotional ground (at least for us rationalists, maybe the rest of you can convince the religious on emotional grounds). but the foundation of many religious people is based on rational belief which is best corrupted by a combination of violent rational AND emotional attacks such as TAA gives. Don't be jealous of his views. You bring as much of a message to people as he does, don't slaughter the choir member please.
BrainRazer 3 years ago
TAA says himself he is a sociopath, why in the world would you ask a sociopath man to be like a nice polite and civilized pretty woman like you ? This is kinda unrealistic to say "your entire personnality is wrong copy my standard and loose suscribers", it's not gonna happenning. Atheists should stop the intern drama and try to face people like Venomfangx.
itsbizbuz 3 years ago
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love....
It is abundantly obvious, when looking at the "atheist youtube community" that we are often very different. I personally, appreciate dignity, that is why I enjoy your videos and can't stomach TAA's. He is the atheist's Jerry Springer. It isn't my lack of religious belief that drives me, but my interest in truth and reason. Religion is just a casualty of this approach, for me. Nice video, thanks.
carloz1 3 years ago
I find that TAA's videos depicts himself and portrays atheists in general as brutes.. His methods are unethical and are not particularly an ideal exemplar of a typical atheist.. Also, yes, i also believe that most people now only watch his videos based on his excessive amount of subscribers.. However, he does make some interesting and somewhat decent arguments..
KeytoKnowledge89 3 years ago
Every group will have all sorts of characters. The christians got Geerup and the muslims got Snow3585. For every Atheist like TAA and CapnOAwesome, there's a Thunderf00t or a Danmill23. I think the reason TAA has so many subs is that, besides being Atheist, he can be funny and dramamtic at times, and in between all that he makes a lot of good points.
To be honest, I'll take TAA over a Brett Keane anyday!
BudhagRizzo 3 years ago 2
This is the issue: We often assume quality and quantity are the same thing. The post youtube internet world values quantity (number of subscribers) over quality. How do we assess quality? That's a hard question to answer, but I view his stuff as purely entertainment. Miley Ray Cyrus is shit, but she is big business. Other examples: Britney Spears, Tila Tequila, Bill O'Reilly, Nascar.
PianoIsTheRemedy 3 years ago
I'm subscribed to TAA, not for the reasons that one might think though. TAA represents all of us Atheists, he is the asshole that resides deep within us that yearns to get out.
stagism 3 years ago
And I take my hat off to you :) Great message to deliver to your viewers. I totally agree and support it. Keep it coming!
Braindiscovering 3 years ago
Nikki I think your message has far more substance than TJ's, keep up the good work there are people who can see the forest for the trees and find channels such as yours a breath of fresh air
TrueNorth15 3 years ago
You got a point there, i only watch him because he's one crazy mother who goes over-the-top all the time. And if= find that entertaining. I don't agree with everything he's saying tough
PassionOfTheAtheist 3 years ago
Lol @ random person at 2:05! Wth was she doing??? Ok...now watching the rest of the video :)
goldengun85 3 years ago
Great video.
HashyBee 3 years ago
I agree with you, I don't sub to him either.
Brianswers 3 years ago
I agree with both of you... and I really like your title "Brianswers" (I wish I thought of it)
imrational 3 years ago
Thanks! is Brian your name? :)
it was actually suggested by another youtuber. jenluv37.
Brianswers 3 years ago
You know everyone's minds are going wild speculating as to why another girl was in your bed... After that ending no one even cares or can remember what you video was about... LOLZ
Just kidding, good video as usual and I do agree that Atheists need to act in a distinguished manner and not come of as preachy and fist shaking as fundy's do.
Inqoinf 3 years ago
I've got to admit that I ocassionaly find TJ entertaining - sometimes his anger hits the right people. And sometimes even his "message" is quite good, one of his recent videos called "our generation" for example was spot-on.
But generally, I agree. TAA is an incredible douchebag with no respect for anyone, and with seemingly little regard for humans in general. He dances around, screams and insults like a hysteric clown suffering from manic depression, thinking that this makes him "relevant".
Killersepp 3 years ago
Me rikey your eyes, so pretty!
WongDuckDong 3 years ago
I do think that mocking religions has its purpose on youtube, however; one has to be very careful when employing that stance imo. I don't think TAA is very careful at times.
RobnJake 3 years ago
Trying to make all atheists look normal is like trying to make Islam look peaceful. While I agree with putting out a positive view of a group of people who are constantly stereotyped- covering up the 'sensationalist' punk-ass basement-dwelling side of the spectrum is impossible. They'll always be there, we just have to deal. If religious people have to be swayed with baked goods to open up to 'normal' atheists, it's just not worth it.
fieldofbeanflowers 3 years ago
'If religious people have to be swayed with baked goods to open up to 'normal' atheists, it's just not worth it.'
There's a number of us who simply enjoy people for who they are. I look at an atheist as a person first, atheist second.
michelle2chat 3 years ago
TAA is very self-centered, in a way pretty much like VFX. He represents the one side of the spectrum, while the silent ones are on the other side.
I subscribed to his channel, pretty much to see the forth an back between him and Yokeup, VFX, and others.
You are completely correct, the expression "atheist" might describe that we do not believe in a god or any supernatural, but it does in no way put us under one ideological umbrella with respect to other subjects, I guess.
FHB71 3 years ago
Thanks for being divisive, everyone. It's not enough that atheists are the scum of the universe. Now we have to hate on each other too.
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago
When I first came to Youtube and began checking out atheism videos, TAA was one of the first I subscribed to. Ugh, since then, I have come to see how terrible and miserable his videos really are. While I must say that I am still subbed and watch his videos, I do not have the same fervor while watching. It's mainly just a "hey, what's this jackass have to say today? Who is arguing with and making an idiot of himself today?"
purv989 3 years ago
Your admission that "It is jus different" is quite right. The Amazing Atheist has his own style and there is a market for it (as you point out). You make really good videos though and provide a very soft, human, yet equally intelligent side to atheism.
A third strand of atheism videography would perhaps be the Thunderf00t and potholer54 variety: hard science, biting wit, and excellent teaching.
muerteverde 3 years ago
I think "obnoxious" was the word you were looking for around 4:07. :) Nice video.
Kikai93 3 years ago
"obnoxious" is the word you're looking for
MeIoco 3 years ago
I've been subbed to TJ since his fifteenth video. It was funny to watch this big long-haired guy waving his middle finger and raging against the religion machine, so to speak. I think there's a bit of TJ in all of us if you're an atheist in this society, but he's not afraid to say what he thinks and he helped get atheism noticed on YouTube where someone might inadvertently learn something about evolution or whatever. It's been fun watching him. He's the Howard Stern of YouTube atheism. 5/5!
TheDude0fLife 3 years ago
You are so confused. You post a video about mean arrogant Christians then post a video saying we need to be polite to the invisible friend crowd. In your face videos are what is needed against in your face religious arrogance.
mopsman 3 years ago 4
I like both TAA and less "sensationalist" atheists like you. I personally would not like to meet a guy like TAA in everyday life, but his videos are entertaining and amusing. I enjoy the theatricality of TAA, even though I personally do not act like him.
Raskolnikhov 3 years ago