You can't do this in a Stryker: M113 Gavin zooming x-country

[CharlieDoan]

No steel plates to protect soldiers from enemy's sniper and machine guns.

The one to VN then Vietnamese enginners was put 3 pieces of steel plate at .50 machine gun, and other 2 at 2 M-60..got less injury more protections for our Soldiers US+South VN. Personal, I strongly request M-113 of today need to re-design to have more protection instrument for our troops! Please!

[StiviGun1]

OK, so what speed is this vehicle traveling at here? And I'm just curious about 1 thing because of something an idiot told me. Does this vehicle have the same mobility in an urban type of environment, or is it less capable on road than it is on rough terrain? 'Cause an idiot told me that the M113 has less agility on road and in the urban type of terrain than the M113. Is it true?

[dynmicpara]

@StiviGun1 The Gavin as a LIGHT tracked tank has GREATER mobility in ALL types of terrains than wheeled trucks and heavier tracked tanks. With rubber pads on steel tracks a Gavin goes as fast as its power/resistance will provide; reduce rolling resistance with band tracks and its as fast as rubber tired trucks on roads---but without the handicap to HAVE TO BE THERE. Air-filled rubber tires are not mobile in cities in the face of debris, obstacles and molotov cocktails.

[coralia1808]

@dynmicpara This is all very true. BTW, what do u know abt the BCT vehicles? What chassis will be used for those? Will it a be an M113 chassis or a completely new designed chassis?

[dynmicpara]

@coralia1808 The Army is being forced that America is broke and cannot replace all their vehicles just to get new technologies (typical racketeer excuse). GCVs will be existing vehicles with technology infusions for the HBCTs--or nothing at all.

[15thsquadron01]

The sad thing about he stryker is they keep blowing up everytime they hit an IED.

[torak101]

I see Stykers daily. There is one thing they can do off-road that a 113 has a very difficult time doing...

Rolling over.

[EDGEN123]

I missed driving that thing....I used to have fun driving in the terrains at ft hood

[muecke111111]

In Germany we call this Vehicles "1000 Liter Therme"! XD Enough place for hold 1000 Litres of Water or Food warm!

[COMMYCABOOSE]

Hey my dad drove those back in his days when he wasn't a rectuiter. He was in Bosnia in the early to mid 90's.

[pensfann]

I was a 113 driver in Boeblingen Germany near Stuttgart. I was with the Iron Rangers. 1st of the 16th Inf. Charlie Company 2 2. Those things were viciously Fast. Problem with heating alot, cold as hell. Had A blast though. that was back in 84. We never called them gavins, just 113 or apc.

[dynmicpara]

@pensfann We call them "Gavins" now to remind everyone they are LIGHT TANKS designed for air mobility for LIGHT/CAVALRY forces.

[dynmicpara]

17scout17 writes about M113 Gavins:

"They would go anywhere. I don't know anything about the Stryker, the Bradley was just coming to Cav units when I got out. The Bradley was too big for a Scout vehicle. A wheeled vehicle might be good for urban terrain, but in the woods or in the sand a 113would be better."

[cf80to01]

I've posted this question about 10 times on youtube with no answer. Please help! In Canada we call the M113 the "APC" or the "Track". Is Gavin a generic name for the M113 in the USA or does it mean a specific model? I spent a fair number of hours behind the tiller bars and grew to love the old APC. If you are going to follow the tanks cross country, wheels just will not do.

[dynmicpara]

"Gavin" is the nickname for all M113 models.

For details why: geocities dott com slash gavinpetition

[slipfirep40]

Gavin is a nickname that has recently been attached (semi officially) to the vehicle, in honor of the great Airborne leader Gen James Gavin who was responsible for its creation.

However some people believe that we should not call it the gavin solely because it was never called that before. Tools.

[xxbienxx]

With the upgrading of M113 Gavins, they can turn over all the Strykers to the Police Department. They can use them for crowd control, against bank robbers, and other urban disturbances, wherein the terrain are not muddy and relatively flat and the enemies uses only small automatic arms and no anti-tanks weapons.

[pacificguitarist]

I've heard a lot of criticism over the stryker... I dont know much about the military but can anyone tell me what the problems with it are? And why this one is better?

Thanks!

[dynmicpara]

Please read:

geocities dott comm slash wheelsvstracks

[sky00lion]

@pacificguitarist ..The stryker has a very high profile, little armor and lacks true cross country capabilities. It is not intended to be an assault vehicle... It is essentially a troop transport and can give some support from its crew served weapons. It also has a 105mm gun with 18 round auto loader on a small number of vehicles. IT IS NOT A TANK nor intended to be use in assault or anti tank role... A 50Cal can make swiss cheese out of the hull.

[5master11111]

Rumsfeld in his infinite wisdom at one time wanted to replace all Abrams Tanks with Strykers.

I hope that doesn't happen!

[joo6769]

I believe the stupid Stryker was the bird-brained idea of that idiotic Gen Shinseki.He was pushing for wheeled vehicles that can go fast on roads. He was pushing for Stryker brigades.

[Chillin1248]

Man, I remember when my M113 driver went full out in rough terrain. The most terrifying and most fun ride of my life.

[Tir1962]

Are the Gavins still dual stick driven like the old ones I used to drive?..12F (combat engineer track vehicle crewman)and if anyone can point me to some C.E.V. footage I would app. it

[dynmicpara]

M113A3 Gavins have steering wheels now. You are right--we need some M728 CEV footage showing the demolition gun in action...

[Tir1962]

I took top gun in my battalion on CEV...damn that gun was potent...65 lbs of nothing but high explosives...1000 meter kill zone...we could jack some stuff up!

[thecultofjonnybighed]

whoa they're quite good

[TheGreenSmoke]

Since when did the army start calling the M113 a Gavin?

[dynmicpara]

Around 1995, we began calling M113s "Gavins" after it was advocated in the cover story of the Jan/Feb 1995 issue of U.S. Army ARMOR magazine.

[gadget850]

The Gavin name is part of a push for an upgraded M113. Gen. James M. Gavin was one of the major proponents in the development of the M113. Google for "Michael Sparks" and "Gavin" and you will find a lot of content on this.

[bmxman242]

m113 isnt know to have the right armor..

[dynmicpara]

The bullet-proof armor armor of the M113 Gavin was always to be the STARTING POINT for the armor package. Its on THE USER to apply armor applique' as needed to overmatch the threat. Its called modularity. Lazy folk in the U.S. Army should have watched what all the other world armies do with their Gavins and gotten a clue much sooner than the current M113A3 Super Gavins now in Iraq.

[jocko111]

What song is playing...?

[dynmicpara]

Pat Benatar's "We Live for Love" aka VICTORY by cross-country M113 Gavin mobility not Stryker truck land mine ambush defeat.

[jocko111]

Lol... Thanks..

Great video by the way, i would just wish it was a little longer.

[uziyahuidf]

Wow! Had no idea it was possible to make an M113 go that fast.

I like your constructive criticism in an area that interests me.

I'm subscribing.

[BlacktailFA]

Not only is it going insanely fast, but over rough terrain at that!

It would be dangerous to drive a Stryker on that kind of ground, and the faster it goes, the worse the result would be.

[rusak24]

BTR-90 is better than Stryker, is this a normal M113 or is it modified.

[dynmicpara]

AFAIK a M113A2 Gavin but with a bigger engine.

[ssgduke54]

When I was in Korea my M113A had the ability to go over 50mph on a paved road! It was a very easy vehicle to maintain. The Striker I have mix feelings because as long it is a wheeled vehicle it is very very vulnerable!