hey, galoon, or is that goon? Your yankee arrogance is duly noted. Let us stay with 'just the facts, ma'am.' Can you please educate me on the Morrill Tariff? Let us deal with the facts or is that out of your league? good luck
Listen to the filth comming form the woman who is calling the guy with the flag bad. She tells me that I would want anything top do with her world either. The answer is seperation.
I respect this man for exercising his rights and his heritage im am 16 and the mojority of my generation doesnt care about history or government all they know to do is watch reality tv shows. Even thow i guess you can call me a Yankee for living in Indiana i respect the Confederate battle flag becuase i think it symblolizes the appression of the Federal Government and how americans stood up for what they believed in and were proud of it..thats all i have to say
Suprized to see a black man hold one great flag and talk about the heritage of the flag and the confederacy. I am glad to see this man thanks of it as heritage and not racism, unlike that black girl and all u Yankee pussies, long live the great south, and great Dixie
It would be ironic if SC seceded and prospered, they have Charleston as a main port of commerce. If one State raised up and showed they will not follow the US government with Republicans or Democrats. The experiment didn't work.....start over.
you can have your yankee tyranny; just remain up there and keep worhshipping the gods of columbia. Just leave me and my country (Mississippi ) alone; I am working for secession of Mississippi as hard as I can.
You can have your flag as well. With that said, I have not disparaged your flag or the graves of your ancestors. I would be obliged if you would remember it.
"Yankee tyranny" has helped and continues to help rebuild your state after Katrina. "Yankee tyranny" shelled out over $830 MILLION DOLLARS to the state of Mississippi last year. "Yankee tyranny" has brought thousands of jobs to the state of Mississippi. "Yankee tyranny" protects the state of Mississippi with its military.
Oh yes almighty savoirs yankee tyrants; Please accept our gracious thanks for your wonderful salvation and self righteou s ness. How shall we thank you and your wonderful a lincoln. Then you can shove it up your arse. Just leave us Mississippians alone and you all can continue to worship the lincoln shrine.
@pmcclaren1 By all means, take Mississippi out of the Union--if there's one thing this country needs, it's comic relief. An independent Republic of Mississippi would be hilarious. You have no major cities. Your state is last in every category except casino income, which secession would probably put a dent in. Your only other source of income besides cotton (and you have a lot of competition here) would be taxing residents whose annual per capita income is $19,500 (51st in the nation). (cont)
@pmcclaren1 (con't) The real fun starts when the Mississippi river floods in your state and/or you get a hurricane and you have to beg the Federal government or other states and countries for funds and help to deal with the damage. Mississippi can't get out of poverty as it is; imagine what would happen when your state has to foot the bill for everything from highway maintenance to healthcare with slot machines, which you'd then have to pay import duties on.
@pmcclaren1 And what currency would any "foreigners" be bringing into the casinos at Vicksburg and Tunica after you secede? Yep, you guessed it, U.S. dollars, which would be converted into a new Mississippi "dollar" that would trade below the money that comes with "Monopoly."
The U.S.S. Wanderer is the last documented ship to bring a cargo of slaves from Africa to the United States (on November 28, 1858). Stories of subsequent mass landings of slaves have been told, but are in dispute.When the Wanderer reached Jekyll Island, Georgia from Africa, approximately 409 of the enslaved Africans had survived.
So as I understand the Southern Confederate States did fight both for slavery and States Rights but the individual citizens of the south fought for their own reasons the two above being some of them. If anyone else has some sourced information that they can provide links to along with their own oppinions that conflict with, support, or shed new light on this subject I would much appreciate seeing them.
Then instead of fight a war that had not been permitted by other officials within the Federal Gov. against states belonging to their own country they sided with the states they were told to war on and thus brought up their pledge to fight for a country to protect states rights of indepence from having to follow rulings of the Federal Gov which Lincoln did not understand...
As in all cases of history it is a mixed bag. As I understand it the first of the Southern states firstly being SC did secede from the Union to protect its citizens rights to own slaves which it did at the time have a Constitutional right to do so. The later Northen most states of the south then seceded after Lincoln told them to form volunteer armies to invade and suppress the what Lincoln saw as a rebellion in the deep south...
No, he's not insane, he's just in it for the money and 'fame,' if you want to call it that.
Secession led to the war and secession was over slavery.
To be precise, the cause of secession was the free states' refusal to "deliver up" escaped slaves as per The Fugitive Slave Laws. The South loved slavery and became pissed when the North refused to aid them, so they left.
Slave-Owning Senator Toombs on 1861-11-13 (stepping down from the senate to join this Racial Dominating, Horrid State):
"They declare their purpose to war against slavery until there shall not be a slave in America, and until the African is elevated to a social and political equality with the white man."
Only being against an invasion(which is not their motive) is WAY different than waving and defending a fascist flag.
Good luck spinning this into 'it had nothing to do with slavery'.
There is no doubt that slavery is a factor, lets not mistake that, and yet by quoting a man who represented what was, even in the South at the time, a minority viewpoint, then you really must be desperate.
Slavery merely fueled what was started the moment Alexander Hamilton was shot by Aaron Burr in 1803, a war between Federalism and anti-Federalist ideals. Slavery had nothing to do with morality, but rather political power.
Actually yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them including diary entries from my own Civil War ancestor, but that would probably not sway you in any way though would it? I know a closed mind when I see one.
At any rate, there were Southern slave owners who said the existence of slavery was at stake, just as there were also abolitionists who said the opposite, though I seem to remember it took Lincoln two years to issue the Emancipation Proclamation.
"yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them"
Any time you are ready...quote ANY southerner that said during secession they were seceding over anything other than chattel slavery...I have already quoted two, you zero...
"not sway you in any way though would it?"
No, it would.
"I know a closed mind when I see one."
I have given two quotes affirming my point, you have given ZERO quotes affirming your 'point'. Someone here is closed-minded...and it is not me...
How about the majority of those Southern men who served in the Confederate army who neither owned slaves nor much of anything else other than maybe a farm, and if they were lucky a plot of land (more often than not for some landowner).
Oh and lets not forget Robert E. Lee, a man who hated slavery and spoke prior to the war that it was an evil upon both the slave and its master.
As for who is closed-minded....well sir (or is it madam?) I for one do not share the same exact view of the Confederate flag as a member of the KKK and further, I have spent nearly a lifetime confronting those who do misuse the battle flag as well as those who condemn it...frankly the latter share more in common with a white supremacist that honorable Southerner men and women, such as the good Southern man who is subject of this video.
You can talk about the invasion--instead of the secession period--all that you want; you can equivocate all that you want. One thing is clear at this point, you can not quote ONE southerner during secession that said they were seceding over anything other than chattel slavery.
If you want to learn something, instead of promoting unsupported positions with a belligerent refusal to show evidence, read Jeffrey Rogers Hummel's book on the conflict.
I could quote many of them that said they were seceding over things INCLUDING slavery...but again you miss the point. Slavery had nothing whatsoever to do with the morality of the institution to either side (even among abolitionists themselves), it had more to do with political power. One group denied political power to the other, claiming a morality they did not themselves believe in and used it as a focal point to unfairly tax and deny representation to one group of people.
When I first wrote "Good luck spinning this into 'it had nothing to do with slavery'", you responded "Very well, then allow me to do exactly that." This did not happen, so I asked for quotes again, and you said "yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them". Of course, you did not, so NOW your position is changing.
Instead of "exactly" proving it hade nothing to do with slavery, you say "I could quote many of them that said they were seceding over things INCLUDING slavery". Well, whenever you are ready do quote ANY southerner during secession saying they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel slavery, I will throw out another. Here is the VP of the confederacy saying not only that chattel slavery IS the issue of secession, but that the tariff is NOT!
"[...] the Tariff. Well, let us look at that for a moment. About the time I commenced noticing public matters, this question was agitating the country almost as fearfully as the Slave question now is."
first off, lincoln said that if he could win the war without freeing one slave, he would have. second, it was not about slavery, that is just a northerners way of blaming the south because they have no other reason. every southerner knows that it was over states rights. even furthermore, who gives a flying fuck if it was about slavery, which it wasnt. slaves came over under american and british flags, not a single confederate flag or ship.the confederates didnt want any more.
When I first wrote "Good luck spinning this into 'it had nothing to do with slavery'", you responded "Very well, then allow me to do exactly that." This did not happen, so I asked for quotes again, and you said "yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them". Of course, you did not, so NOW your position is changing.
Well randy, I was not aware I was obliged to respond or that this was a personal issue between us...besides, I believe that boyscot775 gave your one too, and I don't see you responding to him.
I do believe slavery was the focal point, among other issues...your point is that it was a moral one where the South was on the side of evil. The fact is that aside from abolitionists the issue of slavery had more to do with political power rather than anything moral.
LOL Don't read too much into things smiley...my position has never changed, as I stated slavery was not considered a moral issue by either side, merely as an excuse to fight over far bigger and more long-ranging issues.
The average Confederate soldier (who the flag was designed by and for) had no stake in the institution (at least 70% of them were no slaveowners themselves).
exactly, and ther were black slave owners too. the south expected slavery to fade away just like it had in the north. they were completely fine with that.and most of the people that owned only a few slaves worked in the fields with them. i had over ten ancestors that fought for the confederacy and none of them owned slave, so to say it was over slavery is stupid.
"slavery was not considered a moral issue by either side"
Chattel slavery was the main cause of secession. You can not provide any quotes to the contrary, which proves my point.
Alexander Stephens, 1861-3-21:
"African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. [...] This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
If you want to get out of denial and actually learn something, go read Hummel.
Alexander Stephens was not made Vice President of the Confederacy by popular vote of the people, both he and Jeff Davis were appointed by the provisional congress.
Also Stephens represented a small, vocal minority much like the abolitionists in the North who, prior to the Emancipation Proclamation, declared the war a crusade against slavery even though the Lincoln administration said the first and foremost goal was the preservation of the Union.
Alexander Stephens, Confederate Vice President, 1861-3-21:
"African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. [...] This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
Stephens said that according to you March 21, 1861...the seven slave states that seceded did so by February of 1861. You stated to quote one that did PRIOR to pre-invasion to secession....F.t Sumter itself was an invasion.
"You stated to quote one that did PRIOR to pre-invasion to secession....F.t Sumter itself was an invasion."
The invasion of Ft. Sumter was April 12-13. This quote was more than 20 days BEFORE the invasion of Ft. Sumter.
Nice try, but you failed.
Anytime you are ready, go ahead and quote ANY southerner during the first wave of secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement.
Huh oh I'm sorry I thought you were being serious.
I of course am still waiting for you to give me someone OTHER than Stephens (who was never elected to office, and whom Jefferson Davis personally did not like).
Oh and FYI, the ATTACK on Ft. Sumter was no invasion. Invasion means putting boots on the ground...the Confederates did not occupy the fort until AFTER it was surrendered, so technically that was no invasion.
lol. You say "Can you quote any that said they WERE seceding over ONLY chattel slavery? Can you?"
Then I DO, and you say, "give me someone OTHER than Stephens".
YOU are giving ME guidlines on QUOTES I HAVE, that I can use? When you have ZERO quotes ALTOGETHER?
Texas Declaration on the Causes of Secession, 1861-2-2:
They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow
their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."
Go ahead now and give me quotes of southerners during the pre-invasion first wave of secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement.
Nice try but not an actual quote from a person though is it?
You could quote all seven ordinances of secession and I will concede they speak of slavery as the cause of secession...but that does not mean cause of the war itself.
And I have conceded the point that the Southern States seceded because of preconceived interference of slavery. However, when the North offered preservation of Slavery through the passage of the Corwin Amendment they declined to return...hence slavery cannot of been the only reason they left.
"I have conceded the point that the Southern States seceded because of preconceived interference of slavery."
Then you concede my point.
"Corwin Amendment they declined to return"
They wanted the expansion of chattel enslavement. The North did not want competition with "Free White Labor"; and Lincoln's only position in regard chattel enslavement was to keep it away from the "homes of free white people."
They wanted enslavement extension, so they rejected Corwin.
the south's leaders knew that slavery would eventually fade out like it did in the north, and they were fine with it. plus no slave ever came over under the confederate flag, all american and british flags. the south didnt want anymore slaves.
they were already in the u.s. idiot. plus they werent turned into slaves they were prisoners. and it's no worse than what sherman did to the south on his march. for the hundreth frickin time it wasnt over slavery!!!! It was states rights (common sense).
"for the hundreth frickin time it wasnt over slavery!!!! It was states rights (common sense)."
1. 'states rights' is an action, not a philosophy.
2. Not ONE southerner during the first wave of secession said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement.
If you do not agree, quote ANY southerner during pre-invasion secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement(p.s. there are none, but go ahead and try).
i hadover 20 ancestors from just one county that fought for the confederacy, and none of them owned slaves. and only 7% of southerners owned slaves, why would all of the south fight for 7% of the populations personal issues?
You seem to be confusing the first wave of secession and Lincoln's Invasion. Why did SC, then Mississippi, then Florida, then Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas secede?
Well, SC was fairly clear in their declaration of the causes of secession they issued immediately after secession:
"an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, [...] the non-
slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property
established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open
establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have
encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection. [...] all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and
purposes are hostile to slavery. [...] On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that [...] a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States."
Those who argue "Heritage not Hate" really have no idea about their presumed "history".
It's as if I took Imperial Japan's flag and then claimed it stood for the Justin Bieber fan club. Sure you could do it, but you'd be entirely deficient in your knowledge or a committed liar to overlook the history.
@qwertypoiu4321 I think you are being clever and disingenous. The heart of the issue of states rights were exactly that, yes the slavery question was a prominent factor and I dont know how you could make an arguement pro or con for secession without touching that subject. That said if you read for example the words of Robert Toombs when secession was debated in Georgia you can better understand that yes slavery was an issue but not THE issue.
@lewisclark1800 Like that's a good thing so they can pit one against the other, distroying society. Enough of your United Nations double speak agenda. Also welcome to the North American Union Human Farm. Here is your Diploma and your bording pass for your journey on the USS Ship of Fools. Your Socialist instructors have tought you well.
it wasnt completely over slavery because sherman said that he counted his men above blacks and did not believe in black equality. and how about you read "the politically incorrect guide to the civil war" and "the south was right".
The victors write history books, and the dominant accounts of the Civil War reflect the victorious perspective: misguided Southerners sought to destroy democratic governance and preserve slavery.Charles Adams, best known for his books on taxation, takes aim at this history. His analysis of what more accurately would be called the War of Northern Aggression is a bit different: With the passing of time, all wars seem pointless.
The American Civil War certainly looks that way at this time in history.Heroes begin to look like fools.The glorious dead,the young soldiers who suffered and died,need to be pitied,and the leaders who led them to early graves need to be lynched.In that war,as in so many wars,the wrong people died.His most famous argument is that the federal tariff was more responsible than slavery for the war.He details,most Northern states shared the racism of the South.
Furthermore, your sort love to point to Alexander Stephen, a man who represented a vocal minority and who was VICE President only because he was appointed by others rather than any majority vote on the part of the Southern people...a man that Jefferson Davis himself despised and who like all other Vice Presidents was never given any real political power.
Further, if slavery were the reason for the war, explain to me if you would all the Union soldiers from the so-called Border States who were slaveowners...not to mention those pro-Unionists in North Carolina's mountains who were likewise slaveowners for the most part themselves? Surely they were not fighting a war to end an institution they had such financial stake in with little to no suggestion of compensation?
I trust you have some Yankee apologist answer ready for these?
Furthermore, I don't suppose you will tell me the source of that particular quote...considering that on Nov 11, 1861 the Union leaders had not made any statement about slavery in America...oh except for that pesky Corwin Amendment that they tried to pass to "appease" the slave owners in the South...you know the one that would have been the first 13th Amendment to the Constitution keeping slavery around perpetually, and which Lincoln himself endorsed.
I had the pleasure to meet H.K. and march with him at a parade in Richmond a few years back. He is a fine man and a man who knows his Southern history. God Bless Him for the fine work he has done over the years trying to educate the ignorant about the Confederacy.
i commend this gentleman. hats off to him. i think it's great to see people stand up for what they beleive in and have pride in something. which i think is something that many people these days forget about or lack in. some people see the flag as racist, others see it as pride, heritage and history. myself, i see the latter. it's refreshing to see someone who is proud of their state/country, heritage and history and show it, regardless of who is going to try and shut him down.
This is not a conservative vs liberal conflict. Both understand patriotism as loving your government (as long as you are in power) Industrialization threatened the south during the industrial revolution, with industries taking advantage of the hardworking southern man. Now those industries are corporations and are taking advantage of their workers. And conservatives higher ups love them. Liberal higher ups love banks that foreclose our southern homes. Both parties are un-southern
@Hilldebrand The thing is, the banks corporations are trampling on the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" on both sides of the Mississippi and the 36-30. They victimize the little guy up north too. At this point it's not conservative vs liberal, or even north vs south. It's Americans vs Wall Street.
@Saeyabor Aye, It is the one of the many problems with the capitalist system benefiting the bourgeois and exploiting the workers who are diminished to selling their labor power because the bourgeoisie has stolen the means of production and distribution from them.
@Hilldebrand Not even the bourgeois. I consider the "working class" part of the "middle class." The so-called "upper class," which America was founded on doing away with, are trying to turn us all into feudal peasants.
@Saeyabor My definition of Bourgeois isn't exactly the dictionary definition I use it as meaning the rich. But yes you are correct. The working class I concider a class in its own. but yes sometimes the workers are sometimes in the so called middle class but not wealthy. It is these corporations with profit over people destroying not only our country but destroying humanity and morality and replacing it with greed. I think the countries of the world should belong to the workers.
This man reminds me of an Old Testamant prophet against the tyranny of the Federal government. As a white man born in NC, I must say, rock on brother. :)
The truth conflict and what caused the civil war was money. Name a war that was not about money. Slavery was the norths scapegoat. What happen was the north saw the south was becoming industialized and the north could not farm due to the climate, so if the slaves were "free" they could force the south to take a step back and take away there man power to industrialize slavery and take all of the norths jobs. why would the north free a race and then segregate blacks if they wanted them to be equal
This 'Black man' says it how it is. He kicks liberal ass. He had balls and knowledge. (Dangerous combination) Wasn't he the leader of the NCAAP for awhile? (in his state) Love this guy!!
what's the reps and dems got to do with anything i said?
I mentioned liberals. But that only refers to today's P.C. generation.
I am well aware of the political map of 1861 too. So what are you calling me an idiot about?
I know you ofcourse understand the switch of the blue and red states during Reagan's terms. and that lincoln's republican party has NO resemblance to todays. Same goes for the Democrats. So are you an idiot, maybe? Maybe just misunderstood my comment?
Because Liberals are Democrats, and Democrats are Liberals. They bot sit on the left. The bottom line is, if you think for one minute that the Republicans in office or the Democrats give a damn about you, you're outta your mind. Look at how fast Obama got help to Haiti. Now look at how fast Bush got help to the south after Katrina. The federal government hates the south.
@PrinceLordChris where the hell did you get all of that from what i said? All i said was, "he kicks liberal ass." you seem to have imagined the rest. I will not reply to anything else you say unless we meet at Disney world, where your imagination may have some tangibility. LONG LIVE DIXIE!!
Aww now thedoorboy, I know you might not have that much self esteem, but you don't have to go advertising the fact to everyone else. If that's how you see yourself, then so be it, but please don't go sharing that little tidbit.
Any man willing to wear the hallowed gray uniform and carry the sacred battle flag of the Dixie across the Deep South deserves my respect.
Brother HK has done more for defending our heritage and history than any 20 men I could ever name. He is a hero and a man of honor of the highest integrity.
I personally have had the honor of meeting this man right at that very same monument and shaking his hand.
the two guys above have there mind right they understand the civil war was not about slavery do you realize that 10 percent of white people owned 90 percent of the slaves it was about sending our cotton and our product abroad at the north would not have been able to make it period thats how it wouldve been
Can you handle it? "No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance or CONFEDERATION with any other state...." Everyone present signed their name to that document--the Constitution of the United States. Is the South really that stupid as a unit? I don't want to believe that, & I trust the American people to sort this mess out. Does it bother you at all that you're being manipulated by nasty people?
You may not be aware of this but groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis actually WANT the NAACP and others to remove and continue to attack the Confederate flag.
Its their dream to finally be able to claim it fully as their own, but the only things holding that back are good Southern people who honor their ancestors and who fly their flags as symbols of their own Southern land.
The Southern Cross is as precious to us as the US Flag is to our veterans.
The KKK and others like them laugh at people who want to remove the Confederate flag and condemn if officially as a symbol of hate. You play right into their hands.
That makes you their accomplices after the fact in my book.
If you're trying to suggest I was brainwashed into religion, I'm afraid that's not the case. I didn't go to church as a child; my family isn't religious; I haven't been to church in probably 15 years. So who introduced me to the bible? Myself. Atheists are very amusing in that they assume authority over the biblical literature without having studied it. Since you're making assumptions about me, I'll assume you're an ungroundedly hubristic atheist who obviously knows shit about the bible.
But still postures himself as an authority on the subject. If you're so painfully idiotic that you deny the history contained in the bible (which can be considered apart from a belief in god), then perhaps you should keep quiet rather than flaunting your ignorance in public. Give me a hallelujah and go read dawkins in the corner with the other naughty children.
@darthroden thank you for seeing it my way i mean i believe that people who say it is a racist symbol are stupid just looking at the negatives kkk and nazis and not looking at the posotives southern pride
People who look at Southern heritage through the blinders of racism do not see the positive aspects of what it represents.
As for the KKK and Neo-Fascists, well they would be overjoyed if the flag was removed and condemned by society totally as a racist symbol so they could formally adopt it. And that more than anything is why I fight anyone who condemns it or any other Southern symbol.
The consequences of failure to do so are too damn high.
2-4 - redundant and senseless...interesting that by your definition, NAZI pride is totally legit...after all, there were good aspects of their society, and the german people made great sacrifices during that period
its clear that while i am speaking from a socially scientific standpoint, you are just saying what your (probably abusive) mommy and daddy drilled into your head when you were just a baby klansman
AHA! I knew that you would show your true racist colors, but I am surprised it took less time than I thought.
So tell me TheRyanBrooke, are you an actual member of the Neo-Fascist group or simply 1 of its "useful idiots"?
Care to explain to me the so-called "good aspects" of nazi society that you mentioned? Would those be the practice of Eugenics? The euthanasia of the elderly, retarded, and crippled? The total control of all aspects of life by a fascist government?
how about the military might that forced the united states to enter the war?
if you're actually stupid enough to think that there was NOTHING good about the EVIL nazi society, then you might as well kill yourself now, because you're fucking pathetic (oh wait, you're too scared to do even that, because your imaginary friend said youd go to hell if you did hahah)
you have still not
1-accounted for the images of slaves on confederate money
2-provided ANY positive aspects of the confederacy
First off the burden of proof is on the prosecution, I not obliged to justify my beliefs to you, the burden is on you to refute mine and Mr. HK Edgertons viewpoints.
Okay then Hitler Jr, kindly explain to me the supposed "Good" in Nazi society if you can....please enlighten us
yes, because the fact that there were SLAVES on confederate money means nothing, right?
there weren't pictures of burning jews on nazi money, so, in actuality, the confederate flag is a more vibrant symbol of unabashed bigotry than the swastika
Wow Ryan, you are all over the ballpark on that one.
Lets make it perfectly clear then. In 1865 when the Confederate Congress authorized the enlistments of Slaves as soldiers on condition of freedom, that was defacto Emancipation.
If the Confederate flag ever stood for slavery, then that act alone ended it.
Beyond that, you are still talking four years as opposed to 87 years under the Stars and Stripes, and hundreds of years under the British Union Jack.
child...you have yet to state ANY reason for the confederate flag's existence OTHER than slavery, so your comparisons to real flags don't hold up...and your failure to acknowledge the fact tha SLAVES WERE ON CONFEDERATE MONEY is verry telling
First off, which Confederate money do you refer to exactly? There was no standard currency for the Confederacy and for the most part the different states had their own money. True fact, look it up.
Secondly, the battle flag was designed to distinguish between friends and foes in battle during the war. That was its purpose, and it was designed and carried by confederate soldiers of all colors and creeds.
Once again you fail TheRyanBrooke, your racist bastard.
the stars and bars, idiot...the united states was formed for reasons that had NOTHING to do with slavery...can you say the same for the confederacy??? if so, you're a liar (or retard)
Atleast this man knows the history of the south. It's funny when people think the north was all high and mighty and the south were all racist. Even Lincoln has been quoted saying he was okay with slaves.
This is one confused dum nigga who wants some limelight. Blacks where brought here as slaves and enslaved under both flags, so where is he coming from? Im 19 and black, the rebel flag doesn't offend me one bit just the person whose holding it and only if hes racist If they had won we would be at it with new discoveries of blacks serving on the yankee side, it makes no since. When im old and barley capable of speaking the english language like he i hope i don't resort to dum shit like this.
Umm... he's the racist? You called him a nigger. Oh, right -- that word's not a symbol or racism anymore, but the confederate flag is. You're the one whose confused. This man speaks eloquently of a south distinct from slavery; a heritage that he is proud of. I'm from south carolina and sympathize with the man entirely. I also think it will be a shame if they take the flag down from the capitol. I live down the road from Middleton Plantation -- suppose they should burn that one down too.
are there any black people defending the confederate flag, or is everyone defending the american swastika an amercian nazi?
so, the civil war wasnt about slavery (to the north) just as WWII wasn't about the holocaust...i love how you xenophobes try to pretend that jefferson davis & co. WERENT white supremacists
the swastika was ALSO a symbol of peace and love, until it was MISUSED, which is why americans with brains respect the result of the civil war and DONT fly the american swastika
Indeed there are plenty of black Southerners who honor the Confederate flag and, like brother HK, stands against the white supremacist filth who have for too long misrepresented our shared symbol of Southern identity to go along with their perversion of Christianity.
As to your other point, nobody says that jefferson davis and co. weren't products of their time...then again people 150 years ago (even Abe Lincoln and co.) were more racist that those born today. Does that make them nazis to you?
You know RyanBrooke, I have read what you posted here and elsewhere, and I feel nothing but sadness for you.
What must it be like to live with so much self-hatred that you must place people you never tried to understand into a stereotypical category rather than look at the individual and judge their hearts by their words and deeds.
Go ahead and call my ancestors flag an "American Swastika" and by extension both me and brother HK "American nazis" if it feeds your sad, pathetic ego.
my ego?? haha look who's defensive over someone stating simple facts
many intelligent black americans view the confederate flag as the american swastika, as it represents a "nation" predicated upon bigotry (much like nazi germany)...and, just like nazi germany, that "nation" was destroyed (embarassed, really)
if your ancestors were ACTUAL nazis, it would not be wrong to say that they were nazis, nor would it be implying that YOU are in any way a nazi
Actually the comparison between the CSA and Nazi Germany is not only historically inaccurate, its also plainly wrong on many levels.
First off the CSA was founded on the principals of State Sovereignty as the purest form of Constitutional Republic. That the individual states had more power and the federal government a weaker one.
Nazi Germany was founded on the notion of National Socialism, where THE STATE was all powerful and controlled virtually every aspect of life in the name of The People
In short the Confederates would have found the sort of ideals the Nazi's represented repugnant and horrifying.
As such to compare the Southern Cross to the Nazi Swastika is the same as comparing the Christian Cross to the Pentagram.
You'll understand under that reasoning why I fail to take such comments seriously.
I know that many well meaning black Americans see it that way, and it saddens me, and I work to see that someday that viewpoint changes, though reason and proper education.
Hold on, are you calling a Christian Cross a brutal symbol of oppression?!
Forgive me, I thought I was about to have an intelligent, intellectual debate with someone who can offer conflicting information. Yet I end up with someone who has thus far done nothing but spout off ignorant talking points.
And the saddest thing is you cant even see your own bigotry yet you feel you have claim to point out what you see as flaws in others.
Oh and FYI I did not call the Pentagram an evil symbol. I do recognize that some Satanic cults have misused the Pagan symbol of love to advance their own sordid views.
The fact that the KKK and the Neo-Fascists likewise misuse the Southern Cross of Dixie in the same way is not lost to me, indeed the parallels only validate what I am saying.
As long as there are people who refuse to allow the flag to become an evil symbol, then hate can never truly claim it.
anyone know anything about the Morrill Tariff? We can deal with facts.
pmcclaren1 2 months ago
hey, galoon, or is that goon? Your yankee arrogance is duly noted. Let us stay with 'just the facts, ma'am.' Can you please educate me on the Morrill Tariff? Let us deal with the facts or is that out of your league? good luck
pmcclaren1 2 months ago
@pmcclaren1 What would you like to discuss regarding the Morrill Tariff? By the way, I'm a Southerner, not a "Yankee."
galoon 1 month ago
Listen to the filth comming form the woman who is calling the guy with the flag bad. She tells me that I would want anything top do with her world either. The answer is seperation.
meetman57 2 months ago
question: charitable giving? what state is number one and what state is number fifty?
pmcclaren1 2 months ago
I'll wave my flag til the day i die.
mudbogger803 3 months ago
This guy makes me glad im from South Carolina and it makes me proud to fly MY confederate flags.
rebulun 4 months ago
This piece of shit symbolize modern negrosambos.
jackthenigger 5 months ago
H.K Edgerton should've sued those people, he's just proud of his heritage. Deo Vindice.
Barry62152 5 months ago
I respect this man for exercising his rights and his heritage im am 16 and the mojority of my generation doesnt care about history or government all they know to do is watch reality tv shows. Even thow i guess you can call me a Yankee for living in Indiana i respect the Confederate battle flag becuase i think it symblolizes the appression of the Federal Government and how americans stood up for what they believed in and were proud of it..thats all i have to say
MrBurniston 8 months ago
where is this happening? I admire this dude...
LOTRlover100 10 months ago
This man know his history. 2% of southerners owned slaves. 70% of slaves were owend by american jews.
securitygaurd81 10 months ago 2
Suprized to see a black man hold one great flag and talk about the heritage of the flag and the confederacy. I am glad to see this man thanks of it as heritage and not racism, unlike that black girl and all u Yankee pussies, long live the great south, and great Dixie
creature691 11 months ago
It would be ironic if SC seceded and prospered, they have Charleston as a main port of commerce. If one State raised up and showed they will not follow the US government with Republicans or Democrats. The experiment didn't work.....start over.
applejacksss 11 months ago
@applejacksss
I second this.
BTW, HK has been a great southern asset for many years now!
Virginialogging 9 months ago
Piss on the rebel flag and the graves of the sons of the confederacy who were traitors to our great United States.
jslikesit 1 year ago
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@jslikesit i wanna whoop your ass bitch those are my ancestors let me go piss on your grave
4545guns 1 year ago
@jslikesit
you can have your yankee tyranny; just remain up there and keep worhshipping the gods of columbia. Just leave me and my country (Mississippi ) alone; I am working for secession of Mississippi as hard as I can.
You can have your flag as well. With that said, I have not disparaged your flag or the graves of your ancestors. I would be obliged if you would remember it.
pmcclaren1 1 year ago
@pmcclaren1
"Yankee tyranny" has helped and continues to help rebuild your state after Katrina. "Yankee tyranny" shelled out over $830 MILLION DOLLARS to the state of Mississippi last year. "Yankee tyranny" has brought thousands of jobs to the state of Mississippi. "Yankee tyranny" protects the state of Mississippi with its military.
quest4lucidity 1 year ago
@quest4lucidity
Oh yes almighty savoirs yankee tyrants; Please accept our gracious thanks for your wonderful salvation and self righteou s ness. How shall we thank you and your wonderful a lincoln. Then you can shove it up your arse. Just leave us Mississippians alone and you all can continue to worship the lincoln shrine.
pmcclaren1 1 year ago
@pmcclaren1 By all means, take Mississippi out of the Union--if there's one thing this country needs, it's comic relief. An independent Republic of Mississippi would be hilarious. You have no major cities. Your state is last in every category except casino income, which secession would probably put a dent in. Your only other source of income besides cotton (and you have a lot of competition here) would be taxing residents whose annual per capita income is $19,500 (51st in the nation). (cont)
galoon 3 months ago
@pmcclaren1 (con't) The real fun starts when the Mississippi river floods in your state and/or you get a hurricane and you have to beg the Federal government or other states and countries for funds and help to deal with the damage. Mississippi can't get out of poverty as it is; imagine what would happen when your state has to foot the bill for everything from highway maintenance to healthcare with slot machines, which you'd then have to pay import duties on.
galoon 3 months ago
@pmcclaren1 And what currency would any "foreigners" be bringing into the casinos at Vicksburg and Tunica after you secede? Yep, you guessed it, U.S. dollars, which would be converted into a new Mississippi "dollar" that would trade below the money that comes with "Monopoly."
galoon 3 months ago
god bless hk
pc1864 1 year ago
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The U.S.S. Wanderer is the last documented ship to bring a cargo of slaves from Africa to the United States (on November 28, 1858). Stories of subsequent mass landings of slaves have been told, but are in dispute.When the Wanderer reached Jekyll Island, Georgia from Africa, approximately 409 of the enslaved Africans had survived.
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Trent33424 1 year ago
HK kicks ASSSSSSSS!!!!
bluegrassreb 1 year ago
So as I understand the Southern Confederate States did fight both for slavery and States Rights but the individual citizens of the south fought for their own reasons the two above being some of them. If anyone else has some sourced information that they can provide links to along with their own oppinions that conflict with, support, or shed new light on this subject I would much appreciate seeing them.
JKJ1900 1 year ago
Then instead of fight a war that had not been permitted by other officials within the Federal Gov. against states belonging to their own country they sided with the states they were told to war on and thus brought up their pledge to fight for a country to protect states rights of indepence from having to follow rulings of the Federal Gov which Lincoln did not understand...
JKJ1900 1 year ago
As in all cases of history it is a mixed bag. As I understand it the first of the Southern states firstly being SC did secede from the Union to protect its citizens rights to own slaves which it did at the time have a Constitutional right to do so. The later Northen most states of the south then seceded after Lincoln told them to form volunteer armies to invade and suppress the what Lincoln saw as a rebellion in the deep south...
JKJ1900 1 year ago
No, he's not insane, he's just in it for the money and 'fame,' if you want to call it that.
Secession led to the war and secession was over slavery.
To be precise, the cause of secession was the free states' refusal to "deliver up" escaped slaves as per The Fugitive Slave Laws. The South loved slavery and became pissed when the North refused to aid them, so they left.
RebelGuy95 1 year ago
I love Brother H.K. Edgerton!
He keeps the Leftists and the white supremacist enemies of our Southern heritage on the run!
darthroden 1 year ago
This flag represents State rights.
r2d2r5d42 1 year ago
Slave-Owning Senator Toombs on 1861-11-13 (stepping down from the senate to join this Racial Dominating, Horrid State):
"They declare their purpose to war against slavery until there shall not be a slave in America, and until the African is elevated to a social and political equality with the white man."
Only being against an invasion(which is not their motive) is WAY different than waving and defending a fascist flag.
Good luck spinning this into 'it had nothing to do with slavery'.
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Very well, then allow me to do exactly that.
There is no doubt that slavery is a factor, lets not mistake that, and yet by quoting a man who represented what was, even in the South at the time, a minority viewpoint, then you really must be desperate.
Slavery merely fueled what was started the moment Alexander Hamilton was shot by Aaron Burr in 1803, a war between Federalism and anti-Federalist ideals. Slavery had nothing to do with morality, but rather political power.
darthroden 1 year ago
"There is no doubt that slavery is a factor,"
Yes, the main factor.
1860-11-3 Charleston Mercury
"The issue before the country is the extinction of slavery. [...] The existence of slavery is at stake."
"I don't suppose you will tell me the source of that particular quote"
civilwarcausesDOTorgFOWARDSLASHtoombsDOThtm
Can you quote ONE southerner that said during secession they were seceding over anything other than chattel slavery?
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Actually yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them including diary entries from my own Civil War ancestor, but that would probably not sway you in any way though would it? I know a closed mind when I see one.
At any rate, there were Southern slave owners who said the existence of slavery was at stake, just as there were also abolitionists who said the opposite, though I seem to remember it took Lincoln two years to issue the Emancipation Proclamation.
darthroden 1 year ago
"yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them"
Any time you are ready...quote ANY southerner that said during secession they were seceding over anything other than chattel slavery...I have already quoted two, you zero...
"not sway you in any way though would it?"
No, it would.
"I know a closed mind when I see one."
I have given two quotes affirming my point, you have given ZERO quotes affirming your 'point'. Someone here is closed-minded...and it is not me...
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
How about the majority of those Southern men who served in the Confederate army who neither owned slaves nor much of anything else other than maybe a farm, and if they were lucky a plot of land (more often than not for some landowner).
Oh and lets not forget Robert E. Lee, a man who hated slavery and spoke prior to the war that it was an evil upon both the slave and its master.
darthroden 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
As for who is closed-minded....well sir (or is it madam?) I for one do not share the same exact view of the Confederate flag as a member of the KKK and further, I have spent nearly a lifetime confronting those who do misuse the battle flag as well as those who condemn it...frankly the latter share more in common with a white supremacist that honorable Southerner men and women, such as the good Southern man who is subject of this video.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
You can talk about the invasion--instead of the secession period--all that you want; you can equivocate all that you want. One thing is clear at this point, you can not quote ONE southerner during secession that said they were seceding over anything other than chattel slavery.
If you want to learn something, instead of promoting unsupported positions with a belligerent refusal to show evidence, read Jeffrey Rogers Hummel's book on the conflict.
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
I could quote many of them that said they were seceding over things INCLUDING slavery...but again you miss the point. Slavery had nothing whatsoever to do with the morality of the institution to either side (even among abolitionists themselves), it had more to do with political power. One group denied political power to the other, claiming a morality they did not themselves believe in and used it as a focal point to unfairly tax and deny representation to one group of people.
darthroden 1 year ago
When I first wrote "Good luck spinning this into 'it had nothing to do with slavery'", you responded "Very well, then allow me to do exactly that." This did not happen, so I asked for quotes again, and you said "yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them". Of course, you did not, so NOW your position is changing.
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randyguitarman13 1 year ago
Instead of "exactly" proving it hade nothing to do with slavery, you say "I could quote many of them that said they were seceding over things INCLUDING slavery". Well, whenever you are ready do quote ANY southerner during secession saying they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel slavery, I will throw out another. Here is the VP of the confederacy saying not only that chattel slavery IS the issue of secession, but that the tariff is NOT!
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
Alexander Stephens 1860-11-14:
"[...] the Tariff. Well, let us look at that for a moment. About the time I commenced noticing public matters, this question was agitating the country almost as fearfully as the Slave question now is."
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
first off, lincoln said that if he could win the war without freeing one slave, he would have. second, it was not about slavery, that is just a northerners way of blaming the south because they have no other reason. every southerner knows that it was over states rights. even furthermore, who gives a flying fuck if it was about slavery, which it wasnt. slaves came over under american and british flags, not a single confederate flag or ship.the confederates didnt want any more.
boyscout775 1 year ago
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@boyscout775
1860-11-3 Charleston Mercury
"The issue before the country is the extinction of slavery. [...] The existence of slavery is at stake."
Can you quote ANY southerner during secession saying they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel slavery?
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
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@boyscout775
1860-11-3 Charleston Mercury
"The issue before the country is the extinction of slavery. [...] The existence of slavery is at stake."
Can you quote ANY southerner during secession saying they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel slavery?
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
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@darthroden
When I first wrote "Good luck spinning this into 'it had nothing to do with slavery'", you responded "Very well, then allow me to do exactly that." This did not happen, so I asked for quotes again, and you said "yes I could...I could quote you close to two thousand of them". Of course, you did not, so NOW your position is changing.
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randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@darthroden
No Response?
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Well randy, I was not aware I was obliged to respond or that this was a personal issue between us...besides, I believe that boyscot775 gave your one too, and I don't see you responding to him.
I do believe slavery was the focal point, among other issues...your point is that it was a moral one where the South was on the side of evil. The fact is that aside from abolitionists the issue of slavery had more to do with political power rather than anything moral.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
"I do believe slavery was the focal point"
Then you have now completely changed your position over to mine.
1861-1, Mississippi declaration of the Causes of Secession:
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
LOL Don't read too much into things smiley...my position has never changed, as I stated slavery was not considered a moral issue by either side, merely as an excuse to fight over far bigger and more long-ranging issues.
The average Confederate soldier (who the flag was designed by and for) had no stake in the institution (at least 70% of them were no slaveowners themselves).
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
exactly, and ther were black slave owners too. the south expected slavery to fade away just like it had in the north. they were completely fine with that.and most of the people that owned only a few slaves worked in the fields with them. i had over ten ancestors that fought for the confederacy and none of them owned slave, so to say it was over slavery is stupid.
boyscout775 1 year ago
@darthroden
"slavery was not considered a moral issue by either side"
Chattel slavery was the main cause of secession. You can not provide any quotes to the contrary, which proves my point.
Alexander Stephens, 1861-3-21:
"African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. [...] This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
If you want to get out of denial and actually learn something, go read Hummel.
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Alexander Stephens was not made Vice President of the Confederacy by popular vote of the people, both he and Jeff Davis were appointed by the provisional congress.
Also Stephens represented a small, vocal minority much like the abolitionists in the North who, prior to the Emancipation Proclamation, declared the war a crusade against slavery even though the Lincoln administration said the first and foremost goal was the preservation of the Union.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
Can you quote ANY southerner during pre-invasion secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement?
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Can you quote any that said they WERE seceding over ONLY chattel slavery? Can you?
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
Alexander Stephens, Confederate Vice President, 1861-3-21:
"African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. [...] This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
Yes I can. You can not.
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Uh....no you failed.
Stephens said that according to you March 21, 1861...the seven slave states that seceded did so by February of 1861. You stated to quote one that did PRIOR to pre-invasion to secession....F.t Sumter itself was an invasion.
So you failed.
Nice try, pal. Next time try and stay in context.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
"You stated to quote one that did PRIOR to pre-invasion to secession....F.t Sumter itself was an invasion."
The invasion of Ft. Sumter was April 12-13. This quote was more than 20 days BEFORE the invasion of Ft. Sumter.
Nice try, but you failed.
Anytime you are ready, go ahead and quote ANY southerner during the first wave of secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement.
randyguitarman13 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
(Snore)
Huh oh I'm sorry I thought you were being serious.
I of course am still waiting for you to give me someone OTHER than Stephens (who was never elected to office, and whom Jefferson Davis personally did not like).
Oh and FYI, the ATTACK on Ft. Sumter was no invasion. Invasion means putting boots on the ground...the Confederates did not occupy the fort until AFTER it was surrendered, so technically that was no invasion.
darthroden 1 year ago
lol. You say "Can you quote any that said they WERE seceding over ONLY chattel slavery? Can you?"
Then I DO, and you say, "give me someone OTHER than Stephens".
YOU are giving ME guidlines on QUOTES I HAVE, that I can use? When you have ZERO quotes ALTOGETHER?
Texas Declaration on the Causes of Secession, 1861-2-2:
They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow
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qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."
Go ahead now and give me quotes of southerners during the pre-invasion first wave of secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
Nice try but not an actual quote from a person though is it?
You could quote all seven ordinances of secession and I will concede they speak of slavery as the cause of secession...but that does not mean cause of the war itself.
darthroden 1 year ago
It has become clear you have zero quotes to legitimize your point. If you do, please give them. This is getting old.
"Nice try"
It was not a 'try', it was a quote.
"not an actual quote from a person"
It was the official declaration of the State of Texas! Saying it was chattel enslavement!
"You could quote all seven ordinances of secession"
There are only 5.
"does not mean cause of the war itself."
We are not talking about the Invasion, we are talking about secession.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
And I have conceded the point that the Southern States seceded because of preconceived interference of slavery. However, when the North offered preservation of Slavery through the passage of the Corwin Amendment they declined to return...hence slavery cannot of been the only reason they left.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
"I have conceded the point that the Southern States seceded because of preconceived interference of slavery."
Then you concede my point.
"Corwin Amendment they declined to return"
They wanted the expansion of chattel enslavement. The North did not want competition with "Free White Labor"; and Lincoln's only position in regard chattel enslavement was to keep it away from the "homes of free white people."
They wanted enslavement extension, so they rejected Corwin.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
the south's leaders knew that slavery would eventually fade out like it did in the north, and they were fine with it. plus no slave ever came over under the confederate flag, all american and british flags. the south didnt want anymore slaves.
boyscout775 1 year ago
@boyscout775
"plus no slave ever came over under the confederate flag,"
Tell that to all of the freemen horridly taken into enslavement by the thug confederates during the CSA invasion of pennsylvania.
Can you quote ANY southerner during the first wave of secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement?
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
they were already in the u.s. idiot. plus they werent turned into slaves they were prisoners. and it's no worse than what sherman did to the south on his march. for the hundreth frickin time it wasnt over slavery!!!! It was states rights (common sense).
boyscout775 1 year ago
@boyscout775
"for the hundreth frickin time it wasnt over slavery!!!! It was states rights (common sense)."
1. 'states rights' is an action, not a philosophy.
2. Not ONE southerner during the first wave of secession said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement.
If you do not agree, quote ANY southerner during pre-invasion secession that said they were seceding over ANYTHING other than chattel enslavement(p.s. there are none, but go ahead and try).
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
i hadover 20 ancestors from just one county that fought for the confederacy, and none of them owned slaves. and only 7% of southerners owned slaves, why would all of the south fight for 7% of the populations personal issues?
boyscout775 1 year ago
@boyscout775
You seem to be confusing the first wave of secession and Lincoln's Invasion. Why did SC, then Mississippi, then Florida, then Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas secede?
Well, SC was fairly clear in their declaration of the causes of secession they issued immediately after secession:
"an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, [...] the non-
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qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago 2
slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property
established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open
establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have
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qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection. [...] all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and
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qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
purposes are hostile to slavery. [...] On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that [...] a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States."
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
100% correct
Those who argue "Heritage not Hate" really have no idea about their presumed "history".
It's as if I took Imperial Japan's flag and then claimed it stood for the Justin Bieber fan club. Sure you could do it, but you'd be entirely deficient in your knowledge or a committed liar to overlook the history.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800
lol, yes.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 I think you are being clever and disingenous. The heart of the issue of states rights were exactly that, yes the slavery question was a prominent factor and I dont know how you could make an arguement pro or con for secession without touching that subject. That said if you read for example the words of Robert Toombs when secession was debated in Georgia you can better understand that yes slavery was an issue but not THE issue.
bodinfortemp 1 year ago 2
@bodinfortemp Quote one southerner during the first wave of secession that said they were seceding over anything other than chattel enslavement.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 Like that's a good thing so they can pit one against the other, distroying society. Enough of your United Nations double speak agenda. Also welcome to the North American Union Human Farm. Here is your Diploma and your bording pass for your journey on the USS Ship of Fools. Your Socialist instructors have tought you well.
Trent33424 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321
The War was not cause by secession itself but rather the invasion of the Confederate States of America.
darthroden 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Randy I suggest you quit attacking us with your little straw-man arguments.
darthroden 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
it wasnt completely over slavery because sherman said that he counted his men above blacks and did not believe in black equality. and how about you read "the politically incorrect guide to the civil war" and "the south was right".
boyscout775 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
The victors write history books, and the dominant accounts of the Civil War reflect the victorious perspective: misguided Southerners sought to destroy democratic governance and preserve slavery.Charles Adams, best known for his books on taxation, takes aim at this history. His analysis of what more accurately would be called the War of Northern Aggression is a bit different: With the passing of time, all wars seem pointless.
boyscout775 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
The American Civil War certainly looks that way at this time in history.Heroes begin to look like fools.The glorious dead,the young soldiers who suffered and died,need to be pitied,and the leaders who led them to early graves need to be lynched.In that war,as in so many wars,the wrong people died.His most famous argument is that the federal tariff was more responsible than slavery for the war.He details,most Northern states shared the racism of the South.
boyscout775 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Furthermore, your sort love to point to Alexander Stephen, a man who represented a vocal minority and who was VICE President only because he was appointed by others rather than any majority vote on the part of the Southern people...a man that Jefferson Davis himself despised and who like all other Vice Presidents was never given any real political power.
You need to do better than him.
darthroden 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Further, if slavery were the reason for the war, explain to me if you would all the Union soldiers from the so-called Border States who were slaveowners...not to mention those pro-Unionists in North Carolina's mountains who were likewise slaveowners for the most part themselves? Surely they were not fighting a war to end an institution they had such financial stake in with little to no suggestion of compensation?
I trust you have some Yankee apologist answer ready for these?
darthroden 1 year ago
@randyguitarman13
Furthermore, I don't suppose you will tell me the source of that particular quote...considering that on Nov 11, 1861 the Union leaders had not made any statement about slavery in America...oh except for that pesky Corwin Amendment that they tried to pass to "appease" the slave owners in the South...you know the one that would have been the first 13th Amendment to the Constitution keeping slavery around perpetually, and which Lincoln himself endorsed.
darthroden 1 year ago
i would really like to meet MR. H.K Edgerton, hes so correct bout th confederate flag, dumb asses like tht bitch needs her ass whooped
1861johnny65 1 year ago
This man is a true gentleman.
TheBoberton 1 year ago 2
Does anyone see the dog at 0:19??
minhtung91 1 year ago
I had the pleasure to meet H.K. and march with him at a parade in Richmond a few years back. He is a fine man and a man who knows his Southern history. God Bless Him for the fine work he has done over the years trying to educate the ignorant about the Confederacy.
csrebel 1 year ago 3
If anyone meets this man shake his hand for me. He is a hero.
Frankcastle522 1 year ago
Tell 'em HK!
Araido1968 1 year ago
god bless this man
such class even when the ignorant call him names hes proof the southern culture hasnt been completely been destroyed
edgehead31593 1 year ago
this vid just made my day. Southern Pride!
xSargentAlx 1 year ago
i commend this gentleman. hats off to him. i think it's great to see people stand up for what they beleive in and have pride in something. which i think is something that many people these days forget about or lack in. some people see the flag as racist, others see it as pride, heritage and history. myself, i see the latter. it's refreshing to see someone who is proud of their state/country, heritage and history and show it, regardless of who is going to try and shut him down.
stevethedingaling 1 year ago
Proof that the Unions are the most racist and ignorant.
Long live the Dixies and The Carlistas.
DEO VINDICE my Friend.
tribalwar69 1 year ago
this guy is awsome
DeerCountry2012 1 year ago
This is not a conservative vs liberal conflict. Both understand patriotism as loving your government (as long as you are in power) Industrialization threatened the south during the industrial revolution, with industries taking advantage of the hardworking southern man. Now those industries are corporations and are taking advantage of their workers. And conservatives higher ups love them. Liberal higher ups love banks that foreclose our southern homes. Both parties are un-southern
Hilldebrand 1 year ago
@Hilldebrand The thing is, the banks corporations are trampling on the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" on both sides of the Mississippi and the 36-30. They victimize the little guy up north too. At this point it's not conservative vs liberal, or even north vs south. It's Americans vs Wall Street.
Saeyabor 1 year ago
@Saeyabor Aye, It is the one of the many problems with the capitalist system benefiting the bourgeois and exploiting the workers who are diminished to selling their labor power because the bourgeoisie has stolen the means of production and distribution from them.
Hilldebrand 1 year ago
@Hilldebrand Not even the bourgeois. I consider the "working class" part of the "middle class." The so-called "upper class," which America was founded on doing away with, are trying to turn us all into feudal peasants.
Saeyabor 1 year ago
@Saeyabor My definition of Bourgeois isn't exactly the dictionary definition I use it as meaning the rich. But yes you are correct. The working class I concider a class in its own. but yes sometimes the workers are sometimes in the so called middle class but not wealthy. It is these corporations with profit over people destroying not only our country but destroying humanity and morality and replacing it with greed. I think the countries of the world should belong to the workers.
Hilldebrand 1 year ago
This man reminds me of an Old Testamant prophet against the tyranny of the Federal government. As a white man born in NC, I must say, rock on brother. :)
Forysan 1 year ago
this man makes me PROUD to be from the South!
bt804d 1 year ago 20
@bt804d amen!!!
stronghorse1000 8 months ago
@bt804d amen!!! no one better than H.K.Edgerton
stronghorse1000 8 months ago
I salute the confederate flag, and im english !!
MaidenFan24568 1 year ago 3
HK does what most of those ignorant people that harrass him wont do. He exorcises his freedom of speech and exprssion.
JoezVendetta 2 years ago 6
HK never give up there are many that love you and love what you are doing, god bless you and protect you always.
JoezVendetta 2 years ago 3
God bless this man.
XxOneLeggedDogxX 2 years ago 11
The truth conflict and what caused the civil war was money. Name a war that was not about money. Slavery was the norths scapegoat. What happen was the north saw the south was becoming industialized and the north could not farm due to the climate, so if the slaves were "free" they could force the south to take a step back and take away there man power to industrialize slavery and take all of the norths jobs. why would the north free a race and then segregate blacks if they wanted them to be equal
russellzipperer 2 years ago
This 'Black man' says it how it is. He kicks liberal ass. He had balls and knowledge. (Dangerous combination) Wasn't he the leader of the NCAAP for awhile? (in his state) Love this guy!!
To hell with the yanks!!
and to hell with racists(any color)
bluegrassreb 2 years ago
The south was invaded by the Republican party and the Democrats were responsible for creating THE Confederacy. You're an idiot.
PrinceLordChris 2 years ago
what's the reps and dems got to do with anything i said?
I mentioned liberals. But that only refers to today's P.C. generation.
I am well aware of the political map of 1861 too. So what are you calling me an idiot about?
I know you ofcourse understand the switch of the blue and red states during Reagan's terms. and that lincoln's republican party has NO resemblance to todays. Same goes for the Democrats. So are you an idiot, maybe? Maybe just misunderstood my comment?
Whichever, peace.
bluegrassreb 2 years ago
Because Liberals are Democrats, and Democrats are Liberals. They bot sit on the left. The bottom line is, if you think for one minute that the Republicans in office or the Democrats give a damn about you, you're outta your mind. Look at how fast Obama got help to Haiti. Now look at how fast Bush got help to the south after Katrina. The federal government hates the south.
PrinceLordChris 2 years ago
@PrinceLordChris where the hell did you get all of that from what i said? All i said was, "he kicks liberal ass." you seem to have imagined the rest. I will not reply to anything else you say unless we meet at Disney world, where your imagination may have some tangibility. LONG LIVE DIXIE!!
bluegrassreb 2 years ago
Hats off to this man. HK is the man!
XxxWinterWarsxxX 2 years ago 16
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1 lost nigger....
thedoorboy 2 years ago
Aww now thedoorboy, I know you might not have that much self esteem, but you don't have to go advertising the fact to everyone else. If that's how you see yourself, then so be it, but please don't go sharing that little tidbit.
I hope you find your way someday.
darthroden 2 years ago
This guy has serious backbone and a wealth of true historical knowledge.
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago 5
Hes my hero!
ThePatrioticPotatos 2 years ago 2
VIVA AZTLAN UNIDO
Gringos INVADERS go back to Europe
This is belongs to El PUEBLO
Fuck The USA - Islam is with us.
SanchoLoraPendejo1 2 years ago
bahhahahahhahahahah
EzratheDog 2 years ago
SHUT UP you racist LOL
SanchoLoraPendejo1 2 years ago
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buzzclick500 2 years ago
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buzzclick500 2 years ago
I have alot of respect for this man
johnnyREBELwallace 2 years ago 2
As do I johnnyREBEL.
Any man willing to wear the hallowed gray uniform and carry the sacred battle flag of the Dixie across the Deep South deserves my respect.
Brother HK has done more for defending our heritage and history than any 20 men I could ever name. He is a hero and a man of honor of the highest integrity.
I personally have had the honor of meeting this man right at that very same monument and shaking his hand.
God Bless Brother HK Edgerton and Dixie!
darthroden 2 years ago
the two guys above have there mind right they understand the civil war was not about slavery do you realize that 10 percent of white people owned 90 percent of the slaves it was about sending our cotton and our product abroad at the north would not have been able to make it period thats how it wouldve been
blondy2476 2 years ago
Can you handle it? "No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance or CONFEDERATION with any other state...." Everyone present signed their name to that document--the Constitution of the United States. Is the South really that stupid as a unit? I don't want to believe that, & I trust the American people to sort this mess out. Does it bother you at all that you're being manipulated by nasty people?
buzzclick500 2 years ago
I would ask you the same question buzzclick.
You may not be aware of this but groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis actually WANT the NAACP and others to remove and continue to attack the Confederate flag.
Its their dream to finally be able to claim it fully as their own, but the only things holding that back are good Southern people who honor their ancestors and who fly their flags as symbols of their own Southern land.
The Southern Cross is as precious to us as the US Flag is to our veterans.
darthroden 2 years ago
The KKK and others like them laugh at people who want to remove the Confederate flag and condemn if officially as a symbol of hate. You play right into their hands.
That makes you their accomplices after the fact in my book.
darthroden 2 years ago
I am referring to someone else not to brother H.K. who I support wholeheartedly!
darthroden 2 years ago
IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT QUESTION...
who introduced you to the bible, ezra?
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
If you're trying to suggest I was brainwashed into religion, I'm afraid that's not the case. I didn't go to church as a child; my family isn't religious; I haven't been to church in probably 15 years. So who introduced me to the bible? Myself. Atheists are very amusing in that they assume authority over the biblical literature without having studied it. Since you're making assumptions about me, I'll assume you're an ungroundedly hubristic atheist who obviously knows shit about the bible.
EzratheDog 2 years ago
But still postures himself as an authority on the subject. If you're so painfully idiotic that you deny the history contained in the bible (which can be considered apart from a belief in god), then perhaps you should keep quiet rather than flaunting your ignorance in public. Give me a hallelujah and go read dawkins in the corner with the other naughty children.
EzratheDog 2 years ago
87 years slavery was under the stars and stripes and 4 years it was under the stars and bars now you tell me which one represents slavery
Rustinwilson 2 years ago 5
Exactly Rustinwilson!
The Southern Cross, the Stars and Bars, and any other Confederate banner is no more a symbol of slavery than the US flag....indeed even less of one.
darthroden 2 years ago
@darthroden thank you for seeing it my way i mean i believe that people who say it is a racist symbol are stupid just looking at the negatives kkk and nazis and not looking at the posotives southern pride
Rustinwilson 2 years ago 2
Oh they do indeed, that is the problem.
People who look at Southern heritage through the blinders of racism do not see the positive aspects of what it represents.
As for the KKK and Neo-Fascists, well they would be overjoyed if the flag was removed and condemned by society totally as a racist symbol so they could formally adopt it. And that more than anything is why I fight anyone who condemns it or any other Southern symbol.
The consequences of failure to do so are too damn high.
darthroden 2 years ago
define southern pride, without making any reference ot racism or slavery...
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
Southern Pride (definition)
(1) Respect for or a feeling of intense personal pleasure of being born in God's Country.
(2) Honoring of the respectful aspects of being born Southern.
(3) Remembering the good aspects of Southern history and remembering the sacrifices of Southern people who shaped it.
(4) Personal pride in Southern identity.
That clear enough for you darling?
darthroden 2 years ago
1 - translation = being intellectually immature
2-4 - redundant and senseless...interesting that by your definition, NAZI pride is totally legit...after all, there were good aspects of their society, and the german people made great sacrifices during that period
its clear that while i am speaking from a socially scientific standpoint, you are just saying what your (probably abusive) mommy and daddy drilled into your head when you were just a baby klansman
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
AHA! I knew that you would show your true racist colors, but I am surprised it took less time than I thought.
So tell me TheRyanBrooke, are you an actual member of the Neo-Fascist group or simply 1 of its "useful idiots"?
Care to explain to me the so-called "good aspects" of nazi society that you mentioned? Would those be the practice of Eugenics? The euthanasia of the elderly, retarded, and crippled? The total control of all aspects of life by a fascist government?
Oh yeah, Utopia (sarcasm)
darthroden 2 years ago
how about the military might that forced the united states to enter the war?
if you're actually stupid enough to think that there was NOTHING good about the EVIL nazi society, then you might as well kill yourself now, because you're fucking pathetic (oh wait, you're too scared to do even that, because your imaginary friend said youd go to hell if you did hahah)
you have still not
1-accounted for the images of slaves on confederate money
2-provided ANY positive aspects of the confederacy
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
First off the burden of proof is on the prosecution, I not obliged to justify my beliefs to you, the burden is on you to refute mine and Mr. HK Edgertons viewpoints.
Okay then Hitler Jr, kindly explain to me the supposed "Good" in Nazi society if you can....please enlighten us
darthroden 2 years ago
yes, because the fact that there were SLAVES on confederate money means nothing, right?
there weren't pictures of burning jews on nazi money, so, in actuality, the confederate flag is a more vibrant symbol of unabashed bigotry than the swastika
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
Wow Ryan, you are all over the ballpark on that one.
Lets make it perfectly clear then. In 1865 when the Confederate Congress authorized the enlistments of Slaves as soldiers on condition of freedom, that was defacto Emancipation.
If the Confederate flag ever stood for slavery, then that act alone ended it.
Beyond that, you are still talking four years as opposed to 87 years under the Stars and Stripes, and hundreds of years under the British Union Jack.
Nice try sweethart!
darthroden 2 years ago
child...you have yet to state ANY reason for the confederate flag's existence OTHER than slavery, so your comparisons to real flags don't hold up...and your failure to acknowledge the fact tha SLAVES WERE ON CONFEDERATE MONEY is verry telling
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
First off, which Confederate money do you refer to exactly? There was no standard currency for the Confederacy and for the most part the different states had their own money. True fact, look it up.
Secondly, the battle flag was designed to distinguish between friends and foes in battle during the war. That was its purpose, and it was designed and carried by confederate soldiers of all colors and creeds.
Once again you fail TheRyanBrooke, your racist bastard.
darthroden 2 years ago
the stars and bars, idiot...the united states was formed for reasons that had NOTHING to do with slavery...can you say the same for the confederacy??? if so, you're a liar (or retard)
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
I like what he said, " no african ever saw this flag when the ships came to get them " hmmmmm
faalkon5 2 years ago 3
And hes absolutely right, no Southern Cross ever flew over a slave ship.
darthroden 2 years ago 3
Atleast this man knows the history of the south. It's funny when people think the north was all high and mighty and the south were all racist. Even Lincoln has been quoted saying he was okay with slaves.
Aggiesgigem 2 years ago 3
This is one confused dum nigga who wants some limelight. Blacks where brought here as slaves and enslaved under both flags, so where is he coming from? Im 19 and black, the rebel flag doesn't offend me one bit just the person whose holding it and only if hes racist If they had won we would be at it with new discoveries of blacks serving on the yankee side, it makes no since. When im old and barley capable of speaking the english language like he i hope i don't resort to dum shit like this.
lance62 2 years ago
"""enslaved under both flags"""
Sir !! thats is just a lie
gopher0 2 years ago
Umm... he's the racist? You called him a nigger. Oh, right -- that word's not a symbol or racism anymore, but the confederate flag is. You're the one whose confused. This man speaks eloquently of a south distinct from slavery; a heritage that he is proud of. I'm from south carolina and sympathize with the man entirely. I also think it will be a shame if they take the flag down from the capitol. I live down the road from Middleton Plantation -- suppose they should burn that one down too.
EzratheDog 2 years ago
are there any black people defending the confederate flag, or is everyone defending the american swastika an amercian nazi?
so, the civil war wasnt about slavery (to the north) just as WWII wasn't about the holocaust...i love how you xenophobes try to pretend that jefferson davis & co. WERENT white supremacists
the swastika was ALSO a symbol of peace and love, until it was MISUSED, which is why americans with brains respect the result of the civil war and DONT fly the american swastika
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
Indeed there are plenty of black Southerners who honor the Confederate flag and, like brother HK, stands against the white supremacist filth who have for too long misrepresented our shared symbol of Southern identity to go along with their perversion of Christianity.
As to your other point, nobody says that jefferson davis and co. weren't products of their time...then again people 150 years ago (even Abe Lincoln and co.) were more racist that those born today. Does that make them nazis to you?
darthroden 2 years ago
You know RyanBrooke, I have read what you posted here and elsewhere, and I feel nothing but sadness for you.
What must it be like to live with so much self-hatred that you must place people you never tried to understand into a stereotypical category rather than look at the individual and judge their hearts by their words and deeds.
Go ahead and call my ancestors flag an "American Swastika" and by extension both me and brother HK "American nazis" if it feeds your sad, pathetic ego.
darthroden 2 years ago
my ego?? haha look who's defensive over someone stating simple facts
many intelligent black americans view the confederate flag as the american swastika, as it represents a "nation" predicated upon bigotry (much like nazi germany)...and, just like nazi germany, that "nation" was destroyed (embarassed, really)
if your ancestors were ACTUAL nazis, it would not be wrong to say that they were nazis, nor would it be implying that YOU are in any way a nazi
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
Actually the comparison between the CSA and Nazi Germany is not only historically inaccurate, its also plainly wrong on many levels.
First off the CSA was founded on the principals of State Sovereignty as the purest form of Constitutional Republic. That the individual states had more power and the federal government a weaker one.
Nazi Germany was founded on the notion of National Socialism, where THE STATE was all powerful and controlled virtually every aspect of life in the name of The People
darthroden 2 years ago
In short the Confederates would have found the sort of ideals the Nazi's represented repugnant and horrifying.
As such to compare the Southern Cross to the Nazi Swastika is the same as comparing the Christian Cross to the Pentagram.
You'll understand under that reasoning why I fail to take such comments seriously.
I know that many well meaning black Americans see it that way, and it saddens me, and I work to see that someday that viewpoint changes, though reason and proper education.
darthroden 2 years ago
"As such to compare the Southern Cross to the Nazi Swastika is the same as comparing the Christian Cross to the Pentagram. "
this analogy couldnt make less sense. you've got three brutal symbols of oppression and a pagan symbol of love
you want to reeducate black people so they forget about the bigotry of the confederacy? sounds a lot like what holocaus deniers try to do
i understand that youve got a loyalist streak, but realize that you're defending bigotry, plain and simple
TheRyanBrooke 2 years ago
Hold on, are you calling a Christian Cross a brutal symbol of oppression?!
Forgive me, I thought I was about to have an intelligent, intellectual debate with someone who can offer conflicting information. Yet I end up with someone who has thus far done nothing but spout off ignorant talking points.
And the saddest thing is you cant even see your own bigotry yet you feel you have claim to point out what you see as flaws in others.
darthroden 2 years ago
Oh and FYI I did not call the Pentagram an evil symbol. I do recognize that some Satanic cults have misused the Pagan symbol of love to advance their own sordid views.
The fact that the KKK and the Neo-Fascists likewise misuse the Southern Cross of Dixie in the same way is not lost to me, indeed the parallels only validate what I am saying.
As long as there are people who refuse to allow the flag to become an evil symbol, then hate can never truly claim it.
darthroden 2 years ago