Women-That-Died-Before-abortion-was-Legal.mp4

[peacefulvines]

I have personally seen two women wheeled out of abortion mills with blankets over their heads. I know if that is happening in one place, it is happening in hundreds. Sure abortion is legal.  But it will NEVER be safe. It is a procedure where sharp instruments are thrust into our bodies, in places that are the softest and most vulnerable. Women do not realize the danger to themselves when that undergo this supposedly "simple" procedure. Women deserve better than abortion.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@peacefulvines

I'd be interested in learning the name, address and a few details of that women's clinic mentioned by you so that I can follow up with an investigation of my own, provided that you are being forthright of course, which I doubt.

Otherwise, there are even safer medical or non-surgical abortions available now in the forms of a combination of two medications, mifepristone and misoprostol that is an option for women who are 8 weeks pregnant or less.

[canadianskye1964]

@ekajeht: you told me: and i quote "be careful - watch my back"

as Catholic Coathanger suggests: you should go find another preoccupation & quit wasting your life posting to me

[ekajeht]

@canadianskye1964 Learn to read you crazy cunt!

I told mrsjb to watch her back because of your rants!

If anyone has any doubts as to how crazy you are, they can check @mrsjbs1980 home page and see your insane rants to her!

It seems that you can't delete your idiot rants on her home page to hide your comments.

So read them and weep you crazy lying piece of shit!

[canadianskye1964]

@CatholicCoathanger: be careful of ekajeht: he threatened my life

[ekajeht]

@canadianskye1964 You are a crazy lying cunt!

Where did I ever threaten you?

Unlike you and your lying posts, I don't run off at the mouth like an insane idiot then go back and delete my posts!

If anyone threatened your insane lying ass ,why don't you report them?

I"ll tell you why you don't report it...BECAUSE YOU ARE A LYING CUNT!

LOL

Report that ...cunt!

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@canadianskye1964

ignore them, protect your anonymity because of their violent nature, but ignore them.

[EvilsOfFeminism]

Oh, no! Women died while trying to kill their babies? What is the world coming to?

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@EvilsOfFeminism

if the woman was someone you love, say a friend, a sister, or a daughter, you may have a different opinion.

[EvilsOfFeminism]

@CatholicCoatHanger Sure I would, if my mother wasn't selfish and abusive, and if my wife wasn't selfish and abusive. Maybe if many of the female "friends" I tried to keep in the modern gynocracy weren't the same. Maybe if women weren't clamoring for the right to murder (only for them of course, like everything else they snatch up for themselves), THEN they might get some respect. Any decent woman would be disgusted by abortion. The more who agree, the worse women become.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@EvilsOfFeminism

yeah, you're a mysogynistic old white male looney who has issues with women. Otherwise, it would be dreadful to be involved with a man if I were pregnant with our child and suffering from say preeclampsia .......

[EvilsOfFeminism]

@CatholicCoatHanger Yeah, you're just a victim wannabe/ageist/sexist, you think that anyone who disagrees with you is insane by default, AND you must make the characteristic implication that anyone who dislikes infant genocide "has issues with women." Okay, genius. What part of "woman" equates with "kill your kids?" What else...do you think the 65 million plus abortions were due to "preeclampsia" or some other obscure disease? I am calling you out. Deal with it.

[MrRavenNation]

@CatholicCoatHanger I donèt think you really have to ever worry about being involved with a man and becoming pregnant. Your my way or the highway attitude is very clear. Any man foolish enough to impregnat you will have zero input on anything at all and once her wises up will just be stuck paying for any of your litter you decide to keep.

[MrRavenNation]

@MrRavenNation My bad I didnèt catch that you were a holy mangina right off. Well good luck paying for kids you never wanted or having ones you did aborted when there is no medical threat to the mother at all. BTW, do you know why judges have steered clear of telling women to carry to term babies in such cases....... because the judges said ÈWomen will just drink and smoke and do all sorts of stupid things in cases like that, delivering a damaged childÈ

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@MrRavenNation

you're not only functionally illiterate, you also have no clue about case law.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@MrRavenNation

well then I'm sure that you would be disappointed to hear that I have been married for over 20 years with two children, 12 and 15 yo. As I read your mean spirited post to me I have to wonder if you are illiterate or perhaps from a foreign country.

[MrRavenNation]

@CatholicCoatHanger I take it you were too intellectually slow to catch that I was pointing out that YOU attack people in a mean spirited way. I can only assume that is because you are unequipped to form a logical argument.

I'll try to keep in mind that you do not understand logic or ad hominem agruments.

The fact remains that your feminist sources have lied to you. 1000's of women did NOT die every year from backroom abortions...

[MrRavenNation]

@CatholicCoatHanger 1000's of men die each year in Afghanistan and Iraq to keep your entitled ass swimming in cheap oil. And unlike feminist `facts`or `statistics`that is verifiable. The information is also repeatable.

As for `case law".... where are your verifiable cases backing up your position. And, keep in mind I can provide "case law" where Germans set a precident that all Jews, homosexuals, political dissidents, should be rounded up in concentration camps and exterminated.

[MrRavenNation]

@CatholicCoatHanger Case law is a piss-poor substitute for thinking for yourself. Just because some dumb judge happens to agree with your particular prejudice does not make it right, or even moral.

All I've said is that abortion should not be used as a substitute for contraception (look up the difference between birth control and contraception). And, that men need to have reproductive rights enshrined in law aswell.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@MrRavenNation

yeah ..... well good luck with that one. Thanks for the chuckle

[MrRavenNation]

@CatholicCoatHanger I don't believe I mentioned this one before but, on a related note: Childrens right to know both of their own parents and their medical histories, should render paternity fraud a crime. Many studies have found 10-30% of the claimed fathers could not have been the father. Geography and socio-economic class were found to affect the studies. But the BEST CASE scenario 10% of live births resulted in a man being enslaved to raise another mans' child without his consent.

[canadianskye1964]

do not call women who have had abortions 'whores'. unless you are a male virgin, shut up.

men can also be labelle 'whores'

[canadianskye1964]

@ekajeht: killed an abortion doctor lately? or firebombed an abortion clinic?

ever support someone who has done this?

antichoicers are gulity of terrorism!!! watch the movie "if these walls could talk"

[ekajeht]

@canadianskye1964 says='killed an abortion doctor lately?"

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No I havn't killed an abortion doctor.

But I feel as bad for the abortion doctors that have been killed as I do for the murdering nazi's of WWII

They are both guilty of the same thing . =LEGAL MURDER OF INNOCENT LIVES!

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeht

I guess I'll ask the question again since you were evasive the first time ..... at what gestational age is the conceptus viable?

[canadianskye1964]

those who are ignorant of the past (about the death of women before abortions are legal) are doomed to have the past repeat itself.

[canadianskye1964]

@vibrant51 you're stupidity is so glaring it is blinding. perhaps you need to educate yourself by reading about women's lives before legal abortion

if you can get your mind to actually think freely from religious doctrine you have been brainwashed. don't get me wrong, i was raised anglican, but i choose to think freely & have more compassion towards women's plight than you do.

[leiapeison]

this video makes me rage!!! i am so against these anti choicers!!

[MrRavenNation]

@leiapeison Unlike men honey. You have a plethora of choice BEFORE conception.

If the real rate of deaths was in the thousands per year why does this video never find even 10 in any given yearÉ

Abortion above ground (therefore much safer) absolutely, legal (well yes it has to be to be above ground now doesnèt it), now the real kicker that pisses off so many women is REGULATED. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason to use abortion as birth control with so many contraceptives.

[silentnomoremn]

Women are dying from safe and legal abortions...more will continue to die. Why not promote building up the resources for women/girls to allow their child to live. In your world a mother has to choose between her education and child. In your world a mother has to choose between her job and child. In your world a she has to choose between her man or child. Why does a mother have to choose between anything and her child? Try working towards reducing abortions if you have to fight for anything.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@silentnomoremn

is an embryo a child? and if so, at what point is it viable and not dependent on its host?

[ekajeht]

@CatholicCoatHanger says=" is an embryo a child? and if so ,at what point is it viable and not dependent on it's host?"

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Are you recommending the killing of babies up to what???? 3 or 4 years of age?

Because an infant can not live without care.

Or you just talking about embryos in the mothers womb?

Because if so...even embryos can be taken from the mother and placed in another's womb.

So at conception you have a NEW life to either care for, or murder.

Your choice

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeht

if it were in the perinatal or post-natal status it would obviously have legal rights conferred by state and federal law.

and there are many, many millions more spontaneous or "god" abortions than there are medically induced abortions so this would imply that a deity is an abortionists. catch-22 ..... god is a murderer

[ekajeht]

@CatholicCoatHanger says=" more spontaneous abortions then there are medically induced abortions..."

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With that reasoning,,,, then seeing as there are more gun related deaths from suicide then there is from homocide you would be ok with people just killing anyone at will!

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeht

it is a fact, that there are far many millions more spontaneous abortions than medically induced abortions. So what the hell is wrong with this deity of yours?

[ekajeht]

@CatholicCoatHanger says="there are far many millions spontaneous abortions..."

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What's your point?

I thought you didn't believe in GOD.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeht

I would like for you to cite a SINGLE CASE where an embryo was removed from the biological mother and implanted into a surrogate host ....... you need to get yourself some education in both basic biology and embryology because you are obviously clueless ...... citation please??

[ekajeht]

@CatholicCoatHanger says="single case.....citation please??"

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You're behind the times .

In 1983 Dr.John Buster performed the first recorded sucessful embryo transfer from one human to another at the UCLA School of Medicine.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeht

so the embryo never implanted in the original host? In other words it was harvested prior to implantation of the blastocyst ? a little less ambiguity please bible boy....

[ekajeht]

@CatholicCoatHanger Do you want me to write you a book?

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@CatholicCoatHanger

the embryo never implanted, as in a high percentage of cases where it simply passes through the reproductive tract. Otherwise, 25% of all pregnancies terminate in spontaneous abortion (aka "miscarriage") prior to 12th week gestational age. Seems your deity is the greatest "abortionist" of them all. Must be terrible to live with such conflict.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

and to further elucidate .... in IVF cases where embryos are harvested, only the most "healthy" or viable embryos are selected by clinicians, the rest are simply discarded as medical waste.

[cici260]

are you kidding me? this video only shows that abortion shouldnt even be happening!

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@cici260

perhaps, but perhaps live births and term pregnancy shouldn't occur either since it has a higher mortality rate then safe, legal medical abortions. Point well taken though

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@cici260

If you are correct then why are there so many millions of spontaneous abortions? Far more, in FACT, than all medical abortions. How does your religion resolve this fact? Could your religious views and perspective be flawed?

[ekajeht]

Are we to feel sorry when a murderer dies while commiting a murder?

If these evil bitchs wasn't in the middle of murdering their own flesh and blood they wouldn't have died!

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeh Call abortion wrong or say you disagree with the law, but when you call it murder, you make crazy people feel entitled to pick up a gun.

If you want to participate in domestic terrorism and incite the more unstable individuals among you to murder living, breathing members of society then continue to use and participate in hyperbolic rhetoric.

[ekajeht]

@CatholicCoatHanger You talk of terrorism!

It is the pro-abortion terrorists that are guilty of the murder of innocent lives.

You don't like the word murder , but you have no problem condoning the murder of an innocent life.

And until abortion is outlawed I will cal it for what it is.

Abortion= the taking of an innocent life= MURDER

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@ekajeht

Abortion, and the freedom to make reproductive choices, will never be overturned in the law, at least not in domocracies where people can exercise these freedons. I would suggest that you consider a different preocupation.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@CatholicCoatHanger

ibid



[budgiefly1]

God bless you, and thank you for this moving reminder of why abortion must remain legal. Women's lives matter.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@budgiefly1

thank you for you're support

[LastUnicornEver]

It is particularly disheartening and melancholy when I think about these women because there is no sadder way to exit this world than as the killer of a baby.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@LastUnicornEver

to me it's even sadder to know that some of these desperate women left living, breathing children without a mother. Perhaps some of these women were the only parent that these children had in their lives.

[Lottarandomness]

This video was so shocking, the picture of Geraldine and everything :( I think abortion is acceptable if the parent's don't want a baby and/or can't raise them. Rape victims and young teens should definitely have the option of having an abortion, a safe one that is.

[MMGJ10]

I believe abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest or a woman's life actually being in danger. But in other cases, too bad, grow up, actions have consequences. And if your stupid enough to try to kill a baby inside you in some "back alley," then you deserve what you got. Besides, if these women would have just taken it in the ass instead, i wouldn't be commenting on this at 1 in the morning...

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@MMGJ10

"taking it in the ass instead" .... oh yeah, gotta love those christian family values. Embryos aren't babies genius boy. But ... thank you for doing your part to end legal and safe medical abortions in the free world. Let's save the little embyos ...

[MMGJ10]

@CatholicCoatHanger Who said i was Christian? And fetuses have brain activity and a heartbeat.... Which is one more thing than i can say for you...

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@MMGJ10

Well you're wrong again because you are misinformed by prolife websites. Fetuses are not capable of feeling pain and are not be able to feel pain until the well into the third trimester.  At this point in development, spontaneous movements and twitches occur as muscles, the brainstem and other neural pathways begin to form. As you know, if you prick someones finger the response comes from the PNS not via the cognitive pathways of the brain. So you are wrong. No surprises there.

[MMGJ10]

@CatholicCoatHanger The point is an embryo is a baby. If it wasn't a baby, then when you had one inside you, you wouldn't be pregnant, you wouldn't be "with child." It is a human life, at its earliest stages. This you can't deny. You know how i know it's alive? Because you have to kill it to get rid of it. Tell me, what would be wrong with having abortion illegal except in cases of rape, molestation or a womans life actually being in danger?

[LashByLash69]

@MMGJ10 an embryo isn't a baby, that's why it's called an embryo.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@MMGJ10

so in the eyes of a deity what's the difference between the conceptus who is the product of rape or incest or just happens to be in the womb of a mother with a life threatening perinatal disease and the conceptus conceived as an act of love??

why should one be terminated and the other survive?

[longlivetheking58]

Boohoo. I've seen a mother bleed to death on the delivery table after giving birth to her child. I mourned her death, do you? Or are women who died because they made bad decisions the only ones you mourn?

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@longlivetheking58

my mother almost bled to death and give last rights when after she delivered me, her first child. BUT if you wish to place women in situations where desperation forces them into making decisions where there lives are in danger then join me in bring back the days of the aseptic back alley abortion. praise jesus, stop legal abortion services today

[longlivetheking58]

@MMGJ10 heehee, I agree.

[SockPuppet1001]

This is Stupid. Ummm how about "gee we have too many kids already honey, so lets take birth control or some precautions".....No excuse no excuse. sorry. I dont buy this stupid video. These women died because they made poor choices in life.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@SockPuppet1001

I'm happy that we are in agreement..... thank you for your support.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@SockPuppet1001

these women died because they were desperate. Perhaps they were the sole provider in the family with children at home. This was what led them to the back alley abortionist ....desperation

[ElectricShark]

@SockPuppet1001,

Did you even watch the video?

These women died in the 1920's and 40's! You do realize that birth control was not readily available to them! And most of the time, these women were taught from an early age that they had to submit to their husbands. Back in those days, husbands would force sex on their wives if they refused.

Read the book "Worst Of Times".

I guarantee you'll see things from a different perspective.

[canadianskye1964]

@SockPuppet1001 these women died from abortion be birth control was legal. duh!

[vibrant151]

@canadianskye1964

"these women died from abortion(s) be(fore) birth control was legal. duh!"

Rung-O smarty pants! It's AFTER abortions was made ILLEGAL in many states, and BEFORE the Supreme Court Ruling on Roe V wade

[canadianskye1964]

@vibrant151 ding dong back at you! women did die before legal abortion read some books. you're statement is so ridiculous i wonder if you are on drugs. BACKWARDS!

watch the movie "if the walls could talk" about abortion. AND READ PRO-CHOICE BOOKS TO OPEN YOU MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!

[znikacz]

@SockPuppet1001 You're an idiot. First read, then write.

[2000yrCatholic]

You can't justify murdering innocent human lives. REPENT!

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@2000yrCatholic

You can't justify fucking kids up the ass by the clerics of a 2000 year old criminal enterprise. You should be ashamed, but you are not you pathological piece of shit.

[CatholicCoatHanger]

@2000yrCatholic

when you equate legal, medical abortion with murder, it tends to incite the more unstable individuals among your group to use violence to shore up their religious beliefs and actually commit murder of living, breathing productive members of our society. grow up, and get an education.